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Speaker 1: it was not ideal news for the Cubs. We saw.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember what day was, maybe Sunday, Saya Suzuki

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Speaker 1: had an awkward slide. I believe he Saturday. Was it Saturday? Okay, Saturday,

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Speaker 1: Saturday night. It wasn't clear exactly what happened. It seemed

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Speaker 1: like he banged his knee against the ground on a

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Speaker 1: very weird, bad slide at first slide into second, came

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Speaker 1: off the field limping. To me watching it, I was like,

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Speaker 1: that can't be that bad of an injury because there

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Speaker 1: this awful, Like it didn't look like it was a

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Speaker 1: they were kind of vague about it. Oh mri coming up,

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Speaker 1: TikTok of how it all went down at camp.

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Speaker 2: Well, says, Azuki knows he shouldn't be sliding head first.

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Speaker 2: He sort of made a joke about that on Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: but rewinding, the Cubs have are continuing to evaluate SaaS Azuki.

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Speaker 2: There has not been sort of like there's been more clarity,

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Speaker 2: but not any sort of definitive statement regarding opening day.

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Speaker 2: He has a sprained PCL in his right knee. They

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Speaker 2: got to that diagnose after that what looked kind of bad,

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Speaker 2: just just the imagery of him walking gingerly off the field.

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Speaker 2: Sunday was a long travel day from Florida back to Arizona.

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Speaker 2: I believe there were some delays involved, so he didn't

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Speaker 2: really get to the cub's facility until Monday. He met

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Speaker 2: with Cubs team doctor. I understanding he has met with

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Speaker 2: the Japanese doctor as well as the Marlins doctor in Florida.

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Speaker 2: I believe it's called Loan Depot Park now, and it

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Speaker 2: would say as was wearing kind of a light brace

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Speaker 2: Council described as an injury minor in nature. He framed

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Speaker 2: it as good news at least in relation to some

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Speaker 2: of the worst case scenarios you could have conjured in

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Speaker 2: your mind. But still I came away from those media

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Speaker 2: sessions thinking he's doubtful opening day. If you're optimistic, maybe

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Speaker 2: are gonna basically take this through the weekend. They can

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Speaker 2: start making decisions around Saturday. Suzuki is not shut down.

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Speaker 2: He will continue doing baseball activities and will progress as

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if your Cubs fan back home

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Speaker 2: in Chicago, it's not that oh no injury that sort

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's you know, it's not terrible news,

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Speaker 2: Look, I mean say, it's been a very good major

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Speaker 2: going out there and building off what was an excellent

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Speaker 2: And you know, he cleared thirty homers one hundred plus

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I mean I think it would be

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Speaker 2: And they're in that window now of discussing and deliberating

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Speaker 2: You know, the Cubs gave Piker Armstrong a ton of

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Speaker 2: I would probably put Dylan Carlson ahead of Chas McCormick

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's always possible. They do have. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's disastrous news, So I think the Cubs will take this.

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Speaker 1: I believe counsel even referred to it as good news.

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Speaker 1: you don't need to worry about it. That that seemed

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Speaker 1: like bad news, but avoided the worst. We'll see how

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Speaker 1: long he's out. We will be back with more episodes

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Speaker 1: this week. Patrick a few more, a couple more episodes,

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Speaker 1: updates from camp, and get everyone prepared for opening day,

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Speaker 1: which is eight days away. Fun time at Wrigley. We

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Speaker 1: hope it's bearable weather, not bear's weather, but bearable weather,

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