Speaker 1: Good morning everyone. I hope you had a RESTful Friday
Speaker 1: night's sleep, so you can listen to your Saturday Select
Speaker 1: episode on sleep walking. I myself was a bit of
Speaker 1: a sleepwalker when I was younger, and I talked about
Speaker 1: it in this very episode from August. Welcome to Stuff
Speaker 1: You Should Know, a production of My Heart Radios How
Speaker 1: Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark.
Speaker 1: There's Charles w Chuck Bryant. It makes this Stuff you
Speaker 1: should know. Um the late night edition. It's late. Let's
Speaker 1: go and Chuck great, awesome, it could be better. How
Speaker 1: are you same? Just the same? So, Chuck, I got
Speaker 1: a story for you. Let's hear it. Back in eight
Speaker 1: in a little town called Weymouth, Massachusetts, although Massachusetts they
Speaker 1: probably pronounced it in some radically different way than it
Speaker 1: would be spelled woman or Worcester or something weird like that. Um,
Speaker 1: there was a woman named um Maria Ann Bickford, and
Speaker 1: she was a prostitute. And she was discovered on October
Speaker 1: that year, murdered and brutally murdered. Actually uh. And it
Speaker 1: was quickly traced back to a guy by the name
Speaker 1: of Albert Terrell. Jack the ripper. No, but it was
Speaker 1: ripper asque. Her head was severed or almost completely severed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was with the knife. Um. But the the
Speaker 1: reason everybody knew it was Albert Terrell was because that
Speaker 1: was her boyfriend and he had left his wife for her.
Speaker 1: He was a wealthy guy in Massachusetts and he left
Speaker 1: his wife to be with Maria Anne Bickford. Um. And
Speaker 1: he wanted her to quit the quit the job. I
Speaker 1: guess you could call it. I would say that too. Well,
Speaker 1: she didn't. She liked having a an income because she
Speaker 1: didn't have to depend on any man for um, whatever
Speaker 1: she wanted, and she refused. And ironic though, because she
Speaker 1: was depending on men. Yeah, that is very ironic actually. Um.
Speaker 1: She uh ultimately died, was murdered, and it was Albert
Speaker 1: Terrell who who admitted to doing it, but he was sleepwalking.
Speaker 1: He said it was pretty thin case. But he was
Speaker 1: ultimately acquitted, even though he had set three fires in
Speaker 1: the brothel in an obvious attempt to cover up what
Speaker 1: he had done while he was still supposedly sleepwalking. But
Speaker 1: the jury bought it, and one of the reasons they
Speaker 1: bought it was because it was a jury of wealthy
Speaker 1: white men who weren't about to put one of their
Speaker 1: own behind bars as big of a crook as he was.
Speaker 1: But secondly, because in eighteen forty five, we didn't really
Speaker 1: understand sleepwalking. We didn't understand what people were capable of,
Speaker 1: we didn't understand how so walking worked. And I know
Speaker 1: you sent me an article as recently as a month
Speaker 1: or so ago a guy in Arizona was acquitted of
Speaker 1: sexual assault because he was sleepwalking. Right, yeah, it was Illinois,
Speaker 1: but um, that was today. The news articles from today
Speaker 1: even better, even more recent, which makes my point even
Speaker 1: more thorough, which is we don't understand sleepwalking too terribly
Speaker 1: much more than we did in eighteen five as far
Speaker 1: as explaining why it happens, right, abstely, But there are
Speaker 1: some really interesting aspects of this, uh, this sleep disorder
Speaker 1: which is called the paras omnia. Right, yes, it's that's
Speaker 1: one of many, but it's called somnambulism. Specifically sleepwalking is
Speaker 1: and not to be confused with batum, no, not at all. Uh.
Speaker 1: And there's an official definition if you want to look
Speaker 1: in a mental health professional handbook called M four. Uh.
Speaker 1: You leave your bed while you're sleeping and you find it.
Speaker 1: Others find it difficult to wake you. When you're sleep sleepwalking,
Speaker 1: you can't remember what happened afterward. Uh, you're confused when
Speaker 1: you wake up. You aren't suffering from dementia or anything
Speaker 1: else physical. That's a big one. And it impairs your
Speaker 1: social life, or work life, or your life. And that's
Speaker 1: for straight up sleepwalking. There are sleepwalking can be a
Speaker 1: symptom of things like dementia or Parkinson's or something like that.
Speaker 1: But that's um kind of significant, and I should think
Speaker 1: that it's found in the d S M four, which
Speaker 1: is the psychological Bible. Right, So it's it's considered a disorder,
Speaker 1: a disorder of arousal, I think is what it's called. Right, Yes,
Speaker 1: so chuck while you're sleeping. Um, when does this occur?
Speaker 1: When does it take place? Uh, if you're an adult
Speaker 1: or actually kids too, I think it occurs in the
Speaker 1: first third of your sleep, which is the non r
Speaker 1: M sleep, which is when your body is, uh, you're
Speaker 1: in your deepest state of sleep, but your body is
Speaker 1: kind of awake, so you're tossing and turning a lot,
Speaker 1: but your brain is shut down. So it's sort of
Speaker 1: the opposite of rim sleep, right, you've got non r
Speaker 1: E M in R E M sleep right, and um,
Speaker 1: usually sleepwalking occurs during the deepest part, which is what
Speaker 1: I think phase three or four or possibly three and
Speaker 1: four when as Kitty Lambert, who wrote this article put it, um,
Speaker 1: with R E M sleep, your brains active but your
Speaker 1: body is not. With non r EM sleep, which is
Speaker 1: when sleepwalking occurs, your brain is just dead to the world,
Speaker 1: but your body is still moving around, which accounts for sleepwalking. Right,
Speaker 1: perfect recap, thanks a lot. Uh. And you know your
Speaker 1: brain is also resistant to arousal when you're asleep, so
Speaker 1: that explains why it's hard to wake somebody up when
Speaker 1: you're sleepwalking. But it's not dangerous necessarily. No, And that's
Speaker 1: a question that we should probably just go ahead. And
Speaker 1: or should you wake a sleepwalker? You've you've heard warnings
Speaker 1: against that kind of thing, I think on everything from
Speaker 1: the Brady Bunch to Hawaii five. Oh. Let's say, okay, uh,
Speaker 1: myth Yes, you can wake a sleepwalker. But the rule
Speaker 1: I put in is wake a sleepwalker like you would
Speaker 1: want to be awakened just from bed. Don't go shaking
Speaker 1: them or anything. You wouldn't do that to somebody laying
Speaker 1: in bed asleep either they'll probably have a heart attack,
Speaker 1: so be gentle and try and guide them back to
Speaker 1: the bed. If they wake up, that's fine, but it's
Speaker 1: not it's not like a danger they're gonna have a
Speaker 1: heart attack if they and die if they're awaked from sleepwalking. No,
Speaker 1: but you could aroused their startle response, and um, they
Speaker 1: are going to be confused and not know what's going on. That's,
Speaker 1: like you said, one of the symptoms of sleepwalking. Um.
Speaker 1: But if you do manage to get the sleepwalker back
Speaker 1: to bed and they lie back down and that's it,
Speaker 1: you can pretty much rest assured that there's not going
Speaker 1: to be another incident like that because most people sleepwalk
Speaker 1: only wants per night. Interestingly, that's what they say, and
Speaker 1: thirty seconds to a half hour. I've heard it even
Speaker 1: longer than that, because it very much depends on what's
Speaker 1: going on or maybe what you feel like you have
Speaker 1: to get done while you're walking around in your sleep.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be sort of zombiefied, but you're not gonna
Speaker 1: be walking around with your arms out in front of
Speaker 1: you like in the movies. That's a bunch of bunk
Speaker 1: um and you're probably gonna be pretty clumsy, but you
Speaker 1: can still perform activities, which is kind of the weird
Speaker 1: thing about it. One of the weird things about it, Right,
Speaker 1: you just perform them clumsily or you get oddly, I
Speaker 1: guess is another way to put it. Yeah, um, and
Speaker 1: sleepwalking is one of these. It's a hilarious disorder really
Speaker 1: because it's not generally that dangerous. It doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be that dangerous, although it can put you in dangerous
Speaker 1: situations and people have been hurt um in sleepwalking. But
Speaker 1: the idea of just, you know, interacting with somebody with
Speaker 1: a glassy eyed look on their face who's clumsily playing
Speaker 1: the guitar, right, It's that's a funny disorder. It's even chance.
Speaker 1: I haven't either. I've never been much of a sleepwalker.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever sleepwalked. I've sleepwalked, but I've
Speaker 1: never interacted with someone who was sleepwalking. So yeah, I've
Speaker 1: done it myself. Though. It's good. It's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: But it's one of these conditions where we have all
Speaker 1: this evidence, in all this data, we just haven't been
Speaker 1: able to fully put it together, to figure it out
Speaker 1: once and for all, which makes for a better podcast
Speaker 1: for us. Right. Um, A little bit more data that
Speaker 1: we have on at Chuck is that UM sleepwalking tends
Speaker 1: to run in families. Children sleepwalk more than adults by far. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're ten times more likely if your family, uh, if
Speaker 1: you have a family member who has sleptwalked to be
Speaker 1: a sleepwalker yourself. So is it slept walked or sleepwalked
Speaker 1: slept walk? Sure, that sounds good to me. We'll just
Speaker 1: call it s W past tense. Uh, it's more often
Speaker 1: is founding kids. Obviously, it's something you usually outgrow. Uh,
Speaker 1: more often identical twins, which I thought was pretty interesting. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: gene expression at all. And uh, I think they said
Speaker 1: adults two point five to four percent of adults sleepwalk,
Speaker 1: and this is they're almost always uh, adults who slept
Speaker 1: walked as children. And if you start sleepwalking for the
Speaker 1: first time as an adult, you might want to like
Speaker 1: get that checked out. You definitely want to get that
Speaker 1: checked out, because again, it can be a symptom of
Speaker 1: another another problem like UM Parkinson's, Alzheimer's UM. Severe stress
Speaker 1: I think has been associated with it, not just in
Speaker 1: children or not adults, but children too, which I'm I
Speaker 1: was kind of like, if you have a child who's
Speaker 1: suffering from sleepwalking and it's stress related, what are you
Speaker 1: doing to your poor kid? To where the kids suffering
Speaker 1: from such stress that he's running around at night? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I wonder what I was stressed about. I don't know, man.
Speaker 1: I find it odd that you haven't asked me about
Speaker 1: sleepwalking yet, even though I said three times that have
Speaker 1: slept walked. And I'm trying to drum up the tension. Uh.
Speaker 1: They used to think that, um, it was like an
Speaker 1: epileptic thing or hysteria. Well, it still is associated with epilepsy. Actually,
Speaker 1: hysteria is kind of out the window though. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: still think it's caused by epilepsy though it's associated with
Speaker 1: it still. Yeah, I did not know that we should
Speaker 1: change this article. Uh. And like you said, no one
Speaker 1: knows exactly why it's happening, um, but they can just
Speaker 1: say kind of what goes on when it does happen, right, Right,
Speaker 1: We have all this information that hasn't been fully put together,
Speaker 1: which again I find fascinating. Yeah, absolutely so, chuck. Um,
Speaker 1: what are some of the I guess competing theories for
Speaker 1: why we sleepwalk? Uh? Well, it's a lot of people
Speaker 1: think it's just like you're in a transition stage between
Speaker 1: being awake and being asleep. So if you've got a
Speaker 1: dead brain, we'll not dead. If you've got a very
Speaker 1: sleepy brain and a very wired body, uh, you could
Speaker 1: potentially get triggered, they think a lot of times. I
Speaker 1: saw this one study where um, they took ten sleepwalkers
Speaker 1: and um they kept them awake for more than twenty
Speaker 1: four hours and then allow them to sleep, and they
Speaker 1: found that a buzzer going off. All ten people got
Speaker 1: up and slept walked when they heard this buzzer. Weird.
Speaker 1: After sleep deprivation and before during just regular sleep, three
Speaker 1: out of ten were triggered by the buzzer. So they
Speaker 1: think that like any noise like a dog barking outside
Speaker 1: could like wake you up, wake your body up, and
Speaker 1: send you doing whatever. Good yea uh, And sleep deprivation
Speaker 1: is a magic term as far as sleepwalking goes. They
Speaker 1: found that um sleepwalking increases dramatically and in studies when
Speaker 1: they're sleep deprived, when the person sleep deprived first. And
Speaker 1: they recommend also that if your kid um is sleepwalking,
Speaker 1: you should not only decrease their stress somehow maybe let
Speaker 1: them give up the trumpet if they really hate it, right, um,
Speaker 1: But also to get them on like a regular sleep
Speaker 1: schedule too, that that could be part of it as well,
Speaker 1: that they may just be sleep deprived and stressed out
Speaker 1: adults to little kids show. Um. Another theory with the
Speaker 1: kids is that there's all kinds of crazy hormones being
Speaker 1: shot about the body during the night and that that
Speaker 1: may disrupt the kid And that's why that would explain
Speaker 1: why it like tapers off after puberty. Yes, Um, have
Speaker 1: you ever liked done something to say, driving or walking
Speaker 1: or doing anything where you realized you got somewhere and
Speaker 1: you hadn't been paying attention. You didn't really It wasn't
Speaker 1: like you're blacked out or you're drunk or impaired or anything,
Speaker 1: but you were just distracted or doing something else daydreaming. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: So I would imagine that that has a lot to
Speaker 1: do with how we could possibly sleepwalk. It's like maybe
Speaker 1: more basic part of our brain is activated, like the
Speaker 1: brainstem with that controls like breathing, walking, that kind of stuff. Correct,
Speaker 1: So maybe it's all brainstem makes sense to me. Uh,
Speaker 1: people have actually killed pepe bowl in their sleep. Like
Speaker 1: you said the first guy, Uh, there was someone else
Speaker 1: who And it kind of depends on the case. From
Speaker 1: what I've seen, some of them get acquitted, some of
Speaker 1: them get convicted. One guy stabbed his wife forty five
Speaker 1: times and he was convicted. Another guy I murdered his
Speaker 1: father and he was acquitted. So I guess it's sort
Speaker 1: of a crap shoot. There hasn't been any You can't
Speaker 1: go to a law book and say, well, we gotta
Speaker 1: we have the sleepwalking defense, like the insanity plea. No,
Speaker 1: but um, I think that, uh, you could probably find
Speaker 1: the same um state witness or defense witness in the
Speaker 1: acquittals or or um convictions. But there's some like great
Speaker 1: professional witness out there, like can convince any jury that actually,
Speaker 1: if you're sleepwalking, can't you can't possibly know what you're
Speaker 1: doing right. Well, the guy from Illinois last week that
Speaker 1: was acquitted was I think they proved that he had
Speaker 1: a long history of sleepwalking. And this was some friend
Speaker 1: of his. He like went out to rinking with her
Speaker 1: and slept crashed on her couch and then he said
Speaker 1: he woke up to some guy punching him in the face.
Speaker 1: She said that guy was the guy I called because
Speaker 1: you were assaulting me in my sleep and he was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't mean it, and they said, okay. Yeah. It
Speaker 1: took him like a couple of hours or something to decide. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the jury, Yeah that was really fast. I thought so too.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. There has to have been somebody
Speaker 1: who convinced them and just laid it all out for him,
Speaker 1: because it's not like the average juror knows a lot
Speaker 1: about sleepwalking. It's all you know, the cabinet of Dr
Speaker 1: Kelgary or right again, the Brady Bunch. Yeah, who Who's
Speaker 1: who was that? I don't remember. I just remember there
Speaker 1: was a sleepwalking episode and seems like I could be
Speaker 1: making it up. You talked about injury and U I
Speaker 1: saw a study in England that eleven percent of people
Speaker 1: that responded sleepwalkers said they have been injured. And it's
Speaker 1: usually like bruising or cuts, but I think eleven percent
Speaker 1: of that eleven percent actually broke bones well, which is
Speaker 1: not a happy way to wake up out with night.
Speaker 1: That's why skaff you shouldn't chuck. Sleepwalking is not the
Speaker 1: only paras omnia. Remember we called it paras omnia. It's
Speaker 1: a sleep disorder. There are other paras omnias, And the
Speaker 1: first then I think we should talk about, is called
Speaker 1: somnambulistic sexual behavior inexplicably UM, abbreviated as SPS. Yeah, that's weird.
Speaker 1: I wonder what the BE stands for. I guess that's
Speaker 1: part of the ballistic Maybe that's the Spanish UM, the
Speaker 1: Spanish abbreviation. It's some nambulistic behavior sex you all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so sleep sex or sex insomnia is UM, Like Katie
Speaker 1: says in here, it's pretty much what you think. It's
Speaker 1: being asleep in the middle of the night and either
Speaker 1: you know, masturbating or doing something to whoever is nearby, right, sexually, yes,
Speaker 1: and again that can lead you to an assault conviction,
Speaker 1: or you can wake up very happy, depending on the situation. Right.
Speaker 1: And then of course there's the very very famous sleep eating,
Speaker 1: which one generally associates these days with the sleep aid ambient, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: eating all kinds of crazy things with ambient cigarettes and
Speaker 1: raw meat. I think we've talked about it before. It
Speaker 1: seems like, yeah, we've talked about it. Kristen congerrote article
Speaker 1: on it, and um, apparently the chemical zolpidem in ambient
Speaker 1: like crosses the eating and the sleeping wires and like
Speaker 1: one in a thousand people and they don't know why.
Speaker 1: But I also found another stat that said one in
Speaker 1: one percent of people have sleep eating disorders anyway, so
Speaker 1: I can't you know, Well, there's reports of people who
Speaker 1: have been on ambient and then switched to another similar
Speaker 1: drug and it said that it all went away. There,
Speaker 1: sleep eating, abnormal sleep behavior. And then there was the
Speaker 1: first case of well the first documented case of a
Speaker 1: woman who was on ambient UM who sleep emailed. And
Speaker 1: I can't stand the um the term the media gave it,
Speaker 1: but Z mailing with three Z people. Yeah, it's completely awful.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, that was pretty cool because she emailed. She
Speaker 1: fired up her computer in the middle of the night,
Speaker 1: logged in to the internet. Onto the internet, she had
Speaker 1: to UM use her password to use her password, and
Speaker 1: sent several emails that apparently were a random mix of
Speaker 1: upper and lower cases, and they were written in some
Speaker 1: strange language, although when I read the first email, it
Speaker 1: didn't seem very strange to me at all. Uh No,
Speaker 1: it said, um, this is a quote. Come tomorrow and
Speaker 1: sort this hellhole out. Dinner and drinks four pm. Bring
Speaker 1: wine and keV Are only it seems like a very
Speaker 1: normal email to me. I've sent that same very same
Speaker 1: email before. What about the second one? Yeah, one said
Speaker 1: what the dot dot dot I think, but it was
Speaker 1: the mix of all caps in lower case that really
Speaker 1: just kinda that had to be a little off putting
Speaker 1: to see that. It looks like brain damage, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like brain damage and text form. She's probably seen
Speaker 1: a doctor by this point, I would say, although she
Speaker 1: was on ambient right, Yeah, okay, well that probably explains
Speaker 1: that zolpi um like you said. And then also this week,
Speaker 1: very sadly, a guy fell. He basically walked off of
Speaker 1: his third story hotel room in Majorca and just like
Speaker 1: broke a leg. Hit his head too, and hit his
Speaker 1: head and his girlfriend just like this, she woke up
Speaker 1: to find her boyfriend had gone out the window. Awful.
Speaker 1: That's more than a bruise, my friend. And if you
Speaker 1: like connecting podcasts, there was a guy um in England
Speaker 1: in hart old Pool right and on um Holy Island
Speaker 1: at the Crown and Anchor on Holy Island off north
Speaker 1: the Northumberland coast. He woke up in quicksand actually he's
Speaker 1: sleep He drank too much. But then he he sleepwalked.
Speaker 1: He s w pass tensed um into the marsh land
Speaker 1: and found himself waking up in the sinking and quicksandard
Speaker 1: and trapped in quicksand And the guy was smart enough
Speaker 1: to know that you stopped struggling and lie flat and
Speaker 1: he would listen. Was a fan. Wouldn't that be something?
Speaker 1: It's possible check because this just happened, right, it was,
Speaker 1: um August eleven. I wonder so, as sleepwalker Stephen Rook,
Speaker 1: if you listen to this podcast, let us know if
Speaker 1: we saved your life and put the bottle down. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: he said he did. He said he spent the next
Speaker 1: day in bed and uh, he was avoiding alcohol for
Speaker 1: a long time and wants to thank everyone. A friend said, yeah,
Speaker 1: he'll be back on the sauce this weekend. Totally. I've
Speaker 1: said that before too. Uh. My uncle actually was a
Speaker 1: famous sleepwalker in my family. He um, my uncle Steve,
Speaker 1: who you know as the guy who's helped us out
Speaker 1: before with some stuff, the guy we bought Scotch four
Speaker 1: a k a h. He had a few incidents is
Speaker 1: when he was young, and one time they found tracks
Speaker 1: in the snow leading from his house, so he went.
Speaker 1: Apparently he said he went outside see if it was snowing.
Speaker 1: Another time, he fell asleep on the couch after school,
Speaker 1: got up an eate dinner, and then later on woke
Speaker 1: up and said, hey, what's for dinner tonight? And they're like,
Speaker 1: you just had scallops. And another time specifically, that's what
Speaker 1: he said, I asked him today. Uh. And then another
Speaker 1: time he was going to the store with my grandfather
Speaker 1: and he fell asleep in the car on the way
Speaker 1: to the store and then woke up like in the
Speaker 1: shop that they were going to, like, at the counter
Speaker 1: paying for something weird. What was he buying? I think
Speaker 1: he said tickets to like a Danny Thomas benefit show
Speaker 1: or something. It's like the early sixties. Yeah, pretty much
Speaker 1: everybody was sleep walking in that line. Yeah that's a
Speaker 1: hot ticket in MEMPHISO back in the day. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, And I used to sleep walk, all right.
Speaker 1: Let's hear well. A couple of times I'd gotten up
Speaker 1: and just gone out to my We had a split level,
Speaker 1: so I'd go out to the banister overlooking our den
Speaker 1: and just start yelling things. And um. Another time I
Speaker 1: specifically remember I got up I mean I remember after it, obviously,
Speaker 1: I got up and I got ready for school and
Speaker 1: took a shower and got dressed, and then I woke
Speaker 1: up the next morning. I was like, that was weird.
Speaker 1: I must have dreamt that. And I saw like the
Speaker 1: wet towel in my clothes on the floor, down your head,
Speaker 1: your saddle, shoes on your like I was like clutching shampoo.
Speaker 1: So I don't sleep walk anymore. Them I sleep talk, though,
Speaker 1: do you? So? It's Emily. It's a lot of people
Speaker 1: sleep talk. That's no big deal. Yeah, what are you
Speaker 1: say in your sleep? Um? You? Me actually likes to
Speaker 1: use her iPhone to record me sleep talking, and she
Speaker 1: loves to share it with everybody who will listen. Has
Speaker 1: actually emailed the soundclips to people before. But there's this
Speaker 1: one of me like just muttering and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I go to real pop and that was it. I
Speaker 1: have no idea. Why why am I not on that email?
Speaker 1: That's disappointing. I don't know. I'm sure I could get
Speaker 1: it for you. Chuck, lastic Chuck. There's one a point
Speaker 1: that I found fascinating, which is people have always thought
Speaker 1: and still probably think because we're dumb that, um, you
Speaker 1: act out your dreams while you're sleepwalking. Not true. The
Speaker 1: point that Katie Lambert makes is your brain is not
Speaker 1: really active. It's it's in the slow delta wave that
Speaker 1: you couldn't possibly be dreaming in, so you're not actually
Speaker 1: acting out your dreams. But there is a disorder called
Speaker 1: R E M sleep disorder where you actually are acting
Speaker 1: out your dreams. It's the it's a sleepwalking that occurs
Speaker 1: in that in that phase of sleep, the R E
Speaker 1: M phase where your brains active but your body is
Speaker 1: not supposed to be, so you are really wound up.
Speaker 1: If you have the R A M sleep disorder, you
Speaker 1: really need to give up the trumpet immediately. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: when you wake up in your your dreaming that you're
Speaker 1: you know, cutting wood for the fire, and you're like
Speaker 1: chopping your wife's leg with your hand exactly, and she guess,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? That's not what she's saying, Sam,
Speaker 1: cutting wood, babe, You say, I'm correcting you. All right,
Speaker 1: Well that's it for sleepwalking. UM. I can virtually guarantee
Speaker 1: you guys will email us your sleepwalking story, so please do.
Speaker 1: If you want to learn more about sleep walking and
Speaker 1: read a page that didn't make it into this podcast
Speaker 1: at all about sleepwalking in the organically did not make
Speaker 1: it in. I guess you could call it organic. Well
Speaker 1: we didn't say let's not include that. Just go ahead
Speaker 1: and type in sleep walking that's one word, or try
Speaker 1: s w past tense and see what happens. Um into
Speaker 1: the handy search bar at how stuff first dot Com
Speaker 1: and I said I wasn't going to use handy anymore
Speaker 1: either way. This we arrived at listener mail. That's right, Josh,
Speaker 1: gonna call this uh pot growing Granny And this is
Speaker 1: from k M Yes cryptic. Hi guys, I literally just
Speaker 1: finished listening to your how grow houses work and I
Speaker 1: couldn't resist sending in this story. My grandmother has always
Speaker 1: been an avid gardener and avid gardener. She was very
Speaker 1: interested in pretty plants and had learned at some point
Speaker 1: that marijuana was a very beautiful plant. Uh So she
Speaker 1: decided she wanted to grow some just for the sole
Speaker 1: purpose of seeing what it looked like firsthand. Now where
Speaker 1: would a middle aged woman in eastern Pennsylvania get seeds
Speaker 1: to grow pot from my college age mother? Of course?
Speaker 1: My mom, though, was not a smoker by any means,
Speaker 1: so when she asked to find she was asked to
Speaker 1: find pot seeds. She of course pawned the task off
Speaker 1: to to her frat frat member boyfriend, who later would
Speaker 1: become my father. My father was also not a smoker,
Speaker 1: but he had a frat brother that was known to
Speaker 1: partake in this particular lifestyle, and he has always only
Speaker 1: been known as bob Oh in my family, which I
Speaker 1: think is pretty cryptic. So Babo got him some seeds
Speaker 1: for the grandmother. She planted him began growing pot in
Speaker 1: her yard, to the dismay of my grandfather, who was
Speaker 1: good friends with the chief of police and the mayor.
Speaker 1: The plants grew beautifully in the open air of my
Speaker 1: grandmother's garden. They lived pretty close to the center of
Speaker 1: the city. As far as I know, there was no
Speaker 1: attempt to obscure them from being seen. The plug was
Speaker 1: pulled though, when my grandfather decided that come winter the world.
Speaker 1: The grandmother said, we gotta bring him inside this winter,
Speaker 1: and Granddad says, no, we're not bringing those inside. So
Speaker 1: they went through the compost pod or that's what That's
Speaker 1: what the kid was told. In her glaucoma got much
Speaker 1: worse right yeah, well, thanks for that. Who wrote that,
Speaker 1: km KM? Thank you k M for your cryptic email.
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