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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number four one,

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Speaker 1: and today I've got the one and only Dan Johnson

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Speaker 1: of Sportsman's Nation on the show, and I'm running through

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Speaker 1: my what would you do gauntlet of challenging deer hunting

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Speaker 1: situations to see exactly how he handled them. All right,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by First Light. Today we have got a treat, a

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Speaker 1: treat of treats, especially for those of you who are

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Speaker 1: longtime listeners, those of you who who yearned for the

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Speaker 1: days of old when me and Dan Johnson got to

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Speaker 1: talk every week, back before we had night teen kids

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Speaker 1: between us, and seventy two different projects and all manner

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Speaker 1: of crazy adult responsibilities. We've got the nine Fingered Wonder,

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Speaker 1: my brother from another mother, the guy they based the

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Speaker 1: Ukorn kind of Cornelius character on from all those Santa

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Speaker 1: Claus videos. Dan, thanks for being here, buddy, Mark. Every

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Speaker 1: time I'm on this podcast, the intro for me keeps

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Speaker 1: getting longer, but the blows are getting a little little

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Speaker 1: bit lower. At some point, it's going to be more

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Speaker 1: of a roast of Dan Johnson than an introduction. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so I mentioned that there was a surprise today. That's it.

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Speaker 1: This is just the Dan Johnson roastow just gonna talk

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Speaker 1: shit about me for one straight hour, No, but two hours,

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Speaker 1: two hours Dan long episode. There's a lot to cover

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Speaker 1: on that topic. Oh man. No, in all seriousness, I

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Speaker 1: wanted to do two things, and I'm hoping your game

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Speaker 1: for it. Number one, I wanted to catch up a

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Speaker 1: little bit it because you know, back in the day,

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Speaker 1: we used to have these weekly conversations that we got

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Speaker 1: to talk about what was going on in our personal

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Speaker 1: lives and our white tail worlds and all that, and

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Speaker 1: I missed that, Like that was a lot of fun. Um.

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Speaker 1: So I want to catch up on that stuff. But

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Speaker 1: the second thing I want to do is something I

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Speaker 1: have not warned you about, but maybe you've seen me

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Speaker 1: post about it in the past. We have done. I've

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Speaker 1: done a little mini series over part of last year

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Speaker 1: and a couple of times this year, basically I referred

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Speaker 1: to as the what would you Do? Gauntlet, in which

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Speaker 1: I present a hunter with a bunch of different hypothetical scenarios,

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Speaker 1: really specific scenarios, like you're in this place, at this time,

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Speaker 1: with these conditions, what would you do? I've done this

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Speaker 1: with you know, John aber Haart and Tony Peterson and

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Speaker 1: Mark Dreary and the best and the best and the

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Speaker 1: only person I haven't covered yet who falls into that

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Speaker 1: category is Dan Johnson. So, so I wanted to mentioned

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Speaker 1: me in the same breath as Mark Brewery. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: basically if you were to look at my Mount Rushmore

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Speaker 1: of the White Tailed World, it's it's Mark Jury any

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Speaker 1: May Dan Johnson. So I want to run you through

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Speaker 1: the what would you do? Gauntlet? Are you down for

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Speaker 1: I have a feeling there's a specific set of questions

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Speaker 1: that you're gonna ask me that you didn't ask Mark Breury.

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Speaker 1: There are a few questions on my list that yes,

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Speaker 1: would never would never make it to Marjorie, like like

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Speaker 1: the sky dope question. Well that you know, that's let

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Speaker 1: me add some notes here. That's a great one, oh man.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's what I want to do to that.

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Speaker 1: I want to I want to cover a lot of

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Speaker 1: good stuff. So that sounds good plan of you. It

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Speaker 1: sounds like a good plan. I just want to say

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Speaker 1: something to your audience real quick. For those of you

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Speaker 1: who are longtime listeners and we're here since like episode

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Speaker 1: number one, it's good to be back. And for those

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Speaker 1: Hump podcast and this you will might only be a

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Speaker 1: couple episodes in. I'm sorry. That's a good preface. That's

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Speaker 1: a good preface. So so there you go. What the

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Speaker 1: hell have you been up to? Man? What's what's new

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Speaker 1: in the world. You're chasing kids and chasing work. Keyball coach,

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Speaker 1: you know, ball coach, keyball coach. Yeah, big thing, Mark,

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Speaker 1: someday you'll probably you'll probably get there. But keyball coach,

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Speaker 1: you know, shuttling kids around to dance and all that stuff,

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Speaker 1: want that. So I'm doing the whole shuttle shuttle the

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Speaker 1: don't know when this was four or five, six years

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Speaker 1: full time with wire Dohn once we started the pod guest,

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Speaker 1: and how you dreamed of, Yeah, you dreamed of getting

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Speaker 1: And now how long has it been? Two years? Three years? Uh,

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Speaker 1: three years in Is it everything you thought it would be?

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Speaker 1: Is the crazy child hustle all day and then work

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Speaker 1: feels a bit repetitive, but it's not. It's not repetitive

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Speaker 1: like every day, every day I get to do That's awesome. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: interesting how our lives sort of mirror each other now

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Speaker 1: like shoot again. He says, Coba, like did I get

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Speaker 1: him dead? Did I get him? And if he had

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Speaker 1: birds were at twenty yards. So that was that was

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Speaker 1: the highlight of my turkey season. But then like a

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Speaker 1: in time. My wife will never know it. Hey, that's

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00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: a win man. I'll take all the help I can

428
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 1: get our buddy, Bob Planic. Actually, if he doesn't draw Montana, uh,

429
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 1: he's gonna go to I like, he's gonna be in

430
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 1: Idaho hunting. And then I think he if he draws

431
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: his Montana tag, he's going to do that. But if

432
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't draws Montana tag, I think he actually might

433
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: come and help call for me, just because he's gonna

434
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,360
Speaker 1: be out there. So it's kind of it's all those

435
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: plans are up in the area, and a lot of

436
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 1: it depends on what the drawing results are. It sounds

437
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 1: like fun. One of these years when when everything lines

438
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 1: up right, we're Bob Goes is right where I'm at

439
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: in Idaho too, So one of these days we'll have

440
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 1: to get all three of us connected in this zone

441
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: and use my cabinets a base camp and uh, I'll

442
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: show you show you a few fishing things too. Hey,

443
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: I'm down man, Bob urn worms right, Sure, you can

444
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: do whatever you want. What about you? So all I know,

445
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: I think you've probably talked to your ear off about this,

446
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: But have you solidified any more plans as far as

447
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: your white Tail uh tour that you're taking, You know,

448
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: not much more than we talked about in February. Basically

449
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: just that whole slate estates all over the place. UM

450
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 1: as far as the exact dates, that's still up in

451
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: the air, but basically doing a tour to force of

452
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 1: the White Tail world and we're filming two different shows

453
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: this year. Um So it's gonna be kind of crazy,

454
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 1: but it'll be it'll be good. A little different, you know.

455
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: The last couple of years have been so local, focused

456
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: on a lot of like habitat management stuff for the

457
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: back forward and everything, and this year I'm doing essentially

458
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: none of that or very very little, so different, but

459
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 1: it will kind of be a nice change of pace,

460
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: just seeing a bunch of new country, learning a bunch

461
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: of new spots. Uh. So I'm excited about that a

462
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: little bit. Uh already concerned about what you talked about,

463
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: which is just like being away stress and just knowing

464
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: that my wife's there solo watching the kids and and

465
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: that that's something we gotta kind of work through and

466
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: hopefully we can line it up so I can spread

467
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: all this travel out and not be gone for too

468
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 1: long at one point, you know. So I'm gonna try

469
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: to do like one trip a month and spread over

470
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: six months and see if we can make that work. Um,

471
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 1: there'll be a couple of times with his doubles, but um,

472
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: but yeah, you know, doing that, and then I'm gonna

473
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: do the local Michigan hunting and then I'm gonna try

474
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: to get the white tail hunting by my cabin too,

475
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: um in Idaho. So we'll do that. Um, and that's it.

476
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: But just no, I don't think I'm gonna able to

477
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: do any other big game, no elk or older antelope.

478
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: I just can't. I can't fit anything else in outside

479
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: of the the basic responsibilities. But it's uh, you know,

480
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: I can't complain about it at all. There is a chance.

481
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: I forgot to say that, there is a chance I

482
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: do go to Missouri for like a uh they're like

483
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: before their gun season comes in. Like my goal is

484
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: to tag out early in Iowa. Best best case scenario.

485
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: Hopefully it's not like a fourteen day or like it

486
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: was two years ago, but something where I can. I'm

487
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: gonna try to go to Missouri for like four days,

488
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: be sweet, just over the line, yep. Just it's gonna

489
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: be not too far from Iowa. Um. I think it's

490
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: maybe two hours from my house, so not very far

491
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: across the line at all, but just a real quick

492
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: sleep out of your truck opportunity that I've never done before.

493
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, give her hell you got some permission,

494
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: or again try public public nice. It sounds like a

495
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: fun adventure. Yep, first thing that comes by, I'll probably

496
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: shoot it. That's the way to do it. Man, I'm

497
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: gonna be I'm gonna be eager on the trigger this

498
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: year too, So it's gonna be it's gonna be a

499
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: nice change of pace. Uh. Speaking of new adventures, do

500
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: you wanna do you want to dive into the gauntlet

501
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: before we uh we run that time? I was born

502
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 1: in the Gauntlet? Mark all right, man, you better be

503
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: careful what you say, though. I'm not gonna take it

504
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: easy on you. You know, I gotta go as hard

505
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: with you just as anybody else, So be prepared it

506
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 1: all right? Okay, So the rules of the game, as

507
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: I describe the gid beginning, are that I'm gonna lay

508
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: out a scenario with a bunch of details, and then

509
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: you've got to think that through and then tell me

510
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: what you do, and then you know, explain your thought

511
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: process or why or how you would do it. Okay,

512
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: all right, so we're starting the summer. We're gonna start

513
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: with something going on pretty soon here. Let's say you've

514
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: gone out to your properties at Forever, write your Iowa spots,

515
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: you get your summer cameras out like you usually do,

516
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: which seems to be like July ish in his his

517
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: story history has told me. And then you'd like to

518
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: let him selk for quite a while. You go back

519
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: out there in August and you pull them all and

520
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: there is not a single shooter buck nothing. There's no

521
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: shooters on here. You're wondering, what in the world's going on?

522
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: What do you do now? Do you not even care?

523
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: Or are you going to scramble and try to relocate things?

524
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: What's your game plan in that scenario? Mark uh In

525
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: this scenario, and we've talked, we talked about it all

526
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: the time, is if there's no shooter bucks in July

527
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: or August, right, I honestly I'm probably not gonna be worried. Um,

528
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: I am going to be worried after the September shift happens.

529
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: And so really all I'm gonna do is just give

530
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: it more time until the year go hardhorn and then

531
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: September happens. And there's that big redistribution of the deer

532
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: across the landscape, especially on the farm. So I'm I'm

533
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: hoping that that is a benefit for me where nothing's

534
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: there summertime, and then things change and the deer shift

535
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: into that area during the fall, and I basically I

536
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: just give it more time until that October time frame

537
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: and check my cameras again, and I probably won't be

538
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: worried about it until that October, you know, that early October,

539
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: mid October card pull to see if there's you know,

540
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: if there's no big deer on it by that point,

541
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: then I may have to start thinking of alternate strategies. Yeah.

542
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: So then what then? You you come back in October,

543
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: you show up for your first hunt or whatever, you

544
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: yank a bunch of cards, and still it's like a

545
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: bunch of Michigan bucks running around. Yeah. Um, So at

546
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: that point point, it is just a continue to check

547
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: the trail cameras, uh and check and check and check

548
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: there's no if there's no um, if there's no deer

549
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: on camera on and let's say like active scrapes or

550
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: big fence crossings or pinch points, um, I just continue

551
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: to check them, continue to check them and check them

552
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: until something pops up. And uh, as we all know,

553
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: just because deer aren't on trail camera doesn't mean they're

554
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: that they're not there. So I just am waiting for

555
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: that that time. In the meantime, though, I'm out scouting

556
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: other properties public near my house, new farms, trying to

557
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: get permission, just real active in the scouting and trying

558
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: to find more property to hunt. Okay, so would you

559
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: reposition cameras at all, Like, would you take any of

560
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: those that have been dead and put them new places

561
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: or put them on a new public peace or anything.

562
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: Are you sticking with your treading true and just waiting

563
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: for them to show up because you know they will. Yeah,

564
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: so on that, I will definitely be moving trail cameras.

565
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: But at the same time, uh where historically there's a

566
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: good deer movement come uh late October in the rut,

567
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: I'm leaving those cameras up because I know at some

568
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: point they're gonna show up. I mean, at some point

569
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: a big mature deer is going to come through these

570
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: betting areas where these does are at, and I just

571
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: have to to wait for that. I Mean, I've had

572
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: several years and I've talked about this before on the

573
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: podcast The there's a couple of years where the first

574
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: mature buck I had on my farm showed up on

575
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: October and it was still right at that nocturnal time frame,

576
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: like just barely shooting light. And then after that is

577
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: when they slowly start picking up all the way up

578
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: until the rut. So I mean, I've had deer on

579
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: camera all year, and then I've had years where there's

580
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: no deer on camera until the rut or anything else.

581
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: But in the meantime, I'm out being active scouting moving

582
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: trail cameras, hoping to find one that's you know, easy,

583
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: easily patterable. How about the flip side. You check your

584
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: cameras in August. We're going back to the summer, and

585
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: Gnarly Charlie or something like that is on it like clockwork.

586
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: He's there every day or every other day. He's visiting

587
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: a lot over and over and over and over again.

588
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: And so you check in August, he's there. Now, I

589
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: know what you're gonna say. You're gonna say, Well, the

590
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: September shift is gonna happen. Stuff is gonna change. But

591
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: are you are you gonna are you going to use

592
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: that intel in any kind of way or are you

593
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: going to think, well, golly, he's here, like crazy? Should

594
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: I have a few things set up specifically for this

595
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: area just in case um or is it not? Not?

596
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I don't give a rip that he's here.

597
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: It's just nice and nose here. But wait till October September,

598
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: like what's what's that scenario? And then and then my

599
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: folip will be is same thing fast forward a month

600
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: if it's still happening in mid September, So answer me

601
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: both of those. Yeah, So all all information, in my opinion,

602
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: is good information. Some of that information is just waited differently.

603
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: So if and I've talked about this with you before,

604
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: and and there's that I have a picture of him here,

605
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: and I have a picture of him here, and I

606
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: have a picture of him here. So I take all

607
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: that information. Remember that awesome name I came up for

608
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: the strategy. It was like the Dan Johnson connect the

609
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: dots to develop something like some crazy strategy rectified. I

610
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: don't know, big big big intagram or whatever that right,

611
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 1: So and that's that's honestly what I do to track

612
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: specific dear dude, is I will lay a map out

613
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: with all my trail camera locations on them or historical data,

614
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: whether that's finding a shed or finding a UM, having

615
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: an encounter from the tree stand, you know, seeing him

616
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: the tree stand, and I put a dot on a map,

617
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: and then I take that dot and I draw the

618
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: line to every other dot. Right, So what you have

619
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: here is this unique shape, and that what I feel

620
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: is that inside this unique shape is his core at

621
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: area and not that he necessarily beds there, but he

622
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 1: travels through those areas at some point throughout the season.

623
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: So I am going to find terrain features, pinch points,

624
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: um food sources within that, active scrapes, rub lines, whatever,

625
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: and set up in that shape hoping that he comes

626
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: through at some point during you know, during the year.

627
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: So every picture is important, you know. Obviously big you know,

628
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: pictures of big velvet deer awesome to look at, but

629
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: they're weighted a little bit lower in my opinion, than

630
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: a chill camera picture in October or September, when after

631
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: that shift happens and they start to um get into

632
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: a more of a fall routine, if that makes sense. Yeah, yeah,

633
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: So you check your cards mid September he's doing that,

634
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: You've done your connect the dots map reading approach. You

635
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: kind of have a sense of where he's at. And

636
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: would you get aggressive, you know, early season more so

637
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: than usual, if you had that buck that you know

638
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: the last time you check your cameras early September, mid September,

639
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: whatever he's he's doing this thing still, would you dive

640
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: or not dive? Would you swing for the fences and

641
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: try to kill him that first night right there? It

642
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: depends on if it's not turnal or daylight pictures. Historically

643
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: all of those pictures have been not turnal. Right, he

644
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: comes through the area, that's fine, but I can't hunt

645
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: him right so my in my opinion, a nocturnal picture

646
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 1: during the hunting season doesn't mean too much. He's in there,

647
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: you gotta try to find where he's coming from. But

648
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: if he's coming from a different property, he's already on

649
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: whatever property you can hunt. But it's past light, all

650
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: you're doing is distributing scent across the landscape that you

651
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: don't want there. So what I like to do is

652
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 1: wait for that late October time frame to where he's

653
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 1: up and coming through the property. Certainly, you know sent

654
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: checking on a cold front or some kind of you know,

655
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 1: closer to the end of the beginning of the breeding season,

656
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: and just kind of start cycling through good spots. Uh,

657
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: you know you did show up here. Is he's still

658
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: on camera? Yes, Okay, let's go to a different place.

659
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: He's still on camera. Yes, Is he's still on camera? No?

660
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: All right, let's go back and cycle through that again,

661
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: and just keep doing that cycle and hopefully your access

662
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 1: routes to these tree stamp locations are are are good

663
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: to where they're you're not blowing deer out. You're not

664
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: you know, after the hunt, on an evening hunt or before,

665
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: you're not blowing to your outcoming in, and you're not

666
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: blow into your outcoming out. At the same time, you

667
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: don't want that scent there, for if they come buy

668
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: a three in the morning, you know, it's all you know,

669
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: it's there, and they they probably won't get spooked in

670
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: my opinion, but it's it's still not good for them

671
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: to hit human scent anywhere. Really. See, I feel like

672
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: I feel like that, I feel like that's not even

673
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: what you do though, Dan, as far as I understand

674
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: like you like to plan an access route, that just

675
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: walks right up on where the bucks are standing. You

676
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: get two of them, about thirty yards of them, and

677
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: shoot him while they're standing there, right right right. Yeah,

678
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: last year, last year at work, you know, And as

679
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: a joke, I always tell uh everybody that that buck

680
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: was blind in his left eye, so he had no

681
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 1: clue I was there. Anyway, I gotta find more bucks

682
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: like that. That's a summer scouting strategy. Go find a

683
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: blind buck, Go find blind bucks. But at the same time,

684
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: with all that stuff, you know, I'm a running gun

685
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: type guy. But if I am going into an area

686
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: and I'll do a running gun in, I'm not opposed

687
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: to leaving that tree, stand up and coming back to it,

688
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: so I don't have to do a full set up

689
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: on a later time. Just leave it up and then come,

690
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: you know, use it in that that cycle. But at

691
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 1: the same time, man, just historically, I'm a I'm a

692
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: believer in annual patterns. I'm a believer in annual deer movement,

693
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: and I just feel that none of the deer, none

694
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,479
Speaker 1: of the deer I want to shoot. I'm not gonna

695
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: say all the time, but you hit, you hit mid October,

696
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 1: early October. They's they're moving, but they're still nocturnal and

697
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: you can't do anything about that. So you're big on

698
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: annual patterns. You've got some spots. You've been on the

699
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: hunt for a long time. You know him well, so

700
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: you can say stuff like what you just did with confidence.

701
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: Right on the flip side, I know you came out

702
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: and hunted my home state in Michigan last year for

703
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: a little bit, running gun new spots, all brand new adventure.

704
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: So what I want to know is this. Let's say

705
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: I offered you five thousand dollars, five thousand dollars and

706
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: all expenses paid, food and lodging for to Michigan. Yeah,

707
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: but you can't hunt in Iowa. Would you take it?

708
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: Or would you say, screw your money and screw your

709
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: mitten state. I'm taking Iowa. But think of what we

710
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: can do that five thousand dollars, Dan, and you could

711
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: pay for an elkcount, you could pay for you know,

712
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: whatever you need, a bunch of those trail cameras. What

713
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: would you do? We're telling me. So you're you're saying,

714
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: let me lay this out again. You're gonna pay me

715
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. You're gonna feed and house me, but

716
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: I can't hunt Iowa, only Michigan. Yeah. So, so that

717
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: basically says you can't hunt your homestay at all. Michigan's

718
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: your only location. But I'm gonna pay all that money

719
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: and all of your needs in Michigan are taking care of.

720
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: You're gonna eat five star chef meals, you're gonna sleep

721
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: in a beautiful resort hotel with a spa, and they'll

722
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 1: do your nails and they'll wax your back whatever you need.

723
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: Is there is there a limitation on the time that

724
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: I can hunt, Like, can I hunt all the time,

725
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: every day, hunt whenever you want? Mm hmm. That's at

726
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: run that by my wife. But dude, that's it's tempting

727
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: from the point where I can go to Michigan or

728
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: whatever the end state is and have time to figure

729
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: everything out. Right, I can go into an area, throw

730
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: up the trail cameras, hunt it, scout it, check trail cameras,

731
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: and start to put more pieces of the puzzle together.

732
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: And I feel like if I could do that, I

733
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: could locate a top notch buck in any state. Like

734
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: I'm I'm pretty confident in that if I had the

735
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 1: ability to spend a lot of time scouting, show camera

736
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: data and hunting, and I'm like observation, hunts or whatever.

737
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: I feel like I could find a top notch back

738
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: and put a plane together to get him on the

739
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: ground with that set. Okay, I knew there was I

740
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: knew there was a butt coming here. Uh dude, Iowa

741
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: is magical and every year it is. Ye're like, it's

742
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: like nothing you've ever seen before. Mark, you can attest

743
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: to that, even even one weekend in Iowa is different.

744
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: Like even on my farms, I have other people hunted right,

745
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: like some of these people, Like I talked to people

746
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: on Instagram and Facebook just like you do. These people

747
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: have never seen dear that big from a tree stand before,

748
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: like art like this sounds like an arrogant thing to say,

749
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: but from the deer that I would never shoot. This

750
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 1: is the biggest deer some of these people have ever seen.

751
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: And although I would be up for the challenge, I will.

752
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: I will say that I would take that. I would

753
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: take that offer, but just not this year. Okay, all right, Well,

754
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: when I win the lottery someday, I'm gonna I'm gonna

755
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 1: actually make you do it. I'm gonna have the five

756
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 1: dollars and and try to see if you will actually

757
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: take me up on that than uh, you know, thank

758
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: God for hypotheticals. Yes, you're not You're not true. I'll

759
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: put this. I'm not gonna give you time frame, but

760
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: I will come back to bow hunt Michigan again. Good

761
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: all right, it was fun when he came out. I

762
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: want to do it one of these times. And I've

763
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 1: got time in like a place where we could actually

764
00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: like tag team a spot, um for a week. That

765
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: would be pretty cool. Yeah, and maybe you'd buy Andy

766
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: May and then where you going And I'll be like,

767
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: oh man, I'm going to the spot over here, and

768
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: then basically just me following into I mean, that's not

769
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: that's not a bad idea to get a buck on

770
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: the ground. Man. For some reason, this place was just

771
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: calling Jimmy. It's weird. I don't know what happened. Um. Alright,

772
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: new scenario and this is one that you can uniquely

773
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 1: answer because you've had to deal with this, and I'm

774
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: curious if you would. I'm curious how you'd approach if

775
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: you had happen to you again. So your head in

776
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: to hunt your best spots, like your best farm and

777
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: it's your first ton of the year, you know, I mean,

778
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: I know sometimes your first time of the year is

779
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: until later in the month. But let's say it's early

780
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: ash October. You go in. Their conditions are great, You've

781
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: stayed away from it for the last month. You've let it,

782
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: you know, soak and keep pressure low. You show up,

783
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 1: you're excited, and you realize that there are a bunch

784
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 1: of logging trucks. The owner of the property is logging

785
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: the sucker out. What would you do now that you've

786
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: been through this once before. Yeah, that's a very tough

787
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: question because the farm was different that year. Uh, and

788
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: I shot they Luckily they didn't. They didn't logged the

789
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,880
Speaker 1: whole farm at one time. They logged half one fall,

790
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: and then into that spring and the late winter and

791
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 1: spring they logged the other half. So it was a

792
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: fifty fifty type deal. Uh. And I was able to

793
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: bounce uh and kill my dear that that year on

794
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: the opposite side of the farm. But um, let's just

795
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: say for this question the purposes of this question, UM,

796
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: I did that that they were logging the whole farm

797
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: at one time. I would just try to find the

798
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: pockets where the does aren't being kicked out. I mean,

799
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: they can only logged so much at one time, and

800
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: I feel like there would still be deer coming through there.

801
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: I would probably hunt more towards the fringes in the

802
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: main terrain features leading in and out of the property.

803
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: Let's say that border up to a neighboring farm that

804
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: let's let's just say isn't getting logged, and set up

805
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: there and try to watch watch the traffic coming through,

806
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: a lot of observation, hunts, a lot of um you know,

807
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: if that hopefully he's he's there the next time, and

808
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: trying trying to find out where this movement is and

809
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: then real aggressive moves in again. Right, So pretty much

810
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: the same thing that I'm doing, just more observation, more

811
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: trail cameras, more uh more looking for that fresh deer sign.

812
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: I guess you want to say, and then and then

813
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 1: make it hard moves into it so it's not gonna

814
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: you're not looking like you have to find a new place.

815
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: You believe you could still make it happen. Well, I mean,

816
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 1: if it was so bad, I mean I have multiple farms,

817
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: so for me, there's always times where if let's just

818
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: say there's a couple other hunters, I'm I'm bouncing to

819
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 1: a new piece, or I'm going to the public down here,

820
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: or I'm gonna go to a different farm and and

821
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: see what's going on there. Like, my net is pretty

822
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: is cast pretty wide when it comes to like having

823
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: options on where a hunt, because I don't want that

824
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: scenario to have to affect me. Right, It's like, oh, ship,

825
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: they're logging, alright, Well the spot's blown out. Let's go

826
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: over here, you know what I mean. So having options

827
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: and having multiple farms to hunt and multiple pieces of

828
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: public picked out is something that I go into every

829
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 1: season having anyway. So it's just it's it's almost like

830
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: a good practice to have always have a backup and

831
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: a backup for your backup and a backup, back back up. Yeah,

832
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: that's a good way go about it, all right. Speaking

833
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: of other hunters, it's October, and because there's a mega

834
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: cold front that came through and you're super pumped about it,

835
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: and you've got the good the right wind direction to

836
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 1: hunt one of your favorite areas, you're gonna start your

837
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: rutcation a little bit earlier, so you're sneaking in. You

838
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: had to take care of the kids, in the morning,

839
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,959
Speaker 1: so it's like mid day kind of thing. You're gonna

840
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: head in to start your big trip, and you're coming

841
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: up to the top of a ridge. You came in

842
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 1: through a ditch. You're coming up to the top of ridge,

843
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: and just as you cresh the ridge and you can

844
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,919
Speaker 1: see over the rise, another hunter appears like ten yards

845
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: away from He was doing the same thing, but came

846
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: from the opp of the side. You guys meet up

847
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: at the top of the ridge or ten yards away.

848
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: You look at him, he looks at you. He's got

849
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: something in his hand. You look in his hand. He's

850
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: holding one of your trail cameras. Yeah, what do you do?

851
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: My heart just started beating real hard. All right, he's

852
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: holding my trail camera. If I'm picking up the phone

853
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: and I call the I call the DNR officer immediately

854
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: and out loud so he can hear me. I am

855
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 1: saying it is if I know him, I'll say his name,

856
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: I'll say I'm looking at him right now. He's holding

857
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: my trail camera in his hand. Um, why don't you

858
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: get out here and that's it and let him take

859
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: care of the rest. I mean, I'm not gonna I'm

860
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 1: not gonna sit here and mess around with mess around

861
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: with it. I'm not gonna say, hey, I'm gonna give

862
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: you an option. I've had too many trail camera stolen.

863
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: I'm unfortunately, whether that's the first trail camera he's stolen

864
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: or the tenth show camera this guy's stolen, he will

865
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: be prosecuted to the fullest extent. And like if it's

866
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: up to me, because I'm I'm done with that ship,

867
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,919
Speaker 1: Like I'm done with it. So if that guy wants

868
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: to play that game, he's gonna win fines, he's gonna

869
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 1: win whatever penalties that a guy gets for stealing ship,

870
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: that is what he's gonna get. So I mean, at

871
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: the same time, I'm just gonna be like, you know,

872
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: you're a dirt bag, probably subtly, you know. I mean,

873
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: let's be honest. As much as I would love to

874
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: walk over there and just beat the ship out of him,

875
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:27,320
Speaker 1: right shot, I don't want to. I don't want to

876
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: get shot, I don't want to get stabbed. Whatever. I

877
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: am just I'm going right to the police and I'm

878
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: gonna just say, hey, why don't you wait here, because

879
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna follow you back to your truck or whatever.

880
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: You're gonna do, so just stay here and we can

881
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: figure this out with with a conservation officer. Yeah, all right,

882
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 1: I thought that one muld hit home with you. And

883
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: if he hunts on the same property that I that I,

884
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: uh hunt on, I'm going straight to the landowner and

885
00:49:55,760 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell her tell him. Listen, I just caught

886
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 1: a guy stealing my trail camera. It's this guy. Uh,

887
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: you know, you do what you want, but I want

888
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: to let you know that if any more of my

889
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: trail cameras gets stolen, I'm holding him responsible for all

890
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: the throughout the years. And I think I have a

891
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: pretty good standing with my landowners that they would probably

892
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: just kick that person off off the farm. So now

893
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: they've not only lost you know, they're probably gonna have

894
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: to pay some kind of fine, they're also going to

895
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: lose some really good hunting property. M Yeah, i'd say,

896
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:39,479
Speaker 1: I'd say it's not a risk worth taking. No, Yeah,

897
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: So I want to find him. I want to find him,

898
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: get hit him. You know. Maybe I'll just knock an

899
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: arrow and launch one right like a little bit to

900
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: the left and see my luck. I'm so bad at him,

901
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: and they'd probably shoot the guy. Yeah, I man, that's

902
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: not a good idea for you. All right, let's take

903
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: a step back from Fiery Dan and uh talk about

904
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: another fun thing that I know about you. Um, it's

905
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: November one. You made it past the trail cam debacle. Uh,

906
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: this guy's gone. You're hunting again, and it's one of

907
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: those days that's special. You get it set up in

908
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: your standing in the morning and they're chasing there, running

909
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: in the woods, are on fire. Then it slows down

910
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 1: a little bit around nine o'clock, same thing. Ten o'clock,

911
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: ten thirty rolls around, and you're thinking about lunch. I

912
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: know you, you're already thinking like, I'm getting hungry. And

913
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: then you see him mature buck cruising. He's cruising out

914
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: of out of range though, so you saw him, Well, like,

915
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: I gotta stick it out a little bit longer. So

916
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: now eleven o'clock rolls by and you see a little

917
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: yearling chasing a doll. And then eleven o five comes

918
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,359
Speaker 1: by and there's a two year old cruising. So it's

919
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: eleven thirty now, and there's been a lot happened in

920
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 1: the last hour. But at the same time, you didn't

921
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: bring in a lunch. You had some snacks, your plan

922
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: on getting out to go somewhere else midday. Your knees

923
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 1: are hurting. I know your knees are hurting at this point, man,

924
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: give me. I told her this is the Dan Johnson roast.

925
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: What what do you do? What do you do at

926
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: this point? Uh? So, where your question is completely flawed

927
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: is there is always food in my backpack. There's always

928
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: something to eat, something to drink, always every time. So

929
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: I'm not too worried about that. Um, but I do

930
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: have a rule, believe it or not, that if there

931
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: is continuous movement throughout uh whatever time frame I'm sitting,

932
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: I'm sitting right. But at the same time as at

933
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: that when that big mature buck came through at whatever time,

934
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm trying to call to get him to come to

935
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: me right, I'm trying to get his attention and to

936
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: see if that works right, and then I'm gonna give

937
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: him if he if he doesn't respond, I'm going to

938
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,399
Speaker 1: give him enough time to where I think he can

939
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: loop around and then try to come into my position.

940
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 1: So and then you know, here comes another you know,

941
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: one year old, two year old whatever, three year old

942
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: coming in and messing around I'm not. I'm not just

943
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: gonna get out of my tree stand if there's good action. Uh,

944
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: when I leave my tree stand, it's been an hour

945
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: or so since the deer have, you know, have come by,

946
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: and so I'm probably gonna get out of my tree stand,

947
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: you know, I'm Or what I'll do is, if I

948
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: see where that buck went into, let's say a thicket,

949
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: I might move closer to that thicket, or I might

950
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: move to a different tree stand location right away and

951
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: hunt mid day there. But I just it's just one

952
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,760
Speaker 1: of those things. It's hard. I've I've hunted specific farms

953
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: so much that my farm so much that I feel

954
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: like I don't need to I don't need to hunt

955
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: mid day to be successful. Now that will change. If

956
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: I let's say, say I go to Missouri and I

957
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: find a really good trail and deer are constantly coming by,

958
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: but it starts to slow down. You know, I'll probably

959
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: stick it out. I'll probably stick it out until multiple

960
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: hours have passed with no siding. But then by that

961
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: time it's two o'clock, and then it's three o'clock, and

962
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: now you're you're gonna stay there? Anyway, I might get

963
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: down and do a little bit many scouting session or

964
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: something like that, come back up, or just climb up

965
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: and down my tree stand just I don't know, get

966
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 1: some blood circulating. But I don't know. It's just for me.

967
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: It's not about not hunting all day. It's about the

968
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: activity that I see when I decide to leave the

969
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: tree stand. If the activity is there, I'm gonna do it.

970
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit it out. But for me, uh, I

971
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: guess I got other things to do, jet trail cameras. Um,

972
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. Just not an all day guy. I

973
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: get it, man, I get it. Uh, here's another one

974
00:54:56,760 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: for you. Let's say you had that situation and the

975
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: movement died down and you had to move a little bit, right,

976
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: So let's say at eleven eleven thirty bailed went back

977
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: to your truck. But in your head, you're like, you

978
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna just grab something from my truck.

979
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: Maybe you want to grab another stand or something and

980
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: some water or whatever, and then I'm gonna head right

981
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: back out and I'm gonna stay out there till dark.

982
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 1: So you know, you've got a good six seven more

983
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: hours of sitting to do. And it's one of those

984
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: long sits. It's gonna be. As you're grabbing your gear

985
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,720
Speaker 1: at the back of the truck, all of a sudden,

986
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: I pop out of the woods. I just jump out

987
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: of nowhere and I've got three bags in my hand,

988
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: and I run at you. You're shocked because I'm not

989
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 1: suppos to be an as you thought I was in Michigan.

990
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: But here I am. I've got three bags. One of

991
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: my bags has got a three cheese to loop a

992
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: combo meal from Taco Bell. One of these bags has

993
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:55,240
Speaker 1: a classic double cheeseburger combo meal from Wendy's, and one's

994
00:55:55,239 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: a fuji apple salad from Panera Bread Taco Bell. That's

995
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: a bold, bold move with seven hours in the tree

996
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: head of you, dude, I got an iron gut, like

997
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 1: I've already had my morning poop. Right, I'll take it.

998
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, Like I don't drink coffee in

999
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 1: the mornings for that reason. Right, I will switch my

1000
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: my bowel movement schedule to post evening hunt. It's like

1001
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: this is a practice that I've It's like monks, right,

1002
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: they're able to like not feel pain. Dan Johns comparison.

1003
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: This is one right, I am able to shift my

1004
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: bowel movements from after morning coffee to after dinner meal. Right,

1005
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: so it's I don't know, I'm not afraid to eat

1006
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 1: a talk. I'm not afraid to eat taco bell before

1007
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: afternoon hunt. All right, well you heard it here first, folks,

1008
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: Dan Johnson will take Taco Bell to the tree stand

1009
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: and you know this mark. Uh if nature does call,

1010
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: I'm sky dumping. We had to find a way to

1011
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: sneak that in. Right there is there. We can wrap

1012
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: this one up now, all right, So speaking to sky

1013
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: dumps then, and uh in you know setting up midday, Uh,

1014
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: you've headed back in. You're gonna set up in a

1015
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: new location. And this is mid day now you've you've

1016
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 1: had your t bell, you're heading back in and you

1017
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: know the spot you need to get to write. You

1018
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: had this sighting and maybe that sighting just happened to

1019
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: line up with some trail camera info. Two. So you're

1020
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: really confident that this little pinch point zone maybe it's

1021
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: maybe it's a thicket with where some dos are bedded.

1022
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: And this buck is cruising the down one side of it,

1023
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: and you know that there's this little train feature that

1024
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: just like pins him into this little tight spot. It's

1025
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: it's picture perfect. It's great. Uh Honestly, I don't know

1026
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: why you weren't hunting there in the first place in

1027
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: the morning, but you didn't. You decided to be seventy

1028
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: eight yards back, and now you're making the move to

1029
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: get right there. Here's the problem, though, There's two trees

1030
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: available within range of that spot. One of them is

1031
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: a bean poultry like it's it's like eight inches in diameter,

1032
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: straight up and down and almost no cover at all.

1033
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's just a big bean pull.

1034
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: But man, that sucker is perfectly positioned. If you were

1035
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: to hunt that, the wind is gonna be almost bullet

1036
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: proof for you because there's a little bit of a

1037
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 1: ditch behind you that's gonna blow over and you're not

1038
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: gonna get busted from a wind perspective, and any buck

1039
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: that comes through that pinch point that you're gonna have

1040
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: a beautiful twenty yard shot. I mean, it's gorgeous, and

1041
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: you know, if you sat there and bucked it, what

1042
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: you wanted to be a chip shot even for you. Dan.

1043
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 1: The the the alternative though, and the thing to think

1044
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: about here is that that bean poultry is lacking some

1045
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: things that this other tree has. This other tree is

1046
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: short and scrubby. It has got all sorts of branches,

1047
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: it has got all sorts of winding, just junk and brush,

1048
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: and I mean it's it's perfect camouflage. You can get

1049
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: up in there and nothing's ever can see you. The

1050
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: problem is you can't get any higher than like eight

1051
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: or nine feet up. That's this tree is short. So

1052
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna get up in there, it's gonna be eight

1053
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: or nine feet up, and you're gonna have to clear

1054
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: out a lot. I mean, there's gonna be some work

1055
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: to even be able get into the tree, let alone,

1056
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: to get any shots. Which tree you're gonna pick, I'm

1057
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: probably as you described it, I'm probably picking the bean poultry.

1058
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get as high as I can with four sticks,

1059
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna face my tree stand on the opposite side,

1060
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: facing away from where I believe your movement's gonna come to.

1061
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: So although it's a small bean poultree, uh, it's still

1062
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: something between me and the deer. So I'm gonna get

1063
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: high and i'm gonna get you know, and I'm gonna

1064
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: be facing away so that i'll be facing the tree

1065
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: when the shot, when the shot comes, Does that make sense?

1066
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: And the reason I'm the reason I'm not picking all

1067
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: of that other work is because like for me, when

1068
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: I get into an area like I'm in pretty tight

1069
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: as it is, so I want to get up, Like

1070
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: I don't want to spend any time on the ground.

1071
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: There's times where I have to, you know, like potentially

1072
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: taking a pole saut or a handsall with me and chopping,

1073
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: you know, cutting some branches down. But that is a

1074
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: lot of noise, that's a lot of work, that's a

1075
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: lot of time spent on the ground where something couldn't

1076
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: potentially come by or you know, choose your scenario what

1077
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 1: happens there. And so I guess I would rather be high.

1078
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: Now if you told me I'm still ship, I'm still

1079
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 1: sitting low to the ground, but didn't have to do

1080
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: all that cutting, then I would probably take eight foot

1081
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: off the ground with good back cover as opposed to high.

1082
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: And note ever, but in that scenario, I'm not I'm

1083
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: not gonna trim all that just for an eight foot

1084
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: set like I'm gonna get high. Maybe I'm a little exposed,

1085
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: but I'm not bouncing around in a tree okay, so

1086
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: let's play it out a little further. You go up

1087
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: in that bean pole. You're I don't know how many

1088
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: sticks do you bring? Four or five? Four? Six? Alright?

1089
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 1: So your four sticks high and you spread them out wide.

1090
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: So you're up there, yeah, I don't know, twenty something

1091
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 1: like that. And you're you're up there. I forgot, I've

1092
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: got a little bit longer legs than you. Um, and

1093
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: you're you're facing away from where they think they're coming.

1094
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: And here comes a big old buck. He's the one,

1095
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: and you just like you knew it. This was the spot.

1096
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the spot of spots. Big Buck

1097
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: comes rolling through and he busts you like he he's

1098
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 1: the eighty yards and like, head up, he sees something

1099
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: doesn't like, turns goes the other way. You're like shit,

1100
01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: but you know, you know, maybe ten fift twenty minutes later,

1101
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 1: here comes a Doe family group coming down the trail.

1102
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 1: They get all the way into the pinch point. They're

1103
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: at thirty thirty five yards. But then big Mama Dough

1104
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: head up. Bam, she spots you up there too. So

1105
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 1: now I've been busted twice. And you think this is

1106
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: by sight or by smell, this is by sight or both.

1107
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: This is by sight. So I've made I've made a

1108
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 1: bad decision, right, and I've I've gotten busted for it. Right,

1109
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: You've been busted by a mature buck and some does.

1110
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: But at the same time, man like they're deer moving

1111
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: like deer coming through and all these deer want to

1112
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: head right to this spot. So you you know you're

1113
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: getting busted. But at the same time, you know, like geez,

1114
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 1: like I picked the right area. They want to be here.

1115
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:44,439
Speaker 1: What do you do? Do you stick it out thinking

1116
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: and hoping that maybe you'll get away with it one

1117
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 1: of these times, or do you say, shit, I gotta

1118
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 1: you know, I can't get away with it. There's no

1119
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 1: point being the best spotted. Yeah, if I've gotten busted

1120
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 1: by to like by the mature dough and the mature

1121
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: box of whatever of that area is you're coming through there,

1122
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: that's just two indicators saying that I made the wrong decision.

1123
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: So you have to move right, like, you can't just

1124
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 1: wish that away. It's not gonna happen. So I come down, Uh,

1125
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: I mean, there might be a couple of other options

1126
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: there where you go. You go down to the actual

1127
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: bottom of the tree, and you start cutting some branches

1128
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: or some stuff off of a um, a different tree,

1129
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 1: and you start hanging those in the tree with you.

1130
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: So so you're you're bringing up cover with you, so

1131
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: to speak, and uh, it's taking away your silhouette. But

1132
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: at the same time, that's a lot of work too.

1133
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: So for me, I guess I would probably one of

1134
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,800
Speaker 1: there's different scenarios here, But for me, I would probably

1135
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: tear down, stack up, walk up the trail where these

1136
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 1: deer came from, and then I would find a different

1137
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: tree up there. If if we're talking about like a

1138
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: whole bunch of trails intersecting with each other, and that's

1139
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: why I had to make that decision in the first place, well,

1140
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: then I'm probably gonna get into that other tree and

1141
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: you know, blow it out that night potentially because it's

1142
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: later in the hunt, but I'll have it set up

1143
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: for the next morning. If the wind direction is going

1144
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: to stay the same, all right, I like but for

1145
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:29,479
Speaker 1: the most part, I don't know. Just like being real still,

1146
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 1: you know, in that scenario, like I got a couple,

1147
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 1: I got a couple tree stand locations that are just

1148
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 1: like that where they're coming off the top of a

1149
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 1: ridge and at some point they are almost eye level

1150
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: with you before they drop down to cruise into this

1151
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,440
Speaker 1: little pitch, you know what I mean. And and so

1152
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: you have to be still. And dude, I'm not gonna

1153
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: say I don't get busted every year, because I do.

1154
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: I get busted every year by too much movement or

1155
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 1: not paying attention and deer are coming, you know, behind

1156
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: me or whatever. But if it's is it is it

1157
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 1: because of where I'm at and how I'm set up?

1158
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: Or is it because I was doing something dumb like

1159
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 1: I can I m But if I'm so silhouetted and

1160
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:19,960
Speaker 1: so skyline that I'm getting picked off by immature does

1161
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: and young bucks, then there's a problem. Yep, I get

1162
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: that logic for sure. All right, how about this one.

1163
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: We've had to deal with circumstances kind of like this

1164
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: to varying degrees over the years. Both of us have

1165
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: curious where your heads at these days. Uh, you've got

1166
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 1: a wonky thing going on with your schedule when in

1167
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 1: your wife's availability, really where you could hunt the first

1168
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: week of November and it's it's clear you got the

1169
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 1: whole first week in November and it's yours, no other obligations.

1170
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: You've got babysitters, you've got school, your wife's all sets beautiful.

1171
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: Problem is, October thirty one arrives and you look at

1172
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 1: the fourth cast and man, November one, seventy two, November two,

1173
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: November three, You've got a full week of seventies. Lousy,

1174
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: not what any of us dream about. So you're sitting

1175
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: there thinking, man, and let me let me add one

1176
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: more qualifier. For whatever reason you worked out with your wife,

1177
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 1: it's only gonna be a week for rutcation this year,

1178
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: just because it's been a crazy year. So you could

1179
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: you could pick that first week and you'll have the

1180
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,160
Speaker 1: whole darn week, man, but you're gonna have to deal

1181
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: with those weather, those weather situations. On the flip side,

1182
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 1: Sarah said, you could also have the second week and

1183
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 1: you look at the forecast and man, there's a cold

1184
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,240
Speaker 1: front coming through. Those seventies are gonna drop down to

1185
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: the fifties and forties. It's gonna look better. Problem is,

1186
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: you've got some obligations throughout the week. You're gonna be

1187
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 1: able to hunt to maybe three days. If you play

1188
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: your cards right, Max, you might be able to get

1189
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: three days that week. But man, the weather looks dynamite.

1190
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: Which week are you picking? And let me add a

1191
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: second deer hold, okay, which week are gonna pick? And

1192
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 1: then how are you going to approach hunting those two

1193
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 1: unique circumstances? Yeah, all right, so in a crazy way,

1194
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 1: deer hunting you take away all of the details to

1195
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 1: that question. Per se. Deer hunting is trying to get

1196
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 1: in a spot where you have a shot opportunity at

1197
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: a deer, right, not then we start throwing in all

1198
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: this other stuff. Right, The only thing I'm thinking about

1199
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 1: at this point is I'm still picking that first week.

1200
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm still picking that first week. Like, to me, the

1201
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 1: rut is happening, whether it's eight hundred degrees or well,

1202
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: then we'd all boil alive. You lost, You lost the

1203
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: game right there, right right there, it's eighty degrees out

1204
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 1: or it's the perfect third high pressure thirty you know,

1205
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:10,439
Speaker 1: thirty five degree days. Right, the deer are still gonna

1206
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: breed the movement at this point. To me, the way

1207
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: I look at it is, man, this is kind of cool.

1208
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 1: This is kind of good for me, because now the

1209
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: deer are only moving early in the morning, you know,

1210
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 1: for that first couple of hours where it's still cool

1211
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 1: out in November, and as that sun starts to set

1212
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: and it starts to cool down again, then they're moving again.

1213
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 1: So all that does is just the limit dates any

1214
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: midday thought process that I have to do. Right, it's

1215
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:43,639
Speaker 1: morning hunts and evening hunts, and I'm getting in tight

1216
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:47,680
Speaker 1: everyvery single hunt I'm gonna get into. I'm gonna back

1217
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: door bedroom, I'm gonna get right close to where I

1218
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: believe they're betting or where um I feel that these

1219
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 1: bucks are going to come out right. So for me

1220
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 1: time to figure are out that problem of getting a

1221
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:06,600
Speaker 1: deer within shooting range consecutive days as opposed to a

1222
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: couple of days here, A couple of days there has

1223
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: a more of a has more of a benefit to

1224
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,600
Speaker 1: me than just hunting one or two days, right, just

1225
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,640
Speaker 1: you know, hunting a day and then having two days off,

1226
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: and then hunting two days and having four days off,

1227
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 1: or whatever that scenario is. I'm picking the seven days

1228
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 1: in a row where I can start the process, check

1229
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 1: the trail cameras, get into the betting areas, observe, and

1230
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: put the pieces of the puzzle together. Knowing that the

1231
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 1: next day, I can use what I've learned to make

1232
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 1: a move, and then use that day to make a move,

1233
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 1: and then use that day to make a move, so

1234
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 1: that hopefully I've you know, I've gathered enough information over

1235
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 1: however many days I've hunted to put myself into a

1236
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: position to shoot a deer. I like it. You got

1237
01:09:56,080 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 1: a system, play the system, all right, system, and that's

1238
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 1: what that's what works for me, and I love, Don't

1239
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 1: get me wrong. I love going in and hunting that

1240
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 1: late October time frame, or if I have a post

1241
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 1: rut hunt or a late season hunt where you're just

1242
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 1: going in and kind of hoping something's they're not really

1243
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:19,759
Speaker 1: knowing if anything's there. But I like to the process

1244
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 1: that I've established for myself has led me too. It's

1245
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 1: just like information gaping, information gathering, go more and more

1246
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 1: and more and more, and then I don't know. It

1247
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: all adds up to putting a tree stand in a

1248
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 1: right spot to where you can shoot a dear. I

1249
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 1: value you, all right. We got a new face here, Dann,

1250
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 1: We got the rapid fire phase here. I'm gonna ask

1251
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 1: you a series of questions, one after the other. You

1252
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 1: can only give me like a one word answer. Okay,

1253
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 1: it's gonna be yes or no, or this or that.

1254
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:50,679
Speaker 1: I'm gonna run you through these and then we're gonna

1255
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 1: wrap it up, all right, Okay, all right, here we go,

1256
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: and some of the stuff we've talked about over the years.

1257
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 1: Of course, we've talked about probably everything under the stars

1258
01:10:58,120 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: over the years, but this is gonna be a nice

1259
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 1: way to synthesize it all down into thirty seconds. So

1260
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 1: here we go. Does the moon matter to dear movement? Yes?

1261
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 1: Or no? No? Would you take a fifty yard shot

1262
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 1: at a mega white tail with your bow? Yes or no?

1263
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 1: Broadside yes? If you could only have one of these

1264
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 1: for the rest of your hunts, would it be a

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01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:20,719
Speaker 1: set of Radley Antler's or grunt tube expandable or fixed

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01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 1: play broadheads? If I only had to pick one, Yeah,

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01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 1: you gotta pick. Should you stop a buck with some

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01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:38,719
Speaker 1: kind of sound before shooting if he's walking? Yes or no? Yes? Okay.

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01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 1: If you were coming to hunt in Michigan and you

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01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 1: had to pick a guide, someone's gonna guide you to

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01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 1: a buck in Michigan. You can't have Andy May he's busy.

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Speaker 1: You gotta pick either me or Further. Now me, I'm

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01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 1: very analytical, but I'm also kind of cranky, and I'm

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01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 1: high pressure, and I'm kind of intense. My hunting buddies

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01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: say that I'm I'm tough to be guided by. Uh.

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01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: While Further he's a little more laid back. Let's say

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01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 1: he's calm and cool. He's uh, he's probably more fun though,

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01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 1: you're picking Further, You're picking Kenyan Mark. God, this is

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01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: this is the hardest question out of all because Further,

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01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 1: I think I have fun with Further. Oh yeah, you would.

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01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:25,600
Speaker 1: I don't even know if. I don't even know if

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01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: I want to answer that question, because I don't want

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01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 1: to hurt you. I don't want to hurt your feelings. Alright, well,

1284
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 1: we know where this thing went. You're canceled. Podcast is done,

1285
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 1: your asshole. Next question, of course, I pick you. Next question,

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01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:52,879
Speaker 1: which state has better deer hunters, Michigan or Iowa? Michigan.

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01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:56,719
Speaker 1: Oh all right, this last one is not a rapid

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01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: fire question. You made it through rapid fire. Um, you

1289
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,560
Speaker 1: hast just barely. You've got an F plus. Um. But

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01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: here's the final question. I have all the powers in

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01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 1: the world, and I have been granted the ability to

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01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 1: take away your rights to hunt forever. You will never

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01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 1: get to deer hunt ever again, except unless you can

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01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 1: kill a four and a half year old buck or

1295
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 1: older this season. You've got to kill a four and

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01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 1: a half year old buck this season. If you don't,

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01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 1: never hunting again. If you do, you're golden. Here's the problem, though,

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01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 1: I'm only gonna give you one day to do it,

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01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 1: and you've got one stand location to do it from.

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01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:45,680
Speaker 1: So you need to tell me what's the date you're

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01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 1: gonna pick and describe in detail the specific spot location

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01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 1: details of where you would set up for your one

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01:13:54,840 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 1: very high pressure set. Do do I get to uh?

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01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 1: Do I get to pick the weather as well? Well,

1305
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 1: I've got I'm all powerful in this scenario, but because

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01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 1: I'm a good friend, I'll say yes, Okay, all right,

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01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 1: So here it is. It is. We're gonna be We're

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01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 1: gonna be in a a staging area. Okay, We're gonna

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01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 1: be on the top of a ridge leading to a

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01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 1: food source that is potentially still standing or you know

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01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 1: the dear activity nocturnally is happening here. I'm going to

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01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 1: go into a staging area, I'm gonna say, and I

1313
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 1: like picking one specific day is is tough, but let's

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01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 1: just for all intensive purposes, say November November eleven. Okay,

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01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: it's November eleven. It is. Um. Yeah, So I'm gonna

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01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 1: be in a staging area that's probably a hundred yards

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01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 1: off a egg field. In this staging area is just

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01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of shredded trees. It's uh. It's the

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01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 1: place where the deer hold up to chill out for

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01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 1: a second before they head into that into that egg field.

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01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:26,719
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting on the downward side of this ridge,

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01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 1: um where this in this staging area, and the wind

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01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:34,680
Speaker 1: is blowing like I expect, the deer movement had come

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01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 1: to my left, but the deer the wind is blowing

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01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:40,679
Speaker 1: in my face over top of this ridge down into

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01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 1: this uh valley below me, this drainage below me at

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01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,759
Speaker 1: a quartering angle in the deer are gonna be walking

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01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 1: this ridge thinking that they have the advantage. Meanwhile, twenty

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01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 1: yards to the right of them is my scent going

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01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 1: right down into this drainage. So, I mean, I don't

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01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 1: know what more you need. That is where I'm setting up,

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01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 1: and that's the date, and it's probably gonna be if

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01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 1: if I get to pick the weather it's gonna be

1334
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 1: after all day rain like it started raining the previous night.

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01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 1: It rained for ten hours, and I got into the

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01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 1: tree at three in the afternoon, and I got an

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01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 1: hour and a half to hunt. And that's that's my scenario.

1338
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 1: I like it, and I like your boldness. Most people

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01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 1: in the answer this question, they're gonna talk about what

1340
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 1: where does the boldness come into play? Right here? Most

1341
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 1: people would say they're gonna hunt the whole day. You said,

1342
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 1: give me an hour and a half and I'll get done. Yeah, well,

1343
01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: you know, most other guys would describe the spot where

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01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna hunt in the morning and they're hunt in

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01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 1: the evening. But you said, give me this picture perfect

1346
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:48,599
Speaker 1: scenario for an hour and a half and I'll get

1347
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 1: it done. So I would say you are the most

1348
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 1: confident in you're set up, which I can appreciate. Which

1349
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 1: I can appreciate. You look at my wall and all

1350
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 1: the deer that I've shot. Of all the deer that

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01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 1: i've shot, I have right let's see one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.

1352
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 1: I got eight mounts, okay, and of those deer, four

1353
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 1: of them have been shot in evening hunts after long

1354
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 1: periods of rain. It makes sense the rain stopped, they

1355
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 1: got other beds and shot. You gotta love that. Give

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01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 1: me that. I'm playing the odds at that point, So

1357
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 1: give me that scenario. All right, I'm giving it to you.

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01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,720
Speaker 1: I like it. Then you did well. You made it

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01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 1: through the gun. If you're the all powerful, can you

1360
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 1: maybe make that deer have a drop time? Then yeah,

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01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 1: I'll give him split brows too, split brows in the

1362
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 1: drop's mark. Get back every single bad thing I've ever

1363
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 1: said about you. Yeah, I was gonna say, I holpe,

1364
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 1: you feel really bad about picking further over me? Now?

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01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 1: Uh man, uh tell tell folks what you've got going

1366
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 1: on these days? Where can people see the ten million

1367
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 1: pieces of content you're producing? Um, give us the Update

1368
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:13,679
Speaker 1: and Sportsman's Nation and all that stuff. Yeah, I guess

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01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 1: one thing really that I mean, I've been doing a

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01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 1: lot on milf hunter dot com lately. Um, there's a

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01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: lot of milf milf Hunter. I thought that's what you said.

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01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, all right, yeah, I mean just the Sportsman's Nation. Man.

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01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 1: One thing that we're we're really expanding on is state

1374
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 1: specific podcasts, right Like, so I'm getting ready to launch

1375
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 1: Wisconsin podcast. We have a Missouri podcast, we have a

1376
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 1: Ohio podcast, we have a Michigan podcast. Uh, we're working

1377
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 1: on in Pennsylvania themed podcast. So a lot of the podcast,

1378
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 1: like the Nine Finger Chronicles, is a great podcast, but

1379
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 1: it's nationwide. We don't really other than specific episodes, we

1380
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 1: don't get really niche about states. It's just like a

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01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 1: story from here, a story from there, you know, content

1382
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 1: from here, content from there. But these these podcasts are

1383
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 1: gonna be state specific. So I mean that's one thing

1384
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 1: I'm pretty jacked up about. Um. And then on top

1385
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 1: of that, it's just like more podcast. I did a

1386
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 1: couple of uh cooking videos, the Nine Finger Kitchen on

1387
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 1: the Sportsman's Nation YouTube channel, and that is gonna pick

1388
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 1: back up in June once my camera guy gets back

1389
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 1: from his turkey hunting adventures. And uh, that's really it, man,

1390
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 1: Just a ton of a ton of badass content coming

1391
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 1: out of the network. That's awesome, dude. Well, UH highly

1392
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:50,160
Speaker 1: encourage everyone listening to check it all out. Keep up

1393
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 1: the great work, man. It's been awesome to see uh

1394
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:55,600
Speaker 1: all the things you've got cooking, and uh, it was

1395
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 1: a lot of fun to get to do this. Yeah,

1396
01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:01,680
Speaker 1: appreciate it, Mark, and you know, it's just like I

1397
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 1: can't believe it. I still can't believe that. I'm What's

1398
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:08,920
Speaker 1: what's crazy about this is like the money, like people

1399
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 1: are paying me to have fun basically, and it's crazy.

1400
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 1: Like I I I love it, and I hope that

1401
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 1: comes off. And even my conversation today with you and

1402
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 1: I know that you're probably in some way, shape or form,

1403
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 1: is still kind of awe struck about where where you're

1404
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 1: at in your life. And it's just and that that's

1405
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: where like I appreciate that. But at the same time,

1406
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:35,599
Speaker 1: I understand that as much as I am crazy about

1407
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: doing all this and I'm thankful for my business, like

1408
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 1: for me, it's equally as important to give back in

1409
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 1: some way, shape or form. So um like I'm I'm

1410
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,480
Speaker 1: helping I'm doing some work for the National Deal Association.

1411
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 1: I'm a board member on two percent for conservation. So

1412
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where I really like, I

1413
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 1: want to focus on giving back just as much as

1414
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 1: taking in. So that's that's one thing that I'm kind

1415
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:04,760
Speaker 1: of pushing forward proud of too. That's awesome, man, That's

1416
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 1: what you gotta do. And uh, I'm right there with

1417
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 1: you on the au stark thing. I keep on waiting

1418
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 1: one of these days that someone's gonna tap me on

1419
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:12,840
Speaker 1: the shoulder and say, you know that this is actually

1420
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 1: a mistake, that they didn't really mean to hire you,

1421
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 1: or they really people thought they were listening to somebody else.

1422
01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 1: We're happy to send you back to the cubicle. So

1423
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 1: I'm waiting on that one. But so far, so good.

1424
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 1: Be the guy that like that information. Alright, man, let's

1425
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 1: wrap this one up, all right, and that's a wrap.

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01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 1: Appreciate you tuning into this one. I hope I hope

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01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:40,040
Speaker 1: you laughed as much as I did. I hope you

1428
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 1: enjoyed this one, got a little more insight into how

1429
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 1: Dan's brain works in the white Tail Woods, and uh,

1430
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 1: I hope you had a good time. So thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining me, and until next time, stay wired to Hunt.