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Speaker 1: Well, the second half started across Major League Baseball, but

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Speaker 1: Welcome back again to Cardinals territory, Katie and Bernie michlss

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Speaker 1: Here Bertie, your takeaway. Obviously I was not at Chase Field,

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Speaker 1: a lot because this sounds terrible. Bertie, you can go

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Speaker 1: a completely embarrassing performance by the course.

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Speaker 2: you know, there was non competitive you know, the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: just you know, basically the first three innings if you

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Speaker 2: all three games. I mean they were outscored like sixteen

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Speaker 2: yet you and I and many others have complimented and

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Speaker 2: reassess that because Katie, here's the thing that bothered me

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Speaker 2: But here's a team that has been having all kinds

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Speaker 2: but yet you look at the standings and they're still

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Speaker 2: I don't think people want to hear that, even if

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Speaker 2: But I really, man, I would have lost a lot

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Speaker 2: They just flat lined. And I don't understand, like, where

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Speaker 2: did that team go that you and I were saying, Gosh,

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Speaker 2: to that team during the All Star break? Did they?

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Speaker 2: What happened? I mean, they had four days to rest.

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Speaker 1: It was super disappointing. And as you know, Bernie, you're

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Speaker 1: The Cardinals rotation collectively has an ERA over seven. In July,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that to me was the most disappointing game because

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Speaker 3: It's a continuation of what we look like before the

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Speaker 1: It's super frustrating, especially when we all know what's at

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Speaker 3: To be this year.

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Speaker 1: But the book we should remain on the future. This

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Speaker 2: got Matt Sponts. That's really not the point. The point

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Speaker 2: is they they they cashed in an asset that had

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Speaker 2: no future with the team and they got a young

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Speaker 2: player who a young pitcher at the time. You know,

434
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Speaker 2: I read some stuff about him. He had some potential,

435
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Speaker 2: but he has shown that he can be a good

436
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Speaker 2: reliever in you're in a major league bullpen. I mean,

437
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Speaker 2: so you can even if the guy like Vetti's value

438
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Speaker 2: has got to be rock bottom. But even then, you know,

439
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Speaker 2: you you can get a marginal prospect or two, and

440
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Speaker 2: you never, you never, if you've done your scouting and

441
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Speaker 2: you have a good read on these prospects, you might

442
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Speaker 2: be able to, you know, pluck someone out of this

443
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Speaker 2: that can help you in the few you know. And

444
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Speaker 2: I'm saying that keeping my keeping keeping a good perspective

445
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Speaker 2: on this, you know. In other words, anything you can

446
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Speaker 2: get that can help you, that's a good trade for

447
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Speaker 2: a guy like Vetti. So we'll see what happens. But

448
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 2: before we I wanted to say one other thing about Libator.

449
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Speaker 2: I wonder, maybe it's not fair to wonder, but after all,

450
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Speaker 2: McGreevy was down there, okay, And I don't think this

451
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Speaker 2: is a second guest, but if people want to say

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Speaker 2: it's a second guest, okay, you and I and a

453
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Speaker 2: lot of people are are fans of Matthew Libator. We

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Speaker 2: love the decision to put him in the rotation. I'm

455
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Speaker 2: not second guests and that at all. But his first

456
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 2: ten starts were outstanding, except for maybe one, but really

457
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 2: really good body of work. His last eight no e

458
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Speaker 2: er a way up. But the thing that that the

459
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 2: telltale sign during this eight stretch start eight start stretch,

460
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 2: pardon me, is his strikeout rate is just absolutely collapsed.

461
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,800
Speaker 2: I mean it's right down there with Fetti and Michaels Belonte.

462
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,320
Speaker 2: So to me, that's a telltale sign. And it wasn't

463
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Speaker 2: like it just happened. It had happened gradually. I think

464
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 2: it's fair to ask, you know, should Ali and Dusty

465
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 2: Blake maybe given him that breather earlier? I think he

466
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 2: I think he needed one even before the All Star

467
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Speaker 2: break in now. In other words, I like what they're doing,

468
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 2: but I think they maybe should have done that or

469
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Speaker 2: could have done that sooner. And it's not like people

470
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Speaker 2: were never raising questions about, well, wait a minute, you know, uh,

471
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Speaker 2: what's going to happen when the when the innings pile up.

472
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Speaker 2: And I was one of the people that actually pushed

473
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Speaker 2: back against that because you know what I said, and

474
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Speaker 2: my friend Chris ryn j km wax was saying that

475
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Speaker 2: pretty early on, and I was kind of like poopoo

476
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Speaker 2: in him, and I said, oh, no, no, no, these

477
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Speaker 2: guys will make sure not to overdo it. They'll they'll

478
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Speaker 2: they'll skip, they'll skip a start. You know, maybe they'll

479
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 2: you know, the skip a start, then a little while

480
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Speaker 2: down the road they'll skip another start. And they didn't,

481
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Speaker 2: you know. So yeah, I'm a little befuddled that by that,

482
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 2: because again, you had McGreevy down there ready to go.

483
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 2: You could have given Libatare a couple of different breaks, like,

484
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:12,479
Speaker 2: I don't understand it's gonna laugh instead of rage. I

485
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 2: just don't understand these people sometimes. I mean, you know,

486
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 2: you know, if you're going to make them a spot starter,

487
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 2: well he can be a spot starter for when you say,

488
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Speaker 2: you know, gosh, you look at the numbers, it looks

489
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 2: like Libby's probably a little worn out. We got to

490
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Speaker 2: give him a blow here. That's what mcgreevy's down there for. Right,

491
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Speaker 2: So I don't know, I don't know. I kind of

492
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 2: give up on this stuff by now, I really do.

493
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Speaker 2: I'm trying to try to make sense of it.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we have stuff trying to do that. It's never

495
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Speaker 3: going to make sense.

496
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Speaker 2: Stop making sense, fucking heads, stop making sense anyway.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good, we just kept guessing. It's okay. I really

498
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Speaker 3: learned a lot.

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Speaker 1: Thinking about when my voice sounded like a normal person jokes, Oh, you're.

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Speaker 2: Right, you're too you're too hard on yourself.

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Speaker 1: No, it's pretty bad, and it's only gonna get worse

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Speaker 1: because I'm recording a crossover episode with Kyle Glaser of

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Speaker 2: By the way, the Twins did beat the Rockies today,

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Speaker 2: so they cooled them down a little bit. For the Cardinals.

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Speaker 2: You know what, we're not doing DraftKings picking someone. But

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to say this. I really want to

539
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Speaker 2: see Polone in this series because the Rockies love to

540
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Speaker 2: hit the ball in the air, obviously, and you know Polonte.

541
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Speaker 2: The one thing about that man groundball, ground ball, ground ball,

542
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Speaker 2: ground ball, ground ball. Everyone can laugh at me later,

543
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Speaker 2: but I think Polonte is gonna have a good start

544
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Speaker 2: out there.

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Speaker 1: That that is a choice, that is the take. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know what, we need some optimism, so.

547
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Speaker 2: Right right, did he start the third game in the series.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, ground ball baby, All right?

549
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Speaker 1: Yeah, can't you know what, I'd be a home run

550
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Speaker 1: if it doesn't leave the ground. So that's that's smart there, Bertie. Look,

551
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: I feel like this series against Diamondbacks kind of started

552
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: the Cardinals sliding to the soft cell mode. I think

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Speaker 1: if they lose the series to the Rockies, it will

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Speaker 1: definitively point that way. But as we just said, nothing's

555
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Speaker 1: for certain with this organization. We know John mozayloc Will

556
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Speaker 1: is comfortable waiting until the last couple of days before

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Speaker 1: definitively deciding. And let me clarify something because I just

558
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Speaker 1: saw this on Twitter. Just because the President Baseball Operations

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Speaker 1: is prepared to wait until ninety six seventy two hours

560
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Speaker 1: to make a definitive decision does not mean that he

561
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Speaker 1: is not preparing or checking in or calling. Come on, people,

562
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Speaker 1: we have to use our brains. I know there's some

563
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: no fatigue here, but you really think he's not on

564
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Speaker 1: the phone with multiple other executives around the league checking

565
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Speaker 1: in on different players, gauging the interest on his own team.

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Speaker 3: Of course he is.

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Speaker 1: He's just not committing a decision until he absolutely has to. Now,

568
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 1: this rocky series, should the Cardinals lose, it will ultimately

569
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Speaker 1: force his hand.

570
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Speaker 3: And I know that he has said, including to me.

571
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Speaker 1: He does not really want to trade a Ryan Helsley

572
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Speaker 1: or a film Aton or a Steven Mattz. They're open

573
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: to trading in Eric Betty regardless of direction, but if

574
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Speaker 1: they're gonna compete, Moe wants to hang on.

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Speaker 3: To his relievers.

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Speaker 1: If they pivot to this soft cell, those are most

577
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Speaker 1: likely the players that are gonna go. I don't see

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00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: the Cardinals trading anyone not on expiring deals. There is

579
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Speaker 1: a huge demn for a reliever market. You think of

580
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 1: any contender or fringe contender, they all want relievers. The Dodgers,

581
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: the Phillies, the Rays. Everyone wants relievers. There will be

582
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: a market for those three. They might not want to

583
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: move them, they might have to. This rocky series, I

584
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Speaker 1: think will give us a much better understanding of the

585
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Speaker 1: direction they'll go next week.

586
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 2: I see, I've already made up my mind, and it's

587
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 2: not prematurely at all, because again I was offering some

588
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 2: stuff here about this before and after picture. You know,

589
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: their last forty four games, and how brutal it's been,

590
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 2: and run differential starting pitching, the offense, like all the

591
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: arrows are pointing way way, way way down. And so

592
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:14,719
Speaker 2: this team as it is right now, even with all

593
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Speaker 2: those players that MO might pitchers, players MO might be

594
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: really wanting to hang on to. It's it's not gonna

595
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: They're not going to make you a good team. The

596
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 2: Cardinals weaknesses have been laid wide open. Everyone knows what

597
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: they are now, and you don't turn those things around,

598
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 2: you might turn them around for a series. To your point, Okay,

599
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 2: go to Colorado. They play a horrible team, Maybe they

600
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: can win the series, maybe they can sweep that. Personally,

601
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: wouldn't change my mind because I'm going back with a

602
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: big body of work. That's you know, getting close to

603
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: fifty games. The other thing is that And if pardon me,

604
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: you know, for just throwing this in here too, but

605
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 2: I did write about it is part of a longer

606
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Speaker 2: column and I mentioned it on video. I think STL

607
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: Sports Central, thank you, you know who would have I

608
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: think surprisingly rich trade value in a very hungry reliever market.

609
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 2: Do Cardinals fans know that since Dusty Blake spotted a

610
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: mechanical flaw that was impacting his delivery, going back to

611
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: late April, it's like it's now twenty six relief appearances.

612
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: Jojo Romero has got an ERA of about zero point

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Speaker 2: forty and he has not allowed an inherited runner to score,

614
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Speaker 2: and he is murder on lefties. And here's the thing,

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Speaker 2: here's why I say they if somebody, if teams want

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Speaker 2: Jojo Romero, and he has been great since late late April,

617
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Speaker 2: you know, the best thing about it For a team

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Speaker 2: that wants him, he's not a rental. He's got one

619
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Speaker 2: more year left after this, so you buy him for

620
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: your push this year, and if you're not set up

621
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Speaker 2: for next year you will. You would have him the

622
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Speaker 2: full twenty twenty six at a reasonable price. So that's

623
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Speaker 2: the kind of guy that I think teams really cut

624
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Speaker 2: rather than just a rental. It's like, well, wait a minute,

625
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Speaker 2: this guy's been pretty good, and we ought to take

626
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Speaker 2: a look at this because we can just put them.

627
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Speaker 2: We know we'll have them for twenty twenty six. So

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Speaker 2: I would just throw that out there and just as

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Speaker 2: a general principal, Katie, you know, and I'm sure you

630
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Speaker 2: agree or agree to a point to me, MO ought

631
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Speaker 2: to just let everybody know that, hey, anybody's available, you know,

632
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Speaker 2: make us an offer. Now, this doesn't mean and I'm

633
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Speaker 2: saying just get rid of everybody. I'm not saying that

634
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Speaker 2: at all. But listen to anybody that wants to make

635
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Speaker 2: you an offer for anyone on your team. You ought

636
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Speaker 2: to listen to. It doesn't mean you have to say yeah, deal,

637
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 2: you listen, right, because you got to listen. Do what

638
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: you can to set this thing up better for hein

639
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Speaker 2: Bloom when he takes over. You know, you got to

640
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Speaker 2: sell a.

641
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Speaker 1: Pint of this year and just keep going the way

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Speaker 1: that they are. Uh, He's going to have to do

643
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Speaker 1: all the work anyway.

644
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: So I mean, if you've got guys on expiring contracts

645
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: or another reliever that gives a new team a full

646
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 2: year of his services, you know, don't hold onto these guys.

647
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 2: You're not You're not going to beat out these other

648
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 2: teams for a wild card spot. No, I mean your

649
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 2: less almost fifty games just proves how far you have collapsed, basically,

650
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: And that's what I'm going on. And I know as

651
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 2: soon as they win, like you know, three of four

652
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 2: games or for six games, people are going to be like,

653
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 2: oh see see No, I've already seen it. You know,

654
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: this pitch to contact staff. It just shows you, as

655
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 2: we all knew the perils of expecting them to be

656
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 2: able to kind of dodge all these balls in play,

657
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: you know, for an entire season, and they weren't able to.

658
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: They weren't able to pull off that magic trick. They

659
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 2: actually pulled it off for a very long time to

660
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: their credit, but it did.

661
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: They did an exceptional job in the beginning of the season, right, But.

662
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: The reality is that's going to catch up to you

663
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: because you just can't keep dancing dancing around all these

664
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: hard hit balls everywhere. You know. I don't know, so

665
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: I'm totally in the cell Cell cell.

666
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: Mode and I'm with you on Jojo Romero. I didn't

667
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: think about that, but he'll be heading into his final

668
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: year of arbitration in twenty twenty six. He's going to

669
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: be oh, the most money there. The Cardinals are in

670
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: a cost cutting phase. They do this with Tommy Ed

671
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: then I'm obviously a different scenario, but I could see

672
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: Jojo Romero having a lot of value there and maybe

673
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are fid to listen.

674
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 3: We'll see how the rocking the.

675
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: Series goes, and then I fully expect we'll have a

676
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: much better understanding of the trade online picture from the

677
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: Saint Louis side after the series. I'll be back with

678
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: the team, whether they like it or not, starting tomorrow.

679
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: So it'd be nice to actually have some boots on

680
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: the ground for the first time in a week and

681
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: try to figure out what exactly is going on and

682
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: what's a fair expectation over the next ten days.

683
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: No matter what, it will not be boring. So we

684
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 3: have that.

685
00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:01,479
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. Well, and I really mean this.

686
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: It's been a fascinating season. It's been a really interesting season,

687
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: and the Cardinals really played good ball, and they were

688
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: they were a very likable team for most of the way.

689
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 2: But I just think it's the classic case of like,

690
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 2: you know, they're kind of out over their skis now

691
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: and they've been exposed that, you know, the vulnerabilities have

692
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 2: just no longer can be concealed. They're just out there

693
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: in the open, you know. So so reality is like

694
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: kind of knocking you upside the head. You know. There's

695
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: that's really the bottom line. It doesn't mean these players

696
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: are worthless. It doesn't mean they're garbage. It doesn't know

697
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: it's listen, you know. I I the people that thought, hey,

698
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: this team, you know, they're gonna have a losing record,

699
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: they may even lose eighty seven, eighty eight games whatever,

700
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: those were not outrageously negative opinions because you look at

701
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: you look at all the questions in this whole runway

702
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: winning runway winning and then being stubborn, you know, by

703
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: keeping you know, Fatti and Michael, listen, your rotation, you

704
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: hold back one of your runway starters. I mean, this

705
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: whole this whole thing has been weird, and I think

706
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: that for the most part they've gotten they've gotten. I

707
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 2: think they've gotten a lot lot out of this roster

708
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: and that and that and that part should not be forgotten.

709
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 2: Am I down on them now?

710
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: Yeah?

711
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 2: I am, because I didn't like the way they came

712
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 2: out in Arizona and they were flat and they had

713
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: no no energy. That's inexcusable. But they they actually squeezed

714
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: quite quite a bit out of this this poorly constructed

715
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: roster and also this mission statement that was confusing to everybody.

716
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: You know, so I don't lose sight of that. I'm

717
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: not gonna, you know, basically sit here and say everything's

718
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 2: a failure. No. No, there's been some good discoveries. Yeah,

719
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: there's been some good discoveries this year. That was part

720
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 2: of the.

721
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 3: Season was discover what you have.

722
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,919
Speaker 1: I think there are plenty of players that you can

723
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: look to build around for next year, starting with Brendan Donovan.

724
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: You have some exciting talent and triple A. Look just

725
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: because the Cardinals should probably soft sell, mainly because I

726
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: don't think there's a single move they could make to

727
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: improve their team to be surefire contenders at the deadline anyway, right,

728
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that this is a failure of a season.

729
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 3: In the long term.

730
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: I still think the Cardinals did the right thing this

731
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: year in trying to see what they had in house.

732
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 1: And if in house your talent did not project out

733
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: to what you thought it would be, at least you

734
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: know that now, so now you can focus on trying

735
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: to build in within, try to upgrade your player development system,

736
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: try to find something an offload talent that won't be

737
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: here next year, and try to get something to spin

738
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: it forward. Doesn't mean it's a failure of a season.

739
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: It's so difficult, but we have to keep the long

740
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: term view and focus here. And that's why hope happens

741
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: at this year's straight deadline.

742
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: But they that's why they've got to get something out

743
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: of the players that are going to be leaving. They

744
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 2: just have to. Because even if you make three or

745
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 2: four deals and none of them are quote blockbusters, it's

746
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: kind of the cumulative effect of who you add, you know,

747
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: and you might get really lucky on a prospect or two.

748
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: But I think this frankly, I think the season is

749
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 2: a failure. If you don't sell at the deadline.

750
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 3: That I would agree with.

751
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 2: And if most you know, he's hemming and hauling and hesitating,

752
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: and you know at that point the Dewitz have to

753
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 2: just say no first time ever. They're not ordering you

754
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: to sell, They're not, but they should.

755
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 3: Will not do that. I mean, you and I both

756
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 3: know that.

757
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: I mean it's like, how much more damage do you

758
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: want to do to your own franchise?

759
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: Right that I would, I would totally agree, that would

760
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: completely I think ruin this season if the Cardinals did

761
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: not capitalize and try to stay on the long term

762
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: view this again, like we just said, this is not

763
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: a team where it's one trade away from being a contender. Okay,

764
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: that's not who they are this year. That's okay, but

765
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: don't try to fool people into thinking that it is.

766
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: Look around the stadium, you think fans don't know that already?

767
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,479
Speaker 1: They pull the span base into thinking that this team

768
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: is something more than it is. Let's do the smart thing,

769
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: Let's keep the four of.

770
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 3: The eyes on the future. We'll see how the Rocky

771
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 3: series go goes.

772
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: But I have an indication that the Cardinals are leaning

773
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 1: more towards a soft sell than before, so we'll see

774
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:07,959
Speaker 1: Brainy and I can break it down after the Rocky

775
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: series will be fun.

776
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 2: We'll take care of your voice.

777
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 1: Yes, nobody needs to hear all right, Core being back

778
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: with you from Colorado. We'll have a crossover episode after

779
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: that again with Pager's Territory. Kyle Blazer does an amazing

780
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: job there, Bernie. I'll be back with you at some

781
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: point next week. Maybe this next series will go better

782
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: than the last one, low bar, but you know, let's

783
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: try it out.

784
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 3: O Kat, you thanks for watching. Cardinals Territory out soon