1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome to Desperately Devoted the Ultimate Desperate Housewives rewatch, 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: hosted by me, Terry Hatcher, my on screen daughter Andrea Bowen, 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: and my real life daughter Emerson Tenny. We are so 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: lucky and blessed this week to have the incredible Doug 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: Savant here with us telling us. 6 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 2: To talk about the show and his experience. And thank 7 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 2: you so much for being here with you. 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 3: I am thrilled to be here and thrilled to be 9 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 3: back with you ladies, and now with Emerson all grown up. 10 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 4: It's fantastic. 11 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 5: It is so amazing. You look amazing. I just every 12 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 5: time we see somebody from the show, or even when 13 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 5: we're just watching the episodes now, memories just come flooding back, 14 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 5: and I don't know, maybe it's it's time, but I 15 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 5: just find everyone was so brilliant and genius and just 16 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 5: I just have so much love. It's just I know 17 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 5: I'm on zoom, but I feel like I'm in the room. 18 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 5: I want to just grab you by the cheek. It's 19 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 5: so great to see you, and that's. 20 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 6: Great to see so welcome. 21 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 4: It's great to see you. 22 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 3: It's great to be seen by you and with you 23 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 3: and be with you, but yeah, I as you've gone back, 24 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 3: like are what are your feelings? 25 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 5: It's been really fun because Emerson's basically never seen the 26 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 5: show before, and we haven't seen it in such a 27 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 5: long time that, like I said, you know, I find 28 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 5: myself going, oh my god, I forgot that. 29 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 7: I forgot that, I forgot that. 30 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 5: You know. But one of the things that was standing 31 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,560 Speaker 5: out to us very early on, and I know, I'm 32 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 5: so excited to talk to you about this is you know, 33 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 5: there was so much obviously hype around the show and 34 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 5: around the idea of housewives, which mostly focused on the women, 35 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 5: and when you step away from it for as long 36 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 5: as we have and we go back, I feel by 37 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 5: the third episode, the men, I mean, I think I 38 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 5: came in to discuss our podcast and I was like, 39 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 5: you guys, aren't the men just like jumping off the 40 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 5: screen at you? 41 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 6: Like, I. 42 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 5: Have so much kind of curiosity and compassion for the 43 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 5: character development and the individual differences uniqueness between these men. 44 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 5: And also I have so many questions about what it 45 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 5: was like to try to play it. But let me 46 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 5: just start there that in hindsight, I feel like the 47 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 5: men are landing in a very strong way. Do you 48 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 5: guys feel that way. 49 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 2: Oh yes, I's second that it's so exciting and nice 50 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 2: to have you here because we have been discussing amongst 51 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 2: the three of us just how strong the husband's point 52 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 2: of view comes in, starting around episode three particularly, but 53 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 2: continuing on through the first season. 54 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 5: I mean, how did you can we just even go 55 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 5: to like how did you even get the show? Like 56 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 5: did you know Mark? 57 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 6: Or how what was? 58 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 5: Really? 59 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 6: Go back? 60 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 3: Okay, really go back? So I went into a no, 61 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 3: just a standard audition. It was another audition, and the 62 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 3: first thing that Mark Cherry said to me jumps out 63 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 3: of his seat and he says, I wrote the first 64 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 3: thing that your wife was ever in. 65 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 4: So my. 66 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 3: Wife, when she, you know, was starting launching her career, 67 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 3: she was part of a touring company of the Young 68 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 3: Americans and which Mark was, and so Mark had written 69 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 3: like this sort of musical thing, and Laura was there 70 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 3: and so she sang and she did this this thing 71 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 3: with Mark. So that was That's how Mark introduced himself 72 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 3: to me. 73 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: Welcome. That's an ingratiating way to meet something. 74 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, And then of course I auditioned. It was Charlie McDougal, 75 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 3: the our pilot director, And the interesting thing about the 76 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 3: process for me was I was coming into the pilot 77 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 3: as a guest. I was not a contracted a series regular. 78 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 3: I was a guest star. So I got the Desperate 79 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 3: Housewives pilot as a guest and it was the only 80 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 3: husband that didn't have a serious regular role, and in fact, 81 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 3: I had to pass on a on a CSI there 82 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 3: were at the same time, and I thought, I'm gonna 83 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with this Desperate Housewives thing, and and 84 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 3: then magically the show goes, you know. And I thought 85 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 3: from reading the pilot that it was outstanding that I 86 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 3: saw something in it, and I hope that we all 87 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 3: did that, that there was a duality that there was. 88 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 3: There was seriousness there, but there was this also farcical 89 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 3: side or a soap side that people could engage with 90 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 3: it on many levels. And having come from Melrose's place 91 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 3: many years before, that was something that I noted in 92 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 3: that audience too. There was people who are in on 93 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 3: the joke and then people who just wanted to simply 94 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 3: be in for the soap opera aspects of it. But 95 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 3: then we got picked up and that's when the real 96 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 3: drama started. Because the studio called he said, we want 97 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 3: we want some want to come back as a guest. 98 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 3: We wanted you to come back as a guest for 99 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 3: for six episodes the first we were picked up, where 100 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 3: we picked up for nine or thirteen. 101 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 6: I forget, I don't really I might have. 102 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 5: Season. 103 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 4: Well we didn't get the backward I know that, I know, 104 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 4: I know that. 105 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 3: And so they said and we said, okay, well, you 106 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 3: know great, you know I'm interested in doing the show. 107 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 3: But they just made it awful. They were we're not 108 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 3: going to pay him another nickel. We said, well, is 109 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 3: there would you maybe be willing to offer some contract. No, 110 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 3: we never do that. Well that's interesting because Nicole at 111 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 3: Sheridan was a guest star on the pilot, but she 112 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 3: was up for the contract, and so I ended up. 113 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 3: They made it so hateful that I ended up passing 114 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 3: on the show. 115 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 6: Oh my god. 116 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 3: And I said, I said, I'll go out and I'll 117 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 3: get six guest stars myself of other shows. 118 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 4: I'm not doing this. 119 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 3: They never said. They never came to me and said, 120 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 3: we think you're great. We just don't have any money. 121 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 3: We don't know if the shows hit yet. We don't 122 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 3: you know, they didn't play any of that they said, 123 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 3: we're not paying him another nickel. 124 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 4: I don't care if we have to reshoot the. 125 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 3: Thing, And I thought wow, And so I thought, wow, 126 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 3: you just go right ahead. 127 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 4: Thanks. Yeah, I know, Terry. 128 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 5: I'm going to brace interrupt for one second, and I'm 129 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 5: going to circle back to something our listeners may have 130 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 5: picked up on. This is why I wore my own wardrobe. 131 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 8: Probably, yes, we talked about this in the pilot. 132 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 5: I'm just thinking that all of these things are trickling 133 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 5: down into some sort of like they were not prepared 134 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 5: for what it actually took to shoot what they wrote, 135 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:34,600 Speaker 5: and we. 136 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 8: Found all these moments where I was like, Mom, isn't 137 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 8: that your shirt? Like didn't I end up borrowing that? 138 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 8: I still have that purse today? And she said, yeah, 139 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 8: they were not prepared to dress five leading women. 140 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 5: Anyways, I'm so sorry to interrupt, but I just know 141 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 5: it's crazy to hear how that. 142 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 6: Yes, so you may not know the also awful, So 143 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 6: go ahead. 144 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 4: You may not know. 145 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 3: The end of the story is Mark Cherry called me 146 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 3: and said, Doug, is it true that you're not doing it? 147 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 3: You're not going to do our show? And I said, Mark, 148 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 3: they made they made it horrible long story short. Mark said, please, 149 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 3: let's get them out of this. I'll negotiate. I'll negotiate 150 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 3: with you. We don't have any money. We're you know, 151 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 3: we we we love you. We thought you were great 152 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 3: on the pilot. He said, all the nice right things. 153 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 3: And I said, okay, let's you know, can we just 154 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 3: make something more like than more than just like Top 155 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 3: of Show? Like musicians, if they're a really good musician 156 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,239 Speaker 3: and they get a studio gig there or an album 157 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 3: they'll get, they'll get double scale or something like just 158 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 3: pay me double scale something, throw me a bone, he goes, 159 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 3: let me go. They said, oh no, no, we never 160 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 3: do that. And I said, okay, So I said, okay, 161 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 3: I tell you what, Mark, I thank you. I appreciate that. 162 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 3: I want to do the show. I'll come in and 163 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 3: I'll do the first six. And they had some number 164 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 3: on the backside too. I said, I'll do it, and 165 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 3: I'll do it for Top of Show. But you're the 166 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 3: reason you're saying this is because we don't note the 167 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,239 Speaker 3: show is a hit yet and we don't have the money. 168 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 3: So if the show is a hit and you go 169 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 3: a second season, whether you kill tom Off or not 170 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 3: you don't want me on the show. You need to 171 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 3: pay me for the second season. Just if the show's 172 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 3: a hit, I'll go, he said. He said, oh, Mark said, 173 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 3: I can do that. I will definitely do that. He 174 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 3: called me back and said, oh, they said, we never 175 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 3: do that. 176 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 8: I feel like I hear this all the time from 177 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 8: his studios. 178 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: We never. 179 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 3: Mark Cherry then uttered these words to me which made 180 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 3: me take the job. I give you my word as 181 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 3: a Christian man, if the season goes, you'll be there. 182 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 3: And to his eternal credit, he kept his word. He 183 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 3: Mark Cherry is a fantastic human being who he gave 184 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 3: me the best eight years of my life, my professional life. 185 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 3: I adored this experience. I adored this show. I wouldn't 186 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 3: change it for anything. My trip as you girls were 187 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 3: like blowing up on every magazine cover in the world, 188 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 3: and the studio was lavishing lovely you know tokens of 189 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 3: their affection on you. I was just a guest star 190 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 3: sitting there, like to know, keeping my fingers. Grassed that Mark. 191 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 3: Mark kept his word, and he did then more so 192 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 3: because we had another seven years. 193 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 2: Yeah after that, it's astonishing. I thought people are going 194 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 2: to find that your origin story is so fascinating because 195 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 2: Tom becomes. 196 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 5: Such a staple of the show. 197 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 2: The idea that initially you weren't going to be on 198 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 2: that regularly, you were just kind of coming in occasionally, 199 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 2: and then the risk that might have you not having 200 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: been on the show for as long as you were 201 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 2: is just amazing to hear. 202 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 6: I'm so glad. 203 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 8: I'm so glad that he kept his word too, because 204 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 8: I have to say Tom and Lynnett are my favorite 205 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 8: couple on the show. And I mean, even in all 206 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 8: of the chaos of all of the kids. And we've 207 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 8: talked a lot about the baby who comes in and 208 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 8: out of the first episodes, we don't see for me 209 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 8: five episodes. But something that we've talked about a lot, 210 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 8: especially in regards to your performance, is on the page, 211 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 8: Tom could come across as so oblivious to his wife's 212 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 8: struggles and he's gone at work, and you know she's 213 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 8: sort of resentful of him. But you play the character 214 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 8: in such a way that feels so disarmingly charming and 215 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 8: present and kind that even when the actual words Tom 216 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 8: is saying feel like I cannot believe this man is 217 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 8: saying it, there's something believably charming and endearing about it. 218 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 3: Did you, Can I first acknowledge I never tire of 219 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 3: hearing that, And can. 220 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 5: I just acknowledge how wonderful it is that my daughter 221 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 5: is such a generous and articulate human. 222 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 8: Yeah, well, it's true. It's really, I mean, it is true. 223 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 5: I am true. Yeah, no, and it is. It is 224 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 5: true that you really added layers that in some sense, 225 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 5: you know what I mean, just weren't there, you know, 226 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 5: and and and without that, I think I think Lynette's. 227 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 7: Ability to do what she needed to do would have. 228 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 5: Been much harder. I thought some of the choices you 229 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:25,119 Speaker 5: made were incredibly brave because they were you were committed 230 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 5: to the cluelessness in a way that must have felt 231 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 5: very awkward, because I think I said this in one 232 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 5: of our episodes a couple of weeks ago, I said, 233 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 5: there is no way Doug treats his wife like that 234 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 5: like that. You know, I guarantee you, I guarantee you. 235 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 4: You know that I'm not allowing you what to come 236 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 4: in for a postmark? Yeah? 237 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I Terry, I thought, I, you know, you 238 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,719 Speaker 3: were reticent to say that about Tom's either cluelessness or 239 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 3: I thank you that was You're being kind. But no, 240 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 3: there was a Tom. What I heard while I was 241 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 3: on the show. In the first I had women come 242 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 3: out to me and say, you are playing my husband. 243 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 3: But because Tom, I believe was a good guy, he 244 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 3: just didn't know what to do. He was he was like, oh, 245 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 3: and then would you tell me? Of course, yeah, of 246 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 3: course I'll do. 247 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 5: I feel like when I said clueless, I didn't mean idiot. 248 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 5: I meant more like just unaware. Sure as the second Tom, 249 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 5: the second Tom became aware, he tried to do something 250 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 5: about it. 251 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 6: Oh, I wanted to help. Yeah, he was always absolutely 252 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 6: and he. 253 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 3: Came from the place I used to say this and 254 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 3: this happy wife, happy life. That's and there's many there 255 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 3: are many, many, many men who lived this way. And yeah, 256 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 3: so he might not have got it right, you know 257 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 3: on the first take, you know, like what and then 258 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 3: but then he would rise to. 259 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 2: The occasion and you listened, I mean Tom, Tom listened 260 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 2: to his wife when she would say, hey, I actually 261 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 2: need something from you. 262 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, and Lynette, Lynette, come on, let's see. Lenette was hardcore. 263 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 3: I mean she you know. That's really what I loved 264 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 3: about the portrayal of this marriage ontellivigionce I thought it 265 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 3: was really a good portrayal of a not perfect marriage, 266 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 3: but a really good, strong marriage, and that wall things 267 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 3: aren't always perfect. They stayed together early or early early, 268 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 3: they really you know, they really stuck together, and I 269 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 3: think that they had a good I think it was 270 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 3: a good representation of marriage in you know, in the media. 271 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 5: Do you have scenes, I mean, it's long, it's it's 272 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 5: I would imagine maybe you don't remember, because I know, 273 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 5: eight seasons is a long time, and I'm finding myself going, 274 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 5: I don't even remember shooting that, you know, but do 275 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 5: you have scenes that stick out in your brain that 276 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 5: were particularly rewarding or challenging. 277 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 6: Or humiliating you go, yeah. 278 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 5: Back, and you go, I'm really proud of that. Like 279 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 5: I would use the example of me getting locked out 280 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 5: of the house naked and this sort of like physical 281 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 5: comedy I did involved in that, as I would look 282 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 5: at that as like a highlight not just my execution, 283 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 5: but the opportunity itself that Mark wrote for me to even. 284 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 3: Do that, right, but that really you execute it on 285 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 3: the highest level. You know, somebody can put it on 286 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 3: the page, as your daughter knows, but bringing it to 287 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 3: life and doing it the physical comedy is next level. 288 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 3: So no that I would say that that is an 289 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 3: iconic image from the show of what you did there 290 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 3: Eva mowing the lawn. There are so many just the 291 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 3: imagery of the show. I think was it season two 292 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 3: when they did the whole Eden thing with the apples 293 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 3: and the or was that from them that's in the 294 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 3: opening credits of this Well, I know, I know it's 295 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 3: in the opening credits, but didn't somebody came in, like 296 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 3: a big commercial director and they Oh. 297 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, David David Chappelle, David Chappelle, David David not La Chappelle, 298 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 5: David Chappelle, David Chappellee. 299 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 4: We're going with that. 300 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 6: Yes, I was right. 301 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 5: I think he did something like very high high fashion 302 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 5: with apples. But so back to like, are there scenes 303 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 5: that stand out like great? 304 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, there's okay. You know, I was certainly humiliated 305 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 3: when I had to wear the song you know, a greet. Yeah, 306 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 3: that was like something I didn't want to do. I'm 307 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 3: like in my fortes, I'm like, Mark, nobody wants to 308 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 3: see this, But that's still out there. 309 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 4: That that lives on today. 310 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 2: He gave you his one question word. 311 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 3: When Curry Graham who's a fantastic actor, played my sort 312 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 3: of my boss, and I was at the advertising in 313 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 3: marketing or the advertising agency. 314 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 4: There was a scene and. 315 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 3: It got caught, but I had to go bobbing for 316 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 3: a donut in the toilet bawl. 317 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 5: Oh my god. 318 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 3: And also he was throwing do you remember there was 319 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 3: a scene in a in a boardroom where he's challenging 320 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 3: me all the time and he was chucking eminem peanut 321 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 3: eminem's at me and I would have to eat them 322 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 3: out of the air. 323 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 4: And we literally shot this. This wasn't c g. 324 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 3: I I mean I was, you know, and I I 325 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 3: don't want to really toot my own home. 326 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 4: It was kind of I was kind of great at 327 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 4: It was kind of a big deal. 328 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 5: Everybody has to have like tricks in there in their 329 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 5: basket of tricks. That's a good one to have. 330 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 6: It really is. 331 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I of course I remember all of this 332 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 3: stuff with with Flick in terms of but I think 333 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 3: I was most nervous and I don't know how. I 334 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 3: don't want to mess up your podcast with a spoiler alert. 335 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 3: So if anybody, oh, that's okay. 336 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 5: I think when we're we've got we're so happy to 337 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 5: have guests on. We know we're going to go way 338 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 5: out of order. 339 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 3: That's all right, Okay, So way at the end of 340 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 3: the series, when Tom and Lynnette get back together on 341 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 3: the street, that was really uh, that was I wanted 342 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 3: to make sure I didn't screw that up. And I 343 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 3: will say, you know, after all of these years, I 344 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 3: don't I have not gone back and watched the show, 345 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 3: but I it pops up on YouTube, various scenes and 346 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 3: stuff like that, and I'm I'm vulnerable watch you know, 347 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 3: and and I'm I'm super proud of what I did. 348 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 2: I'm like, should be yeah, you should be three fans 349 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,840 Speaker 2: here and a million of more fans out there listening. 350 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 8: I'm sure. 351 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 5: Well, I don't know, but yeah, yeah, I was curious, 352 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 5: like just a little digging a little bit deeper into 353 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 5: playing Tom, because you know, I think people sometimes don't 354 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 5: know this with series that sometimes the actors don't know 355 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 5: where it's going. So so you get a script and 356 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 5: the most you have is what you've done before in 357 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 5: another episode, and then what you're looking at now, and 358 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 5: you're not necessarily privy to where it's going. And sometimes 359 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 5: character things that they write for you to do, you 360 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 5: think I wouldn't do that, like based on what happened 361 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 5: before or I that's not the way I've been playing it, 362 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 5: Like how do I do you? 363 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 7: Did you feel? 364 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 5: And Plus in this show there's so many characters that 365 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 5: I think a lot of us were creating homework about 366 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 5: our characters by ourselves because there just wasn't time to, 367 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 5: you know, have rehearsal and talk about it and figure 368 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 5: it out. 369 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 7: So did you do that? 370 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 5: Did you fill Tom with some of your own stuff 371 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,160 Speaker 5: for like anything's come to you? 372 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 3: Well that I think it's it's a great question. But 373 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 3: given my history and I don't know how you because 374 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 3: Terry yours we've done this a while, I was not 375 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 3: prepared to come on a show where where any writer 376 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 3: was going to listen to what I had to say. 377 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 3: I mean nobody, I mean I don't know why. In 378 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 3: my experience up to that point, nobody, nobody else wanted 379 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 3: to listen to me anyway. So I was busy doing 380 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 3: my damnedest to take what they had written and make 381 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 3: it somehow work for me. But on this point, this 382 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 3: was the most generous group of writers that I have 383 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 3: ever been around. 384 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 4: They there was not. 385 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 3: Uh, they did listen when and the only reason, the 386 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 3: only reason I ever even would would pipe up is 387 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 3: because Felicity did. And she would say, this just doesn't 388 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 3: make sense. And I will say, to her credit, she 389 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 3: was extraordinarily. 390 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 4: Demanding of the truth. 391 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 3: And she was demanding, like she didn't phone stuff in 392 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 3: and she always come in on the set and you know, 393 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 3: it's too neat in here. We've got all these kids. 394 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 3: It'd just be a mess and throw cheerios around and 395 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 3: stuff like this. But really, I mean stuff there wasn't 396 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 3: even her job. And she'll acknowledge this now. So also 397 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 3: one of my favorite things is when I would go 398 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 3: to wear terry, I didn't I'm not a person that 399 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 3: would show up in the makeup trailer in my normal 400 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 3: civy clothes. I would always get in my wardrobe first 401 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 3: and then go I just didn't want to I don't 402 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 3: like makeup. I didn't want to get No, I always 403 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 3: get I was getting a wardrobe, then I go to makeup. 404 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 3: And so when we would come to rehearse, Uh, most 405 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 3: people are in their city, their city clothes, they're hanging 406 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 3: out doing something. Then we're rehearsing and you go get 407 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 3: in your stuff, but I show I always showed up 408 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 3: in my wardrobe and Felicia more than one occasion was look, Mika, 409 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 3: are you gonna wear like what and just pull the 410 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 3: rug out phone and you're like, well they put it 411 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 3: in the trailer. She goes, oh my god, that's hideous, and. 412 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 5: Back to why I used my Oh yeah, he keeps 413 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 5: coming up. 414 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 2: It just keeps coming up. 415 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,400 Speaker 3: Well they did, Oh my god the first season, Terry, 416 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 3: you're right if now that you're making me recall, I mean, 417 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 3: I literally most of my wardrobe is from Target. This 418 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 3: is before. 419 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 4: The genius of. 420 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, I had some really there's some embarrassing 421 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 3: cast photos of me, like like throwing a football on him, 422 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 3: Like I look like the worst Sears of Robot model 423 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 3: that like, yeah, they just couldn't. 424 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 2: Another time in the last our last podcast that I 425 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: pointed out that I'm wearing inexplicably, I'm wearing flip flops 426 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 2: in a scene that it's just like why why am 427 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 2: I not wearing sneakers? Like why am I out in 428 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 2: the world, not at the beach, not nearpool, Like it's 429 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 2: very strange. They certainly fliplop around like it couldn't have 430 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 2: been good for sound, And we determined it. It must 431 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 2: have just been the budget. Any other options for me? 432 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it's I think you know, she's obviously an 433 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 5: amazing actress. I don't know how you had you worked 434 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 5: with her before. I hadn't either, And I have this memory, 435 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 5: it's really one of my most clear on the pilot, 436 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 5: and I remember it was I had. It was the 437 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 5: deference that I had. 438 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 7: It was it was I was just like, it's really. 439 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 5: Nice to meet you, and I just want to make 440 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 5: sure that you know whatever I do is supporting the 441 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 5: choice that you want to make, because I know that 442 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 5: you're a really accomplished, great actress, and I just want 443 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 5: to make sure I'm setting you to be what you 444 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 5: want to do. 445 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 6: You know that she made me that way. 446 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 3: She is a Yeah, she is a super strong presence. 447 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 3: I think, Terry, when I felt that most was when 448 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 3: I'm in a scene with Felicity and her husband, Bill Macy, 449 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 3: from whom Macy comes to watch and he's behind the monitor. 450 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 4: I'm like, no, go right now, you know no? 451 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 3: And so yeah, but Bill, Bill, in his to his credit, 452 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 3: he was always very gracious, a great liar. 453 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 4: He's a great He's a great liar. He always he 454 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 4: was very supportive of me. 455 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 3: But yeah, one of the other things about Felicity that 456 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 3: needs to be that is sort of interesting and why 457 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 3: as we were talking before we got started with Emerson, 458 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 3: why I'm glad you're no one's you know, you're not 459 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 3: pursuing a career in acting. One of the things they 460 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 3: did during the nego while I was in limbo and 461 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 3: I said, no, I'm not going to do the show, 462 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 3: or Mark was trying to negotiate for me, was they 463 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 3: They certainly, and I don't know if they did this 464 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 3: with you Terry to check in about Jamie or anything, 465 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 3: but they went to they went to Felicity and said, you. 466 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 4: Know, do you you like the savant guys? He is 467 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 4: he okay with you? You know? And she was like, yeah, 468 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 4: he's great. You know. 469 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 3: She was just like, yes, I had And this is 470 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 3: the tenuous you know, Cliff precipice that actors live on. 471 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 3: Had Felicity said, I don't know, you know, or I 472 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 3: didn't you know, she didn't like the way I smelled her, 473 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 3: the way I kissed her that on that opening scene, 474 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 3: you know, No, I mean any number of things it 475 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,160 Speaker 3: could have it could have spelled, could have taken away 476 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 3: that opportunity from me. 477 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 4: So I am, I. 478 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 5: Don't remember having. 479 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 6: Anywhere anybody else kind of powered. 480 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 2: And she's like, if so Andrea would have never. 481 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 6: I don't that's not true. 482 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 5: If So Andrew would have been in every episode from 483 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 5: the quire eight seasons, if I had had that kind 484 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 5: of power. 485 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, so, Terry, I don't know that Felicity. 486 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 3: They didn't come to her and say, you know, there 487 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 3: wasn't nice to sit down, Hey, we want to discuss 488 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 3: she they checked in, They checked in before before there 489 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 3: before they're going to go another you know, another yard 490 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 3: down the road with me. They were checking in and 491 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 3: had she had she you know, any burn or saddle 492 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 3: about me. 493 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 4: I want to be here. I want to know when. 494 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 5: Well, I'm glad that she didn't because, as Emerson said, 495 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 5: I think you guys were just an iconic television married couple, 496 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 5: so so truthful and complicated and willing to be ugly 497 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 5: and and and and as you said, the show rode 498 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 5: this incredibly truthful but also satirical comedic lines, just like 499 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 5: walking a tightrope, and when it was at its best, 500 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 5: you guys really just shined. So it's like such a 501 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 5: joy to reflect on. And I want to Yeah, yeah, no, 502 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 5: go ahead. 503 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 3: In that you know clearly you yours and Jamie's dynamic 504 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 3: was popping and everybody, you know, people wanted they were starving, 505 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 3: and we had we couldn't allow them to have that relationship, right, 506 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 3: That's why they had Andrew Jackson Nicholet. But then you had, 507 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 3: you had Jamie, you had, you had a number of 508 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 3: guys over the year. 509 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 6: I'm probably I'm not forgotten. 510 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 4: What's that that's gonna be ritual? 511 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 5: Oh? 512 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 4: God, of course. 513 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 3: So in the ordination of things, I'm just gonna say 514 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 3: Jamie's on a different level, right because he is a friend. 515 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 3: I know if I come in here a bad mouth 516 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 3: and it just looked bad. Uh So so who was 517 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 3: who did you then next, like really spark with her? 518 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 3: That you you you thought there was really some great 519 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 3: you loved working with them? 520 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 5: Oh this is really this is just difficult because I 521 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 5: feel like it's a complicated answer. Plus we haven't gotten 522 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 5: to those episodes yet, so that makes it hard. But 523 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 5: I will admit something that I think it will be 524 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 5: interesting to discover if my recollection it matches when we 525 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:19,479 Speaker 5: start watching it. 526 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 7: But I used to feel that after we got. 527 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 5: Through season one and a lot of people said this, 528 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 5: that Susan became annoying and did some things that just 529 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 5: seemed very out of character. And I talked to one 530 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 5: of the writers years and years later, and he admitted 531 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 5: to me that they really wrote themselves into a corner 532 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 5: with Susan and Mike, because once you let a character 533 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 5: find the love of their life, you have nothing to 534 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 5: do but break them up and put them back together, 535 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 5: and break them up and put them back together, and 536 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 5: break them up and put them back together. They never 537 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 5: were willing to add Susan and Mike as another version 538 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 5: of a married couple. So you had, you know, Brie 539 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 5: and Rex and their particular struggle, and you had Tom 540 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 5: and Lynette and their particular struggle, and Gabby and Carlos 541 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 5: and their particular struggle. And they were never willing to 542 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 5: let Susan and Mike get invested in a marriage and 543 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 5: see what the problems were. And so they just started 544 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,359 Speaker 5: arbitrarily making up what he admitted to me were not 545 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 5: particularly grounded or earned reasons to split them up and 546 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 5: put them back together, and split them up and put 547 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 5: them back together. So, to answer your question, there was 548 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 5: a part of me that just always felt like why 549 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 5: are we doing this storyline? 550 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 8: Like? 551 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 5: Why are we doing this storyline? And I think the 552 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 5: audience felt that somewhat, And I, as you said, you're 553 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 5: not you don't tell the writer what to do. I 554 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 5: don't either, I, you know, would get it and certainly 555 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 5: try to do the best with what I could manage 556 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 5: out of what the story was there. But in regards 557 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 5: to the loving relationship, yeah, and picking other boyfriends, I 558 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 5: mean that's going to be an interesting thing as we 559 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 5: start to watch these episodes, because I'm sure at like 560 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 5: Gail is coming to mind. I'm sure like as and 561 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 5: and of course Richard Bergie. You know, the heart wants 562 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 5: what the heart wants. You can't not hear that, So 563 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 5: it'll be interesting to see that. But yeah, that's kind 564 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 5: of my reflection on where Susan's love life. You know, 565 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 5: I never really got the opportunity that I think Tom 566 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 5: and Yes, Susan. 567 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 4: It's really well, really well said. 568 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 8: I'm so rooting for Susan and Mike every time they're 569 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 8: on screen together, and the chemistry is so real and obviously, 570 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 8: you know, I grew up knowing James and is the 571 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 8: best and you guys are so great together that I 572 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 8: can imagine spoiler alert for me to see you not 573 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 8: always stay together. 574 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a question for you. So something we've 575 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 2: noticed is that, And one of the reasons why we 576 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 2: were so excited to do this podcast is that we've 577 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 2: had people, you know, coming up to us and letting 578 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 2: us know that they're experiencing the show for the first time. 579 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 2: There's a lot of people who are rewatching it and 580 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 2: who are watching it for six seventh, eighth time, which 581 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 2: is incredible, but there's also a huge amount of people 582 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 2: out there who are watching it for the first time, 583 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 2: and you know, they get really excited to come over 584 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,239 Speaker 2: and share that with you. So have you noticed that 585 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 2: out in the world. 586 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 3: I have, But even though I don't, I'm going to 587 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 3: admit something I don't want to admit. There's seems to 588 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 3: be a ground swell of like Tom Scavo haters. 589 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 4: Terry. 590 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 3: Is that So you just got through saying you know 591 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 3: that you've got some audience reaction like, oh god, Susan 592 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 3: is kind of either whatever, I forget what choice? 593 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:00,959 Speaker 4: Okay, that's Jesus. 594 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 3: So you know, I was living in my own like 595 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 3: you know, castle where I was like, you know, Tom's 596 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 3: a great guy. Tom's a great guy, but no, there's 597 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 3: there's a whole My children have let me know that 598 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 3: there's a community of haters out there. 599 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 4: And I was out at a. 600 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 3: Press event for something and a kid came up to 601 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 3: me and he said, uh, you're Tom's cobo And I said, well, 602 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 3: not exactly, but yes and uh and. 603 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 4: He said, would you do it this TikTok with me? 604 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 3: I've got these followers And I go, sure, I don't know, 605 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 3: I'm there for Presidente. 606 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 4: I'm like, oh. 607 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 3: So he holds up his camera and he starts going yeah. 608 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 3: He starts going off on bat like I've got Tom 609 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 3: Scobbo here. 610 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 4: He did this? 611 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 3: He was he and I was like what and he 612 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 3: said and so we got to me and I just 613 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 3: said what I thought Tom was handsome and charmie. I 614 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 3: didn't know. So he sort of threw me under the bus, 615 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 3: but I just rolled with. I mean, I don't nothing 616 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 3: I could do about it. Literally, I know nothing about that. 617 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 3: But within a day it had a million and a 618 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 3: half people viewing it and shanning. So there seems to 619 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 3: be some people out there who and I don't know 620 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 3: if there's been a paradigm shift by the way with 621 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 3: all this all of this masculinity that's out there now, 622 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 3: all this toxic maxiculinity that's out there now, Like, is 623 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 3: somehow Tom like because he was a little hapless and 624 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 3: not particularly strongly directed that like, is he no longer 625 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 3: is he not longer seen as a as a good 626 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 3: character or I don't. 627 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 5: Know, you know, I think we need to tee this 628 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 5: up to Emerson. 629 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 8: Yes, let me jump in and speak for the entire 630 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 8: younger general person in their late twenties. I it's interesting 631 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 8: hearing you say that, because I am watching it, and I, 632 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 8: like I said, I actually really like Tom and Lynette, 633 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 8: and I think maybe there's some hate around Lynette having 634 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 8: given up her career to be a stay at home 635 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 8: mom and then Tom being the character who sort of 636 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 8: carries that career forward, even though it seems and again 637 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 8: I'm watching it for the first time, but seems like 638 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 8: maybe Lynette was better at the job, and so it's like, oh, well, 639 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 8: why is this man, Like why are we ascribing to 640 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 8: these traditional heteronormative ideas about the man's the one who 641 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 8: goes and works when Tom maybe should be the one saying, hey, 642 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 8: let me take a back seat because you're so good 643 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 8: at your job. That would be my instinct in terms 644 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 8: of the toxic masculinity. But I don't think. I don't 645 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 8: want Tom to become toxically masculine. 646 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 4: Yeah no, no, no, no, I don't. I didn't want him 647 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 4: to be to be hond. 648 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 3: I just didn't know if there's a new generation of 649 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 3: guys like you, we don't do that work, take charge 650 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 3: kind of guys and we you know, and then it 651 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 3: made the character less attractive to some people. 652 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 8: Or maybe and I'm I'm I'm afraid of them. I'm 653 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 8: afraid if that's a new generation. 654 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 2: But I think this is this kind of ties into 655 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 2: you know what we're Another reason why we're so enjoying 656 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 2: this experience is because we do we re examine the 657 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 2: show now and see what kind of holds up or 658 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 2: what what new interpretations have come from watching it now. 659 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 2: And I didn't I was not aware that there's a 660 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,959 Speaker 2: Tom Anti Tom Sco movement. 661 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 4: Out there, bastards. 662 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,839 Speaker 3: So I would like to ask the both of you, 663 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 3: as the younger general and you're about to you're gonna 664 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 3: have a have a baby. 665 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 2: And I got to look up what generations? 666 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So I've got a dog, I've 667 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 3: got I'm a grandparent, I've got two grandchildren, I've got 668 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 3: brilliant Both of my adult daughters are professionals, very successful 669 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 3: in their own right. But she's my daughter, is dealing 670 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 3: you know, she's a mom now too, and so what 671 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 3: would what is the argument that would have been made? 672 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 3: I don't know, you know how, I thought the show 673 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 3: did a very good job. And sorry for being all 674 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 3: over the place with dealing with the fact that Felicity 675 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 3: probably she was better at her job and she was 676 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 3: a professional that she was struggling with, but that need 677 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 3: to want the desire to also be a mom, but 678 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 3: to have a career and trying to navigate that. And 679 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,800 Speaker 3: I thought the show did a My recollection is that 680 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:20,879 Speaker 3: they did a pretty good job. 681 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 4: Is that not the case? 682 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 3: And doesn't this conundrum still exist for this generation as 683 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 3: you go forward? I don't know, because you know, the 684 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 3: women are still having the babies, and that you know 685 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 3: how it you know how we can navigate it differently, 686 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 3: And what would you propose? 687 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 8: Oh, that's such an interesting question. I mean, obviously, Andrea, 688 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 8: you're the one about to have a child. I have 689 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,200 Speaker 8: said a few times watching you know, growing up from 690 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 8: the time I was seven until I was sixteen with 691 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 8: the show being on. Watching my mom go to work 692 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 8: and be such a badass, professional working woman and a 693 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,959 Speaker 8: really present mom with me oh always kind of made 694 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,320 Speaker 8: me feel like, you know, I know, I want to 695 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,919 Speaker 8: be a mom myself one day, and I never really 696 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 8: imagined a world in which that meant giving up my career. 697 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 8: Although I did see you, mom when I was first born, 698 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 8: take a moment in time between you know, Lois and 699 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 8: Clark and and you did other things. You did cabaret, 700 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:21,720 Speaker 8: you did spy kids. 701 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was on Wolshre. Yeah I did. I was like, Wow, 702 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 3: she singing and all that. That's the way to go. 703 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 5: Thank you. That was crazy show, I mean, amazing experience. 704 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 5: Feels like it happened to somebody else, you know. I 705 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 5: just to So I was raised my mom, uh went 706 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 5: back to work when I was six weeks old, and 707 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 5: I was basically raised by a babysitter and had like 708 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 5: not the greatest childhood in the world. So when it 709 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 5: came time that I wanted to have a child your 710 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 5: dad and I wanted to have a you, I made 711 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 5: sure like I was like, I'm not working, you know, 712 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 5: and I just built, like, we just made it so 713 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 5: that our finances and everything were in a place where 714 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,359 Speaker 5: I knew that I was gonna want to not go 715 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,359 Speaker 5: back to work because I had to, And that was 716 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,479 Speaker 5: based on how I was raised and I didn't want 717 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:23,400 Speaker 5: that experience. 718 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 4: Lewis and Clark done. 719 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 5: By that time, I got pregnant that yes, she did 720 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,879 Speaker 5: end it, she did. Emerson ended it. Yeah, I got 721 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,320 Speaker 5: pregnant and I had a like a high risk pregnancy 722 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 5: that actually ended up going perfectly well, but in the 723 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 5: anticipation of it, it was considered high risk. And they 724 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 5: told the studio Warner Brothers that I have to be 725 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 5: on bed rest probably by like August, and that was 726 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 5: enough to make the studio cancel it because they just 727 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,640 Speaker 5: they didn't, you know, what were they going to do 728 00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 5: if Lois couldn't come to work for five mins, months 729 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 5: or whatever. And so yeah, that was kind of the 730 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 5: end of it. And then and then I took about 731 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 5: almost two years off. I mean I think I did, 732 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 5: like you said, little part here, a little part there 733 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 5: that were a couple of weeks or whatever. But and 734 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 5: then the first thing I really did was cabaret. But 735 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 5: I was on the road and I was still breastfeeding, 736 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 5: and you came with me to every city and it 737 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 5: was I breastfed every day care. 738 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 4: That wasn't just an LA show. 739 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 5: No, I did seven months. I did LA Chicago, Boston 740 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 5: and DC. 741 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 6: God, yeah, bless amazing. 742 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a lot. I one of the biggest 743 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 5: regrets I have in my life because I don't have 744 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 5: many and I don't really believe in it. But they 745 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 5: did ask me to go to Broadway after seven months 746 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 5: in DC and I passed because I was. 747 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 4: Just burned done. 748 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's one of those things that I go, Okay, 749 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,839 Speaker 5: that maybe that was a mistake, Like I would love 750 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 5: to have that Broadway bucket list item to check off, 751 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 5: and I have not had that opportunity since. So anyways, 752 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:07,400 Speaker 5: enough about me. 753 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 2: No, it's so interesting, and just to kind of wrap 754 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 2: this this part up, I do think it's still an 755 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 2: incredibly topical dynamic in relationships today, particularly heteronormative ones or 756 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 2: you know, heterosexual relationships, that the mom to be is 757 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 2: having to play mental gymnastics approaching motherhood, deciding what that 758 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 2: means and how to do it all and do it 759 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 2: all well. And I'm really enjoying rewatching Desperate Housewives and 760 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 2: relating to these women and Lynette storyline that I, of 761 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 2: course didn't relate to the first time around. At this 762 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 2: point in my life about to be a mother and 763 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 2: I'm learning from these characters and it's really it's really fun. 764 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 2: Before we let you go, we would love to hear 765 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 2: about what you are up to currently, what you are working. 766 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 3: On, what you Oh, I did a little television movie 767 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 3: on the Lifetime network or the Lifetime app or my life. 768 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 5: I know all about you do. Yeah, yeah, you can 769 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 5: watch you can watch your movies on demand on Lifetime. 770 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:09,760 Speaker 7: And so this is called the child Bride. 771 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 3: This it is thank you Terry for seing. It is 772 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,880 Speaker 3: called the Child I was a child bride. It is 773 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:19,879 Speaker 3: the Courtney Stodden story. And I don't know you do Okay, Okay, 774 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 3: I don't great. I'm gonna I'll try my best to 775 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:29,760 Speaker 3: make it tight in nine. In twenty eleven, actor Doug Hutchison, 776 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,560 Speaker 3: who had played the sadistic guard in the movie The 777 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 3: Green Mile, married sixteen year old Courtney Stodden married a 778 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 3: sixteen year old in Vegas with the blessing of her parents. 779 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 3: Blessing maybe going too far, but they signed her away 780 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:56,440 Speaker 3: and they went on to have a very sort of 781 00:40:56,480 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 3: exposed paparazzi marriage. She was a child, She was sixteen 782 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 3: years old, and she looked a lot older, let's say, 783 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 3: and she was sort of sexualized at a young age 784 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 3: and were what I would think, forgive me, I'm going 785 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 3: to just show my cards. I think inappropriate stuff for 786 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 3: children of that age. But and she sort of the 787 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:27,800 Speaker 3: media ran with a story that and attributed adult values 788 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 3: to this child and attacked her like that she was 789 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 3: an adult who had had you know that her cerebral 790 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 3: culture critics had been fully closed, and she was making 791 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:42,280 Speaker 3: all of these decisions with informed consent, and she wasn't 792 00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:51,280 Speaker 3: she In the most tragic sort of act of parenting, 793 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 3: these parents signed their daughter away to this guy, and 794 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 3: they were married and had and then the relationship goes bad. 795 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,920 Speaker 3: So this is it's uh, it's kind of like if 796 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,319 Speaker 3: I don't know, if you remember the the Bob Fosse 797 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 3: will go to Fosse again Bob Fosse movie Star eighty. 798 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 3: There's elements of that in in in their relationship, but 799 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:16,799 Speaker 3: it was a highly toxic and dysfunctional and unhealthy relationship, 800 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,919 Speaker 3: and Courtney stopt into her credit now is fighting back, 801 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 3: changing the narrative. We're seeing it from her side. There 802 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 3: were other celebrities, you know, she was photographed all over 803 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,399 Speaker 3: and Doug Hutchison was sort of pimping her out at 804 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 3: these to the paparazzi. They would go to different places. 805 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,239 Speaker 3: Whe're going to be here so she could be seen 806 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 3: and shot with this specific product. That's how they were 807 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,879 Speaker 3: making money. Hollywood had turned his back, their backs on Doug. 808 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,880 Speaker 3: He was a pariah by this time, and. 809 00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 5: That must have been a really complicated, difficult role for you. 810 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 3: Well, it was, It really was, because, as fate would 811 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,880 Speaker 3: have it, Doug Hutchison was someone that I had friends 812 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 3: who had worked with. I knew of him. We had 813 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 3: auditioned back in the day. I'm sure John and other 814 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:07,839 Speaker 3: actors of my age. 815 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 4: No new dog. 816 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 3: He was a very talent. I want to give him 817 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 3: his props. He was a talented actor and a or. 818 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 3: He had a terrible psychopathology that let him down a 819 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:24,359 Speaker 3: very dark road and he it's it's pedophilia, just there's 820 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 3: no other way to say it. But the interesting things 821 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,239 Speaker 3: about playing him were changing myself physically. He's he's got 822 00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,040 Speaker 3: dark hair, you know, we dyed the hair and cut 823 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 3: into my head. We needed to receive my hairline because 824 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,920 Speaker 3: I have such a great hairline normally. But we we 825 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,839 Speaker 3: did all that, and then he spoke in a sort 826 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 3: of a very specific way. He's you know, he talked 827 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,719 Speaker 3: only out on one side of his mouth, and he 828 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 3: was like very sort of had a tone that's like, 829 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,759 Speaker 3: you know, like I never I would never, I would 830 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 3: never hurt you, you know. 831 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,400 Speaker 4: Like I love you. It's very very soft and the boom. 832 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,480 Speaker 5: So that's so interesting, you know, I do find that 833 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:07,520 Speaker 5: Lifetime it gives you some compelling characters to explore us 834 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 5: an actor. 835 00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,640 Speaker 3: Well, I was, I was, I was all in. You know, 836 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,239 Speaker 3: he's a guy you can see online. You know, people 837 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 3: the audience can go to YouTube on I can't just 838 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,640 Speaker 3: play like the television version of him, like they're gonna go, 839 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,200 Speaker 3: that's Tom Scavo, Like, you know, like that's so stupid. 840 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 3: So I had to try and get as physically close 841 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,480 Speaker 3: to that character. And that's really why I became an 842 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 3: actor to begin with. I was interested in transformation and 843 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,279 Speaker 3: then you know, here I am just like, you know. 844 00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 5: That's fantastic Lifetime app video on demand videos on it. 845 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:40,600 Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm excited. 846 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,439 Speaker 7: It's so great to see you. 847 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,240 Speaker 4: It's great to see everybody. 848 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,360 Speaker 3: You guys look like a million bucks and and uh, 849 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,200 Speaker 3: you're doing the lord's work here keeping our show. 850 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,360 Speaker 5: You know, we get to see your son periodically, he 851 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:54,960 Speaker 5: pops in. 852 00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,520 Speaker 4: You know, my guy, that's my guy. 853 00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:03,080 Speaker 2: It's so great and it's like seeing and looks exactly. 854 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:06,319 Speaker 7: There's no doubt about that. 855 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 3: I'm immensely proud of my son. So yeah, I'd take 856 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,800 Speaker 3: all that. I take the compliment. 857 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 5: Thank you, well, thank you everyone for joining us for 858 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,760 Speaker 5: this fabulous bonus episode with deg savont I. We're so lucky, 859 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,279 Speaker 5: and uh, we're going to keep putting it out there 860 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,520 Speaker 5: because we are desperately devoted to you