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Speaker 2: Dean Blandino, the head of Fox They're a rules official,
Speaker 2: former head of officials for the NFL. He'll join us
Speaker 2: coming up in an hour from now. We'll talk about
Speaker 2: the Tush push because in a moment of frustration trying
Speaker 2: to look at this and he was on the call
Speaker 2: with the Eagles and the Chiefs. He said, I give up.
Speaker 2: I don't know how you officiate this. We'll talk to
Speaker 2: him about that. And is that reason enough for two
Speaker 2: more owners to say they don't want the Tush push
Speaker 2: and they'll vote against it because it was two votes
Speaker 2: away from being tabled, Well, it was table. Bit, it
Speaker 2: was two votes away from being eliminated from the NFL.
Speaker 2: That will happen in an hour from now. Let's see
Speaker 2: eight seven seven three DP show operator Tyler. He's sitting by.
Speaker 2: He'll take your phone calls. Pull question for the second hour. Actually,
Speaker 2: let's clean up first hour poll questions and then go
Speaker 2: down hour two.
Speaker 3: Seaton.
Speaker 4: Yeah, first hour we kind of pivoted a little bit.
Speaker 4: Who's more super bowlish, the Buccaneers or the Chargers. Right now,
Speaker 4: the Chargers have sixty seven percent of that vote, which
Speaker 4: is the opposite of the way I think the room thought.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think an easier path for Tampa Bay.
Speaker 2: I have to factor that in. They have been consistent
Speaker 2: the last what four years?
Speaker 3: Five years?
Speaker 2: They won their division, and I mean they won a
Speaker 2: game last night that I didn't think they were going
Speaker 2: to hanged up offensive line, but Baker Mayfield did a
Speaker 2: great job leading the team down to victory, and here
Speaker 2: is Baker after the game.
Speaker 5: In these two minute close games, we were not on
Speaker 5: the right side of things for the past couple of years,
Speaker 5: and it's good to see that we haven't even played
Speaker 5: close to our best ball in all three phases and
Speaker 5: we're still finding ways to win on the road.
Speaker 3: And that's that's really important.
Speaker 5: It is to not out loose side of that we're
Speaker 5: finding ways to win, but also we do need to
Speaker 5: get things fixed.
Speaker 3: Some of these games can make it.
Speaker 5: Easier on ourselves and try and put the teams away earlier.
Speaker 5: But this is a good team that we played, so
Speaker 5: it's we expected a hard fought battle. But yeah, it's
Speaker 5: nice to be on the right side of it.
Speaker 2: Fifth consecutive beer two Sampas open up the season, two
Speaker 2: and oh longest active streak in the NFL.
Speaker 3: What other pole questions putting up there right now?
Speaker 4: The AFC team that two and oh that won't make
Speaker 4: the playoffs?
Speaker 3: Your options?
Speaker 4: They're Bill's Chargers, Bengals, Colts two and oh team that
Speaker 4: won't make the playoffs from the AFC.
Speaker 3: I'll say the Bengals there.
Speaker 2: I do believe in the Colts. I mean the Colts
Speaker 2: could have made the playoffs last year. I think it's
Speaker 2: a talented team. I know we want to look at
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones and say you're not going to make the
Speaker 2: playoffs with him.
Speaker 3: I think he just has to do enough.
Speaker 2: You got a really good running back, you got skilled position,
Speaker 2: and I think they're sneaking now. I'm not saying they're
Speaker 2: a great team or boy they're going to be dangerous
Speaker 2: in the postseason, but I do think they have a
Speaker 2: playoff caliber roster.
Speaker 3: Yes, Tod, And how do.
Speaker 6: You score on your first ten possessions of the season.
Speaker 6: I find that amazing that they got at least a
Speaker 6: field goal the first ten times they touched the ball.
Speaker 2: Well, it also helped they were playing against the Broncos
Speaker 2: this weekend. By the way, Todd gets a pie to
Speaker 2: the face at the end of the show that I do.
Speaker 3: I don't know what kind of pie. I left that
Speaker 3: up to the back room guys.
Speaker 2: Unless you requested something after your Broncos lost to thee
Speaker 2: I did not.
Speaker 6: I'm just going to let it randomly find out later
Speaker 6: on what it is.
Speaker 2: Dylan just sent me the Super Bowl odds for the
Speaker 2: Chargers and the Buccaneers after last night. Who do you
Speaker 2: think has better Super Bowl odds? This according to DraftKings,
Speaker 2: if you said the Chargers, you would be right plus
Speaker 2: sixteen hundred, the Buccaneers plus two thousand.
Speaker 3: Whoa stand of a day? Stanta day, Statuta day, stand
Speaker 3: outa day.
Speaker 7: This is the stele of the day.
Speaker 2: A lot of chattered today about Tom Brady being in
Speaker 2: the coaches booth last night with the Raiders lost. They're
Speaker 2: not even hiding. I mean it's right there, like Tom
Speaker 2: part owner, and you're allowed to sit in there and
Speaker 2: help Chip Kelly and his staff. Albert Breer, Monday Morning
Speaker 2: Quarterback sent out a tweet. People think of just the
Speaker 2: strategic stuff, but it goes deeper than that. You can
Speaker 2: also gather pertinent detail on players in production meetings to
Speaker 2: inform free agent signings and trades, or figure out who
Speaker 2: the key assistant coaches are and try to poach them.
Speaker 2: Lots of layers to this. With Tom Brady and his
Speaker 2: role at Fox and as a minority owner of the Raiders,
Speaker 2: James Palmer, he says that Tom Brady meets with Chip
Speaker 2: Kelly two to three times a week to go over
Speaker 2: film and go through the game plan and every weekend,
Speaker 2: Brady is calling a game for Fox, gathering as much
Speaker 2: information as possible from players and coaches from both teams
Speaker 2: to be at his best in the broadcast booth period.
Speaker 2: Got it, snarky? Got it, yeah, Paulie.
Speaker 8: Tom Brady earlier in the day yesterday announced a partnership
Speaker 8: with Fanatics to play a flag football game in Saudi
Speaker 8: Arabia next March. That was the second most controversial thing.
Speaker 3: He did.
Speaker 8: Think about that per a second.
Speaker 2: Once again, it's apparently not a conflict of interest, and
Speaker 2: uh well, I might have a problem with it, but
Speaker 2: you know, I'm one voice. I just don't like the
Speaker 2: look of it. And if the owners are okay, quietly
Speaker 2: okay with this, maybe they're not, I wouldn't be. But
Speaker 2: I just can't imagine if I'm Ben Johnson and I'm
Speaker 2: the Bears head coach and we play the Raiders the
Speaker 2: following week and Tom is going to be calling our
Speaker 2: game this week?
Speaker 3: How forthcoming am I going to be? Or can I be?
Speaker 3: Should I be? Yeah, Paulie.
Speaker 8: And that's another competitive advantage, Like the Bears now have
Speaker 8: to go into a production meeting and they need every
Speaker 8: bit of help they can get. Thinking about how they
Speaker 8: attack that production meeting instead of walking in, giving a
Speaker 8: few lines to the production team and the announcers and
Speaker 8: walking out. Now they have to adjust what they're doing
Speaker 8: for Tom.
Speaker 2: I haven't been in those production meetings. All I know
Speaker 2: is football night in America. Rodney and Tony would go
Speaker 2: in and they would they would have information. They were
Speaker 2: told things, but they were told things that we don't
Speaker 2: want you to tell anybody anything. It was embargoed. You
Speaker 2: don't tweet them out. This was something that you would
Speaker 2: be using if you were calling a game, they would
Speaker 2: give you this information. Hey, third down and long, what's
Speaker 2: your philosophy? You know that jet jet sweep? You know,
Speaker 2: explain what your philosophy is with that. Hey, hey, this player,
Speaker 2: why are you only using him this much? Who's the
Speaker 2: guy who's really surprising you on? Like I mean, there's
Speaker 2: all these questions that you would ask, But then what
Speaker 2: you say, You've put a team in a delicate predicament.
Speaker 2: But also fox in doing the game because Tom has
Speaker 2: to get this information. Now. Granted, he's smart enough to
Speaker 2: know certain things, but I can only tell you from
Speaker 2: what guys that I work with would tell you or
Speaker 2: tell me when they got back from these meetings. The
Speaker 2: coaches love to tell you something, Hey, watch for this,
Speaker 2: and you were embargoed. You couldn't use it.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 2: It was one of those unspoken hey, I'll tell you stuff,
Speaker 2: but only use it during the game because you don't
Speaker 2: want the opponent to go, oh, did you see what
Speaker 2: such and such tweeted out or just told you know
Speaker 2: whoever you know you got. They give you information, They
Speaker 2: love to talk. They love to talk to each other's language. Hey,
Speaker 2: when they do that too, safety and then bothera da
Speaker 2: d about it. And then you know, Jimmy Lipper goes
Speaker 2: banana white, you know, scooty scooty, and then you're like,
Speaker 2: that's a tough play stop though you have banana y
Speaker 2: scooty scooting. Yeah on one, sure thing, yeah pulling.
Speaker 8: But you'll hear this a lot and not even know
Speaker 8: you're hearing it, especially with someone like Kirk kirk Street
Speaker 8: during college games. I talked to Brenton Venables the other day.
Speaker 8: When you hear him mentioning assistant coaches and coordinators and saying,
Speaker 8: they're really looking to this this that's Kirk's pregame prep
Speaker 8: and all these guys do this. But you hear it
Speaker 8: during the game.
Speaker 2: Specifically, let's see Sean in Florida. Hi, Sean, what's on
Speaker 2: your mind today?
Speaker 10: Good morning Dan? First and foremost, so I want to
Speaker 10: give a quick Tampa Bay. Baker Mayfeld and the Boys
Speaker 10: balled out last night. I want to say my six
Speaker 10: held daughters are biggest fans. She's home six today. She
Speaker 10: compelled me to call Dan as the boys Stephen wore her.
Speaker 10: I'm trying my best at the field day last year
Speaker 10: was amazing. A quick question, maybe a poll question. Is
Speaker 10: there a better clutch quarterback than Baker.
Speaker 9: Mayfield right now?
Speaker 10: I think he leads the league and fourth quarter comebacks moment.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Sean. I hope your daughter feels better today.
Speaker 2: I'd still lean with Patrick Mahomes being clutch. I like
Speaker 2: what I see, but I've always liked what I saw
Speaker 2: with Baker Mayfield. You know, he had a chip, he
Speaker 2: has a chip on his shoulder and somehow, some way
Speaker 2: he's going to find a way to beat you. And
Speaker 2: he did that in college. I mean, he got kicked
Speaker 2: to the curb in a couple of places in the NFL,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, who was he going
Speaker 2: at Kyle Trask that was his competition I think with Tampa.
Speaker 3: Does that sound right, yes, Marvin, Yeah.
Speaker 11: I felt bad for Baker going early in his career
Speaker 11: because he kind of had the arch Manning thing where
Speaker 11: he was a rookie and he had all these commercials.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Yeah, what ended up happening with I think Odell Beckham
Speaker 11: was the turning point where he tried to play Kate
Speaker 11: and try to you.
Speaker 3: Know, force the football to him. Definitely, he did what
Speaker 3: those progressive commercials. Yeah.
Speaker 8: Paul Baker's third year in the league with Cleveland, he
Speaker 8: was eleven and five as a starter, twenty six touchdowns,
Speaker 8: eight picks. They did not give him the big contract
Speaker 8: after year three. If they would have, they would have
Speaker 8: had him for four or five more years. They pushed
Speaker 8: it back and that next season is when he started
Speaker 8: getting injured. Seventeen touchdowns, thirteen picks, and they didn't have
Speaker 8: to sign him, which they should have.
Speaker 3: PAULI has a quick NFL game. Here we go.
Speaker 8: You mentioned Brandon Aubrey, the star kicker for the Cowboys.
Speaker 8: He only makes He's making under one million dollars this year.
Speaker 8: He's the second lowest paid kicker in the entire NFL.
Speaker 3: This season.
Speaker 12: Wow.
Speaker 2: Who He's a restricted free agent, right, so he can
Speaker 2: go out and get offers and then the Cowboys have
Speaker 2: the final say if they want to match.
Speaker 3: Correct.
Speaker 8: Okay, who is the highest paid kicker in the league
Speaker 8: this season? And how much does that person make this season?
Speaker 3: And you want to take you see on a roster? Yes?
Speaker 8: Oh, yes, oh, I know what you're saying. That's that's
Speaker 8: well done by you. But not justin Tucker. He would
Speaker 8: have been third highest paid this year.
Speaker 11: Okay, Marvin Harrison, Butker at maybe five and a half.
Speaker 8: Anyone else want to guess?
Speaker 3: I was going to say Harrison, Bucker.
Speaker 8: Harrison, Butker is correct. Highest paid kicker? Who wants to
Speaker 8: guess his current salary?
Speaker 3: I think he just signed that in the off season. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think so, sure he did. Yeah. Uh five point
Speaker 3: two million, six point four million dollars four million?
Speaker 9: Wow.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there are ten different kickers in the league making
Speaker 8: over four million dollars a year.
Speaker 3: Dang, dang, dang, that's the entire game. Oh that's it.
Speaker 2: Oh, well, congratulations, all right, you guys want to play
Speaker 2: dang next?
Speaker 3: Dan Paul says something and we all just go.
Speaker 2: Dang Madden Rawley, I Matt, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 12: Hey?
Speaker 1: How we going?
Speaker 13: Dan?
Speaker 12: Guys?
Speaker 14: So you know, I heard you all discussing earlier about
Speaker 14: the NFL schedule and someone brought up possibly having a
Speaker 14: bye week. My thought would be, we could kind of
Speaker 14: do what every other sport's doing and they could have
Speaker 14: a all star break somewhere around week twelve or thirteen,
Speaker 14: which would fall the week before Thanksgiving for the players.
Speaker 14: That would be great for the owners. Now you've opened
Speaker 14: up not only all day on Thursday and Friday, You've
Speaker 14: also now opened up Wednesday night doubleheader. What would be
Speaker 14: your Monday night football? I feel like that would be huge,
Speaker 14: give them more time to own the entire Thanksgiving time off.
Speaker 14: Just wondering what you think about that and bro hug
Speaker 14: back growth.
Speaker 3: Now, what you're saying is you would have games over Thanksgiving.
Speaker 14: Yes, the week before would be your bye week, So
Speaker 14: that's Sunday.
Speaker 3: Will be everybody's all. They don't want to give up
Speaker 3: a weekend.
Speaker 2: They don't want to give I mean, there's too much
Speaker 2: momentum that you're going to go in no football over
Speaker 2: the weekend.
Speaker 3: I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 2: To own Thanksgiving weekend, they own Thanksgiving weekend anyway.
Speaker 14: How they can own Wednesday as well.
Speaker 2: I think they'd rather own Sunday than the following Wednesday.
Speaker 3: But thank you man.
Speaker 8: Yes, Paul, I got to tell you, I didn't really
Speaker 8: enjoy the Monday night football doubleheader, and I don't think
Speaker 8: I enjoy them. I'm too conditioned. I think we're too
Speaker 8: conditioned for that eight o'clock Eastern and whatever times on
Speaker 8: your end Monday night football. It hits you too early
Speaker 8: on the front end and hits you too late on
Speaker 8: the back end, so you're really forced to watch parts
Speaker 8: of both games.
Speaker 3: They don't care about us, right, but.
Speaker 2: There's three more of these on Monday nights. Then you
Speaker 2: have a Saturday night one at the end of the season.
Speaker 3: They don't.
Speaker 2: They're like, we want to playcate both time zones East Coast,
Speaker 2: West Coast. That's all they care about. Larry and Michigan.
Speaker 12: Hi, Larry, thanks for the call.
Speaker 9: Dan.
Speaker 12: About three moments from the Lions that just stood out. First,
Speaker 12: I'm on ra beautiful game, but the first or second
Speaker 12: he did the fake hamstring intry as a celebration. I'm
Speaker 12: too old for that crap. I was like, we went
Speaker 12: through ashing, no, no, come on, man. The second thing
Speaker 12: was Teslaw or Teslaw, the rookie that they drafted this year.
Speaker 12: He's got two catches. The first catch incredible one handed
Speaker 12: touchdown catch in the first game, and then the second
Speaker 12: game another just gets one catch, another incredible one handed
Speaker 12: get catch at the end of the first half, which
Speaker 12: leads me to my third point, which was when Ben
Speaker 12: Johnson thought that they got away without giving the Lions
Speaker 12: a score. It's like, come on, gods, let's get out
Speaker 12: of here. And they're running off the field and then
Speaker 12: you see the Lions players called come back, boys, come back,
Speaker 12: and then we got our touchdown there and topped them
Speaker 12: with fifty two. That was sweet.
Speaker 2: Larry, Just don't do that fake injury stuff because Larry's
Speaker 2: too old for that junk.
Speaker 3: Don't you do that. Yeah, Paul the.
Speaker 8: Wide receiver's referring to for the Lions as Isaac Tesla.
Speaker 8: He played at Arkansas a little bit and he's had
Speaker 8: two catches on the season. They're both one handers.
Speaker 3: Let's take break.
Speaker 2: Gary Myers wrote the book on Brady Versus Belichick. It's
Speaker 2: a new book out. We'll talk to him about that
Speaker 2: relationship and get his thoughts on some other NFL things
Speaker 2: as well well.
Speaker 3: Take a break back after this.
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Speaker 2: More phone calls coming up. Dean Blandino, Fox Rules analyst,
Speaker 2: former head of a Fish says he's done with the
Speaker 2: tush push. He says, you can't officiate it. And I
Speaker 2: don't know if saying that maybe opens the door to
Speaker 2: get rid of the tush push, because they keep waiting
Speaker 2: for injury data and they don't have that data. And
Speaker 2: I don't know if you can get rid of a
Speaker 2: rule by saying, hey, somebody's really going to get hurt.
Speaker 3: One day.
Speaker 2: That's the sport. Somebody's really going to get hurt one day.
Speaker 2: We usually wait until somebody does. But that might be
Speaker 2: the opening where Dean Blandino says, or these officials say,
Speaker 2: we can't call this. It would help if they called
Speaker 2: maybe the Eagles guards jumping off sides a little bit.
Speaker 2: But then there's the neutral zone and how you spot
Speaker 2: the football kind of a mess. Gary Myers, New York
Speaker 2: Times best selling author. He wrote Brady Versus Manning, the
Speaker 2: untold story of the rivalry that transformed the NFL, and
Speaker 2: his new book released today, Brady Versus Belichick, The Dynasty Debate.
Speaker 2: And he's been covering the NFL for over forty years. Gary,
Speaker 2: good to see you again. Let me start with Tom
Speaker 2: Brady in the booth last night. You as a long
Speaker 2: time journalist, scribe any problems conflict of interest with Brady
Speaker 2: in the coaches booth last night?
Speaker 15: Oh? How can we think it's a conflict of interest
Speaker 15: Because he's working on a network that covers the Raiders,
Speaker 15: the Bears, the Cowboys, whatever, and then he's sitting in
Speaker 15: the booth. This is just a horrible, horrible look for
Speaker 15: the NFL, and they need to do something about it.
Speaker 15: I mean, they approved him as an owner knowing he
Speaker 15: was working for Fox, so and they scaled back to
Speaker 15: restrictions this year. But Tom should have known better than
Speaker 15: to be so public last night, to be sitting in
Speaker 15: the booth with us, the headphones on, He's talking to
Speaker 15: Chip Kelly two three times a week, you know, okay, fine,
Speaker 15: But to be on national TV looking like you're calling
Speaker 15: in plays even though I'm sure he wasn't. What a
Speaker 15: horrible conflict of interest. And it's just such a bad
Speaker 15: look for the NFL.
Speaker 2: You know, knowing Brady doing Brady versus Manning, Brady versus Belichick.
Speaker 2: Tom's extremely competitive. Tom's not there for a ceremonial. I
Speaker 2: own part of the team. Tom would love nothing better
Speaker 2: than to be on that podium hosting a Lombardi Trophy
Speaker 2: as an owner.
Speaker 15: There's no question. And just think of this, and I
Speaker 15: know you've already discussed this, But so Tom's got the
Speaker 15: Bears and the Cowboys this week, and then in two
Speaker 15: weeks the Raiders are playing the Bears. So you don't
Speaker 15: think the information he gathers covering the Bears. And I
Speaker 15: know they don't let him in the facility anymore. Oh,
Speaker 15: they'll let him in the facility still. But he's taking
Speaker 15: part in the production meetings virtually, so he's able to
Speaker 15: ask questions. And you know he's a smart guy. He's
Speaker 15: asking good questions.
Speaker 12: Now.
Speaker 15: You hope the coaches and the players are smart enough
Speaker 15: not to give him anything too inside. But if anybody doesn't,
Speaker 15: think he's running back to Pete, Carolyn and Chip Kelly
Speaker 15: or who else and telling him what he found out.
Speaker 15: I mean, he's an honorable guy and I like him
Speaker 15: a lot, but we can't give him too much credit
Speaker 15: here for keeping things to himself.
Speaker 2: The book is Brady Versus Belichick, the dynasty debate. What
Speaker 2: led you to your conclusion of who has or who
Speaker 2: was more important in that dynasty?
Speaker 15: Well, I think, first of all, I don't take into
Speaker 15: consideration anything that happened after Brady left, So I don't
Speaker 15: count the Tampa Super Bowl and Belichick struggling. I don't
Speaker 15: count Belichick struggling before Brady took over in New England
Speaker 15: because to me, it's irrelevant. The important part of this
Speaker 15: debate is who gets the credit for what they accomplished together,
Speaker 15: And I give a lot of credit to Belichick one
Speaker 15: for drafting Brady even though it was only the sixth round.
Speaker 15: If he knew he's gonna be great, Danny would have
Speaker 15: taken him in the first round. But that first Super
Speaker 15: Bowl was you know, until Brady's last drive on the
Speaker 15: winning field goal. That season and that Super Bowl was
Speaker 15: all Belichick, both with defense and running the ball. And
Speaker 15: then as you know they're going they beat the Panthers
Speaker 15: in a really high scoring game. I think that was
Speaker 15: like a fifty to fifty. And then they beat the
Speaker 15: Eagles and that was more of a defensive game. It
Speaker 15: wasn't really high scoring. So I think the early part
Speaker 15: of the dynasty was really Belichick. And I think the
Speaker 15: turning point of it was in the seventh season, when
Speaker 15: Tom throws fifty touchdowns, they go sixteen and zero, come
Speaker 15: within some Velkrol and David Tyree's helmets from winning that
Speaker 15: Super Bowl and being remembered as the greatest singles team,
Speaker 15: greatest single season team in NFL history. I think that's
Speaker 15: when we realized, you know, not only is Brady better
Speaker 15: than Peyton Manning, but he's closing it on Joe Montana.
Speaker 15: At that point, I still wouldn't have said he was
Speaker 15: better than Joe when he won the fourth Super Bowl,
Speaker 15: and they were ten years apart between the third and fourth.
Speaker 15: That's when I think the second half of the dynasty.
Speaker 15: I think was almost entirely Brady, but because Belichick was
Speaker 15: so influential in the first half, it doesn't even it out,
Speaker 15: but it makes the gap a little less.
Speaker 2: But people players will have told me they wanted to
Speaker 2: play with Brady. They didn't want to go play for Belichick,
Speaker 2: but they wanted to play with Brady because Brady was
Speaker 2: going to take him to the playoffs. You get extra
Speaker 2: paychecks and you may win a Super Bowl. I three
Speaker 2: players who played for them said that they went there
Speaker 2: because Tom was the quarterback there. I don't know how
Speaker 2: much that tips the scales here, but they were going
Speaker 2: because they knew they had the best quarterback in the game.
Speaker 15: Well, I think that obviously had a lot to do
Speaker 15: with it. But one of the players told me that
Speaker 15: the reason that they put up with all Belichick's nonsense
Speaker 15: is because he knew They knew he knew how to win.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's.
Speaker 15: Winning super Bowls and ultimately that's all players really care
Speaker 15: about in the end. Well, two things they care about,
Speaker 15: getting paid and winning Super Bowls. And if you win
Speaker 15: Super Bowls, you get get paid, not necessarily by the Patriots,
Speaker 15: but become more attractive as a free agent because you know,
Speaker 15: the Super Bowl champions always get picked apart in free agency.
Speaker 15: So Belichick was good of their bank accounts, even though
Speaker 15: if they didn't necessarily like to play for him.
Speaker 2: You also look at the relationship between Brady and Joe
Speaker 2: Montana and I didn't know that it was fractured, ordn't
Speaker 2: I'll put it. Let you put it into your words
Speaker 2: of where is that or where was that relationship? Because
Speaker 2: I think you allude to it. It's better now, but
Speaker 2: there was a time when it wasn't good.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean what happened. You know, Joe still lives
Speaker 15: in the Bay Area. Tom is from San Mateo, which
Speaker 15: isn't far from where Joe lives. Joe and then Steve
Speaker 15: Young with Tom's heroes growing up. They had a mutual
Speaker 15: friend who worked for the Golden State Warriors, who called
Speaker 15: Montana after Tom on his first Super Bowl and said, hey,
Speaker 15: you know Tom loves you. Can you have lunch with him?
Speaker 15: So they had lunch at Joe's house and Joe thought
Speaker 15: this would be a nice situation. He wasn't looking to
Speaker 15: be Tom's mentor, but he thought it was gonna be
Speaker 15: a nice relationship where, you know, he knew that Tom
Speaker 15: up to him. Well. Joe told me that in the
Speaker 15: succeeding year is the only time he heard from Brady
Speaker 15: was when Tom broke one of Joe's records. He said, ah,
Speaker 15: got another one of your records, And Joe said he
Speaker 15: could have dealt with that if at the same time,
Speaker 15: Tom was texting him every now and then say Hey, Joe,
Speaker 15: how you doing, I'm gonna be in town, Let's get together,
Speaker 15: that kind of stuff. But that didn't happen. And Joe,
Speaker 15: I don't know how well you know Joe Dan, but
Speaker 15: he's a great guy. He's really humble for all those accomplishments,
Speaker 15: He's really a humble guy. He never cared about stats.
Speaker 15: He just cared about winning and was curious why Brady
Speaker 15: was so hung up on breaking his records. They I
Speaker 15: think they smoothed things out a little bit at some
Speaker 15: of these, you know, one hundred year anniversary celebrations that
Speaker 15: the NFL had, and when they had all the MVPs together,
Speaker 15: they talked a little bit. But you know, I think
Speaker 15: Joe's the kind of guy who hold somewhat of a grudge,
Speaker 15: and I don't think I'll ever forget that he felt
Speaker 15: well disrespected by Tom, which which really surprised me because
Speaker 15: I don't look at Tom as that kind of guy.
Speaker 15: But you know, everybody has their own experience with him,
Speaker 15: and that's what was Joe's experience.
Speaker 2: Gary Myers, New York Times best selling author the book
Speaker 2: released today, Brady versus Belichick, The Dynasty Debate. I interviewed
Speaker 2: Tom before the Super Bowl against the Eagles, and at
Speaker 2: one point I said, do you think you and Belichick
Speaker 2: will ever sit down and kind of open up the
Speaker 2: scrap book and, you know.
Speaker 3: Walk down memory lane.
Speaker 2: He goes, no, because that's that's not our relationship, right.
Speaker 2: Why it's Bill. Bill's not capable of having that. You know,
Speaker 2: let's have more than a coach player relationship.
Speaker 15: I think that he's capable of having it when the
Speaker 15: player is no longer playing from him and retires, because
Speaker 15: he has a really good relationship with guys like Carl
Speaker 15: Banks and Lawrence Taylor and Phil Simms. It wasn't that Now.
Speaker 15: He was never coached Simms directly, but he wasn't. He
Speaker 15: doesn't allow himself to get close to players, because he knows,
Speaker 15: for the most part, unless the guy retires on his own,
Speaker 15: it's going to end poorly. So he doesn't want to
Speaker 15: develop that real close personal relationship.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 15: I think his relationship with Brady is better today than
Speaker 15: it ever has been, even during his playing career over
Speaker 15: the five years or so that they were separated. But
Speaker 15: I think today they've come to appreciate what they meant
Speaker 15: to each other. But I know what I did to
Speaker 15: Brady Manning book. I said to Tom. It was kind
Speaker 15: of the same question you asked him. I said, you're
Speaker 15: sitting there on Tuesday night at ten o'clock. You're going
Speaker 15: over the game plan, which they did every Tuesday night.
Speaker 15: I said, they havena say hey, we've been great for
Speaker 15: each other, and that point they had won three Super Bowls.
Speaker 15: You know, do you ever reminisce, well, you know, this
Speaker 15: is amazing what we're doing and it's not over yet.
Speaker 15: Would you ever say, hey, there's not much to do
Speaker 15: in Foxborough, but I know a good place up the
Speaker 15: road and get a pizza and share a pitcher of beard.
Speaker 12: You ever do?
Speaker 15: That? Never came up in conversation, And now I don't
Speaker 15: know what's happened in the last couple of years since
Speaker 15: they're both away from New England. But I know from
Speaker 15: the time while Brady was still in New England and
Speaker 15: Tom was in Tampa and then left Tampa, that that
Speaker 15: never occurred. And I think Tom's father is much more
Speaker 15: outspoken than Tom is himself about what the relationship is
Speaker 15: and how he felt, you know, his son was disrespected
Speaker 15: all those years in New England by Belichick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just a weird dynamic.
Speaker 2: But I always whenever anybody asked me about it, I
Speaker 2: always sided with Brady because he had to go out
Speaker 2: and do it. And Bill was a defensive minded head coach,
Speaker 2: so how much he was involved in the offense, I
Speaker 2: mean that was Tom and he did you know, he
Speaker 2: did have you know, offensive coordinators there to help him.
Speaker 2: But I still leaned towards Tom. That Bill can tell
Speaker 2: you or his assistants can tell you. Tom had to
Speaker 2: go out and do it. And whether anybody's keeping score it.
Speaker 2: It's not like Lebron and Jordan, but I think there
Speaker 2: is still the who is more important the coach or
Speaker 2: the star player in any sport.
Speaker 15: No, I agree with you, but as far as the
Speaker 15: offensive input that Belichick had. Remember in two thousand and one,
Speaker 15: Dick Raybne, who is a Patriots quarterback coach, and he
Speaker 15: was the one who was most responsible for Belichick drafting Brady.
Speaker 15: He wanted to take him in the third or fourth round. Well,
Speaker 15: Dick Raybne passed away right at the beginning of training
Speaker 15: camp in oh one and Belichick did not hire another
Speaker 15: quarterback coach. Charlie Weiss was the offensive coordinator, but rayvind
Speaker 15: is the one who worked most closely with Brady. Belichick
Speaker 15: became the de facto quarterback coach. He sat in on
Speaker 15: a lot of meetings with Brady and Weiss. He had
Speaker 15: a lot of meetings by himself with Brady, and what
Speaker 15: he would do would give Brady the perspective of the
Speaker 15: defensive coach and how to attack a defense. He was
Speaker 15: really instrumental in Brady's development as a quarterback because of
Speaker 15: Belichick's knowledge about defense. And Belichick did become like Parcels
Speaker 15: before him. They did become good offensive coaches. Now they
Speaker 15: were still known as being brilliant defensive coaches, but they
Speaker 15: became all around coaches. So I think that Belichick's influence
Speaker 15: on Brady early on was much greater than anybody remembers.
Speaker 15: And I point that out in the book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a great point. Yeah, before I let
Speaker 2: you go. Yeah, do you think North Carolina is Belichick's
Speaker 2: last stop?
Speaker 12: Yes?
Speaker 15: I don't think he'll get hired in the NFL again.
Speaker 15: I was surprised he didn't get hired in the first
Speaker 15: hiring cycle after he was fired in New England. We
Speaker 15: know it came close in Atlanta, and weather Craft put
Speaker 15: the kabash on that.
Speaker 3: I don't know how would he have done that, Gary, Well.
Speaker 12: He would.
Speaker 15: He would have called Arthur Blank and said, you don't
Speaker 15: want you don't want this. I mean, this is what
Speaker 15: he's going to do to your organization, Dan, that's owners
Speaker 15: were calling Craft about in two thousand for your own
Speaker 15: mental health, don't hire this guy, right, And I wouldn't
Speaker 15: be like, listen, did Craft do that with Blank? That's
Speaker 15: what a lot of people are saying. I don't know
Speaker 15: that personally.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 15: The second time, Belichick wanted into the NFL so badly
Speaker 15: that he called it intermediary with the Jets, who had
Speaker 15: an influence on the hiring process, and he called him
Speaker 15: and said, I'm interested in the Jets job. You think
Speaker 15: she'd rather be a sanitation worker, And I'm not putting
Speaker 15: the sanitation workers down, but we'll go working as a
Speaker 15: cook in a kitchen before you ever want to go
Speaker 15: to the Jets, considering the history, but he said, I
Speaker 15: want that job. And after the guy finished laughing, he said,
Speaker 15: they're not going to hire you. There's nobody who's going
Speaker 15: to hire Belichick. Now, the twenty four year old girlfriend
Speaker 15: that think has something to do. No owner wants a
Speaker 15: part of that. And having to explain that, I think
Speaker 15: Caroline is his last job. Whether he's going to be
Speaker 15: successful there or not, is just it's a question of
Speaker 15: whether he can master the nil and the transfer portal
Speaker 15: and get himself a quarterback. You can't win without a
Speaker 15: quarterback at any level.
Speaker 3: He needs to Tom Brady.
Speaker 15: He does, and maybe he can find somebody in the
Speaker 15: transfer portal and see something in him that nobody sees,
Speaker 15: because he obviously saw a little something in Brady that
Speaker 15: he just invested a six round picking him.
Speaker 1: But I want to before we.
Speaker 15: Say he's a genius for taking him, just remember he
Speaker 15: took six other players in that draft before he drafted Brady,
Speaker 15: including a defensive back. There nobody has ever heard of
Speaker 15: since in the sixth round before he took Brady. So
Speaker 15: if he knew he was going to be anything to
Speaker 15: what he turned, if he even thought he was going
Speaker 15: to be a starter in the league, he would have
Speaker 15: taken him before the sixth round.
Speaker 3: Good luck with the book. Gary, Good to connect with
Speaker 3: you again.
Speaker 15: Yeah, Dan, thanks for having me on. It's great to
Speaker 15: see it.
Speaker 2: Gary Meyer is New York Times best selling author. He
Speaker 2: wrote Brady Versus Manning and the new book is Brady
Speaker 2: Versus Belichick The Dynasty Debate. Garry's been covering the league
Speaker 2: over four years. All right, we'll take a break. Phone
Speaker 2: calls coming up, Ah, seven to seven to three DP show.
Speaker 2: We're back after this.
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Speaker 1: listen live. Paulie has a football question for the room.
Speaker 8: Okay, the big Tom Brady story about conflict of interest
Speaker 8: and his next game on Fox is Bears Cowboys.
Speaker 3: Correct. I believe so. So later this week.
Speaker 8: The Fox team with Tom Brady would have some type
Speaker 8: of production meeting with both the Cowboys, staff and the
Speaker 8: Bears staff, and then the Bears play the Raiders the
Speaker 8: following week. If the Bears or any team, if the
Speaker 8: Bears coaching staff refused to have a production meeting with
Speaker 8: Tom Brady, how would that go over.
Speaker 3: With people like us?
Speaker 8: Would the Bears be seemed as petty or would be
Speaker 8: like Tom's getting what he deserves or the NFL is
Speaker 8: getting what they deserve.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't blame the Bears if they said, now they
Speaker 2: won't completely out him out. I would just say, upfront,
Speaker 2: you know, Tom, we're going to be very limited in
Speaker 2: what we're going to tell you. But if you said
Speaker 2: they're not going to participate, then all right. I don't
Speaker 2: have any problem with that. I wouldn't want to give
Speaker 2: him in. I'm not going to give him information. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: I'm not helping your broadcasting career. We have to win
Speaker 2: football games here, and you're the Bears, you're zero and two,
Speaker 2: you got a new coach, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you're going to.
Speaker 3: Go they Tom, come on in. Yeah. See'd be awesome.
Speaker 4: Though, if Kevin Burkhardt had all the information and he
Speaker 4: was the one calling the players, you know, Tom, I
Speaker 4: think what they like to do here on third down
Speaker 4: is a little uh.
Speaker 2: And then he goes to you know, the Raiders to
Speaker 2: help Tom. Yeah, Tom brings in Kevin Burkhard Kevin, come
Speaker 2: on in and download everybody on what you learn from
Speaker 2: the Bears.
Speaker 6: Yes, not only would that not be petty to me
Speaker 6: either of the Bears. I think every other team should
Speaker 6: follow suit the rest of the year until the NFL
Speaker 6: wakes up and figures out that this is in fact
Speaker 6: the conflict of interest in this can't continue endlessly while
Speaker 6: he's a Foxborg game.
Speaker 3: All right, thank you, Tom.
Speaker 2: I'm not sharing information, just not going to do that.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're on the Raiders' schedule. I can't doesn't
Speaker 2: make any sense. But the NFL and the owners Fox,
Speaker 2: they put themselves in this position. You heard Gary Myers,
Speaker 2: who's been around the NFL for forty years, and you
Speaker 2: can tell you can tell where his feelings were. He
Speaker 2: didn't mince words that this is a terrible look. It
Speaker 2: just is whether if anybody has a problem with it publicly,
Speaker 2: it feels like privately they're going to be teams executives
Speaker 2: they are going to have a problem with this.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Pull The funny thing though, if the NFL wanted to
Speaker 8: do anything right now, I don't think they can. This
Speaker 8: is an unfixable problem. They can't remove him as an
Speaker 8: owner before next week, and they can't sideline him from Fox.
Speaker 2: H John in North Carolina, Hi, John, what's on your
Speaker 2: mind today?
Speaker 14: You know, I don't really have that much problem with
Speaker 14: Tom being up in the booth.
Speaker 9: I can see Jerry Jones doing that.
Speaker 13: If I see them on the sideline checking the pressure
Speaker 13: of the footballs, then I've got.
Speaker 2: An issue, all right, George and Louisiana. Hi, Georgia.
Speaker 9: First time Carler just retired, got near replacement surgery. And
Speaker 9: I watch you every morning on Peacock. All right. I
Speaker 9: don't know if anybody's seen this the other day, but
Speaker 9: the Clemson Georgia Tech game toward the end of the
Speaker 9: game was a call under review. They want the referee
Speaker 9: put his hadst on. Then they had another camera shot
Speaker 9: to the people in the booth with their microphones on
Speaker 9: talking to the referee, and I'm like, I've never seen
Speaker 9: this before, and like my head's to the TV, like
Speaker 9: what they talking about?
Speaker 12: You know?
Speaker 9: And I was wondering, is this the two things? Is
Speaker 9: this the first time? This is have y'all seen this before,
Speaker 9: and asked Ian Blandino why they don't do this in
Speaker 9: the NFL. I think it would be great TV instead
Speaker 9: of showing a picture of the coaches, the players, the fans.
Speaker 9: I want to hear what they talking about in that No.
Speaker 2: I've been talking about this for years when they had
Speaker 2: the review on the field, I want I want that
Speaker 2: official's microphone on. I want to know what they're seeing.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it's got to be transparency here. I want
Speaker 2: to know what you're seeing, what you saw, what you
Speaker 2: didn't see. And if you're going to get help from upstairs, great.
Speaker 2: If the goal is to get the call right, then
Speaker 2: get the call right. If it's hey, we don't want
Speaker 2: to seem like we need help from up above, and
Speaker 2: I think that leads to some problems on the field.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Pony, the ACC Conference is doing this currently this year.
Speaker 8: They're letting you hear what's being discussed in the repaid
Speaker 8: replay booth.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I've been saying it for years. Let us hear.
Speaker 3: I'm fine with it, got nothing to hide. Let us hear.
Speaker 3: Let's see George in Virginia. Hey, George, Dan, how are
Speaker 3: you good.
Speaker 13: I haven't talked to you since the family coaching session
Speaker 13: I had for you guys a while back. Congratulations on
Speaker 13: the w Thank you. I wanted to just chat about
Speaker 13: the Belichick pretty thing. So where does Josh McDaniels fit
Speaker 13: into all this? It seems to me like, obviously we know,
Speaker 13: not successful as a head coach, but he seems like
Speaker 13: he was a key part of all of those rings.
Speaker 13: But he doesn't get any love.
Speaker 15: I'm just trying to.
Speaker 13: Understand where he fits in because I think taking Welker
Speaker 13: and Amadola and some of these sort of second tier
Speaker 13: players and making them stars has to be a little
Speaker 13: bit about his scheme.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know the book is called Brady Versus Belichick,
Speaker 2: not Brady versus Belichick versus McDaniels. I mean, Josh did
Speaker 2: a great job. Wasn't head coach material, But yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: sure Tom would say. Tom might even say that he
Speaker 2: had more to do with his development, maybe later in
Speaker 2: his career, than build it. But as Gary Myers pointed out,
Speaker 2: Bill was helping him understand from a defensive perspective, I'm
Speaker 2: going to give you the defensive look, and then you
Speaker 2: as a quarterback, this will help you develop and It's
Speaker 2: a great point that he made there. Andy and Grand Rapids.
Speaker 3: Hi, Andy, Hey Dan, how are we doing today? Good? Good? Good?
Speaker 13: Heay first time forever time five ten two five.
Speaker 16: I'm a lifelong Titan fans, and now I'll never understand
Speaker 16: why they fired Rabel. But I've been saying all year
Speaker 16: that I'm convinced that they're going to be back to
Speaker 16: back number one.
Speaker 13: Overall picks this year.
Speaker 16: This is the first time that happened since two thousand
Speaker 16: with the Browns. I'm hoping for an update from you
Speaker 16: guys about going to nordamee USC because I'd love to
Speaker 16: make a pile of face that assuming I could pie one.
Speaker 3: Of you or you guys pie me, and what's the bet?
Speaker 16: The bet would be that the Titans don't win a
Speaker 16: game before you guys go to that to the USC
Speaker 16: dar Dame game.
Speaker 3: I'd have to look at the schedule there. Andy.
Speaker 16: Of course, I don't have it in front of me
Speaker 16: because I'm at work hiding in a closet right now.
Speaker 2: I'm at work too, and I don't have it in
Speaker 2: front of me. I normally carry the Titans schedule. I
Speaker 2: have that in my wallet web chart. Yes, I have
Speaker 2: it in my wallet.
Speaker 3: Say when's the Notre Dame game October?
Speaker 4: So then the Titans have the cults, uh, Texans, Cardinals, Raiders.
Speaker 3: M that's a little choppy.
Speaker 4: I don't know, some semi munchie.
Speaker 2: I have to give that some thought. Two hours in
Speaker 2: the books, one more to go. We're talking the tush
Speaker 2: push coming up top of the hour.