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Speaker 1: Hello, zeich Gang, and welcome to the end of the year.

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Speaker 1: During these two weeks surrounding Christmas and the New Year,

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Speaker 1: we take some time off. During the mornings, we'll run

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Speaker 1: some new holiday and end of the year content that

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Speaker 2: Taking a break.

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Speaker 1: In addition to all that stuff, in the afternoons, where

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Speaker 1: we would usually drop the Trends episode, we are rerunning

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Speaker 1: the ten most popular episodes of this year according to you.

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Speaker 1: You voted with your dang years and we listened with ours. Actually,

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Speaker 1: we looked at the data we're.

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Speaker 2: Spying on you.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm mostly in this podcasting thing for the rich

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Speaker 1: marketing data it provides to me about each and.

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Speaker 2: Every one of you.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the year, when I look back

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Speaker 1: to see what made the top ten, and this was

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Speaker 1: actually my favorite year to look back at, our top

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Speaker 1: ten is full of episodes I feel like made it

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Speaker 1: because of a bunch of different reasons. There are some

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Speaker 1: episodes that dropped after huge news events. There are some

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Speaker 1: first episodes that dropped right after some hilarious news events,

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Speaker 1: some great new guests, some classic fan favorite guests, and

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Speaker 1: some new formats we tried out that We're very excited

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Speaker 1: to see that you guys enjoyed. Before we get into it,

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Speaker 1: I just want to thank you guys for once again

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Speaker 1: being such a cool community that's bloomed up around this

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Speaker 1: podcast we've been doing all these years. You guys repeatedly

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Speaker 1: make us proud. You're there for us when we go

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Speaker 1: through some really difficult shit. You show up at shows

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Speaker 1: of our guests, and we always get great reports from

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Speaker 1: our guests about our listeners. You are the rare podcast

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Speaker 1: audience that makes us extremely proud to have you as

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Speaker 1: listeners so far, so don't fuck this up, you guys,

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Speaker 1: and coming in all the way at number two, it

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Speaker 1: is an episode called Extra Extra. Weeja all about it.

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Speaker 1: It makes more sense reading it and saying it out loud.

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Speaker 1: But this one features the great Jack Wagner post of

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Speaker 1: the Other World podcast. It was definitely a departure. It

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Speaker 1: was like a Halloween themed special episode, and you guys

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Speaker 1: seem to really enjoy it. Definitely outside of our comfort zone,

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Speaker 1: but we we really enjoyed making it, and we're glad

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Speaker 1: you enjoyed it too. Here it is the number two episode.

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Speaker 1: Jack in your paranormal studies, have you encountered any Matilda's

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Speaker 1: any people with Matilda powers.

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Speaker 3: Ooh, that is a great question. I mean there's been

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Speaker 3: a Matilda adjacent people. But honestly, if I heard about Matilda,

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Speaker 3: if somebody came to me claiming to be Matilda, I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, right right?

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Speaker 1: Read so good that you can move things with your mind?

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Speaker 1: Come on, exactly, chocolate cake thrown at your teacher or

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Speaker 1: whatever was that?

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Speaker 2: Didn't you do that? Yeah? I mean there was a

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Speaker 1: She's like starts out with the standard gateway crime of

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Speaker 2: That's a good one.

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Speaker 3: I mean that cake scene was supposed to be torturous,

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Speaker 1: I know, one of the best looking cakes in cinema history.

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Speaker 2: Did they make it look so good? It is delicious looking.

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Speaker 4: I feel like just food and movies always looks good,

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Speaker 4: Like the when in Jurassic Park when they get back

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Speaker 4: Just oh, it's just the way they're fucking wah yeah,

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Speaker 4: And I think what those kids are gone for, like

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Speaker 4: fucking ten hours at that point, right, But anyway, that's mine.

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Speaker 1: I was about to eat, doctor Grant. I was so

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Speaker 1: Tell you one bit of food that didn't look like

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Speaker 2: Him right out.

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Speaker 4: I think you're gonna say that Pilo shit. Nobody was

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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to Season four to twelve, Episode.

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Speaker 2: Two of Dirty's Eight Guys.

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Speaker 1: This is a production of iHeart Radio's the podcast where

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Speaker 1: you take a deep dive into america Shared consciousness, and

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Speaker 1: this week that shared consciousness got cobwebs in it.

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Speaker 2: The spookiest thing that anything can have.

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Speaker 1: Talking about virgins, talking about virgins, Yo, we light a

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Speaker 1: candle if you're a virgin in Salem. Talking about yesterday's

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Speaker 1: episode in Hocus Pocus, how everybody keeps roasting that fourteen

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Speaker 1: year old boy for being a virgin, including his six

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Speaker 2: I have not seen that movie in a while.

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Speaker 1: children like and then by a ghost of a Puritan. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's weird that this guy hasn't fucked yet.

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Speaker 3: Famously, the Puritans would not think that, hence the name.

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Speaker 2: That's right, although there is a I talked about this episode,

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Speaker 1: Is a school of thought that thinks that the Puritans

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Speaker 2: Obvious he's doing fucking public anymore.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that's funny. That Puritan's name Factory Binks. I was like,

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Speaker 1: Factory Binks is like, fucking that's like George Lucas level

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Speaker 4: now just like in a he's just a a weed grow.

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Speaker 3: Ourwer Rangers all starters, like half.

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Speaker 1: You know, you don't open that Wikipedia up and see

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Speaker 1: The update was that he still keeps in touch with

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Speaker 1: That's like one of the and here's what we know

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Speaker 2: They kill it at the cons, they go signing, yeah yeah,

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Speaker 3: Here's something about hocus Pocus I could share. By all means,

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Speaker 3: I remember being very attracted to Sarah Jessica Parker's character

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Speaker 2: What's wrong with you? Why? What? What was going on?

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Speaker 3: But I've never had that experience with any other Sarah

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Speaker 4: He was the thicker eyebrows. You know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: I mean I followed her her body of work for

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Speaker 2: Do people give their flowers to Kathy a Gemie? Enough?

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Speaker 1: So she's doing like a weird mouth thing in that

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Speaker 2: Again, when she was his sister aster act yea, yeah,

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Speaker 1: About Sarah Jessica Parker's makeup, even though like it's pretty,

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Speaker 2: It's the darker eye makeup and eyebrows, I'm telling you.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, it is Tuesday, October twenty eighth, twenty twenty five. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: three days from the spookiest day of the year.

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Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah dude. But of course what are we celebrating.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's also National First Responder's Day, National Internal Medicine Day, Wow,

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Speaker 2: And also National Chocolate Day that feels more in line

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Speaker 3: it's a chocolate dispensary. They do not sell weed.

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Speaker 4: Oh really, Oh yeah, dispensary. I know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 4: It it's and it's a place. I think we brought

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Speaker 1: A business the Los Angeles and your business has dispensary

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Speaker 2: Why would you are the edibles? I mean, yes, they're

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Speaker 3: It's like the guy starts a root beer store and

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Speaker 1: it's like I'm a chocoholic, I can't stop.

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Speaker 4: I think it's meant to just be like very just

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Speaker 4: like the most buy the book Definition of a dispensary.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean is how they look at

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Speaker 1: My name is Jack O'Brien aka Jackhammer Killer O Dan,

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Speaker 1: of course, courtesy of snarf that on the Treehouse of

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Speaker 1: Horror's nickname this is I discovered a reference to a

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Speaker 1: two thousand and four film called The Jackhammer Massacre.

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Speaker 1: The Jackhammer Killer is about, a guy who you guessed

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Speaker 1: I would have assumed its just something you like edit out,

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Speaker 3: Okay, wait, no, he's probably using like a more handheld jackhammer, like,

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Speaker 2: Hey, you got a fifty foot extension. That's what happened.

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Speaker 1: The cord comes unflugged. That does if I were a

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Speaker 3: Over the house and then find an outlet.

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Speaker 2: That's really funny.

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Speaker 1: Oh fuck, it's one of the ones attached to the

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Speaker 2: It's a too prong. You don't have gfcason here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thrilled to be joined as always, buy my

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Speaker 1: co host, mister Miles Grass.

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Speaker 2: It's Miles Gray, Kay Trusking dementia trus got dementia trust

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Speaker 3: Trums got dementia, or trans got dementia, or trums got dementia,

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Speaker 3: But is dementia trus dementia?

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Speaker 2: Okay, shout out to me. This morning, we were talking

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Speaker 2: about intergalactic we were talking about Jack coming on. We're

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then we were also talking about that we

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Speaker 1: would have also accepted another dementia, another dormain.

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Speaker 2: Because we got two presidents in a row. Baby, everyone's

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Speaker 1: You gotta have rocket dem Congress by dementia.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Congress too. It's so many of them. We have

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Speaker 4: No, I mean I I think people who have who

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Speaker 1: Get them out of here, Get them all out of here.

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Speaker 1: I'm just going, I'm sorry, I'm agist. Get them out

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Speaker 1: Agism is just like I don't I'm worried for them.

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Speaker 2: You got it time.

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Speaker 1: There's a video of Mitch McConnell like I'm like, are

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Speaker 1: we going to make it through this video, let alone

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Speaker 1: the day like it's harrowing. Anyways, Miles, we're thrilled to

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Speaker 1: be joined in our third seat once again by the director,

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Speaker 1: journalists and hosts Behind and one of the great podcasts.

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Speaker 1: It is about as I think he put it the

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Speaker 1: first time. He was on the fact that the world

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Speaker 1: is queerer than many of us suppose, indeed queer than

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Speaker 1: many of us can suppose.

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Speaker 2: It's called other world. He's called Jack Wagner.

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Speaker 1: To be clear, I did not say that, but thank

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Speaker 1: as always to be here. I did not call my

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Speaker 1: positive way. Yes, yeah, yes, that fake quote, I thought, Man,

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Speaker 3: Wait, that's me, I said, it's origin it's giving pre

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Speaker 2: Yes, for sure, for sure, for sure. But I'll take it.

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Speaker 2: I'll take it to a good quote.

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Speaker 1: It's a good quote. Quote sums up some of my

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Speaker 3: Although you should start doing that to every guest is

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Speaker 2: Why not? You know?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jack, thank you so much for coming back. You

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Speaker 1: We wanted to have you on on the spookiest of weeks.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Your podcast is so good. We're gonna end

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Speaker 2: I was crazy?

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I might not remember it, which is the craziest part.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna We're gonna basically do that in the

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah.

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Speaker 1: But first we do like to get to know our

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is I have an answer to this. It's

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Speaker 2: Last three weeks. I yeah, held a mirror to you

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Speaker 4: Fuck, that's a great search. See I don't even have

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Speaker 3: I'm like looking up sponsors, like, you know, you guys

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Speaker 4: I mean you probably just evaporate at that point. I'm

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Speaker 3: I mean, if it's plastic, I would be a little

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Speaker 1: Like plastic is usually like my if it tastes like plastic,

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Speaker 2: Of of like the moon fifteen moon cycles. Yeah, let

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Speaker 2: I don't get in the plants tastes like room. Tastes

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Speaker 4: it cannot like what scenario?

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Speaker 3: Because I forgot? Can't water go bad? I mean no,

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Speaker 2: So you know, we were not far off, not far off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The thing that I'm always imagining happening is I took

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Speaker 2: The wall, and it's gonna just be like bad break

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Speaker 3: It's just like that inside your body, right, yeah exactly,

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Speaker 2: With your mouth, exactly.

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Speaker 1: How we pass our legacy along. What is something you

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Speaker 2: Jack? Waking up early is underrated? Waking up early.

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Speaker 3: I like, I'm a big fan of waking up super early. However,

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Speaker 2: Not on that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's crazy. In fact, I'll say I will

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Speaker 4: Waking up early under that's crazy because most people that

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Speaker 1: Man, it's you and a bunch of jacked people who

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Speaker 3: dudes will be in there at like weird hours, like

442
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 3: eleven thirty working out, you.

443
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 2: Know, PF.

444
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,120
Speaker 1: So you gotta get three hours of workout in every day,

445
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 1: you know, you got to pick your spots.

446
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

447
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I would say, I'll yeah, I'll keep with

448
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 3: this line and say that being buff is overrated. I mean, look,

449
00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,199
Speaker 3: I think, uh, if you are buff, more power to you.

450
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,159
Speaker 3: I think so much of it is genetics, you know.

451
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 3: In fact, like Matthew McConaughey, I think was like quoted

452
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,560
Speaker 3: saying that he just like kind of randomly bangs out

453
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 3: push ups throughout the day and like doesn't really have

454
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 3: a routine. I think it was, but it's like, yeah,

455
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:54,880
Speaker 3: there are guys who just kind of look like.

456
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,119
Speaker 1: That just genuinely looks great without a shirt on since

457
00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 1: he was like ten years old.

458
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then like if you're resisting nature, it's like

459
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 3: really really hard to change it.

460
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean I think it's overrated.

461
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 1: Like like to to really be that shredded, it's like

462
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: a full time job, a lot of a lot of dedication.

463
00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:23,160
Speaker 3: Like it's crazy, and we have a Yeah, training is overrated.

464
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 3: I'll just say that America is obsessed training, now, you know.

465
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Speaker 2: I mean like that's.

466
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean ethos, social media likes like gym talk

467
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 4: kind of shit.

468
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's like the whole hybrid thing between

469
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 3: like the CrossFit like military adjacent I think there's like

470
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 3: a there's like a certain type of person that like,

471
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 3: uh works out in a stolen valor type of way.

472
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 2: I don't know in their mind.

473
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,359
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know where I'm going with this, but uh,

474
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Speaker 1: you know, I think there's guys, well, I think there's

475
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: a huge chunk of America that they're like training for

476
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,919
Speaker 1: something that's gonna they think my happened, and it's just

477
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:01,680
Speaker 1: never gonna happen.

478
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 2: You know.

479
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 3: It's the same thing with like the gun guys training

480
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 3: the weapons, like they're doing like the tactical training. You know,

481
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 3: they're buying all the gear. They're like kind of waiting

482
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 3: for the ship to hit the fan. But yeah, now

483
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 3: they just have to join ice. Ship rarely hits the fan. Yeah,

484
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 3: well no, then now they have that, they.

485
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 2: Have that outlet.

486
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 1: But it doesn't seem like it's the buff guys or

487
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: the guys who are training with guns that are doing no.

488
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think physical fitnessas Yeah. I think you

489
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 3: could let a lot of you could waste a lot

490
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 3: of time training. Yeah, you know, yeah, everybody is in

491
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 3: the movies. Everyone's buff. Now it's just like you know,

492
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Speaker 3: the like.

493
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 1: Objectively does Iron Man? Does it make sense that Tony

494
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 1: Stark is like a jacked dude like he's supposed to be.

495
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:50,199
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter a scientist because at his most potent

496
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: form is some jacked iron body, right, and like the

497
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Speaker 1: like he's over, he's compensating for the physical realities by

498
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Speaker 1: creating this like that old body that can encase him.

499
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 1: It would make more sense if he was a skinny

500
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, you're right scientially, But instead they were like, dude,

501
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 1: you're gonna need to spend a year get starting to

502
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 1: look like Superman.

503
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: Drinking goat and milk.

504
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 3: Real, if he was in the suit all the time,

505
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 3: he would have almost no muscle mass at the point. Yeah, yeah,

506
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 3: because like he wouldn't be using his muscles. Yeah, that

507
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 3: would be amazing.

508
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: Victory superpriser Victor said he would have Elon Musk's body type.

509
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 2: Amazing. Damn I god fit giant Torso Jarvis a just

510
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 2: mid section please there's I mean.

511
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Speaker 4: It's funny though too, because I think we were talking

512
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,159
Speaker 4: about this last week about how all the leading men

513
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 4: are just so fucking rich with everyone fucking body fat,

514
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 4: and I'm like one though, yeah, I was like, but remember,

515
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 4: like Kevin Costner was like the fucking height of it,

516
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 4: like in Americans, like, oh god, this guy.

517
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: That looks like he doesn't work out ever and just

518
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 1: as the ideal. Yeah, like he's like naturally fit enough. Okay,

519
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 1: here's a good Google search Kevin Costner shirtless.

520
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 3: See that would have been I'm looking at right, now

521
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 3: one with the chest hair, right, Oh, I mean hill

522
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 3: him in Bull Durham.

523
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Speaker 2: That's like.

524
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 3: That's kind of like where you want to be. That's

525
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 3: a good place to be as a guy. I mean

526
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 3: you could get a little more muscle, but you know

527
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 3: my ideal body type Kevin Costner and Bull Durham. Yeah,

528
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 3: it's like not a ton of muscle, but he's looking good,

529
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:30,959
Speaker 3: you know.

530
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, buff doesn't work all the time. Though it's not bad.

531
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 3: There's a way that there's like a six pack if

532
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 3: you're not meant to have one spiritually, it's like not good.

533
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

534
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 3: You ever seeing somebody that like works really hard to

535
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 3: get one. Then you see it and you're like, did

536
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 3: not expect you to have that? And I don't know

537
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 3: if I feel.

538
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 2: Comfortable with it? What the fuck? What do you do?

539
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. You were at the end

540
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 3: of the beach and it's like a really pasty dude.

541
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 3: It almost looks as a photoshopped set of abs on

542
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 3: It's creepy.

543
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's jack. I'm just letting the photoshops as well.

544
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: You taped the photo on your stomach, But I'm just

545
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: remembering the Kevin Costner swimming in a in Robin Hood,

546
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: he's like taking a bath in a waterfall. And that

547
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: is the reverse of the Iron Man, where it's like, wait,

548
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: this doesn't make sense that he would be this jack.

549
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: It's he's like supposed to be the fucking hottest ude ever.

550
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: He's like getting out of a shower, out of you know,

551
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: the equivalent, the Robin Hood equivalent of the shower, which

552
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 1: is a waterfall, and like made Marian is like visibly

553
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: being like, oh God.

554
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 2: I'm looking at yeah, how are you gonna say that?

555
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 2: He looks like, you know, this looks like regular. Yeah.

556
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like extra regular, extra me, Robin Hood bringing

557
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 3: back extra regular. Yeah, oh wow, was just ass out

558
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 3: in the movie. His asses out and he has tandlines.

559
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: I know.

560
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess the sun is strong out there in

561
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 2: Sherwood for us. All Right, we're gonna we'ren you got there.

562
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 3: I imagine this is normal SAT show, but yeah, yeah,

563
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 3: this is about so yeah, Kevin Costs in our shirtless.

564
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and we'll come back and

565
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: talk about WIJA. We'll be right back, and we're back.

566
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: We're back, and uh, you did a couple episodes on

567
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: WIJA awards, Yes, a year ago or so, and then

568
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: a more recent one where you cover the phenomenon of

569
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: Zozo and.

570
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 3: Who I mean, it's funny, it's it is funny, the

571
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 3: aren't The episodes aren't funny, they're scary, but they are spooky.

572
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 1: I was getting spooked. It's getting downright spooked to listen

573
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: to those things. It's kind of like, here, my, have

574
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: you ever been in a meeting where like someone zoom

575
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: bombs it, like usually a teenager.

576
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 2: Fuck you, like just the worst thing they could think of.

577
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 2: But that that's really funny though, that's like such a

578
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 2: twenty twenty kind of It was a real zoom bombing.

579
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: It was a it was a real pandemic thing. Yeah,

580
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: and that kind of feels like, what's happening. It's like

581
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: these two malevolent spirits that keep and so so. Here

582
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 1: the the thing that is creepy about it is that

583
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: you're taught you the format of your shows. You talk

584
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: to people who they then tell their story of this

585
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: thing that resists sort of explanation happening to them, and

586
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: so it's like almost an oral tradition. You get to

587
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: hear the story from them. It adds a real like

588
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: layer of like I don't know that's this is like

589
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: it's hard to deny when you like, yeah, so like

590
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: I was in high school, like this is the weird

591
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: shit that I was doing, and then like this thing

592
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: started happening. And in this case, the like people were

593
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: fucking around with Wigi boards and like they started having

594
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: these like really dark messages come through and it was

595
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: Zozo in the episodes from last year was like what

596
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: they kept it kept going zo Zo Zeo, and like

597
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: they they didn't realize it at the time, but like

598
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 1: you do the research and this is a there's a

599
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: trend across people who fuck around with wigi boards of

600
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: like this specific thing happened. Oh and Zaza is like

601
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: a common Wiji board. It's like a very common thing,

602
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: very common. There's like a movie called I Am Zozo

603
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: that I think is like not very well reviewed. I

604
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: think it's like a thirteen percent rotten Tomato situation, but yeah, classic,

605
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: but yeah, this is like a massive thing. And you know,

606
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: I had heard of it, like I I think I

607
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: had heard like the concept just from being on the

608
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: internet or something. But it's totally something that I would

609
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: completely laugh at and.

610
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: Not want to do on the show.

611
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you were consciously making up names. Those

612
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: would not be the names you came.

613
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,719
Speaker 3: Sounds like a fake name that like a thirteen year

614
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 3: old girl she's like trying to write a horror movie

615
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 3: for the first time.

616
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 2: Like a like a five year old That lies a lot. Yeah, yeah, exactly,

617
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 2: but it is weird.

618
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Speaker 3: And yeah, I started getting a lot of emails about it,

619
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: and then you know, obviously people I ended up interviewing

620
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 3: had like really intense stories that involve this, and apparently

621
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Speaker 3: it's really common for something to kind of like take

622
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Speaker 3: over on the board and identify itself by this name.

623
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Speaker 3: And yeah, I guess that was like where it turned

624
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 3: for me, is when I was starting to talk to

625
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 3: people who like weren't aware that this is a phenomena

626
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 3: that's known and even things that have like happened before

627
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 3: the anybody was talking about this at all on the internet.

628
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, So my read like heading in was more like

629
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: I think Weiji Awards are super interesting because I do

630
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 1: think like they're you know, like like skeptics will be like, oh,

631
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: it's just like people you know, moving the thing on purpose,

632
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: and I tend to think it's like more they're moving

633
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: it and don't realize they're doing it. And so this

634
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: like part of them is being expressed that they don't

635
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: have access to or like control over, you know, like

636
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: it's like a sort of YOUNGI in like some part

637
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: of and in this case it would be like a

638
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: shared unconscious because they all have the same name and

639
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: like this that is associated with the same like dark energy. Yeah,

640
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: which I think, like that doesn't explain everything, but I

641
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: do think it's easy like this. This comes up a

642
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: lot on our show in reference to like the story

643
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 1: of Havana syndrome, where everyone was like, oh, they were

644
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: making it up, and it's like, I don't think they

645
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: were intentionally making it up. Like I think they experienced

646
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: those realities of like a bad thing like getting hit

647
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: with a sound beam or being like under attack by

648
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: some like invisible force that it turns out as like

649
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: kind of physically impossible to have happened.

650
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 3: But like they I know, I'm sorry to force a detour,

651
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 3: but did they ever find a solution for that? Was

652
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 3: there any closure?

653
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: It's not like officially, but you know, you as documents

654
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 1: have been released the CIA themselves and like the different

655
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: departments the Pentagon, like prior to the Trump takeover. All

656
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: seemed to be like, we don't think there was any

657
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: like physical basis for these attacks, and these are our

658
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: organizations that would seemingly love a physical basis for an

659
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: attack that they could you know, start getting funding around.

660
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 3: Because I heard compelling explanations on both sides of it.

661
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 3: Like I first encountered it as something that was just

662
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 3: complete nonsense. It was like evil CIA people having like

663
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 3: maybe internalized guilt for the horrible things they do at work. Yeah,

664
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 3: but uh, you know, but that I've also heard some

665
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 3: stuff that was really compelling on the other side, like

666
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: there's I listened to it like a series where it

667
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 3: interviewed some people who had experienced it in a town.

668
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 3: Isn't really intense, But anyway, you could continue with your point.

669
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 3: I didn't mean, I just I think that that's true.

670
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 3: I think that they experienced harrowing things. I think I

671
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 3: think the power of the unconscious mind is like the

672
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 3: great underrated force of people's existence. And I think like

673
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 3: ritual and you know, all these things that we don't

674
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 3: really make room for officially, as like mattering in our world.

675
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 3: In a lot of cases, like are ways of accessing that?

676
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 3: And I think I just think that people are like

677
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: if it's their own conscious mind, then it's like skeptic

678
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 3: skeptic view not interesting. And I think that's actually like

679
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 3: really interesting, Like that's kind of what's going on. But

680
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 3: there are definitely parts of the story that would make

681
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: it like impossible for that. Like there's one part where

682
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 3: it predicts that they're at like a high school movie

683
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 3: screening on a football field, and it is like it

684
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 3: predicts that the projector's about to go down and it does.

685
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Yeah.

686
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: There's a ton of stuff like that, And I mean

687
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: also the fact that in that story this occurred before

688
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: this whole Zozo thing was like a trend like a

689
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: decade before.

690
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

691
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 3: And then the other thing is like the basis for

692
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: pooh poohing wigiboards. As I say, it's like the idio

693
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 3: motor effect. It's like this idea that like microscopic muscle

694
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 3: movements in a group can like guide the thing the

695
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 3: plan chat. But and that's you know, like the idio

696
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 3: motor effect is like a real thing. I'm pretty sure

697
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 3: it's been like proven to exist. But if you look

698
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 3: at the board like z O, like z is all

699
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 3: the way at the end oh, is not equally the

700
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 3: at the end on the opposite side, it's like one roer.

701
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 3: So I just think, like, if you guys, if like

702
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 3: like I know, people explain it away by saying like, oh,

703
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 3: it's just sort of like in the downtime between you know,

704
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 3: the ideo motor effect spelling out a word, people just

705
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 3: kind of like go to the side to side pattern

706
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 3: and hit that.

707
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, I just don't think it would hit z.

708
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: O or ZA for that matter. Right, it's two specifics

709
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: things from each other. Yeah, it's too common. It's too

710
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 1: common out I would expect to see other patterns of

711
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: that sort. And that's sort of what I I kind

712
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: of come to those conclusions a lot on the show,

713
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,280
Speaker 1: where I'm very open to looking at it both ways,

714
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: but sort of like, well, I would expect to see

715
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: more like same with like the hat Man stuff, right,

716
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: the hat Man stuff. The hat Man is this very

717
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: common shadow figure that people see oftentimes in sleep proalysis,

718
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: but people see it not during sleep paralysis. It's just

719
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: the shadow shadow man that looks like he's wearing like

720
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: a wide brimmed hat and sometimes he has red eyes.

721
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: There's like another thing that I would have laughed at

722
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: and thought was corny until I realized like how common

723
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: this is. And it's like a localized thing because I

724
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: mean I've I see it all over the place, right, so,

725
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: and that's kind of what makes it sort of interesting.

726
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: It's not just like, well, these group of kids over here,

727
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 2: so when they're fucking around with ambient or something, it's like, no,

728
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 2: this is it.

729
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's that too, Yeah, the benda dryl thing.

730
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 3: But but yeah that And then in sleep paralysis, there's

731
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 3: like a few common things people see. The other one

732
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 3: is like the old hag, which is like this woman

733
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 3: sitting on you. And then this is sort of the

734
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 3: same thing, but like the mayor. Then this is like

735
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 3: the origin for the term nightmare, is this thing sitting

736
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 3: on you and holding you down. But anyway, there's like

737
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 3: is it a horse? The mayor is a horse? I

738
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 3: think at one point it was like a horse, ye,

739
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 3: kind of like demon thing. I think that's what it

740
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 3: might have been, damn. But yeah, it's a really old term.

741
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 3: But they're like pretty much every culture has a similar

742
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 3: thing to this, and they're all similar looking, like seeing

743
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 3: this old woman on you, or in the case of

744
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 3: the hat man, how widespread. That is so circling back

745
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: to the unconscious talk. If it was just like the

746
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 3: human unconscious whatever that means, by the way, right generating this,

747
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 3: you'd expect to see a lot more variation, especially throughout

748
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 3: time and culture. Like I'd be very, very surprised, you know,

749
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 3: I just said that the whole the origin of the

750
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 3: term nightmare comes from this phenomenon. You would expect going

751
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 3: back that far that like fears would change enough.

752
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: Why would we have like.

753
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't it the uh tesla? You know, that's what

754
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: we get around. We don't get around in uh on

755
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,879
Speaker 1: horses anymore. We get around, so like, wow, why would

756
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: it still be a horse? Why would it be a

757
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: guy with a big hat that like is not a

758
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 1: style people wear anymore.

759
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 3: I would expect to see more like micro trends with it,

760
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 3: if that makes sense, Yeah, totally. Yeah, and between cultures

761
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 3: and stuff, So yeah, that's those are the kind of

762
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 3: things that interest me, you know. And and those two

763
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 3: things I did laugh off at first, but then kind

764
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 3: of reluctantly dug into them, like, oh, this is pretty

765
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 3: interesting actually and frightening. So I don't really know what

766
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 3: it is. It's funny that. I mean, I think it's

767
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 3: sort of a stupid name. I wanted to think of

768
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 3: another name for that episode beside Zaza, Like it killed

769
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 3: me to call it. But that's like, I don't know,

770
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 3: I think that's interesting though, when it's a scary thing

771
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 3: that like I'm you know, I'm I'm normally somebody that

772
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 3: would think it's completely stupid, but the story is compelling

773
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 3: enough that like pulls me to the other side, right,

774
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 3: And it's kind of a goofy sounding name, but this

775
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 3: is I guess that makes.

776
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 2: It scarier in a way. You're like, no, not Zaz.

777
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 3: It is like something that like you would kind of

778
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 3: laugh at it first.

779
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 2: You know, totally.

780
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that's kind of like the experience

781
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 4: of listening to your show, Like I remember last Time

782
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 4: You're on was kind of like I think you were

783
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 4: just getting into like the them series of episodes and

784
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 4: like I'm I'm I'm very skeptical, like I'm I'm one

785
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 4: of those people who like even though like Japan I'm Japanese,

786
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 4: there's like very rich ghost like you know, spooky culture

787
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 4: there that I'm like, nah, I'm not, I'm not.

788
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: Seeing any of this stuff.

789
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 4: But like in listening to your show, because I mean,

790
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 4: like I remember when you're on last time, you're sort

791
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 4: of like, I don't necessarily believe in everything or at all.

792
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 4: It's more just like it's it's really interesting to hear

793
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 4: these people describe these events that have happened and them

794
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 4: experience them. Yeah, and them one is by far one

795
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 4: of the most fun out there things I've ever heard

796
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 4: in my life. If you like, give like a you know,

797
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 4: like a three line description of it so people kind

798
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 4: of understand what I'm about to, like get into here

799
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 4: and real quick.

800
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: Before you were, before we started recording, you were had

801
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: to answer a text message. I have to assume it

802
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: was from one of the interdimensional.

803
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you know? How do you know?

804
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 3: I will say, interesting timing. The girl from that series

805
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 3: is visiting right now. She's in town, so met her

806
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 3: in person. Yeah, I can do a soul by meetup.

807
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: Man.

808
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: You could look up. Yeah, maybe you'll see her walking

809
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: around in the neighborhood. Yeah.

810
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 4: But I mean yeah, like sort of give a light

811
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 4: breakdown because I think it's really interesting to listen whether

812
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 4: or not you believe in this stuff, are skeptical. I

813
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 4: think it's the sense the experience of listening to it

814
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 4: for me was very interesting.

815
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: I'm glad you liked it.

816
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 3: Basically, it's about this girl in Norway who is kind

817
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 3: of feeling off and basically one night while she's in college,

818
00:40:54,680 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 3: sees this strange looking like man in her room, like

819
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 3: a ghost but not quite. She's obviously freaked out, has

820
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 3: a lot of really strange physical sensations as well around

821
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 3: this time, and tries to power on with her life,

822
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 3: but is ultimately just kind of having anxiety about it

823
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 3: and tweaking as you would expect. So she calls her

824
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 3: mom and hopes that her mom will calm her down,

825
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 3: tells her like, I saw this thing, like I'm feeling

826
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 3: all this stuff blah blah blah. But instead of her

827
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 3: mom calming her down, she was like I was afraid

828
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 3: this was going to happen, and was like they're talking

829
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 3: to you now.

830
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: She's like what, there we go yep.

831
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 3: But so she's like what And so her mom, you know,

832
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 3: tells her very briefly that she's been communicating with these

833
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 3: beings for like a long time and is essentially like,

834
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 3: come home to visit and we'll talk. And at that

835
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 3: point she finds out that the mom and a girl

836
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 3: from the mom's gym have been communicating with what they

837
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 3: think are interdimensional beings for a substantial amount of time

838
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 3: I forget how long. Yeah, And to make to make

839
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 3: it stranger, this girl from the gym is the same

840
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: age as Soul VI, and her and the mom have

841
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 3: like become very close, uh, to the point where there

842
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 3: she becomes like a third sister to them essentially.

843
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like kind of doppelgangers or like they have

844
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: like a lot of between them. Yeah.

845
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's like and it gets weirder from there, right,

846
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 3: But it's to me, it's I always like that like

847
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 3: start to the story is what locked me in early on,

848
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 3: and especially meeting Soul, I'm like, I one hundred percent

849
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,439
Speaker 3: believe this girl. I mean, it's not even a question

850
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 3: of belief, you know, you meet her and talk to

851
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 3: her just like she's a very straightforward person, right, This

852
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 3: clearly happened to her and she doesn't know what it is.

853
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 4: But that's the thing that like really fucked me up

854
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 4: about it now, because again I was like, I'm sure

855
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 4: there's got to be a way to explain all this,

856
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 4: But then I was trying to look deeper as to

857
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 4: what was pulling me in despite being so like logical

858
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 4: when I like, when I listen to things like this,

859
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 4: and there is something I think, because we live in

860
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 4: this like super dumbed down, like deeply disconnected world right now,

861
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 4: like our current like world, this modern world we're completely

862
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 4: disconnected from like you know, the land, from each other,

863
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 4: like our history and things like that. That to hear

864
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 4: somebody describe these sort of paranormal phenomena or experiences in

865
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 4: a way like sort of calls to something like that,

866
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 4: there's something there's like there's a spirituality that we've lost

867
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 4: on some level as human beings that even if I

868
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 4: believe soulvie, are not hearing this person speak about these

869
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 4: things that can't be explained, that they don't understand, is

870
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 4: like pulling at something I think much deeper, like in

871
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 4: the human experience that we just completely lack now, like

872
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 4: especially because that's what colonialism does to most people, like

873
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 4: completely it's those things are seen as like pagan or

874
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 4: savage or whatever.

875
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: And the ritual and spirituality out of things, and it's

876
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: just like this is a materialist universe. Here are the

877
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: laws that explain it. We know everything no more mystery

878
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: r to work.

879
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 4: Exactly, and I think there's a yearning on some level

880
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 4: that it surely just can't be all of this just

881
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 4: tangible shit on some level, even if you're religious or

882
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 4: not that like, there is something that we feel on

883
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 4: a deeper level that we can't quite explain. And I

884
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 4: think that's why I really enjoy listening to the show

885
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 4: is because even then, even if I'm like, I don't

886
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 4: know if this actually happened, but the sensation of hearing

887
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 4: a person sort of sincerely describe a thing, whether they're

888
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 4: like very talented liars or just people who are really

889
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 4: being very sincere, there's just something that is undeniable that

890
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 4: I realize. I'm like, oh, man, like there's something about

891
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 4: it that is like I don't know, like healing, or

892
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 4: there's a yearning that I didn't understand, like I had

893
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 4: deep within me, which is like trying to find sort

894
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 4: of like these sort of threads to something like that

895
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 4: isn't just tangible and just explainable like everything else has been.

896
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 3: In mind, I like, I really really like that reaction,

897
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 3: and that's actually kind of like what I hope the

898
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 3: reaction I hope people have to the show or was

899
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 3: hoping they would have. And I think it's what why

900
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 3: I like this stuff, you know, where I wasn't super

901
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 3: into it, but I do think like when you hear

902
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 3: something like that, I find it comforting in a way,

903
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 3: like it kind of can make you feel small and

904
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 3: like remind you that, oh, yeah, we really don't know

905
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 3: anything still, right, and especially when like the world is

906
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 3: crazy or your life is crazy or anything, just things

907
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 3: feel out of control so often in life, you know,

908
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 3: I think there's there's an odd comfort to uh hearing

909
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 3: the most extreme version of that and being reminded like,

910
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 3: oh yeah, like not only is the world completely out

911
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 3: of control, like it's always been out of control, like

912
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 3: we don't know anything. We're just like kind of powerless,

913
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 3: you know, And that's fine. It's a comforting knowing that

914
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 3: there are these great, great mysteries that maybe we'll understand

915
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 3: one day, but it's okay to not know because I mean, so,

916
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 3: I think I've spound my life being a skeptic, like

917
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 3: a real skeptic on uh, supernatural things, and yet I

918
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 3: wear specific hats or don't wear specific hats based on what,

919
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 3: like how a basketball team that I like has performed,

920
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 3: which is just I think to your point about powerlessness,

921
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 3: it's like that is the thing I am completely unable

922
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 3: to control, and so I like invent this stupid way

923
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 3: that I can control it and like believe it with

924
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 3: my body and not my mind.

925
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 2: But like fully, like I'm like, fuck, I did something

926
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: wrong on that one.

927
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's what's interesting too, because I remember like

928
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 4: a lot of people to like shows like yours or

929
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 4: other shows dealing with like paranormal phenomenas, Like there are

930
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 4: people who so deeply want to just explain why it

931
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 4: isn't like and it's just like and it's an unequivocal no,

932
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 4: this is fucking nonsense, and like I get that sort

933
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 4: of desire. But I think that's why I like I

934
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 4: That's what I found very interesting about listening to the episode.

935
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 4: It's not me necessarily trying to figure out like where

936
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 4: are the where are the holes in this story, because like, sure,

937
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 4: I can be very analytical about those kinds of things,

938
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 4: but I think again, it's the idea of just that

939
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 4: that there is something we just can't explain and it's

940
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 4: and sure, maybe it's manifesting in these people saying like

941
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 4: I'm experiencing X Y or z but like even knowing

942
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 4: someone is experiencing that, there's something like intoxicating about it too,

943
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 4: And I think maybe that could just be because I've

944
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 4: been I'm such a deep skeptic about stuff like this

945
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 4: where I find myself not having to be like does

946
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 4: this confirm my beliefs or does it completely blow them up?

947
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 4: I'm like finding this middle thing which it's like, no, man, Like,

948
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 4: there's something just much deeper, even if it's about like

949
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 4: it's not maybe necessarily interdimensional beings communicating, but we've shut

950
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 4: ourselves off to something that like I'm trying to figure

951
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 4: out how to reconnect to and not in like a

952
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 4: magical way, but just something that's a little bit more

953
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 4: outside of what is, you know, sort of academically described.

954
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

955
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 3: No, absolutely, And I will say this, like, well, first

956
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 3: of all, as the host of this show and somebody

957
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 3: who wants people to just be able to like listen

958
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 3: and relax and like not being able to not try

959
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 3: to disprove everything, it is obviously frustrating, like that type

960
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 3: of personality who's like wants to quickly disprove things. But

961
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 3: I will also say that like a lot of this stuff,

962
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 3: even if you don't like believe it all the way.

963
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 3: Like a lot of times, like I don't have a

964
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 3: way to disprove it, and I try, right, A lot

965
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 3: of people are comfortable disproving something by just like saying

966
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 3: some bullshit and being okay with it not being complete.

967
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 2: Right. A lot of the ways people.

968
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 3: Disprove these things is just like throwing out some fucking

969
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 3: stupid shit they heard on Wikipedia or like a podcast

970
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 3: one time and just being like, oh, it's like this effect,

971
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, like I heard about that one time.

972
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 3: It's like all right, And then if you really if

973
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 3: you really apply it and like pick it through, it

974
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 3: doesn't make sense. Like it wouldn't hold up in court, right,

975
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 3: Like you couldn't if you actually had to disprove it,

976
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 3: like up to the standards of like a jury, you know,

977
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 3: that would not work. Often times, there's all sorts of

978
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 3: weird little things people toss around, like mold. The person

979
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 3: had like black mold in their house. Maybe maybe it

980
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 3: was black mold in their house neither.

981
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 2: That's just like, right, there's the fact that even someone

982
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 2: is experiencing the world like that.

983
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 3: I think it's just very Yeah, I would still be interested,

984
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 3: but yeah, I mean there's things like that that get

985
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 3: tossed around as if we even fully understand those and

986
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 3: Jack not to I'm not picking on you at all.

987
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 3: I do this too, but like I hear a lot

988
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 3: about people saying like, oh, it's just their unconscious playing

989
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 3: tricks on them. It's like, well, dude, that's not even

990
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 3: we don't even know what the unconscious mind is yet

991
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 3: or the limitations of it. So it's like that doesn't

992
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 3: really I'm not satisfied with that explanation ever. That gets

993
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 3: tossed around a lot. It's like, well, we don't know

994
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 3: the function, the complete functions of the unconscious mind, how

995
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 3: it exists. We don't know if it's completely internal. There's

996
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 3: people who think that it could be partly external. Yeah,

997
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 3: I think that it could come from somewhere else. That

998
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 3: opens things up, That opens the floodgates.

999
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1000
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: So it's like Young believed that there was like a

1001
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: shared unconscious that we like had access to that exactly.

1002
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of my interest in it, is

1003
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 2: that it's so unknown and which is just as magical

1004
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 2: the concept of shared unconscious and then have been going

1005
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 2: about to sort of bring all that to it.

1006
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one of those things where like, uh, it's

1007
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 3: sort of like the one oh one level is being

1008
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 3: the Reddit atheist who just is like, oh, it's all fake.

1009
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 3: But when you kind of like dig deeper, you kind

1010
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 3: of like come out through the other side. At one

1011
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 3: point you could kind of like keep digging through to

1012
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 3: the other side over and over again with this stuff,

1013
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 3: which is interesting. But yeah, like unconscious stuff. I mean

1014
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 3: even bringing it back to the Wuiji board, it's like

1015
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 3: if it is everybody's unconscious, like they're the movement on

1016
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 3: the plan chet kind of like reaching this flow state,

1017
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 3: like that is actually what spiritualists would say is the

1018
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 3: key to unlocking it, right, Yeah, the people who create

1019
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 3: like basically popularize the weedge aboard and like they don't

1020
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 3: actually the spiritualists don't use that anymore. But like that era,

1021
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 3: that era of time is like what birth this like

1022
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 3: the talking board. But yeah, those people that believe at.

1023
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: One hundred percent would say that that is the key,

1024
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: like the group working together and that shared exactly.

1025
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 3: I think it's so powerful and interesting. Yeah, it's it's cool.

1026
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 3: I mean the longer you think about it, the more

1027
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 3: you scratch your head with this stuff.

1028
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, two of the characters like predict using the Luigi

1029
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 1: like predict the day, the exact day that like when

1030
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: or the you know, uh Zozo predicts the exact day

1031
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: that their boyfriends are both going to break up with them,

1032
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: And I thought that was funny, so wild, Like I

1033
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 1: forgot this either way, it's so interesting. I forget if

1034
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 1: it made it into the episode or not. But when

1035
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: she told me that, I was like, do you think

1036
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: there's a chance that you guys just broke up with

1037
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 1: you because you were addicted to playing with a week?

1038
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 2: We're obsessed with it? But like that is what I think.

1039
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: It's like a drug where you're like connecting with this

1040
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: thing in a way that is not available to you

1041
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: in any in any other way. So like what whether

1042
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: it's something outside or inside, I think it's you know,

1043
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: powerful and interesting. I'm way more powerful than anybody is

1044
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: anyone who's doing it, like being like it's just their

1045
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: unconscious mind making playing tricks on them that yeah, it's

1046
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: not dismissive, Like that actually makes it more interesting to me,

1047
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: I think, Yeah.

1048
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 3: But with the Them series, people want clean answers. There's

1049
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 3: a certain type of person that would want like a

1050
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 3: clear answer to that, and they go looking for it.

1051
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 3: I wanted to disprove that one I'm not disproven. I

1052
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 3: thought I was going to that confident I would find something.

1053
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 3: I would like turn over enough stones that I would

1054
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 3: find clue, right like, but I have not really even

1055
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 3: formed a theory in my mind that like a hypothetical

1056
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 3: way to disprove it all. I'm just kind of lost,

1057
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 3: which is so spooky to me. And uh, yeah, I

1058
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 3: don't know, that's what I mean. Same with the people

1059
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 3: in it, they don't really know what it is whether.

1060
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 4: I think that's why I like even just like I

1061
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 4: would have when I was listening to them, like I

1062
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,720
Speaker 4: can't wait to hear what the answer is. But then again,

1063
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 4: as again, like the sensation of listening to it isn't

1064
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 4: necessarily that I'm thinking of it, like logically, it's more

1065
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,879
Speaker 4: I'm I think it's because because I'm skeptical that part

1066
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 4: of that, like there's a certain cynicism that comes along

1067
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 4: with that, not that it's like bad or anything, but

1068
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 4: this helped thaw that a bit and was just maybe

1069
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 4: it's just for pure entertainment or pleasure that I could

1070
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 4: just go, well, we don't know everything, and that's interesting

1071
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 4: and I like it and I'll keep it there. It's

1072
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 4: not I'm not going up calling my mom and be like, yo, mom,

1073
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 4: we got to get right with these interdimensional beams.

1074
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Hear the clicking sounds I'm making with my mouth,

1075
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 2: And I.

1076
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: Think that sort of uncanny thing you're talking about of

1077
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: like the experience of listening to the show is like

1078
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: the we used to only learn and pass information on

1079
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 1: via the oral tradition, and like that is learning like

1080
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: hearing things as people experience them through their experience, and

1081
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: like that's what I think is so powerful about the show,

1082
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: is like it's reconnecting you with like that way of

1083
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: experiencing these things that you know, we we were just

1084
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: like yeah, but written tradition better. And it's like you're

1085
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: cutting out a whole, very compelling way of learning about

1086
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: human experience.

1087
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think like to kind of close out

1088
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 3: the whole skepticism thing. You know, people who believe that

1089
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:54,760
Speaker 3: there is explanations for everything, it's just we simply don't.

1090
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 3: I would be I would love to know if we

1091
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 3: did have an explanation, Like let's just say for ghosts,

1092
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 3: like people, there are people who legitimately believe that like

1093
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 3: ghosts have been disproved, and like like whether it's infrasound

1094
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,479
Speaker 3: or you know, mold poisoning or something, there are people

1095
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 3: who think that's like case closed, this is what it is.

1096
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 3: It's just simply not the case. And what I always

1097
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 3: say in terms of that is like, if there really

1098
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 3: was some way to make a person see a ghost,

1099
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 3: I would love to know.

1100
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 2: I would love to patent it is that. Should you

1101
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 2: imagine the haunted house? You could do?

1102
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,720
Speaker 3: Can you imagine the bag from the Universal Studios contract?

1103
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 3: If I figured out, like there's a sound frequency I

1104
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 3: could play to like vibrate somebody's brain in a way

1105
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 3: that they see a ghost.

1106
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: All right, I'm patenting that you won't. You won't have

1107
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: the podcast again, Bro, I'll be beyond James raytheon would

1108
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: be knocking at your door before Universal Studio.

1109
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1110
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's take a quick break, we'll come back. We'll

1111
00:55:54,360 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: be right that sure, and we're back and real quick.

1112
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: It is the week of Halloween. I am just curious.

1113
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: That's somebody who you know you've connected with all these Oh,

1114
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:16,759
Speaker 1: by the way, we were talking about stupid names. I

1115
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: did just want to say Pazuzu, which is like an

1116
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: ancient It sounds like a gen Z slang for possessed.

1117
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: It sounds like a gen Z person being like I

1118
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: got pazzuz. Yeah, but yeah, that's like people think that

1119
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: is always like maybe thats yeah.

1120
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, or like close to the BJ's brewers, like, hey,

1121
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 4: have you guys had our pizus before for dessert?

1122
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 2: It's called a pazzuki back in the day.

1123
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 1: But I do feel like Halloween is a time when

1124
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 1: US culture, like this version of the Zeitgeist, gets to

1125
00:56:54,560 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: devote energy toward living with that like different very you know,

1126
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 1: allowing those energies to kind of come out a little bit.

1127
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: And yeah, I feel like there's the skeptical thing that's

1128
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:09,919
Speaker 1: like it's just a chance to get drunk or dress

1129
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: up or whatever. But like, first of all, just connecting

1130
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: with the unconscious through mask play is like a very

1131
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: interesting form of therapy, and you know a thing that

1132
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: I think there are interesting ways to take that what

1133
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: the skeptical people are talking about and be like that

1134
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: that's actually really interesting that just by wearing a mask,

1135
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: you like change how you experienced reality in such a

1136
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: way that you like almost become a different person. I'm

1137
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: just curious as somebody who has experienced all these stories

1138
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: and like done all this rapporting, Like what are your

1139
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: thoughts on Halloween? Like, on, do you think there are

1140
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: any icons of Halloween? They're like particularly like powerful sort

1141
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: of pop cultural poor cruxes, you know what I mean, Like.

1142
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 3: Uhh, I mean no, personally, I mean like I am

1143
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 3: just kind of like I think it's just because my work,

1144
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 3: so I'm so desensitized, you know. I think it's like

1145
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 3: the way doctors like don't get freaked out by blood

1146
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 3: at a certain point or bodies or you know, when

1147
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 3: you like don't want to get naked in front of

1148
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 3: your doctor for physical and your friends like, oh, it's

1149
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 3: just skinned to them, Like they don't they even like

1150
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 3: see you as naked.

1151
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 2: They don't give a fuck.

1152
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 3: Like I think like I've developed in that kind of

1153
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 3: like callousness towards this material, like it doesn't scare me anymore.

1154
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not trying to sound like a badass or whatever,

1155
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 2: but like, so what do you do like Halloween?

1156
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: You just be just being like, hey, none of this matters.

1157
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: I know I should probably this is like not a

1158
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: fun answer. I should just lied and told you that

1159
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm the biggest Halloween fan or whatever. But no, it's

1160
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: become you know, it's interesting. I love Halloween. I always

1161
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: have loved Halloween, but now I'm during this month, I'm

1162
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: so focused on like making the episodes the best they

1163
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: can that, Like I don't have a costume, Like I

1164
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: don't really have any major plans.

1165
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 2: This is my busy month. Now. Yeah, I would go

1166
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 2: on as you for Halloween. You're an icon of o

1167
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 2: cult shit.

1168
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 3: Boring costume though, boring costume. But I will say, uh,

1169
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 3: in terms of iconography, I mean the Wija board scares me. Yeah,

1170
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 3: I think that's like a weird thing. I I and

1171
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 3: a lot you know people put it. You know, there's

1172
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 3: like horror fans who like put them on their wall

1173
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 3: or whatever like that kind of free. I wouldn't do that.

1174
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even keep one in my house. I'm just

1175
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 3: gonna be honest with you. That type of stuff I

1176
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 3: just like wouldn't do it.

1177
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 2: I don't know. Wait, what's a.

1178
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 4: List of things you wouldn't you wouldn't keep in your

1179
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 4: house based on everything you've encountered. Now, so Ouiji board,

1180
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 4: don't bring that, not don't leave that.

1181
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:47,919
Speaker 1: Heres are good though, right, that's just a Hasbro toy.

1182
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 2: That's fine. Most of the answers are nonsense.

1183
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 3: I don't know, like I think I think everybody's different.

1184
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 3: I'll just say that everybody's different, and like if something

1185
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 3: for freaks you out or freaks me out or unsettles me,

1186
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 3: like I wouldn't keep it in my house, if that

1187
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 3: makes sense. Like, so I host the show, so I'm

1188
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 3: given stuff, I get stuff. There's like there's things that

1189
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 3: just kind of like unsettle me. Like I I think

1190
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 3: I was like designing merch or something. So I went

1191
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 3: to one of those like brew Herria stores or whatever

1192
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 3: that you see in La where it's like they sell

1193
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 3: all the witchcraft stuff and they sell like weird Jesus

1194
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 3: statues and like dragons, and you could buy like a

1195
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 3: love spell. I remember buying like all the weird like

1196
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,240
Speaker 3: love spells or like the clone that you spray and

1197
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 3: can make you rich. There are a couple of those

1198
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 3: that kind of like freaked me out, just like the vibes.

1199
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,360
Speaker 3: So I think I got rid of that a little

1200
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 3: too powerful. I feel like that's sort of my guidelines,

1201
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 3: is like if it's something that's freak, you know, I

1202
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,840
Speaker 3: look at it as more like personal, but objectively. I

1203
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 3: don't know if there's like any objective things that I think.

1204
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 2: No, I mean that they're bad. Yeah. I think that's

1205
01:00:57,160 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 2: what's so interesting about like the paranormal is that it

1206
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 2: speaks to everyone differently, Like whereas like any ghost right here,

1207
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, whatever, and then someone's like inter dimensional

1208
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 2: being how I'm like, uh huh, yeah, Yeah.

1209
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,439
Speaker 3: I think intentions matter a lot. I know my answer

1210
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 3: kind of sounds like a cop out or some shit.

1211
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 3: I'm just like making up off the fly, But I

1212
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 3: think intentions do matter, just based on like what I

1213
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 3: hear on the show. I think like your own like

1214
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 3: vibes for backup lack of a better word, have like

1215
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 3: a big play on things, you know, so if it's

1216
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,320
Speaker 3: if it's impacting you, it might impact your home, you know,

1217
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 3: and vice versa. Yeah, and like people, there's too long

1218
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 3: of a story. But somebody I know had a cursed

1219
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 3: family ring, like multi generational curse, and like things are

1220
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 3: happening related to the ring. It is an engagement ring

1221
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 3: that made them think of it still cursed. And she

1222
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 3: came to me asking like, hey, do you anybody that

1223
01:01:57,160 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 3: could uncurse the ring?

1224
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 2: And I was like no, I do not I do

1225
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 2: not know. I'm sorry. Who are headed to mountain doom

1226
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 2: right now? Yeah?

1227
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly, Yeah, give them, give them some some

1228
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 1: bread and cheese and they could take it, take it

1229
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: along with them, two for one.

1230
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 2: But this was a friend.

1231
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 3: Her name's Rosie by the way, she's been on the show.

1232
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean when somebody, she was serious and

1233
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 3: I wanted to give a serious answer, and I didn't

1234
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 3: have an answer for her. But what I actually believed

1235
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 3: in when I told her was I was like, you know,

1236
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 3: obviously your research around and find somebody to do this,

1237
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:36,439
Speaker 3: but you should go with like whatever you think would

1238
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 3: uncurse it, right, Like if you think that's a Catholic priest,

1239
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 3: you should go to a Catholic priest. If you think

1240
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 3: it's going to be some spooky which lady in the valley,

1241
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 3: go there, right if you want to, yeah, like a monk,

1242
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 3: whatever you think you should sage it, do that. Like,

1243
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 3: I think whatever you believe the most, you know, right.

1244
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 2: Right right, that's the most powerful is like your own intent.

1245
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're going into it thinking like this is

1246
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 3: not gonna work, I think it's not gonna work.

1247
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,560
Speaker 2: See Jack that's why you wear the Sixers hat man.

1248
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 1: That's right, and it works every time. That's why they're

1249
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: so good. Jack Wagner, is such a pleasure having you.

1250
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on at this spookiest time of

1251
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: year when you're working on making the show, making amazing

1252
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: episodes of the shows. Where can people find you and

1253
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: follow you?

1254
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 3: Other World is the name of the show. We are

1255
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 3: available anywhere you get your podcast. I suppose recently started

1256
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 3: uploading episodes to YouTube finally, So actually, if you are

1257
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,320
Speaker 3: listening right now, would actually be very helpful if you

1258
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 3: went and subscribed to the YouTube, which I think is

1259
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 3: called Other World Pod on YouTube.

1260
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 2: But just find it.

1261
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 3: We've had a cool visualizer made for it. So nope,

1262
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 3: but yeah, that's where you can find me.

1263
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:49,960
Speaker 2: Their work of.

1264
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: Media that you've been able to come up with that

1265
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: you've been enjoying.

1266
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 2: Oh fuck, I don't know if I have a good

1267
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 2: answer for this. Is there a horror movie that you

1268
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 2: enjoy particularly?

1269
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 3: I haven't seen a good one this year. I've I'm

1270
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 3: so lacking in movies. The last TV show I watched

1271
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 3: was The Pit.

1272
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 2: Do you guys want? Yeah? Yeah? Great TV? Yeah? Well

1273
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 2: a proof I uh we started watching it, but uh

1274
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 2: my wife is a physician, and it was just like

1275
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 2: we just work.

1276
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, just like this is like this, I might have

1277
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 3: to go back and watch er. Yeah, I've never seen it.

1278
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's what I've heard that people like who

1279
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 1: completed were just like I need more of this and

1280
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: went back.

1281
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't.

1282
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 3: That can be my recommendation. I can't recommend any winning

1283
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 3: show everybody.

1284
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 2: That's fine. What else?

1285
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: What do people normally recommend that We've had the pit

1286
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:47,640
Speaker 1: recommended before.

1287
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, people just say like what they're literally watching right now,

1288
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:52,919
Speaker 2: even if it's not interesting and just kind of giving

1289
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 2: people a glimpse into like whatever media they're consuming right now.

1290
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 2: But again, totally up to you.

1291
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 3: I'm consuming, dude, the show can assumes me sadly. So

1292
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna plug my own show all the world and

1293
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 3: I'll plug your show. Yeah, one of you out there

1294
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 3: and the Dodgers and the Dodgers, how about them?

1295
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 2: Miles?

1296
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: Where can people find you as there a workimedia you've

1297
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Speaker 1: been enjoying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, find me everywhere at Miles of Gray. Catch me

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Speaker 2: talking about four to twenty day fiance.

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Speaker 4: Catch me rooting for the Dodgers just within earshot of

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Speaker 4: Dodger Stadium screaming like a fucking demon. And let's see

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Speaker 4: a post I like actually from Blue Sky at Internet,

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Speaker 4: hippot at East Guy at Social posted they're going to

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Speaker 4: change the clocks this weekend and the president is powerless

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Speaker 4: to stop it because he's weak and a loser.

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Speaker 2: That's what they're saying, sir, that is a Blue Sky post.

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Speaker 2: I've ever heard one.

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Speaker 1: Let's see I like to tweet from Eli Crumbendahl, who tweeted, Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: my nervous system can't tell the difference between needing to

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Speaker 1: answer some emails and being.

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Speaker 2: Wanted for murder.

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Speaker 1: That is how I experienced my life. You can find

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Speaker 1: me on Twitter at jack underscorel Brian jack ob One

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Speaker 1: on Blue Sky. You can find us on Twitter and

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Speaker 1: Blue Sky at Daily zeikeistre at the Daily Zeikeist on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: You can go to the description of this episode wherever

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Speaker 1: you're listening to it, and there at the bottom you

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Speaker 1: will find the footnote. But there's where we link off

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Speaker 1: to the information that we talked about in today's episode.

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Speaker 1: We also link off to a song that we think

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Speaker 1: you might enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Is there a song that you think that people might enjoy. Yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: just more.

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Speaker 4: Look, I'm playing Ghost of Jota and my favorite thing

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Speaker 4: to just instrumental hip hop. I play on my spot

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Speaker 4: built in Spotify, so I changed the soundtrack so it's

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Speaker 4: kind of like Samurai Shamplu. But I've been listening to

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Speaker 4: the mad Lib Blue Note record album that he did,

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Speaker 4: Shades of Blue mad Lib Invades Blue Note, and I

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Speaker 4: just want to go out on a track. Just mad

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Speaker 4: Lib is like one of the best sample based producers

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Speaker 4: out there. This one's called Distant Land by mad Lib.

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Speaker 2: All right, we will link off to that in the footnote.

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Speaker 1: Todailys is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 1: visit the Heeartradio at Apple podcast wherever you listen to

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Speaker 1: your favorite shows, that's going to do it for us

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Speaker 1: this morning. We're back this afternoon to tell you what

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Speaker 1: is trending and we will talk to you all then

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Speaker 1: Bye bye.

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Speaker 2: The Daily Zeit Guys is executive produced by Catherine Long,

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Speaker 2: co produced by Bee Wang, co produced by Victor Wright,

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Speaker 2: co written by j M mcnapp, edited and engineered by

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Speaker 2: Justin Connor.