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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth and Lazar.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody nailed it, Joined as always by our bar Gas.

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Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex bars.

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Speaker 2: But another team's coach on the downs l In.

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Speaker 1: A coach that comes from the Shanahan mcveag tree. Nonetheless,

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Speaker 1: sort of.

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Speaker 2: I'm not ready to claim. I'm he worked for Sean

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Speaker 2: McVeigh for like two years.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm sorry. If you're gonna do this, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: do this.

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Speaker 2: Because he doesn't he doesn't run the system. He doesn't

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Speaker 2: run the system. He comes from the tree. Evan, this

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Speaker 2: is one of your guys, Zach Taylor. We look at

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Speaker 2: the care when I say this, Zach Taylor. Yeah, bum.

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Speaker 2: I feel like maybe we got a little bit over

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Speaker 2: our skis with calling the Bengals coach of bum at

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Speaker 2: one to know it was.

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Speaker 1: No, no, we didn't know. We do not no no

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Speaker 1: no no no no no no. Do not backtrack on that.

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Speaker 2: Backtrack be accountable, Evan, I'm not back to be accountable.

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Speaker 2: I'm not back that people.

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Speaker 1: Heard our conversation.

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Speaker 2: We we we were one hundred percent right about what

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Speaker 2: we said about Zach Taylor. With that being said, coming

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Speaker 2: into this show here today, I have some gripes with

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Speaker 2: the Patriots coaching staff the same way that I did

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Speaker 2: with Zach Taylor. So I just want to be fair,

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Speaker 2: all right, A fair is fair right now. At that

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Speaker 2: being said, you were late and that's why we're late,

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Speaker 2: and I when one of us is late, we can't

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Speaker 2: not call out each other, is true, So I don't

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Speaker 2: want to spend too much time. I was sad that

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Speaker 2: you were late, but I do want to explain to

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Speaker 2: the great listeners out there.

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Speaker 1: I got when I left the house, I was watching

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Speaker 1: the traffic and it said like three forty five, three

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Speaker 1: I don't know what is something on ninety three. But yes,

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Speaker 1: that is why we are late. But as a treat again,

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Speaker 1: I think the people got to hear me mad at

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Speaker 1: myself before the show.

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Speaker 2: Well that's good because you were late, so that people

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Speaker 2: should know that. Anyways, let's get into it. Evan was

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Speaker 2: our Alex Barth because he didn't know for like already

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Speaker 2: talking for ten minutes, Patriots catch twenty two. Here with

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Speaker 2: you for the next couple of hours. We've got to

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Speaker 2: end a little bit early today just because we have

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Speaker 2: to get out to practice. Weird schedule today with the

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Speaker 2: Thursday night game, so practice is at six pm. It's

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Speaker 2: gonna be a one hour light walkthrough style practice, but

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Speaker 2: there are gonna be We're gonna be able to take

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Speaker 2: attendance and do our usual thing out there. No Evan

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Speaker 2: is back from practice though, because of the weird schedule

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Speaker 2: and that we need.

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Speaker 1: Evan is on the way to practice.

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Speaker 1: I mean I think a lot of people say Toyotada,

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Speaker 1: New England, right, Like, did you put the emphasis on

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Speaker 2: so I want to start while looking back on the

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Speaker 2: Seahawks game, and then we will obviously talk about the

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Speaker 2: the Jets uniform, which is I'm looking forward to it.

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Speaker 2: It's got a little bit of juice. It's a Thursday

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Speaker 2: night game, it's a primetime game. We don't have a

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Speaker 2: ton of those this year, so it's nice. It's gonna

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Speaker 2: spend the first hour here or so talking about the Seahawks,

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Speaker 2: and I have two big picture takeaways off the top,

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Speaker 2: and then we're gonna talk about each one of them separately. Okay,

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Speaker 2: all right, Defensively, the way I came out of this

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Speaker 2: On the offensive side of the ball is the lack

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Speaker 2: wide receiver production. Certainly in the passing game. It's a concern.

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Speaker 2: It's an issue that needs to be either addressed or

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Speaker 2: this team is likely for another top ten draft pick.

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Speaker 2: Let's just face it, like, if they can't find ways

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: With that being said, I came out of watching the

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Speaker 2: film from this game yesterday and dissecting this game on

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Speaker 2: Sunday feeling a little bit more concerned about the defense

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Speaker 2: when the offense, simply because my expectations on the defensive

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Speaker 2: side of the ball were much higher and this team's

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Speaker 2: success or failure rides a lot more on the defense

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Speaker 2: doing its thing than the offense. The offense, for all

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Speaker 2: intents and purposes, kind of played their game in this game.

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Speaker 2: And I know saying that with one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised you're saying this. This is usually the kind

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Speaker 2: It is, but I have to adjust. I have to

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Speaker 2: be malleable. I have to adjust to the fact that

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Speaker 2: this is how they're going to try to win football

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Speaker 2: games right now until probably next offseason of the season

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Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. They hit a lot

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Speaker 2: The defense just gave up twenty three points. And as

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Speaker 2: you should be able to win a game twenty four

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Speaker 2: is that they need their defense to be what carries

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Speaker 2: them in these football games along with their running game. Offensively,

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Speaker 2: the running game did its part. Defensively, you just can't

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Speaker 2: watching the film back, I think two things that really

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Speaker 2: Week one, they got caught in a lot of those

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Speaker 2: So it's not even just straight man to man zero

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Speaker 2: It's a mental error that leads to this big play.

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Speaker 2: And lastly, if you watch the play, Kyle duggers on

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Speaker 2: Kyle duggers on the outside, a safety on the boundary.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to bring up where I felt this way,

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Speaker 2: you have guys playing in weird spots all to try

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Speaker 2: reason you want Gonzo to travel inside with Metcalf looks

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Speaker 2: like man to man every single time he does that.

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Speaker 2: Then sometimes it might be zoned, sometimes it might be man,

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Speaker 2: And that's how you can try to confuse quarterbacks. Felt

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Speaker 2: like in this game, Gino Smith was not confused at all.

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Speaker 2: He was a step ahead. And the last playof'll just

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Speaker 2: Joshua Ouce, your two best pass rushers are twenty yards

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Speaker 1: And they end up on I think that's what where

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Speaker 1: they ended up on Metcalf, Right, they end up on

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Speaker 1: JSN and it was in the field. There was another

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Speaker 1: one where they ended up on metcalf, Yeah, which is

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Speaker 1: also you know how I feel about the d go

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Speaker 2: I'm all for a good a good spin the dial,

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Speaker 2: like I I look, that's what the type of things

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Speaker 2: that's we love to break those types of plays down

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Speaker 2: when they were right, Like, oh, look at this insane

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Speaker 2: simulated pressure creeper pressure that the Patriots ran where they

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Speaker 2: gena Like if it works, it's awesome. Right when it

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Speaker 2: doesn't work, it's not. And the just to wrap it

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Speaker 2: up the point what I've the way that they're playing

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Speaker 2: on an offense where when you're volatile with deep ball

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Speaker 2: one hundred times like the old Bruce arians Tampa offenses

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Speaker 2: with Jameis Winston. Uh, this is that. But on the

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Speaker 2: up three hundred and thirty yards to Gino Smith. And

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Speaker 2: there's like no in between on those two things.

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Speaker 1: So I would say, first off, and I know nobody

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Speaker 1: wants to hear this, but you gotta, to an extent

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Speaker 1: just tip your captain Gino Smith.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he was good.

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Speaker 1: He was really good. You know, he gets paid to

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Speaker 1: not just understanding what the Patriots are doing rotating the coverages,

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Speaker 1: but he he was under pressure a ton. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: he he was great under pressure. He was excellent under pressure,

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Speaker 1: taking hits, getting throws off through contact, things like that.

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Speaker 1: He was He was really good in this game. But

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. I think they got a little too

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Speaker 1: complex for their own good. There's the miscommunication on the

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Speaker 1: big touchdown. I don't need Keon White dropping in the coverage.

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Speaker 1: I get it. They don't. They don't want to be

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Speaker 1: too predictable that that guy can rush. They did this

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Speaker 1: with Judon, they did it going back to Trey Flowers

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Speaker 1: manning up prime le'von bell in like twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's a a It's not like he

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Speaker 2: I don't need to take a victory lap on it.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to excuse Jacoby and be like it's

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Speaker 1: He's the one throwing the ball. But I don't if

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's I want to put him into buckets.

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Speaker 2: We knew it coming into the season. This in past protection.

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Speaker 2: This is I wouldn't say it's worse than I expected.

435
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Speaker 2: But it's as bad as I expected.

436
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Speaker 1: Oh wait, when you said Cleveland was second, were you

437
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Speaker 1: going off total number pressures? No, Cleveland was first in

438
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 1: terms of rate when I just checked, okay, because they

439
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:47,280
Speaker 1: have Cleveland second for total number of pressures but fifth

440
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 1: for pressure rate. It's Levis Persett, Caleb.

441
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 2: Williams, Justin Fields, DeShawn Watson in the top five, right,

442
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 2: and a lot of those quarterbacks and Jacoby, I guess

443
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 2: is we'll get to this in a second, is maybe

444
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Speaker 2: in this category. But like guys like Fields, like those

445
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 2: guys are known to hold the football forever. Like That's

446
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 2: a big knock on their games, is how long they

447
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 2: hold the ball. Offensive line, we just rattled off with

448
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 2: the numbers. The numbers are not pretty. They're not doing

449
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 2: a good enough job. The biggest thing that I see too,

450
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 2: and I keep saying that's not going to rephrase, the

451
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 2: most egregious mistake that I see right now at the

452
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 2: offensive line is that they are dialing up some shot

453
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 2: plays in certain situations that they just can't even get

454
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 2: it blocked long enough for the play to have a

455
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 2: chance to work. And they've actually generated especially in this

456
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 2: game against Seattle, they had a few chances that receivers

457
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 2: were uncovering down the field for them to take a shot,

458
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 2: but it wasn't there because of the pass protection. The

459
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 2: other thing I would just mention is that there's so

460
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:55,440
Speaker 2: many dropbacks where Brisset's on his initial read. He looks

461
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,679
Speaker 2: to come off the initial read as soon as he

462
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,800
Speaker 2: comes from one to two, he's already under pressure, so

463
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 2: two doesn't even become an option, not to even calculate, Well,

464
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 2: what happens if he would get all the way to

465
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 2: three and three is wide open and now we can't

466
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 2: get the ball out. So so much of that is

467
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 2: happening where his progressions. And I've been nippicky about his

468
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 2: progression speed, and I do think that he can speed

469
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 2: up his internal clock a little bit to help, but

470
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 2: in general, like you see so many times where all

471
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 2: right in his drop he's looking left, he gets to

472
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 2: the top of his job, left isn't there. He comes

473
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 2: back to the middle of the field, boom, and it's

474
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 2: like almost.

475
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 1: How many times too? And I'll say this, I honestly

476
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 1: think it could look worse because he's wiggled his way

477
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,439
Speaker 1: out of a number of stacks.

478
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 2: He's been pressures, been twenty seven times, only been sacked four.

479
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Speaker 1: He's been really good in the pocket, yeah, really good.

480
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: But part of what comes with that is you start

481
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 1: running all right, well, now half the field's out of play.

482
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and are.

483
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: There times where maybe not even just getting through the

484
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: progressions but well, I guess it is getting through the progressions.

485
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: But like guys open on the left side, but he

486
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 1: has to roll right out of pressure and now it's

487
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: just an unrealistic throw for him to make.

488
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's not he doesn't have Drake May, Patrick Mahomes,

489
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 2: Josh Allen arm talent where he's just gonna off platform

490
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 2: and throw forty yards down the field. So that's a

491
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 2: big part of it too. But he had a really

492
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 2: nice play, two really nice plays early in this game.

493
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Speaker 2: I watched the first quarter of the film of this game.

494
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 2: I was like, he's kind of low key dealing for

495
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 2: a little bit there was playing well yeah, yeah, I

496
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 2: think you know the big part of this, and we

497
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 2: can get to this with your AVP PO. When the

498
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 2: scripted plays, yeah, going okay, once they kind of get

499
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: out of that script the first twenty to twenty five plays,

500
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 2: it's sustaining it for four quarters. That becomes a real concern.

501
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,400
Speaker 2: The other thing I would just mention with the line

502
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Speaker 2: I want to talk a little bit about on WHENU

503
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 2: The biggest thing that I see with on when wu

504
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 2: out at tackle is that he plays with a really,

505
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 2: really short corner. And what that means is is that

506
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 2: on his third step in his past set, he doesn't

507
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 2: get enough depth in his past set to cut off

508
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 2: the angle to the quarterback. So instead of making the

509
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 2: rusher go the long way home, the rusher has got

510
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: a straight or a more straight path to the QB.

511
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 2: And we've talked about this a little bit with Wallace

512
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: on his college tape in this game against Seattle on

513
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 2: when he was opening early with his hips, so he'd

514
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: kick out with his first two steps. Then his third

515
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 2: step is swinging the gate open like he goes straight

516
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 2: back and you see his body go from like this

517
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 2: to like this. Right, he just swings the gate open.

518
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 2: And when you swing the gate open like that, now

519
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: you have a soft corner. He just goes right through

520
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: your outside shoulder and he's in the backfield. That is

521
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 2: usually something that tackles do when they feel threatened to

522
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: buy speed and like they don't feel like they can

523
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 2: get out fast enough out of their stance to get

524
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 2: out to a guy to cut off the corner. That

525
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 2: that speaks to the fact that he just doesn't have

526
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 2: the tackle footwork to be out in that much space

527
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: on an island. That's why I've always felt like he's

528
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: a better guard. This is not This is not the

529
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 2: worst game I've ever seen him play at tackle. He

530
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: was worse against Khalil Mack last year against the Chargers,

531
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 2: and he might have been worse against TJ.

532
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: Watt.

533
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: Now those are two really, really good players, don't get

534
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 2: me wrong, but this is about par for the course

535
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,959
Speaker 2: for on Wenu when he plays tackle and he doesn't

536
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 2: have one of his better games like this is what

537
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: it looks like in pass protection for him when he

538
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 2: plays like this. So I'm not surprised at all by

539
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 2: this performance by on Wnu. And it seemed like it

540
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: got worse when the game went on, which might speak

541
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 2: to conditioning and getting late there in the fourth quarter

542
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 2: in overtime. For a big guy at three hundred and

543
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: forty three hundred and forty five pounds to be out

544
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 2: there dancing with pass rushers for four and a half quarters,

545
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 2: that that that can take a toll on a guy

546
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 2: like that. I felt like a lot of the pressures

547
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: happened late for him as well.

548
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would agree with all that.

549
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm curious because I was gonna go in a

550
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 2: different direction with my second bucket. Yeah, I'm curious about

551
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 2: your AVP buckets, So give me that.

552
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: So, I mean, it's a couple of things. One is

553
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: the some of the decision making in terms of the

554
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: individual play calling the end of the first half. It

555
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: didn't make sense to me. Yeah, it didn't make sense.

556
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,719
Speaker 1: And I don't know how much that's on him, how

557
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: much that's on Mayo yep. But you basically have two

558
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: options there, right. You either push the ball down the field,

559
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: and you understand, all right, if we if this doesn't work, SEEHL,

560
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: it's gonna get the ball back with time and so

561
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: be it. But we want to be aggressing at points

562
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 1: on the board. The other option is we're just gonna

563
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: run the ball. Either take this thing to the half,

564
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,959
Speaker 1: or if Seattle starts calling it time, it's timeouts. They

565
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: get the ball back with either thirty seconds left or

566
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: with no timeouts and probably about a minute left. Right,

567
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: So what they did instead was run on first down,

568
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: then take like twenty seconds off the clock. Everyone for

569
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: mital gain, take like twenty seconds off the clock, then

570
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: start throwing. So instead, Seattle now gets the ball back

571
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: with all three timeouts and with time not to mention

572
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: the twenty five yard punt return. Special teams kind of

573
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: low it. They're like, you need to be more decisive,

574
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: you need to be more decisive in that moment. I

575
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: didn't like the third and six play call on the sack.

576
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: Traditional drop back there when you haven't been able to

577
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: block all game. I not against throwing the ball overall.

578
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: It is third and six, but I just keep waiting

579
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: for the jet pass or the end around or something

580
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: for Pop Douglas to get him going. They ran a

581
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: reverse to Jalen Pulp which went for no yard. It's like,

582
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: where's Pop Douglas on that play?

583
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 3: Right?

584
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: I didn't like the call in overtime on the third down.

585
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: I was okay with them punting it, especially because you

586
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: know Ivan, I always say this, I don't care about

587
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: the math.

588
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 2: On fourth down. The decision to go for it is.

589
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: Only as good as your play call going for it

590
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: just because you think it's the moment to go for it.

591
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: If you don't believe in your play, doesn't make sense.

592
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: They come out with something really unique on third and one,

593
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: they try to go off balance line, can't line it upright,

594
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: try to go on balanced line, can't get one yard

595
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: on a day they were running the ball, well, I

596
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,719
Speaker 1: can't imagine they felt good in that situation, which I'd understand.

597
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: But also, do we have something better on third and

598
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: one than an unbalanced line on a day we're running

599
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: for five and a half yards of carry and Ramandra

600
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: Stevenson's feeling it? So some stuff like that, and then you,

601
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: I actually want to ask you this because you would

602
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: understand this better than me. And you talked about the

603
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: progressions before. Yeah, who in this offense? Who sets the

604
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: order of the progressions? And how are they set? Is

605
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: it predetermined? Is it predetermined by Brissette? Is it predetermined

606
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: by Van Pelt? Does do reads maybe pre snap impact

607
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: the way that's done? Because I feel like Pop Douglas

608
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: is late in the progressions a lot right now and

609
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: they don't have time to get through the progressions. Is

610
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: there a way to maybe change those progressions to move

611
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: things up for Pop Douglas? And if not, again, where's

612
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: the end a round. Where's the Jets sweep? Where's the screen?

613
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: This offense, they're not gonna be able to throw the

614
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: ball down the field a lot. They're just not They're

615
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: not gonna have the time with this offensive line. So

616
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: what's the next best thing to create explosive plays? A

617
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: guy that can catch a five yard pass and turn

618
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: it into a twenty five yard game. That's Pop Douglas.

619
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying forcing the ball, because when you start

620
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: forcing the ball to one player, the defense is pick

621
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: up on it. You create turnovers. But yeah, there are

622
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: things you can do within the scheme to maybe emphasize

623
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: the player's role in the offense. And they're gonna need

624
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: to start doing that for Pop Douglas, and if the

625
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: progressions are maybe a way to do that. But again,

626
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: it's kind of more your area of expertise than mine.

627
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's there's I agree with you that he

628
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 2: hasn't been the initial reading the progression. He actually was

629
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: on the initial side of the progression on the third down,

630
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: Zack Late.

631
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: Are you sure?

632
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, Prisent never looked over there. Yeah, no, he's

633
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: he's running the out. There's like it's like an out

634
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: and then like a deeper out with kJ Osbourne. He

635
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: was holding the ball for Osborne. I think Douglas is

636
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: open if you you know, a Brady like throw, like

637
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: a pinpoint throw to the sideline, He's open. But you

638
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: do see the corner there, and you know, if you're presett,

639
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: you're probably thinking, if this isn't a perfect throw, it's

640
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: gonna be a pick six in the other direction, I'm

641
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 2: gonna lose us the game, right, So instead I'm just gonna,

642
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: you know, pass that up and try to keep us

643
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: on with a field goal. Here. The biggest thing that

644
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 2: I see with the progressions or the answer your question, Yeah,

645
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: there's progression reads and there's coverage reads. So progression reads

646
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: is literally just one, two three, right. Those are usually

647
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: predetermined based off the play call. Then there's coverage reads.

648
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: Coverage reads are they're in split safety, so where I'm

649
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: gonna look left, If they're in single high, I'm looking

650
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: right because my beaters are on those sides of the field.

651
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: They do a little bit of both in this offense,

652
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 2: as every NFL offense does. But that's like the simplest

653
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: way of putting that in terms of how the progression start,

654
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: Like where the quarterback's eyes are starting and things like that.

655
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's pre snap indicators that that go even

656
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: beyond like what I could tell you without knowing exactly

657
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: what they're telling you.

658
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: Well, I guess the point is, is there a way

659
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: to move Pop Douglas up in the progression?

660
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: Certainly, but I have some theories on Pop that I

661
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: want to get to. But yes, in it's as easy

662
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 2: as just saying like this is we're running dagger, We're

663
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: now running this.

664
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: I didn't Again, I I kind of felt that, but

665
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know. It almost felt too too easy to

666
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: be true. I'll say one other thing on on Van Pelt,

667
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: just kind of as an overarching take before we get

668
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: to that, because you ask my My big take is

669
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: you're you're seeing a lot of the stuff that you

670
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: see with these other I know it's gonna drive you

671
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: up a wall. With the other Shanahan coordinators, that just

672
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: kind of caps the offense and the reality with Van

673
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: Pelt is the designs aren't there. Because as much as

674
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: I not Kyle Shanahan, Matt Lafleur, right, these guys, Mike MCDA,

675
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: Mike mcdaniels's own issue, but like they do design. They do.

676
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: They are great at designing place I've alway I said

677
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: that there were lead play designers, to which I would say,

678
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: then go be an offensive coordinator because you can't do

679
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: the rest of it.

680
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: But just had to get that in there.

681
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't want to sound like I'm going back

682
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: on my take, but you are seeing some of the

683
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: refusal to adapt some of the clock management, the game

684
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: management issues, things like that, but you don't have some

685
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: of the bells and whistles that come with it. And

686
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: I think Van Pelt did a great job this summer

687
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: in terms of working with Drake May and Joe Milton

688
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: on their development mechanically, and we'll kind of see where

689
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: May's at, I'm sure at some point sooner rather than later,

690
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: and kind of see how that progression has gone. But

691
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: I said this before the season, everybody was criticizing Alex

692
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: van Pelt, and I said, well, all we have to

693
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 1: go on right now. We can't really go off of

694
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: play calling because the preseason it's not the real book.

695
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: Let's wait and get into the season and see what

696
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: it looks like. I haven't been I haven't been blown

697
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: away by him as a play caller. I think it

698
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: leaves a lot to be the offense leaves a lot

699
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: to be desired so far.

700
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair. I would agree with the sequencing of

701
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: plays maybe, Yeah, And Jacob said.

702
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: Sequencing is another good thing, Like it feels like they're

703
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: just calling individual plays. Yeah, and there's not a ton

704
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: of all Right, we've hit them with a couple of

705
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: wide zone runs in a row. Let's play action off

706
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: that and try to get some behind it. I don't

707
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,959
Speaker 1: know if it's the offensive line that's making be tentative.

708
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: Or what, but yeah, yeah, I hear you on on

709
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: some of those things. I think the overall design of

710
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 2: the run game is really good and they've gotten better,

711
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 2: Like in terms of you know, last week or against Cincinnati,

712
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 2: I should say, yeah, I felt like they were really

713
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 2: just that was like a high school offense, Like they

714
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 2: were running duo right at Cincinnati. It wasn't anything really

715
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 2: elaborate or anything. They added some wrinkles into the run

716
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 2: game this week, a little bit more motion. They were

717
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: using like the wide receivers as like wing blockers on

718
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: duo and kind of inserting those guys up to the

719
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 2: second level so that they could kick out the ends

720
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 2: and get up to the corners. Still. I really liked

721
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 2: like they were doing some little things like that that

722
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: to get this run game a little bit more difficult

723
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 2: to defend, and I enjoyed that. I thought the outside

724
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 2: zone game was probably the best I've seen the Patriots

725
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 2: block outside zone in three years of trying to install

726
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: an outside zone run scheme that Patricia here certainly did

727
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 2: never got to this. Like they they hit some real

728
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: outside zone runs where I was like, that looked like

729
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: a forty nine ers play, Like that looked like what

730
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 2: it's supposed to look like. You know, the nineteen yard

731
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 2: ar to Gibson in this game was an outside zone

732
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: week off the tackle that will hit exactly how it should.

733
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: So that's good, that's nice. The usage of certain personnel.

734
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 2: Did you mentioned the the end around to Jaalen Polk?

735
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: To me, it's not even pop Like where's Taekwon on

736
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 2: that play? Like that's a Xavier Worthy end around right,

737
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: Like that's like all you're looking for on a play

738
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 2: like that is a guy that just hit twenty two

739
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,720
Speaker 2: miles an hour coming through the defense like Xavier Worthy

740
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 2: did on that opening.

741
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: Game, and they had it it it It worked in

742
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: terms of like up to get him the ball, like

743
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: the edge was there, The edge was there to be had.

744
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I if that's a faster player, not to pick

745
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: on Jalen Polk, but if that's a Taekwon Thornton. Uh,

746
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Jalen Rager, a Jalen Rager, a

747
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: Pop Douglas like someone like that, then that has a chance.

748
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: Well that's kind of what I'm saying. And that's not

749
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not Polk's game. That's not why he's here. Yeah,

750
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: that's not how that's not what you drafted him to.

751
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 2: It felt like when the Patriots in twenty two started

752
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 2: doing that with Jacobe Myers and it was like, what

753
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 2: do we do it? Like, this is the slowest guy

754
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: on the field, I understand what we're doing here. Uh,

755
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 2: the the third down play call in overtime. I actually

756
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: didn't hate the design of the play. They were running

757
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 2: a lot of gap or duo just right at the

758
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: line against Seattle and against Cincinnati, like to dress it

759
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: up a little bit and show a little bit of

760
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: a different look like there. My biggest reason why I

761
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: really didn't mind it was because Taekwon doesn't really necessarily

762
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 2: have a role at the point of attack in that

763
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 2: play anyways, so all you're only pulling him out of

764
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 2: blocking you know, a.

765
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: Car so much that and I actually like that because

766
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 1: if it had worked, they could have built off of

767
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: it where you fake that handoff to Stevenson, you toss

768
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: it to Taekwan on the pitch and he's gone. But yeah,

769
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: one again, get it lined up two And I.

770
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 2: Don't obviously the penalty not right.

771
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if some of this was was just

772
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: Seattle getting a really good initial surge. But you have

773
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: Leyden Robinson, Mike go and Winu Kane Wallace all lined

774
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: up next to each other on the right side. Those

775
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: are three best run blockers. Yeah, right, Why does Stevenson

776
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: try to hit the hole at left card when you

777
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: have those three on the right side. Now, some of

778
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: it I think might be in credit to the Seattle

779
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: defensive line. They blew that thing up on the right side.

780
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: They got the initial push which you cannot let happen

781
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: there again if you have those three guys next to

782
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: each other. But I almost feel like they loaded up

783
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: on the right to run left as kind of like

784
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: a disguise and no, just go strength on strength. That

785
00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: you have that, you should have the advantage there go

786
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: strength on strength.

787
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you on that. I just they probably

788
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 2: were trying to catch Seattle sleeping on Taekwon a little bit. Yeah,

789
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,479
Speaker 2: because if the corner on that side of the field,

790
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: I think it was requal and, Like if he crashes

791
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 2: down and Jacobe can just pitch that, it's like a touchdown, right,

792
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 2: Like he's literally there's gonna be nobody there to keep

793
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 2: him from an acre of green grass in front of him.

794
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 2: So maybe there was a little bit of element of

795
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 2: let's let's see if they cover it into their credit.

796
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 2: Seattle's credit requal And is twenty seven. I think that's

797
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 2: equal and right. He did cover it right, So it

798
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: was taken away there by the defense. But I overall

799
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: with van Pelt, the biggest maybe nitpick that I would have,

800
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 2: I hear you, and I allowed you to go on

801
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 2: the situational football thing because it was a part of

802
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: this game and that's not my thing. I'm glad you

803
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 2: covered it. The biggest thing with Van Pelt that I

804
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 2: see is that a lot of his shot plays are

805
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 2: these longer developing play action plays, and that's just the offense,

806
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 2: like that's just the way that this offense builds in

807
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: these these deeper throws down the field, and it doesn't

808
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 2: really seem like he has another thing in his bag

809
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: to get the ball downfield.

810
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: Well, I guess getting the ball downfield is different than this.

811
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: But like I said before, right, you don't have time

812
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 1: in the pocket for those plays to develop. Are there

813
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: other ways you can set up explosives and I go

814
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: to just scheme touch plays. Can you get the ball

815
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: in the hands of your most explosive playmakers. Didn't he

816
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 1: say something this offseason about wanting to be the best

817
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: screen team in the league. Yeah, where is that?

818
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: Well, they've tried to run a handful of screens and

819
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: the one to Henry's the only one that's worked. And

820
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 2: I when you're a team that's limited down the field,

821
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: you know, we've seen this all the time over the

822
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 2: last couple of years. When your run game, quick game screen,

823
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 2: like that's your offense. These defenses just sit on the

824
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: screens like they know they're coming. I feel like there

825
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 2: are screens and build off the run, right, you know

826
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: that worked perfectly, kind of have the counteraction with the

827
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: motion going in one direction.

828
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: But like also like a play action bubble screen, Yeah,

829
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 1: something like that, Like you can you can build some

830
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: screens off run success rather than pass success.

831
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've tried a handful of them, and they, like

832
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: I said, the only successful one they've had so far

833
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: is the one to Henry on Sunday. I'm sure they'll

834
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 2: keep trying, but I have to bring it up because

835
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 2: it just makes me almost tear up a little bit

836
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: that they ran leak and they couldn't block it and

837
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: they had it. Like Henry is wide af open, right,

838
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 2: He's he's literally naked, there's nobody around him. He's gonna

839
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 2: walk in for a touchdown. And they they dressed it

840
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 2: up with emotion by Pop Douglas and they have Leyden

841
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: Robinson pulling out to the unblocked edge. Henry kind of

842
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 2: gives him a little bit of a of a chip

843
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: to hold him up first second to help Robinson get

844
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 2: over there. He releases into the route and Jacoby is

845
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 2: just like running around like a crazy person because there's

846
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: like three guys in his face. He does get the

847
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: pass somehow to Henry for an eleven yard completion, but

848
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: that should have been a walking touchdown on my favorite

849
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 2: play call in football. But they just didn't have it blocked.

850
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 2: Maybe next time when you go into that, just thinking

851
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: out loud, like don't have a puller, Yeah, like just

852
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: block it as outside zone, right, They just like kind

853
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: of fake it as outside zone and then have the

854
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 2: quarterback roll.

855
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: Now, right, happens there so Laighton Robinson doesn't get over

856
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: in time on the pole. Yeah, and maybe you saw

857
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: it differently than me, mike O. And when who ends

858
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 1: up one on two and kind of looks like he's

859
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 1: not sure what he's supposed to do, it just lets

860
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: both guys run by him.

861
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of looked to me like Robinson and

862
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit on when Wu too, But Robinson

863
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 2: in particular looked really tentative on the poll, like he

864
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 2: didn't know where he was going. And he's rookie, it's

865
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 2: his second game in the NFL. I'm not trying to

866
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 2: pick on the guy necessarily, but that's a pretty simple

867
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: Like you have that guy like you're pulling to this

868
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: guy that we're gonna leave for you to come and hit,

869
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: you know, ear hole, Like that's your guy. Like it's

870
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 2: not necessarily like we're scanning for like you know, it's

871
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 2: not a like dual read or something like that. It's

872
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: literally just like, this is the scheme, this is your guy.

873
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: I thought he was a little bit slow to get

874
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 2: over there. It just did. The blocking upfront just didn't work.

875
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 2: It didn't work. We're on multiple levels, and those are

876
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 2: the issues that they're having. Like you can even have

877
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: the perfectly time play call and scheme a guy wide open,

878
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 2: which like doesn't happen very often in the NFL, and

879
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 2: you can get all these things to go right. But

880
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 2: if you just can't block it for more than two

881
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 2: and a half three seconds to let the quarterback get

882
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 2: the ball off, then it can all go for not

883
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: And this team right now, as we get into the

884
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: third bucket that I have with the receivers, they don't

885
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 2: have the outside receiver talent to just have somebody run

886
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: by somebody and create it. Like you have to scheme

887
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 2: it up. And in order to scheme it up, you

888
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 2: need time. And if you don't have time in the

889
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 2: pocket and you don't have the receivers to get open

890
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: on their own and you can't scheme it up, this

891
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: is how you don't get the ball down the field.

892
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: Like these are all the sort of dominoes that go

893
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: into play the receivers in Jakobe and sort of their

894
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: fault and all this. I look at it more of

895
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 2: like a timing or a trust thing. He doesn't have

896
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: a whole lot of trust in anybody. It doesn't seem

897
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 2: to me outside of Hunter Henry right now to throw

898
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: the ball and just anticipate that the guy is going

899
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 2: to be in a spot. And he did it a

900
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 2: couple of times with Henry into some zone structures and

901
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 2: it was nice and it was a well, you know,

902
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 2: well executed play a couple of times there in the

903
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 2: first half. But just in general, there's not a whole

904
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 2: lot of trust of like, oh, I'm just gonna put

905
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: this ball up on a on a on the high

906
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: shelf for Austin Hooper in the red zone and he's

907
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: just gonna go ahead and high point the ball and

908
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 2: make a play like that. Just that type of stuff

909
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: just doesn't exist in their offense right now. I mentioned

910
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 2: earlier that he's got zero big time throws. Big time

911
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 2: throws come when you try to fit the ball down

912
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 2: the field in some tight coverage, Like you don't just

913
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 2: get a big time throw for throwing a wide open receiver,

914
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 2: you know, a touchdown like, that's not a big time throw,

915
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 2: so you're gonna have to try to throw the ball

916
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: into some tighter windows or tighter coverage and man coverage situations,

917
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: and he just doesn't do that a whole lot. I

918
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 2: do think that he could be a tick faster through

919
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: his reads, and that's probably part of it too. You

920
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 2: watch Jalen Polk's touchdown, really good quarterback play, Like he

921
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 2: starts on the left, he's got sticks like two, a

922
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 2: little outs on the left hand side, gets to the

923
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: top of his drop, cancels it out right back into

924
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 2: the middle of the field. Bullet Like. That's how it's

925
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: got to look in terms of the timing or the

926
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 2: pacing of the play from the quarterbacks perspective. Sometimes I

927
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: do see him hold the ball a little bit, and

928
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: he's got the third highest time to attempt right now

929
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: in the league. Some of that's because he's running for

930
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,479
Speaker 2: his life and he's extending plays. But I don't feel

931
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: as though there's enough rhythm throws to this offense right now,

932
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: where it's like come off the initial get to the

933
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: second or third hit the ball, you know, ball comes

934
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: out on the first hitch, second hitch, Like it's all

935
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: of it is either quick and out like quick game style,

936
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,479
Speaker 2: or it's extended play. I'm running for my life trying

937
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: to make something happen. Yeah, there's no in between of

938
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 2: just this is rhythm within our offense, and that's difficult

939
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: to make plays in the passing game if you have

940
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 2: no instructure rhythm throws, and next Gen actually tracks those

941
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 2: types of plays quick game, rhythm extended and he just

942
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: look at his numbers on rhythm situations and it's not pretty.

943
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 2: So that's the biggest thing that I would say as

944
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 2: the third bucket here. It's never one thing. I know

945
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 2: everybody always wants to say, like, what's the one thing

946
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: that we can all point to, But I feel like

947
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 2: we just described the whole puzzle and why it's not

948
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: fitting to the quarterback. Could be a little bit more aggressive,

949
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 2: could be a little bit faster through things. The offensive

950
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 2: line is obviously a mess and a train wreck, and

951
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 2: pass protection and there might be some design, you know,

952
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 2: receiver route riding elements that could be improved as well.

953
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 2: Hopefully they can at least improve some of it. You

954
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 2: can't fix everything right, so hopefully there's like a few

955
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: things that they can tweak here and there to try

956
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: to improve it. I do want to get to three up,

957
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:26,479
Speaker 2: three down or did you have anything else?

958
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? One more thing on that game of just back

959
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: to the offensive line. Yeah, and we talk about moving

960
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: mikeel and Winno inside to guard potentially down the road.

961
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: So now you have Leighton Robinson City So at left guard.

962
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

963
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: I throw Michael Jordan into that competition too. Michael Jordan's

964
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: quietly been one of their ben finast offensive linemen and whatever.

965
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: Like City Show is going to come back, Cole Stranger

966
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: is gonna come back eventually, Michael Jordan should continue to

967
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: be allowed to compete for the starting guard job because

968
00:46:58,239 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: he's been really good.

969
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 2: Andrews, who wasn't great on Sunday, but I thought he

970
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 2: was fine as well. I would say Michael Jordan might

971
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: have beat might be their most consistent guy. Like, you

972
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 2: know exactly what you're getting out of Michael Jordan. He's

973
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 2: not a people mover. He's got a little bit of

974
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 2: a tardy anchor in pass protection, but on the whole,

975
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: he is not going to be a liability. Like he's

976
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: kind of just a solid, fine veteran guard. I think

977
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: he's been more than adequate at left guard.

978
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: Just want to throw that in.

979
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Wallace playing on Thursday night's big for me.

980
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: I just if he can. He's probably not a left tackle.

981
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: If he is forced into playing left tackle for Darien

982
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: Lowe on on Thursday night, we'll have to adjust for that.

983
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: But just you can still see if he can block guys.

984
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 2: You know, even if he's playing at a position. If

985
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 2: he looks good or just even passable at tackle against

986
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 2: the Jets, I would probably think about putting him in

987
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: the starting lineup permanently at right tackle.

988
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. The only reason I would, The only reason I'm

989
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: not saying do it this week is because again, you

990
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: need him at left right once Vanarian Low's back. As

991
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: soon as that happens, I think you have the conversation

992
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,399
Speaker 1: about it. Even honestly, even if Kinen Wallas doesn't look great,

993
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: I still have the conversation because here we go again,

994
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 1: we were taking a career right tackle with very few

995
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: reps on the left side in practice and putting him

996
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: at left tackle. I'm not expecting it to look good.

997
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: I don't think it's indicative of what he'll be on

998
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: the right side. Even if he struggles, I'd still consider

999
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: putting him at right tackle as soon as you can,

1000
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: as soon as Vederian.

1001
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 2: Lowe is back, Yeah, as long as The biggest thing

1002
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: to me on just watching him play on Thursday night,

1003
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 2: if he does play, which I think we're all kind

1004
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: of expecting, is just his play strength and his anchor,

1005
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,240
Speaker 2: like if he doesn't get pushed around in pass protection

1006
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 2: and he's able to hold his ground against pass rushers.

1007
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,720
Speaker 2: Like that's the baseline for every single offensive lineman you, rookie,

1008
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: young offensive lineman in the league is simply can you

1009
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: handle the power of NFL pass rushers. If he passes

1010
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 2: that test, then the technique stuff for the footwork stuff

1011
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: of him with him flipping sides, like does you can

1012
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 2: kind of excuse some of that And maybe he's cleaner

1013
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 2: on the right side than he is on the left side.

1014
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 2: So I'm just that's what I would be looking for

1015
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 2: if you're watching the game on Thursday night, is just it,

1016
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 2: can he hold his ground right against these pass rushers?

1017
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 2: And if he can, then you can kind of work with, okay,

1018
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 2: his hand placement or his feet or whatever. Moving forward,

1019
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 2: Let's get into three up, three down, and then we

1020
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 2: can open up the line. Phone lines eight five, to

1021
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: five Pats. Five hundred is the phone number. Web radio

1022
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 2: at patrons dot com is the email address. Let's start

1023
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 2: with the ups. We'll start on the up. Well, who's

1024
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 2: your number one up from this game?

1025
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 1: That's gotta be ke On White. He was so good again. Yeah,

1026
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: and he's He's doing it from all these different alignments.

1027
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: He's rushing up the middle, he's rushing off the edge,

1028
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: he's doing it without help. He's doing it on different downs.

1029
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: Dynamic pass rusher. You know, I'm high on ke On White.

1030
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: I didn't even think he was this.

1031
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is another level. He's been something through two games. Yeah.

1032
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 2: I wasn't particularly I was late to this party. I

1033
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 2: will fully it was the only pick in that draft

1034
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 2: you didn't like. I didn't. I know this is gonna people, don't.

1035
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 2: Some people make fun of me for using this term.

1036
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,600
Speaker 2: His twitchiness is a lot better on the inside than

1037
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: it is rushing outside. And when they let him just

1038
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 2: kind of rush inside and go with his best move

1039
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 2: and get around guys, he is an explosive, twitchy mover.

1040
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 2: And that was the thing that I didn't necessarily see

1041
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 2: from him before on his college film or like early

1042
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 2: Patriots stuff and some of that, I believe is probably

1043
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 2: just because he's trying to rush within the structure and

1044
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: he doesn't want to get out of his gap and

1045
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 2: he wants to be you know, structurally sound and keep

1046
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 2: the quarterback in the pocket and like all that Belichick

1047
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 2: stuff right where it's like so much of it is

1048
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 2: like about setting the edge and the trash compactor and

1049
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 2: making sure you're not out of your gaps and things

1050
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: like that. Now the Patriots coaching staff has basically turned

1051
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 2: him into Christian Barmore and they're like, we need you

1052
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 2: to get after the quarterback, so you just go with

1053
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 2: your best and rest of us will worry about keeping

1054
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 2: the quarterback in the pocket. Like that. That's sort of

1055
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: been the approach his his swipe rip move like that,

1056
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: he just swipes the guy out of the way and

1057
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: then rips under. It's it is a go to rush

1058
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 2: move like that is a go to, you know, top

1059
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 2: end rush move like some guys like von Miller has

1060
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 2: the ghost rush, you know, Aaron Donald had the arm

1061
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 2: over swim like that. Everybody has their go to rush,

1062
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 2: and that's his, Like on the inside, you can build

1063
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: off it, obviously, and I'm sure he will. I think

1064
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 2: he tried that he did beat a block with a

1065
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 2: spin that that's gonna be very very nice if he

1066
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: had that. You know, there's there's a lot of really

1067
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 2: good elements to his game. I had as him as

1068
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 2: my number two up, two sacks, three quarterback pressures, set

1069
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 2: the edge on that fourth down stop and just you know,

1070
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 2: uh press the tight end right into the backfield and

1071
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 2: gave the runner nowhere to go. Like Dugger doesn't run

1072
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 2: that down from behind. If Keon White doesn't just dent

1073
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 2: the edge of the of the line to let him

1074
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 2: make that play, He's been phenomenal. Like the only thing

1075
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 2: that I would say is now, I'm just worried that

1076
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 2: this is on film and other teams are gonna like

1077
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 2: start double teaming.

1078
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: That will be the question. Well, so that's my thing,

1079
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: is ke On White had a good game. How would

1080
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: you say the pass rush was as a whole.

1081
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 2: Not good enough? Still? I mean, like Joshua is like

1082
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 2: the only other guy that brings any juice in the past.

1083
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: So this is my thing.

1084
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 2: Dietrich, I should I should mention who doesn't play a

1085
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 2: time for whatever reason.

1086
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's playing less. He's also one of the few

1087
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: guys I didn't realize he's in a contract year. Yeah,

1088
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 1: it's one of the few guys who didn't get an extensions.

1089
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: So maybe that, you know, the pieces coming together tell

1090
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: you how they view the new regime views him. But

1091
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: so this is my thing. Keon is gonna start getting

1092
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: double teams? Yeah, that's just gonna happen. Who's going to

1093
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: step up? So other guys are gonna get one on

1094
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: ones now? Yeah, who's gonna step up and win there?

1095
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: One on ones? Is it gonna be Josh Uche? I

1096
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,919
Speaker 1: know Zamenez just got hurt. Uh, I mean who Maybe

1097
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: they start rushing Tavai a little more, they start bringing

1098
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 1: Peppers from the second level, but I might I wonder

1099
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 1: how much Pepper's gonna be playing at the second level

1100
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: now because Duggar's gonna have to play there more because

1101
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: he's the green dot. Yeah, we can get to the

1102
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: juwant Bentley injury. I think there's a lot of fallout

1103
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 1: right that comes from that. But somebody else is gonna

1104
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: have to step up now. In long term, you're gonna

1105
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: have him next to Christian Barmore and that's gonna be

1106
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: a ton of fun. Yeah, that's gonna be a whole

1107
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: lot of fun, but still got games to win this year.

1108
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: Barmore is not gonna be part of it. Somebody else

1109
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: is gonna have to step up when teams start giving

1110
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: key On White that kind of attention.

1111
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do wonder you know, Whise I think has

1112
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 2: been solid. You know, they're playing a lot of their

1113
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 2: two four five defense where they have like two true

1114
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 2: d tackles. Yeah, and they're Wise is just not a

1115
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 2: very like big or like Stout in that sense. He's

1116
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 2: a big dude, but he's he's like taller and has

1117
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: a higher center of gravity. So they're going with guys

1118
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 2: like Farms a quality next to Godshow. I think that's

1119
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 2: cutting into his playing time with Wise, Like they've used

1120
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 2: him a little bit more standing up than they have

1121
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: in the years past, just trying to get him on

1122
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 2: the field. But he's been effective when he has the

1123
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 2: opportunities to rush the passer. Uh, So maybe they can

1124
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 2: find ways to get him more involved than other than

1125
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 2: it's it's a quality, like a quality is the other

1126
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 2: guy that can bring something to the pass rush and

1127
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 2: win some one on ones for you on the interior.

1128
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 2: But if there's any negative to come out of the

1129
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 2: Keyon White thing. There really aren't any true negatives. But

1130
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 2: the negative is that now every team is going to

1131
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 2: circle key On White on Tuesdays. Yeah, now he's gonna.

1132
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 1: This goes back to is we and we're not doing

1133
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: it now? But we get near the draft and nobody

1134
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,240
Speaker 1: wants your tackling wide receiver, don't do it. I think

1135
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: not in the first round.

1136
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 2: Second round, but second and third day two pass right

1137
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 2: have an extra third round pick.

1138
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: Now, I feel like we always have like top three

1139
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: needs and then everything else. I think pass rusher is

1140
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: that third need next to tackling receiver.

1141
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 2: Agreed. I agree with that.

1142
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: That's pretty pretty clear through two.

1143
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 2: Games because they can't right now, they you know, they're

1144
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 2: they're towards the bottom of the league. I haven't checked

1145
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 2: the updated numbers after last night. I want to say

1146
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 2: they're thirty first in the league in pressure right on

1147
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 2: defense and they're towards the bottom of the league and

1148
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: four man pressure rate as well. So they've gotten some

1149
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 2: pressure by blitzing, but right now, when they just rush

1150
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 2: four guys, it's really Keyon White and a little bit

1151
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: of Joshua Ucha and that's it.

1152
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: They are. Next Gen stats has them third to last

1153
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: twenty four point one percent. Yeah, Chiefs and Falcons are

1154
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: behind them.

1155
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting, the Chiefs are down there. Yeah, so they

1156
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 2: have to be able to generate some more pressure, especially

1157
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 2: with four guys. Like it's one thing to be able

1158
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 2: to bring a zero and you get a hurry, Like

1159
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 2: that's everybody gets a hurry when they bring a zero,

1160
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 2: but like you have to be able to pressure a

1161
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 2: little bit. My number one up because I'm an offensive

1162
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 2: guy was Hunter Henry.

1163
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had him too.

1164
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 2: Your career day sets a new career high and receiving yards,

1165
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 2: A lot of it early came against zone, some man

1166
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 2: on third down, ran some really good routes on against

1167
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 2: man coverage. Had the thirty five yarder on the screen.

1168
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 2: It's more of a scheme thing, but goes in the

1169
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 2: box score as his thirty five yards. The biggest thing

1170
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 2: to me with Henry is that there's a clear trust

1171
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 2: there between quarterback and tight end, and he doesn't present,

1172
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 2: I mean, doesn't have a whole lot of other guys

1173
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:04,879
Speaker 2: that he trust fully right now, it doesn't seem so

1174
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 2: if you take Henry out of that equation, I just

1175
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 2: don't know where the passing game is gonna be at all.

1176
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 2: So I've been impressed with Hunter Henry really going all

1177
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 2: the way back to the spring in the summer, and

1178
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 2: he's had a nice start to the year and he

1179
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 2: was great on Sunday.

1180
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 1: And I would say in addition to trust chemistry, yeah,

1181
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: what I was really impressed with with Henry was Brissette

1182
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 1: was having a run around and break the pocket and

1183
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 1: the play was breaking down, and he just did a

1184
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: very good job of quickly recognizing that was happening, breaking

1185
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: off his route and getting himself to a spot where

1186
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett had an outlet. So he wasn't just running

1187
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: away to throw the ball away, but was scrambling to

1188
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,279
Speaker 1: actually make a play happen. You need somebody on the

1189
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: other side to be able to open themselves up to

1190
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: get the ball. That was what stood out to me,

1191
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: and I had a Hunter Henry on there too, but

1192
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: his ability to react when the play was breaking down,

1193
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: and that's something that will translate one Strake Magens and

1194
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,240
Speaker 1: as well. They're gonna need guys that can improvise. There's

1195
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: a certain heard of this offense that just needs to

1196
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: be improvisational and it's not gonna be schemed and it's

1197
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: going to be up to the players on the field

1198
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: making snap decisions. Hunter Henry was really good in that

1199
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: regard in this game.

1200
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point. I actually think he did

1201
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 2: it a little bit with Mac even though Mac like

1202
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 2: didn't have a ton of improv skill. Yeah, like there

1203
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 2: was even flashes of it. With a quarterback like Max.

1204
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 2: Some more athletic quarterbacks, you can certainly see that more

1205
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 2: with him. I thought Brissett's maybe his best play of

1206
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 2: this game. They set up like a post wheel to

1207
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 2: Jalen Polk and Tarik Wollen. It was really similar to

1208
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 2: the interception Bo Nicks through in Week one against his

1209
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 2: Seattle defense, where Treik Woollen was like carrying the post

1210
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 2: but he was baiting. Yeah, he was baiting Brissette to

1211
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 2: make the throw, and as you know, a veteran savvy,

1212
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 2: you know, Brissette pulled it down and then he was

1213
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 2: like okay, but now, like now where am I going

1214
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 2: with this? And he gets outside the pocket and the

1215
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 2: zone defender in the middle of the zone comes over

1216
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 2: to try to tackle Brissette on the scramble and as

1217
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 2: he's coming over, it opens up a huge void for

1218
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry Henry just sits right there and waits for

1219
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 2: the ball. Persette gave it to him and got him

1220
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 2: all the way down inside the red zone. So some

1221
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 2: really good play there by both the quarterback and the

1222
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 2: tight end. To your point, who is uh? So we

1223
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 2: both had Henry and Kean White who's number three?

1224
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: Antonio Gibson, Yeah, we had kind of the same right, Yeah,

1225
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: needed to see this from Antonio Gibson. Good game, finally healthy.

1226
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: Ramandra Stevenson excessive workload, especially on a short week now,

1227
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: but good, do do it?

1228
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 2: Do it? Do they? Remondra Stevenson excessive?

1229
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: I think already didn't already do it? Did you earlier

1230
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: in the show? All right, I did. We'll get to it,

1231
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: or maybe I did it on on Patriots Beat this morning.

1232
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 2: But fifty to seventeen shows fifty one touches.

1233
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: He leads the NFL.

1234
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 2: I know he can he give your Gibson take, I

1235
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 2: was only okay, Well.

1236
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: No, The take is that as good as Stevenson's been,

1237
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: he's been good, He's not going to continue to be

1238
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: this good if they run him into the ground. And

1239
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: I think that the coaches need another back that they

1240
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: trust in order to be able to give Stevenson a

1241
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: breather to Yeah, to give Stevenson a breather. Gibson was

1242
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,440
Speaker 1: on the field more in this game, you know, came

1243
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: off the endo report, was on the field more in

1244
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: this game, and I think gave the coaches reason to

1245
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: keep going to him on a short week this week,

1246
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: specifically to be really telling to see how much they

1247
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: use him and what that split is. But I don't

1248
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: you know, you still got to be able to move

1249
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: the ball at Gibson in the game, especially for a

1250
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: team that runs the ball as much as they do.

1251
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: I think Gibson proved in this game that he's a

1252
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: viable option.

1253
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had the running game as a whole as

1254
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 2: an up, but Gibson was obviously a huge part of that.

1255
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 2: The two biggest things to me with him are just one.

1256
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 2: You know, he's got some explosiveness, Like I really feel

1257
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 2: like they had the thunder and lightning thing going with

1258
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 2: those two guys on Sunday, even more so than against

1259
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 2: the Bengals, when it just kind of felt like it

1260
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 2: was all Remandre on his shoulders. He has an explosive gear,

1261
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 2: like the forty five yarder he breaks a couple of

1262
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 2: tackles and pulls away from the defense for a minute

1263
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 2: there and was in the open field. I would like

1264
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 2: to see them even feed him the ball a little

1265
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 2: bit more in those types of space, you know, type

1266
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 2: of situations, because they just don't have a whole lot

1267
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 2: of eyes that can break big plays off like that.

1268
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 2: I think he is one of them. Like I said

1269
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 2: earlier in the show, I put the whole running game

1270
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 2: because this was again the best. They ran a lot

1271
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 2: of downhill duo and stuff like that. Against the Bengals,

1272
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 2: they kind of ditched the outside zone. They ran a

1273
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 2: zone running scheme on Sunday, and they ran it well.

1274
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 2: Like that was the first time I've seen a Patriots

1275
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 2: offense run outside zone outside zone week strong, lead, pin, pull, zone,

1276
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 2: wind back, which is one of my favorites, like all

1277
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 2: of the zone family. They ran them all and they

1278
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 2: ran them all well, and that is very very good

1279
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 2: to see in terms of like building on things moving forward.

1280
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 2: I really have felt like they've run the ball. I

1281
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 2: thought the yards after contact numbers in Week one, not

1282
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 2: to take anything away from Vermandre where a little deceiving.

1283
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 2: They've ran the ball well in two straight weeks. They

1284
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 2: are one of the better running offenses right now in

1285
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 2: Nash Football game in their fourth and rushing yards, total

1286
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 2: rushing yards top ten in EPA, top ten, and success rate.

1287
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 2: They're running the football well and that is going to

1288
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 2: be their foundation. Now they have to go out and

1289
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 2: scheme some stuff off of it, but that has that

1290
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 2: had to be the foundation. Like if they were gonna

1291
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 2: come into these games and average two yards to carry,

1292
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 2: then they would have gotten shut out in the first

1293
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,760
Speaker 2: two weeks of the season. So their running game is

1294
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:28,439
Speaker 2: doing something to liven up this offense is actually I'm

1295
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 2: into it. It's been fun to watch. The way that

1296
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 2: they've designed it, the way that they've blocked it has

1297
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 2: been interesting and it's been very very you know, forty

1298
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 2: nine ers esque. We're getting there. There's been some more

1299
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 2: motion this week, some interesting blocking angles, you know, a

1300
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 2: wrap blocks and you're kind of putting those guys up

1301
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 2: to the second level and things like that. It's they

1302
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 2: ran the ball well. This was not Remondro Stevenson broke

1303
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 2: fourteen tackles and they've grained two hundred yards after contact

1304
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 2: like no, this was. They actually opened some holes, especially

1305
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 2: in the zone running game, and got some things going

1306
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 2: in the run game. That's good. Now, if they can

1307
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 2: just pass block, they'll have an offer.

1308
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 1: You know, I'll just say that to go back to

1309
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: what you're saying about Gibson, I wouldn't hate seeing them

1310
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: use some some twenty one personnel and little Pony well

1311
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: either traditionally, like this is a guy that played receiver

1312
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: in college. Yeah, and just as a way to get

1313
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: another like you said, explosive ball of Carrer on the field.

1314
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: This is a guy that ran a four three nine forty.

1315
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: Line him up in the slot. They did a couple

1316
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 1: of times. Line him up, you know, as a receiver,

1317
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: as a slot receiver. If you could do that with

1318
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: Stevenson in the game, I feel like you can maybe,

1319
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: you know, if you have them both on the field,

1320
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: defense kind of packs the box and then you put

1321
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 1: Gibson out. I've been I mean, I've been trying to

1322
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: get them to do this for yeah, I mean going

1323
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: back to time Montgomery, right, I want them to do

1324
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: this where put your running backs on the field to

1325
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: use one as a receiver. I guess I'm calling for

1326
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: it again.

1327
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's let's see him split out, like if you

1328
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 2: get a matchup against a linebacker, out there, right, maybe

1329
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 2: he wins on a vertical or wheel or something like

1330
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 2: that from the backfield. Like also, you know if you

1331
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 2: get that matchup out there and maybe they'd zone and

1332
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 2: you have an indicator now and you have a receiver

1333
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 2: on the inside against a safety or a linebacker type like,

1334
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 2: now you have a matchup on the inside of the

1335
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 2: feel like this is what the Patriots used to do

1336
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 2: all the time with Brady James, White Veren, you know

1337
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 2: all those fulk you know all those guys, Like that's

1338
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 2: how you kind of play that chess match in that

1339
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 2: that formation game. All right, let's get to the downs.

1340
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: Yes, let's get to the downs number one. I mean

1341
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: we're see, we like discussed the game and then we

1342
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: do this and it's all discussions we've already had. That's,

1343
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 1: I guess is good because it makes a segment move quicker.

1344
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: Just see offensive line as a whole. You can't really

1345
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: single anybody out again, Michael Jordan was fine, Yeah, so

1346
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: if you want to take him out, but rough rough game.

1347
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: If I had to pick one, Mike on Winno, Mike,

1348
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: when Winno really struggled in this game.

1349
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 2: So Mike I went. It was on my list, mainly

1350
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 2: because he's the eighteen million dollar man, Like I'm not

1351
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 2: gonna sit here and put the offensive line struggles on

1352
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 2: a rookie in his second career start, or on Vederian Low,

1353
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 2: who's Elliott Wolf's fault, Like I'm not gonna do that,

1354
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 2: Like this is this is your eighteen million dollar offensive lineman.

1355
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 2: This is your the guy that's supposed to be the

1356
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 2: anchor of this line moving forward. He's playing out of position.

1357
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 2: All that excuse making is totally fair if you want

1358
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 2: to play that card, but just in general, like he's

1359
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 2: got to be better than that, especially with the game

1360
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 2: on the line. Like I thought that was the biggest

1361
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 2: part of it was. It wasn't just like okay, you know,

1362
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 2: he gave up some hurries early on in the game.

1363
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 2: He got beat in key situations late in the game, right,

1364
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 2: and that they just can't have from the guy that

1365
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,280
Speaker 2: they're paying sixty million dollars a year or two over

1366
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 2: the next three years. So I had on Winu. My

1367
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 2: number one down though, was actually the defensive coaching staff.

1368
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 2: I put Covington and Meyo on this card. I think

1369
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 2: both those guys are irresponsible for the defense as a whole.

1370
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 2: I just thought that they got a little too cute,

1371
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 2: a little too exotic. Yeah, I part of me feels like,

1372
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 2: and this is like a half big take, but part

1373
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 2: of me feels like they just want to put a

1374
01:04:57,840 --> 01:04:59,919
Speaker 2: bunch of cool shit on film and just like see

1375
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 2: what happens. Like, sorry, I swear. I was like a

1376
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 2: little swear. Does that count?

1377
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: No, I'm kind of and honestly, I think they to

1378
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: a different extent sort did that on the offense set

1379
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: of the Yeah, my number two is to play calling

1380
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 1: on both sides. I think there were there were play

1381
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: calling gaps on both sides of the ball.

1382
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 2: My concern going in was that Covington was gonna be

1383
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 2: a little bit too aggressive with blitzing. Now, my concern

1384
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,919
Speaker 2: watching the way that he wants to run the scheme,

1385
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 2: because we all always have to have a concern, right,

1386
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 2: So my concern with the way that they're running it

1387
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 2: now is that he's just trying to do all this

1388
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 2: like McDonald bravens, like exotic rotations and disguises, and we're

1389
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 2: bringing guys from every and it's just like trying to flex,

1390
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 2: you know, like I have all these tools in my toolbox,

1391
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 2: whereas like Bill would have just been like, well, they

1392
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 2: have DK, they have Lockett, they have Smith and jigba. Uh.

1393
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 2: These are our matchups in Manta man coverage. You're gonna

1394
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 2: have help here and help there. Go get it right.

1395
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: Especially against the veteran quarterback. It's gonna be a lot

1396
01:05:58,600 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 1: harder to fool.

1397
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we'll get to that in the second with

1398
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 2: with the Jets. When we start previewing talking about Aaron

1399
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 2: Rodgers number three down.

1400
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: Special teams, Yeah, two big special I.

1401
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 2: Know that you're going to hit these notes, so I

1402
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 2: just don't even need to.

1403
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: So Obviously the blockfield goal, I put more fault on that.

1404
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 1: I think if that's a thirty nine yard field goal

1405
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: instead of forty eight, they hit it. Yeah, it changed

1406
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: the trajectory of the ball, but you always blocked the

1407
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 1: inside man. Austin Hooper went for the outside guy, allows

1408
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: Julian Love a free rush. I don't know what happened there.

1409
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: We'll see if Austin Hooper's back in that spot this

1410
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: week or if they replace him the other gaff allowing

1411
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: a twenty three yard punt return. Yeah, at the end

1412
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: of the first half which led to three points. And

1413
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to fault Bryce Bhinger for the kick,

1414
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 1: but he did OutKick his coverage a little bit. But

1415
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 1: you had O'Shane semen Is missed on a tackle. He

1416
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: had a couple other guys that didn't think they were

1417
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,439
Speaker 1: space well coming down the field and coverage. Barger's gonna

1418
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 1: kick it a long way. You got to adapt and

1419
01:06:55,320 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 1: adjust your coverage to compensate for that. So, whatever it is,

1420
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be along with twenty three year punt returns,

1421
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 1: especially not in that spot.

1422
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a both fair gripes. Like when your margins

1423
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 2: are as thin as there there as are, you can't

1424
01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 2: be missing field goals and giving up big punt reachers.

1425
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 2: This is how they lost games last year to it,

1426
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 2: you know, Chad Ryland missing field goals and them having

1427
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:17,920
Speaker 2: gaffs on special teams. Like when you're winning, you know,

1428
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 2: when you have to win on the margins and you

1429
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 2: have a very very narrow path to victory, you can't

1430
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 2: be one of those teams that's having those things happen.

1431
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 2: Like I hate I let you talk about special teams

1432
01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 2: in game management. That's like your side of the street, yea,

1433
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 2: But when you're talking about these narrow paths to victory

1434
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 2: with this football team, Like these are all fair gripes,

1435
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 2: Like the details need to be buttoned up like they

1436
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 2: were in Cincinnati. Like that's the way that I viewed

1437
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:46,520
Speaker 2: at least, all right, So you you gave your three, right,

1438
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 2: it was my.

1439
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was my three.

1440
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 2: Okay, my last one, just to go back to the

1441
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball. Then I have one like

1442
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 2: kind of one like last week of fourth one here

1443
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:01,920
Speaker 2: in a second, just Kyle and Christian Gonzales just together.

1444
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 2: I don't know who to blame. I'm not gonna point fingers.

1445
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 2: I don't know the call. I don't know the scheme.

1446
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 2: They didn't give us a ton after the game. But

1447
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 2: you just can't let DK Metcalf run by you for

1448
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 2: a fifty six yard touchdown. If he mosses you, that's fine,

1449
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 2: that that happens. It's he's a really good player. It

1450
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:22,640
Speaker 2: is what it is, like the assignment breakdowns and the

1451
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 2: mental lapses. I can't have it, like this team cannot

1452
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 2: afford to give up explosive touchdowns like that.

1453
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 1: And that goes to my point, where like did that

1454
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 1: happen because the play calling was too complex? It might

1455
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:34,600
Speaker 1: have so that's kind of where ill that.

1456
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 2: It also did sound like Dougar said after the game

1457
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 2: that he checked into it. Maybe it was too late

1458
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:42,680
Speaker 2: of a check yeah, and that sort of thing. But like,

1459
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 2: can we just go back to their playing cover zero

1460
01:08:46,240 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 2: and they're in mant to man and you have this

1461
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 2: guy and I have that guy like for maybe a week,

1462
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 2: Like let's let's take I look, I love a good

1463
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 2: match coverage, all right, I love it. I think when

1464
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 2: it works, it works beautifully and it looks awesome and

1465
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. But clearly they have some

1466
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 2: issues with those coverages of like you know, carrying verticals

1467
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 2: and who's you know who guys who and things like that.

1468
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 2: You can't have both guys jumped the route underneath and

1469
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 2: then have the best player on the field for the

1470
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,679
Speaker 2: opponent just wide open. Like at least they can't happen,

1471
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:18,639
Speaker 2: just can't play.

1472
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1473
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 2: Fourth and final thing here on my downs list, take

1474
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 2: them to the hill. They they had an opportunity to

1475
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:30,680
Speaker 2: take them to the hill. They had an opportunity. It

1476
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 2: was what first and down from the twenty five yard

1477
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 2: line twenty one? Take them to the hill? Like what happened?

1478
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 2: What did the bam ball.

1479
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: What did I say last week? The Seahawks are mentally

1480
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 1: tougher than the Bengals. They were not going to tap

1481
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:45,800
Speaker 1: out the way the Bengals did. Yeah, you saw that.

1482
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 2: If you're girod Mao, because it's our job to an

1483
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,640
Speaker 2: extent to come on here and talk about all the

1484
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:55,680
Speaker 2: big picture of like they don't have the personnel to

1485
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 2: do this, they don't have the like all that kind

1486
01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 2: of stuff. But if you're gird Mayo, what's got to

1487
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,759
Speaker 2: keep you up at night after that game against Seattle

1488
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 2: is that you had first and ten from the twenty

1489
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:06,720
Speaker 2: one yard line with about four or five minutes to go.

1490
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:10,080
Speaker 2: You have to take them to the hill mantra, and

1491
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 2: you just you couldn't get points there. You know, like

1492
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 2: if you get points there, the game's probably over and

1493
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 2: you probably win the football game. Even if you get

1494
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 2: a field goal out of that drive. I don't know

1495
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 2: if they're scoring a touchdown against your defense, Like the

1496
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 2: field goal is one thing. A touchdown, I don't know.

1497
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 2: So those are those are our ups and downs. Let's

1498
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 2: take some of these calls and people have been waiting,

1499
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 2: and then we'll talk a little jets before we wrap

1500
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 2: things up. Here Patty, if you're still there. You were

1501
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 2: an aguam and you were on the line. What's up, Patty?

1502
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 3: What's up? Guys?

1503
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 2: How you doing? Sorry to keep you on hold for

1504
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 2: so long. We had a lot to talk about.

1505
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:46,120
Speaker 4: Hey, come on, you say that every week and every

1506
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 4: we got it. I tell you, I don't care, it

1507
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 4: doesn't matter. I want to bring up a couple of

1508
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 4: things to you guys. The first thing I watched I

1509
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 4: watched a little bit of the Jets game this past weekend,

1510
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 4: and I'll tell you who really impressed me was was

1511
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 4: brailing out. And I wanted to get your guys thoughts

1512
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 4: on that two headed snake of him and Breeze Hall,

1513
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:07,759
Speaker 4: because I mean, this is probably gonna be our toughest

1514
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 4: test for a run defense this coming week. And the

1515
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 4: other thing I wanted to bring up and get your

1516
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 4: guys opinion on was I heard John zana Stay on

1517
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 4: the postgame show on Sunday night that you know, he

1518
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 4: understands that Drake may may not play for a long time.

1519
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 4: But he said, and I'm one behind him on that,

1520
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 4: that if he's not gonna play, you've got to get

1521
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 4: you got to start getting some of these guys like Polk,

1522
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 4: I know he's it is this his Rooki year, but Polk,

1523
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 4: Pop Douglas and Taikwan, you gotta you have to see

1524
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 4: what you have with those guys. And I just wanted

1525
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 4: to get your guys thoughts on that. And I'll take

1526
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 4: it off here. And Evan never apologized to keep me

1527
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:49,719
Speaker 4: on hold, buddy.

1528
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks, Patty, thanks for the call. I appreciate it.

1529
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 2: The first point. Sorry he said that. He just said

1530
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 2: a lot of things. Running back, Yeah, we we were.

1531
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 2: We definitely could pull the archives of us talking about

1532
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 2: Braylen Allen during the draft. Wisconsin running back six one

1533
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 2: two thirty five, like the exact bowling ball that you

1534
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 2: would picture a Patriots back of old Lagarrett Blunt if

1535
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:18,080
Speaker 2: he will, like you know, type of running back, explosive downhill,

1536
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 2: sturdy runner, like just run run through a you know

1537
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 2: what's face right type of guy.

1538
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 3: Uh.

1539
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have a really good run game. That was

1540
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 2: the thing that stood out to me too, Patty, just

1541
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 2: watching the Jets film, like you always you think about

1542
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers and like he's an MVP quarterback and a

1543
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 2: future Hall of Famer and all this kind of stuff,

1544
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:41,640
Speaker 2: But it really felt like breese Hall and then like

1545
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 2: the complement of Allen, like that was sort of the

1546
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 2: straw that was stirring the drink. Like they the first

1547
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:48,839
Speaker 2: like three or four plays at the game against Tennessee,

1548
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 2: it's Bresall, Bresall, Bresaw, breese Hall, right, Like they're just

1549
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 2: trying to feed this guy. We talk about Rogers, we

1550
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 2: talk about Wilson obviously on the outside, but to me,

1551
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:01,679
Speaker 2: this is the run game and not just the run

1552
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 2: game with these two guys. They threw touchdowns to both

1553
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 2: these guys too. You know, Brandon Allen on a screen,

1554
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 2: Bresall flexed out on a go route that I was

1555
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 2: talking about earlier with Gibson gets a linebacker matchup, Rogers

1556
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 2: puts it on him for a touchdown on a on

1557
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 2: an empty formation. So good running game, good running backs.

1558
01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 2: Brisall is a stud. He's an explosive back. Yeah. Yeah,

1559
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 2: what do you like about Braylen Allen?

1560
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 1: I kind of talked about this last week, Just the

1561
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 1: combination of power and agility.

1562
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a.

1563
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 1: Big downhill runner. But if you just try to square

1564
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 1: him up and say all right, I'm gonna take the

1565
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 1: hit and bring him down, he can run around you.

1566
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 1: So he's a guy you got it. It takes multiple

1567
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 1: people to tackle him. And in the modern game, especially

1568
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 1: when when there's two high safeties a lot and there's

1569
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 1: there's fewer players in the box, he can do some

1570
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 1: real damage. He can do some real damage. He's also experienced.

1571
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 1: He played a ton even though it's only twenty years old.

1572
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 1: I think he's the youngest player in the league.

1573
01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 2: He is played it.

1574
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:56,839
Speaker 1: I think he had over two hundred carries a Wisconsin

1575
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:01,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, a guy that that is. He's a challenge

1576
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 1: in a lot of different ways.

1577
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 2: Classic Wisconsin Big ten football. Yes, this is a Wiscon

1578
01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 2: like Melvin Gordon. Yeah, James White was a little different.

1579
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 2: But they went through all these backs who was John C.

1580
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 1: Taylor, Monty Ball, like another one from Wiscon. Not to

1581
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 1: say James White isn't great, but like they had all

1582
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 1: these just big, powerful downhill runners, and then James White

1583
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 1: kind of supplemented all of it. He was there with

1584
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon. And there's a third guy in that backfield too.

1585
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I like Brylen Allen's game from the draft

1586
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 2: when we were talking about that third running back spot,

1587
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 2: and maybe he went higher. I went third round right,

1588
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 2: he went pretty high.

1589
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I had him as the second best back

1590
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 1: behind Corum.

1591
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he's a he's a good player. Was the

1592
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 2: other thing? Oh, the receivers. Yeah, look, we all would

1593
01:14:48,280 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 2: agreed that I Corey Clement was the other back in

1594
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 2: the oh yeah, by the way, Oh yeah, they kind

1595
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 2: of more like a James White type.

1596
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1597
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 2: Also he was out of bounds, Melvin Gordon, James White,

1598
01:14:56,320 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 2: Corey Clement was a freshman, and Adam Bounds. Yes, yeah,

1599
01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 2: h the biggest thing, I yeah, we would all like

1600
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 2: to see, you know, these young receivers. Yeah. I don't

1601
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 2: know if we put Taekwon still in that book. I

1602
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:15,719
Speaker 2: guess it's year three, it's still relatively speaking. But Baker, Pop, Douglas, Oh.

1603
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 1: James White, Melvin Gordon, Monty ball together the year before too.

1604
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: That's a been Derek Watt, that's a backfield.

1605
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 2: Sorry, uh, Jalen Polk, I he's been opened a couple

1606
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:25,680
Speaker 2: of times. You know you obviously calmed the touchdown. I

1607
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 2: thought he was open on the crossing route, drifted a

1608
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 2: little bit on the route. Would have liked to have

1609
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 2: seen him level it off, little little like route running

1610
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 2: thing quickly when you run a crossing route on like

1611
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 2: post cross and those these these bootleg schemes. If you

1612
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 2: get man to man coverage, they want you to stack

1613
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:45,200
Speaker 2: the corner like they want you to level it off

1614
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 2: coming across the field so that the corner can't undercut

1615
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 2: the route. If you're running the route on a crossing

1616
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 2: round against against zone, then it's just running to the void, right,

1617
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 2: like just take it's a straight line route right into

1618
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 2: the void on the crossing route that that Jacobi threw

1619
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 2: at his feet, that wasn't a good throw. But if

1620
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 2: he levels it off a little bit more coming across

1621
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 2: the field, it just makes the throw a little bit

1622
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 2: easier for the quarterback because if Jacobe misses that throw inside,

1623
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,040
Speaker 2: now it's a pick right because the corners trailing him

1624
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 2: and he's gonna undercut it, so he's got to kind

1625
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:16,599
Speaker 2: of lay it out in front of him, which makes

1626
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 2: it a harder throw. Just like have the rookie just

1627
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 2: level it off. He did such a good job of

1628
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 2: it on the play that on Drake May's won in

1629
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 2: the preseason against Washington. You know that that that's just

1630
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:31,719
Speaker 2: a little coaching point there, all right, ganesh is in Cambridge.

1631
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 2: What's up, gesh, can.

1632
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:34,920
Speaker 5: You hear me?

1633
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 2: Yes, go for it.

1634
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 5: Thanks for taking me call. Yeah, I joined this a

1635
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 5: little bit late, so sorry if by bringing up something

1636
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 5: that you already talked about. But my point is kind

1637
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:48,200
Speaker 5: of a two point discussion. So the first thing is

1638
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 5: Coach Mayo keeps stressing after these games and they push

1639
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 5: the ball down the field, and right now, obviously we're

1640
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:58,840
Speaker 5: stan at least for the next week. So like, well

1641
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,360
Speaker 5: from at this when in his career, I don't think

1642
01:17:01,400 --> 01:17:04,200
Speaker 5: his you know, actually down the field is that great anymore.

1643
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 5: And his arms trends also was a little suspect during

1644
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:09,680
Speaker 5: the preseason and he was trying to make some of

1645
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:12,439
Speaker 5: these throws down the field to Taekwon whatever.

1646
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 4: So I just hope that.

1647
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:17,639
Speaker 5: You know, they don't force him to any make any

1648
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 5: down the field throws on Thursday, kind of if it's

1649
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 5: in his head or you know, the play call and

1650
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:24,439
Speaker 5: he's kind of he's kind of feeling the pressure to

1651
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 5: make you know, these push the ball down the field.

1652
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:28,559
Speaker 5: And this kind of relates to my part second part,

1653
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 5: which is like, you know, I want to get your

1654
01:17:32,280 --> 01:17:35,639
Speaker 5: y'alls thought on the situation in Chicago that Kile Gilliams

1655
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 5: is in and personally I feel like the experience that

1656
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 5: he's getting from the first two games, you know, with

1657
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 5: that situation's offenses and that whole line and some of

1658
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 5: their receivers banged up. But he's still I think, even

1659
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 5: though his members are not statistically great, I think he's

1660
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 5: still getting a lot of great experience, whether you know,

1661
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 5: on the on the interceptions, like he's used to making

1662
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:01,680
Speaker 5: those off platform platform off cuture throws and he's you know,

1663
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 5: realizing that what there was he can make and cannot make.

1664
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:06,559
Speaker 5: So I think that relates a lot to you know,

1665
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 5: May and his game as well. So kind of want

1666
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 5: to know your thought on Like obviously I don't think

1667
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 5: he should be they should be put in like this

1668
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 5: week or next week, but like you know, sooner than later.

1669
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 5: He can only get so much from learning under you know,

1670
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 5: from seeing from Brissett more get gets more and valuable

1671
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 5: experience from actually getting these reps on the field and

1672
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:28,880
Speaker 5: seeing what throws he can make and can't make, and

1673
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:32,679
Speaker 5: you know, if it's a quicker or faster or whatever.

1674
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 5: So yeah, thanks for taking my call and I'm off

1675
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 5: there now.

1676
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 2: Thanks thanks for the call. So to the first point.

1677
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 2: I agree with the larger point that you don't want

1678
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 2: it to be like an overcorrection where all of a sudden,

1679
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 2: now they come out Thursday night and their bombs away.

1680
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:47,680
Speaker 1: You don't want to force something you don't have the

1681
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 1: ability to do. That doesn't help anybody.

1682
01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the one thing, you know, I mentioned

1683
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 2: it when we're talking about a VP is just they

1684
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:56,640
Speaker 2: did it once in Cincinnati where they came out of

1685
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:58,640
Speaker 2: halftime and they just threw like an iso go ball

1686
01:18:58,720 --> 01:18:59,640
Speaker 2: to Taikwan.

1687
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 1: Which Pulk was open on the other side.

1688
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't necessarily love that, right, it's not the best.

1689
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:07,839
Speaker 2: But the one thing that I do see with Jacoby

1690
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 2: that he can do is kind of make those dropping

1691
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 2: in the bucket like over the shoulder throws. He's not

1692
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 2: necessarily going to like drive one into a tight window

1693
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:19,599
Speaker 2: down the field, you know, a post in between two

1694
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 2: safeties or something like that, or hit a sixty yard

1695
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 2: bomb down the field, but he can take a chunk

1696
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 2: out of the defense if he can get you know,

1697
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 2: Taekwon or Polk, you know, give him a chance or

1698
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 2: whatever on one of these vertical routes. Like just that's

1699
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 2: the part of that I don't see them doing a

1700
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 2: ton of or Jacobi not looking a ton for is

1701
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:41,600
Speaker 2: like if you have press coverage and you have a

1702
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 2: matchup where you have Taekwon against the corner and man

1703
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 2: to man and it's clearly pressed on the outside, Like

1704
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 2: just every once in a while, just give him a chance, right,

1705
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 2: Like throw a ball that's only going to be caught

1706
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 2: or going to be out of bounds, Like don't don't

1707
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 2: turn it over on purpose or anything silly, but just

1708
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 2: get like every once in a while, once twice a game,

1709
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 2: I would like to see them just kind of give

1710
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:02,600
Speaker 2: them a chance to make a play on it. Like

1711
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 2: I thought the game in Cincinnati was an example of that,

1712
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 2: Like it didn't work, but at least they gave it

1713
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 2: a chance to see if they could take a chunk out.

1714
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like you said, don't, just don't force it.

1715
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 1: Just don't. If they come out and force them, gonna

1716
01:20:15,240 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 1: be really worried because now it's like, all right, so

1717
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 1: the fans are calling the plays right right, stick to

1718
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:22,480
Speaker 1: Can you make it work organically?

1719
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1720
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:26,800
Speaker 1: Can can you find ways within your system to help,

1721
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 1: whether that's figure out ways to improve the pass blocking

1722
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:31,720
Speaker 1: or figure out other ways to create explosive plays where

1723
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 1: maybe it's not, you know, as much of a factor

1724
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 1: that they can't work the ball down the field.

1725
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:40,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's tough, Like they can't block a

1726
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 2: play like leak right, Like it just takes too long,

1727
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 2: Like they can't They're trying to run these bootlegs and

1728
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:47,799
Speaker 2: like hit receivers down the field and Jacoby's having issues

1729
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 2: making those throws on the move and there's pressure in

1730
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 2: his face some of the time too, and that doesn't help.

1731
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:54,799
Speaker 2: Like you it just seems to me like they're gonna

1732
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 2: have to just like have them drop back, pop up

1733
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:00,879
Speaker 2: and throw go ball and like that Taekwon or Polk

1734
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,639
Speaker 2: or someone just makes a play on a ball out

1735
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 2: there and it's not efficient. Like that's not a good

1736
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:09,719
Speaker 2: way to live, right, We've seen that over here here

1737
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 2: for the last couple of years, like trying to force

1738
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 2: feed that to like DeVante Parker or something like that,

1739
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 2: and it's it's not a good way to live. But

1740
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:18,640
Speaker 2: that's sort of where they're at with that. William is

1741
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 2: in Philly. What's up, William? William? You're there, William?

1742
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:28,639
Speaker 1: He lou one.

1743
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 2: Two three, all right, give us a callback, William And

1744
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:34,160
Speaker 2: we'll get you on the air. Hey, Alex, are you

1745
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:36,439
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Speaker 2: New England Patriots. I want to talk a little Jets.

1756
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:12,639
Speaker 2: I know we got some calls. I'll get you guys

1757
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 2: in the second, I promise, but I do want to

1758
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:16,719
Speaker 2: get to some of the things about the Jets before

1759
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 2: we wrap it up here. Start with Rogers. He's not washed.

1760
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that, but he's a rusty like. I

1761
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 2: think That's where I'm about like comfortable going with it

1762
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:31,719
Speaker 2: for now. I need to see more before I'm gonna

1763
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:35,680
Speaker 2: say he's washed. He's still got that ability to make

1764
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 2: some throws from some different arm angles and like feather

1765
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 2: go balls like over the shoulder and things like that.

1766
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 2: Had a beautiful one to Garrett Wilson, and Wilson made

1767
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 2: a great adjustment almost like wrong shouldered it and then

1768
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 2: he kind of came back and made the catch. You know,

1769
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 2: he still has that like if you give him that

1770
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 2: matchup on the outside, Roger's gonna pop up and he's

1771
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 2: gonna throw that thing. Like that's right, that's where he's at.

1772
01:22:57,200 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 2: There were some wonky play in the pocket. I thought

1773
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 2: from this Tennessee tape like he just missed gett I

1774
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 2: sent one to you over text actually like just missing

1775
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:08,719
Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson wide open and then just kind of seeing

1776
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 2: ghosts and running into pressure. The stats very early on,

1777
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:15,800
Speaker 2: it's it's very very early. His under pressure and under

1778
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 2: blitz pressure stats are not good. And that sometimes can

1779
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 2: come with a forty year old quarterback, Like you see

1780
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:24,759
Speaker 2: them take those hits. He gets hurt, you know last

1781
01:23:24,840 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 2: year on a hit like those things can come. Don't

1782
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:30,960
Speaker 2: think he's like the improviser or the mobile athlete that

1783
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:32,800
Speaker 2: he once was too, which maybe is part of it.

1784
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 2: Because he doesn't have that, you know, es capability that

1785
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 2: he once did. But we talked about it with the

1786
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:41,800
Speaker 2: Seahawks review. The big thing to me with this Jets

1787
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:45,120
Speaker 2: offense and with Rogers is that what he's good at

1788
01:23:45,160 --> 01:23:48,559
Speaker 2: still is hunting matchups and getting the ball out quickly.

1789
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:51,200
Speaker 2: He has the second fastest time to throw in the

1790
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:55,679
Speaker 2: NFL right now, two point two six seconds. He's barely

1791
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:58,599
Speaker 2: ever under pressure because he's never waits for the pressure

1792
01:23:58,680 --> 01:23:59,160
Speaker 2: late career.

1793
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:01,680
Speaker 1: Brady, Yeah, I think you compared him to that last night.

1794
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 1: I'll just say on the offense as a hole and

1795
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:08,680
Speaker 1: Rogers is a part of this, it still feels pretty discombobulated.

1796
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:11,600
Speaker 1: It still doesn't feel like there's a lot of chemistry.

1797
01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:14,559
Speaker 1: There's still things that look like the Zach Wilson Jets. Now,

1798
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 1: obviously Rogers is a lot better than Zach Wilson, but

1799
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 1: I think a lot of Zach Wilson's problem was he

1800
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 1: he was not concerned with the other ten guys on

1801
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 1: the field. Zach Wilson would get up to the line

1802
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 1: and do Zach Wilson. There was no get making sure.

1803
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 1: But he's set making sure. But he's on the same page.

1804
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 1: You know that basic quarterbacking stuff that comes with playing

1805
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 1: the position. Rogers is obviously better about that, but there's

1806
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 1: still times where I look at it and it's like,

1807
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 1: did these guys all just start playing together last week?

1808
01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 1: Like they don't look like a team that it's really

1809
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:45,719
Speaker 1: on the same page offensely defensively is the exact opposite.

1810
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to come across what I'm saying that

1811
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:50,639
Speaker 1: the whole team, but the offense still looks Jets ish,

1812
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 1: if you know what I mean. Yeah, and some of

1813
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 1: that might just be its early in the year and

1814
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:57,679
Speaker 1: watch this will be the game that suddenly everything clicks

1815
01:24:57,680 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 1: for him and everybody's back on the same page. But

1816
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 1: really short week, you don't expect them to maybe make

1817
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,719
Speaker 1: a ton of strides. Now it's up to the Patriots

1818
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 1: capitalize off of that. The thing about an offense, it's

1819
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 1: not on the same page. They're easy to turn over

1820
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 1: and no turnovers last week? Boy was that game calling

1821
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 1: for one. The defense needs to take advantage of this

1822
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 1: turnovers plural this week if the Patriots want to win

1823
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 1: this game.

1824
01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 2: Just I said it earlier about all the disguises and

1825
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 2: the exotics and like all this stuff that they're they're

1826
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 2: trying to run defensively. This feels to me like a

1827
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:36,040
Speaker 2: week where you throw all that out and you say, Gonzo,

1828
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:38,320
Speaker 2: you got Garrett Wilson will give you some help over

1829
01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 2: there every once in a while, and let's stop the run.

1830
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 2: Let's game plan Breese Hall and have some some tricks.

1831
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 2: You know, when he goes out wide. We're not gonna

1832
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 2: put Jilani Tavai on Breese Hall outside, We're gonna put Dugger.

1833
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:53,760
Speaker 2: We're gonna put you know, a safety type or a

1834
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:58,280
Speaker 2: cover type over there. Let's game plan Breese Hall. Let's

1835
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 2: get Gonzo on Garrett Wilson like he was last year

1836
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:03,680
Speaker 2: in that matchup early in the season, and let's just

1837
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 2: do what we do, Like, let's not try to confuse

1838
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:10,839
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. You are not going to confuse Aaron Rodgers.

1839
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:13,600
Speaker 2: He's seeing everything. And this is not the week to

1840
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:16,639
Speaker 2: just like start to spin the dial and have all

1841
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 2: these crazy, crazy disguises and coverage rotations and things like that.

1842
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 2: I want to see them get It's a Thursday night

1843
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 2: game to begin with, so that's a big part of it. Like,

1844
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 2: you're not going to reinvent the wheel in three days.

1845
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:29,719
Speaker 2: You're not going to have a Super Bowl game plan

1846
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 2: on a Thursday night football game. So get back to

1847
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 2: your basic core stuff and just do what you do best.

1848
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 2: I still come back to with this defense that they

1849
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 2: what they do best is shadow guys and play man coverage.

1850
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 2: Like that to me is still there has to be

1851
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 2: their bread and butter. And right now, I'm not sure

1852
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 2: if they have something that they are fully trusting that

1853
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 2: this is like who this is our identity identity defensively,

1854
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:59,320
Speaker 2: like this is what we right now they want their

1855
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 2: identity to be. We don't have an identity, and I

1856
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 2: don't know if I necessarily love that. Like I'd much

1857
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 2: rather them have at least one thing. You know, we're

1858
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 2: a man to man defense, we're a pressure defense. We're

1859
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 2: this like have one thing that you can just lock

1860
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 2: in on and say that this is what we're really

1861
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:16,680
Speaker 2: good at. I hope that comes back this week and

1862
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 2: then I would you know, normally you would say you

1863
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:22,960
Speaker 2: don't blitz a quarterback like Rogers, right because polls guys

1864
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 2: out of coverage and he's going to see it and

1865
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 2: he's going to get the ball out quickly. But I

1866
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:29,519
Speaker 2: would test it because the numbers, like I said, early,

1867
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 2: you mentioned the chemistry and sort of the rhythm of

1868
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 2: the offense is a little bit off. It doesn't seem

1869
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 2: like he knows where his outlets are against pressure, and

1870
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 2: he doesn't have the mobility that he had five years

1871
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 2: ago to run away from guys in this league. So

1872
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 2: if you get to him and you hit him, I

1873
01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 2: do think you could rattle him a little bit at

1874
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:48,640
Speaker 2: this stage of his career. Looked like Tennessee did a

1875
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:50,439
Speaker 2: little bit early on in that game, like he had

1876
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 2: some dropbacks are I was like that, where is he going?

1877
01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:54,880
Speaker 2: You know, like, what are we doing here? It doesn't

1878
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 2: look like Aaron Rodgers. So I wouldn't blitz him often,

1879
01:27:57,920 --> 01:27:59,640
Speaker 2: Like I wouldn't come after him fifty percent of the

1880
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:03,000
Speaker 2: time anything like that. But I don't hate just seeing

1881
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 2: if he's gonna see some ghost. See what happens if

1882
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 2: you turn the pressu out, Yeah, turn the heat up

1883
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 2: on them all. Yeah, Yeah, that's what happens when you

1884
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:11,719
Speaker 2: turn forty, right, Like it does all of a sudden,

1885
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:14,640
Speaker 2: your mobility just isn't as good as it once was.

1886
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 2: Unless yeah, well even him. You know, the biggest difference

1887
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 2: with Brady then I see with Rogers is Rogers is

1888
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff near the line of scrimmage. Like

1889
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 2: it's just that quick slide of hand with him, you

1890
01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 2: know that he's always had, whereas with Brady, he was

1891
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:30,600
Speaker 2: just throwing bombs. Like he just hit the top of

1892
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:32,640
Speaker 2: his drop and he just throws. You know, this is

1893
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 2: a little bit different, but the same thing. You know,

1894
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:37,680
Speaker 2: after a while, all these quarterbacks, especially when you get

1895
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:39,680
Speaker 2: hurtles late in your career and you have such a

1896
01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 2: serious injury like Rogers had with his achilles, you can

1897
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 2: you can see that happening. They're very a sort of

1898
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:49,800
Speaker 2: I don't want to say one dimensional, because they they

1899
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 2: do run a pass okay, but like it's very it's

1900
01:28:53,240 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 2: like two guys. It's Breese Hall, it's Garrett Wilson, and

1901
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 2: then like maybe Brandon Allen's like starting to emerge a

1902
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:01,480
Speaker 2: little bit. But it's the run game and the backfield

1903
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 2: and all that. It's a kind of similar category. And

1904
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:06,559
Speaker 2: then it's like nothing else, you know, like they really

1905
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:10,160
Speaker 2: don't have anything else. Like Lazard is okay, they try

1906
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 2: to get him involved because he Rogers is in the

1907
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 2: circle of trust with Rogers from the Green Bay days,

1908
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 2: but like there's really nothing that like terrifies me out

1909
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 2: of this passing game outside of Garrett Wilson and like

1910
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:23,559
Speaker 2: if you get a bad matchup with Briest Hall, you know,

1911
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:26,360
Speaker 2: like those are kind of the two things. Defensively for

1912
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:29,679
Speaker 2: the Jets. It's they're playing a little bit more man coverage,

1913
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:31,559
Speaker 2: but it's early, Like I'm not ready to say that

1914
01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 2: that's a true trendsetter. They are a quarters cover three defense.

1915
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:40,040
Speaker 2: They play it really really well. They have not very

1916
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:42,639
Speaker 2: many bells and whistles. They don't blitz a ton, they

1917
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 2: don't do a ton of crazy things on their defensive

1918
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:47,960
Speaker 2: side of the football. They just have three really good

1919
01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:49,519
Speaker 2: layers to this defense.

1920
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 1: So a couple things. You got to be able to

1921
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 1: run the ball again. Yeah, I'm gonna go back to

1922
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:56,320
Speaker 1: a game playing point I made last year for the

1923
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:58,720
Speaker 1: opener against the Eagles. Tell Hi if you remember this one. Yes,

1924
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 1: for the Patriot to have success comes down to very

1925
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:04,160
Speaker 1: simple math. I am gonna use math. Oh, good, five

1926
01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:07,840
Speaker 1: being greater than four. They are gonna rush four guys, Yeah,

1927
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 1: pretty much all they're gonna do. Yeah, can your five

1928
01:30:10,920 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 1: blockers stop there four rushers? You're going to have an

1929
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:17,040
Speaker 1: advantage in terms of the numbers.

1930
01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:18,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point.

1931
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:20,639
Speaker 1: They actually may have an opportunity to get Cobra set

1932
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 1: some time. Now. This is also the best secondary they're

1933
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 1: playing it. I don't think guys are gonna be running

1934
01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 1: open as regularly as they were in those first two games.

1935
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:30,960
Speaker 1: But this game is set up for you to actually

1936
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 1: have some time to throw if you can get it.

1937
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 1: They're gonna have a rookie right tackle at left tackle

1938
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:39,840
Speaker 1: there Michael Win who's gonna be back at right tackle

1939
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:41,599
Speaker 1: where he struggled. They're not gonna have a lot of depth.

1940
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 1: First all, everybody's hurt, period, Like everybody's dealing with something,

1941
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:47,800
Speaker 1: even if they're playing. They don't have a lot of depth. Like,

1942
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:50,880
Speaker 1: there's a lot to manage there. But if you can

1943
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 1: make five greater than four, you might have a chance.

1944
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 1: Miss mass Special of the Week the Patriots offensive line

1945
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 1: against the Jets defensive front. This is the number one

1946
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:04,679
Speaker 1: pass in the league against the number pass which blocking again,

1947
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:07,719
Speaker 1: it kills me. You have five guys to block four guys.

1948
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:11,439
Speaker 1: I know they're good, but that should be in the

1949
01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:12,440
Speaker 1: offense advantage.

1950
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:15,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have some injuries, you know, Jermaine Johnson's out obviously,

1951
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 2: Hassan Reddick is not playing, but a friend of the program,

1952
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 2: Brandon Thorn always posts puts out like a matchup column

1953
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 2: about the trenches, like offensive defensive line. Usually he picks

1954
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:31,840
Speaker 2: one matchup where he's just like red alert, like this

1955
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:34,320
Speaker 2: is not a good matchup for this team. I would

1956
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 2: have to think that the Patriots offensive line against the

1957
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:38,960
Speaker 2: Jets front is going to be number one on his

1958
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:42,839
Speaker 2: list like that, It is a huge mismatch Quentin Williams,

1959
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 2: Like I see nightmares of Quentin Williams at this point, and.

1960
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:48,599
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're probably gonna line him up right across

1961
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:51,880
Speaker 1: from lane Robinson. Yeah, he had, say good luck rookie.

1962
01:31:51,479 --> 01:31:54,759
Speaker 2: In two games last year against the Patriots, two sacks,

1963
01:31:55,360 --> 01:32:00,639
Speaker 2: twelve quarterback pressures, six and six twelve quarterback pressure. He's

1964
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:04,280
Speaker 2: a menace. He's still on the field. We'll see about CJ. Moseley.

1965
01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:06,040
Speaker 2: Looks like he's kind of up in the air a

1966
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:08,640
Speaker 2: little bit with his status on the short week. But

1967
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:12,519
Speaker 2: their defense, it's very sound. They do what they do,

1968
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:14,960
Speaker 2: they do it at a really high level. They don't

1969
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:16,760
Speaker 2: give up a lot of chunk plays. Not that the

1970
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:18,680
Speaker 2: Patriots are making a lot of those, but they just

1971
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 2: don't in the passing game, and they are a team

1972
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:23,720
Speaker 2: that is designed to make you march like they are

1973
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 2: gonna make you go in the past game five six yards.

1974
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:29,880
Speaker 1: Well, that's an advantage for the Patriots here because the

1975
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:31,680
Speaker 1: Jets are set up to take away the thing the

1976
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 1: Patriots aren't doing anyway.

1977
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:35,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one of those teams that you know,

1978
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:38,960
Speaker 2: this defense and the way they're built defensively is for

1979
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:41,320
Speaker 2: the modern game, right like they are built to stop

1980
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:45,160
Speaker 2: josh Allen Intua in like these high power offenses where

1981
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 2: they're gonna say, we're gonna make you snap the ball

1982
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:49,400
Speaker 2: as much as possible. We're gonna make you go on

1983
01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 2: a ten twelve thirteen play scoring drive. We're not gonna

1984
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 2: give it to you in one play. The Patriots only

1985
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:58,240
Speaker 2: go on ten twelve thirteen play scoring drives. Last thing

1986
01:32:58,240 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 2: about this matchup on side of the ball, I would

1987
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 2: say that this is a week where they probably ditch

1988
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:06,439
Speaker 2: outside zone. Again, this is not a defense you want

1989
01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 2: to go sideline to sideline against. Run out of speed

1990
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:12,120
Speaker 2: right at them, right like, just get on some double teams,

1991
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:15,519
Speaker 2: maybe some counter or some draw or something like that

1992
01:33:15,560 --> 01:33:18,040
Speaker 2: to get those guys up the field, because they will

1993
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 2: go up the field like in a hurry and try

1994
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 2: to get downhill. On this team, this is a gap

1995
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:28,200
Speaker 2: run game. This is not trying to you know, make

1996
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 2: it to the corner, especially they you know, big thing

1997
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:35,439
Speaker 2: about Quarters defenses is that the safeties are freed up

1998
01:33:35,439 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 2: to run the alley in the run game. So even

1999
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:39,080
Speaker 2: though it's it's a too high shell and you think

2000
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 2: you have this light box, if you try to get

2001
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:42,960
Speaker 2: to the alley, those safeties are just going to fast

2002
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:45,320
Speaker 2: flo out of the alley really quickly. That's like what

2003
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:49,080
Speaker 2: makes Quarters actually a pretty good run defense, honestly. So

2004
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:52,639
Speaker 2: that's a tough part about it. Just watching their tape

2005
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 2: last year. Browns played this team in Week seventeen the

2006
01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 2: last year, beating them thirty seven to twenty with Joe Flacco,

2007
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:01,760
Speaker 2: and they just ran the ball right at them, like

2008
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 2: they ran some jumbo with like two tight ends and

2009
01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:08,200
Speaker 2: at tackle eligible. They had like seven dudes and one

2010
01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:11,240
Speaker 2: wide receiver out wide and they just ran it right

2011
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 2: at him. And that's exactly what I expect them to

2012
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:16,440
Speaker 2: do again this week. They can run on this team.

2013
01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:19,680
Speaker 2: I believe that they can run on this team. The

2014
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:22,960
Speaker 2: Niners did in Week one. Yeah, the Niners did in

2015
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:25,800
Speaker 2: Week one, the Browns did last year. The Patriots ran

2016
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:28,519
Speaker 2: on them a little bit last year. The passing game

2017
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:30,679
Speaker 2: is gonna be what we've seen for the first two weeks.

2018
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 2: But I really do strongly believe that as long as

2019
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:36,439
Speaker 2: they don't get married to outside zone and they don't

2020
01:34:36,479 --> 01:34:39,240
Speaker 2: try to win foot races to the corner against this team,

2021
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:41,800
Speaker 2: they can run on this football team, especially if Mosley

2022
01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:44,360
Speaker 2: doesn't play like that. That's a big part of that.

2023
01:34:44,479 --> 01:34:47,160
Speaker 2: Kind of like there Bentley. So I would say, run

2024
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 2: it right downhill at them, and uh and you know,

2025
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:52,400
Speaker 2: just picking yeah, pick it apart in the passing game,

2026
01:34:52,479 --> 01:34:54,800
Speaker 2: pick those short zones apart, just thinking dunk it down

2027
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 2: the field, and it's not gonna be pretty, but you'll

2028
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:00,559
Speaker 2: shorten the game and you'll have a th team plays

2029
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:03,599
Speaker 2: scoring drive at some point and hopefully that will get

2030
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:05,439
Speaker 2: you into a sixteen to ten game like you had

2031
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati. Really take these last two calls, and then

2032
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 2: we got to get going here to practice. But William

2033
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:16,120
Speaker 2: is back on the line. What's up, William? Hey, how

2034
01:35:16,240 --> 01:35:19,080
Speaker 2: you doing doing well? What you got all right?

2035
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:22,639
Speaker 6: All right? Okay, so just well one is not really

2036
01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:24,880
Speaker 6: a question though I just want to I got to

2037
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:26,600
Speaker 6: get you some break, and I can't believe I'm doing this.

2038
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 6: All right. You kind of won me over with the

2039
01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:32,599
Speaker 6: tackle name thanks to Alex. He was saying and watched

2040
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:36,320
Speaker 6: LSU game. I guess when he played South Carolina. Yeah,

2041
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:38,400
Speaker 6: Will Campbell is Yeah, he's legit, man.

2042
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:40,240
Speaker 1: That was like his worst game of the year too.

2043
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:43,000
Speaker 2: Everybody is freaking out about that game. Yeah, sorry, yeah,

2044
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:45,800
Speaker 2: sorry not to cut you off with him. Everybody was

2045
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:48,519
Speaker 2: I haven't watched it, but everybody's freaking out that he

2046
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:52,280
Speaker 2: was terrible. PFF had him with two quarterback pressures along

2047
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:52,879
Speaker 2: the quarterback.

2048
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 1: One of them was like he got walked back and

2049
01:35:55,560 --> 01:35:57,040
Speaker 1: it was like the third play the game.

2050
01:35:57,120 --> 01:35:58,080
Speaker 2: Yes, that's probably why.

2051
01:35:58,439 --> 01:36:03,800
Speaker 1: Also the other thing, people don't know South Carolina's ends studs. Yeah,

2052
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 1: like neither one of them are gonna be in the

2053
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:06,720
Speaker 1: draft this year. The both two young. One is a

2054
01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:10,840
Speaker 1: true freshman, but future first round probably top fifteen picks,

2055
01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:13,599
Speaker 1: all right. Emery Jones, the other tackle, who's a projected

2056
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:15,639
Speaker 1: first round pick, didn't have as good of a game,

2057
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:17,599
Speaker 1: so I think they got bunched together. But yeah, if

2058
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:20,120
Speaker 1: you like Will Campbell in that game, you're gonna be

2059
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:21,519
Speaker 1: really impressed when you see him for the rest of

2060
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:21,800
Speaker 1: the year.

2061
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:24,679
Speaker 2: If that's his worse then right, exact, pretty good shame? Yeah,

2062
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:26,600
Speaker 2: what it else he got William?

2063
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:30,200
Speaker 6: Okay? And last or not least since Alex do this

2064
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 6: out there time? All right, you gotta splink manack. You

2065
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:36,759
Speaker 6: explain it to me, Alex, Like what okay, you're saying

2066
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:40,559
Speaker 6: their page? Uh if they can go back to DK Metcalf,

2067
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:43,240
Speaker 6: what would a trade or something look like? Because I

2068
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:45,960
Speaker 6: don't know how him here and you already you got

2069
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:50,320
Speaker 6: declined two times with Calvin Ridley and Brandon I even

2070
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:52,559
Speaker 6: though we should see their pitchers are not scared to spend.

2071
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 6: But the fact is, how you going to bring him?

2072
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:56,200
Speaker 6: How would that work?

2073
01:36:56,360 --> 01:36:56,880
Speaker 3: Like you know what I mean?

2074
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 6: Could you give me some type of lamp?

2075
01:36:58,240 --> 01:36:59,320
Speaker 4: Like what would that look like?

2076
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:00,519
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2077
01:37:00,680 --> 01:37:01,760
Speaker 2: So thanks for the calling.

2078
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:07,280
Speaker 1: Here's the call. DK Metcalf is essentially in the last

2079
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:11,439
Speaker 1: year of his deal. He's under contract next year, but

2080
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:14,559
Speaker 1: there's no guaranteed money in a thirty two million dollar

2081
01:37:14,640 --> 01:37:18,160
Speaker 1: cap hit, so that's obviously no go for either side.

2082
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 1: Like he's not playing on that. He's gonna need a

2083
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:23,040
Speaker 1: new contract, just like all these receivers do, and at

2084
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:25,400
Speaker 1: some point I'm sure the Niners will look to the

2085
01:37:25,400 --> 01:37:28,120
Speaker 1: Seahawks will look to move him. Now, look, they're off

2086
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:29,960
Speaker 1: to a two and zero start, so maybe this kind

2087
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:31,439
Speaker 1: of throws a wrench in my plan. I didn't think

2088
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna be that good. Still a lot of season left.

2089
01:37:33,800 --> 01:37:36,120
Speaker 1: They feel like a team that's at a natural rebuilding point.

2090
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 1: Gino Smith is not a long term answer. Quarterback Tyler

2091
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:41,920
Speaker 1: Lockett's aging out. They've got some older players on the

2092
01:37:41,960 --> 01:37:45,360
Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball as well. Does does dk

2093
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 1: Metcalf want to stick around for that? Do they want

2094
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:50,599
Speaker 1: him rather than maybe the picks they could get to

2095
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:53,880
Speaker 1: help the position themselves to draft a quarterback or just

2096
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:57,559
Speaker 1: reload that offense overall? What does a trade look like?

2097
01:37:57,760 --> 01:37:59,400
Speaker 1: I think you make the same trade you made with

2098
01:37:59,400 --> 01:38:03,080
Speaker 1: Brandon Ayu. It's a second, a fourth, and either another

2099
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:05,760
Speaker 1: high Day three pick or a player. I don't know

2100
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:09,040
Speaker 1: how much they want Kendrick Borne, but like you throw

2101
01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:11,280
Speaker 1: in a second or fourth this year, throwing a third

2102
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:13,639
Speaker 1: or fourth next year on top of that, and then

2103
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:16,800
Speaker 1: you give him you offer him essentially you're gonna offer you.

2104
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:18,559
Speaker 1: It's gonna have to be a little more because it'll

2105
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:20,400
Speaker 1: be a year from now and the GAP's gone up

2106
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:23,799
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to, you know, equate the inflation

2107
01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:26,120
Speaker 1: the league with that. But to me, that's what it

2108
01:38:26,160 --> 01:38:29,000
Speaker 1: looks like. That that's how you get it done. And

2109
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:31,160
Speaker 1: does he want to come here? I guess it's the

2110
01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:33,240
Speaker 1: last part of that that he was asking about. Well,

2111
01:38:33,280 --> 01:38:35,679
Speaker 1: that's where Drake May comes in. Does Drake May show

2112
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:38,680
Speaker 1: enough this year that you can sell the DK Metcalf?

2113
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:40,439
Speaker 1: This is the guy we're gonna have thrown you the football.

2114
01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:43,120
Speaker 1: And DK Metcalf sees that and says, yeah, I'm gonna

2115
01:38:43,320 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be able to put up some numbers with

2116
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:45,960
Speaker 1: this guy throwing me the football.

2117
01:38:46,160 --> 01:38:49,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's we always look at the list. It's not

2118
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:52,719
Speaker 2: the guys like Higgins that are going into free agency,

2119
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:55,320
Speaker 2: it's the pre agency guys. It's the guys that are

2120
01:38:55,360 --> 01:38:57,760
Speaker 2: gonna be free agents in twenty six because those are

2121
01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:00,439
Speaker 2: the guys that are gonna start wanting contracts now. They're

2122
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:01,880
Speaker 2: going to start to run themselves.

2123
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:04,040
Speaker 1: I would say, especially Metcalf, because again it's just not

2124
01:39:05,320 --> 01:39:08,960
Speaker 1: realistic for either side. This isn't a thing where like

2125
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:11,880
Speaker 1: one side's gonna have leverage because it's favorable. Metcalf has

2126
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:15,280
Speaker 1: no guaranteed money and the Seahawks have a thirty two

2127
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:17,400
Speaker 1: million dollar cap. I don't know why this year.

2128
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:20,280
Speaker 2: Exists in his contract, yeah, honestly, and like it's not

2129
01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:22,519
Speaker 2: as fifty year option, right, No, I think this is

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Speaker 2: his second contract.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I don't know what this is. Maybe Pat's cap.

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Speaker 1: Miguel could explain this better than me, but he's not

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Speaker 1: playing on that. He's not. There's no way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, Mark is in Connecticut. What's that Mark?

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Speaker 7: Hey, guys, Evan, I think this might be more of

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01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:42,040
Speaker 7: a question for you, but I understand. Uh, Pop, our guy,

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Speaker 7: Pop Douglas is very you know, discruptled over the last

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Speaker 7: two games, and I see why, and I wanted to

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Speaker 7: get your take on it. Yeah, there's no bunch form

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01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:54,280
Speaker 7: there's no bunch formations going on. There's no quick crossing routes.

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01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:57,000
Speaker 7: There's no quicksplan that would.

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Speaker 3: Unlock Pop Douglas. And you know guys like that, you

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01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:03,120
Speaker 3: know Baker, You know those kind of guys can get

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Speaker 3: open quick. And I don't understand when you have bad tackles,

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Speaker 3: those are the kind of plays that you want to

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01:40:09,360 --> 01:40:11,920
Speaker 3: run because your quarterbacks are not going to be getting

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Speaker 3: killed back there. So what is your guys your sake

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Speaker 3: why they're not.

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Speaker 2: Doing Yeah, thanks, thanks for the call. Markets. It's a

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Speaker 2: good point and I wish we had a little bit

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01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:24,200
Speaker 2: more time to dissect it, but just quickly on Pop.

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01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:27,080
Speaker 2: I have like three theories on Pop Douglas, and I'll

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01:40:27,080 --> 01:40:29,320
Speaker 2: try to be as quick as I can. The number

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01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:32,240
Speaker 2: one theory that I have that I really feel like

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01:40:32,360 --> 01:40:34,639
Speaker 2: is driving the bus here on this because the other

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01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:37,160
Speaker 2: two are kind of a little tin foil hattie. The

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01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:40,000
Speaker 2: number one theory that I have is that for this

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01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:43,679
Speaker 2: style of offense that they're playing, Alex van Pelt does

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01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:47,040
Speaker 2: not view Pop Douglas as a base receiver in this offense.

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01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:50,720
Speaker 2: So when they're in their base early down offense, they

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01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:53,280
Speaker 2: are playing a lot of two receiver. It's a lot

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01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:56,320
Speaker 2: of twelve personnel, and it's a lot of kJ Osborne

2163
01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:59,400
Speaker 2: and Jalen Polk, right, because they want two guys. Everybody

2164
01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:01,800
Speaker 2: made fun of me. I'll say it again, Marine, even

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01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:03,880
Speaker 2: though they made fun of me. They want two guys

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01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:06,000
Speaker 2: that can dig out the nickel on duo, right, Like,

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01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:09,360
Speaker 2: if you're gonna have receivers guys that can block. Yeah,

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01:41:09,439 --> 01:41:11,599
Speaker 2: they want two guys that can block. See, he made

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01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:13,880
Speaker 2: fun of me too. They wanted a really weird way

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01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:16,360
Speaker 2: to put that. Well, I said that in a longer

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01:41:16,479 --> 01:41:19,679
Speaker 2: rant about the blocking. Okay, all right, they want two guys.

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01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:22,840
Speaker 1: They need guys. We got practice in seventeen minutes.

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01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:25,120
Speaker 2: They need receivers that can block. He's one hundred and

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Speaker 2: eighty pounds.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:27,920
Speaker 2: The one thing that he can do on early downs

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01:41:27,960 --> 01:41:30,680
Speaker 2: is motion. Right, That's that's really it. They did that

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01:41:30,760 --> 01:41:32,760
Speaker 2: a couple times with him on Sunday. That's those were

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01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:36,080
Speaker 2: his snaps on twelve personnel or motion. That's all they

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01:41:36,120 --> 01:41:38,599
Speaker 2: got in his bag. Like, he's not going to block

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01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:40,559
Speaker 2: at the point of attack, he's not going to be

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01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:42,519
Speaker 2: in the run fit. They can't have him on the

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01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:44,519
Speaker 2: field for those types of things. If this is the

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01:41:44,520 --> 01:41:46,639
Speaker 2: offense they're going to be. He is not a base

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01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:50,479
Speaker 2: receiver in their offense. The second theory, which I really

2186
01:41:50,479 --> 01:41:53,080
Speaker 2: feel like has some validity to it. I don't think

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01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:56,080
Speaker 2: Jacob Recept particularly likes throwing him the ball. He's talked

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01:41:56,080 --> 01:41:58,799
Speaker 2: about it a lot in the summer. He's a shorter receiver.

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01:41:59,160 --> 01:42:01,120
Speaker 2: I don't think Jacob he has a ton of experience

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01:42:01,200 --> 01:42:04,160
Speaker 2: throwing to five foot eight receivers. Do you have to

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01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:07,120
Speaker 2: be really accurate with the football to throw to a

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01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:09,240
Speaker 2: guy like that because he doesn't have a big catch radius.

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01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:11,840
Speaker 2: He also probably isn't going to box out a lot

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01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:14,600
Speaker 2: of guys at the catch point either, so you have

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01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:16,840
Speaker 2: to put the ball on them like it's got to

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01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:19,759
Speaker 2: be a good throw. He doesn't look one hundred percent

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01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:24,400
Speaker 2: comfortable in my estimation throwing the football to Pop Douglas. Now,

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01:42:24,479 --> 01:42:27,400
Speaker 2: is that a fair enough excuse? Probably not. But at

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Speaker 2: the same time, he's the one throwing the football, right

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01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:31,760
Speaker 2: So I can't sit here and say, Jacoby, you have

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Speaker 2: to do this because he's the one throwing it. He's

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01:42:33,880 --> 01:42:36,160
Speaker 2: the one out there on game they doing it. The

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01:42:36,240 --> 01:42:39,640
Speaker 2: third theory I have is pacing, Like I don't know

2204
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:42,599
Speaker 2: if they wanted to force feed him like you mentioned,

2205
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:45,439
Speaker 2: like jet sweeps and screens and like all that, Like

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01:42:45,479 --> 01:42:47,280
Speaker 2: you know, it's week two. I don't know if they

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01:42:47,320 --> 01:42:49,080
Speaker 2: wanted to do that with him right out of the

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01:42:49,120 --> 01:42:51,840
Speaker 2: gate and have him take those shots and take those

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01:42:51,880 --> 01:42:54,680
Speaker 2: body blows this early on in the season. My I

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01:42:54,720 --> 01:42:56,400
Speaker 2: would say, if I had to split up the pie,

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01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:01,360
Speaker 2: I probably go like sixty five percent that his usage

2212
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:03,400
Speaker 2: and the fact that he's a base receiver or not

2213
01:43:03,479 --> 01:43:05,519
Speaker 2: a base receiver in this offense and there's not a

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01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:08,160
Speaker 2: ton of playing time there for him, I'd go, you know,

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01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:10,960
Speaker 2: kind of split the rest of it between Jacoby and

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01:43:11,479 --> 01:43:15,160
Speaker 2: in pacing. But in terms of like the bunches and

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01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:17,680
Speaker 2: the slants and all that kind of stuff, I have

2218
01:43:17,800 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 2: been a little bit surprised that we haven't seen more

2219
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:23,200
Speaker 2: of that simply because it's a West Coast offense. When

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01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:25,200
Speaker 2: they get into their drop back pass game, and that

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01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:27,960
Speaker 2: is the West Coast offense, right, Like you know, I

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01:43:27,960 --> 01:43:31,320
Speaker 2: remember watching like highlights as a kid of Jerry Rice

2223
01:43:31,439 --> 01:43:33,679
Speaker 2: just taking slants like seventy five yards of the house

2224
01:43:33,720 --> 01:43:37,400
Speaker 2: like that. That's this offense. My guess is is that

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01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:41,400
Speaker 2: there's a lot of game planning going in for defenses

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01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:43,479
Speaker 2: where they're saying like that's kind of what the Patriots

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01:43:43,520 --> 01:43:45,439
Speaker 2: are gonna do, right, Like they're gonna throw quick passes

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01:43:45,439 --> 01:43:46,840
Speaker 2: over the middle of the field and try to get

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01:43:46,840 --> 01:43:49,560
Speaker 2: some guys loose, like Pop Douglas. So my guess is

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01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:52,200
Speaker 2: that they're taking some of that stuff away. But those

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01:43:52,200 --> 01:43:56,439
Speaker 2: are my three theories on Pop Douglas and just quickly,

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01:43:56,439 --> 01:43:57,880
Speaker 2: where do you kind of stand on him?

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01:43:58,640 --> 01:44:00,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's all I agree with you

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01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:04,559
Speaker 1: across the board. They want receivers that can block. I

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01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:07,519
Speaker 1: wonder if there's a trust a level of trust with Jacoby.

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01:44:08,479 --> 01:44:15,240
Speaker 1: But at a certain point, if you're Jacober set pop Doug,

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01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:17,759
Speaker 1: it's gonna help you win games. It's gonna help you, frankly,

2238
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:20,120
Speaker 1: keep your job or not even just keep your job,

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01:44:20,160 --> 01:44:22,599
Speaker 1: but like get your job elsewhere next year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a weapon for you.

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01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:25,759
Speaker 1: You gotta figure out a way to get him involved.

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01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:29,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, all right, Dad wraps it up for this show.

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Speaker 2: I really enjoy the fact that we just did a

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01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:35,639
Speaker 2: show where we didn't like debate about Drake May because

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01:44:35,640 --> 01:44:37,160
Speaker 2: I feel like that's like, you know, should he play?

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01:44:37,160 --> 01:44:39,479
Speaker 2: Should he not? Should he not play? Let's give it

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01:44:39,479 --> 01:44:41,040
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks, folks, and see what it looks

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01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:43,439
Speaker 2: like on Thursday night. I'm not ready to go there

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01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:48,760
Speaker 2: just yet, but we'll see. I will be back normal time,

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Speaker 2: I believe next week. Normal Thursday show next week, and

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Speaker 2: we'll get back into the swing of things. And then

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Speaker 2: for the first time, like little Humba brat the first time,

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