WEBVTT - SYSK Selects: How Sleepwalking Works 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:03.320 Good morning everyone. I hope you had a RESTful Friday 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:05.640 night's sleep, so you can listen to your Saturday Select 0:00:05.680 --> 0:00:08.879 episode on sleep walking. I myself was a bit of 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:11.080 a sleepwalker when I was younger, and I talked about 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:20.320 it in this very episode from August. Welcome to Stuff 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:22.880 You Should Know, a production of My Heart Radios How 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:32.040 Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:35.239 There's Charles w Chuck Bryant. It makes this Stuff you 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:43.160 should know. Um the late night edition. It's late. Let's 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:46.599 go and Chuck great, awesome, it could be better. How 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:51.320 are you same? Just the same? So, Chuck, I got 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:55.560 a story for you. Let's hear it. Back in eight 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:00.880 in a little town called Weymouth, Massachusetts, although Massachusetts they 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:03.880 probably pronounced it in some radically different way than it 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:10.680 would be spelled woman or Worcester or something weird like that. Um, 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:15.720 there was a woman named um Maria Ann Bickford, and 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:19.600 she was a prostitute. And she was discovered on October 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:25.640 that year, murdered and brutally murdered. Actually uh. And it 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:30.080 was quickly traced back to a guy by the name 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:34.520 of Albert Terrell. Jack the ripper. No, but it was 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:39.320 ripper asque. Her head was severed or almost completely severed. Yeah, 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:42.560 and it was with the knife. Um. But the the 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.400 reason everybody knew it was Albert Terrell was because that 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.680 was her boyfriend and he had left his wife for her. 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:51.080 He was a wealthy guy in Massachusetts and he left 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:54.960 his wife to be with Maria Anne Bickford. Um. And 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:58.080 he wanted her to quit the quit the job. I 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:01.640 guess you could call it. I would say that too. Well, 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:05.120 she didn't. She liked having a an income because she 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:09.280 didn't have to depend on any man for um, whatever 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:12.720 she wanted, and she refused. And ironic though, because she 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:18.120 was depending on men. Yeah, that is very ironic actually. Um. 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:23.200 She uh ultimately died, was murdered, and it was Albert 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:27.400 Terrell who who admitted to doing it, but he was sleepwalking. 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.679 He said it was pretty thin case. But he was 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:34.800 ultimately acquitted, even though he had set three fires in 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:38.320 the brothel in an obvious attempt to cover up what 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.280 he had done while he was still supposedly sleepwalking. But 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:43.200 the jury bought it, and one of the reasons they 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:45.480 bought it was because it was a jury of wealthy 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:47.200 white men who weren't about to put one of their 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:50.240 own behind bars as big of a crook as he was. 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:54.679 But secondly, because in eighteen forty five, we didn't really 0:02:54.760 --> 0:02:58.280 understand sleepwalking. We didn't understand what people were capable of, 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:02.280 we didn't understand how so walking worked. And I know 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:06.560 you sent me an article as recently as a month 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.800 or so ago a guy in Arizona was acquitted of 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:13.760 sexual assault because he was sleepwalking. Right, yeah, it was Illinois, 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:17.760 but um, that was today. The news articles from today 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.440 even better, even more recent, which makes my point even 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:24.920 more thorough, which is we don't understand sleepwalking too terribly 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:28.240 much more than we did in eighteen five as far 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:32.240 as explaining why it happens, right, abstely, But there are 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:36.080 some really interesting aspects of this, uh, this sleep disorder 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:39.720 which is called the paras omnia. Right, yes, it's that's 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:44.480 one of many, but it's called somnambulism. Specifically sleepwalking is 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:50.000 and not to be confused with batum, no, not at all. Uh. 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:52.160 And there's an official definition if you want to look 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:58.120 in a mental health professional handbook called M four. Uh. 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:01.840 You leave your bed while you're sleeping and you find it. 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:05.360 Others find it difficult to wake you. When you're sleep sleepwalking, 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:09.720 you can't remember what happened afterward. Uh, you're confused when 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:12.840 you wake up. You aren't suffering from dementia or anything 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:15.960 else physical. That's a big one. And it impairs your 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:19.640 social life, or work life, or your life. And that's 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:23.159 for straight up sleepwalking. There are sleepwalking can be a 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:28.080 symptom of things like dementia or Parkinson's or something like that. 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:31.320 But that's um kind of significant, and I should think 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:34.560 that it's found in the d S M four, which 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:40.960 is the psychological Bible. Right, So it's it's considered a disorder, 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.320 a disorder of arousal, I think is what it's called. Right, Yes, 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:49.760 so chuck while you're sleeping. Um, when does this occur? 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:52.640 When does it take place? Uh, if you're an adult 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:54.640 or actually kids too, I think it occurs in the 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:58.320 first third of your sleep, which is the non r 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:02.880 M sleep, which is when your body is, uh, you're 0:05:02.880 --> 0:05:05.600 in your deepest state of sleep, but your body is 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:07.680 kind of awake, so you're tossing and turning a lot, 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:09.880 but your brain is shut down. So it's sort of 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:12.920 the opposite of rim sleep, right, you've got non r 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:15.840 E M in R E M sleep right, and um, 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:19.240 usually sleepwalking occurs during the deepest part, which is what 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:23.640 I think phase three or four or possibly three and 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:28.720 four when as Kitty Lambert, who wrote this article put it, um, 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:32.000 with R E M sleep, your brains active but your 0:05:32.040 --> 0:05:34.159 body is not. With non r EM sleep, which is 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:38.080 when sleepwalking occurs, your brain is just dead to the world, 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:42.280 but your body is still moving around, which accounts for sleepwalking. Right, 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:46.800 perfect recap, thanks a lot. Uh. And you know your 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:51.240 brain is also resistant to arousal when you're asleep, so 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:53.960 that explains why it's hard to wake somebody up when 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:57.640 you're sleepwalking. But it's not dangerous necessarily. No, And that's 0:05:57.640 --> 0:05:59.880 a question that we should probably just go ahead. And 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:03.960 or should you wake a sleepwalker? You've you've heard warnings 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.680 against that kind of thing, I think on everything from 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:12.560 the Brady Bunch to Hawaii five. Oh. Let's say, okay, uh, 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:17.000 myth Yes, you can wake a sleepwalker. But the rule 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:20.600 I put in is wake a sleepwalker like you would 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:24.359 want to be awakened just from bed. Don't go shaking 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:26.159 them or anything. You wouldn't do that to somebody laying 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:28.560 in bed asleep either they'll probably have a heart attack, 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:30.719 so be gentle and try and guide them back to 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.200 the bed. If they wake up, that's fine, but it's 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:34.720 not it's not like a danger they're gonna have a 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:38.240 heart attack if they and die if they're awaked from sleepwalking. No, 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:41.520 but you could aroused their startle response, and um, they 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:44.520 are going to be confused and not know what's going on. That's, 0:06:44.839 --> 0:06:48.400 like you said, one of the symptoms of sleepwalking. Um. 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:51.240 But if you do manage to get the sleepwalker back 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:53.240 to bed and they lie back down and that's it, 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:56.400 you can pretty much rest assured that there's not going 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:59.360 to be another incident like that because most people sleepwalk 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:03.040 only wants per night. Interestingly, that's what they say, and 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:05.839 thirty seconds to a half hour. I've heard it even 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.839 longer than that, because it very much depends on what's 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.320 going on or maybe what you feel like you have 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.440 to get done while you're walking around in your sleep. 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:17.320 You're gonna be sort of zombiefied, but you're not gonna 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:19.040 be walking around with your arms out in front of 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.040 you like in the movies. That's a bunch of bunk 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:24.880 um and you're probably gonna be pretty clumsy, but you 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.560 can still perform activities, which is kind of the weird 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:29.600 thing about it. One of the weird things about it, Right, 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:33.760 you just perform them clumsily or you get oddly, I 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.720 guess is another way to put it. Yeah, um, and 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:40.280 sleepwalking is one of these. It's a hilarious disorder really 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.280 because it's not generally that dangerous. It doesn't have to 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:45.400 be that dangerous, although it can put you in dangerous 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:49.360 situations and people have been hurt um in sleepwalking. But 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:52.960 the idea of just, you know, interacting with somebody with 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:56.840 a glassy eyed look on their face who's clumsily playing 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:01.239 the guitar, right, It's that's a funny disorder. It's even chance. 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:04.720 I haven't either. I've never been much of a sleepwalker. 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.320 I don't think I've ever sleepwalked. I've sleepwalked, but I've 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:11.360 never interacted with someone who was sleepwalking. So yeah, I've 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:13.360 done it myself. Though. It's good. It's a lot of fun. 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:15.880 But it's one of these conditions where we have all 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.440 this evidence, in all this data, we just haven't been 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:21.160 able to fully put it together, to figure it out 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.480 once and for all, which makes for a better podcast 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:27.560 for us. Right. Um, A little bit more data that 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:31.360 we have on at Chuck is that UM sleepwalking tends 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:36.600 to run in families. Children sleepwalk more than adults by far. Yeah, 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.679 you're ten times more likely if your family, uh, if 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:41.480 you have a family member who has sleptwalked to be 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:46.360 a sleepwalker yourself. So is it slept walked or sleepwalked 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:50.800 slept walk? Sure, that sounds good to me. We'll just 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:54.160 call it s W past tense. Uh, it's more often 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:57.840 is founding kids. Obviously, it's something you usually outgrow. Uh, 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:02.960 more often identical twins, which I thought was pretty interesting. Yeah, well, 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.720 gene expression at all. And uh, I think they said 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:10.839 adults two point five to four percent of adults sleepwalk, 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:14.520 and this is they're almost always uh, adults who slept 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:17.440 walked as children. And if you start sleepwalking for the 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:19.080 first time as an adult, you might want to like 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:20.880 get that checked out. You definitely want to get that 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.120 checked out, because again, it can be a symptom of 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:30.120 another another problem like UM Parkinson's, Alzheimer's UM. Severe stress 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:32.160 I think has been associated with it, not just in 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:35.400 children or not adults, but children too, which I'm I 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:38.600 was kind of like, if you have a child who's 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:42.200 suffering from sleepwalking and it's stress related, what are you 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:44.840 doing to your poor kid? To where the kids suffering 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.559 from such stress that he's running around at night? Absolutely, 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:50.640 I wonder what I was stressed about. I don't know, man. 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:53.440 I find it odd that you haven't asked me about 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:55.480 sleepwalking yet, even though I said three times that have 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:59.360 slept walked. And I'm trying to drum up the tension. Uh. 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:01.800 They used to think that, um, it was like an 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:06.600 epileptic thing or hysteria. Well, it still is associated with epilepsy. Actually, 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.800 hysteria is kind of out the window though. Yeah, they 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.440 still think it's caused by epilepsy though it's associated with 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:16.280 it still. Yeah, I did not know that we should 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:20.040 change this article. Uh. And like you said, no one 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:23.800 knows exactly why it's happening, um, but they can just 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:27.160 say kind of what goes on when it does happen, right, Right, 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:29.960 We have all this information that hasn't been fully put together, 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:35.360 which again I find fascinating. Yeah, absolutely so, chuck. Um, 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.240 what are some of the I guess competing theories for 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:42.480 why we sleepwalk? Uh? Well, it's a lot of people 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:45.080 think it's just like you're in a transition stage between 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.720 being awake and being asleep. So if you've got a 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.199 dead brain, we'll not dead. If you've got a very 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:54.559 sleepy brain and a very wired body, uh, you could 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:57.000 potentially get triggered, they think a lot of times. I 0:10:57.000 --> 0:11:00.800 saw this one study where um, they took ten sleepwalkers 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:04.840 and um they kept them awake for more than twenty 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:07.199 four hours and then allow them to sleep, and they 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:12.320 found that a buzzer going off. All ten people got 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.240 up and slept walked when they heard this buzzer. Weird. 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:19.560 After sleep deprivation and before during just regular sleep, three 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:21.959 out of ten were triggered by the buzzer. So they 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:25.040 think that like any noise like a dog barking outside 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.640 could like wake you up, wake your body up, and 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:32.720 send you doing whatever. Good yea uh, And sleep deprivation 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:36.040 is a magic term as far as sleepwalking goes. They 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:42.200 found that um sleepwalking increases dramatically and in studies when 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:45.200 they're sleep deprived, when the person sleep deprived first. And 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:49.080 they recommend also that if your kid um is sleepwalking, 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:54.600 you should not only decrease their stress somehow maybe let 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:57.640 them give up the trumpet if they really hate it, right, um, 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:00.319 But also to get them on like a regular sleep 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:02.480 schedule too, that that could be part of it as well, 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:04.600 that they may just be sleep deprived and stressed out 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:08.920 adults to little kids show. Um. Another theory with the 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:12.360 kids is that there's all kinds of crazy hormones being 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:16.120 shot about the body during the night and that that 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:18.400 may disrupt the kid And that's why that would explain 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:21.840 why it like tapers off after puberty. Yes, Um, have 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:27.360 you ever liked done something to say, driving or walking 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:30.800 or doing anything where you realized you got somewhere and 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.720 you hadn't been paying attention. You didn't really It wasn't 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.160 like you're blacked out or you're drunk or impaired or anything, 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:39.840 but you were just distracted or doing something else daydreaming. Absolutely, 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:41.880 So I would imagine that that has a lot to 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:45.400 do with how we could possibly sleepwalk. It's like maybe 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:49.760 more basic part of our brain is activated, like the 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:53.200 brainstem with that controls like breathing, walking, that kind of stuff. Correct, 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:58.080 So maybe it's all brainstem makes sense to me. Uh, 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.280 people have actually killed pepe bowl in their sleep. Like 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:03.920 you said the first guy, Uh, there was someone else 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:05.800 who And it kind of depends on the case. From 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:08.400 what I've seen, some of them get acquitted, some of 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:11.560 them get convicted. One guy stabbed his wife forty five 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:15.760 times and he was convicted. Another guy I murdered his 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:19.199 father and he was acquitted. So I guess it's sort 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:21.880 of a crap shoot. There hasn't been any You can't 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.040 go to a law book and say, well, we gotta 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:27.560 we have the sleepwalking defense, like the insanity plea. No, 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:31.040 but um, I think that, uh, you could probably find 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:37.040 the same um state witness or defense witness in the 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:41.680 acquittals or or um convictions. But there's some like great 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:45.760 professional witness out there, like can convince any jury that actually, 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:49.360 if you're sleepwalking, can't you can't possibly know what you're 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.480 doing right. Well, the guy from Illinois last week that 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:56.040 was acquitted was I think they proved that he had 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:59.040 a long history of sleepwalking. And this was some friend 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:00.600 of his. He like went out to rinking with her 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:03.600 and slept crashed on her couch and then he said 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:05.640 he woke up to some guy punching him in the face. 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.839 She said that guy was the guy I called because 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:11.679 you were assaulting me in my sleep and he was like, 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:14.920 I didn't mean it, and they said, okay. Yeah. It 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:17.560 took him like a couple of hours or something to decide. Yeah, 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:20.480 the jury, Yeah that was really fast. I thought so too. 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:22.720 That's what I'm saying. There has to have been somebody 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:24.960 who convinced them and just laid it all out for him, 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:27.240 because it's not like the average juror knows a lot 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:31.080 about sleepwalking. It's all you know, the cabinet of Dr 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:35.840 Kelgary or right again, the Brady Bunch. Yeah, who Who's 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.280 who was that? I don't remember. I just remember there 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.440 was a sleepwalking episode and seems like I could be 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.160 making it up. You talked about injury and U I 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:45.760 saw a study in England that eleven percent of people 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:49.120 that responded sleepwalkers said they have been injured. And it's 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:52.720 usually like bruising or cuts, but I think eleven percent 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:56.560 of that eleven percent actually broke bones well, which is 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:58.240 not a happy way to wake up out with night. 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:26.680 That's why skaff you shouldn't chuck. Sleepwalking is not the 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:30.960 only paras omnia. Remember we called it paras omnia. It's 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:35.840 a sleep disorder. There are other paras omnias, And the 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.360 first then I think we should talk about, is called 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:46.640 somnambulistic sexual behavior inexplicably UM, abbreviated as SPS. Yeah, that's weird. 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:49.400 I wonder what the BE stands for. I guess that's 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:54.040 part of the ballistic Maybe that's the Spanish UM, the 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:58.360 Spanish abbreviation. It's some nambulistic behavior sex you all. Yeah, 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:03.120 so sleep sex or sex insomnia is UM, Like Katie 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:04.760 says in here, it's pretty much what you think. It's 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:07.920 being asleep in the middle of the night and either 0:16:08.200 --> 0:16:13.920 you know, masturbating or doing something to whoever is nearby, right, sexually, yes, 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:17.560 and again that can lead you to an assault conviction, 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:22.320 or you can wake up very happy, depending on the situation. Right. 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:25.800 And then of course there's the very very famous sleep eating, 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:32.080 which one generally associates these days with the sleep aid ambient, right, Yeah, 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:34.880 eating all kinds of crazy things with ambient cigarettes and 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.440 raw meat. I think we've talked about it before. It 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.640 seems like, yeah, we've talked about it. Kristen congerrote article 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:45.960 on it, and um, apparently the chemical zolpidem in ambient 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:49.080 like crosses the eating and the sleeping wires and like 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:52.200 one in a thousand people and they don't know why. 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:54.240 But I also found another stat that said one in 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:58.680 one percent of people have sleep eating disorders anyway, so 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.600 I can't you know, Well, there's reports of people who 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:04.920 have been on ambient and then switched to another similar 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:07.200 drug and it said that it all went away. There, 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.800 sleep eating, abnormal sleep behavior. And then there was the 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:14.280 first case of well the first documented case of a 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:19.440 woman who was on ambient UM who sleep emailed. And 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:23.600 I can't stand the um the term the media gave it, 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:28.200 but Z mailing with three Z people. Yeah, it's completely awful. 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:31.359 Uh yeah, that was pretty cool because she emailed. She 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:33.120 fired up her computer in the middle of the night, 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.480 logged in to the internet. Onto the internet, she had 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:41.560 to UM use her password to use her password, and 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:45.040 sent several emails that apparently were a random mix of 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:47.639 upper and lower cases, and they were written in some 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.879 strange language, although when I read the first email, it 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.560 didn't seem very strange to me at all. Uh No, 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:58.280 it said, um, this is a quote. Come tomorrow and 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:01.960 sort this hellhole out. Dinner and drinks four pm. Bring 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.200 wine and keV Are only it seems like a very 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:07.000 normal email to me. I've sent that same very same 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:11.040 email before. What about the second one? Yeah, one said 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:14.199 what the dot dot dot I think, but it was 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:18.119 the mix of all caps in lower case that really 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:20.520 just kinda that had to be a little off putting 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:23.639 to see that. It looks like brain damage, you know, 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:26.840 it's like brain damage and text form. She's probably seen 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:29.600 a doctor by this point, I would say, although she 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:32.719 was on ambient right, Yeah, okay, well that probably explains 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:37.080 that zolpi um like you said. And then also this week, 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:40.919 very sadly, a guy fell. He basically walked off of 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:45.760 his third story hotel room in Majorca and just like 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:48.800 broke a leg. Hit his head too, and hit his 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:52.439 head and his girlfriend just like this, she woke up 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:56.320 to find her boyfriend had gone out the window. Awful. 0:18:57.640 --> 0:18:59.680 That's more than a bruise, my friend. And if you 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:05.480 like connecting podcasts, there was a guy um in England 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:12.120 in hart old Pool right and on um Holy Island 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:16.320 at the Crown and Anchor on Holy Island off north 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:21.960 the Northumberland coast. He woke up in quicksand actually he's 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:25.679 sleep He drank too much. But then he he sleepwalked. 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:31.240 He s w pass tensed um into the marsh land 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:35.600 and found himself waking up in the sinking and quicksandard 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:38.600 and trapped in quicksand And the guy was smart enough 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:42.199 to know that you stopped struggling and lie flat and 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:44.840 he would listen. Was a fan. Wouldn't that be something? 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:47.760 It's possible check because this just happened, right, it was, 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:52.240 um August eleven. I wonder so, as sleepwalker Stephen Rook, 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:55.040 if you listen to this podcast, let us know if 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:58.239 we saved your life and put the bottle down. Yeah, well, 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:00.200 he said he did. He said he spent the next 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:03.280 day in bed and uh, he was avoiding alcohol for 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:06.560 a long time and wants to thank everyone. A friend said, yeah, 0:20:06.560 --> 0:20:09.479 he'll be back on the sauce this weekend. Totally. I've 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:13.440 said that before too. Uh. My uncle actually was a 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:17.440 famous sleepwalker in my family. He um, my uncle Steve, 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:19.920 who you know as the guy who's helped us out 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:22.480 before with some stuff, the guy we bought Scotch four 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:26.399 a k a h. He had a few incidents is 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:29.480 when he was young, and one time they found tracks 0:20:29.480 --> 0:20:32.160 in the snow leading from his house, so he went. 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:34.719 Apparently he said he went outside see if it was snowing. 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:39.000 Another time, he fell asleep on the couch after school, 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:43.080 got up an eate dinner, and then later on woke 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:46.439 up and said, hey, what's for dinner tonight? And they're like, 0:20:47.040 --> 0:20:51.600 you just had scallops. And another time specifically, that's what 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:54.280 he said, I asked him today. Uh. And then another 0:20:54.320 --> 0:20:56.800 time he was going to the store with my grandfather 0:20:57.440 --> 0:20:59.360 and he fell asleep in the car on the way 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:01.760 to the store and then woke up like in the 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:03.960 shop that they were going to, like, at the counter 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:06.720 paying for something weird. What was he buying? I think 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:10.320 he said tickets to like a Danny Thomas benefit show 0:21:10.440 --> 0:21:14.040 or something. It's like the early sixties. Yeah, pretty much 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:16.560 everybody was sleep walking in that line. Yeah that's a 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:19.200 hot ticket in MEMPHISO back in the day. Oh yeah, yeah, 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:22.480 oh yeah, And I used to sleep walk, all right. 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:25.199 Let's hear well. A couple of times I'd gotten up 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:27.960 and just gone out to my We had a split level, 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:30.320 so I'd go out to the banister overlooking our den 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:34.639 and just start yelling things. And um. Another time I 0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:38.600 specifically remember I got up I mean I remember after it, obviously, 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:41.280 I got up and I got ready for school and 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:43.760 took a shower and got dressed, and then I woke 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:45.360 up the next morning. I was like, that was weird. 0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:47.000 I must have dreamt that. And I saw like the 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:49.480 wet towel in my clothes on the floor, down your head, 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:53.600 your saddle, shoes on your like I was like clutching shampoo. 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:56.960 So I don't sleep walk anymore. Them I sleep talk, though, 0:21:57.440 --> 0:22:00.680 do you? So? It's Emily. It's a lot of people 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:03.960 sleep talk. That's no big deal. Yeah, what are you 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:06.520 say in your sleep? Um? You? Me actually likes to 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:10.760 use her iPhone to record me sleep talking, and she 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:13.879 loves to share it with everybody who will listen. Has 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:17.000 actually emailed the soundclips to people before. But there's this 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:19.720 one of me like just muttering and all of a sudden, 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:23.439 I go to real pop and that was it. I 0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:25.600 have no idea. Why why am I not on that email? 0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:27.840 That's disappointing. I don't know. I'm sure I could get 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:52.520 it for you. Chuck, lastic Chuck. There's one a point 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:57.400 that I found fascinating, which is people have always thought 0:22:57.440 --> 0:23:01.040 and still probably think because we're dumb that, um, you 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:05.080 act out your dreams while you're sleepwalking. Not true. The 0:23:05.119 --> 0:23:07.760 point that Katie Lambert makes is your brain is not 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:11.400 really active. It's it's in the slow delta wave that 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:14.280 you couldn't possibly be dreaming in, so you're not actually 0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:18.240 acting out your dreams. But there is a disorder called 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:20.840 R E M sleep disorder where you actually are acting 0:23:20.840 --> 0:23:24.280 out your dreams. It's the it's a sleepwalking that occurs 0:23:24.280 --> 0:23:26.320 in that in that phase of sleep, the R E 0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:29.240 M phase where your brains active but your body is 0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:32.119 not supposed to be, so you are really wound up. 0:23:32.160 --> 0:23:34.239 If you have the R A M sleep disorder, you 0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:36.719 really need to give up the trumpet immediately. Yeah, that's 0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:39.280 when you wake up in your your dreaming that you're 0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:41.919 you know, cutting wood for the fire, and you're like 0:23:42.000 --> 0:23:44.720 chopping your wife's leg with your hand exactly, and she guess, 0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:47.240 what are you doing? That's not what she's saying, Sam, 0:23:47.280 --> 0:23:51.199 cutting wood, babe, You say, I'm correcting you. All right, 0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:55.240