1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Works dot Com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: I'm Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. And uh, you know, Julie, 4 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: I was just thinking the other day about how we're 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: just approaching fifty years of humans going into the space. 6 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: Like I think it's like like the next April, I 7 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: think is the is when we'll reach that point fifty 8 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: years of humans blasting up on the the tip of 9 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: control explosions, uh, into orbit, hanging out in microgravity and 10 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: then coming back and uh and and I in in 11 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: researching what we're gonna talk about today, I was I 12 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: was thinking, what if everybody who had come back from 13 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 1: space came back like just completely changed in terms of 14 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: their their their mental um, you know, outlook on life 15 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: and the universe um to the point where it was 16 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: just like you had space people returning to the planet. Well, 17 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 1: and you know my question is, aren't they completely changed? 18 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: I mean, wouldn't they just be inherently changed from that experience? Well, 19 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: at some level, I think they generally are. I mean 20 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: you hear people talk about like I was talking to 21 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: one of the Virgin Galactic dudes about the whole cell 22 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: on Virgin Galactic, which, of course Virgin Galactic is the 23 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: space tourist thing that's gonna eventually start here Richard Branson's 24 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: brain child. Yeah, I like how you just drop it? Yeah, 25 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: I was just talking to like the versus Ealactic you know, 26 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: well not I should out, I should Yeah. I was 27 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: talking about my seat on the flight, all right. I 28 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,919 Speaker 1: was not talking to Richard, just one of Richard alright, 29 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:38,919 Speaker 1: just to clarify, Yeah, but it was for an article. 30 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: It wasn't like we weren't hanging out, you know. But 31 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: but but I was asking him, like, you know about 32 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: the cell of you know, shooting people into space and 33 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: whether the what they were they were offering was gonna, 34 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: you know, really please people or if people would be like, 35 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: whoa what was that? That was whack? I was told 36 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: I was going to have a little more of a 37 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: space experience there, but these seats are awful. Yeah, but 38 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: he was like, no, it's gonna it's gonna deliver because 39 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: people go into space, and when they go into space, 40 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: that's something they talk about for the rest of their lives, 41 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: Like it becomes this defining experience, right finding moment of 42 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: their their life story. So yeah, so I think on 43 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: one level, yes, it does change people. But but the 44 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: big thing we're going to talk about today is the 45 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: is this thing called the overview effect, which entails or 46 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: at least at least it implies that there are greater 47 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: changes going on in uh in at least human outlook. Right. 48 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: And this is a relatively new term, right, the overview effect. Right. 49 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: It was described by Frank White, I believe, and he 50 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 1: was talking about this this um common thread that runs 51 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: through astronauts and their experience when they're out in space 52 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: and they just kind of look over their shoulder or 53 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: maybe they're making a repair or something, or they're space walking, yeah, 54 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: you know, just just as you would be doing on 55 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: the Moon, and they happen to look over at Earth 56 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: and then they're just blown away in this sense of euphoria. Yeah, 57 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 1: I'm picturing like a double take. You know. It's like alright, 58 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: preparing repairing the moon buggy, repairing the Moon buggy, and 59 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: you're sort of glancing like whoa, and then it just 60 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: all sinks in right, Right, And for a couple of 61 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,119 Speaker 1: these astronauts has been completely life changing. Yeah, And and 62 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: it's made them reconsider humanity, our role um on the 63 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: Earth and in the universe, and some interesting things have 64 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: come out of that. Yeah, there's a if you back 65 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: up a little bit too, uh to the nineteen fifties, 66 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: early nineteen fifties even uh, they had you had psychologists 67 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: studying aviation pilots, and they had something already called the 68 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: breakaway effect and and the and this was just generally 69 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: solo pilots flying at high altitudes having this experience where 70 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: they're they're just like like, whoa, they feel the strange 71 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: feeling of detachment from the Earth. Um, do you know, 72 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: Like I said, generally during solo missions, and it's kind 73 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: of this spiritual sensation. Yeah. Well, and I think um 74 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: to me that the most interesting part of this is 75 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: astronaut edgar Mitchell, and he described his his feelings about 76 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: the experience, which are really beautiful if you think about it. 77 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: He said that he was basically overwhelmed by the experience. 78 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: He became profoundly aware that each and every atom in 79 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: the universe was connected in some way, and on seeing 80 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: Earth from space, he had an understanding that all humans, animals, 81 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: and systems were part of the same thing, a synergistic whole. 82 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: It was an interconnected euphoria. Wow. Yeah, interconnected euphoria sounds 83 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 1: that sounds pretty intense. Yeah, So you look at that 84 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: experience and you start to consider it, and as scientists 85 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: and neuroscientists are starting to look at it, and and 86 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 1: you think, Okay, well, what happened right before they had 87 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: that Eufork experience? What are what are astronauts spacewalker? What 88 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: are these people experiencing, you know, proceeding that very moment, 89 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 1: like even the just the pilots into an airplanes that 90 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: aren't even going into space and there you're probably pulling 91 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: some serious g s and then you're you're looking out 92 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: at you know, perhaps the even the curvature of the 93 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: Earth or something. And I mean even those guys were 94 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: like they were using language like I felt like a god, 95 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:23,799 Speaker 1: or I felt like I was king of the Earth, 96 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: or even this weird thing where they were like I 97 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: wanted to just fly on forever. I didn't care if 98 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: there was any fuel, you know. So so, but then 99 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: taking it to the they had like a Thumma and 100 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: Louise moment. Yeah, yeah, where they just want to just 101 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 1: drive off the cliff of the universe, right off the cliff. Yeah. 102 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: So so when you're going into space, though, it's it's 103 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: that that more complicated a journey, you know, it's it's 104 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: a it's a lot more effort to actually, um leave 105 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: the atmosphere. So so yeah, the experiences of getting there 106 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: are definitely a little more taxing. Yeah. So, I mean 107 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: you have written about this before in a blog post 108 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: of about how being out in space kind of makes 109 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: you a little bit cranky. Yeah, and you talked about 110 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: stage one. Yeah. Stage one is, uh is a pretty 111 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: cool well, I mean they're all kind of cool and 112 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: kind of frightening. Um but but stage stage one is 113 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: basically like a twenty six drop in sleep efficiency, greater 114 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: reduced rapid eye movement and uh. And and essentially you 115 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: have dream deprivation. So you start feeling uncomfortable. You start 116 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: feeling sluggish in your work. You know, it's like if 117 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: you stay up all night and you know, pulling all night, 118 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: or then try to go to work the next day, 119 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: you know you're gonna feel a little slow. You you 120 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: may feel you know, a little cranky even and uh, 121 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: it's like the beginning of a road trip. Yeah. And 122 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: plus you're in space now, where suddenly your sense of 123 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 1: night and day is totally screwed up. Sleeping is a 124 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: different ordeal. Your stomachs all, you know, messed up. You're 125 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: having to take You're probably having to take a little 126 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: medication here and there to to regulate what's night and 127 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: what's day. Right, you're like the Elvis of the cosmos. Yeah, 128 00:06:55,120 --> 00:07:01,559 Speaker 1: exactly on your space toilet do you hopefully get off of? Yeah, 129 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: And so basically you're just sort of trying to acclimate 130 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: to the atmosphere you're in, the environment, you're in, the 131 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: people you're with. And then stage two that's sort of 132 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: like the honeymoon period, right. Yeah, Generally it's about six 133 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: weeks into a mission and you hit your stride um 134 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: and uh and and you you're generally gonna have six 135 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: additional weeks of having it all figured out. You got it, 136 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: you know, you got your patterns down. Your stomach, I 137 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: guess has has settled out a little and is not 138 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: going crazy at every little thing. You're you know, you 139 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: figured out that the most efficient way to go to 140 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: the restroom or I don't know, maybe you're you're still 141 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: in the mode where you can hold it. I don't 142 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: know how how long, Um, you know, a human can 143 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: actually um hold out. But if if you really wanted to, 144 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: maybe twelve twelve weeks, I don't know, Yeah, I don't know, 145 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: but that would be uncomfortable. I would say, that'd make 146 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: me cranky. And then stage three you start kind of 147 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: sniping with each other. Right, the honeymoon's over. Your your 148 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: crew members, your fellow crew members are driving you nuts. Yeah, 149 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: this is like I think like our five of a 150 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: of a terrestrial uh car trip of road trip, you know, 151 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: where suddenly everybody's a little bit cramped up a little 152 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,239 Speaker 1: too long here, you're getting a little a little short 153 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: with everyone, right, you want to listen to your music. Yeah, 154 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: And a lot of this they say is linked to 155 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: boredom and isolation obviously, you know. And but some of 156 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: the stuff was really interesting. They said that some of 157 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: the studies I was looking at, they said that you 158 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: could you'd have you know, increased sensitivity to loud noises, 159 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: changes in musical preference. So I guess suddenly, like you're 160 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: looking at your iPod, It's like, what was I thinking 161 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: bringing all this a C D C up here? All 162 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: I want to do is listen to pure moods. And 163 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: you're like yeah, yeah, so this is I mean, this 164 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: is a great reason to make sure that your MP 165 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: three players loaded down. Like, don't don't just put on 166 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: all the rock and music you're gonna need for those 167 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: first twelve weeks. Uh, you know, you're gonna want to 168 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: be prepared for the for maybe a little calm or 169 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: listening later on, ye bring some back up. And then 170 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: you've got stage four right so and and by the way, 171 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: so just to recap it, you've got fatigued stress, you're 172 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: feeling a little bit lonely, sensory deprivation, you've got some 173 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: bone mass loss going on, right, Um, poor oxygen at 174 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: at certain times, yes, they're they're you know, they have 175 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: sensors to regulate that. But you're you're probably countering some 176 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: some poor oxygen from time to time. You're also you 177 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:25,959 Speaker 1: can only clean yourself. So, I mean, I don't know 178 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 1: about the rest of you people out there, but if like, 179 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 1: camping for me is kind of an ordeal because if 180 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: I go like a day without taking a shower, I 181 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: just feel like I'm doing something wrong. Really. Yeah, like 182 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: in the summer, I'll take two or three if I 183 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: can get away with it in a day. I know, 184 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: that's not good for my skin. But man, there's nothing 185 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 1: like a shower to like just change your outlook on life. 186 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: I guess that means I would be well suited to 187 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: space travel. I don't mind the funk. Yeah, yeah, I 188 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: feel like it's it's a morning to others. Well, that's 189 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: the thing. It's so you're gonna have how you know, 190 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: a number of people in a in a very enclosed environment, 191 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 1: all using their funk as a warning to see this 192 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: is why this might be ideal for me, idea well 193 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: solo mission maybe yeah, okay, yeah, I don't know, you're right, 194 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: but so all these things are happening and uh and 195 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: then I kind of look at what stage four as 196 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: sort of the extreme teenage mode where you just get 197 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: super cranky because you know that the thing is going 198 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 1: to come to a close pretty soon. But is this 199 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: also when euphoria might set in? Yeah, this is when 200 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: you start getting this uh this one final symptom, and 201 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 1: it is quote prevailing feelings of euphoria. This is uh, 202 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: this this is you know, we're getting into the into 203 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 1: the overview effect territory here. This is linked to multiple 204 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: accounts from astronauts of of how their their mental state 205 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: is gone throughout a mission because you know NASA, UM, 206 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: you know any of these space programs that they're very 207 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: interested in the mental shape of their their astronauts before, during, 208 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: and after a trip. And so this is an established 209 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: pattern right here. So I think that's interesting to know 210 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: that you have to undergo all these different, uh see 211 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: changes in yourself before you get to experience you for you. 212 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: I think that guess that's a clue. Yeah, it's kind 213 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 1: of like, um, my wife and I often will try 214 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: and make this a Friday evening relaxation yoga thing, and 215 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: uh and it's generally I'm just exceedingly cranky when I 216 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: get there because I've just got just gotten home from working, 217 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: you know, and she's just gotten home, and we're putting 218 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 1: off having dinner till after yoga. So we're maybe a 219 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: little up. What I think is is known in scientific 220 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: circles as angry. This is when you're both hungry. You're 221 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: you're angry, but it's due to hunger issues, all right, 222 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 1: your blood sugar levels are not. Yeah, so we're a 223 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: little angry. We just you know, we've just been running 224 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: NonStop and now we're at yoga and you know, we 225 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: get in there and granted is you know, some calming 226 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: music and all, but then it's you know, start getting 227 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: into uncomfortable poses and and then it just makes me crankier. 228 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: And then there's a karate uh lesson going on in 229 00:11:57,280 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: the room next to it, so it's like I can't 230 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: relax with are you going on next door? But then 231 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: eventually at the very end after all this like karate 232 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: and and and uh and yoga, it's like we start 233 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: doing the relaxation mode, like I guess like an hour 234 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: and a half end, and then then you can actually relax, 235 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: so I kind of get that impression from from going 236 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: into space. At the long end of this arduous process, 237 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: suddenly all this in insight starts happening. So it's sort 238 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: of like a release. Yes, is your hypothesis well sort 239 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: of sort of my hypotheis yeah, yeah, no, I can 240 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: see that. Yeah, but like yes, a NASA reports they 241 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: document this, and they refer to this stuff feeling as 242 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: quote is giving one quote new insights into the meaning 243 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: of life and the unity of mankind, right, and that 244 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: those are the implications that some people are trying to 245 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: apply to humanity as a whole. In a certain way, 246 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: which we'll talk about a little bit. But um, I 247 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: think that we want to look maybe a little bit 248 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: more at this feeling of euphoria and question a little 249 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: bit more, especially since you've already kind of talked about 250 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: this this release aspect of it and the fact that 251 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: it is a pattern that you know, it happens after 252 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: the following steps. So you've got to wonder if if 253 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 1: the euphoric feeling that they're experiencing isn't necessarily something from 254 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: beyond them, which is something usually the case that they 255 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: feel like this is um, not God so much, but 256 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: it's not a force outside of themselves that's that's acting 257 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: on them, is the general impression that I get. Yeah, 258 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: so you've got to kind of wonder if if this 259 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: isn't coming from inside um, if you look at their 260 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 1: brain as it changed a little bit, Um, are they 261 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: having this experience because of all those different conditions that 262 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: we talked about. Yeah, Like, like one thing that that 263 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: I found out when I was researching this is that 264 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: if you go you know, it's like spaces travel. You know, 265 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: when you go into space, you're traveling into an extreme environment, 266 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 1: a very hostile environment, one where humans cannot really live 267 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: unless they bring a little encapsulations of their own environment 268 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: up with them. The same is true of the deep ocean, 269 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: where we have two different um um effects going on. 270 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 1: There's there's one effect called the rapture of the deep, 271 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: also more commonly known I guess as nitrogen narcosis, and 272 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: this starts hitting people out around a hundred feet below 273 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: sea level. It's also known as the Martini effect because 274 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: the idea is that you start feeling the effects of 275 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: one drink for every thirty three feet below sixty five feet. Yeah, 276 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: I think it's like it's been described as like as 277 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: a as a beer buzz that you experience UM. And 278 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: then another deep sea um condition that is often encountered 279 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: or occasional encountered anyway, is a hydrogen narcosis. And this 280 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: occurs if you in some people, if you hit a 281 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: thousand feet below sea level four five minutes or more. 282 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: And with this you can get hallucinations, disorientation, confusion, UM 283 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: and and again these are these are very much you know, 284 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: due to physiological conditions, right, so it could have it 285 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: could be a neurological event, right. Brown University for instance, 286 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: had a they've connected a four year study where They 287 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: gauge the possible effects of thin air on astronauts by 288 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: studying climbers who are ascending Mount Everest, which Mount Everest 289 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: is another one of these conditions, these situations where you're 290 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: you're entering a dangerous and extreme environment that people really, 291 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: you know, nobody, but healthwise nobody should really go to 292 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: the top of Mount Everest. It's it's it's not not 293 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: a good place. When you've been you're sharp, and you've 294 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: been in an environment and you've been doing it as 295 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: a young child, and you you've been lugging up like 296 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: Imax cameras your whole life, and and you know, all 297 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: sorts of stuff so that some you know, some American 298 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: dude from Vermont can stand on the top of the 299 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: mountain and pretend he did it all himself and then 300 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: he's like carrying me down. I can't breathe, but get 301 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: the picture hurried. But they found that low oxygen environments 302 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: can damage both the brains uh uh. And I'm gonna 303 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: say this completely wrong. If your glaubus palladis, which control 304 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: subconscious voluntary movements, um and uh and even the hit 305 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: the hippocampus. So the climbers in the study exhibited ended 306 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: up exhibiting decreased UM cognitive capacity, UM sentence comprehension fell 307 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: off during the ascent, and that one climber, noted in 308 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: the two thousand four report um even fell to his 309 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: death two days after being advised of his condition. So 310 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: again it's like suddenly you're you know, your voluntary your 311 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: subconscious voluntary movements are taking a hit. Not an ideal 312 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: situation while you're climbing Mount Everest, not for you want 313 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: to be in the old Martin game. And then there 314 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: was a two thousand and eight study in the European 315 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: Journal of Neurology and they concluded that extremely high altitude 316 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: exposures can permanently damage brain regions involved in motor activity. 317 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: So so you know, based based on these studies, um, 318 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: you know, people in NASA, E, S A, etcetera. Are 319 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: really into the idea of having and of keeping these 320 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: uh you know, atmospheric monitors to keep an eye on 321 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 1: oxygen levels. Because just as you don't want decreased subconscious 322 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: voluntary movements, uh while you're climbing a mountain, you also 323 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: don't want it like while you're on a spacewalk or 324 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: while you're trying to like, you know, do some experiment 325 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: about tiny screws, right, and you also don't want people 326 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: to go nuts up there too. So I'm sure that 327 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: they've got invested interest in making sure that everybody is 328 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: psychologically safe and um, in fact, don't they have some 329 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:30,719 Speaker 1: sort of virtual psychologist program? Yeah? Well yeah, they've been 330 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 1: working on it is because they would really like if 331 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: you've seen the movie Moon, I don't know if you 332 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: haven't seen that, Okay, well, the movie Moon, which are 333 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: Sam Rockwell, has this this robot computer voiced by Kevin 334 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: Spacey that kind of checks in with him and sees 335 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: how and you know, finds out how he's doing emotionally 336 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: and mentally throughout the picture. And that's exactly the kind 337 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: of thing NASA has been looking at, h and it 338 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: would it would it would basically be kind of like 339 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: you know these little personality tests you take online. It'd 340 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: be kind of like that you take that every few days, 341 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: and then the computer monitors you to see if you're 342 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: starting to exhibit signs of craziness. Okay, I can't help 343 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: think of like two thousand and one and like having 344 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: how's your's your psychologist? You know, hopefully that wouldn't happen. 345 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure hopefully the computer would not go crazy, yeah 346 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: and start just messing with you. You're enough feelings so great? Um? Okay, 347 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: So I think all of these things are kind of 348 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 1: spelling out something, um about maybe it being more of 349 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: an internal thing, even though the hopes are that it 350 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: would be this Eufork feeling might be some sort of 351 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: universal truth about our unitedness as humanity. Not so eloquently, 352 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: but you know what I'm saying. I think on one level, 353 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: there's often tendency to to equate it more with you 354 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: just for spiritual awakening. But I think if we've examined here, 355 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: there's definitely a biological side to it, the end of 356 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: a grueling trip in an extreme environment, possibly some oxygen 357 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: issues going on. And then there's just the there's just 358 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: the blatant fact it's easy to overlook. Here you're in 359 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: space looking at the Earth. This is it's going to 360 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: mess with you. Yeah, it's an incredible experience by all accounts, right, 361 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: it's not. It's something that you can't really comprehend, right, 362 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: Like what that's outside of our understanding? Right? Like like 363 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: you yourself, have you ever encountered, like just seen a sight, 364 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: uh you know, be it a you know, a breath 365 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: taking vista or you know, or something in the sky 366 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: that's just really just blowing your mind. Yeah, I mean, 367 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the Grand Canyon. I'm not trying to 368 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: be little the experienced by saying it's like the Grand Canyon, 369 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: because like you just said, I mean, it's it's beyond 370 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: you know, our understandings. And you see something like that, 371 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: you see the Earth from a distance like that, and 372 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: you see the weather paddings patterns going on, you must 373 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 1: be like, oh my god, this this thing is beautiful. 374 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: And that's why astronauts like fall in love they go 375 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: gaga over Earth and just start thinking, oh, we're all one. 376 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: But you know, just on the smaller scale, I think 377 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: about the Grand Canyon. You look at it and it's 378 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,160 Speaker 1: if it's something that you've never seen before, geological structure 379 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: like that, then all of a sudden you have a 380 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: completely different understanding of the earth underneath your feet, and 381 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: and you start to sort of reconsider the way. At 382 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:17,239 Speaker 1: least that was my experience being there is understand um 383 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: humanity a little bit different, or even you just give 384 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: you a historical perspective. Yeah, like I think even it's 385 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: like take city dwellers for instance. I think any even, uh, 386 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: you know, we can get a slice of that cake 387 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: just by going suddenly finding going out to a a 388 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: rural setting or you know, going out into a some 389 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: sort of national park environment and suddenly you're just an 390 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 1: entirely different environment and you can be like, whoa, look 391 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: at this, there's nature happening all around me, and I've 392 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: you know, it's and you can suddenly feel this oneness 393 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,719 Speaker 1: with with this the biodiversity in the system that's branching 394 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: out all around you. Yeah. I also think too about 395 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: how and you and I had talked about this before, 396 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: about how sometimes you can come back from space and 397 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: you don't have that you fork feeling. In fact, you 398 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: feel anxious and fearful. Yeah. The studies by NASA, ESA, etcetera. 399 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: They also recognized that some people came back feeling a 400 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: little freaked out by the whole experience. Yeah, and it 401 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: kind of makes me think of LSD and tripping. Yeah, 402 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: you hear. It's you know, it's kind of like you 403 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: have the classic stories, especially the ones that were were 404 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: that showed up in different films aimed at young people 405 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 1: in the sixties, where people freak out and you know, 406 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: try and force themselves through a keyhole and jump out 407 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: of a window, and then you have appeal themselves because 408 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,959 Speaker 1: they think they're an orange Oh yeah, yeah, that kind 409 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: of thing. And then the other sort of traditional, you know, 410 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: hippie sort of thing where people you know, take this 411 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,959 Speaker 1: and then feel totally in touch with the universe. Right 412 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,959 Speaker 1: the doors of perception fly open and you're suddenly your 413 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: terence from kinda yeah, and you're you're communing with aliens 414 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 1: and so on and so forth. Now speaking of aliens, um, 415 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing. Sometimes you come back from 416 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: from from space, then you experienced the overview effect and 417 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: you you found what kind of sounds like a religion, right, yeah, 418 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: sometimes you do, and perhaps that's the hinky part of it, 419 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: right yeah, tell us about about this, all right. So 420 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: you come back and your name is Edgar Mitchell, and 421 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: you had that experience that we talked about um where 422 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: he was basically saying he felt this oneness and you 423 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: feel like you've got to do something about it, and 424 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: so you start noetic science, or what it would be 425 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: the seeds for noetic science, which I think is the 426 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: Institute of Noetic Sciences, I believe, and you really try 427 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: to take that philosophy, that overwhelming feeling that we all 428 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: are part of one system and apply it to human 429 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: consciousness by using science. So it's interesting. It's a great proposition. 430 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: I mean, who wouldn't want us to all become better 431 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: human beings through Yeah. The problem is I think that 432 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,879 Speaker 1: you know, I know, is that some of the some 433 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: of the studies that they're carrying out you have to 434 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: be a little bit skeptical about. And that would be 435 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: like healing three distances for instance. So if you know 436 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: I've got cancer and I've got a group of Buddhist 437 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: monks praying for me on the other side of the ocean, Um, 438 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: that might somehow affect my ability to heal myself. Well 439 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a specious argument, you know. 440 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: It's Um that's where you kind of look at the 441 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: message and you think, Okay, I love the message, but 442 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that we can actually translate this into 443 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: stuff that's going to be practical for us, right or 444 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: certainly if it's a even if it's a you know, 445 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: a great practical message, it doesn't mean we necessarily need 446 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: to prop it up with science. I mean science. I 447 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: mean it's when things are kind of like of a 448 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: spiritual religious nature. I'm more of the mindset like, don't 449 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: try and prove that with science. I mean, you've it's 450 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: its own thing, right, Yeah, to embrace it for what 451 00:23:58,600 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: it is and just say you know what it is. 452 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: I mean, not that it was a personal experience mistake, 453 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: though I'm totally fine with with scientific explorations of religious claims. 454 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: That's totally valid. Yeah. And I think you and I 455 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: discuss this before, to you that it seems like this 456 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: is such a personal perspective that it's hard to create 457 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: something so personal when through one one's own filter and 458 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: apply it in a universal way. But you know, I 459 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: think that it's really interesting what they're trying to explore 460 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: with this. And in fact, Andy Newburgh, he's a neuroscientist 461 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: and he's got some experience in space medicine. He's hoping 462 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: to find out whether there is an actual psychological phenomenon 463 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: by scanning the brain pre impost space travel. So I 464 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: don't I haven't been able to find any follow up 465 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: information on that whether or not he's been successful in 466 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: doing so, but I think that's the first line of 467 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: trying to apply some science to it to see what 468 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: is actually happening in the brain. Well, it seems it 469 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: seems perfectly valid because we've discussed before how like taking 470 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: having a year of piano lessons can can change your brain. 471 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: You know, So if piano lessons can can change your brain, 472 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,479 Speaker 1: which and I took piano lessons and I remember very 473 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: little of it, I imagine something as memorable as a 474 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: trip into orbit would would rearrange your thinking a bit. 475 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, change you forever. Um. And then do you 476 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 1: also have the Overview Effect Institute and they actually want 477 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 1: to try to reproduce this at a level that everybody 478 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: could experience it. So um, they're kind of thinking about 479 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: it as some some sort of video iPod like device 480 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: that could deliver a dose of overview effect and let 481 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: everyone experience that euphoria. So just like it would be 482 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: kind of like watching two thousand one on Imax or 483 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: something that's their whole thing perhaps, or trying to maybe 484 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: recreate that that sense of wonder and that sort of again, 485 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: that that ocean neck feeling of oneness, which I would 486 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: sign up for that. Yeah, yeah, you couldn't douce that 487 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 1: this presentation is brought to you by Intel sponsors of tomorrow. Yeah, 488 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: I can't help. But wonder if if we reach the 489 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 1: point where where we decide, yeah, it's sending people into 490 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: space totally changes the way you look at the world, 491 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: makes you a more spiritual person or something. Uh, you know, 492 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: might we reached the point where we're taking criminals and 493 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: miscreans and instead of sending them into prisons or even 494 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: like you know, terrestrial rehabilitation programs, we just start shooting 495 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: them into space. I mean not I mean men bringing 496 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: them back, that's key, but but yeah, shooting them up 497 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: on Virgin galactic you know, um, you know, eight at 498 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: a time, they all come back and they're instantly enlightened. 499 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: So I don't think that will happen, but it's a 500 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: beautiful idea. Did you talk to Richard Branson's guy about that? 501 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: I did not. I should have asked him if this 502 00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: is I wish I thought to I could be like, hey, 503 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: are there any plans to uh to fill any of 504 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: these early flights up with with murderers and they would 505 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 1: probably said no, probably not. I think they'd have to 506 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: change their name too. I don't know. Virgin galactic miscreants. Yeah, 507 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: because I because I imagine the you know, the early 508 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: flights are all going to be you know, celebrities and 509 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: you know, self made millionaires and billionaires, so they're probably 510 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: not gonna want to sit next to people that are 511 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: in chains. Well, so that's kind of not fair. Do 512 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: they do they all get to be shot up into 513 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: space and then become enlightened? Is that? Is that what 514 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: we're I'm hoping, like, I'm really you know, they don't. 515 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: They don't release the info about who has has purchased 516 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: tickets unless the person who has purchased the ticket or 517 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,080 Speaker 1: reserved the tickets is actually outspoken about it. And I 518 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: really am looking forward to the first um uh rapper 519 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: hip hop artist that goes into space, experiences the overview effect, 520 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 1: and then comes back and shares that with the world 521 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: through music. That's gonna be amazing. That's gonna be the 522 00:27:55,640 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 1: best rapping. Yeah, I'm really hoping. It's ludicrous. So you're 523 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: listening book that flight? Man? That's right? Man? Okay, So 524 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: do we have any listener mail? Seems like our inbox 525 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: has been busy lately. Yes, I received a cool email 526 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: from a listener by the name of Ann, and she 527 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: had a few thoughts about our our our podcast, Our 528 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: Creatures Are Sleeping, which dealt with everything from unihmistteric sleep 529 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: to what our cats are are doing when they're laying 530 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: there in funny shapes and uh and she pointed pointed out. 531 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 1: She said, quote, h if you haven't checked out, Mike 532 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: bro Brickly is um interview on NPR, and she gave 533 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: a link. He has rapid eye movement behavior disorder and 534 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: once ran out of a second story window of a 535 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: hotel while asleep. He's also a great comedian and just 536 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: wrote a book called Sleepwalk to Me and other painfully 537 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: true stories. And I don't know, I don't know if 538 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: you've listened to Mike Prickly any He's got a awful Yeah. 539 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: I mean it's comedy gold, but it's awful. Yeah, it's 540 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: worth he's worth looking up. He also has been featured 541 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: on the Moth podcast, which is like storytelling, you know, 542 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: situations and uh and and I think also in this 543 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: American Life but but yeah, he suffers from this really 544 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: kind of horrible sleep um disturbance and uh and has 545 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: a humorous outlook on it even though he's doing things 546 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: like leaping through glass windows and having to explain to 547 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: hotel clerks that he's quote like the Hulk, and then 548 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: then getting checked into the hospital. But but I found 549 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: that amusing, and so I think and for bringing that 550 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: to our attention. Also received some cool thoughts about our 551 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: Inside Out People podcasts. When we discussed uh aversion yeah 552 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: and um, we had a listener by the name of 553 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: Keith who pointed out that there's a Mythbufters episode on 554 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: differential pressure and diving suits. So that's where checking out 555 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: if you want a little more UH things or people 556 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: possibly but not really turning inside out. And and we 557 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: also discussed cartoons, right and how I was a little 558 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: shocked that there were so many like children's cartoons where 559 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: people um or animals turn inside out. Yeah, where your 560 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: fear of being turned inside out was manifested. Yeah. And 561 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: we had a listener by the name of Brad who 562 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: who pointed out on our Facebook page that in SpongeBob 563 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: square Pants there is a character named squid Word and 564 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: he becomes turned in inside out at one point. And 565 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: the interesting thing about this is the creator of SpongeBob 566 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: is he has a background in marine biology, so it 567 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: makes total sense that that would pop up at some 568 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,239 Speaker 1: point during that shows a long run, because the thing 569 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: is we discussed in the podcast, things that live in 570 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: the ocean are just always averting themselves, like cucumbers who 571 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: have nine d or no like a thousand high qu 572 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: dedicated to them. Yes, in Japanese culture, sharks that vomit 573 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: up their stomach like a like somebody turning their pocket 574 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: inside out to get a little rid of limp. 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