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Speaker 1: hit the practice field, as is the norm on a Wednesday,
Speaker 1: they are set up outside for an outdoor practice in
Speaker 1: what figures to be hopefully this is the last outdoor
Speaker 1: practice over ninety degrees. What do you think meteorologists making
Speaker 1: I didn't think. You're probably wrong. Oh okay, all right,
Speaker 1: well we have no hope for us. Yeah, it's been
Speaker 1: a long time since I heard that drop of this show.
Speaker 1: That's good. I like that. Yeah, yeah, But we just
Speaker 1: got done with a Jason Garrett press conference and some
Speaker 1: news coming out of that press conference. As we get
Speaker 1: things kicked off here, Brian, you are you ready to
Speaker 1: play on that offensive line. I'll tell you what, you
Speaker 1: don't want me playing in that offensive line. That would
Speaker 1: be too pretty right now. But no, they've got they've
Speaker 1: got some things they're going to have to work through
Speaker 1: with practice today. We all understand that Cam Fleming is
Speaker 1: going to go for Tyrant Smith. We kind of had
Speaker 1: that one down. We didn't expect though, the while Collins one,
Speaker 1: I don't think we didn't see that back. Yeah, Ailment
Speaker 1: coming in on that rocked up I guess after the game.
Speaker 1: So looks like in practice today you're gonna have three
Speaker 1: new guys in well, at least in different spots on
Speaker 1: that first team line. So you're looking at Connor Williams
Speaker 1: playing some tackle today. Tackle kind of felt like Connor
Speaker 1: Williams was going to play tackle anyway. If Lyle Collins
Speaker 1: had practice, I had feeling they were going to maybe
Speaker 1: work him at one of the tackle spots just to
Speaker 1: kind of get that swing tackle practice. Haven't seen him
Speaker 1: practice at with with the offensive line with that excuse me,
Speaker 1: with the tackles, uh and since the since OTAs and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, So this will be but he you know,
Speaker 1: he was a starter at University of Texas at left tackle.
Speaker 1: I mean when you evaluated him, you could valuate him
Speaker 1: as a tackle, a guard, a center. I mean I
Speaker 1: saw the New Orleans Saints work him out as a center,
Speaker 1: thinking that, and so guys got to he's you know,
Speaker 1: made a lot of starts at high level of college football,
Speaker 1: and if you had to play, I'm sure he could
Speaker 1: play for you. Pretty well. I saw Dak walking out
Speaker 1: to practice in body armor. You're not like this, you're
Speaker 1: concerned about this, Mick, Well, let's take it one step further.
Speaker 1: Cam Fleming has to start it left tackle, Connor Williams
Speaker 1: has to start it right tackle, and one of your
Speaker 1: get hurt. Yeah, Zack Martin get ready, Yes, Because like
Speaker 1: Brian mentioned, that's he's a guy that played. You need
Speaker 1: another guard. Brandon Knight can play both, play both spots.
Speaker 1: Brandon Knight hadn't been active. Like I said, I'll tell you,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of teams with worst offensive lines in
Speaker 1: the National Football League plan right now. Well, they feel
Speaker 1: like they got some depth there, but it's going to
Speaker 1: be tested potentially, at least it's looking more likely according
Speaker 1: to Jerry that no tyrant, at least for this game. Sure,
Speaker 1: we'll see. Um, maybe Collins gets this day and he
Speaker 1: can work in as the week goes on. Um, But man,
Speaker 1: that's you know, you're going up and gets a pretty
Speaker 1: good front this week in Green Bay and you didn't
Speaker 1: have a good time, a good showing controlling the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage this week. You got to do a better
Speaker 1: job of that this week, for sure. So we'll see.
Speaker 1: Body armor is a little strong, but you know it's
Speaker 1: you're right, there's something they got to work through. And
Speaker 1: some positive news though at the wide receiver position. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup went out there and proved to them, to
Speaker 1: Britt Brown into san Jay Lyle that he can actually
Speaker 1: practice today. And so he'll go out there and give
Speaker 1: it a go. They call it limited. I'll be interested
Speaker 1: to see how limited he really is. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think if he makes it through this week, okay,
Speaker 1: then you're gonna see him playing in a football game
Speaker 1: this week. I think if he's limited is because they
Speaker 1: want him limited. Yeah, they don't want to overdo it
Speaker 1: after you know, having surgery and being out for a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. But I got a feeling he's he's
Speaker 1: ready to go. I think Mickey's right, he's gonna play,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of on the same timetable that we expected.
Speaker 1: It was a scope on his knee, and so that
Speaker 1: can mets two to four weeks. He went on the
Speaker 1: short side of that though. Yeah, that's you know, that's
Speaker 1: a credit to him too that he can get out there.
Speaker 1: And again, we've talked about this. It's the it's the
Speaker 1: will this to want to rehab and to get back
Speaker 1: out on the field, and that's what he was able
Speaker 1: to do. So, you know, good for him. It's good
Speaker 1: if they can get him back there and get him involved.
Speaker 1: You know that the Packers and talk to some folks
Speaker 1: up in Green Bay last night. They're struggling with some
Speaker 1: injuries at their corner. It looks like the it looks
Speaker 1: like King, uh, Kevin King has got a growing injury
Speaker 1: and we'll probably not practice, will be on the injury
Speaker 1: port all week and he might not even play well
Speaker 1: in the injury growing Okay, he's got some growing pages. Yeah,
Speaker 1: did I say it right? And then probably not. I'm
Speaker 1: just kind of I was like going off the uh
Speaker 1: the I was going off your reads, is what I
Speaker 1: was doing. He's been waiting all season for again, somebody
Speaker 1: else been a while. We had growing injury. I had
Speaker 1: a growing injury. But no, they they're they're they're a
Speaker 1: little bit of a little bit of a bind right
Speaker 1: there at cornerback spot because they do Jerry Alexander is
Speaker 1: really good player, but the other corners are you know,
Speaker 1: Kings did a pretty good job. But if he can't play,
Speaker 1: then they're they're in some they're in some trouble there
Speaker 1: right now with their with the situation. They're in a
Speaker 1: bind at wide receiver too. They are, And I get
Speaker 1: into that, I'm sure, yeah, but DeVante Adams is not
Speaker 1: going to play. He's not gonna Yeah, he's not gonna pay.
Speaker 1: He had a great game the other day. Sure did
Speaker 1: what ten catches one hundred and eighty yards. It's encouraging.
Speaker 1: And when you play Philadelphia, you know you can throw
Speaker 1: the ball like that. And then they bring Scandrick in there,
Speaker 1: see you feel even better about that. But the thing
Speaker 1: about it is that with Adams out of the yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be about Geronimo Allison and and and also
Speaker 1: uh yeah they scandling An Awards, but yeah, those those
Speaker 1: you know, but it's a quarterback too. You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to deal with this guy. That's that's such a pain
Speaker 1: in them, you know what to have to deal with
Speaker 1: that guy. He'll still get the ball to different guys.
Speaker 1: But man, you go back and you watch the Jimmy
Speaker 1: Graham will catch a few. Get ready for that. Even
Speaker 1: watch the first drive against Philadelphia and the first three
Speaker 1: balls go to Adams and he's lining up in all
Speaker 1: different spots. He's outside, he's in a slot. They throw
Speaker 1: running jet sweep with him. He's their guy. So and
Speaker 1: the running game hasn't gotten on track either, So things
Speaker 1: to work through. But nobody feels sorry for you in
Speaker 1: this league because everybody's got something, no question. And um,
Speaker 1: they also got another problem. So their other inside tell
Speaker 1: us how the running game gives up a lot of yards.
Speaker 1: Lee don't say it, Mickey last week. So they're without
Speaker 1: their other inside linebacker or Burkes has been out with
Speaker 1: a peck. Yeah, and when they go to their nickel
Speaker 1: with when Philadelphia went three wide, their other kind of
Speaker 1: linebacker was a safety. Yeah, Adrian Amos, they'll they'll play Will,
Speaker 1: they'll play Will Redman there too, number twenty five, Well
Speaker 1: mostly yeah, so they they they don't like. So they
Speaker 1: got Martinez as a single linebacker in the middle of
Speaker 1: the field. Good player, good player, but he they got
Speaker 1: exposed with the way they played their nickel defense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that's the way they play play it. Though they
Speaker 1: don't know how they stopped the run doing that, well,
Speaker 1: they don't, but let's not talk about that because every
Speaker 1: time we talk about somebody that can't defend the run.
Speaker 1: They looked like the eighty five Bears playing the run.
Speaker 1: Philadelphia ended up with the I want to say one
Speaker 1: hundred and six. Let me you know, you know how
Speaker 1: they did it, though the Philadelphia did a great job.
Speaker 1: They did. Now I don't think the Cowboys are capable
Speaker 1: of doing this with their tight ends, but the Dallas
Speaker 1: Goddard and those guys, the way they trapped, they trapped
Speaker 1: the ends. So what they did was they down block,
Speaker 1: pulled guys and then trapped with their h or they're
Speaker 1: tight end and they hit They hit the Packers on
Speaker 1: I mean, the Packers had no answer for that scheme
Speaker 1: right there. None. So yeah, it's nice job Sanders. Those
Speaker 1: guys they ran the ball with some toughness in that game,
Speaker 1: but a lot of down blocks, a lot of pulling.
Speaker 1: You know, they were just trying to angle they make
Speaker 1: the packers kind of take them where they wanted to
Speaker 1: go and then run the ball where they had vacated
Speaker 1: where they were able to push guys past the lie backers,
Speaker 1: the down linemen, and that Philadelphia did a really good
Speaker 1: job with their with the way the scheme is set up.
Speaker 1: But they again, I don't see the Cowboys whamming, you know,
Speaker 1: with their tight ends or trapping with their tight ends
Speaker 1: with that much success like the like the Eagles had. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but if Cam Flemings at left tackle, you're gonna see
Speaker 1: the tight end over there helping, no question, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be there helping. But I'm saying that they so wide. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they played their linebackers so wide on the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage there was gaping holes to start with. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: and we'll get into it as we go on through
Speaker 1: the week. Um. Defensively, Um, you know, of course, they
Speaker 1: had Don Capers calling the shots for years and years.
Speaker 1: How does this three four look different from past three
Speaker 1: fours as far as putting pressure on the quarterback because
Speaker 1: they've got those two outside smith guys they picked up
Speaker 1: in free agency who are outstanding so far. So Jarius
Speaker 1: Zarius Smith is for real and then we all Preston, Oh,
Speaker 1: you know, we all know Preston from Washington. That's gonna
Speaker 1: be tough. And that's what Mickey's kind of alluding to,
Speaker 1: that they're going to have to figure out how they
Speaker 1: want to play or how to help Cam Fleming. And
Speaker 1: you know, Jason Garrett was describing the type of technique
Speaker 1: that Cam Fleming uses and it's kind of all over
Speaker 1: the place, you know, footwork, you know, blocking with his
Speaker 1: back turning on guys all that. He's absolutely right about that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I have a feeling that the Packers are
Speaker 1: going to try and attack him. They're going to see
Speaker 1: where he's at pass protection wise and uh and go
Speaker 1: that route. They're probably trying to attack Connor Williams in
Speaker 1: this game as well, see if he's up to it.
Speaker 1: You know, when you look at Kenny Clark as their
Speaker 1: nose tackle, he's a guy that has quickness and some
Speaker 1: power to him. So you know, those are those are
Speaker 1: all pressure points for the Cowboys right now as we speak.
Speaker 1: All I know is when Cam Fleming started the game
Speaker 1: against Washington last year in place of Tyrann Smith, I
Speaker 1: think it took the Cowboys almost four quarters to throw
Speaker 1: a ball further than twenty yards in the air or
Speaker 1: ten yards in the air, and that's everything was little
Speaker 1: out quicks and when he and when he didn't get
Speaker 1: help over there, and they did it in different ways,
Speaker 1: it was fifty fifty. Well they he was good against
Speaker 1: the run. I'll give him that. He was okay against
Speaker 1: the run, but boy in pass protection, Preston Smith. It
Speaker 1: was Preston Smith right on that side. And then when
Speaker 1: they got in third and long, Oh, no, we're gonna
Speaker 1: put Karragan over on your side and see how you
Speaker 1: do over there. Saw you watching that tape back. So
Speaker 1: that's your concern too, that they've got to bring somebody
Speaker 1: in tight end, somebody to chip. I bet. I bet
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the plays the tight end was
Speaker 1: sitting over there to start, or he was motioning over,
Speaker 1: or the running back was on that side, and when
Speaker 1: the running back would go out, he didn't necessarily chip him,
Speaker 1: but he gave fleming protection to the outside so he
Speaker 1: could just guard the inside. Yeah, well, we're gonna let
Speaker 1: Chaz Green happen again to him, Yes, exactly. Well, they
Speaker 1: saw something they liked in him, though, because they gave
Speaker 1: him a two year deal, two year deal. I think,
Speaker 1: come back. I think it's it's like, well, what else
Speaker 1: is out there? Exactly? Well, he remember though they did
Speaker 1: win the Philadelphia. Yeah, they were a couple of games
Speaker 1: with the playing in there and and and the technique
Speaker 1: is not pretty. We all understand that. We'll see guy
Speaker 1: made a starting a Super Bowl, which is even more
Speaker 1: amazing to me, right tackle, right, bas Yeah, yeah, sure
Speaker 1: it did. It gets it gets the Eagle Eagles. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So it's kind of crazy you think that you would,
Speaker 1: you know, he's played against Eagles a couple of times
Speaker 1: in his career and then done. Okay, but yeah, Mickey's right.
Speaker 1: I just think you cannot let you cannot let that
Speaker 1: side of the field ruin your game plan if you
Speaker 1: have to make those rushers go wider by putting a
Speaker 1: guy over there. At least it gives Dak the opportunity.
Speaker 1: He knows, he knows, he trust me, Dak knows. How
Speaker 1: about that that throw he made the Giants game with
Speaker 1: with flaming over there, and then you know, Olivier Vernon
Speaker 1: comes screaming off the edge and Dak has to spin
Speaker 1: and throws the ball to Beasley down the field. He
Speaker 1: knows what's over there at left tackle, trust me, he does.
Speaker 1: One other note for green Bay, they're compromise potentially on
Speaker 1: their offensive line. Brian Brian Bologa has got his shoulder,
Speaker 1: so we'll see what he does, if anything today that
Speaker 1: could affect them and their receiver situation. I mean, Green
Speaker 1: Bay's dealing with some stuff. Alex Alex Light over there
Speaker 1: for them, that number seventy. If he's over there, you
Speaker 1: just put If you play fantasy football, put put Lawrence
Speaker 1: on your on your roster this week if you don't
Speaker 1: already do it. I guess I don't know. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that, but you know it to me because that
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a problem. They're gonna it blogged us
Speaker 1: at play. Then they're going to have to do something
Speaker 1: to help on that side over there with with Light.
Speaker 1: Well that that they had trouble on the left side
Speaker 1: against Philadelphia. Yeah, back to Harry or you it's like
Speaker 1: growing David backt he he didn't look like the same guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah in that game. Well, we'll see. You can drink
Speaker 1: a beer on you though, drink a beer. Maybe that
Speaker 1: was the problem. And speaking of roster type stuff and
Speaker 1: practice squad and so forth. What do you what are
Speaker 1: you thinking as far as what they do with the
Speaker 1: Cavon Frazier spot on the fifty three. I bet you
Speaker 1: that's where we talked about. They're gonna bring up Gonna.
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised one or the other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's either gonna be Jones. It's either gonna be Jones
Speaker 1: off the practice, Josh Jones, who they signed today, or
Speaker 1: it's going to be Bryant. And they love Bryant because
Speaker 1: when he does scout team stuff, he almost blocks every
Speaker 1: punt and he almost I mean he does things he
Speaker 1: kind of when you talk to him, it's like this
Speaker 1: guy shows up. I mean I was talking to Keith
Speaker 1: Quinny Goes. I didn't even know the guy's name, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he's showing up in these practices
Speaker 1: and he Goes. I learned his name real fast because
Speaker 1: he's showing up doing things that we you know that naturally.
Speaker 1: You know, he looks like he's just it's something he's
Speaker 1: done all his life. But that's you know, they need
Speaker 1: to get something out of these receivers that you know,
Speaker 1: they need to get something. They don't get anything out
Speaker 1: of Wilson. You know, playing special teams other than a
Speaker 1: secure catch, that's all they get it from him. So
Speaker 1: why don't you put somebody out there that can block,
Speaker 1: somebody that can go after the ball, somebody that can
Speaker 1: do a little more than what he's done. So if
Speaker 1: if Ventel show that he can handle this in practice
Speaker 1: as a special teamer, then you just use Donovan Wilson
Speaker 1: in Cavon spot right on special teams because he was
Speaker 1: inactive last week, so you make him active this week,
Speaker 1: which means one of those other wide receivers will be
Speaker 1: inactive if they bring Ventel to the fifty three. So
Speaker 1: who would that be, well, either Cedric Wilson or Tavon Right,
Speaker 1: Tavon could be Smith, but they take but if depends
Speaker 1: on how they feel about Galli. Yeah, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: as far as Mickey s right, Gallops gonna play Gallops
Speaker 1: of Warrior. He you know, two weeks come on, he's
Speaker 1: gonna He's he's trying to play. He knows how important
Speaker 1: these games are. He can see who the other corner
Speaker 1: is for Green Bay. That's all he needs to do,
Speaker 1: especially if it's not Kevin King. Just just walk nova
Speaker 1: check out there and tell him that you know, I
Speaker 1: had the same surgery and I made it back for
Speaker 1: the first round of the playoffs. It sounds like gallops already.
Speaker 1: Now he'll be fine, already wise to that, he'll be fine.
Speaker 1: That's why he was out there yesterday, and he's gonna
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Speaker 1: You're a first up. I'm talking cowboys on this Wednesday. Hello, Joe,
Speaker 1: how you guys doing a long time listener? I just
Speaker 1: had a couple of things. Number one, how come this
Speaker 1: team doesn't utilize the skill sets of the players that
Speaker 1: they have, Like I think that we need to help
Speaker 1: our running back out some by opening the field up
Speaker 1: for him. And you got Tavon Austin. And even if
Speaker 1: the play does not connect down the field, send this
Speaker 1: guy on a nine round on first down and you
Speaker 1: may get a flag, you may get a connection, but
Speaker 1: at least you're giving these opposing and coordinators something to
Speaker 1: take a look at. When this guy's in the game,
Speaker 1: he's just not going to run across the field and
Speaker 1: run a jet suite for three yards and try to
Speaker 1: help zeek out. So instead of you know, uh, kind
Speaker 1: of similar to what we were seeing last year, where
Speaker 1: you're having this guy run the same exact plays into
Speaker 1: brick walls and you know, not not getting much result.
Speaker 1: The second thing, I yes, yes, yes, Bryan, did you
Speaker 1: did you go back and watch the game? Did you
Speaker 1: go did you go back? I'm asking, I'm just asking
Speaker 1: I did not, sir. Okay, you need to go back
Speaker 1: and watch and see how many times he didn't he
Speaker 1: ran into a five and six man box in that game. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're playing Cover two. Okay, that'll tell you right there,
Speaker 1: they could never get him out of Cover two is
Speaker 1: what they did. So if you're playing, if you're playing
Speaker 1: against Cover two, you're gonna get a lot of, you know,
Speaker 1: five six man boxes. You're gonna get a couple of
Speaker 1: seven man boxes if they walk a guy late. But
Speaker 1: you know, I understand what you're saying, But go back
Speaker 1: and watch the game and watching many times they played
Speaker 1: cover two in this game, they should have been able
Speaker 1: to run the ball. And these guys, they didn't do
Speaker 1: a good enough job up front. Okay, okay, good question.
Speaker 1: A second is good teams find a way to get
Speaker 1: it done. For example, Kansas City, nothing was working for
Speaker 1: them against Detroit. Sure my homes wasn't my homes, and
Speaker 1: they still found a way to get it done. Do
Speaker 1: you guys think this team is good enough? Because we're
Speaker 1: gonna go on a stretch, We're not gonna play the
Speaker 1: Redskins every week, and we're gonna have to find ways
Speaker 1: when things aren't working to get it done. And I
Speaker 1: will hang up and listen. Thank you guys for all
Speaker 1: you do. M thanks for having me. Yeah, check out
Speaker 1: that game, Joe, appreciate you. We're gonna find out a
Speaker 1: little bit on Sunday against the Packers, they're going to
Speaker 1: be dealing with adversity at the left tackle position. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they sure are. And you know that that I just
Speaker 1: to me, that's you played against the team in the Saints,
Speaker 1: that that took some things away from you, you know,
Speaker 1: and you just that some spots you just weren't good enough,
Speaker 1: physical enough to make it work. But you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I just don't think the answer is just sending guys
Speaker 1: vertically down the field. You know, well, I think the
Speaker 1: answer is the answer is when you have opportunities to
Speaker 1: make plays, whether it's a past that we've seen Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott complete one hundred times, or it's you know, a
Speaker 1: pass across the field on third down, or it's maybe
Speaker 1: making it a tackle at the point of attack, you know,
Speaker 1: to kind of get you off the field. You know,
Speaker 1: I think that was more about that than it was
Speaker 1: anything else. I mean, it's you could say, try and
Speaker 1: help and do this. But you know, they also say
Speaker 1: the players, you know, the coaches put the players in
Speaker 1: positions to make plays. I'm not defending the coaches. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying better execution would have been would have won
Speaker 1: that football game. You know, they didn't have it there's
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame tight end who's only lost what
Speaker 1: five fumbles in his career. It loses a fumble and
Speaker 1: that derails a drive. Right, there's a there's a go
Speaker 1: for it on fourth down and one, and everybody's screaming,
Speaker 1: oh my god, don't do this, don't do this, and
Speaker 1: then he you know, but he goes for it, and
Speaker 1: I applaud Jason Garrett for doing that and he got it,
Speaker 1: and he got it and his elbow was down. So
Speaker 1: but then there's adversity because you don't always get the calls,
Speaker 1: even that year. But I think if Joe had watched
Speaker 1: the first three games that there were guys running downfield.
Speaker 1: Remember Devin Smith on a fifty one yard post Packy
Speaker 1: that was against the job That Giants are two and two,
Speaker 1: they're one game behind the Cowboys, right, so let's not
Speaker 1: minimize that. Now. That's that's right, yep? Um? All right?
Speaker 1: What's the big concern outside of left tackle? As you
Speaker 1: look at this packerston right tackle and right tackle for now,
Speaker 1: and that makes left guard too because you're moving your
Speaker 1: left guard to right tackle. Okay, what's your biggest concern
Speaker 1: with this Packers team outside of it Aaron Rodgers. Let's
Speaker 1: put it to Okay, we know Aaron Rodgers outside of
Speaker 1: sir er, I'm sorry, that's where my concern starts and
Speaker 1: ends right there with a right, we've seen it. We've
Speaker 1: seen how many games have we seen? You know? Uh,
Speaker 1: like I told the guys this morning, you know, he
Speaker 1: seems to pull a rabbit out of his head half
Speaker 1: whatever whatever it's coming out of. And uh, that was
Speaker 1: that was actually Aaron or Aaron Rodgers play where Jason
Speaker 1: I think it was Aaron Rodgers. So you know, there's
Speaker 1: got to be a question watch if you watch the Eagles,
Speaker 1: if you watch the Eagles game, I mean when he
Speaker 1: got outside of the pocket, he was thrown darts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's surely what he does. And and and to me
Speaker 1: that that hasn't changed. Yeah, I don't know what the
Speaker 1: offense they're running or anything, but to me, I'd rather
Speaker 1: him in the pocket, thrown throwing the pass that he's
Speaker 1: supposed to instead of improvising outside because there ain't nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with his arm and there's nothing wrong with his accuracy.
Speaker 1: They should probably be four and oh and they're three
Speaker 1: and one. And it's the same thing that this this
Speaker 1: offense here had problems with last year, and it's the
Speaker 1: red zone. They were three of seven in the red
Speaker 1: zone against the Eagles. And I went back and I
Speaker 1: charted it, and they had nineteen red zone plays, No.
Speaker 1: Twenty two red zone plays, nineteen passes, three runs. How
Speaker 1: many inside the five? I didn't chart that, but inside
Speaker 1: the twenty last four the last two drives they had eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they had eight shots down there? Didn't they go
Speaker 1: four and four? It's what they did. And Rogers got
Speaker 1: picked off late in the game. So how much of
Speaker 1: that is faith and one of the greatest quarterbacks of
Speaker 1: all time? Or they don't think they can run the
Speaker 1: ball down there? Well, I think you could have rant
Speaker 1: it once at the one yard line. They did get
Speaker 1: a one yard they got a touchdown run in the game,
Speaker 1: but they didn't try to run down there. And they
Speaker 1: looked at their stud quarterback. Yeah, but he didn't have
Speaker 1: a stud wide receiver at that time. Well throughout the
Speaker 1: game as well. I meant, I meant those last two
Speaker 1: possessions when they came down and this is that and
Speaker 1: they didn't score. This is gonna come down to to me,
Speaker 1: their ability to They've got to the Cowboys have got
Speaker 1: to get back to the things that they were successful
Speaker 1: were the four in the first three weeks of the season.
Speaker 1: They got to go into attack mode here, they really do,
Speaker 1: I mean, and then again, I'm I understand what analytics
Speaker 1: people saying about the one on first down, But if
Speaker 1: that's your best way of moving the ball, throw on
Speaker 1: first down and set up other things. But yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and it might be difficult with this offensive line if
Speaker 1: if in fact it's as banged up as we think
Speaker 1: it is, it might be difficult to do that. It
Speaker 1: might be difficult to do that, to run the ball.
Speaker 1: You know, what's the best what's the best thing you
Speaker 1: can do? Can you throw it or can you run it?
Speaker 1: In these situations if you're compromised in the offensive line,
Speaker 1: I think they got to go into attack mode here, though,
Speaker 1: I really do. I think that to me, you know,
Speaker 1: if we take advantage of if the packers aren't good
Speaker 1: in certain spot, take advantage of that, go after their
Speaker 1: corners a little bit, you know, go after uh you know,
Speaker 1: if they if they if they're struggling with the certain
Speaker 1: some certain areas, I mean, just go after that. I
Speaker 1: just felt like that they didn't play they didn't play
Speaker 1: attacking football the other day and that there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people that will agree with you. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: didn't attack certain areas that were weaknesses in the Saints.
Speaker 1: I didn't think so. And it plays and again I
Speaker 1: was I was on the show this all last week
Speaker 1: and we and we break this step down. We talk
Speaker 1: about and it's like the middle of the field, the
Speaker 1: middle of the field, the safeties, the middle of the field,
Speaker 1: middle of the field. We talk about that and what
Speaker 1: are the big plays they made the middle of the field.
Speaker 1: We're just too late to get there on that. And
Speaker 1: it was the weird circumstance. I know, with the crowd noise,
Speaker 1: they were nervous about what Dennis Allen was doing. They
Speaker 1: didn't feel comfortable block in the front. But they didn't
Speaker 1: execute well enough. But they need to get back in
Speaker 1: that attack mode because if you know, if you don't
Speaker 1: attack this, if you don't attack the packers and score points,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna win. I don't care who that a
Speaker 1: guy on the other side's throwing the ball to, because
Speaker 1: he will make whoever's playing on the outside good. He
Speaker 1: will find a way to make that those guys good.
Speaker 1: So you better find ways to get on the board
Speaker 1: and put pressure on them, you know, in a lot
Speaker 1: of different ways. And I just feel like though that
Speaker 1: that that team wasn't the team that we had seen,
Speaker 1: you know, in the first first three weeks of the season.
Speaker 1: Or if you throw it down the middle of the
Speaker 1: field and make sure you don't fumble. Yeah, the huge play,
Speaker 1: I mean huge play. I mean they're moving the football right,
Speaker 1: there's mid field twice and they lost the ball. It's
Speaker 1: at least ten yards fifteen yards from a field goal
Speaker 1: ATTWNT and you lost by two points third and two
Speaker 1: to Cobb in the fourth quarter. Play was there to
Speaker 1: be made? There are plays to be made. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: didn't make them. Brian and IOWA. You're next up on
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys all O Brian, Hey, good morning gentlemen. Hey,
Speaker 1: I got a question may for Brian about Quinn's versus
Speaker 1: All Yeah. I don't know if you ever see this,
Speaker 1: but with scouting stuff, do you ever see the impact
Speaker 1: that Hugh Breens, like the other great defensive ends of
Speaker 1: just creating space from them self between him and the
Speaker 1: offensive lineman just get around round around the corner and
Speaker 1: and is it possible you can explain of how you
Speaker 1: can't teach that. It's just it's just that type of
Speaker 1: instant that's mom and dad, right, that's what that is, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: But he just does that so much well, and just
Speaker 1: like child Haitie did or or or or Reggie White
Speaker 1: of just of getting that space and I will hang
Speaker 1: up and listen and and thank you. Okay, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: been This guy is always the great now, Reggie White.
Speaker 1: It's a different body type, completely different body type than
Speaker 1: what you talked about with Hailey and Quinn and those guys.
Speaker 1: The great pass rushers have the ability not to allow
Speaker 1: the offensive tackles to get their hands on them. That's
Speaker 1: the first thing. The first thing you want to do
Speaker 1: as an offensive tackle is stop the momentum of the rusher.
Speaker 1: All the great ones when you when when they're going
Speaker 1: up the field and they're working corners, as long as
Speaker 1: they feel like that they're not being stopped, they're going
Speaker 1: to make it to the to the ball carrier, they're
Speaker 1: gonna make it to the quarterback. So that's you have
Speaker 1: to have that ability. You have to have the understanding
Speaker 1: of how to get rid of hands and how to
Speaker 1: be able to get your front shoulder past them and
Speaker 1: around the corner, you know, and not go too far
Speaker 1: up the field, stay flat to the quarterback. Make sure
Speaker 1: you get to the ball. That's a big problem. A
Speaker 1: lot of these are younger rushers. They go straight up
Speaker 1: the field and they get past the quarterback and never
Speaker 1: able to get back inside to get to play. The
Speaker 1: veteran guys, the guys have a field for that. They
Speaker 1: know how to get rid of the hands, dip the shoulder,
Speaker 1: run flat, and then get to the quarterback and then
Speaker 1: attack him when they get there, which is all the
Speaker 1: more important against this guy. Absolutely, this guy hold the
Speaker 1: ball on you a little bit. Now. I mean he'll run,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, but he's held the ball a
Speaker 1: lot more. And it might have to do with his knee,
Speaker 1: I mean the collar bone, the knee, stuff like that.
Speaker 1: His desire to really really want to run and murder
Speaker 1: you that way is not as strong as it once was.
Speaker 1: It's gonna say, you're not seeing that as much. No season, Well,
Speaker 1: thirty six and the fact, yeah, the thirty six and
Speaker 1: the fact that he missed six, seven, eight games every year,
Speaker 1: you know, because he of a collar bone, a knee,
Speaker 1: things like that. But I hate to say he ran
Speaker 1: five times for forty six yards against the Eagles, and
Speaker 1: he could run. If he could run, wasn't to the outside,
Speaker 1: he was when you lose containment inside, he's going right
Speaker 1: through the guards. If it's third and nine, he will
Speaker 1: get ten. That's absolutely the way he thought. He's still
Speaker 1: got the he got shy. He ain't shy. And that clarification.
Speaker 1: He turns thirty six on December second, so he's thirty
Speaker 1: five right now. Yeah, I can't wait when we come
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Speaker 1: We've got Becky who wants to talk with Mickey. Hello Becky, Hello,
Speaker 1: mister Bell, Hello everyone, Hello Becky, Hello Becky. I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to this. You got a bone to pick with mix.
Speaker 1: I really love everything y'all do. I watch and read everything.
Speaker 1: Thank you, and mister Mickey, I've been trying to get
Speaker 1: to you since Monday, because it's nothing bad for you,
Speaker 1: rib Mickey. But no, I always look at the other
Speaker 1: team's websites, which are horrid. By the way, y'all are
Speaker 1: so simpler and everything y'll do, thank you. There's nothing
Speaker 1: but Sean Payton had a media time on Friday, and
Speaker 1: he volunteered. No one asked him. He said, oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, we've we've had these referees for twelve games.
Speaker 1: We've won eleven. Oh yes, I know, sheffers and I'm like,
Speaker 1: what gee, they already have an ace in the hole,
Speaker 1: they got their in their pocket. I should have worn
Speaker 1: my right hat today, right man. That just irritated me
Speaker 1: to note end, to hear that, and then watching the game,
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my gosh, it's it's it.
Speaker 1: I was furious. I mean, Amari Cooper did not push off.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that guy just slipped and waved his arms
Speaker 1: and and in Thatt Colins zeke just I'm I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm rambling. That's all right now. Minutes a day. You
Speaker 1: should have heard Vicky in the press box Sunday night
Speaker 1: after the fourth second play that was two seconds. Oh
Speaker 1: I know, I know. He wasn't a happy pamper. They
Speaker 1: didn't start the clock when the moss snapped. He was
Speaker 1: already in throwing motion before they stopped the clock. I
Speaker 1: taped the game. I watched again. I tell you it's
Speaker 1: it's mhm. If so May needs to I hope Coach
Speaker 1: Garrett just blasted them when he got his chance after
Speaker 1: the game. I mean, but what can it be done
Speaker 1: when there's a crew like that that's almost almost favoring
Speaker 1: a team when they call their games. Can they break
Speaker 1: them up or what? You know what, ma'am, this is
Speaker 1: gonna surprise you. I used to do this for a
Speaker 1: living with like when you know, to chart referees, Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: but you'll be surprised how many good referees Jason Garrett has.
Speaker 1: You would be surprised that guys that you know that
Speaker 1: if you know, if we were doing talking Saints or
Speaker 1: talking Buccaneers or talking they would someone would come on
Speaker 1: and say the same thing about Walt Anderson, you know,
Speaker 1: because there's there's certain officials that Jason Garrett has had
Speaker 1: that's worked pretty well in his favor too. It's just
Speaker 1: the league of the league assigning officials just the way
Speaker 1: it works out. Wow, that's all right, Becky, be pissed.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I just I've just been on, just been
Speaker 1: on my brain since Friday and I couldn't get until now.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, we appreciate you checking in with us.
Speaker 1: All right, I watch every day. Thank you? Good less. Okay,
Speaker 1: thanks Becky. Let's go to Rashad and he's next up
Speaker 1: here on talking cowboys from Jacksonville. Is that Jacksonville, Florida
Speaker 1: or Jacksonville, Texas? No, actually, I mean jackson Mississippi. Oh,
Speaker 1: jackson the producers geography challenge today. I may not have
Speaker 1: heard it right, Okay, he's young. I had a couple
Speaker 1: of things I wanted to talk about. One of them
Speaker 1: was the offensive game plan. I didn't right to understand it.
Speaker 1: And I heard the other caller, uh, kind of talk
Speaker 1: about Tavon Austin. I'm not a big Tavon Austin fan,
Speaker 1: so not really him specifically I want to talk about.
Speaker 1: But I just felt like they didn't take any shot
Speaker 1: down the field at all, and they had been pretty
Speaker 1: successful with that, you know, the first three games. And
Speaker 1: I understand they were playing cover two or what have you. Free, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean teams play that. I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: like it's a brand new defense. I mean, teams see
Speaker 1: that every week. Seems like they should have been able
Speaker 1: to adjust to that and at least take some shots
Speaker 1: to leap down the middle of the field or or something.
Speaker 1: They just didn't seem very aggressive at all, So I
Speaker 1: didn't quite understand that. And the other question I had
Speaker 1: was defensively, how do you think they'll approach the receiver
Speaker 1: since Adams is not playing? I know if Adams was playing,
Speaker 1: they would probably have Byron Jones shout on him, but
Speaker 1: I wanted to see what their thoughts are. Do you
Speaker 1: think zones will shadow scantling or you think they'll just
Speaker 1: play sides, or what do you think they'll do as
Speaker 1: far as the defensive approach. And that's all I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about. And I'll hang up and listen to
Speaker 1: you guys, Thank thank you. You know how you get
Speaker 1: teams out of that cover two? You out execute them
Speaker 1: underneath or the Cowboys didn't execute, or you run the ball,
Speaker 1: or you run the football one of those two teams
Speaker 1: you've got to You've got to execute them out of
Speaker 1: that to make them come up and put an extra
Speaker 1: guy in the box to stop the run. And then
Speaker 1: you can take some shots down the field. Otherwise, all
Speaker 1: you're doing is you're throwing right in right into what
Speaker 1: they want you to do, no question. And the safeties
Speaker 1: were and the other thing that was happening the corners
Speaker 1: at times were backing off also. So basically you had
Speaker 1: to be able to run those slants and execute and
Speaker 1: then do it well enough. And so that's how you
Speaker 1: get teams out of that. Ye got to execute. Defensively,
Speaker 1: They're going to play sides. They always do. That's just
Speaker 1: that's their m O. Now, if they get in a
Speaker 1: third down package where they like we saw a little
Speaker 1: bit last week they had in a third down the
Speaker 1: one play that Michael Thomas made, they put Byron Jones
Speaker 1: on him in the slot and had him run with
Speaker 1: him and he had they ran him through trash. It
Speaker 1: was a great play. It was it was the play
Speaker 1: that basically that they that the Cowboys ran to Cobb
Speaker 1: without Cobb making the catch, moving right to left. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So yeah, they they're gonna they're gonna play sides and
Speaker 1: unless they feel like that they need to. Now, I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what with these receivers for the Packers, though,
Speaker 1: these guys are long, I mean, there you talk about
Speaker 1: some high point receivers here, So you know, a Woozier Jones.
Speaker 1: I don't know so much worry about Jones because I
Speaker 1: think he's got the leaping ability. But a Woozier has
Speaker 1: had some problems with guys. Let's go back to the
Speaker 1: Dolphin game where he had problems in that game with
Speaker 1: Parker in the elevation that he had. So keep an
Speaker 1: eye on that as we as we worked through this week. Marquez, Valdez,
Speaker 1: Scantling and Geronimo Allison. They got Allan Lazard on their
Speaker 1: team too. Sure it was Allison sixty three. Valdez scatt
Speaker 1: Ling is six to Fourizard's about six eight, No, sixty five.
Speaker 1: They got some big guys, no question. Jimmy Graham can
Speaker 1: still be a you know, I think he's got nine catches,
Speaker 1: but a couple of touchdowns. He can still you know,
Speaker 1: make plays down seven. Yeah, yeah, all right, that does
Speaker 1: it for this basketball show of Talking Cowboys. You'd be
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