Speaker 1: Look man, oh, I see you. Why look over there?
Speaker 1: How is that culture? Yes? Goodness? Culture? Now? Bo. You
Speaker 1: sort of asked me how I was doing before we started.
Speaker 1: Remember I remember asking you, and I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna like the answer. And you know, you know
Speaker 1: that moment right before you step into a party and
Speaker 1: you go, I'm not gonna like this the energy you
Speaker 1: can already feel there's something going on. Well, step into
Speaker 1: the party, babe. At the party is an ear infection.
Speaker 1: I heard it was a double I hear it was
Speaker 1: a double ear infection, double ear infection in one ear,
Speaker 1: an outer and inner ear infection. I can not here
Speaker 1: out of my right ear. It is a challenge. And
Speaker 1: they've got me on a steroid right now, Bo that
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry. I'm not using it at the gym
Speaker 1: because I think I could, like, you know, not to
Speaker 1: not blow the load on the book here. But mom
Speaker 1: left a car, you know, like when a mom car
Speaker 1: on the steroid they have me on from my ear infection.
Speaker 1: I think I lift a car. We'll get ready for
Speaker 1: your nipples to look insane. You're not going on s
Speaker 1: forbid you? Well, it's too late, Bow, because on Wednesday
Speaker 1: I went in and they put me on antbiotics and
Speaker 1: gave me a shot of steroids in the ass, and
Speaker 1: today I got another one because my ear infection refuses
Speaker 1: to tame. This is actually, this is really actually freaking me.
Speaker 1: I'm really scared. I'm so scared. Oh no, and I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm not being like, I'm not like assuaging anything. You
Speaker 1: are being perfect. Can I say something? You're being perfect?
Speaker 1: Want of a wife? Because you're being something, say I'm
Speaker 1: story stewarding you. As we've learned from Atlas of the
Speaker 1: Heart by Bernie Brown. Atlas of the Heart, everyone must watch.
Speaker 1: Everyone must watch Atlas of the Heart because I took notes.
Speaker 1: I told you I took notes. I took notes mentally,
Speaker 1: I didn't write anything down, but I am of Atlas
Speaker 1: of the Heart today in a sorry industry term. In general,
Speaker 1: I was like, you have to watch Atlas of the
Speaker 1: Heart and the one where they were okay, well, she
Speaker 1: literally had the book like when I described it to her,
Speaker 1: she kind of like checked out and like wasn't making
Speaker 1: eye contact with me over zoom and I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: so I guess you I don't know what you're trying
Speaker 1: to communicate with me to me, not nonverbally, are you
Speaker 1: are you interested? Are you not? Here was my sort
Speaker 1: of vibe in in absorbing Brenne Brown, and I would
Speaker 1: say to anyone at any general or or or outside
Speaker 1: of a general, what you're gonna want to do is
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to drink one of these thhc Seltzer's
Speaker 1: by wonder from higher vibes. We're not getting an ad.
Speaker 1: But this is not an ad. It's just me sort
Speaker 1: of just extolling praise on this beverage which I'm drinking,
Speaker 1: a BlackBerry lemon beverage. God. And I sat here and
Speaker 1: I was so touched by what Brenne was saying that
Speaker 1: I wrote down these things. Connection is a listening and
Speaker 1: believing Okay, look at this. Nothingness is the answer to overwhelm.
Speaker 1: If you don't feel overwhelmed, the answer is to just
Speaker 1: do nothing, sit down, do nothing if you can, not
Speaker 1: if you're a mother, not if you're parents. The enemy
Speaker 1: of connection is control. That was like the last episode.
Speaker 1: I know all of this, Honey, you don't have to
Speaker 1: tell me when I saw the enemy of connection is control.
Speaker 1: That really it really was a watershed bernet. It's actually
Speaker 1: rule culture number forty four has a way, and I
Speaker 1: was just totally overwhelmed by all of this. And honestly,
Speaker 1: I'm employing a lot of these these sort of mantras
Speaker 1: because when I tell you, the ear infection comes a
Speaker 1: day before I need to fly to New York to
Speaker 1: do Watch What Happens Live, which readers of this podcast, no,
Speaker 1: is my one true drink huge and I will not
Speaker 1: allow an ear infection to stop me from promoting the
Speaker 1: upcoming I love that for you on the television program
Speaker 1: Watch What Happens Live. Now, that's interesting because it's also
Speaker 1: a segue bow. It's also a segue. But can I
Speaker 1: just really quickly propose that you ask you pull a
Speaker 1: Mariah Carey famous the Mariah carry on Watch what Happens Well,
Speaker 1: I've asked Andy to flip to the other side so
Speaker 1: that they could get her good side. And I think
Speaker 1: if you can't hear, if you're out of your right ear,
Speaker 1: then that means you have to sort of flip over
Speaker 1: in order to hear best. I should sit in Andy
Speaker 1: seat so that my left ear can be nearest to
Speaker 1: the grand dumb herself, car and Andy Cohen Andrew Cohne.
Speaker 1: I will not allow any ear nonsense. And I know,
Speaker 1: I know historically they're exacerbated by flights, but I will
Speaker 1: not let us stop me. I'm going to New York
Speaker 1: and by the time this airs, the episode will have
Speaker 1: air and have watched What Happens Live by the time
Speaker 1: you listen to this podcast episode, I should say, and
Speaker 1: so just pray that I made it, and pray that
Speaker 1: on April seventeen, if I was on watch It Happens
Speaker 1: Live with Karen Huger. Honey, You're going to do great.
Speaker 1: This is one of those things where like you deserve
Speaker 1: this more than anybody I know. Thank you. I excited. Yes,
Speaker 1: do you do you agree? I actually think I've put
Speaker 1: in the hard yards and I think if I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have my very first televised talk show appearance and has
Speaker 1: to be watched it Happens Live. When they told me
Speaker 1: it was with Karen Hugar, I fell out of my chair.
Speaker 1: I was one of the best on the show. I
Speaker 1: love that for you, getting ready for my big take,
Speaker 1: and they told me it was Karen Huger, and I
Speaker 1: fell out of the chair. No one could understand why
Speaker 1: I was so by. My faculties were so gone, but wow, Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. I'm so excited for you going on
Speaker 1: watch it Happens Life to promote I Love That for You,
Speaker 1: premiering on Showtime April what twenty ninth streaming and it
Speaker 1: airs on Sunday, May one. I don't understand it, but
Speaker 1: that's what's happening. And apparently there's a president for the
Speaker 1: streaming on Friday's. We don't We don't have to get it.
Speaker 1: We don't have to get it to get into that's
Speaker 1: not our job. But here's the thing about our guests.
Speaker 1: The showrunner, the show runner, most powerful person in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: One might say, I feel like this, this is a
Speaker 1: major moment. I have loved this person for such a
Speaker 1: long time. Hello, Hello, I I just have to say, like,
Speaker 1: when I first met the guest, it was my callback
Speaker 1: audition for I Love That for You, And I was
Speaker 1: very nervous to meet her because then it's like a
Speaker 1: thing of you have to go be funny in front
Speaker 1: of the funniest person. What And she's someone who's like,
Speaker 1: she's not like these other people who like not like
Speaker 1: the other girls dip their to not like the other
Speaker 1: girls who dip their toe into like memoir essays and
Speaker 1: you know, kind of phone it in. This is this
Speaker 1: is long form. She's a long form writer writing. It's
Speaker 1: writing Capital W. And the guest is such an amazing writer.
Speaker 1: And the new book, which is out April, it's called
Speaker 1: I'll Show Myself Out. It's stays on midlife and motherhood.
Speaker 1: I am absolutely loving this and it's really caused me
Speaker 1: to I don't know about you, bo, but like really
Speaker 1: renegotiate and like think again about me being a child
Speaker 1: and thinking more and really considering my mother in a
Speaker 1: way that I never had until reading this. And I
Speaker 1: just can't say enough about it. It's so funny, it's
Speaker 1: so it's so smart, it's the right so like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, like I've never seen that sense before. It hits,
Speaker 1: it hits. I just finished it today. I loved it.
Speaker 1: Just the end is really special. Yes, let's tell us
Speaker 1: to her in person while we look at her through this.
Speaker 1: We're going to tell this to her in person. And um, listen,
Speaker 1: I mean you may know and love our guests. Actually,
Speaker 1: we spoke about voiceover before beak behind the Curtain. We
Speaker 1: were all chatting about, you know, setting up tech to
Speaker 1: record our voices during the pandemic. You may know our
Speaker 1: guests as Jesse on Big Mouth. Okay, so that's sort
Speaker 1: of an on camera extraordinaire animated send and then also
Speaker 1: Emmy winner for Inside. Amy Schumer truly one of those
Speaker 1: people that's that's worked on everything good and that will
Speaker 1: continue because when I tell you, she's just such an
Speaker 1: incredible force behind I love that for you the series
Speaker 1: I'm lucky enough to be on with Vanessa bay Or,
Speaker 1: Molly Shan and Jennifer Lewis at all. I'm just so
Speaker 1: excited to work with this person, and I'm just incredibly
Speaker 1: bowled over and honored that she's here to be on
Speaker 1: Lost Cultures. That's so please welcome into your ears. Jesse Claude.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you guys. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: want to cry or throw up or both. It might
Speaker 1: be booth my hair moment. Guys are so nice. Thank
Speaker 1: you for saying such nice things. I am truly flipping
Speaker 1: out to be on this with you, guys. Deservings. I
Speaker 1: I told you, but right before we started recording, um,
Speaker 1: your last book You'll go out of it was like
Speaker 1: my last great like subway read and like it was
Speaker 1: it was just but it was just one of those
Speaker 1: books where I was like, damn, like I feel like
Speaker 1: she's really you write with I don't know, such like
Speaker 1: a crispness, and I don't I don't mean to throw
Speaker 1: these words in you like I don't know, sound a
Speaker 1: little I don't know, just like out of like it's
Speaker 1: the source or something. But like it was, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's it's just it's it's it's a really sharp book.
Speaker 1: And I and the reading this, I was like kind
Speaker 1: of expecting something similar, but this is totally structured in
Speaker 1: such an interesting different way that I was like once
Speaker 1: again sort of blown away by like the thing you're
Speaker 1: trying to write being so unlike a lot of things
Speaker 1: that like people who work in comedy do that. Does
Speaker 1: that make sense? No? I um, well again, I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm so, I'm so glad you read the first one.
Speaker 1: On the subway. Um on the subway or on the
Speaker 1: toilet is really where I want my words to be
Speaker 1: good all the books. So I'm telling you, I wish
Speaker 1: I could bead on the subway more. Sorry, sorry to listen. Wise,
Speaker 1: maybe got a little daisy, but you know, so that
Speaker 1: leaves us with the toilet. I guess, but and I
Speaker 1: do believe in like having a book by the toilet.
Speaker 1: I just I'm not trying to be like a flip
Speaker 1: in about it. I think that's a great a great
Speaker 1: place to eat, but um, it's so funny. Like that
Speaker 1: first book, I was really kind of unemployed when I got, like,
Speaker 1: not really the offer to write the book. I was
Speaker 1: hooked up with a book agent by my manager at
Speaker 1: the time, and I was really kind of I guess.
Speaker 1: I think we had just finished shooting the first season
Speaker 1: of Inside Ami Schumer, and so we didn't know that
Speaker 1: people would like it. We didn't know if it would
Speaker 1: come back. I started. I mean, I liked it, but
Speaker 1: I just assumed most things don't really go the way
Speaker 1: you want them too. So I kind of was I
Speaker 1: was out of a job. I didn't have anything else
Speaker 1: to do. And then um, I met this book agent,
Speaker 1: David Keuton, who was very encouraging and had read just
Speaker 1: like little bits and pieces of things I had, I
Speaker 1: don't know, little essays here and there that were around
Speaker 1: maybe internets or something, and anyway, I just wrote it
Speaker 1: really kind of on like a lark, Like we shopped
Speaker 1: it and someone bought it, and I just was like,
Speaker 1: oh books, don't No one cares about a book. But
Speaker 1: what I have to do? I mean, I was just
Speaker 1: wandering these streets. I had nothing, and I would go
Speaker 1: sit at a little like cupcake wine shop, you know
Speaker 1: where I was living in New York at the time.
Speaker 1: Just you're welcome, and just got like a cupcake and
Speaker 1: a glass of wine at like a tight eleven thirty
Speaker 1: am and just type away. And then they became a book.
Speaker 1: It became a book. But like, I still think about
Speaker 1: versus wolves all the time. I still versus wools, poodles
Speaker 1: and walls. I think about this se you wrote about
Speaker 1: working at SNL and just thinking in terms of like
Speaker 1: the the the different levels of like not envy that
Speaker 1: you feel, but like the levels of like, man, I
Speaker 1: wish I could be in that place. And then you
Speaker 1: get to the place and you're like, I wish you
Speaker 1: could mean this other more inner circle of the place.
Speaker 1: And then you get into that inner circle and then
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, there's yet another inner circle that I
Speaker 1: want to try and get into and like and it
Speaker 1: just leads like into the deepest part of Lauren's brain,
Speaker 1: Like how can I just go into like Laurence exactly
Speaker 1: of a sudden, I look the same as hers. Everything
Speaker 1: is the same. It's the same, it's the same, it's
Speaker 1: the same. But that But then I think it, like
Speaker 1: was why didn't like scolpted it out to like this
Speaker 1: concept of like and this was like when we were
Speaker 1: starting to like figure out that this was like a
Speaker 1: thing that everyone was doing dealing with the social media,
Speaker 1: Like when you see someone's like beach vacation photos, like
Speaker 1: try to like resist that or to be like I
Speaker 1: wish I was there, because once you're there, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's not what I thought it would be. Anyway, I
Speaker 1: just think that that what like you like we're able
Speaker 1: to take like this NL sort of narrative and then
Speaker 1: like make it seem very universal and anyway, I just
Speaker 1: the like not being a mother. I like read this
Speaker 1: this new book, and I was like, damn, like how
Speaker 1: am I? It's it's so wonderful that like I'm able
Speaker 1: to like read it and go, I'm going to reevaluate
Speaker 1: things about my own life. Oh my god. Really Also
Speaker 1: that's so it's such a relief to hear because I
Speaker 1: feel like, um, I just sort of knew with this,
Speaker 1: like I guess my son was maybe like around my
Speaker 1: son is almost seven now, and I don't know. It
Speaker 1: just sort of struck me like when he was around
Speaker 1: like two wish or three ish, like, oh, maybe I
Speaker 1: would like start to write a book about what this
Speaker 1: experience has been like. But and I started talking about
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the book to like, does anybody
Speaker 1: give like one hot funk about like reading about parenthood
Speaker 1: if they're not a parent. I know I've read books
Speaker 1: where like I didn't care about it so much, but
Speaker 1: I was like I kind of wanted to just approach
Speaker 1: it from like this is this is like what I've
Speaker 1: been going through. And also like I guess for me
Speaker 1: being a mother, I did start to reconsider my own
Speaker 1: relationship with my with both of my parents, but especially
Speaker 1: my mom, who I you know, I adore and I
Speaker 1: love her, but I was like, did she feel this
Speaker 1: level of like get me the funk out of here
Speaker 1: when I was a kid. And I can't speak for
Speaker 1: you know, all parents or mothers, but I feel like
Speaker 1: if someone says no, they're lying. Well, Yeah. There was
Speaker 1: a moment where and it was, um, there's a moment
Speaker 1: in the book where you discuss sitting with Asher trying
Speaker 1: to get him to use a public restroom, and you're
Speaker 1: sitting because he's been successfully potty trained at home with
Speaker 1: the smaller like a hero, peing like a hero at
Speaker 1: home in the little plastic patty. I literally I had
Speaker 1: I had an extreme vivid flashback and actually had to
Speaker 1: put the book down and like walk around because for
Speaker 1: the very first time, was transported back to when I
Speaker 1: was a kid. When I was a small kid, I
Speaker 1: was definitely afraid of getting the throat culture, like when
Speaker 1: my throat was hurting. Yeah, and it still bothers me
Speaker 1: a little bit, but I'm telling you, like Jesse, it
Speaker 1: was like a thing where I knew I was going
Speaker 1: to the doctor later in the day and would and
Speaker 1: would be fidgety all day and cry. And then I
Speaker 1: remember one time we didn't even get it successfully because
Speaker 1: for ninety minutes, when I was like six or seven,
Speaker 1: I screamed and cried. And this is this is what
Speaker 1: struck me about it, because it was the very first
Speaker 1: time reading your book that I act. And this is
Speaker 1: what what really stirred me and got me got me
Speaker 1: kind of emotional, was I had never considered my mother
Speaker 1: as the main character of that situation. I had never
Speaker 1: actually thought of her, who she was the only person
Speaker 1: with me at the time. My father wasn't there, and
Speaker 1: this older male doctor who was fed up with me
Speaker 1: and letting my mother know it, and me as a
Speaker 1: child obviously not having any like permanence outside of myself
Speaker 1: only being focused on getting this fucking stick out of
Speaker 1: my mouth and away from me and getting home to
Speaker 1: watch TV or whatever. And I had never really thought
Speaker 1: about what must be going on in my mother's head,
Speaker 1: you know, as someone who just wants her child to
Speaker 1: be healthy, who also probably has a thing going on
Speaker 1: in her brain. Of this doctor is going to think
Speaker 1: I'm a mother who can't control my son, who also
Speaker 1: was stressed out because it's so simple, just sit there
Speaker 1: and get the throat culture done. It's so easy. He
Speaker 1: also was stressed out for the child and what they're
Speaker 1: going through, then maybe even emotionally taking the kid's side,
Speaker 1: because it is a lot it is going down his throat.
Speaker 1: It has to be so much. And I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: your book and your writing and the way that you
Speaker 1: sort of described the situation got me to consider my
Speaker 1: mother and my parents in a way that I never
Speaker 1: had and it's like that throughout the book. I am
Speaker 1: sure that is like, truly, you don't even know what
Speaker 1: it means to me. I mean, I have many things
Speaker 1: to say. I'm so touched. First of all, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's like my dream of all this. Here are some
Speaker 1: notes I was taking my mind while your one. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry to say if you say the way performance better, No,
Speaker 1: these are notes. These things I want to say. One,
Speaker 1: I just want to talk about throw cultures. I still
Speaker 1: cannot do them. Culture. It's why why is this still
Speaker 1: the technology we're using to find out if we have
Speaker 1: like the thing in the back of the wooden stick
Speaker 1: on my tongue. Honestly, it creates so much anxiety and
Speaker 1: stressing me. It's the worst. So poor young Matt Rogers
Speaker 1: for us still having to do this. Well, that's the
Speaker 1: first thing. Yeah. Secondly, well, and then I have something
Speaker 1: to say about your ear infection. Two in a very
Speaker 1: Jewish one way, I have thoughts for you about the plane.
Speaker 1: But that's why I just don't let me forget that,
Speaker 1: because it's important open to everything. Um. I mean. The
Speaker 1: other thing is, you know, just like in all the
Speaker 1: things you're taking off about, like thinking about your mom
Speaker 1: in the situation, and I've with Asher like going to doctor.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's better now because he's older, but those
Speaker 1: moments of holding them down for shots, them screaming, the
Speaker 1: like truly pleading, it's so heartbreaking and all of them, Yeah,
Speaker 1: doctor's judging me and I can't control my kid. But
Speaker 1: then the one other thing just to say is like,
Speaker 1: and again, I don't know your mom, but I'm sure
Speaker 1: she's a perfect person. She's a freaking perfect angel. Who
Speaker 1: have raised an angel such as yourself, angels raising angels,
Speaker 1: Like there's also like I mean the pieces where during
Speaker 1: and also because when kids are really little, you're going
Speaker 1: to the doctor like every week or at least like
Speaker 1: we were at the doctor all the time. But they're
Speaker 1: just the moments where I like, I just want to
Speaker 1: be doing something else, like you want to be having
Speaker 1: a drink. I want to know and like, you know,
Speaker 1: there was like the thing I talked about the book,
Speaker 1: like you don't ever leave behind, Like I'm still in
Speaker 1: shock that I'm a mom, Like I'm I mean, I
Speaker 1: love my kid and I'm like I do, but I
Speaker 1: alway I used to blow guys like that's who I am? Yeah,
Speaker 1: who I am as someone who blows guys, not someone
Speaker 1: who sits right, pulls down a kid to get a
Speaker 1: culture seeming at a baby trying to hold a baby down.
Speaker 1: I am out doing stand up, like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: yet something in my throat. I mean it was right there,
Speaker 1: It was right there, but it's so oh. The other
Speaker 1: thing is gonna say is I'm also just so sorry
Speaker 1: to like use the word potty with like to grow
Speaker 1: an adultmen, because I feel like it's such a disgusting
Speaker 1: and masculating word. And anytime I hear the word potty,
Speaker 1: I feel like everyone's like sex parts full off. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, just potty. No, But anyway, but
Speaker 1: that was that little thing is called a potty. But
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that it's even been raised this early in
Speaker 1: this No, No, it's actually perfect because I think you
Speaker 1: comment on the word horny at when point in the book,
Speaker 1: and you're like, why haven't we as a society come
Speaker 1: up with a better word than than horny, because because
Speaker 1: that feels very like juvenile. The potty, I think is
Speaker 1: a very latent word in terms of like this story,
Speaker 1: like if like when my like my sister potty trading
Speaker 1: her daughter like or just when my sister says, go
Speaker 1: potty to my niece in front of me, I go, wow,
Speaker 1: that tells me the story of like the journey that
Speaker 1: they've been on. Yeah, and I think I think that.
Speaker 1: I think the word potty. Once you get to like
Speaker 1: an adult age, you kind of there's an empathy there
Speaker 1: even if I even if even even though I don't
Speaker 1: have kids, I hear someone sat up here and say
Speaker 1: potty to their child, and I go, oh my god,
Speaker 1: like the the the insurmountable work that's been put into this,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well you are a true also a
Speaker 1: little empathetic angel for feeling that because I'm always just
Speaker 1: very uh it is, I mean, it is sort of
Speaker 1: it's crazy. It's kind of like like just once once
Speaker 1: I found myself doing that, like that chapter that is
Speaker 1: about like being sitting on the floor of like a
Speaker 1: Starbucks restroom. I truly think maybe this is where COVID
Speaker 1: actually started with somehow like some virus like lended it
Speaker 1: it up. We were Patient zero was just like the
Speaker 1: germ layers that were created by myself, like being not
Speaker 1: being while I cried or some tear fell from me
Speaker 1: onto like a man's fecal germ, and then startups and
Speaker 1: now we have covid um. Yeah, just those moments you're
Speaker 1: not only was I feeling very deeply sorry for myself,
Speaker 1: but I was just like, God, people have been doing
Speaker 1: this for ages, and I've never freaking thought about this one.
Speaker 1: That has to be the thing that you would never think.
Speaker 1: It's like when you think like, and we're gonna have children,
Speaker 1: probably something you don't even realize. It's like in the
Speaker 1: list is probably extremely long, and you do get into
Speaker 1: all of it. It seems like you do. Um, but
Speaker 1: like potty training a child can't be on the brain,
Speaker 1: can't be on the brain. No, it was just not
Speaker 1: even a thought. But it's also sort of like I
Speaker 1: feel like, like I remember as a very young person
Speaker 1: when I was like first looking for an apartment in
Speaker 1: New York, and I grew up in Europe, and so
Speaker 1: I knew, like, what what how hard it would be?
Speaker 1: Just like that feeling of once you're looking for real estate.
Speaker 1: H You're like, it's all you can think about, and
Speaker 1: it's all you can hear other people talking about for
Speaker 1: the rest of your life, for the rest of your life,
Speaker 1: and then you're like, how is it not like all
Speaker 1: anyone's talking about like all the time. But then that
Speaker 1: kind of got the planted by by potty training, and
Speaker 1: that was onto the next thing. I guess it's just
Speaker 1: as you go through each nightmarish stage of life, you're
Speaker 1: just like, isn't it Why hasn't everyone talking about this
Speaker 1: nightmarish stage of life? But I think that's like the
Speaker 1: way the way the book is structured is perfect, Okay,
Speaker 1: so for for for the readers are readers, um, it's
Speaker 1: this is so I think you set it up chapter
Speaker 1: It's like it's a Joseph Campbell hero's journey, but like
Speaker 1: what if the hero's journey is about not going somewhere else,
Speaker 1: which is what traditionally how they're traditionally frames, but you know,
Speaker 1: staying a mother and not running the other way. Um.
Speaker 1: And then the rest of the book is sort of
Speaker 1: like you kind of going through each part of that
Speaker 1: cycle um or the journey itself. And at one point
Speaker 1: you say, I think in then towards the middle of
Speaker 1: the book that like being a mom is like giving
Speaker 1: birth every day. There's there's something like that just that
Speaker 1: that's that like rupture is a part of your psyche
Speaker 1: that you that you never expected you before and honestly,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, I hope you don't mind me
Speaker 1: saying this, Like for for for a while, I was like,
Speaker 1: this is like unrelenting, like like like me reading this book,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, there's so much going on here. And
Speaker 1: then and then of course the last two essays are
Speaker 1: like so beautifully like rendered that like it all like
Speaker 1: makes it okay, and it all is like beautiful and
Speaker 1: wonderful and worthwhile, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: thank god, but you really had me at least like
Speaker 1: nail biting until you end being like is this woman
Speaker 1: going to be okay? She did? She going to show
Speaker 1: over this podcast? Is this like a weird podcast where
Speaker 1: it's like an am memoriam and like this is recorded
Speaker 1: today and we're going to put together some clips of
Speaker 1: other parents. It's just like a fresh air, like a retrospective, retrospective,
Speaker 1: right satisfy five minute clips from comedies. No, and yeah
Speaker 1: it is. I it is a little underlanding. But but
Speaker 1: then like, but the the point of the book is
Speaker 1: that you survived, and like the survival is like the
Speaker 1: is the journey and the survival is the beauty. And
Speaker 1: then and then not to spoil it, but like the
Speaker 1: last chapter you kind of describe this fantasy that you
Speaker 1: want to like ahead to where it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're older son, Asher's in his twenties and you guys
Speaker 1: meet up like Kathy Clooney and you guys catch up
Speaker 1: and he's telling you about his work and his life
Speaker 1: and who he's you know, dating, and this person that
Speaker 1: he loves. I loved that, and really it really made
Speaker 1: me feel like I want to be you know what
Speaker 1: I've actually tried. I've actually made an effort, but I
Speaker 1: I want to be more honest with my parents about
Speaker 1: what's going on in my life, like and I mean
Speaker 1: sometimes I know they listen to the podcast and get
Speaker 1: like a horrifying like a little clip of what's happening
Speaker 1: in my life, like whatever fucking sexual journey I'm on
Speaker 1: that I think that they are. But the thing is, like, um,
Speaker 1: I wonder it is that thing of like you negotiate
Speaker 1: how much you want to share with your parents. And
Speaker 1: then I said, in reading the final pages of the book,
Speaker 1: it was sort of very apparent to me. It's like
Speaker 1: I think that they would love to hear the specific
Speaker 1: things I'm going through because you even describe in the
Speaker 1: book like when you first sent an Astra to preschool,
Speaker 1: it's like looking out the window realizing he's spending you know,
Speaker 1: four and a half five hours away from you, and
Speaker 1: you're like, it's crazy. I don't know what's going on,
Speaker 1: no idea, what's going on. I remember there was first
Speaker 1: of all, I truly cannot. I'm just so sweet of
Speaker 1: you guys that you've read and remembered any specific Always
Speaker 1: read the book. Always read the book. I know you do.
Speaker 1: I know you do. But it doesn't make it a
Speaker 1: less sweet or awesome that you loved it. It's our
Speaker 1: pleasure to read anything you want. You know, I won't
Speaker 1: shut up. Jewish mom, Jewish all over. Um. There was
Speaker 1: that movie. I don't know if you ever sup it's
Speaker 1: one of my favorite movies. Uh, that Mike Mills movie
Speaker 1: twenty and Century Women. Oh my god, Nebending And there's
Speaker 1: just that moment and this was like when I think
Speaker 1: it came out, like when my son was very like
Speaker 1: a bait, like truly a baby, like a few months
Speaker 1: old or something. But there's a line that she says
Speaker 1: where she goes and Nebending as the mother and has
Speaker 1: her her son is like thirteen or fourteen is you know,
Speaker 1: being a boy out and his little skateboard and listening
Speaker 1: punk whatever. But she says, I'll never get to see
Speaker 1: what he's like in the world, never know what he's
Speaker 1: really like in the world. And it's like that notion
Speaker 1: that like I sort of no matter how close you
Speaker 1: are with your child and I think, you know it's
Speaker 1: my parents are you know, not who it's still alive,
Speaker 1: and I know it's that fascinating thing where it does
Speaker 1: just make you reconsider it all. But when I've heard
Speaker 1: that line in that movie and I was looking at
Speaker 1: my baby and I'm like, even if I'm very close
Speaker 1: with him and I do everything right and we maintain
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, maybe there's a world and boys
Speaker 1: still love their moms and her dead, you know, but
Speaker 1: loves death. But um, but like you'll never like that
Speaker 1: feeling of just like he's I'm not the way I
Speaker 1: am with my friends, with my parents maybe a little
Speaker 1: bit sometimes, and they're pretty you know, chill, liberal human beings.
Speaker 1: It's not like I'm massively purposely needing to hide something
Speaker 1: from them. But when you realize like that, it's like
Speaker 1: this person has come out of you, and then one
Speaker 1: day they'll just really have this whole side that you'll
Speaker 1: never really get to know it. Actually, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think like your parents listening to this podcasts lose
Speaker 1: their minds in the best way, I think. And you know,
Speaker 1: you know what's interesting, It's like that's another thing is
Speaker 1: you can never really prepare for what your kid is
Speaker 1: going to become. And I think that some of the
Speaker 1: some of the really interesting moments are when I realized
Speaker 1: that I was an adult with my parents, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: It's ever like got to a place where and I remember, well,
Speaker 1: this might be an overshare, but like there was like
Speaker 1: a period of time, there was like a period of
Speaker 1: time several years ago where I feel like I was
Speaker 1: explaining things about my perspective to my father and there
Speaker 1: were hard conversations. I mean, we had like one time
Speaker 1: a blowout in a beer authority on remember that night.
Speaker 1: I remember that, I think because I called you crying
Speaker 1: because we had had a blowout fight because I was
Speaker 1: explaining why I was supporting Bernie Sanders and it was
Speaker 1: just such a funny and what I said was what
Speaker 1: I said that really took him out of the restaurant
Speaker 1: down the street and we didn't speak for two days.
Speaker 1: Was that I explained to him that he may need
Speaker 1: to and and probably inelegantly I said this, but check
Speaker 1: his privilege on something, because he is an older, straight
Speaker 1: white man who whatever that. And that was like, this
Speaker 1: was sixteen when people did not This was not just
Speaker 1: the vernacular, you know what I mean. This was still
Speaker 1: like something that was becoming for for you know, people
Speaker 1: of that generation, like part of something they could accept
Speaker 1: hearing about themselves despite the fact that you know, everyone
Speaker 1: has privilege, etcetera. As we know, and it's about checking
Speaker 1: all of our own individual privileges in order to get
Speaker 1: to understanding. But he only heard me me saying like
Speaker 1: he was out of touch and didn't have a social
Speaker 1: conscience and whatever. And I think that two days later,
Speaker 1: when we had a conversation, I told him, I was like, Dad,
Speaker 1: I want to apologize for us getting into a conversation
Speaker 1: where both of us got upset. I never want to
Speaker 1: see you hurt, but I will not take back what
Speaker 1: I said because because I I genuinely feel that's something
Speaker 1: we all need to do. And maybe I could have
Speaker 1: gone about saying it better. But his response to me
Speaker 1: was interesting because I could tell that he had considered
Speaker 1: what I said, and maybe it had, um you know,
Speaker 1: illuminated him, not just to that topic, but to that
Speaker 1: maybe I was someone who could also engage with him
Speaker 1: about new ideas and things, which has to be kind
Speaker 1: of crazy when you gave birth to and reared that child.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that you and I know Bowen has
Speaker 1: this with his parents as well. Yeah, I want to.
Speaker 1: I'm so fascinated to hear. Like, are you guys close
Speaker 1: with your parents? I am? I mean, we're on good terms.
Speaker 1: I I I could do better about like reaching out
Speaker 1: to them. I did call them yesterday, um while I
Speaker 1: was reading your book, just to be like I should.
Speaker 1: I mean it did. Like well, I feel like I
Speaker 1: think Matt and I have been in a lot of
Speaker 1: like parent content recently. Like we like we we we
Speaker 1: we like saw everything everywhere all at once, absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1: And I told my parents about it too, because I
Speaker 1: think that they I think that they'll like, really really
Speaker 1: enjoy I think almost for that reason too, But you know,
Speaker 1: I I I identify as being close with my parents,
Speaker 1: but it still is that thing where my dad did
Speaker 1: send me a text and he was like, I really
Speaker 1: want your mom to come out and see you soon,
Speaker 1: and I was like trying to find a time in
Speaker 1: my schedule that would be good, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: it's crazy to have to do this for your mother,
Speaker 1: like drop everything, you know what I mean. And then
Speaker 1: in reading the book, just like hearing the blood, sweat
Speaker 1: and tears that goes into motherhood, I'm just like it really,
Speaker 1: it's not It doesn't put you as a child in
Speaker 1: a state of guilt, but it puts you and it
Speaker 1: gives you like a real understanding of the fact that
Speaker 1: like this person like survived so you could live, so
Speaker 1: you could You just want to stop and say, I'm
Speaker 1: so impressed that your dad is sending texts. I think
Speaker 1: that's oh wow, Yeah, I know my dad. Well, my
Speaker 1: dad's pretty old, he's eighty one or eighty two now,
Speaker 1: but yeah, and my mom is I taught my mom
Speaker 1: had to send text she can do, my dad doesn't.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was cell phone anyway. So I'm impressed.
Speaker 1: But you guys are as a younger and younger parents,
Speaker 1: we can I say the the ear infection thing that
Speaker 1: because this is important if you're getting on that, I
Speaker 1: feel like, actually, I think when I was promoting my
Speaker 1: last one, I had to fly and I had a
Speaker 1: terrible cold. I didn't have an ear infection, but I
Speaker 1: was like very congested. And but I was like, I
Speaker 1: flow with the cold before. It's no big deal, Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to scare you. Then as we were started
Speaker 1: to what to send not decline, I started to decline.
Speaker 1: I did you the client as you just said. I
Speaker 1: for the first time in life, I felt like a
Speaker 1: pain in my ear, like someone was done on like ending,
Speaker 1: like a screw driver was playing in my ear, and
Speaker 1: I I honestly started a panic that like my brain
Speaker 1: might explode. I was like, I had a terrible mistake.
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to fly with like this level of
Speaker 1: a scientist whatever I had, And and then I was
Speaker 1: in pain for hours after. And it's crazy because I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to see Pat Mannerson in Chicago right after I
Speaker 1: get off the plane. So I gotta I gotta figure
Speaker 1: this out. This is what my doctor told me to do.
Speaker 1: And I did it on the way back, and it
Speaker 1: helped take an incredibly strong, decongested like an hour before,
Speaker 1: like an advil Colton Scinus, the one they keep behind
Speaker 1: the register because people can make mesop the one you need,
Speaker 1: like your passport to yeah, the one you need, you
Speaker 1: need your new yeah, your new drivers, like exactly. But anyway,
Speaker 1: I just didn't want to let you go without telling
Speaker 1: you that. I think that's what you need to do
Speaker 1: because I want you to have a great time and
Speaker 1: watch what live and I'm so excited really ing on,
Speaker 1: I mean listen and that is and that you can't
Speaker 1: stop parenting. I don't know you're thinking me as your baby, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean not as much as the baby as you know,
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lewis calling calling all of us babies, which made
Speaker 1: me so I'm goridably happy. But the babies? Did you
Speaker 1: know that my nickname? For a second, I didn't know
Speaker 1: she knew my name because I was all exclusively referred
Speaker 1: to as the baby. We on my coverage at the baby,
Speaker 1: and where is the baby coming in? The baby? The
Speaker 1: baby standing over here? The baby. You were the baby
Speaker 1: pretty much the whole time. But like also eightens the baby,
Speaker 1: but she most of her scenes were with you, so yeah,
Speaker 1: it was calling you. The baby is socreribly sweet? Love
Speaker 1: that sweet? That's nice. Even even in his thirties, still
Speaker 1: you know I got that baby face though it's it's
Speaker 1: actually a real culture number fifteen. You could be a
Speaker 1: baby in the thirties, fully believe. I'm on set endors
Speaker 1: um speaking of uh are you excited for it to
Speaker 1: come out? Oh my god, talk about it. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about it. I was just on like an hour long
Speaker 1: marketing meeting where like it's so crazy. Um. I also
Speaker 1: just need to say the world it's gonna lose their
Speaker 1: freaking mind seeing Matt Rogers in this show. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: everyone is amazing, but I'm just gonna say Matt, I truly,
Speaker 1: I'm not blowing smoke. I very easily could have dodged
Speaker 1: out of this, but I'm so happy to say, like,
Speaker 1: I just you're just like like, well, I wanted to
Speaker 1: I was about to say a word and that I
Speaker 1: realized it makes me sound like like a New York
Speaker 1: Times critic. But you're in from within, lit from within.
Speaker 1: I remember I once. I remember when Claire Danes first
Speaker 1: came on the scene, like I was like still reading
Speaker 1: like from your magazine, and so I was talking about
Speaker 1: her in my so called life and she's lit from
Speaker 1: within with There's nothing better you could say about from
Speaker 1: from But honestly, you know, when someone whenever I say
Speaker 1: someone carries the light, that's the highest, highest, the highest
Speaker 1: compliment I can give. But I mean, I just I
Speaker 1: can't stop talking about it. But like, um, you guys
Speaker 1: did such an incredible job writing the show, and um,
Speaker 1: you know obviously it came together really great. But I
Speaker 1: just I you're you're very very very very good at
Speaker 1: what you do, both on the page and on the laptop,
Speaker 1: which becomes a teleplay tellio play, which is a page
Speaker 1: which is on a page on a screen. Yeah, on
Speaker 1: a pause. I Um, that's so amazed to hear. I am.
Speaker 1: I still feel like, just in the rule of culture
Speaker 1: that you can still be a baby in your thirties
Speaker 1: and my forties, still feel like, don't look like a baby,
Speaker 1: feeling a baby, but you have you running the show.
Speaker 1: I don't. I have to say. I think, um, you
Speaker 1: know a lot during during production about like you know,
Speaker 1: you are kind of the production mom some degree, you know,
Speaker 1: mom boss or whatever, and and I mean I love
Speaker 1: doing this show, and um, I mean everyone made it
Speaker 1: such a pleasure and the cruise, the love like it
Speaker 1: was just a sweepy group of humans. And then how
Speaker 1: lucky am I to be working with just this cast
Speaker 1: of people. And there are just so many days though
Speaker 1: where I just still feel a real emotional disconnect with
Speaker 1: like I can't believe, like you know, I'm like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that is It is a crazy feeling like what because
Speaker 1: because you've earned it, but but convincing yourself you've earned
Speaker 1: it is crazy. Well, it's less honestly even the well
Speaker 1: I mean obviously don't believe I've earned anything, but the
Speaker 1: earning aside. Also as I'm like looking at like half
Speaker 1: my Jill was really on appealing nail situation just started
Speaker 1: ap peeling them off. But I remember the first uh
Speaker 1: like the first two weeks when I was doing in
Speaker 1: sending Amy Schumer with Amy and are amazing work. Husband
Speaker 1: Dan Powell was the other EP and that show. It
Speaker 1: was the first time and I wasn't the show unner
Speaker 1: of the show. Dan was the show owner, but I
Speaker 1: was the head writer and another EP. So it was
Speaker 1: like me and Amy and Dan were in charge of
Speaker 1: the show and I had never been in charge of
Speaker 1: the show before. And there was some moment where, like
Speaker 1: some like a network, a question came up but like
Speaker 1: had to be answered or solved, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: we should figure out. And then it was like where's
Speaker 1: mom where's mommy and daddy? And then we were all
Speaker 1: like where mommy and daddy? And that was like where
Speaker 1: the fucking mommy and daddy? And it was a really
Speaker 1: really surreal moment. And the parallels not to whatever, but
Speaker 1: like the parallels with parenthood are pretty intense where you're
Speaker 1: just like I never Maybe I don't know if everyone
Speaker 1: feels this way. I think I maybe I'm just very
Speaker 1: in touch with my inner little baby who doesn't know anything,
Speaker 1: but I it's just always a strange feeling. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys, I mean I would imagine you
Speaker 1: guys both feel that or maybe you maybe you don't,
Speaker 1: but sometimes feeling like you're both just such high achievers
Speaker 1: and doing such incredible things that just those moments where
Speaker 1: you're like just a version of I can't believe I'm
Speaker 1: here and then I'm supposed to know what I'm doing. Well,
Speaker 1: like parenting, um, I feel like it's old self versus
Speaker 1: new self, and like the reconciliation feels so crazy, like
Speaker 1: you're like, but those are the same people, Like I'm
Speaker 1: I'm like work mommy, but I was never but I
Speaker 1: was baby before. Yeah. Or I'm mommy, but I was
Speaker 1: baby before. Yeah. It's a version of like I'm an adult,
Speaker 1: Like there's being an adult, and then I guess being
Speaker 1: a parent is like sort of super adult. But really
Speaker 1: it's all just like truly in any capacity, even before
Speaker 1: I became apparent, any moment, any time I have to
Speaker 1: fill out a form, I feel like what am I doing?
Speaker 1: How am I filling out of form? But like anytime
Speaker 1: dealing with any kind of insurance, like this isn't for me. Yep,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. I think I'm the most baby about too,
Speaker 1: and I just want to change insurance forget it. No,
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you, guys, what are you? What
Speaker 1: are you the most baby about in your life? Because
Speaker 1: I'm identifying with that. I just had to switch my
Speaker 1: insurance from w g A to SAG and it was
Speaker 1: like learning to walk. I can't do it. I all
Speaker 1: that little tasks. Um, I would say, it's insure. I mean,
Speaker 1: I have my like new insurance car just on my table.
Speaker 1: I'm so scared to touch it. I don't. I can't
Speaker 1: even touch it, like it's like electric or something. And
Speaker 1: then I just wanted to say that, Like, it's so
Speaker 1: interesting hearing you say this, and it's refreshing because I
Speaker 1: think at least people in our circles have like really
Speaker 1: like pooh pooed on like the term adult ing or
Speaker 1: the discourse around hat adulting. It's a terrible word. It's terrible,
Speaker 1: it's so reductive, but it does like it is like
Speaker 1: an index. It's a name for something that, like, I
Speaker 1: think that is very normal for people our age to
Speaker 1: feel we're in terms of like, oh okay, Like I
Speaker 1: I have to like acclimate myself to like this new reality,
Speaker 1: which like is a very like complex thing, and of
Speaker 1: course it's stupid to produce it to a word like adulting.
Speaker 1: But I feel like people, I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you, if you guys feel this way, but
Speaker 1: I feel like people are afraid to talk about their
Speaker 1: adulting moments because the term has so much bad has
Speaker 1: so much like bad energy around it. Yeah, no, I
Speaker 1: know totally. Well, I feel like it's sort of like
Speaker 1: what I was saying before. I can't believe people aren't
Speaker 1: talking about it more. But it feels like when you
Speaker 1: open the door to talking about it, people are so
Speaker 1: relieved to talk about it because I'm like and again,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm forty six, I really still I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: exceptionally bad at all of those things, like like anything, money, bank, insurance,
Speaker 1: credit cards, like I just um and I was I
Speaker 1: can give myself, like I guess a tiny bit of grace,
Speaker 1: although I think it's expired now because I I never
Speaker 1: was really taught how to do those things for did
Speaker 1: not do what it needed to do. I'm sorry the
Speaker 1: way that they taught going to New York City school,
Speaker 1: we didn't have home mac. At the Long Island Public
Speaker 1: school I went to, we had we had to take
Speaker 1: home mac and I don't know what, but what did
Speaker 1: you take home mac? I did not take it. So
Speaker 1: you think that as a result of me taking home mac,
Speaker 1: I would know for sure by the time I got
Speaker 1: to college how to do like laundry. Positive that by
Speaker 1: the time I had my own apart and I had
Speaker 1: boiled pasta for certain, you would think I knew the
Speaker 1: difference between a credit card and a debit card, because
Speaker 1: because it's such a simple difference, the answer is no,
Speaker 1: me tell you had a cross stitch and he and
Speaker 1: and and like maybe that's it. Matt do your school
Speaker 1: have like the robot baby basically like they would give
Speaker 1: you the baby. Yeah, the baby, which by the way,
Speaker 1: has none of the complexities of a real baby. Okay,
Speaker 1: the baby don't the babies don't get like, you know,
Speaker 1: colocky for no reason. The baby there's always an you
Speaker 1: know what we're talking about? Wait? Is this I wanted
Speaker 1: to be really sad? Is this the version? Because is
Speaker 1: this where you were like trying You're taught how to
Speaker 1: take care of something and had to take yes, and
Speaker 1: then they gave you a baby that was like basically
Speaker 1: like it had like a random timer on, like they
Speaker 1: would program this like doll basically to like cry at
Speaker 1: insane hours. Wait. Can I just blow your mind? I'm
Speaker 1: so starting interrupt? This is such This is such a
Speaker 1: like I'm more than ten years old. When I was
Speaker 1: a kid, this we all had to do this, but
Speaker 1: we were given a fucking egg, an egg. It was
Speaker 1: just an egg. It wasn't a robot doll. It was like,
Speaker 1: here's this egg, and don't break the egg. For like
Speaker 1: two weeks. We broke the egg, I mean, and then
Speaker 1: it's such a place it with another egg. What are
Speaker 1: we doing? They gave us a full on baby. And
Speaker 1: the thing is, like the baby would they only gave
Speaker 1: it to home people. They only gave it to home
Speaker 1: people at my school. So we had the baby. I
Speaker 1: remember I took up, but you get the baby for
Speaker 1: like twenty four hours, because I think that they were
Speaker 1: dealing with parents that were like, don't give my kid
Speaker 1: this baby, you know what I mean, Like, I understand
Speaker 1: he needs to learn about making choices, but I made
Speaker 1: my choices, thank you very much. And I had my
Speaker 1: child when I was damn good and ready and I
Speaker 1: don't need this strange robot baby coming in and absolutely
Speaker 1: screaming on a timer like the baby's getting tossed. So
Speaker 1: so basically, yes, every five six hours, the baby needs
Speaker 1: to eat and then it goes to bed and then
Speaker 1: maybe it makes up wakes up once, but it's not
Speaker 1: a baby, and so careful carries none of the danger
Speaker 1: of real baby, and you're never going to invest in
Speaker 1: that baby. Steaks couldn't be lower, go off, Like what
Speaker 1: do you used to put the bottle in its mouth?
Speaker 1: It was like a battery bottle. So it's like registering
Speaker 1: whether you took care of it or not. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you didn't have to go and buy a new formula
Speaker 1: you don't have you certainly, I'm sorry. But the car
Speaker 1: seat thing. In the book, Jesse goes into the mechanics
Speaker 1: of putting a car seat, and it's it's one of
Speaker 1: those things like potty training, where you can't possibly be
Speaker 1: thinking about it when you're deciding to have a child,
Speaker 1: but the car seat may scare one away. The car seat,
Speaker 1: I will say, um. And again this is where like
Speaker 1: I I felt a little bit like am I just
Speaker 1: such a fucking terrible piece of ship human being that
Speaker 1: I I'd like hate this so much, and like so
Speaker 1: many days chose to stay at home rather than to
Speaker 1: try to put my kid in the curR seat because
Speaker 1: there were just so many days were like many versions
Speaker 1: of him hating it, many versions of me hating it,
Speaker 1: like him hysterically crying, Like to drive a car while
Speaker 1: a human being is just screaming behind you, Um is
Speaker 1: so nerve racking. It's it's like very little is worth it.
Speaker 1: Because also when you're taking kids somewhere, I'm like, what
Speaker 1: are we going to miss out on the rubber room?
Speaker 1: And we're going to let's stay at home and let's
Speaker 1: like a drink here. But um, and I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: drink obviously. Of course, our producer Becca says, I had
Speaker 1: to do the fake baby in middle school and I
Speaker 1: got stairs in marshals because people thought I was actually
Speaker 1: a teen mom, which is also something you're inviting because
Speaker 1: a lot of the after school hit up the marshalls
Speaker 1: like you do, and they have to bring their damn
Speaker 1: fake baby with them, and then you know, and like
Speaker 1: mother's everywhere. They they're just they're looking at that team
Speaker 1: child and they're thinking who's her mother, and then it
Speaker 1: goes back to your mother. Mix messages. Don't send mixed messages.
Speaker 1: We want these kids to not being babies. Don't like,
Speaker 1: don't give a bait. It's like you should not be
Speaker 1: taking I mean, is that I guess the point. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's just being good at it or bad
Speaker 1: at it. If everyone everyone in school was like we
Speaker 1: decided we loved it. Yeah, you know what I'm gonna get.
Speaker 1: I have one. I was just remembering there was one
Speaker 1: just in the world of like other sorry adult thing.
Speaker 1: A truly embarrassing memory just came back to me of
Speaker 1: being in college, like my first few months in college,
Speaker 1: and my dad had like opened like a checking account
Speaker 1: for me to have because I was now an adult
Speaker 1: and I was going to have a job at the
Speaker 1: school to pay for my two and I was my
Speaker 1: was a shelver in our library, and so my check
Speaker 1: I gotta check every two weeks or truly, it was
Speaker 1: probably about like four dollars. But I was like, I've
Speaker 1: got to go my check I got. But so I
Speaker 1: got this little check and I was so stupid and
Speaker 1: didn't know anything about anything. I took the check and
Speaker 1: I just was like, I have a bank account and
Speaker 1: this is a check. And there was one bank off
Speaker 1: campus and I just walked into it and I was like,
Speaker 1: here's my check, and they were like, who are you?
Speaker 1: I have an account, don't I. And then they're like,
Speaker 1: you don't have an account here, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's just there's I am here from my father's bank.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't I didn't know. I just they were like,
Speaker 1: you don't have an account at this bank. There's different banks.
Speaker 1: I was just so like truly just get taken back
Speaker 1: to how embarrassed, Like the person is like, you're so stupid, stupid,
Speaker 1: and I just you know, but I really do feel
Speaker 1: like I mean I still feel this stuff all the
Speaker 1: time I am doing it. I don't know, though, Like
Speaker 1: I think, I like that You're very honest in the
Speaker 1: book about how like you know human beings, Like I
Speaker 1: think I think you were talking about like Umi, there
Speaker 1: was like the like Underbirarse Sandwich, there was something about
Speaker 1: like you know, like human beings are like evolved to
Speaker 1: raise children. Um in a village like have like everyone's
Speaker 1: supposed to hand down this knowledge to you, and like
Speaker 1: I mean with with the Czech situation, like no one
Speaker 1: handed down the knowledge to you that you're supposed to
Speaker 1: like go to your branch of a of a specific thing.
Speaker 1: But um, I like that. I like that. I like
Speaker 1: that there's some something so like concrete about like yes,
Speaker 1: like it makes total sense to have other people helping
Speaker 1: you raise your child, and like I feel like child
Speaker 1: care is I think about for some reason, I think
Speaker 1: about my nieces going to daycare, and I think about
Speaker 1: the people working in that daycare, and I start to
Speaker 1: cry and like they have the hardest fucking jobs in
Speaker 1: the world and doing any of those Wait, how old
Speaker 1: are your nieces? Um? They just turned four and two.
Speaker 1: They're gorgeous and stunning and I think it gonna be
Speaker 1: like they might become nightmare models because they're so beautiful
Speaker 1: that that that like you almost can't be that beautiful
Speaker 1: without having at least monstrous tendencies. But they have the
Speaker 1: best parents and that's good. But it may not matter
Speaker 1: when you're that stunned. We'll see. But um, it's but
Speaker 1: they also have their incredible uncle who will ground them.
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. No bone is going to
Speaker 1: be buying them. And I this is this is this
Speaker 1: is something that like my sister is like so like
Speaker 1: adamant about, like she doesn't want to hire her help.
Speaker 1: And I respect that to an extent. And I'm putting
Speaker 1: my sister in blash. She listens to the podcast. She
Speaker 1: knows I'm saying that talk to you. I'm happy to
Speaker 1: talk to your sister. That's a great please, because Yang,
Speaker 1: I love you so much. And we've talked about this
Speaker 1: and this might be like not cool to like make
Speaker 1: this public, but she she doesn't want help. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have a lot to say and and and that's a
Speaker 1: hap today and that's and that's so like that's amazing. Um,
Speaker 1: But I think she has this connection to like the
Speaker 1: way our mother raised us, which was no help. She
Speaker 1: was working these insane jobs to support us, didn't speak
Speaker 1: the language that well when she was raising us. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, my mom is just an incredible mother. Umfct
Speaker 1: angel two perfect angels. And I know, and I know
Speaker 1: that this is coming from a place of her wanting
Speaker 1: to honor what our mother did. But I think in
Speaker 1: the ye it's just like it's crazy, it's crazy. So
Speaker 1: my mom, you know, I have two siblings, there's three kids.
Speaker 1: My mom also had no help. There was never any help.
Speaker 1: My dad worked too, sometimes three jobs. My mom worked
Speaker 1: a little bit for a while. I wasn't working when
Speaker 1: we were very young, just because there was no help.
Speaker 1: So you someone has to legally be home. And then
Speaker 1: she was a teacher, so she would go teach, she
Speaker 1: was teaching at our school and then would come home.
Speaker 1: We were shitty little kids. We didn't help her at all.
Speaker 1: We're a little fucking But the same thing that they
Speaker 1: never had any help. I think my parents had like
Speaker 1: one babysitter come one time, and truly like a decade,
Speaker 1: just nothing. So I under and I when I was
Speaker 1: going to have a baby, I was like, well I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna have help, But I'm gonna get this cross
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna nail myself to it. I'm going to
Speaker 1: sucking honor what my parents earns did, honor what my
Speaker 1: mom did. And then real quick it was like, fuck
Speaker 1: that noise. And it's a huge privilege. She would be
Speaker 1: able to have help and my parents didn't have the privilege.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they would have had help, whether
Speaker 1: or not they did, but it wasn't a play. And
Speaker 1: it's so much privilege to have that option. But if
Speaker 1: you have the option, I will just say I can't
Speaker 1: emphasize enough how much she should take it, just because
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember who was who said this to me.
Speaker 1: But it's like, what are you trying to win? There's
Speaker 1: no it's not winning anything. It's not it's not taking
Speaker 1: away anything. It's not like giving anyone a metal. It's
Speaker 1: just we are meant to We are truly meant to
Speaker 1: have more help than we have. And that was an
Speaker 1: interesting part of the book, I think, which contextualized this
Speaker 1: a little bit which I thought was so interesting, which
Speaker 1: is that the doctor that you spoke to or Tony
Speaker 1: Song be my O B g end to your doctor
Speaker 1: in New York. Yes, she I mean, this was advice
Speaker 1: was like so clear to me once I read, but
Speaker 1: it was, you know, we were designed our bodies, or
Speaker 1: at least the woman's body was designed to like bear
Speaker 1: children at like fifteen years old, you know, as a
Speaker 1: result of just how we've evolved. And back then there
Speaker 1: would be more help because there were you know, villages
Speaker 1: of people and there were literally parents that were still
Speaker 1: young enough to you know, participate in the rearing of
Speaker 1: a child. And now our society is just simply not
Speaker 1: set up for that. And so to say I'm not
Speaker 1: going to have help is actually sort of against naturally
Speaker 1: what we we are descended from. Gilmour girls. Everyone's supposed
Speaker 1: to be Gilmo girls. It was always supposed to be
Speaker 1: like year fourteen and your mom's like best, it's actually
Speaker 1: we are decided from. It would be like Gilbert girls
Speaker 1: would be in the house living with like ten other
Speaker 1: p ten other Gilmore girls. Yeah, it would be like
Speaker 1: it was Gilmore girls all your great grandmother would be
Speaker 1: like fifty six capable, capable people all over the place.
Speaker 1: I was what's called geriatric mother because I was pregnant
Speaker 1: when I was thirty nine, and I think like starting
Speaker 1: at thirty eight year like a geriatric pregnant series anyway, medicine.
Speaker 1: But I my parents and my parents, you know, I
Speaker 1: have an older brother who sters anyway, my parents were old,
Speaker 1: like I was old, and so they were old and
Speaker 1: they were nearby, but like they weren't going to be
Speaker 1: able to really help, you know what I mean. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the thing. It's just we are we are this
Speaker 1: idea of like this nuclear family where like, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: how you're supposed to do on your own. Is really
Speaker 1: it's really fun. I just want to disclaim to my
Speaker 1: sister that this is not We're not being prescriptive necessarily,
Speaker 1: this is just I would never dare tell her how
Speaker 1: to parent a child, especially being a fucking childless homosexual. Um.
Speaker 1: But like I just me and me and my brother
Speaker 1: in law gry on this that like help would be
Speaker 1: because he's a course of personality he is he is.
Speaker 1: But I think I think my I think my mom
Speaker 1: also kind of agrees to that, like anyway, we're not
Speaker 1: we're not we're not We're not like pressuring her into
Speaker 1: doing this. I just think and and she is, like
Speaker 1: and she's going through huge positive changes in her life
Speaker 1: right now in terms of her career and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: and she's gonna have time to really pursue things that
Speaker 1: she wants to do um going forward, which I'm so
Speaker 1: happy for her about UM. But I think even then,
Speaker 1: like give yourself some latitude, like I don't know, like
Speaker 1: cater to your own needs. While she, of course is
Speaker 1: the best mom in the world to these girls anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you it will be because of her. If
Speaker 1: they're not nightmare models because of how gorgeous they simply are.
Speaker 1: I mean, like I see pictures of them and I
Speaker 1: sort of have to take another breath. Wow, that's kind
Speaker 1: of extra breath. Like I'm glad you said that, because
Speaker 1: the number one thing to me is also and I
Speaker 1: know I came in really hot about getting help and no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: but it is really important that like the most important
Speaker 1: thing to me is like to each their own and
Speaker 1: like everyone needs to like find their path, and like
Speaker 1: no judgments about like mothers who are staying at home
Speaker 1: without help, no judgments about no judgments. But all I
Speaker 1: will say if anyone I do think there are a
Speaker 1: lot of mothers and if anyone's listening, if one of
Speaker 1: them is your sister, maybe and miss it your sister.
Speaker 1: But if there's like a little I do feel like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of mothers who would deep down with
Speaker 1: like some help but feel guilty about And in those situations,
Speaker 1: I just think people should permit, permit. I understand the guilt,
Speaker 1: but permit permit anyway. We would desire to ask you
Speaker 1: the question, wouldn't you say about I would say so,
Speaker 1: I would say so, question is that? Jesse? We want
Speaker 1: to ask you what is the culture that made you
Speaker 1: say a culture? Is? For me to understand the question,
Speaker 1: I mean, well, I have a couple. How should I
Speaker 1: lean into the answer that we were talking about? Hard
Speaker 1: and raw protection, no mask, no mask. I love this.
Speaker 1: I love the chapter in your first book. Uh it
Speaker 1: was about how you became a comedian, and I think
Speaker 1: like it was like kind of sectioned off. It was
Speaker 1: like first it was like John Rivers or was bad Marks.
Speaker 1: It was like like it could be that, and I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not describing you know. I feel so absolutely
Speaker 1: just like swimming and whatever it could be. It could be,
Speaker 1: it could be anything. I mean, for some reason I
Speaker 1: had in my mind to talk about like um dirty
Speaker 1: seeing the movie Dirty Dancing. I feel like just as
Speaker 1: like a little little jewish, young nerdy, flat chested, original
Speaker 1: little hole living living in just vergeoning around my little self.
Speaker 1: Like that movie did loom extremely large when I first
Speaker 1: saw it, and it was not in the theater because
Speaker 1: I wasn't cool enough to have friends to go to
Speaker 1: the theater with. But we did, I think, like after
Speaker 1: I don't know, saw it on VHS, so what I
Speaker 1: finally did make friends. So it was about like twall around.
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I can't remember, but I just remember
Speaker 1: I was like it alot and unlocked a lot and
Speaker 1: unlocked a lot. I was like, oh, like they're here's
Speaker 1: a movie that's like not about like the Blonde other
Speaker 1: human Like it was just like the p O V.
Speaker 1: Is this girl with like a big fucking greatness and
Speaker 1: her little kids walking across the lot. She's gonna like
Speaker 1: be in the cat skills and it's gonna get like
Speaker 1: reamed by Patrick's picked up and tossed around. I mean
Speaker 1: when those reels, I mean, I know we've all seen
Speaker 1: them probably a million times, but like rehearsal, the rehearsal
Speaker 1: sessions for dirty Dancing, that like start to go around
Speaker 1: where you like see them like see Jennifer Grahan Patrick
Speaker 1: Swayzey like pry to sing and like she'saying her like
Speaker 1: lead was just like a snake's giving you like. But
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, like, first of all, it was
Speaker 1: like one of the first times I felt like just
Speaker 1: truly a hundred percent of horny because like and just
Speaker 1: like I think a little bit yeah, just like the
Speaker 1: po V A bit. I was like, and it was
Speaker 1: such a huge movie. I don't know. I just was like,
Speaker 1: maybe I could be a little horny and show girl
Speaker 1: chewing around with Patrick Swazy and like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It just was like maybe there's hope for me story wise,
Speaker 1: sex wise, yes, absolutely, And there is something too as well.
Speaker 1: This this sound well to it, you know. It's like
Speaker 1: that like like deep Man's voice just being like I'm
Speaker 1: coming to funk, you know what I mean. And then
Speaker 1: the response of and I'm just like, yeah, you got fucked.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying there's something about that song to me?
Speaker 1: Is is there an Oscar winner? I know it was nominated.
Speaker 1: I feel certain it's not. Actually it won the Academy
Speaker 1: Award for Best Original Song, and yes, that's original song.
Speaker 1: But I would also say some other notes that still
Speaker 1: like ring on full horn for me. And I'm sorry
Speaker 1: to say it, but like the moment just like do
Speaker 1: because that's what's playing when he reems around that food,
Speaker 1: don't you feel like cray like and she's like, I'm
Speaker 1: murray that I'll never feel that right feeling Right now,
Speaker 1: I'm doing like a truly terrible one woman show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all of that stuff that was just like very very
Speaker 1: very porny making sounds my voice just like act like
Speaker 1: you went from virgin how not for many years later,
Speaker 1: not told many years later, but you had that the
Speaker 1: fire was lit from within. The fire was lit, and
Speaker 1: I mean I think it was a fire. It was
Speaker 1: a figer that probably got lit by Dennis Quaid in
Speaker 1: the Big Easy. If that is something you guys have
Speaker 1: ever seen, If you haven't high recommend, I recommend, I'll
Speaker 1: put that one on the list. Dennis Quaid, there was
Speaker 1: a there was a period of time there were Yeah,
Speaker 1: he really sexually worked for me, Dad. I mean that's
Speaker 1: what Dad is. Yeah, you know what I mean. I know,
Speaker 1: I mean I've always liked like a very big nose
Speaker 1: and like he had like such a gigantic nose, and
Speaker 1: you know what they say anyway, huge, So everyone everyone
Speaker 1: at home, the readers, what they say is that if
Speaker 1: you have a big nose, you got a big cock.
Speaker 1: Huge cock. I had my little t tween age teenage
Speaker 1: girl wall was like covered in like pictures, like cut
Speaker 1: out of magazines of like Dennis Quaid. It was like
Speaker 1: Dennis Quaid and Harrasson Ford. Yeah, guys who could swing
Speaker 1: an acid. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Anyway, so that was big.
Speaker 1: I'm mourned for these children who who don't have the
Speaker 1: collage on the wall, not that I ever did, but
Speaker 1: like it's people, no one has a collage on the
Speaker 1: wall anymore. I don't think a lot of them do.
Speaker 1: I think they have corkboards and ship where they like.
Speaker 1: But there's nothing like the aesthetic of cutting out a page,
Speaker 1: cutting around a celebrity and just scotch taping it to
Speaker 1: your wall directly is like unbeatable. Yeah, I mean that's
Speaker 1: a really I will say welcome. Yeah, because there's no
Speaker 1: magazines anymore. But I had got all these magazines and
Speaker 1: I just I mean just a picture like I mean
Speaker 1: talking about thinking about your parents po V now in
Speaker 1: a way that like you didn't like I was just
Speaker 1: in my very We also were in a very small
Speaker 1: apartment because of New York City, so it's not like
Speaker 1: there was any privacy or like they would have not
Speaker 1: known what was going on in my room, but like
Speaker 1: to just see their little nerdling slowly putting up this
Speaker 1: like one by one, like I said, to just slowly
Speaker 1: realize that she's just making she's making also and being
Speaker 1: this age, and like remembering vividly how horny you were
Speaker 1: at that age, like now thinking that we ever felt
Speaker 1: we could get it past them, Like it's unbelievable how
Speaker 1: horny children are, and what it must be to watch
Speaker 1: that happen under your own roof. It's under your own roof,
Speaker 1: and just yeah, and I also said it was just
Speaker 1: like happening in slow motion like every day, like just
Speaker 1: another man. And they're like then they get to assess
Speaker 1: your taste. They're assessing my taste. They're like seeing and
Speaker 1: I really can't stress and like how awkward I was.
Speaker 1: So it's not like clearly are like sort of like
Speaker 1: blossoming young about her. It's like still just sort of
Speaker 1: looked like I can't even I mean, just so many
Speaker 1: braces and glasses, but then like pulsing incentiality, wanting to
Speaker 1: get boned by these men, and then and my parents
Speaker 1: also having the decency and sweetness to never make it,
Speaker 1: never talk about what was going up on the wall.
Speaker 1: Did they ever ask you about jacking off bow? Did
Speaker 1: they ever make an issue of it they find anything? Um?
Speaker 1: I'm positive that my mom would just sort of like
Speaker 1: see like like a stain on something, you just not
Speaker 1: think anything of it and just not ask questions. Um No,
Speaker 1: And I'm actually very grateful that they never brought it up.
Speaker 1: What about you? There was a time where I mean
Speaker 1: I was just like abjectly caught like my mom, My
Speaker 1: mom like, come on something and she heard and she goes,
Speaker 1: I don't know what this is, but you need to
Speaker 1: talk to your father about it. And I was like
Speaker 1: it's nothing, Oh my god, Actually no, I vividly remember
Speaker 1: what it was. I was like, I fell asleep, I took,
Speaker 1: I took, I trooled. I literally said that, and then
Speaker 1: I literally like showed her like see look, putting my
Speaker 1: head down on the fellow next to the come and
Speaker 1: I was like, see it was. And my mother looked
Speaker 1: at me and she was like, you need to talk
Speaker 1: to your father about this. And I was like your brother.
Speaker 1: She had one older brother, but she was not ready
Speaker 1: to deal with it, like and so basically I heard
Speaker 1: them talk in the next room and my mom goes
Speaker 1: to my dad. This is the conversation, I swear to God,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't make it up. My mom goes, did
Speaker 1: you ever do that? And my dad said no, and
Speaker 1: my mother and I remember I felt, I'm sitting there,
Speaker 1: I'm listening to it, and I'm feeling so betrayed by
Speaker 1: my father because I'm like, you, motherfucker, of course you've
Speaker 1: done this. I was like, stick up from me. And
Speaker 1: then I remember my mother was like, you need to
Speaker 1: talk to him about it. I can't. And he came
Speaker 1: in like fifteen minutes later, and he was like, you
Speaker 1: just have to be a little bit more careful and
Speaker 1: what's happening is completely natural. It's fine, but you just
Speaker 1: have to be more You just have to be more careful.
Speaker 1: And that was period all he said. Pretty good. Pretty
Speaker 1: twenty years later, you're screaming at this old man about
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders and this man saved your life. I literally,
Speaker 1: but I vividly remember the moment I had been caught maturing.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I know, this is um no content
Speaker 1: that this is coming for me one day. Has he
Speaker 1: shown any little signs of horny nous sorry for bringing you? No?
Speaker 1: Well no, no, no, he's sick, so no. But I
Speaker 1: mean little kids do. But I will say this all
Speaker 1: little kids especially, I think generally, Like I know and
Speaker 1: also my friends who have daughters, same thing, like around
Speaker 1: five six, Like they are just like touching their genitals
Speaker 1: all the time all the time. But like and also
Speaker 1: they don't know, so they're just doing it in front
Speaker 1: of people. It's like all the time, all the time.
Speaker 1: It is so funny when you just see kids home
Speaker 1: they're just publicly just touching themselves. They don't know, and
Speaker 1: they're totally innocent, and they're not you know, it's not sexual,
Speaker 1: but maybe it is, like it just sort of feels
Speaker 1: nice or it's comforting or it's like but you are
Speaker 1: I chronically feels nice, nice because they it's nice. But
Speaker 1: I have had moments with myself. You don't want to
Speaker 1: shame that especially it's like it's nothing, but they get
Speaker 1: to be a needy You're like you kind of got
Speaker 1: so but like there are times where like my son
Speaker 1: and I are like watching TV together, watching Dinosaur Train,
Speaker 1: a great show, truly a shout out, and he starts
Speaker 1: to touch himself. He's just well, it's more like just
Speaker 1: like a guy. It's almost more just like just like
Speaker 1: like Bundy, it's like hand in pants pants. And that's
Speaker 1: another moment where I'm just like, what is this life
Speaker 1: like again? What is this like? Just sitting here watching
Speaker 1: someone discover their dick? Me Jesse Klenn, I am sitting
Speaker 1: on a couch watching a show called Dinosaur Dream with
Speaker 1: this young kid just because hand his pants like Al Bundy. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I used to just me and drink and
Speaker 1: blow guys. I don't know why that's always where my
Speaker 1: mind goes. It's just the other identity. It's the other person.
Speaker 1: And I totally get where your mind is going there
Speaker 1: because Matt, when you agree when you're blowing someone like
Speaker 1: it's it's it is just like it's a confecting moment
Speaker 1: where you go, this is who I'm I'm a kid.
Speaker 1: It's so interesting. Um. I was also just like thinking
Speaker 1: of the whole time where Okay, cathexis, which is when
Speaker 1: you are like so when you like form this like
Speaker 1: psychic like association bond with something that you are defined
Speaker 1: by it. Yeah, I'm butchering it, but it's like a
Speaker 1: Freudian term. Look at this, and it's it often comes
Speaker 1: in the heat of a moment, the concentration of mental
Speaker 1: energy on one particular person, idea, or object, especially to
Speaker 1: an unhealthy degree. Yeah, well you think, like I actually
Speaker 1: only exist for this right now, um, and those are
Speaker 1: the moments where and that's actually and that actually, I
Speaker 1: think is what's addictive and gets people sometimes doing bad things,
Speaker 1: is because when they're really really detached in their every
Speaker 1: day life from what brings them this cathexus to blow jobs,
Speaker 1: to blow jobs or really to perform whatever type of
Speaker 1: oral sex is your sex um. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: it's very interesting to think about that in that context.
Speaker 1: While you were talking, I couldn't stop thinking about when
Speaker 1: I got pubes, and that's going to be a whole
Speaker 1: other thing. When I got when I first got pubes,
Speaker 1: that was, like I think, it's like when you first
Speaker 1: get pubes and when you first realize your boner connects
Speaker 1: to wanting to fuck. Those are two moments. It's like,
Speaker 1: that's when you that is what puberty really is. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the when you can connect those two thoughts and
Speaker 1: really do the mental math in your brain. That's when
Speaker 1: you realize you are, you know. Grown. It's funny because
Speaker 1: I too have like a very vivid it's like just
Speaker 1: like the time, like a vivid little shard of them. Remember.
Speaker 1: I just remember being why are we talking about this whatever?
Speaker 1: That's not dancing, being in the bath and like just
Speaker 1: chilling like this is not going. I wasn't mastering. It
Speaker 1: was more just like thinking about truly, I think just
Speaker 1: being reading. I was just being in this. I think
Speaker 1: I was reading and then I just was like I'm
Speaker 1: just look down and then there was like god, I
Speaker 1: so crazy that we're having these memories or having this conversations.
Speaker 1: I thought about this forever. But like I remember seeing like, oh,
Speaker 1: there's like little bubbles, like a little like bubbles like
Speaker 1: attached down there to like what are they attaching to that?
Speaker 1: I don't say that before. And they were like on
Speaker 1: like little hairs, what why what they like that's a
Speaker 1: new thing. And then I just was like I better
Speaker 1: keep reading this book. I have to get out of here,
Speaker 1: back to Cofa. This this literally was this very intellectual.
Speaker 1: This literally though not to make this clunky connection, but
Speaker 1: this is why I do love Big Mouth is because
Speaker 1: it minds the most specific, like hard comedy out of
Speaker 1: these things, and it's like it actually it reminds me
Speaker 1: of the specificity with which you write in the book too,
Speaker 1: because it's like something the comedy in that show is
Speaker 1: so specific and so vivid and so blown out. And
Speaker 1: obviously because it's animated, they can do that. That's what
Speaker 1: makes it a classic to me. And we're sitting here
Speaker 1: is so engrossed in this conversation because it is you
Speaker 1: do get the opportunity to be so specific about it,
Speaker 1: which is why it's so funny. I mean, they're so
Speaker 1: incredible and like the writers on the show and Nick
Speaker 1: and everybody market channel is unreal. He is unreal, unreal
Speaker 1: human being. I don't he a full unicorn of a man,
Speaker 1: just like a white horn, a bristly tale. Uh. You
Speaker 1: know we all see in our mind's eye what kind
Speaker 1: of like just a strong, strong uniform. But he galloping um,
Speaker 1: I mean that was the other well, but no, he
Speaker 1: The stuff that they that they excavate about puberty is
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's so deep and they're like almost every
Speaker 1: time I get one of those scripts, there's something in there.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, fucking fun I haven't thought about that,
Speaker 1: like the stuff they did with like Jesse getting or period,
Speaker 1: and like they've gone like more about like tampons, and
Speaker 1: we're just like it's so real and small but so
Speaker 1: emotionally huge area. This is an annoying question, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure you even asked this a million times. Is this
Speaker 1: going to be like teachable to Astro when he's like
Speaker 1: that age or is that going to be like something
Speaker 1: you show big Mouth? Yeah, well, you know, it's so
Speaker 1: funny because I have some like a couple of friends
Speaker 1: might have kids who are older, like they're like thirteen. Actually,
Speaker 1: an old friend of mine who I met when when
Speaker 1: we were in fifth grade, and now it kills me
Speaker 1: because her son is now the age like when there's
Speaker 1: a moment he was the age we met. But she
Speaker 1: told me that they watch Big Mouth together. A lot
Speaker 1: of people watch it with their kids, And now I
Speaker 1: have to say it makes me so happy because I
Speaker 1: do think it's like such a positive, incredible show and
Speaker 1: like could bridge so many conversations for parents to have.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I think about like sitting
Speaker 1: with my mom or dad, like looking at anything like
Speaker 1: the tiniest smooch happening on TV, and I would have
Speaker 1: to like go get in a car and out to
Speaker 1: another stage. I couldn't I couldn't sit next to them
Speaker 1: and look at anything. So I don't quite know how that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of a crazy thing to think about,
Speaker 1: you know, like hearing mommy's voice someone with Mommy's voice
Speaker 1: having period, you know, like, oh my god. I know
Speaker 1: until you just said that, I honestly hadn't even thought about.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, well, I watched this show with him,
Speaker 1: like the way my friends watched, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm in it, and your name, her name is Jesse, Jesse,
Speaker 1: and there's some stuff coming up that I remember. Oh boy,
Speaker 1: I haven't even thought about that. Forgett you know. I
Speaker 1: feel like though there is a certain time where you
Speaker 1: understand your parent's sense of humor and then it's okay
Speaker 1: because you can you can all accept it as like
Speaker 1: a comedic program like I remember, I don't know, like
Speaker 1: there was my dad was always like I think okay
Speaker 1: with me watching certain things with him, and my mother
Speaker 1: was the one that was like Richie and I would
Speaker 1: have to get sent out of the room like Austin Powers.
Speaker 1: I think my dad would have loved to sit and
Speaker 1: watch with me, but my mother was I would categorize
Speaker 1: her as freaking out during the whole thing, like I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know about this, you know, this
Speaker 1: is all, this is too much, and she just wouldn't stop.
Speaker 1: And in an effort to get her to stop so
Speaker 1: he could enjoy it, he was like, yeah, go get out.
Speaker 1: The one time during the day he took me to
Speaker 1: Nutty Professor, and I think I did have to ask
Speaker 1: some questions about about things after that, and that's I guess,
Speaker 1: just the risk you run when you invite the child
Speaker 1: in on big mouth. You know. My dad was put
Speaker 1: Like I said, he was working many, many, many hours,
Speaker 1: and so I don't know what circumstances could have possibly
Speaker 1: led to him being in charge of me and my
Speaker 1: best friend at the time when we were nine years old.
Speaker 1: Somehow it must have been a day from school. I
Speaker 1: truly think my mom must have maybe had a surgery,
Speaker 1: like she must have really been recovering from an anesthesia.
Speaker 1: With my dad, God bless me, it's like the one
Speaker 1: the one time it was like somehow he was in
Speaker 1: charge of me and my best friend were nine year old,
Speaker 1: like what is he going to do with us for
Speaker 1: the day? And he took us, He took we're nine.
Speaker 1: He took us to see I'm a Dais If you've
Speaker 1: ever seen me like this movie everywhere, So, I mean
Speaker 1: that is my main memory was. It was like so
Speaker 1: much heathing pitch. There's mania in vanity. It's just my
Speaker 1: blue is the warmest color. But I really think in
Speaker 1: his mind he was like, I'm going to take her
Speaker 1: to see a movie about Mozart about like he just
Speaker 1: didn't in fairness and like the same fairness there's no Internet.
Speaker 1: Maybe he just was like it's a movie about the music.
Speaker 1: For me, just it was I mean, me and my
Speaker 1: friend talked about like certain things like when you see
Speaker 1: something as a own person or a kid that like
Speaker 1: you're not supposed to have seen you you and you're
Speaker 1: a teenager or whatever, and it that it gets burned in,
Speaker 1: like get burned in there, and like I remember like
Speaker 1: like we burned in. We were not okay for I
Speaker 1: think for people like like around Matton my age, like
Speaker 1: it was titan Titanic was the thing, right, There was
Speaker 1: a conversation for sure. It was like because she bare
Speaker 1: her breasts and it was the breast and the car
Speaker 1: sex like the hand, the hand fully covered my eyes.
Speaker 1: And I remember that so vividly. Oh yeah, I remember
Speaker 1: the conversation because I remember that was when I started,
Speaker 1: honestly the culture that made me say culture was for me.
Speaker 1: One thing that could really be in the running was
Speaker 1: the Titanic of the frenzy, that the thing of Titanic
Speaker 1: and Leo when it was like inescapable, and I just remember,
Speaker 1: because it was so inescapable, my parents did have to
Speaker 1: have a sit down discussion about whether or not they
Speaker 1: would let their child me see this movie and what
Speaker 1: the parameters were because I became so one track minded
Speaker 1: about Titanic. Yeah, you had that, you had, but it's
Speaker 1: like and I was, I was seven, you were Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what I'm saying. You were seven and you
Speaker 1: were going to see Titanic. Yes, but Jesse, imagine revisit again,
Speaker 1: the mono culture. If he was only talking about one thing,
Speaker 1: the only thing, it was the only thing. Did you
Speaker 1: go see it? Absolutely? Like at least three times I became.
Speaker 1: I became like infatuated with Kate Winslet in a way
Speaker 1: that I think I remember I didn't know at the time,
Speaker 1: but I was standing, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: was like like when I remember when I first saw
Speaker 1: Atlesha's overstone and clueless. I didn't know at the time,
Speaker 1: I was standing, but and then rose when she turned
Speaker 1: around in that hat. And then what about Cathy Bates?
Speaker 1: I remember standing Kathy Bates the second I saw and
Speaker 1: what was what was the moment it was? It was
Speaker 1: Molly Brown. I remember moving to Denver and I hated it,
Speaker 1: but then we did a tour where like there was
Speaker 1: the Molly Brown House. Whatever, it doesn't matter, like I
Speaker 1: think it matters the most, and you know it, whatever,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, No, it does. It fully matters. It
Speaker 1: fully matters. But like, okay, is it just like blowing
Speaker 1: your mind that, like Matt was ashs age that we
Speaker 1: would age just a flashback to what I was saying before,
Speaker 1: Like so Asher is going to be seven in June
Speaker 1: and we really only watch Dinosaur Maybe you don't understand
Speaker 1: what Dinosaur Trate is. It's a show about dinosaurs taking
Speaker 1: a train through various parts of the dinosaur era. Honestly
Speaker 1: that does. Um it's actually really well does. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't imagine him watching Titanic. But but it's interesting
Speaker 1: because he also now I do know he and I'm
Speaker 1: not like, um, I'm not trying to like shield him
Speaker 1: from stuff. I will say, like I find like a
Speaker 1: lot of shows that are made for kids are just
Speaker 1: so hyper and annoying and shitty, because I always wanted
Speaker 1: to like where it's like so violent and crazy and
Speaker 1: like really just awful. Um, but I do know, like
Speaker 1: I remember an article a few years ago in The
Speaker 1: Times about like someone like I was so excited when
Speaker 1: their kid turned seven to take them, like to show
Speaker 1: them Star Wars, and so I'm like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe he's maybe he's ready to just tic feels a
Speaker 1: little on a day, but I guess it's mostly other
Speaker 1: than the handle the car window and the boobs, you
Speaker 1: know what. The thing about it though, is it's violence,
Speaker 1: and like that's another thing is it's just like there's
Speaker 1: a there, there's gunfire. There's that in us of people
Speaker 1: honestly omesurable. Those are the images that I do remember
Speaker 1: from seeing it, and like I do sort of feel
Speaker 1: I have I learned when I think about, like, you know,
Speaker 1: watching them wade through the dead bodies in the water.
Speaker 1: It's just it really was. So I don't know about
Speaker 1: all that, but the titties were just twitties, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, and I continued to stand throughout.
Speaker 1: I think I deeply knew in my soul I wasn't
Speaker 1: attracted to her, but I definitely thought she was glorious
Speaker 1: and I had an appreciate, I had appreciation and just
Speaker 1: she like was a full movie star and I was
Speaker 1: so obsessed with her. So I feel I would have
Speaker 1: been a nightmare had my parents not let me see
Speaker 1: that film. And also, of course in the back of
Speaker 1: your little game mind, there's Leo. But what I'm saying
Speaker 1: to you is that that was definitely a part of
Speaker 1: it at seven. So just around the river bend, she
Speaker 1: takes the deepest frind out, Okay. I think like watching
Speaker 1: Seinfeld when I was seven, I was like, yeah, my
Speaker 1: parents didn't know what was on, and like they left
Speaker 1: me on supervise to watch TV and I would just
Speaker 1: like turn on like whatever syndicated five o'clock, like sitcoms
Speaker 1: on was gonna be a little sheltered, might be it. No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm just no. We're just saying like like it's I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe Matt and I are a little sucked up,
Speaker 1: but like it's not. I don't think it's because of
Speaker 1: those media you know, I mean I was in a cinema,
Speaker 1: Like what percentage of your personality do you think exists
Speaker 1: because you saw Titanic when you were probably if I
Speaker 1: were to really think about it, yeah, a lot. And also,
Speaker 1: you know, the Titanic for us was Titanic for us?
Speaker 1: Was the mania around Titanic? Then like the Oscars being
Speaker 1: like must exactly yeah, and then and then and then
Speaker 1: the kids like I don't know, gay boys are a
Speaker 1: being obsessed with awards shows, Like I think that that
Speaker 1: that's that's an imprinting moment, Like it had to line
Speaker 1: up perfectly. It hit every box because it was it
Speaker 1: was it was literally learning to learning to stand an actress.
Speaker 1: It was you know and one of the goats and
Speaker 1: one of the goats who actually literally did become one
Speaker 1: of the goats and still has you know, ardent fans
Speaker 1: because of that imprint. It was also Celendon. It was
Speaker 1: pop music, it was diva worship, it was camp, it
Speaker 1: was budget and it was Oscars in a in a
Speaker 1: culture when one thing existed, So it just of course
Speaker 1: we're all going to have like a you know, when
Speaker 1: baby opens their first eyes and sees mommy thing with
Speaker 1: Kate Winslet and Celendion there forever. That's so I mean,
Speaker 1: just thinking about I will. I don't want your parents,
Speaker 1: if they're listening or whatever, to feel like I'm judging
Speaker 1: them for using Titanic. No, because as we're talking about
Speaker 1: I am remembering just it was like there was just Titanic,
Speaker 1: and it was like that was like a rule of culture,
Speaker 1: like you just had to go see it, like the
Speaker 1: minute you the minute you could, for the whole year.
Speaker 1: And I actually remember seeing it at Union Square with
Speaker 1: my boyfriend at the time, and uh, it was the
Speaker 1: craziest thing because it was path theater because Titanic, and uh,
Speaker 1: right at the moment where Kate Winslet is on the iceberg,
Speaker 1: we've been waiting to see this ship fucking sink and
Speaker 1: we're like everyone's like like waiting, like I want to
Speaker 1: see that bow go down. She's on the thing, she's
Speaker 1: blowing that whistle or whatever. In front of me. One
Speaker 1: row in front of me, someone projectile throws up on
Speaker 1: the person in front of them, like someone who had
Speaker 1: just been like guzzling it down or drinking and like
Speaker 1: the coil fear like it was someone Oh my god,
Speaker 1: oh I got It's like it was truly. So were
Speaker 1: you laughing though in the moment behind, because but it
Speaker 1: was just it was like everyone was having tatanic Ruin. Also,
Speaker 1: that's like a moment where she's literally everyone was experiencing
Speaker 1: her live that moment and the regal union here or
Speaker 1: whatever the hell which has really seen it all? Oh
Speaker 1: my god, the things I've seen there talking about blown guys,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, good friend, I don't know. But also
Speaker 1: literally before before we do, I don't think, so, honey,
Speaker 1: there is something here. There is something here because also
Speaker 1: you as a person who is a parent. And the
Speaker 1: story that I always bring up for this is Bone
Speaker 1: remembers Anadres and me and Bonin went to go see
Speaker 1: Fifty Shades of Gray on Valentine's Day, first day, the
Speaker 1: first day, and we this is one of our favorite
Speaker 1: things that's ever happened. So no, we actually were doing
Speaker 1: quite well, very enriching. We we So we're there and
Speaker 1: we're watching the film. We're experience and absorbing fifty Shades
Speaker 1: of Gray, and the audience was very bonded by like
Speaker 1: you know, you know act too by the end of
Speaker 1: Act too, like this was an audience I was willing
Speaker 1: to laugh at it. There's an audience that was like
Speaker 1: kind of understood how CAMPI and stupid and fun were
Speaker 1: all they're together like to see. So then probably I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say at least five or six lashings have gone by,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like we've seen the girl
Speaker 1: participate in BDSM for certain, and we here from the
Speaker 1: back of the theater literally like if you could pick
Speaker 1: the sentence that a baby says, they said it, Daddy,
Speaker 1: I gotta go to the bed. And when I tell you,
Speaker 1: the hire theater had to get the definition of a
Speaker 1: catharsis when we all realized that there was a child
Speaker 1: who had seen what we had seen, and we all
Speaker 1: like held each other straight strangers looked each other in
Speaker 1: the eye and knew that they were bonded for life.
Speaker 1: It was so crazy. The movie ended and we were
Speaker 1: sort of like debriefing about it, and I remember Anna said, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know what though, like maybe they didn't have
Speaker 1: help and they really wanted to see the movie. And
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, you know what, there is a
Speaker 1: negotiation between you know what, one for them, one for you.
Speaker 1: You have to survive too, you need to consume, consume media.
Speaker 1: It's of course one of the food groups. Media. It's
Speaker 1: like as as important as a car, and so what
Speaker 1: are you gonna do? Like and deprived yourself. And then
Speaker 1: I did say that, and I was like, yeah, but
Speaker 1: probably not fifty shades of gray and we all agreed.
Speaker 1: But you know what, there's something to that, like you
Speaker 1: gotta watch one of that something getting burned in, Oh,
Speaker 1: burned in. That's what I'm saying. There's nothing as bonding
Speaker 1: as a crazy New York City movie theater moment. Like
Speaker 1: those moments, especially like at a certain time pod but
Speaker 1: like the person throwing up a Titanic was one where
Speaker 1: just everyone was like we have to survive, like we
Speaker 1: like the iceberg, we must survive this together. There was
Speaker 1: I remember when I went to go see the Sex
Speaker 1: in the City movie, like the first day it came out,
Speaker 1: which I want to say was maybe a Valentine's Day situation.
Speaker 1: I don't remember, but that I mean just basic, basic,
Speaker 1: basic path theater of Ladies. There is the moment like
Speaker 1: everyone's like there were balloons, like it was so basic.
Speaker 1: But we were all like, we're basic and we're seeing this.
Speaker 1: We love it and whatever, it's a great movie. Sorry,
Speaker 1: but the first one moment, the first one, the first No,
Speaker 1: not the one we're they're in dubaiing like offending everyone.
Speaker 1: We're talking first. But but there was that moment. There
Speaker 1: was a moment when Carrie reveals the closet that big
Speaker 1: like built for her in the department, and the entire
Speaker 1: audience of New York City ladies goes. There was like
Speaker 1: an audible theater wide. Guy, it's a great shot. And
Speaker 1: then what say, yeah, hello, lover, I live here. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: hello lover. That's what it is. Yeah, everyone's living in
Speaker 1: like a three roommate situation of Murray Hill. I literally
Speaker 1: was talking. I mean, that's budget and that is important. Budgets.
Speaker 1: Get those budgets out everyone. Okay, guys need an escape.
Speaker 1: I think it may be. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: because we've sort of arrived at that point where we're
Speaker 1: so full that we have to unleash this energy. I
Speaker 1: certainly have had um a certain culture dictate my life
Speaker 1: over the past several days. So I have and I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey, based in that this is Matt Rogers.
Speaker 1: I don't think so many as time starts now, I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey, antibiotic culture. Why do they do
Speaker 1: what they do to our butt holes? It's fucking insane.
Speaker 1: I've been on the antibiotic augmented for several days. What
Speaker 1: has done to my digestive system is unforgivable, unfathomable, and unsavory.
Speaker 1: I find myself bereft. Nothing is solid. I don't understand why.
Speaker 1: And I didn't do anything to even deserve my ear infection.
Speaker 1: That's another thing. I don't think, so honey, that I've
Speaker 1: fallen this type of malady because I've neverly been in
Speaker 1: a pool of Lake Upond, I've not been near anything.
Speaker 1: I shower so responsibly. God, God, you're up there literally
Speaker 1: watching me shower. You know you know I'm not asking
Speaker 1: for this. I keep my ear as clean as a whistle.
Speaker 1: I don't think, so honey that as a result of
Speaker 1: just the fates, I have to be on these antibiotics, poked, prodded, strapped.
Speaker 1: Please five seconds, God, if you're up there and you
Speaker 1: remember I didn't do anything deserve this, have a mercy
Speaker 1: on my butthole. I'm shifting water and that's one minute.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, oh my god. Augment um and it's
Speaker 1: such a it doesn't it sounds like a villain in
Speaker 1: a film, like we're that we're teaming up to fight augmentum.
Speaker 1: Drink just to shell pass. Maybe that's you know, it
Speaker 1: is all about water, and it is all about also,
Speaker 1: which you don't take us seriously at the time, but
Speaker 1: really people should taking the antibiotics with food food. You
Speaker 1: must do this, and it's I don't think I realized
Speaker 1: again hashtag adult thing. Sorry now, I don't think I
Speaker 1: realized antibiotics like were what they were. Like when you're
Speaker 1: a kid and you get sick, they just put you
Speaker 1: on antibiotics and then you live your life and your dream.
Speaker 1: But I remember when I was in my twenties, I
Speaker 1: was on put on like two different antibiotics too close together,
Speaker 1: and my digestive system wasn't the same for like six
Speaker 1: or seven months. My god, I thought I was gluten intolerant,
Speaker 1: so like you got it. I'm not even kidding. They
Speaker 1: over prescribed me at the at the City m D.
Speaker 1: And I've done I don't think Sony City m D before,
Speaker 1: but um went, I absolutely did, doctor, because he loves
Speaker 1: to give you a shot here. But and I got
Speaker 1: a shot in my butt again today have steroids. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, I'm I'm on. Let's say the planet Saturn.
Speaker 1: I really do mean all right, we're gonna offline about DR.
Speaker 1: I just want to say DR wanting to just being
Speaker 1: so like shot happy is concerning I if it's there
Speaker 1: for you, He's there for you when you need him. Okay, great, great, great?
Speaker 1: Only take the shot when like you have like chlamydiar
Speaker 1: or something. You have a girl when I'm telling you, yeah,
Speaker 1: he kind of is more like like you know, Halloween
Speaker 1: how everyone gets candy. He's more like that. She's more
Speaker 1: like that. He's more Halloween. Great Halloween doctor. He's a
Speaker 1: Halloween style doctor. It's like a Halloween doctor. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: well pray for me everyone, everyone. This is Bowen Yang's
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, Now do you have something
Speaker 1: you feel very good? I love that. I love that. Okay,
Speaker 1: so it's I didn't want to say yet I am
Speaker 1: avoid it's when now whenever I say I love that
Speaker 1: for you, I feel like I'm like dropping some promo.
Speaker 1: But it really is vernacular. It's vernacular. That's why it's
Speaker 1: called that. All right, great, this is I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Your time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Gift
Speaker 1: shops call them what they are, candles stores. Okay, there's
Speaker 1: nothing but candles and stationary. The options are limited. I
Speaker 1: went to separate ones on my way to work to
Speaker 1: buy a gift for someone. The offerings were the same.
Speaker 1: It's either candles, cards, maybe like a quote unquote hard puzzle,
Speaker 1: something that's marketed as a hard puzzle because it's like
Speaker 1: a monochrome puzzle where you can't really put it together
Speaker 1: so easily because the colors are all the same. I
Speaker 1: don't we have to step it up. We're in a
Speaker 1: post Christmas candle as the nel sketch world where like
Speaker 1: buying a candle for someone who's like, not okay anymore,
Speaker 1: I disagree with that. I love candles, um, I don't
Speaker 1: like that there's this stigma on them now. But I
Speaker 1: also don't like, on on an equal note, how gift
Speaker 1: shops only sell saying which is candles. I don't care
Speaker 1: that it's different companies. I just need something more. You
Speaker 1: need to do more, and that's what minute. I will
Speaker 1: also submit wrapping paper, which is interesting because at a
Speaker 1: place that sells wrapping paper, you think there'd be more
Speaker 1: options of gifts of gifts, but the options you're limited.
Speaker 1: As my sister in my heart said, can I also,
Speaker 1: I mean, I just want to check on I mean
Speaker 1: my own thing. But when you open a tube of
Speaker 1: wrapping paper and it's it's must it's like multiple individual
Speaker 1: sheets and not one long tube, and like, what are
Speaker 1: we playing at? What are you assuming the size? And
Speaker 1: it's why is this like stiffer, harder paper? Like am
Speaker 1: I the Queen of England here? Like what let's talk
Speaker 1: about this right now? When it looks like it's a
Speaker 1: big tube and you find out it's mostly tube, Oh,
Speaker 1: you're playing with me. You're playing with me. And that's gaslighting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's gas gas lighting. And I'll say it even lower
Speaker 1: and in a whisper, that's gaslighting. And so that and
Speaker 1: now now we have to like and the thing is
Speaker 1: too about about the stigma on candles. There's nothing wrong
Speaker 1: with candles. There's nothing wrong with candles. They bring joy
Speaker 1: to every one. You can never have enough simple pleasure,
Speaker 1: a little self care, and everyone in the world has candles,
Speaker 1: and it's universal. It brings you together, it gets you
Speaker 1: together from the smell and the area that it brings.
Speaker 1: And we're post we're post irony with candles. Sorry, thank
Speaker 1: you so much, thank you, because it is this like
Speaker 1: it You're so right, Matt. It's it's it's like every
Speaker 1: cal there's like a carbon and meat dish in every
Speaker 1: culture there is. There is oil and wax and a
Speaker 1: flame in every single culture in the world. That is
Speaker 1: a rule of culture. A number of number there and
Speaker 1: and every culture around the world, around the world. Guys. Also,
Speaker 1: I will come forth the rap gift that I gave
Speaker 1: to the lovely p A s and people on I
Speaker 1: love for you ndles each and everyone, and each one
Speaker 1: was received not only with gratitude, but also also with
Speaker 1: a conversation, because the thing about candles is they all
Speaker 1: have a scent, and so it's not just talking about
Speaker 1: the candle. You can also then engage about how much
Speaker 1: you love that scent. Here's ones that people always respond
Speaker 1: to cedar, yes, mimosa, oh my god. And of course
Speaker 1: forest fire. Of course, a diptyq dosan um is always
Speaker 1: good too. I mean, I love to give people candles
Speaker 1: because I hate to them to buy them. They should
Speaker 1: only come as gifts. I mean, I'm sorry. I know
Speaker 1: we've been talking for five hours. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: keep rolling, honest. This all right? So here's the deal
Speaker 1: it Stesse Clins. I don't think so, honey. And this
Speaker 1: is a moment for you to sort of rail against
Speaker 1: something in culture verse six seconds as we just have.
Speaker 1: So are you ready to do so? I mean, I
Speaker 1: hope I can live up to this guy. Yes, of
Speaker 1: course you will. Here we go, this is Jesse Klins.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Your time starts now. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Can we talk about Jessica Bill
Speaker 1: and this trailer for this who joke? Candy she an
Speaker 1: innocent Jesse Kline watching TV the other night and Jessica
Speaker 1: Bill is on playing this I guess real life ax
Speaker 1: murderer killer named Candy Montgomery, her neighbor. And Jessica Bill
Speaker 1: is in a big curly perm wig and glasses, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, honey, you still look like Jessica Gobiel. You're
Speaker 1: still giving me just sitting next to justin timber Lake
Speaker 1: courtside at the Lakers. I don't care that you have
Speaker 1: on your perm wig. I don't care that you have
Speaker 1: your Warby Parker aviator glasses, no hate. I'm sure you're
Speaker 1: great in it. But this is a role I saw
Speaker 1: someone in real life with love. I mean, she killed someone.
Speaker 1: She's a four or five or six at best, you're
Speaker 1: a t Leave this role to a Juillliard grad who's
Speaker 1: a four figer? Is this role? Don't a lot of
Speaker 1: conversation in the culture right now about who can play well.
Speaker 1: And I still don't believe in tense playing fives one
Speaker 1: I'm talking about of course, I see her in those
Speaker 1: classes in that wig, and I'm like, let someone else shine.
Speaker 1: She killed someone's five six. Only the murderers murders that
Speaker 1: some of the ugliest people. Jessica Bill, if you want
Speaker 1: to know, I'm extending my she just have have someone
Speaker 1: write a screenplay for you where you play an ax
Speaker 1: murderer who was a ten. You know, I know you
Speaker 1: want your your Emmy and your award and you want
Speaker 1: to do real acting, but like, don't don't put on
Speaker 1: that wig in those glasses. Can be like a woman
Speaker 1: in Texas who killed someone. Yeah, at least find the
Speaker 1: hot one, you know what I mean. I never want
Speaker 1: to judge another woman's appearance. But I looked at the
Speaker 1: real Candy Mirgomery, and I'm just saying, it's not a
Speaker 1: Jessica Bill role. She's not she's not unattractive. She's just
Speaker 1: a regular gal. I do want to look this person up.
Speaker 1: Montgomery's just a regular gal. Yeah, Oh she's she's pretty.
Speaker 1: You know who's you know who's good at this? I
Speaker 1: feel who's good at this is Blake Lively. Like Blake
Speaker 1: Lively plays all different kinds of people, but she always
Speaker 1: makes sure they're looking good. I just think Jessica Bill,
Speaker 1: it's such a specific level of ten just to have.
Speaker 1: It's like I want to monomy clearly, are we gonna
Speaker 1: hear kiss me? Playing as you like? Take your gas off?
Speaker 1: Killed this woman? I am seeing a side by side
Speaker 1: and it is really funny, like the chasm. Let me
Speaker 1: look at it, hold on specific pho. Let me just
Speaker 1: put it's a little bit of a ricky wigs. Okay,
Speaker 1: wait can you click on that? I just sorry, this
Speaker 1: is so funny on just really gorgeous, stunning. This is incredible.
Speaker 1: Oh just won't be so many actors. There's so many
Speaker 1: And Sarah Paulson playing Linda trip, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know, probably probably could have found
Speaker 1: probably could have found a Linda Trip type. We could
Speaker 1: have found. I mean, you know Shirley infamously doing for
Speaker 1: that oscar and it worked, but she never she never
Speaker 1: did it again, which which we were spacked, which we were.
Speaker 1: It's like ten's only I don't know, she can't do
Speaker 1: that deal with or deal Honey with deals gonna be
Speaker 1: alien that so brilliant. Oh my gosh, well listen, what
Speaker 1: the hell? I feel like one of the best things
Speaker 1: that anyone could possibly do would be to pick up
Speaker 1: I'll Show Myself Out, which is out on April, which
Speaker 1: genuinely made me think and feel and laugh and I
Speaker 1: just feel like I'm better for reading it, and it
Speaker 1: is going to make me reach out to my mother
Speaker 1: um and already has and call your mom's and Jesse,
Speaker 1: You're like, literally the best, the best. I cannot tell
Speaker 1: you how grateful and honor truly I am to be
Speaker 1: on this and I'm going to watch Titanic tonight and yeah, well,
Speaker 1: if we can turn out like you guys, think of
Speaker 1: the best, Thank you for coming on. I love that
Speaker 1: for you is streaming on April nine. Then you better
Speaker 1: remember that everyone, um, and yeah, what do you say
Speaker 1: about And every episode I think we and every episode
Speaker 1: with the song time in the You's true, You're now,
Speaker 1: you haven't the girl. We have to go, Where to go? Bye,