1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Good morning everyone. I hope you had a RESTful Friday 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: night's sleep, so you can listen to your Saturday Select 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: episode on sleep walking. I myself was a bit of 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: a sleepwalker when I was younger, and I talked about 5 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: it in this very episode from August. Welcome to Stuff 6 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: You Should Know, a production of My Heart Radios How 7 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: There's Charles w Chuck Bryant. It makes this Stuff you 9 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: should know. Um the late night edition. It's late. Let's 10 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 1: go and Chuck great, awesome, it could be better. How 11 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: are you same? Just the same? So, Chuck, I got 12 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: a story for you. Let's hear it. Back in eight 13 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: in a little town called Weymouth, Massachusetts, although Massachusetts they 14 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: probably pronounced it in some radically different way than it 15 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 1: would be spelled woman or Worcester or something weird like that. Um, 16 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: there was a woman named um Maria Ann Bickford, and 17 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: she was a prostitute. And she was discovered on October 18 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: that year, murdered and brutally murdered. Actually uh. And it 19 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: was quickly traced back to a guy by the name 20 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: of Albert Terrell. Jack the ripper. No, but it was 21 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: ripper asque. Her head was severed or almost completely severed. Yeah, 22 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: and it was with the knife. Um. But the the 23 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: reason everybody knew it was Albert Terrell was because that 24 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: was her boyfriend and he had left his wife for her. 25 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: He was a wealthy guy in Massachusetts and he left 26 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: his wife to be with Maria Anne Bickford. Um. And 27 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: he wanted her to quit the quit the job. I 28 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: guess you could call it. I would say that too. Well, 29 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: she didn't. She liked having a an income because she 30 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: didn't have to depend on any man for um, whatever 31 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: she wanted, and she refused. And ironic though, because she 32 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: was depending on men. Yeah, that is very ironic actually. Um. 33 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: She uh ultimately died, was murdered, and it was Albert 34 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: Terrell who who admitted to doing it, but he was sleepwalking. 35 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,679 Speaker 1: He said it was pretty thin case. But he was 36 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: ultimately acquitted, even though he had set three fires in 37 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: the brothel in an obvious attempt to cover up what 38 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: he had done while he was still supposedly sleepwalking. But 39 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: the jury bought it, and one of the reasons they 40 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: bought it was because it was a jury of wealthy 41 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: white men who weren't about to put one of their 42 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: own behind bars as big of a crook as he was. 43 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 1: But secondly, because in eighteen forty five, we didn't really 44 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: understand sleepwalking. We didn't understand what people were capable of, 45 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: we didn't understand how so walking worked. And I know 46 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: you sent me an article as recently as a month 47 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: or so ago a guy in Arizona was acquitted of 48 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: sexual assault because he was sleepwalking. Right, yeah, it was Illinois, 49 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: but um, that was today. The news articles from today 50 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: even better, even more recent, which makes my point even 51 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: more thorough, which is we don't understand sleepwalking too terribly 52 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: much more than we did in eighteen five as far 53 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: as explaining why it happens, right, abstely, But there are 54 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: some really interesting aspects of this, uh, this sleep disorder 55 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: which is called the paras omnia. Right, yes, it's that's 56 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: one of many, but it's called somnambulism. Specifically sleepwalking is 57 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: and not to be confused with batum, no, not at all. Uh. 58 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: And there's an official definition if you want to look 59 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: in a mental health professional handbook called M four. Uh. 60 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: You leave your bed while you're sleeping and you find it. 61 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: Others find it difficult to wake you. When you're sleep sleepwalking, 62 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: you can't remember what happened afterward. Uh, you're confused when 63 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: you wake up. You aren't suffering from dementia or anything 64 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: else physical. That's a big one. And it impairs your 65 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: social life, or work life, or your life. And that's 66 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: for straight up sleepwalking. There are sleepwalking can be a 67 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: symptom of things like dementia or Parkinson's or something like that. 68 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: But that's um kind of significant, and I should think 69 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: that it's found in the d S M four, which 70 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: is the psychological Bible. Right, So it's it's considered a disorder, 71 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: a disorder of arousal, I think is what it's called. Right, Yes, 72 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: so chuck while you're sleeping. Um, when does this occur? 73 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: When does it take place? Uh, if you're an adult 74 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: or actually kids too, I think it occurs in the 75 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: first third of your sleep, which is the non r 76 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: M sleep, which is when your body is, uh, you're 77 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: in your deepest state of sleep, but your body is 78 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: kind of awake, so you're tossing and turning a lot, 79 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: but your brain is shut down. So it's sort of 80 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: the opposite of rim sleep, right, you've got non r 81 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: E M in R E M sleep right, and um, 82 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: usually sleepwalking occurs during the deepest part, which is what 83 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: I think phase three or four or possibly three and 84 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: four when as Kitty Lambert, who wrote this article put it, um, 85 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: with R E M sleep, your brains active but your 86 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: body is not. With non r EM sleep, which is 87 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: when sleepwalking occurs, your brain is just dead to the world, 88 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: but your body is still moving around, which accounts for sleepwalking. Right, 89 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: perfect recap, thanks a lot. Uh. And you know your 90 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: brain is also resistant to arousal when you're asleep, so 91 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: that explains why it's hard to wake somebody up when 92 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: you're sleepwalking. But it's not dangerous necessarily. No, And that's 93 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: a question that we should probably just go ahead. And 94 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: or should you wake a sleepwalker? You've you've heard warnings 95 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: against that kind of thing, I think on everything from 96 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: the Brady Bunch to Hawaii five. Oh. Let's say, okay, uh, 97 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: myth Yes, you can wake a sleepwalker. But the rule 98 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: I put in is wake a sleepwalker like you would 99 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 1: want to be awakened just from bed. Don't go shaking 100 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: them or anything. You wouldn't do that to somebody laying 101 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: in bed asleep either they'll probably have a heart attack, 102 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: so be gentle and try and guide them back to 103 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: the bed. If they wake up, that's fine, but it's 104 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: not it's not like a danger they're gonna have a 105 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: heart attack if they and die if they're awaked from sleepwalking. No, 106 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: but you could aroused their startle response, and um, they 107 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: are going to be confused and not know what's going on. That's, 108 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: like you said, one of the symptoms of sleepwalking. Um. 109 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: But if you do manage to get the sleepwalker back 110 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: to bed and they lie back down and that's it, 111 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: you can pretty much rest assured that there's not going 112 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: to be another incident like that because most people sleepwalk 113 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 1: only wants per night. Interestingly, that's what they say, and 114 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: thirty seconds to a half hour. I've heard it even 115 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: longer than that, because it very much depends on what's 116 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: going on or maybe what you feel like you have 117 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: to get done while you're walking around in your sleep. 118 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: You're gonna be sort of zombiefied, but you're not gonna 119 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: be walking around with your arms out in front of 120 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: you like in the movies. That's a bunch of bunk 121 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: um and you're probably gonna be pretty clumsy, but you 122 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: can still perform activities, which is kind of the weird 123 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: thing about it. One of the weird things about it, Right, 124 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: you just perform them clumsily or you get oddly, I 125 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: guess is another way to put it. Yeah, um, and 126 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: sleepwalking is one of these. It's a hilarious disorder really 127 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: because it's not generally that dangerous. It doesn't have to 128 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: be that dangerous, although it can put you in dangerous 129 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: situations and people have been hurt um in sleepwalking. But 130 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: the idea of just, you know, interacting with somebody with 131 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: a glassy eyed look on their face who's clumsily playing 132 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:01,239 Speaker 1: the guitar, right, It's that's a funny disorder. It's even chance. 133 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: I haven't either. I've never been much of a sleepwalker. 134 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever sleepwalked. I've sleepwalked, but I've 135 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: never interacted with someone who was sleepwalking. So yeah, I've 136 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: done it myself. Though. It's good. It's a lot of fun. 137 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: But it's one of these conditions where we have all 138 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: this evidence, in all this data, we just haven't been 139 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: able to fully put it together, to figure it out 140 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: once and for all, which makes for a better podcast 141 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: for us. Right. Um, A little bit more data that 142 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: we have on at Chuck is that UM sleepwalking tends 143 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: to run in families. Children sleepwalk more than adults by far. Yeah, 144 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: you're ten times more likely if your family, uh, if 145 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: you have a family member who has sleptwalked to be 146 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: a sleepwalker yourself. So is it slept walked or sleepwalked 147 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: slept walk? Sure, that sounds good to me. We'll just 148 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: call it s W past tense. Uh, it's more often 149 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: is founding kids. Obviously, it's something you usually outgrow. Uh, 150 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: more often identical twins, which I thought was pretty interesting. Yeah, well, 151 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: gene expression at all. And uh, I think they said 152 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 1: adults two point five to four percent of adults sleepwalk, 153 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: and this is they're almost always uh, adults who slept 154 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: walked as children. And if you start sleepwalking for the 155 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: first time as an adult, you might want to like 156 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: get that checked out. You definitely want to get that 157 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: checked out, because again, it can be a symptom of 158 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: another another problem like UM Parkinson's, Alzheimer's UM. Severe stress 159 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: I think has been associated with it, not just in 160 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: children or not adults, but children too, which I'm I 161 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: was kind of like, if you have a child who's 162 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: suffering from sleepwalking and it's stress related, what are you 163 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: doing to your poor kid? To where the kids suffering 164 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 1: from such stress that he's running around at night? Absolutely, 165 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: I wonder what I was stressed about. I don't know, man. 166 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: I find it odd that you haven't asked me about 167 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: sleepwalking yet, even though I said three times that have 168 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: slept walked. And I'm trying to drum up the tension. Uh. 169 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: They used to think that, um, it was like an 170 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: epileptic thing or hysteria. Well, it still is associated with epilepsy. Actually, 171 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: hysteria is kind of out the window though. Yeah, they 172 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: still think it's caused by epilepsy though it's associated with 173 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: it still. Yeah, I did not know that we should 174 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: change this article. Uh. And like you said, no one 175 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: knows exactly why it's happening, um, but they can just 176 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: say kind of what goes on when it does happen, right, Right, 177 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: We have all this information that hasn't been fully put together, 178 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: which again I find fascinating. Yeah, absolutely so, chuck. Um, 179 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: what are some of the I guess competing theories for 180 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: why we sleepwalk? Uh? Well, it's a lot of people 181 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: think it's just like you're in a transition stage between 182 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: being awake and being asleep. So if you've got a 183 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: dead brain, we'll not dead. If you've got a very 184 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 1: sleepy brain and a very wired body, uh, you could 185 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: potentially get triggered, they think a lot of times. I 186 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: saw this one study where um, they took ten sleepwalkers 187 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: and um they kept them awake for more than twenty 188 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 1: four hours and then allow them to sleep, and they 189 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: found that a buzzer going off. All ten people got 190 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: up and slept walked when they heard this buzzer. Weird. 191 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: After sleep deprivation and before during just regular sleep, three 192 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 1: out of ten were triggered by the buzzer. So they 193 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: think that like any noise like a dog barking outside 194 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: could like wake you up, wake your body up, and 195 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: send you doing whatever. Good yea uh, And sleep deprivation 196 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: is a magic term as far as sleepwalking goes. They 197 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: found that um sleepwalking increases dramatically and in studies when 198 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: they're sleep deprived, when the person sleep deprived first. And 199 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: they recommend also that if your kid um is sleepwalking, 200 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: you should not only decrease their stress somehow maybe let 201 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: them give up the trumpet if they really hate it, right, um, 202 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: But also to get them on like a regular sleep 203 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: schedule too, that that could be part of it as well, 204 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: that they may just be sleep deprived and stressed out 205 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: adults to little kids show. Um. Another theory with the 206 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: kids is that there's all kinds of crazy hormones being 207 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: shot about the body during the night and that that 208 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: may disrupt the kid And that's why that would explain 209 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: why it like tapers off after puberty. Yes, Um, have 210 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: you ever liked done something to say, driving or walking 211 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: or doing anything where you realized you got somewhere and 212 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: you hadn't been paying attention. You didn't really It wasn't 213 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: like you're blacked out or you're drunk or impaired or anything, 214 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: but you were just distracted or doing something else daydreaming. Absolutely, 215 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: So I would imagine that that has a lot to 216 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: do with how we could possibly sleepwalk. It's like maybe 217 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: more basic part of our brain is activated, like the 218 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: brainstem with that controls like breathing, walking, that kind of stuff. Correct, 219 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: So maybe it's all brainstem makes sense to me. Uh, 220 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: people have actually killed pepe bowl in their sleep. Like 221 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: you said the first guy, Uh, there was someone else 222 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: who And it kind of depends on the case. From 223 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: what I've seen, some of them get acquitted, some of 224 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: them get convicted. One guy stabbed his wife forty five 225 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: times and he was convicted. Another guy I murdered his 226 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 1: father and he was acquitted. So I guess it's sort 227 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: of a crap shoot. There hasn't been any You can't 228 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: go to a law book and say, well, we gotta 229 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: we have the sleepwalking defense, like the insanity plea. No, 230 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: but um, I think that, uh, you could probably find 231 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: the same um state witness or defense witness in the 232 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: acquittals or or um convictions. But there's some like great 233 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: professional witness out there, like can convince any jury that actually, 234 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: if you're sleepwalking, can't you can't possibly know what you're 235 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: doing right. Well, the guy from Illinois last week that 236 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: was acquitted was I think they proved that he had 237 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: a long history of sleepwalking. And this was some friend 238 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: of his. He like went out to rinking with her 239 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: and slept crashed on her couch and then he said 240 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: he woke up to some guy punching him in the face. 241 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 1: She said that guy was the guy I called because 242 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 1: you were assaulting me in my sleep and he was like, 243 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: I didn't mean it, and they said, okay. Yeah. It 244 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: took him like a couple of hours or something to decide. Yeah, 245 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: the jury, Yeah that was really fast. I thought so too. 246 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. There has to have been somebody 247 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: who convinced them and just laid it all out for him, 248 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: because it's not like the average juror knows a lot 249 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: about sleepwalking. It's all you know, the cabinet of Dr 250 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: Kelgary or right again, the Brady Bunch. Yeah, who Who's 251 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: who was that? I don't remember. I just remember there 252 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: was a sleepwalking episode and seems like I could be 253 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: making it up. You talked about injury and U I 254 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: saw a study in England that eleven percent of people 255 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: that responded sleepwalkers said they have been injured. And it's 256 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: usually like bruising or cuts, but I think eleven percent 257 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: of that eleven percent actually broke bones well, which is 258 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: not a happy way to wake up out with night. 259 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: That's why skaff you shouldn't chuck. Sleepwalking is not the 260 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: only paras omnia. Remember we called it paras omnia. It's 261 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: a sleep disorder. There are other paras omnias, And the 262 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: first then I think we should talk about, is called 263 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: somnambulistic sexual behavior inexplicably UM, abbreviated as SPS. Yeah, that's weird. 264 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: I wonder what the BE stands for. I guess that's 265 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: part of the ballistic Maybe that's the Spanish UM, the 266 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: Spanish abbreviation. It's some nambulistic behavior sex you all. Yeah, 267 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: so sleep sex or sex insomnia is UM, Like Katie 268 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: says in here, it's pretty much what you think. It's 269 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: being asleep in the middle of the night and either 270 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: you know, masturbating or doing something to whoever is nearby, right, sexually, yes, 271 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: and again that can lead you to an assault conviction, 272 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: or you can wake up very happy, depending on the situation. Right. 273 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: And then of course there's the very very famous sleep eating, 274 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: which one generally associates these days with the sleep aid ambient, right, Yeah, 275 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: eating all kinds of crazy things with ambient cigarettes and 276 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: raw meat. I think we've talked about it before. It 277 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: seems like, yeah, we've talked about it. Kristen congerrote article 278 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: on it, and um, apparently the chemical zolpidem in ambient 279 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: like crosses the eating and the sleeping wires and like 280 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: one in a thousand people and they don't know why. 281 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: But I also found another stat that said one in 282 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: one percent of people have sleep eating disorders anyway, so 283 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: I can't you know, Well, there's reports of people who 284 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: have been on ambient and then switched to another similar 285 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: drug and it said that it all went away. There, 286 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: sleep eating, abnormal sleep behavior. And then there was the 287 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: first case of well the first documented case of a 288 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: woman who was on ambient UM who sleep emailed. And 289 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: I can't stand the um the term the media gave it, 290 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: but Z mailing with three Z people. Yeah, it's completely awful. 291 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, that was pretty cool because she emailed. She 292 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: fired up her computer in the middle of the night, 293 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: logged in to the internet. Onto the internet, she had 294 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: to UM use her password to use her password, and 295 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: sent several emails that apparently were a random mix of 296 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 1: upper and lower cases, and they were written in some 297 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: strange language, although when I read the first email, it 298 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: didn't seem very strange to me at all. Uh No, 299 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: it said, um, this is a quote. Come tomorrow and 300 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: sort this hellhole out. Dinner and drinks four pm. Bring 301 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: wine and keV Are only it seems like a very 302 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: normal email to me. I've sent that same very same 303 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: email before. What about the second one? Yeah, one said 304 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: what the dot dot dot I think, but it was 305 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: the mix of all caps in lower case that really 306 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: just kinda that had to be a little off putting 307 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: to see that. It looks like brain damage, you know, 308 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 1: it's like brain damage and text form. She's probably seen 309 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: a doctor by this point, I would say, although she 310 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,719 Speaker 1: was on ambient right, Yeah, okay, well that probably explains 311 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: that zolpi um like you said. And then also this week, 312 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 1: very sadly, a guy fell. He basically walked off of 313 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: his third story hotel room in Majorca and just like 314 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: broke a leg. Hit his head too, and hit his 315 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 1: head and his girlfriend just like this, she woke up 316 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: to find her boyfriend had gone out the window. Awful. 317 00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: That's more than a bruise, my friend. And if you 318 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: like connecting podcasts, there was a guy um in England 319 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: in hart old Pool right and on um Holy Island 320 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: at the Crown and Anchor on Holy Island off north 321 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: the Northumberland coast. He woke up in quicksand actually he's 322 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 1: sleep He drank too much. But then he he sleepwalked. 323 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 1: He s w pass tensed um into the marsh land 324 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: and found himself waking up in the sinking and quicksandard 325 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: and trapped in quicksand And the guy was smart enough 326 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 1: to know that you stopped struggling and lie flat and 327 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: he would listen. Was a fan. Wouldn't that be something? 328 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 1: It's possible check because this just happened, right, it was, 329 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: um August eleven. I wonder so, as sleepwalker Stephen Rook, 330 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: if you listen to this podcast, let us know if 331 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,239 Speaker 1: we saved your life and put the bottle down. Yeah, well, 332 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: he said he did. He said he spent the next 333 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: day in bed and uh, he was avoiding alcohol for 334 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: a long time and wants to thank everyone. A friend said, yeah, 335 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,479 Speaker 1: he'll be back on the sauce this weekend. Totally. I've 336 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: said that before too. Uh. My uncle actually was a 337 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: famous sleepwalker in my family. He um, my uncle Steve, 338 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 1: who you know as the guy who's helped us out 339 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: before with some stuff, the guy we bought Scotch four 340 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: a k a h. He had a few incidents is 341 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: when he was young, and one time they found tracks 342 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: in the snow leading from his house, so he went. 343 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,719 Speaker 1: Apparently he said he went outside see if it was snowing. 344 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: Another time, he fell asleep on the couch after school, 345 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: got up an eate dinner, and then later on woke 346 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 1: up and said, hey, what's for dinner tonight? And they're like, 347 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 1: you just had scallops. And another time specifically, that's what 348 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 1: he said, I asked him today. Uh. And then another 349 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: time he was going to the store with my grandfather 350 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,360 Speaker 1: and he fell asleep in the car on the way 351 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: to the store and then woke up like in the 352 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: shop that they were going to, like, at the counter 353 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: paying for something weird. What was he buying? I think 354 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: he said tickets to like a Danny Thomas benefit show 355 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: or something. It's like the early sixties. Yeah, pretty much 356 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 1: everybody was sleep walking in that line. Yeah that's a 357 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: hot ticket in MEMPHISO back in the day. Oh yeah, yeah, 358 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: oh yeah, And I used to sleep walk, all right. 359 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 1: Let's hear well. A couple of times I'd gotten up 360 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: and just gone out to my We had a split level, 361 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: so I'd go out to the banister overlooking our den 362 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: and just start yelling things. And um. Another time I 363 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: specifically remember I got up I mean I remember after it, obviously, 364 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: I got up and I got ready for school and 365 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: took a shower and got dressed, and then I woke 366 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 1: up the next morning. I was like, that was weird. 367 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: I must have dreamt that. And I saw like the 368 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: wet towel in my clothes on the floor, down your head, 369 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: your saddle, shoes on your like I was like clutching shampoo. 370 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: So I don't sleep walk anymore. Them I sleep talk, though, 371 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: do you? So? It's Emily. It's a lot of people 372 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: sleep talk. That's no big deal. Yeah, what are you 373 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: say in your sleep? Um? You? Me actually likes to 374 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: use her iPhone to record me sleep talking, and she 375 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: loves to share it with everybody who will listen. Has 376 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: actually emailed the soundclips to people before. But there's this 377 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: one of me like just muttering and all of a sudden, 378 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 1: I go to real pop and that was it. I 379 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: have no idea. Why why am I not on that email? 380 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: That's disappointing. I don't know. I'm sure I could get 381 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: it for you. Chuck, lastic Chuck. There's one a point 382 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: that I found fascinating, which is people have always thought 383 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: and still probably think because we're dumb that, um, you 384 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: act out your dreams while you're sleepwalking. Not true. The 385 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: point that Katie Lambert makes is your brain is not 386 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: really active. It's it's in the slow delta wave that 387 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: you couldn't possibly be dreaming in, so you're not actually 388 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: acting out your dreams. But there is a disorder called 389 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: R E M sleep disorder where you actually are acting 390 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: out your dreams. It's the it's a sleepwalking that occurs 391 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: in that in that phase of sleep, the R E 392 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: M phase where your brains active but your body is 393 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: not supposed to be, so you are really wound up. 394 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,239 Speaker 1: If you have the R A M sleep disorder, you 395 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,719 Speaker 1: really need to give up the trumpet immediately. Yeah, that's 396 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: when you wake up in your your dreaming that you're 397 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: you know, cutting wood for the fire, and you're like 398 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: chopping your wife's leg with your hand exactly, and she guess, 399 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: what are you doing? That's not what she's saying, Sam, 400 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 1: cutting wood, babe, You say, I'm correcting you. All right, 401 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: Well that's it for sleepwalking. UM. I can virtually guarantee 402 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: you guys will email us your sleepwalking story, so please do. 403 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,160 Speaker 1: If you want to learn more about sleep walking and 404 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,719 Speaker 1: read a page that didn't make it into this podcast 405 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 1: at all about sleepwalking in the organically did not make 406 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: it in. I guess you could call it organic. Well 407 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: we didn't say let's not include that. Just go ahead 408 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 1: and type in sleep walking that's one word, or try 409 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: s w past tense and see what happens. Um into 410 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: the handy search bar at how stuff first dot Com 411 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: and I said I wasn't going to use handy anymore 412 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: either way. This we arrived at listener mail. That's right, Josh, 413 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 1: gonna call this uh pot growing Granny And this is 414 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: from k M Yes cryptic. Hi guys, I literally just 415 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: finished listening to your how grow houses work and I 416 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: couldn't resist sending in this story. My grandmother has always 417 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: been an avid gardener and avid gardener. She was very 418 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: interested in pretty plants and had learned at some point 419 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: that marijuana was a very beautiful plant. Uh So she 420 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 1: decided she wanted to grow some just for the sole 421 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: purpose of seeing what it looked like firsthand. Now where 422 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: would a middle aged woman in eastern Pennsylvania get seeds 423 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: to grow pot from my college age mother? Of course? 424 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: My mom, though, was not a smoker by any means, 425 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: so when she asked to find she was asked to 426 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 1: find pot seeds. She of course pawned the task off 427 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: to to her frat frat member boyfriend, who later would 428 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 1: become my father. My father was also not a smoker, 429 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: but he had a frat brother that was known to 430 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 1: partake in this particular lifestyle, and he has always only 431 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: been known as bob Oh in my family, which I 432 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: think is pretty cryptic. So Babo got him some seeds 433 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 1: for the grandmother. She planted him began growing pot in 434 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: her yard, to the dismay of my grandfather, who was 435 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: good friends with the chief of police and the mayor. 436 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,159 Speaker 1: The plants grew beautifully in the open air of my 437 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: grandmother's garden. They lived pretty close to the center of 438 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: the city. As far as I know, there was no 439 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: attempt to obscure them from being seen. The plug was 440 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: pulled though, when my grandfather decided that come winter the world. 441 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: The grandmother said, we gotta bring him inside this winter, 442 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: and Granddad says, no, we're not bringing those inside. So 443 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,360 Speaker 1: they went through the compost pod or that's what That's 444 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: what the kid was told. In her glaucoma got much 445 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: worse right yeah, well, thanks for that. Who wrote that, 446 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 1: km KM? Thank you k M for your cryptic email. 447 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: We appreciate that one. Um. 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