WEBVTT - Desperately Devoted to Doug Savant aka Tom Scavo 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:06.320 Hi, Welcome to Desperately Devoted the Ultimate Desperate Housewives rewatch, 0:00:06.440 --> 0:00:10.360 hosted by me, Terry Hatcher, my on screen daughter Andrea Bowen, 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:15.440 and my real life daughter Emerson Tenny. We are so 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:19.079 lucky and blessed this week to have the incredible Doug 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:21.040 Savant here with us telling us. 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.759 To talk about the show and his experience. And thank 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:25.279 you so much for being here with you. 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:27.040 I am thrilled to be here and thrilled to be 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:29.880 back with you ladies, and now with Emerson all grown up. 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:30.600 It's fantastic. 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:34.240 It is so amazing. You look amazing. I just every 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:37.880 time we see somebody from the show, or even when 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:43.200 we're just watching the episodes now, memories just come flooding back, 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:47.080 and I don't know, maybe it's it's time, but I 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:51.040 just find everyone was so brilliant and genius and just 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:54.440 I just have so much love. It's just I know 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:57.160 I'm on zoom, but I feel like I'm in the room. 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:00.200 I want to just grab you by the cheek. It's 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:02.720 so great to see you, and that's. 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:03.760 Great to see so welcome. 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:04.880 It's great to see you. 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:07.240 It's great to be seen by you and with you 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:11.240 and be with you, but yeah, I as you've gone back, 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:13.440 like are what are your feelings? 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.400 It's been really fun because Emerson's basically never seen the 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.160 show before, and we haven't seen it in such a 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:21.160 long time that, like I said, you know, I find 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:22.840 myself going, oh my god, I forgot that. 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:24.240 I forgot that, I forgot that. 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:28.040 You know. But one of the things that was standing 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:30.560 out to us very early on, and I know, I'm 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:33.080 so excited to talk to you about this is you know, 0:01:33.240 --> 0:01:37.560 there was so much obviously hype around the show and 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:42.119 around the idea of housewives, which mostly focused on the women, 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:45.840 and when you step away from it for as long 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:49.800 as we have and we go back, I feel by 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:54.080 the third episode, the men, I mean, I think I 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:56.320 came in to discuss our podcast and I was like, 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:59.560 you guys, aren't the men just like jumping off the 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:00.480 screen at you? 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:01.000 Like, I. 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:08.200 Have so much kind of curiosity and compassion for the 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:14.359 character development and the individual differences uniqueness between these men. 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:18.640 And also I have so many questions about what it 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.000 was like to try to play it. But let me 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:24.720 just start there that in hindsight, I feel like the 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:28.120 men are landing in a very strong way. Do you 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:28.959 guys feel that way. 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:34.079 Oh yes, I's second that it's so exciting and nice 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:37.079 to have you here because we have been discussing amongst 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:39.519 the three of us just how strong the husband's point 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:43.520 of view comes in, starting around episode three particularly, but 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:45.280 continuing on through the first season. 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:47.600 I mean, how did you can we just even go 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:49.800 to like how did you even get the show? Like 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:50.720 did you know Mark? 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:51.720 Or how what was? 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:52.359 Really? 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:52.799 Go back? 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:55.120 Okay, really go back? So I went into a no, 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:59.680 just a standard audition. It was another audition, and the 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.040 first thing that Mark Cherry said to me jumps out 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.560 of his seat and he says, I wrote the first 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:06.000 thing that your wife was ever in. 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:07.800 So my. 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:13.680 Wife, when she, you know, was starting launching her career, 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:16.560 she was part of a touring company of the Young 0:03:16.680 --> 0:03:19.920 Americans and which Mark was, and so Mark had written 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:22.840 like this sort of musical thing, and Laura was there 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:24.799 and so she sang and she did this this thing 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.760 with Mark. So that was That's how Mark introduced himself 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:28.040 to me. 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.440 Welcome. That's an ingratiating way to meet something. 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:35.960 Yeah, And then of course I auditioned. It was Charlie McDougal, 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:44.880 the our pilot director, And the interesting thing about the 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:48.040 process for me was I was coming into the pilot 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:51.880 as a guest. I was not a contracted a series regular. 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:57.400 I was a guest star. So I got the Desperate 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:00.920 Housewives pilot as a guest and it was the only 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:06.120 husband that didn't have a serious regular role, and in fact, 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:10.200 I had to pass on a on a CSI there 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:12.920 were at the same time, and I thought, I'm gonna 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:16.680 I'm gonna go with this Desperate Housewives thing, and and 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:20.000 then magically the show goes, you know. And I thought 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:24.719 from reading the pilot that it was outstanding that I 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:27.440 saw something in it, and I hope that we all 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:31.400 did that, that there was a duality that there was. 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:35.520 There was seriousness there, but there was this also farcical 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:38.240 side or a soap side that people could engage with 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:42.320 it on many levels. And having come from Melrose's place 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:46.080 many years before, that was something that I noted in 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.719 that audience too. There was people who are in on 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:50.880 the joke and then people who just wanted to simply 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.919 be in for the soap opera aspects of it. But 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:58.800 then we got picked up and that's when the real 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:02.440 drama started. Because the studio called he said, we want 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:04.920 we want some want to come back as a guest. 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:06.839 We wanted you to come back as a guest for 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:09.160 for six episodes the first we were picked up, where 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:11.080 we picked up for nine or thirteen. 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:13.680 I forget, I don't really I might have. 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:15.520 Season. 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:18.000 Well we didn't get the backward I know that, I know, 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:18.640 I know that. 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:22.000 And so they said and we said, okay, well, you 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:24.240 know great, you know I'm interested in doing the show. 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.000 But they just made it awful. They were we're not 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:30.560 going to pay him another nickel. We said, well, is 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:33.080 there would you maybe be willing to offer some contract. No, 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:35.360 we never do that. Well that's interesting because Nicole at 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:37.760 Sheridan was a guest star on the pilot, but she 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:41.840 was up for the contract, and so I ended up. 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:45.200 They made it so hateful that I ended up passing 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:45.560 on the show. 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:46.680 Oh my god. 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:48.720 And I said, I said, I'll go out and I'll 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:50.960 get six guest stars myself of other shows. 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:51.680 I'm not doing this. 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:53.839 They never said. They never came to me and said, 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:56.440 we think you're great. We just don't have any money. 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:58.240 We don't know if the shows hit yet. We don't 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:00.480 you know, they didn't play any of that they said, 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:02.320 we're not paying him another nickel. 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:03.800 I don't care if we have to reshoot the. 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:07.760 Thing, And I thought wow, And so I thought, wow, 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:09.200 you just go right ahead. 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:11.440 Thanks. Yeah, I know, Terry. 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:14.080 I'm going to brace interrupt for one second, and I'm 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:16.440 going to circle back to something our listeners may have 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.360 picked up on. This is why I wore my own wardrobe. 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:23.279 Probably, yes, we talked about this in the pilot. 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.560 I'm just thinking that all of these things are trickling 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:30.039 down into some sort of like they were not prepared 0:06:30.279 --> 0:06:33.760 for what it actually took to shoot what they wrote, 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:34.600 and we. 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:36.240 Found all these moments where I was like, Mom, isn't 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:38.760 that your shirt? Like didn't I end up borrowing that? 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:41.600 I still have that purse today? And she said, yeah, 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:45.240 they were not prepared to dress five leading women. 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:48.599 Anyways, I'm so sorry to interrupt, but I just know 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:50.160 it's crazy to hear how that. 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:54.120 Yes, so you may not know the also awful, So 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:54.520 go ahead. 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:55.320 You may not know. 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:57.160 The end of the story is Mark Cherry called me 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:00.000 and said, Doug, is it true that you're not doing it? 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:02.520 You're not going to do our show? And I said, Mark, 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:06.240 they made they made it horrible long story short. Mark said, please, 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.760 let's get them out of this. I'll negotiate. I'll negotiate 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:12.600 with you. We don't have any money. We're you know, 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:15.000 we we we love you. We thought you were great 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:17.080 on the pilot. He said, all the nice right things. 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:19.560 And I said, okay, let's you know, can we just 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:22.240 make something more like than more than just like Top 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:25.120 of Show? Like musicians, if they're a really good musician 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:27.239 and they get a studio gig there or an album 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:29.640 they'll get, they'll get double scale or something like just 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:33.360 pay me double scale something, throw me a bone, he goes, 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:35.240 let me go. They said, oh no, no, we never 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:38.200 do that. And I said, okay, So I said, okay, 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:41.120 I tell you what, Mark, I thank you. I appreciate that. 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:42.480 I want to do the show. I'll come in and 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.320 I'll do the first six. And they had some number 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:48.160 on the backside too. I said, I'll do it, and 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:49.960 I'll do it for Top of Show. But you're the 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:52.040 reason you're saying this is because we don't note the 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:54.239 show is a hit yet and we don't have the money. 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:56.160 So if the show is a hit and you go 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.520 a second season, whether you kill tom Off or not 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:01.280 you don't want me on the show. You need to 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:03.920 pay me for the second season. Just if the show's 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:07.840 a hit, I'll go, he said. He said, oh, Mark said, 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:10.760 I can do that. I will definitely do that. He 0:08:10.800 --> 0:08:12.760 called me back and said, oh, they said, we never 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:13.240 do that. 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:17.400 I feel like I hear this all the time from 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:18.000 his studios. 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:18.320 We never. 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:21.640 Mark Cherry then uttered these words to me which made 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.200 me take the job. I give you my word as 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:29.160 a Christian man, if the season goes, you'll be there. 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:36.760 And to his eternal credit, he kept his word. He 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:44.240 Mark Cherry is a fantastic human being who he gave 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:46.720 me the best eight years of my life, my professional life. 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:51.840 I adored this experience. I adored this show. I wouldn't 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:55.560 change it for anything. My trip as you girls were 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:59.160 like blowing up on every magazine cover in the world, 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:06.040 and the studio was lavishing lovely you know tokens of 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:08.400 their affection on you. I was just a guest star 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:13.720 sitting there, like to know, keeping my fingers. Grassed that Mark. 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:17.760 Mark kept his word, and he did then more so 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:19.640 because we had another seven years. 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:22.320 Yeah after that, it's astonishing. I thought people are going 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:26.400 to find that your origin story is so fascinating because 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:27.960 Tom becomes. 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:29.800 Such a staple of the show. 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:33.520 The idea that initially you weren't going to be on 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:35.840 that regularly, you were just kind of coming in occasionally, 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:40.600 and then the risk that might have you not having 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:42.120 been on the show for as long as you were 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:43.760 is just amazing to hear. 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:44.920 I'm so glad. 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.120 I'm so glad that he kept his word too, because 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:49.040 I have to say Tom and Lynnett are my favorite 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:53.160 couple on the show. And I mean, even in all 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:55.120 of the chaos of all of the kids. And we've 0:09:55.160 --> 0:09:57.120 talked a lot about the baby who comes in and 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:59.840 out of the first episodes, we don't see for me 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:04.280 five episodes. But something that we've talked about a lot, 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.800 especially in regards to your performance, is on the page, 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:13.400 Tom could come across as so oblivious to his wife's 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:16.520 struggles and he's gone at work, and you know she's 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:18.920 sort of resentful of him. But you play the character 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:23.719 in such a way that feels so disarmingly charming and 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:28.320 present and kind that even when the actual words Tom 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:31.280 is saying feel like I cannot believe this man is 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:35.440 saying it, there's something believably charming and endearing about it. 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.880 Did you, Can I first acknowledge I never tire of 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:43.200 hearing that, And can. 0:10:43.080 --> 0:10:46.040 I just acknowledge how wonderful it is that my daughter 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:48.679 is such a generous and articulate human. 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:53.240 Yeah, well, it's true. It's really, I mean, it is true. 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:56.160 I am true. Yeah, no, and it is. It is 0:10:56.880 --> 0:11:03.320 true that you really added layers that in some sense, 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:06.120 you know what I mean, just weren't there, you know, 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:12.200 and and and without that, I think I think Lynette's. 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:16.440 Ability to do what she needed to do would have. 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:20.320 Been much harder. I thought some of the choices you 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:25.119 made were incredibly brave because they were you were committed 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:28.960 to the cluelessness in a way that must have felt 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:32.319 very awkward, because I think I said this in one 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:34.640 of our episodes a couple of weeks ago, I said, 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:37.480 there is no way Doug treats his wife like that 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:41.120 like that. You know, I guarantee you, I guarantee you. 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.480 You know that I'm not allowing you what to come 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:45.720 in for a postmark? Yeah? 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:51.600 Yeah, so, I Terry, I thought, I, you know, you 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:54.719 were reticent to say that about Tom's either cluelessness or 0:11:55.440 --> 0:11:58.679 I thank you that was You're being kind. But no, 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:02.840 there was a Tom. What I heard while I was 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:04.880 on the show. In the first I had women come 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:06.600 out to me and say, you are playing my husband. 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:11.560 But because Tom, I believe was a good guy, he 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:13.480 just didn't know what to do. He was he was like, oh, 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:15.520 and then would you tell me? Of course, yeah, of 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:16.120 course I'll do. 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.920 I feel like when I said clueless, I didn't mean idiot. 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:26.360 I meant more like just unaware. Sure as the second Tom, 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:30.679 the second Tom became aware, he tried to do something 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:31.040 about it. 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:33.880 Oh, I wanted to help. Yeah, he was always absolutely 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:34.240 and he. 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:35.520 Came from the place I used to say this and 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:39.560 this happy wife, happy life. That's and there's many there 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:44.600 are many, many, many men who lived this way. And yeah, 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:46.840 so he might not have got it right, you know 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:49.400 on the first take, you know, like what and then 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:51.400 but then he would rise to. 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:53.959 The occasion and you listened, I mean Tom, Tom listened 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:56.520 to his wife when she would say, hey, I actually 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:57.559 need something from you. 0:12:57.679 --> 0:13:00.680 Yeah, and Lynette, Lynette, come on, let's see. Lenette was hardcore. 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:03.600 I mean she you know. That's really what I loved 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:09.960 about the portrayal of this marriage ontellivigionce I thought it 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:14.880 was really a good portrayal of a not perfect marriage, 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.880 but a really good, strong marriage, and that wall things 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:25.960 aren't always perfect. They stayed together early or early early, 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:30.320 they really you know, they really stuck together, and I 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:32.440 think that they had a good I think it was 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:49.240 a good representation of marriage in you know, in the media. 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:49.800 Do you have scenes, I mean, it's long, it's it's 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:52.920 I would imagine maybe you don't remember, because I know, 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:55.640 eight seasons is a long time, and I'm finding myself going, 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:59.000 I don't even remember shooting that, you know, but do 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:02.840 you have scenes that stick out in your brain that 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:06.319 were particularly rewarding or challenging. 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.960 Or humiliating you go, yeah. 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:11.160 Back, and you go, I'm really proud of that. Like 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:14.040 I would use the example of me getting locked out 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:16.400 of the house naked and this sort of like physical 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.880 comedy I did involved in that, as I would look 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.200 at that as like a highlight not just my execution, 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.880 but the opportunity itself that Mark wrote for me to even. 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:30.120 Do that, right, but that really you execute it on 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:32.480 the highest level. You know, somebody can put it on 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.160 the page, as your daughter knows, but bringing it to 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:39.760 life and doing it the physical comedy is next level. 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:42.560 So no that I would say that that is an 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:45.320 iconic image from the show of what you did there 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:52.440 Eva mowing the lawn. There are so many just the 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:55.120 imagery of the show. I think was it season two 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:57.800 when they did the whole Eden thing with the apples 0:14:57.800 --> 0:15:01.600 and the or was that from them that's in the 0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:03.680 opening credits of this Well, I know, I know it's 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:07.840 in the opening credits, but didn't somebody came in, like 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:09.480 a big commercial director and they Oh. 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:17.400 Yeah, David David Chappelle, David Chappelle, David David not La Chappelle, 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:21.320 David Chappelle, David Chappellee. 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:23.320 We're going with that. 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:24.880 Yes, I was right. 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:29.800 I think he did something like very high high fashion 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.720 with apples. But so back to like, are there scenes 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.160 that stand out like great? 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:40.280 Yeah, no, there's okay. You know, I was certainly humiliated 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:43.880 when I had to wear the song you know, a greet. Yeah, 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:45.760 that was like something I didn't want to do. I'm 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:48.640 like in my fortes, I'm like, Mark, nobody wants to 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:55.640 see this, But that's still out there. 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:56.120 That that lives on today. 0:15:57.720 --> 0:15:59.720 He gave you his one question word. 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:06.120 When Curry Graham who's a fantastic actor, played my sort 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:09.000 of my boss, and I was at the advertising in 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:10.760 marketing or the advertising agency. 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:12.600 There was a scene and. 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:17.840 It got caught, but I had to go bobbing for 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:19.800 a donut in the toilet bawl. 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:21.240 Oh my god. 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:24.080 And also he was throwing do you remember there was 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:29.240 a scene in a in a boardroom where he's challenging 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:33.880 me all the time and he was chucking eminem peanut 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:35.480 eminem's at me and I would have to eat them 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:36.000 out of the air. 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:38.280 And we literally shot this. This wasn't c g. 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:41.840 I I mean I was, you know, and I I 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:43.360 don't want to really toot my own home. 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:45.200 It was kind of I was kind of great at 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:47.600 It was kind of a big deal. 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.680 Everybody has to have like tricks in there in their 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:53.440 basket of tricks. That's a good one to have. 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:54.480 It really is. 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:56.800 Yeah, And I of course I remember all of this 0:16:56.840 --> 0:17:00.880 stuff with with Flick in terms of but I think 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:04.720 I was most nervous and I don't know how. I 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.919 don't want to mess up your podcast with a spoiler alert. 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:09.600 So if anybody, oh, that's okay. 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.600 I think when we're we've got we're so happy to 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:14.600 have guests on. We know we're going to go way 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:15.400 out of order. 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:17.560 That's all right, Okay, So way at the end of 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:20.439 the series, when Tom and Lynnette get back together on 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:25.200 the street, that was really uh, that was I wanted 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:27.040 to make sure I didn't screw that up. And I 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:29.480 will say, you know, after all of these years, I 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:31.680 don't I have not gone back and watched the show, 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.960 but I it pops up on YouTube, various scenes and 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:39.760 stuff like that, and I'm I'm vulnerable watch you know, 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:43.520 and and I'm I'm super proud of what I did. 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:48.520 I'm like, should be yeah, you should be three fans 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:50.840 here and a million of more fans out there listening. 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:51.200 I'm sure. 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:56.000 Well, I don't know, but yeah, yeah, I was curious, 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.399 like just a little digging a little bit deeper into 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:04.000 playing Tom, because you know, I think people sometimes don't 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:09.080 know this with series that sometimes the actors don't know 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:13.720 where it's going. So so you get a script and 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:17.480 the most you have is what you've done before in 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.439 another episode, and then what you're looking at now, and 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:24.480 you're not necessarily privy to where it's going. And sometimes 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:28.840 character things that they write for you to do, you 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:33.560 think I wouldn't do that, like based on what happened 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:37.720 before or I that's not the way I've been playing it, 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:39.080 Like how do I do you? 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:40.760 Did you feel? 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:44.679 And Plus in this show there's so many characters that 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:48.040 I think a lot of us were creating homework about 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:53.639 our characters by ourselves because there just wasn't time to, 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:57.000 you know, have rehearsal and talk about it and figure 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:57.280 it out. 0:18:57.480 --> 0:18:58.520 So did you do that? 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:04.080 Did you fill Tom with some of your own stuff 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.160 for like anything's come to you? 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:09.080 Well that I think it's it's a great question. But 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:11.720 given my history and I don't know how you because 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:17.159 Terry yours we've done this a while, I was not 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:20.200 prepared to come on a show where where any writer 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:21.919 was going to listen to what I had to say. 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:24.600 I mean nobody, I mean I don't know why. In 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:27.120 my experience up to that point, nobody, nobody else wanted 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:31.000 to listen to me anyway. So I was busy doing 0:19:31.040 --> 0:19:33.320 my damnedest to take what they had written and make 0:19:33.359 --> 0:19:40.199 it somehow work for me. But on this point, this 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:43.159 was the most generous group of writers that I have 0:19:43.240 --> 0:19:44.840 ever been around. 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:46.280 They there was not. 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:51.560 Uh, they did listen when and the only reason, the 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:53.919 only reason I ever even would would pipe up is 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:57.359 because Felicity did. And she would say, this just doesn't 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:01.600 make sense. And I will say, to her credit, she 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:03.720 was extraordinarily. 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:03.760 Demanding of the truth. 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:06.960 And she was demanding, like she didn't phone stuff in 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:10.720 and she always come in on the set and you know, 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:12.520 it's too neat in here. We've got all these kids. 0:20:12.560 --> 0:20:14.639 It'd just be a mess and throw cheerios around and 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:18.360 stuff like this. But really, I mean stuff there wasn't 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:22.320 even her job. And she'll acknowledge this now. So also 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:25.960 one of my favorite things is when I would go 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:29.440 to wear terry, I didn't I'm not a person that 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:32.280 would show up in the makeup trailer in my normal 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:36.280 civy clothes. I would always get in my wardrobe first 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:37.600