WEBVTT - The Overview Effect: Tripping Out in Space 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:06.680 Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:14.520 Works dot Com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:18.280 I'm Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. And uh, you know, Julie, 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:21.119 I was just thinking the other day about how we're 0:00:21.160 --> 0:00:25.040 just approaching fifty years of humans going into the space. 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:28.120 Like I think it's like like the next April, I 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.680 think is the is when we'll reach that point fifty 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:35.320 years of humans blasting up on the the tip of 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:40.760 control explosions, uh, into orbit, hanging out in microgravity and 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:43.800 then coming back and uh and and I in in 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:46.000 researching what we're gonna talk about today, I was I 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:48.720 was thinking, what if everybody who had come back from 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:53.559 space came back like just completely changed in terms of 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:57.360 their their their mental um, you know, outlook on life 0:00:57.400 --> 0:01:00.480 and the universe um to the point where it was 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:03.440 just like you had space people returning to the planet. Well, 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:07.839 and you know my question is, aren't they completely changed? 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:10.800 I mean, wouldn't they just be inherently changed from that experience? Well, 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:12.920 at some level, I think they generally are. I mean 0:01:13.000 --> 0:01:15.280 you hear people talk about like I was talking to 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:17.640 one of the Virgin Galactic dudes about the whole cell 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:20.959 on Virgin Galactic, which, of course Virgin Galactic is the 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:24.440 space tourist thing that's gonna eventually start here Richard Branson's 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:26.640 brain child. Yeah, I like how you just drop it? Yeah, 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:28.840 I was just talking to like the versus Ealactic you know, 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:31.720 well not I should out, I should Yeah. I was 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:34.200 talking about my seat on the flight, all right. I 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:36.919 was not talking to Richard, just one of Richard alright, 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:38.919 just to clarify, Yeah, but it was for an article. 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:42.680 It wasn't like we weren't hanging out, you know. But 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:44.319 but but I was asking him, like, you know about 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:47.440 the cell of you know, shooting people into space and 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:51.000 whether the what they were they were offering was gonna, 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:53.600 you know, really please people or if people would be like, 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:55.480 whoa what was that? That was whack? I was told 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:56.640 I was going to have a little more of a 0:01:56.640 --> 0:02:00.200 space experience there, but these seats are awful. Yeah, but 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.960 he was like, no, it's gonna it's gonna deliver because 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:05.280 people go into space, and when they go into space, 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:08.919 that's something they talk about for the rest of their lives, 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:14.120 Like it becomes this defining experience, right finding moment of 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:17.040 their their life story. So yeah, so I think on 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:20.400 one level, yes, it does change people. But but the 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:22.240 big thing we're going to talk about today is the 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:27.600 is this thing called the overview effect, which entails or 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.680 at least at least it implies that there are greater 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:34.640 changes going on in uh in at least human outlook. Right. 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:38.680 And this is a relatively new term, right, the overview effect. Right. 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:43.480 It was described by Frank White, I believe, and he 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:47.519 was talking about this this um common thread that runs 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:51.360 through astronauts and their experience when they're out in space 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:53.320 and they just kind of look over their shoulder or 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:58.200 maybe they're making a repair or something, or they're space walking, yeah, 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:01.880 you know, just just as you would be doing on 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:03.960 the Moon, and they happen to look over at Earth 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:08.600 and then they're just blown away in this sense of euphoria. Yeah, 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.519 I'm picturing like a double take. You know. It's like alright, 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.160 preparing repairing the moon buggy, repairing the Moon buggy, and 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.560 you're sort of glancing like whoa, and then it just 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:18.640 all sinks in right, Right, And for a couple of 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:22.119 these astronauts has been completely life changing. Yeah, And and 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:27.080 it's made them reconsider humanity, our role um on the 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:32.120 Earth and in the universe, and some interesting things have 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:35.280 come out of that. Yeah, there's a if you back 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:38.920 up a little bit too, uh to the nineteen fifties, 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:42.560 early nineteen fifties even uh, they had you had psychologists 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:46.760 studying aviation pilots, and they had something already called the 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:52.040 breakaway effect and and the and this was just generally 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:55.760 solo pilots flying at high altitudes having this experience where 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:58.840 they're they're just like like, whoa, they feel the strange 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:02.360 feeling of detachment from the Earth. Um, do you know, 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:04.600 Like I said, generally during solo missions, and it's kind 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:11.000 of this spiritual sensation. Yeah. Well, and I think um 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:13.600 to me that the most interesting part of this is 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:18.640 astronaut edgar Mitchell, and he described his his feelings about 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:21.120 the experience, which are really beautiful if you think about it. 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:23.960 He said that he was basically overwhelmed by the experience. 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.680 He became profoundly aware that each and every atom in 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.440 the universe was connected in some way, and on seeing 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.839 Earth from space, he had an understanding that all humans, animals, 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:36.440 and systems were part of the same thing, a synergistic whole. 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:42.800 It was an interconnected euphoria. Wow. Yeah, interconnected euphoria sounds 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:45.479 that sounds pretty intense. Yeah, So you look at that 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.800 experience and you start to consider it, and as scientists 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:52.599 and neuroscientists are starting to look at it, and and 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:56.280 you think, Okay, well, what happened right before they had 0:04:56.279 --> 0:05:01.080 that Eufork experience? What are what are astronauts spacewalker? What 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:06.000 are these people experiencing, you know, proceeding that very moment, 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:08.920 like even the just the pilots into an airplanes that 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:12.320 aren't even going into space and there you're probably pulling 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:14.600 some serious g s and then you're you're looking out 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.520 at you know, perhaps the even the curvature of the 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:20.080 Earth or something. And I mean even those guys were 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:22.400 like they were using language like I felt like a god, 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:23.799 or I felt like I was king of the Earth, 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.039 or even this weird thing where they were like I 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.520 wanted to just fly on forever. I didn't care if 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:31.800 there was any fuel, you know. So so, but then 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:34.280 taking it to the they had like a Thumma and 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:36.760 Louise moment. Yeah, yeah, where they just want to just 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:40.000 drive off the cliff of the universe, right off the cliff. Yeah. 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:42.920 So so when you're going into space, though, it's it's 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:46.360 that that more complicated a journey, you know, it's it's 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.839 a it's a lot more effort to actually, um leave 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:53.840 the atmosphere. So so yeah, the experiences of getting there 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:57.560 are definitely a little more taxing. Yeah. So, I mean 0:05:57.640 --> 0:05:59.719 you have written about this before in a blog post 0:05:59.839 --> 0:06:02.520 of about how being out in space kind of makes 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:05.600 you a little bit cranky. Yeah, and you talked about 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:09.240 stage one. Yeah. Stage one is, uh is a pretty 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:11.800 cool well, I mean they're all kind of cool and 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:15.320 kind of frightening. Um but but stage stage one is 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:19.120 basically like a twenty six drop in sleep efficiency, greater 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.919 reduced rapid eye movement and uh. And and essentially you 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:27.680 have dream deprivation. So you start feeling uncomfortable. You start 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:29.560 feeling sluggish in your work. You know, it's like if 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:31.240 you stay up all night and you know, pulling all night, 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:32.719 or then try to go to work the next day, 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:35.120 you know you're gonna feel a little slow. You you 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:38.120 may feel you know, a little cranky even and uh, 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:40.000 it's like the beginning of a road trip. Yeah. And 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.200 plus you're in space now, where suddenly your sense of 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:44.560 night and day is totally screwed up. Sleeping is a 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:47.720 different ordeal. Your stomachs all, you know, messed up. You're 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:49.320 having to take You're probably having to take a little 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:52.480 medication here and there to to regulate what's night and 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:55.000 what's day. Right, you're like the Elvis of the cosmos. Yeah, 0:06:55.120 --> 0:07:01.559 exactly on your space toilet do you hopefully get off of? Yeah, 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:05.160 And so basically you're just sort of trying to acclimate 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:07.960 to the atmosphere you're in, the environment, you're in, the 0:07:08.000 --> 0:07:10.960 people you're with. And then stage two that's sort of 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:14.040 like the honeymoon period, right. Yeah, Generally it's about six 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:17.440 weeks into a mission and you hit your stride um 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:19.760 and uh and and you you're generally gonna have six 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.360 additional weeks of having it all figured out. You got it, 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.240 you know, you got your patterns down. Your stomach, I 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.400 guess has has settled out a little and is not 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:30.320 going crazy at every little thing. You're you know, you 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:32.360 figured out that the most efficient way to go to 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:34.480 the restroom or I don't know, maybe you're you're still 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:35.840 in the mode where you can hold it. I don't 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:38.520 know how how long, Um, you know, a human can 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:42.240 actually um hold out. But if if you really wanted to, 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:44.920 maybe twelve twelve weeks, I don't know, Yeah, I don't know, 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.280 but that would be uncomfortable. I would say, that'd make 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:52.400 me cranky. And then stage three you start kind of 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:55.360 sniping with each other. Right, the honeymoon's over. Your your 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.800 crew members, your fellow crew members are driving you nuts. Yeah, 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:01.400 this is like I think like our five of a 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:05.680 of a terrestrial uh car trip of road trip, you know, 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:08.720 where suddenly everybody's a little bit cramped up a little 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:11.239 too long here, you're getting a little a little short 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.200 with everyone, right, you want to listen to your music. Yeah, 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:16.600 And a lot of this they say is linked to 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:21.520 boredom and isolation obviously, you know. And but some of 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.120 the stuff was really interesting. They said that some of 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:25.760 the studies I was looking at, they said that you 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:28.720 could you'd have you know, increased sensitivity to loud noises, 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:34.240 changes in musical preference. So I guess suddenly, like you're 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:35.960 looking at your iPod, It's like, what was I thinking 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:37.720 bringing all this a C D C up here? All 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:39.680 I want to do is listen to pure moods. And 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:43.400 you're like yeah, yeah, so this is I mean, this 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:45.000 is a great reason to make sure that your MP 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:47.720 three players loaded down. Like, don't don't just put on 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:49.400 all the rock and music you're gonna need for those 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:51.880 first twelve weeks. Uh, you know, you're gonna want to 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:53.760 be prepared for the for maybe a little calm or 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:58.080 listening later on, ye bring some back up. And then 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.000 you've got stage four right so and and by the way, 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:05.400 so just to recap it, you've got fatigued stress, you're 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:08.960 feeling a little bit lonely, sensory deprivation, you've got some 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:13.720 bone mass loss going on, right, Um, poor oxygen at 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:17.560 at certain times, yes, they're they're you know, they have 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:20.920 sensors to regulate that. But you're you're probably countering some 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:23.959 some poor oxygen from time to time. You're also you 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:25.959 can only clean yourself. So, I mean, I don't know 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:29.839 about the rest of you people out there, but if like, 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.079 camping for me is kind of an ordeal because if 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:34.440 I go like a day without taking a shower, I 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.720 just feel like I'm doing something wrong. Really. Yeah, like 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:39.240 in the summer, I'll take two or three if I 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:42.000 can get away with it in a day. I know, 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:44.160 that's not good for my skin. But man, there's nothing 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:46.319 like a shower to like just change your outlook on life. 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:48.280 I guess that means I would be well suited to 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:51.920 space travel. I don't mind the funk. Yeah, yeah, I 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.920 feel like it's it's a morning to others. Well, that's 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:56.480 the thing. It's so you're gonna have how you know, 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:00.000 a number of people in a in a very enclosed environment, 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:03.920 all using their funk as a warning to see this 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:07.640 is why this might be ideal for me, idea well 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.520 solo mission maybe yeah, okay, yeah, I don't know, you're right, 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:14.720 but so all these things are happening and uh and 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:16.840 then I kind of look at what stage four as 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:20.000 sort of the extreme teenage mode where you just get 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:23.600 super cranky because you know that the thing is going 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.319 to come to a close pretty soon. But is this 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.679 also when euphoria might set in? Yeah, this is when 0:10:29.800 --> 0:10:33.960 you start getting this uh this one final symptom, and 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:37.679 it is quote prevailing feelings of euphoria. This is uh, 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:40.360 this this is you know, we're getting into the into 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.439 the overview effect territory here. This is linked to multiple 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:48.040 accounts from astronauts of of how their their mental state 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:51.400 is gone throughout a mission because you know NASA, UM, 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:53.560 you know any of these space programs that they're very 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:58.000 interested in the mental shape of their their astronauts before, during, 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:01.680 and after a trip. And so this is an established 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:03.960 pattern right here. So I think that's interesting to know 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:07.920 that you have to undergo all these different, uh see 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:11.760 changes in yourself before you get to experience you for you. 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:13.440 I think that guess that's a clue. Yeah, it's kind 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:17.079 of like, um, my wife and I often will try 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:22.040 and make this a Friday evening relaxation yoga thing, and 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.520 uh and it's generally I'm just exceedingly cranky when I 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:27.120 get there because I've just got just gotten home from working, 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:30.400 you know, and she's just gotten home, and we're putting 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:32.559 off having dinner till after yoga. So we're maybe a 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.079 little up. What I think is is known in scientific 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.920 circles as angry. This is when you're both hungry. You're 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:41.000 you're angry, but it's due to hunger issues, all right, 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:42.839 your blood sugar levels are not. Yeah, so we're a 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:45.439 little angry. We just you know, we've just been running 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:47.240 NonStop and now we're at yoga and you know, we 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:48.960 get in there and granted is you know, some calming 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:51.160 music and all, but then it's you know, start getting 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:54.880 into uncomfortable poses and and then it just makes me crankier. 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:57.280 And then there's a karate uh lesson going on in 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:58.840 the room next to it, so it's like I can't 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:01.800 relax with are you going on next door? But then 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.400 eventually at the very end after all this like karate 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:07.000 and and and uh and yoga, it's like we start 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:09.760 doing the relaxation mode, like I guess like an hour 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.360 and a half end, and then then you can actually relax, 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.040 so I kind of get that impression from from going 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:18.760 into space. At the long end of this arduous process, 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:22.320 suddenly all this in insight starts happening. So it's sort 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:25.880 of like a release. Yes, is your hypothesis well sort 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:28.360 of sort of my hypotheis yeah, yeah, no, I can 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:31.880 see that. Yeah, but like yes, a NASA reports they 0:12:31.960 --> 0:12:34.520 document this, and they refer to this stuff feeling as 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:38.280 quote is giving one quote new insights into the meaning 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:42.280 of life and the unity of mankind, right, and that 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:46.520 those are the implications that some people are trying to 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:49.280 apply to humanity as a whole. In a certain way, 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:53.240 which we'll talk about a little bit. But um, I 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:55.240 think that we want to look maybe a little bit 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:58.560 more at this feeling of euphoria and question a little 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:01.840 bit more, especially since you've already kind of talked about 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:04.680 this this release aspect of it and the fact that 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.120 it is a pattern that you know, it happens after 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:11.200 the following steps. So you've got to wonder if if 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:16.800 the euphoric feeling that they're experiencing isn't necessarily something from 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.760 beyond them, which is something usually the case that they 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:24.360 feel like this is um, not God so much, but 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.360 it's not a force outside of themselves that's that's acting 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:30.400 on them, is the general impression that I get. Yeah, 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:33.679 so you've got to kind of wonder if if this 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:37.160 isn't coming from inside um, if you look at their 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:41.079 brain as it changed a little bit, Um, are they 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:45.120 having this experience because of all those different conditions that 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:48.040 we talked about. Yeah, Like, like one thing that that 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:50.679 I found out when I was researching this is that 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:53.320 if you go you know, it's like spaces travel. You know, 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:55.640 when you go into space, you're traveling into an extreme environment, 0:13:55.880 --> 0:13:58.959 a very hostile environment, one where humans cannot really live 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:02.640 unless they bring a little encapsulations of their own environment 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.040 up with them. The same is true of the deep ocean, 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:09.600 where we have two different um um effects going on. 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.839 There's there's one effect called the rapture of the deep, 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:17.840 also more commonly known I guess as nitrogen narcosis, and 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.640 this starts hitting people out around a hundred feet below 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:24.480 sea level. It's also known as the Martini effect because 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:26.720 the idea is that you start feeling the effects of 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:31.280 one drink for every thirty three feet below sixty five feet. Yeah, 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:33.280 I think it's like it's been described as like as 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:36.520 a as a beer buzz that you experience UM. And 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:39.880 then another deep sea um condition that is often encountered 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:43.360 or occasional encountered anyway, is a hydrogen narcosis. And this 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:45.840 occurs if you in some people, if you hit a 0:14:45.880 --> 0:14:49.280 thousand feet below sea level four five minutes or more. 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:54.240 And with this you can get hallucinations, disorientation, confusion, UM 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:56.760 and and again these are these are very much you know, 0:14:56.840 --> 0:15:01.520 due to physiological conditions, right, so it could have it 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:05.520 could be a neurological event, right. Brown University for instance, 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.400 had a they've connected a four year study where They 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:11.280 gauge the possible effects of thin air on astronauts by 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:16.160 studying climbers who are ascending Mount Everest, which Mount Everest 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:18.520 is another one of these conditions, these situations where you're 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:21.640 you're entering a dangerous and extreme environment that people really, 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:25.160 you know, nobody, but healthwise nobody should really go to 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:28.120 the top of Mount Everest. It's it's it's not not 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:31.280 a good place. When you've been you're sharp, and you've 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:33.000 been in an environment and you've been doing it as 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:35.400 a young child, and you you've been lugging up like 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.360 Imax cameras your whole life, and and you know, all 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.200 sorts of stuff so that some you know, some American 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:43.680 dude from Vermont can stand on the top of the 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.000 mountain and pretend he did it all himself and then 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:49.120 he's like carrying me down. I can't breathe, but get 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:52.720 the picture hurried. But they found that low oxygen environments 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:56.080 can damage both the brains uh uh. And I'm gonna 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:59.920 say this completely wrong. If your glaubus palladis, which control 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:04.400 subconscious voluntary movements, um and uh and even the hit 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:07.560 the hippocampus. So the climbers in the study exhibited ended 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:13.720 up exhibiting decreased UM cognitive capacity, UM sentence comprehension fell 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:17.000 off during the ascent, and that one climber, noted in 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.720 the two thousand four report um even fell to his 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:23.120 death two days after being advised of his condition. So 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:26.880 again it's like suddenly you're you know, your voluntary your 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:30.720 subconscious voluntary movements are taking a hit. Not an ideal 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:34.960 situation while you're climbing Mount Everest, not for you want 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.840 to be in the old Martin game. And then there 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:40.320 was a two thousand and eight study in the European 0:16:40.440 --> 0:16:44.560 Journal of Neurology and they concluded that extremely high altitude 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:49.160 exposures can permanently damage brain regions involved in motor activity. 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:54.000 So so you know, based based on these studies, um, 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:56.880 you know, people in NASA, E, S A, etcetera. Are 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:01.000 really into the idea of having and of keeping these 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:04.440 uh you know, atmospheric monitors to keep an eye on 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:07.880 oxygen levels. Because just as you don't want decreased subconscious 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.800 voluntary movements, uh while you're climbing a mountain, you also 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:12.840 don't want it like while you're on a spacewalk or 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:14.840 while you're trying to like, you know, do some experiment 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:17.440 about tiny screws, right, and you also don't want people 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:19.280 to go nuts up there too. So I'm sure that 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:21.879 they've got invested interest in making sure that everybody is 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:25.960 psychologically safe and um, in fact, don't they have some 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:30.719 sort of virtual psychologist program? Yeah? Well yeah, they've been 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.199 working on it is because they would really like if 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:34.840 you've seen the movie Moon, I don't know if you 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:37.840 haven't seen that, Okay, well, the movie Moon, which are 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:43.240 Sam Rockwell, has this this robot computer voiced by Kevin 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.600 Spacey that kind of checks in with him and sees 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:48.119 how and you know, finds out how he's doing emotionally 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.320 and mentally throughout the picture. And that's exactly the kind 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:53.280 of thing NASA has been looking at, h and it 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:55.520 would it would it would basically be kind of like 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.520 you know these little personality tests you take online. It'd 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:00.320 be kind of like that you take that every few days, 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:03.920 and then the computer monitors you to see if you're 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:07.240 starting to exhibit signs of craziness. Okay, I can't help 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:09.680 think of like two thousand and one and like having 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:14.760 how's your's your psychologist? You know, hopefully that wouldn't happen. 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:17.560 I'm sure hopefully the computer would not go crazy, yeah 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:23.600 and start just messing with you. You're enough feelings so great? Um? Okay, 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:26.080 So I think all of these things are kind of 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:30.200 spelling out something, um about maybe it being more of 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:34.040 an internal thing, even though the hopes are that it 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.960 would be this Eufork feeling might be some sort of 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:46.240 universal truth about our unitedness as humanity. Not so eloquently, 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.600 but you know what I'm saying. I think on one level, 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:51.720 there's often tendency to to equate it more with you 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:55.640 just for spiritual awakening. But I think if we've examined here, 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:59.200 there's definitely a biological side to it, the end of 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:03.160 a grueling trip in an extreme environment, possibly some oxygen 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:06.560 issues going on. And then there's just the there's just 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.840 the blatant fact it's easy to overlook. Here you're in 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:12.440 space looking at the Earth. This is it's going to 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:16.359 mess with you. Yeah, it's an incredible experience by all accounts, right, 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:20.080 it's not. It's something that you can't really comprehend, right, 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:22.680 Like what that's outside of our understanding? Right? Like like 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.280 you yourself, have you ever encountered, like just seen a sight, 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:27.800 uh you know, be it a you know, a breath 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.160 taking vista or you know, or something in the sky 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:32.359 that's just really just blowing your mind. Yeah, I mean, 0:19:32.400 --> 0:19:34.440 I'm thinking about the Grand Canyon. I'm not trying to 0:19:34.520 --> 0:19:36.879 be little the experienced by saying it's like the Grand Canyon, 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:40.080 because like you just said, I mean, it's it's beyond 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:43.119 you know, our understandings. And you see something like that, 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:44.960 you see the Earth from a distance like that, and 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.480 you see the weather paddings patterns going on, you must 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:50.120 be like, oh my god, this this thing is beautiful. 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:52.600 And that's why astronauts like fall in love they go 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:55.520 gaga over Earth and just start thinking, oh, we're all one. 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:58.320 But you know, just on the smaller scale, I think 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:01.280 about the Grand Canyon. You look at it and it's 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.160 if it's something that you've never seen before, geological structure 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:05.680 like that, then all of a sudden you have a 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:09.600 completely different understanding of the earth underneath your feet, and 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:13.119 and you start to sort of reconsider the way. At 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:17.239 least that was my experience being there is understand um 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:21.040 humanity a little bit different, or even you just give 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:24.560 you a historical perspective. Yeah, like I think even it's 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:28.760 like take city dwellers for instance. I think any even, uh, 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:30.520 you know, we can get a slice of that cake 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:33.920 just by going suddenly finding going out to a a 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:36.800 rural setting or you know, going out into a some 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:40.320 sort of national park environment and suddenly you're just an 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:42.720 entirely different environment and you can be like, whoa, look 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:45.320 at this, there's nature happening all around me, and I've 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:48.440 you know, it's and you can suddenly feel this oneness 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:52.719 with with this the biodiversity in the system that's branching 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:55.600 out all around you. Yeah. I also think too about 0:20:55.880 --> 0:20:59.000 how and you and I had talked about this before, 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:01.399 about how sometimes you can come back from space and 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:03.720 you don't have that you fork feeling. In fact, you 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:08.480 feel anxious and fearful. Yeah. The studies by NASA, ESA, etcetera. 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:11.800 They also recognized that some people came back feeling a 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:14.960 little freaked out by the whole experience. Yeah, and it 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:18.960