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Speaker 1: I just think he misrepresented himself here in just a

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go take balls at.

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Speaker 3: Short A special request here from a Jan Kratz in

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Speaker 3: the weeds Zach Wheeler profile piece from mac.

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Speaker 4: Elbe I think it was, yeah, and one of.

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Speaker 3: The headliners here it is Zack Wheeler's wead, the ace

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Speaker 3: everything else. One of the headliners was he is done

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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty seven season.

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Speaker 5: Twenty five, Charlie Morton said that for like ten years

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if Wheelers pitching like this, he's going to

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Speaker 4: He's a top five.

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Speaker 3: Pitcher in the sport, and he's saying that he has

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Speaker 3: a very different looking pitcher in two and a half

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Speaker 3: seasons from now, but also he might still be a

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Speaker 3: pretty good number one starter in baseball. And if that's

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Speaker 3: the case, you don't often see guys step aside completely

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Speaker 3: on top do you think that good for him if

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Speaker 3: he does it? Do you think he'll do it if

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Speaker 3: he's Wheeler?

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Speaker 5: I don't think. I don't know Zach Wheeler that well,

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Speaker 5: but he doesn't seem like a guy that's going to

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Speaker 5: go back on his word. Okay, I like it. Listen.

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Speaker 5: This article is crazy. It's awesome. I love it. Listen.

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Speaker 5: If you want to know how different people are in life,

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Speaker 5: just read this article. Because there's this, there's Zach Wheeler,

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Speaker 5: and then there's like ninety nine percent of the other

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Speaker 3: Okay, So he barely looks at his phone when he's

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Speaker 4: He essentially puts it away.

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Speaker 5: I love that. I wish I could do that.

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Speaker 4: That's hard.

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Speaker 5: It's really hard. Yeah, it's hard. I'm proud of it

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Speaker 5: for that. That's hard, man. I mean because I got

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Speaker 5: down for dinner at night? Like right? So it's hard

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Speaker 5: Am I cutting the grass? So I got to answer,

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Speaker 5: I got to answer. I got to answer the kids.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, Aja, is dinner at night or is that breakfast?

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Speaker 4: I'm so confused.

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Speaker 3: But Aj is just a nice guy replying to everyone

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Speaker 3: for Zach Wheeler, he also is not the healthiest eater.

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Speaker 3: He also is not a big gym guy.

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Speaker 5: I love that too. Pictures. Okay, Chris, you and I

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Speaker 5: can have this conversation. The old saying can't pull fat? Right,

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Speaker 5: where does it come from? Baseball players? You got to

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Speaker 5: have some fat on your body to move around because

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Speaker 5: think at this point in society, especially baseball side, we've

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Speaker 5: I could be way until all the people on Twitter

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Speaker 3: But to me, that's like you're born with a gift.

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Speaker 3: Your metabolism's off the charts, your athleticism's off the charts.

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Speaker 4: You're an outlier. Here's the story that stood out.

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Speaker 3: Apparently last season, Ryan Kirkering stepped into the gym and

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Speaker 3: Someone told him when Wheeler works out the few times

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Speaker 6: I mean, there's they're gonna study Zach Wheeler. Zach Wheeler

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Speaker 6: had Tommy John surgery in twenty fifteen. How long do

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Speaker 6: obviously you can't be a bodybuilder. So I think it's

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Speaker 6: the two extremes. If Zach Wheeler wasn't healthy, people would

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Speaker 5: I'm not saying don't get in the weight room, but

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Speaker 5: I'm saying, getting incredibly shredded. If that's not your body type, naturally,

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Speaker 5: I mean, like I said, I worked out all the time.

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Speaker 5: But you gotta know your body type, and you got

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Speaker 5: sometimes when you get too shredded, you get hurt more

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Speaker 3: Dohn caryler Standing just came back. He's the opposite side

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Speaker 5: Here, Tyler O'Neill. Tyler O'Neill is basically a bodybuilder. He

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Speaker 2: Our cherry picking.

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Speaker 6: We're cherry picking. But to me, to me, look at

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Speaker 3: are moving differently.

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Speaker 4: The league does not know why.

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Speaker 3: Equally hit, hard hit fly balls are averaging four feet

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Speaker 3: I've definitely hit some balls that I thought we're gonna

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Speaker 3: They stated higher seams, which produces more drag on baseball,

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Speaker 6: How about you want to hear my conspiracy theory.

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Speaker 4: Hell yeah, the two.

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Speaker 6: Biggest contracts that were given out this offseason and the

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Speaker 5: Definitely they were told they changed something. Something was either

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Speaker 6: When the balls, when the balls were changed, they had

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Speaker 6: It's what's inside, it's it's how it's wrapped tighter, looser.

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Speaker 4: So this is what they put out.

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Speaker 3: In terms of outcomes on the field, twenty twenty five

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Speaker 4: Parks for sure.

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Speaker 3: Right, they said home runs as a percent of fly

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Speaker 4: Well, let the signs.

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Speaker 6: They knew those minor league parks, They knew the minor

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Speaker 5: Stop stop denying it, just say you know what we did.

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Speaker 5: We did this, that's it. Don't don't.

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Speaker 6: Oh there's human error, No way, I don't believe it

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Speaker 3: Agreed, there has to be a reason for it when

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Speaker 3: We're just reporting on or relaying what the story said.

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Speaker 3: Oh what a time to have Jonathan Paplebond back on

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Speaker 5: We don't even have to talk pap go, pap let us.

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Speaker 5: I want to know what you feel about devs go.

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Speaker 4: This is ft you say, whatever the heck you want,

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Speaker 3: Good not only on the situation, but then your body,

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Speaker 3: Big Poppy, is he really speaking the truth?

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Speaker 4: Is he blasting Deeavors because he's getting paychecks for the

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Speaker 2: What's going on here? First off, I want.

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Speaker 1: To say, what's up to all my beautiful people out

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Speaker 1: there at the FTE Nation. How y'all doing Uh man, Look,

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Speaker 1: this situation is just it really started months and months ago.

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Speaker 4: Look at the end of the day, at the end

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Speaker 1: You don't you don't rebute the man that signed your checks.

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Speaker 4: It's pretty simple.

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Speaker 1: And and for me, when you make that kind of money,

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Speaker 2: Sad way of going out for Raffie Devers.

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Speaker 5: They kind of sprung it on him, and he's like, oh,

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Speaker 5: Obviously fans say, well, he's gotta do what you gotta

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Speaker 5: I wasn't always like that. You definitely weren't always like that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, man Aj.

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Speaker 1: There were times where he was asked to take ground

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Speaker 2: He said no, and when he got bored would go

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Speaker 1: And I think that the players said it best when

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Speaker 2: Let's roll, let's get on with the show. We don't

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Speaker 5: Really, wasn't that bad.

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Speaker 6: I mean, if he's checked out, You've played with plenty

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Speaker 2: You know, I think this situation cratzy.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, you do put up with the bs with

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Speaker 1: But I think that this situation just just became, you know,

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Speaker 1: Right now, You've got three studs that they just called

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Speaker 1: And I don't think that the Red Sox necessarily wanted

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Speaker 2: It says it all.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that the players are kind of

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Speaker 5: But you said rookies.

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Speaker 6: I mean you can add on that, Duran, you can

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Speaker 1: Well, it's a it's a tough it's tough sledding right now.

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Speaker 1: Krats for their team And to be totally honest with you,

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Speaker 2: There's no no offens or buts about it. But I

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Speaker 2: Two hundred and fifty million dollars to do this deal.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, you know, I wish you know this.

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Speaker 1: It really sucks, man, because I wish you could have

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Speaker 4: In my opinion, if he had a little bit of.

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Speaker 1: Like leadership or someone in his corner, like like like

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Speaker 1: I don't know who his agent is, but someone that

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Speaker 1: So that he's represented the way he needs to be represented.

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Speaker 1: You know, I just think he misrepresented himself here in

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Speaker 1: Nope, trade me, like like he wanted to get traded,

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Speaker 1: like he asked them in the beginning of all this in.

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Speaker 2: Spring training to be traded. So I think they've been

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Speaker 2: working on it for a while.

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Speaker 6: But the Red Sox are fine punting this season. You

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Speaker 6: get rid of this type of bat. They're essentially punting

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Speaker 6: this season away. Maybe they're just a five hundred team anyway,

442
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Speaker 6: Like they got hot to get back to five hundred.

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Speaker 5: So so I'm I wasn't in the Democrats.

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Speaker 1: I think this is a punt right now, but I

445
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Speaker 1: think that they can make a fourth quarter run.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're right, they just swept the Yankees.

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Speaker 1: I think, yes, they are punting right now, and they're

448
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Speaker 1: gonna have to figure it out.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be all hands on deck.

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I think that

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Speaker 1: with the they're comfortable with the starting pitchers, they're the

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Speaker 1: start and reliever. They're getting back, and I think they

453
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Speaker 1: opened up a ton of cash for John Henry to

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Speaker 1: go get whoever he wants at the trade deadline as well.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I gotta go back to something you just said,

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Speaker 5: Raffie Devers asked for a trade in spring training because

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Speaker 5: there's a lot of people in Boston that have not

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Speaker 5: reported this that he was fine with it. So when

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Speaker 5: did when did this happen? Because that's news to me

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Speaker 5: at least.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as soon as as soon as he found out, uh,

462
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Speaker 1: they were going after Bragman, and Bragman could be a possibility.

463
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Speaker 1: Raffie Devers was wanting to be traded. This was all,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of in house stuff, and reporters have

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Speaker 1: have have now known this this is to come out.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, like the ego got in the way so

467
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Speaker 2: bad that you know he was willing to be traded.

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Speaker 4: So pap, wait, take me back from what you know.

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Speaker 3: He finds out about the Bragman situation, right and before

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Speaker 3: he gets to camp, he reaches out to them and says, hey,

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Speaker 3: if Bregman's playing third, I want to be traded because

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Speaker 3: at least most of the communication process that appears to

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Speaker 3: be public is he showed. They tell him, hey, it's

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Speaker 3: just rumors your third base.

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Speaker 2: He shows up to.

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Speaker 3: Camp, and then they're like, yeah, we got bragman, he's

477
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Speaker 3: not playing second, he's playing third. Throw your glove away.

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Speaker 3: So even before all of this, he reached out to

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Speaker 3: the Socks and said, I don't even want to go

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Speaker 3: to camp. Trade me if I'm not playing third, Like

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Speaker 3: this started before all that was okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I mean, you know, this is just a Look,

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Speaker 1: we all have egos, we all played with egos.

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Speaker 4: We need our egos to like be really good in

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Speaker 4: this game.

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Speaker 2: I truly believe that, like you have to have it.

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Speaker 1: But in this situation, I think he allowed his ego

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Speaker 1: to get in the way of his career. I mean

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Speaker 1: I think that, like and look, I think this all

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Speaker 1: could have been avoided, like I really truly do, if

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Speaker 1: if Rathi would have just.

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Speaker 2: Had better communication with the front office.

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Speaker 1: And I also blame the front office too, I blame

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Speaker 1: I blame Bras and Sam just as much as I

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Speaker 1: do blame Devers. The communication on their end was terrible too,

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Speaker 1: And I think that Sam and bres would admit that.

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Speaker 5: All right, so let's let's get let's get off of this.

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Speaker 5: Where do they go from here? Let's go there? Where

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Speaker 5: do the Red Sox go from here? Because he was

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Speaker 5: the face, he was their best hitter, he was the

501
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Speaker 5: guy that they counted on to get the big hit

502
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Speaker 5: drive in the runs? Where do the Red Sox go

503
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Speaker 5: from here? Is there another move coming to try to

504
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Speaker 5: replace this and don't? And the biggest thing I don't like,

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Speaker 5: oh this is the is the contracting. Oh they dumped

506
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Speaker 5: the contract. You're the Red Sox dude. That contract nothing

507
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Speaker 5: for a guy in the prime of his career.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree, But when when you don't want

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Speaker 1: the want that player, I think it's a little bit

510
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Speaker 1: easier to dump that contract or say we're dumping it.

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Speaker 2: Where they go here? Aj? Shoot, man, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna have to get some guys healthy quick. I

513
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Speaker 1: think Bregman is back, is coming back a little bit

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Speaker 1: earlier than.

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Speaker 2: Expected, That's what I'm hearing.

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Speaker 1: But you know, they need a leadership, They need leader

517
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Speaker 1: in the dugout, which Breggs is there, but they're.

518
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Speaker 2: Gonna have to have guys step up. It's that simple like,

519
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Speaker 2: they're gonna have to have guys step up.

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Speaker 1: And it may not be one guy that steps up,

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Speaker 1: because look, it's gonna have to be two, maybe three

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Speaker 1: guys that step up from the rest of the year

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Speaker 1: out that are gonna put up the production that Raphael

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Speaker 1: Day he puts the production up with two people, So

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Speaker 1: there's gonna have to be multiple people step up.

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Speaker 5: And who that is?

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Speaker 2: Is it a hundred Dobbins? I don't know. Is Julie

528
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 2: throwing the ball a little bit better?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Does Beyo need to step it up? Yes, Crochet is Crochet.

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Speaker 1: But I have a feeling that come trade deadline, they're

532
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Speaker 1: gonna try to reload.

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Speaker 6: How anticipated is this weekend series that the Red Sox

534
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Speaker 6: are gonna end up playing the Giants? Is Raffie Devers

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Speaker 6: going to be four for four in every one of

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Speaker 6: these games?

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Speaker 2: You know what? I'm interested to see more than that.

538
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Speaker 1: And he may be because he's that good of a player,

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Speaker 1: but I'm interested to see what it's like pregame. Is

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Speaker 1: he over there gonna be talking with Alex cor and

541
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Speaker 1: saying hello? Or is there gonna be some bad blood?

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00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 2: Still?

543
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Speaker 5: No chance he's talking? No chance?

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Speaker 6: What do you think what do you think you think

545
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Speaker 6: they're gonna be chumming it up behind second base giving

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Speaker 6: that the fake dabt No way, Nope.

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Speaker 2: I think that.

548
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 4: They've the ties now, and I think all relationships are.

549
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: Severed between everyone in that dugout.

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00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: In the clubhouse and the front office with Raphie Devers.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think there's gonna be any spiles at all. Good.

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Speaker 4: Good from a fan who has no fight in this good.

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Speaker 5: I love that. Bring the hate, by the way, I

554
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Speaker 5: do you think Pap maybe one might get away from

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Speaker 5: whoever starting for the Red Sox. Maybe a Crochet. I

556
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Speaker 5: don't know if Crochet is starting, but maybe a Gelito,

557
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Speaker 5: maybe a Bayo. One might get away at Pap style and.

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Speaker 2: A bit a j No not today, my friend, not today.

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Speaker 5: You know it's well, no, not today, But I'm talking

560
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Speaker 5: about this weekend, Pap when the Red Sox plays.

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Speaker 4: They don't do that anymore, guys, don't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, not in today's game, not in today's a yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Pedro retired.

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Speaker 5: Oh Pedro, trust me, Pedro. There definitely would have been

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Speaker 5: some action with Pedro. Oh hell yeah, someone that you

566
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:02,239
Speaker 5: don't even look at.

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Speaker 2: I remember they brought me and when we traded Manny.

568
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Speaker 1: When Manny goes to the White Sox and they brought

569
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Speaker 1: me in and Tito called for me to drill many.

570
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Speaker 2: It took me like four pitches to drill them, but

571
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Speaker 2: I had to drill them.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if it's gonna happen or not.

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Speaker 1: Maybe ox Corel calls and somebody.

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Speaker 2: To drill him or not. I don't know what. I

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Speaker 2: highly doubt it.

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Speaker 4: There you go.

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Speaker 5: Can you imagine if it's first a bat one just

578
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Speaker 5: gets away and oh, then.

579
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Speaker 2: We got action.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna have a brawl, then we got action TV

581
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 4: not accidental or not. Just just hit them.

582
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Speaker 3: Hey, final minute that we have with you, and it's

583
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 3: a hard minute. Then we're coming back from breaks. So

584
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 3: my last thing on to get to the timing they

585
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 3: make this trade. Now, I'm like the Giants would have

586
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 3: been oozing to make this trade either in a month

587
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Speaker 3: or after the season. Is really for me where it

588
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 3: should have been done, because the Red Sox did trade

589
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Speaker 3: their best bat. So they're not winning the World Series

590
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 3: this year without Devers. In my mind, would they have

591
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 3: won anyway? Probably not, but you definitely made your team worse.

592
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 3: I'm like dudes on eight and a half years. I

593
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Speaker 3: would have done this in the off season and send

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Speaker 3: your message there and also open it up to every

595
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Speaker 3: team for the bidding. That was the thing that really

596
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 3: pissed me off. I'm like, you want to do in

597
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 3: the off season, get the money back, go for it now.

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Speaker 3: I didn't leave anything horrible, horrible timing. I don't think

599
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 3: the timing could have been any worse. I totally agree

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Speaker 3: with that. That to me is where I'm like, front

601
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Speaker 3: office needs to have a feel like this, this is

602
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 3: not the time. Send the message, slam it in November,

603
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 3: and then go sign some other big bat.

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Speaker 4: But all right, PAF here the man, get some breast.

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Speaker 2: Dude. Ah, guys, thank You'll see you