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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition

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<v Speaker 1>the show. You know that means we got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about. As always, last night at XT, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of good wrestling on NXT. I couldn't hate the

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<v Speaker 1>show yesterday. The booking sucks, but the wrestling itself was

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<v Speaker 1>very good, particularly the women's main event, which was actually

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<v Speaker 1>the best match on the show. So we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>that here today. We got Dynamite coming up tonight. We

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<v Speaker 1>got a full lineup for the show. More added, including

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<v Speaker 1>some new signees, who, as is always the case in AW,

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<v Speaker 1>will be debuting to get beat. But that's the way

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<v Speaker 1>the Netflix, WBD, Netflix, and AW. What's the latest. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you here today TENA impact ratings from the Thursday

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<v Speaker 1>AMC debut. We actually have a correction from the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the show yesterday. Champa is gone from WWE, Shingo

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<v Speaker 1>is injured, somebody maybe coming to WWE. Got an update

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<v Speaker 1>on RUSSEV and Nixon, Newell quote which I will read

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we're back here on the show. We're on top

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<v Speaker 1>of our game like we always are, right Tom.

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<v Speaker 8>We sure are. I mean, there's no departure from the norm.

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<v Speaker 1>We have no guests today, but we will have a

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<v Speaker 1>guest later this week and I can alert you all

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<v Speaker 1>also next week and the week after what they're coming

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<v Speaker 1>out of.

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<v Speaker 8>The woodwork you didn't even alert me of to appear.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I just found out to appear on this show.

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<v Speaker 3>Ha.

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<v Speaker 1>People jumping out of the woodwork, and I'm sure there

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<v Speaker 1>will be more to come. There's an open invite to

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<v Speaker 1>be a guest on this show. You know, everybody, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not like we ever got anything to talk about.

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<v Speaker 8>The only people that ever really want to come on

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<v Speaker 8>and talk to us, Brian are people who have something

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<v Speaker 8>to sell.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, of course any times to Indian.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah that's true. But you know, we try to keep it,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, at least on the academic side, not ruin

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<v Speaker 8>people's days on the radio. So we have some esteemed guests,

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<v Speaker 8>or at least on my end, we have.

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<v Speaker 1>They're all esteemed.

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<v Speaker 8>Tomorrow will be the author of Way of the Blade

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<v Speaker 8>one and two Oh Wow, including the aw edition, a

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<v Speaker 8>man who has promoted the Dean shows in the past,

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<v Speaker 8>and the now upcoming Death Valley Days show taking place

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<v Speaker 8>next month. Tomorrow we will have Phil Schneider, who I

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<v Speaker 8>am very excited to speak to.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Yennie pop Pye here says I'm available with

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<v Speaker 1>my price is high, which reminds me there's someone else

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<v Speaker 1>you're supposed to be trying to get on this show,

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<v Speaker 1>Tom do Jordy forget no, I remember, Okay, you just

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<v Speaker 1>haven't done anything yet.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm tempering it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, listen aw Dynamitis. Tonight we have a full card

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<v Speaker 1>Key Omega versus Josh Alexander, which Josh Alexander is very

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<v Speaker 1>excited to have this match. He's it's a dream match

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<v Speaker 1>of his. It should be great. M j F will appear,

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<v Speaker 1>Swerve Strickland versus Kevin Knight, which should be great. Mina,

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<v Speaker 1>Shira Cow and Tony Storm versus Megan Bain and Penelope Ford.

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<v Speaker 1>We're already kicking off the Death Writers and a don

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<v Speaker 1>Kallis family that escalated very quickly from collision. Moxley Wheeler

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<v Speaker 1>and Daniel Garcia versus Rocky et Cicero and Lance Archer.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought Echi Sarah was injured, so we'll see what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Triangle of Madness will make an appearance. Samo Joe faces

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<v Speaker 1>Speedball Mike Bailey and it is a It would not

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<v Speaker 1>be aw if we do not have a brand new

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<v Speaker 1>debuting team put into a match that they will assuredly lose.

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<v Speaker 1>Alex Price and Jordan Oliver, newly signed, will be facing FTR.

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<v Speaker 1>So that is the lineup for Dynamite tonight, and that

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<v Speaker 1>brings us to this story that came out yesterday. Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>Reporter delved into a five hundred and night teen page

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<v Speaker 1>SEC document that it came out Tuesday morning, heralded Netflix's

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<v Speaker 1>all catch adjustment to their offer to acquire the Warner

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<v Speaker 1>Brothers Studio and other assets from WBD, which would leave

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<v Speaker 1>the cable channels behind. In their research, Hollywood Reporter surmised

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<v Speaker 1>that because AW was not specifically mentioned in document, that

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<v Speaker 1>after the deal is done, AW programming, including pay per views,

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<v Speaker 1>are expected to continue streaming and simulcasting on HBO Max

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<v Speaker 1>to the end of their current contract, which ends in

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<v Speaker 1>either twenty twenty seven or twenty twenty eight, depending on

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<v Speaker 1>the option, and they opined that AW would likely join

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<v Speaker 1>Turner Sports streaming app that would be operated by Global

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<v Speaker 1>Linear Networks, the company that would hold all the assets

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<v Speaker 1>not to being taken by Netflix. This would be if

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<v Speaker 1>the option is picked up and if they re sign

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<v Speaker 1>with WBD.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, who's in charge of Global Linear Networks? Is that

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<v Speaker 8>just like somebody left over from WBD?

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<v Speaker 1>Now app, it's the Turnersports streaming app.

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<v Speaker 8>That's what their parent company will.

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<v Speaker 1>Be it'll be Global Linear Networks.

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<v Speaker 8>Wow, that really rolls off the tongue.

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<v Speaker 1>It sure does. They also speculated some kind of non

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<v Speaker 1>exclusive arrangement could be cut where both HBO Max and

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<v Speaker 1>Turner Sports are AW events. All of this would be

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<v Speaker 1>assuming that AW remains with WBDGLN after the current deal

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<v Speaker 1>is up. The report confirmed, which is something that we

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<v Speaker 1>have known for a while, that in fact WBD does

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<v Speaker 1>own a minority stake in AW, which will remain with

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<v Speaker 1>GLn post Netflix sale. The steak in AW would have

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<v Speaker 1>to be less than ten percent, or else WBD would

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<v Speaker 1>need to disclose that information publicly. AW head Tony Kahan

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<v Speaker 1>has been asked to confirm this before. While he has

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<v Speaker 1>never done that, he has also never denied it. So

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<v Speaker 1>they own less than ten percent, but they do own

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<v Speaker 1>ownership stake. Report opine and Netflix and HBO Max would

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<v Speaker 1>probably not fight to keep AW, perhaps due to the

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<v Speaker 1>unconfirmed non complete non compete clause TKO incorporated in their

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<v Speaker 1>Netflix deal quote a relic of the old days. In

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<v Speaker 1>other words, they believe that when WWE went to Netflix,

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<v Speaker 1>they had a non compete clause basically stating no other

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<v Speaker 1>pro wrestling programming, live weekly programming while they're on Netflix.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the story there. So really I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>anything we didn't know, you know, if WBD, if Netflix,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, wins and ends up purchasing the studio and such.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean nothing, There's nothing that's going to change with

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<v Speaker 1>AW until at least next year, okay, and that is.

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<v Speaker 8>With the end of the contract with HBO Max.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, they will stay on HBO Max through this contract

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<v Speaker 1>period which ends in twenty twenty seven, although there is

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<v Speaker 1>a one year option that could be picked up to

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty eight, which presumably will be. But there's no guarantee.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, if you are a new sports app like

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<v Speaker 8>this TT sports app is going to be, I would

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<v Speaker 8>think that you would want to at least hold on

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<v Speaker 8>to the properties that have some fans that you have

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<v Speaker 8>control of. And AW is like the only thing that

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<v Speaker 8>they currently have in that realm. I mean they have hockey, right,

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<v Speaker 8>hockey does well, but college basketball.

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<v Speaker 1>Also. Yes, yesterday we had the impact number at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the show, but that number was in fact incorrect.

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<v Speaker 1>It was incorrect. Are you saying you were wrong the

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<v Speaker 1>actual number of viewers? Actually? I mean I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to throw the guy under the bus, but we did credit.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't even I don't want to throw him nder

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<v Speaker 1>the bus. But anyway, the actual number for the debut

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<v Speaker 1>on AMC was one hundred and seventy three thousand viewers.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe the ninety thousand number. The original number that

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<v Speaker 1>came out was like ninety thousand, I think. And the

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<v Speaker 1>reason that number came out is because they had some

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<v Speaker 1>weird ranking thing, and I think what happened was Impact

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<v Speaker 1>was ranked ninety, but it was mistakenly thought that that

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<v Speaker 1>was the actual viewership of the show. So anyway, one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and seventy three thousand viewers and a zero point

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<v Speaker 1>zero four.

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<v Speaker 3>So.

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<v Speaker 1>They did fewer. If we're gonna make any comparison, this

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<v Speaker 1>past week's Collision did more viewers. They did two hunred

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<v Speaker 1>seventy one thousand viewers, but TNA did beat them in

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<v Speaker 1>the demo. TENA did a point zero four, Collision at

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<v Speaker 1>a point zero three.

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<v Speaker 8>So and with both you also have to imagine there

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<v Speaker 8>are people watching streaming. I don't know what the percentage

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<v Speaker 8>is comparatively between the HBO Max streaming network and the

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<v Speaker 8>AMC streaming You would imagine that HBO has a much

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<v Speaker 8>larger reach, but that doesn't necessarily mean that more people

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<v Speaker 8>are watching.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the other thing is is when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to TNA, we actually have them streaming in two different places,

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<v Speaker 1>so right, no, I don't think I don't think. We

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<v Speaker 1>have TNA Plus and AMC Plus. So they're on AMC,

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<v Speaker 1>AMC Plus and TNA Plus. So obviously more people are

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<v Speaker 1>watching than this. But we're not going to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just these are the these are the

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<v Speaker 1>numbers everyone. And uh, my guess is that Collision will

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<v Speaker 1>probably I think Collision and TNA and AMC are the

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<v Speaker 1>fairest comparison because I think they're going to probably be battling.

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<v Speaker 1>Although I do think that, you know, it's always the

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<v Speaker 1>first week that does the best, and especially after that

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<v Speaker 1>first show. If they do one hundred and seventy thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and point four this coming Thursday, they should be thanking

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<v Speaker 1>the good Lord. I did not expect that to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, it could be closer to that ninety thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and zer point oh three, but we'll see, we shall see.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah. I think TNA used to have a subscription service

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<v Speaker 8>on YouTube that is no longer there they am confused

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<v Speaker 8>for sure, but now it is no I am on

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<v Speaker 8>their YouTube and that is no longer an option. So

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<v Speaker 8>although you could go watch oh right now, Bully Ray

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<v Speaker 8>doing a promo with Devon and Jeremy Borash backstage, look

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<v Speaker 8>at that you know about live all right?

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<v Speaker 1>Back in a moment with more news, Well do the

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<v Speaker 1>NXT report later on. Back in a moment Observer Live.

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<v Speaker 2>You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez

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<v Speaker 2>and Mike simper Vivi on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.

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<v Speaker 1>In the show, ray Albatz here Wrestling Observer Live. Chop

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<v Speaker 1>confirmed is WWE departure, He said, in the very near

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<v Speaker 1>future of my contract with WWE officially comes to an end.

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<v Speaker 1>Like to thank every single person who contributed the last

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<v Speaker 1>ten years of this incredible journey, very special thinking. All

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<v Speaker 1>the men and women in the locker room would be

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<v Speaker 1>remissed not to give a special thinking to my Black

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<v Speaker 1>and Gold family, my wife and daughter spend the first

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<v Speaker 1>decades of my career traveling world in the independent scene,

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<v Speaker 1>second decade traveling world with WWE. I have one decade remaining.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm unexcited for whatever challenges that lie ahead. I'm an

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly lucky person, one of the few who has spent

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<v Speaker 1>his entire adult life living in his childhood dream and

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<v Speaker 1>it continues to evolve. And he says with that said,

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time in over ten years, I'm available

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<v Speaker 1>for all appearances, signings, photo ops, seminars, movies, TV appearance.

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<v Speaker 1>It's finish collaboration, sponsorships, and so forth. Funny, so am

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<v Speaker 1>I in contact him at book Chop at gmail dot

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<v Speaker 1>com or I'm at f W online at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>I should get that guy in cameo. It's another good one.

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<v Speaker 1>He might be on there for all I know. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, uh, Shingo tokagiy today only now you tell

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<v Speaker 1>me this?

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<v Speaker 8>No, but I think I think that's the way that

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<v Speaker 8>we should do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, let me get through some news real quick,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we'll talk about NXT and then we'll make

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<v Speaker 1>a switch here. All right, Shingo Tokagi. We'll be missing

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<v Speaker 1>some upcoming New Japan events, but he won't be out

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<v Speaker 1>of action long. He's got Are you ready for this?

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<v Speaker 1>Damage sustained January nineteenth and twentieth due to his left

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<v Speaker 1>rib cage and torso.

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<v Speaker 8>This is Shingo Takagi. Yeah, did this happen on his honeymoon?

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know, man, because didn't he just get married

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<v Speaker 8>married to nets and now now he's injured?

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<v Speaker 1>It said this was it did say? Ad?

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<v Speaker 8>What did you say? Is Pelvis region?

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<v Speaker 1>Bro, we gotta get moving here? Geez? By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, Evil Evil might be on his way

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<v Speaker 1>out of Noo Japan, and it is it is strongly

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<v Speaker 1>rumored that he is on his way to Wwe Well, which,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, Tony Khan does like Evil. Remember that, Remember

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<v Speaker 1>that weird story that came out. I always love weird

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<v Speaker 1>stories that are so oddly specific. Tony Khan doesn't like Evil.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, what do you mean you don't like evil?

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<v Speaker 1>Like there'll be a mark, Like the guy can work.

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<v Speaker 1>He just does those houses, torture manches. You don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to let him so anyway, Evil.

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<v Speaker 8>Evil is one of the best heels in the business. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>without a doubt, There's no doubt in my mind, like

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<v Speaker 8>top ten heel. You can hate the stick, you can

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<v Speaker 8>hate what it represents, you can boo it all you want,

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<v Speaker 8>but he is fantastic at what he does. I love,

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<v Speaker 8>I absolutely love nothing more than a heel who's not

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<v Speaker 8>trying to get cheered, and evil is exactly that.

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<v Speaker 1>I evil, I will very quickly say with no comments

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<v Speaker 1>added Nixon. Newell did a long interview with The Wrestling

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<v Speaker 1>Classic and she believes there was no ill will on

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<v Speaker 1>either side and that they could be back moose. Guys

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<v Speaker 1>watching that TNA pay per view with that guy took

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<v Speaker 1>that backdrop onto the steps and he landed about his

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<v Speaker 1>perfectly use you can land and it played into the

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<v Speaker 1>match and everything. Apparently he screwed his back up, so

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<v Speaker 1>that was that he did get hurt on that spot,

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<v Speaker 1>but he didn't make it back in and he did

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<v Speaker 1>continue the match, and he has had back problems for

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<v Speaker 1>a long time, but like it worked so perfectly into

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<v Speaker 1>that match. I thought for sure it was like all

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<v Speaker 1>by design, and apparently it wasn't. He hurt his back,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm sure he was supposed to take the bump

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<v Speaker 1>and sell the back for a while. But it's like

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<v Speaker 1>one of those deals where you know you do an

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<v Speaker 1>injury an injury spot, and then you actually get injured

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<v Speaker 1>doing it. What is happening over there? If you weren't

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<v Speaker 1>going to ask producer for this show while we're at it,

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<v Speaker 1>just say we're gonna give him a call on the telephone.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't even him, Okay, all right, hopefully it's not

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<v Speaker 1>Nixon Newell. All right, a couple of notes from the

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<v Speaker 1>NXT show. We just got to do a quick couple

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<v Speaker 1>of notes here. So the booking's terrible. Nothing has changed there.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get the negative out of the way first. The

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<v Speaker 1>booking sucks. The Tony d storyline is death. Literally, his

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<v Speaker 1>gimmick is like bearded angry mute. He never talks. He

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<v Speaker 1>just stands there with his beard, looking into the camera

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<v Speaker 1>with his beady eyes, and he beats everybody up. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's all he did on the show. And finally Ava

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<v Speaker 1>called the cops and he got arrested, and he just

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<v Speaker 1>kept interfering in all these matches, and I was just like,

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<v Speaker 1>are we going anywhere with this?

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<v Speaker 8>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>What are we doing here? This sucks? Am I supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to like the guy? Dislike the guy? Like why is

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<v Speaker 1>he employed? I don't get it. And then they're doing

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing talking about stupid booking. They got that

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<v Speaker 1>guy what's that guy's name? No, the Carver, Brian he

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<v Speaker 1>Keanu Carver. Okay, so like Tony D, who is a

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<v Speaker 1>contracted wrestler, keeps showing up and beating up people, and

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<v Speaker 1>so Ava has had the guy arrested. The cops came

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<v Speaker 1>and arrested him. Okay, Meanwhile, this Keanu Carver is not

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<v Speaker 1>only basically doing the same thing, but they set him

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<v Speaker 1>up for an interview and he says, I ain't talking,

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<v Speaker 1>and so this numbskull interviewer decides asking him a question anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>he goes to hear me I said, I'm not talking,

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<v Speaker 1>and he stands up and he leaves. And then they

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<v Speaker 1>did another one later where like he was asked to

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<v Speaker 1>do something and he didn't and he just he just

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<v Speaker 1>stormed out and it was like, why are you employed?

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<v Speaker 1>Who is employing you? What are we paying you to

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<v Speaker 1>do here? So that sucks.

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<v Speaker 8>Blake Blake is the guy's Blake Howard. He infuriates me

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<v Speaker 8>every single time he's on screen.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh this guy, he's I've turned the corner on Blake Howard.

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<v Speaker 1>His absolutely completely useless. That's his gimmick.

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<v Speaker 8>Tony d is getting arrested and he decides this is

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<v Speaker 8>my chance. Yeah, this is my chance to make a

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<v Speaker 8>shot in this industry. I'm gonna get the Scoop and

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<v Speaker 8>he runs up. Well, Tony D is getting cuffed and

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<v Speaker 8>shoved into a cop car and he's badgering him, asking

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<v Speaker 8>him questions, and I howled. I died because as he's

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<v Speaker 8>like miffed by what's going on, he's baffled. Otm walks

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<v Speaker 8>up and they push this nerd. They bush pushed him

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<v Speaker 8>to the ground and then kind of promo on Dark State. Yes,

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<v Speaker 8>I loved.

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<v Speaker 1>It all right now some good. The opening match was

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<v Speaker 1>Ethan Page and Eliel Lafleur NXT North American Title. This

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<v Speaker 1>match was really frickin good and Eliel Lafleur. You can

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<v Speaker 1>see that like he still does have a way to

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<v Speaker 1>go with certain things, but he's really good and the

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<v Speaker 1>fans love him and he's really spectacular, and this was like,

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<v Speaker 1>this was so NXT in twenty twenty six. They do

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<v Speaker 1>this match and I just thought, you know what, you

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<v Speaker 1>just lost at least four big name talents, Like you're

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<v Speaker 1>out of talent right now. You've got like Ricky Starkz

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<v Speaker 1>and Ethan Page on the men's side at least, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, you guys need to make a star like

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<v Speaker 1>right now. And this Elie Lafleur it was like the

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<v Speaker 1>perfect day, bring this guy in, have him have an

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<v Speaker 1>awesome match, beat Ethan Page for the North American title.

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<v Speaker 1>Anybody want to guess. They beat him, and then later

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<v Speaker 1>he SLINKs his way to av and just goes, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for the opportunity, and she goes, don't worry, Ilio,

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<v Speaker 1>We'll make sure that you have another appearance someday. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>you made him the biggest nerd in his debut when

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<v Speaker 1>you could have just made him the champion on the

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<v Speaker 1>first day and actually made a star. God, I was like, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>who cares. Then Shiloh Hill and Josh Briggs they just

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<v Speaker 1>had like a pro version of a fight.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh my god. On commentary Booker T. I could not

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<v Speaker 8>believe what Booker T said. I think I wrote it

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<v Speaker 8>down word for word. But like he's wrestling shallow Hill

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<v Speaker 8>and Booker Steve starts saying, man, this Josh Briggs. If

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<v Speaker 8>he doesn't gonna win soon, he's gonna get cut from

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<v Speaker 8>ww You know what happens after WrestleMania people get cut.

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<v Speaker 8>You're gonna lose his job. And then he lost.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. Booker was Wow. Booker was Booker But

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<v Speaker 1>that was a really good match, and then Sean Legacy

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<v Speaker 1>and Eli Knight This was also a really good match.

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<v Speaker 8>Also Swipe Wright who are now just the Vanity Project?

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<v Speaker 8>And Chase You I thought was great.

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<v Speaker 1>It was actually it wasn't so much that match that

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<v Speaker 1>was great. But what was great about that match was

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<v Speaker 1>Kale Yeah, the guy named after.

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<v Speaker 8>Like, the Vanity Projects are awesome, come.

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<v Speaker 1>They did a good job, but like, this was the

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<v Speaker 1>best Kale Dixon I've ever seen in my entire life. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>he looked so good in this match. It was like, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if this guy looks like this all the time, why

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<v Speaker 1>is he not on the main roster? I've never seen

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<v Speaker 1>this guy look this good. He was freaking awesome in

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<v Speaker 1>this match.

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<v Speaker 8>He did one of the best Fosbury flops you've ever

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<v Speaker 8>seen and then a fantastic the full twist splash. Yeah, well, maybe,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, maybe he's got some other things that he

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<v Speaker 8>needs to shore up before he obviously gets the main

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<v Speaker 8>roster or he's in a singles role. But man, what

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<v Speaker 8>we saw in this match was beyond promising.

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<v Speaker 1>And then after all that, the best match on the

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<v Speaker 1>show was Kendall and Wren versus Fatal Influence versus Solenzaria.

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<v Speaker 1>The only problem with this match, which isn't really a

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<v Speaker 1>problem with this match in particular, is they did so

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<v Speaker 1>much stuff. It was so ultra choreographed that I watched

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<v Speaker 1>it and I just thought, you know what, no one's

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<v Speaker 1>actually learning anything that's gonna help them on the main

0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:30.439
<v Speaker 1>roster in this match. They're just having this incredible performance

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<v Speaker 1>that they practiced. But my god, this match was incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>And this Kendall, this like Kendall Gray. We had Kendall

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<v Speaker 1>Red both the d and Fantastic Soul and Zaria, but

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<v Speaker 1>bro Kendall was the best woman in this match. By miles.

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<v Speaker 2>You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez

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<v Speaker 2>and Mike Sempervivi on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.

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<v Speaker 1>Good Gun, Almighty, We're back and Yes, Phil Schneider is

0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:51.520
<v Speaker 1>on the show today. Everybody right now, he's here.

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<v Speaker 8>Phil Schneider, the author, Yeah, the author of Way of

0:30:56.360 --> 0:31:01.880
<v Speaker 8>the Blade, the promoter of Segoon deck Kaya Action. Thank

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<v Speaker 8>you for being on the show as we had planned today, Phil, no.

0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:10.080
<v Speaker 3>Good, I'm glad to do it. This actually day works

0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:12.600
<v Speaker 3>better for me today than the day I thought I

0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:17.120
<v Speaker 3>was working. Our second car is in the shop, so

0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:21.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm just at home reading law school files.

0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:24.400
<v Speaker 1>It's sitting around, very very exciting how we made this work.

0:31:24.520 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 3>Phil.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you've ever been on the show

0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:28.960
<v Speaker 1>with me? Have you? Have we ever spoken with them?

0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:32.280
<v Speaker 3>I was talking to Tom about this. I think Brian,

0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 3>me and you briefly met at the APW King of

0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:37.400
<v Speaker 3>the Indies in two thousand and one. I was there,

0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:41.800
<v Speaker 3>and I think that I used to call the IATE

0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 3>a show occasionally, but outside of that, I think it's

0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:49.320
<v Speaker 3>been twenty odd years since we've chatted.

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<v Speaker 10>Im.

0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:53.000
<v Speaker 1>I remember I used to go on Death Valley Driver

0:31:53.080 --> 0:31:56.440
<v Speaker 1>all the time. I stole all the Dean's gimmicks, and

0:31:56.840 --> 0:31:58.960
<v Speaker 1>I know your name like the back of my hand.

0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 1>But we've never like done a show here. So very

0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:04.000
<v Speaker 1>exciting today to talk about all this stuff.

0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:09.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but happy to be here, glad to glad to

0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 3>touch Basically obviously I know Tom well, but like I said,

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:16.160
<v Speaker 3>this is a first, first chance in many, many decades.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'll let I'll let Tom ask about the book

0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:19.880
<v Speaker 1>in a second. But I got asked the one, the

0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:23.440
<v Speaker 1>one question here, which is, uh, tell us about how

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:27.160
<v Speaker 1>the The Dean shows began and and they have now

0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:29.280
<v Speaker 1>they've been altered? Is that right?

0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:35.040
<v Speaker 3>Well? So, uh, the first I kind of wanted its

0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:38.200
<v Speaker 3>bucket list thing to do was promote a show for

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:41.360
<v Speaker 3>a long time. But something I always kind of always

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:44.520
<v Speaker 3>was on my you know, long list of things I

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:48.280
<v Speaker 3>wanted to check off. And I got in touch with

0:32:48.400 --> 0:32:51.880
<v Speaker 3>Matt Griffin, who promotes Action wrestling in Georgia and he

0:32:52.000 --> 0:32:55.000
<v Speaker 3>was also a death ally driver board guy going back,

0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 3>you know decades, and had the idea of kicked around

0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:03.320
<v Speaker 3>the idea surely of bringing Yuki Ishikawa and Desuki Akida

0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 3>to America or wressel their match because they've done it

0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:09.480
<v Speaker 3>in Japan a lot, and did in Germany but never

0:33:09.520 --> 0:33:12.040
<v Speaker 3>done it in the US. So that was the original idea.

0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:16.120
<v Speaker 3>We got somewhere down the farther down the road with

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 3>those guys ended up they Ishikawa basically said, look, I

0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:22.680
<v Speaker 3>think my back's two messed up to travel and do

0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 3>this kind of match like I need to sort of

0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:29.560
<v Speaker 3>pass along to the next generation of guys. So then

0:33:29.560 --> 0:33:32.720
<v Speaker 3>we kind of shifted to Mania Weekend, shifted to a

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:36.400
<v Speaker 3>different you know, card ran the media weekend show that

0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:39.600
<v Speaker 3>people seem to really enjoy, got a lot of you know,

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:44.880
<v Speaker 3>was a artistic if not a financial success. Then ran

0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:48.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, got in, I got in touch with Tony Kahan,

0:33:49.480 --> 0:33:53.080
<v Speaker 3>and we ran D two and D three sort of

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:58.320
<v Speaker 3>in relation with a relationship with ROH. And then this one,

0:33:58.360 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 3>the next show that we've got coming up in five

0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:02.160
<v Speaker 3>or a death Valley days. We you know, we did

0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:04.440
<v Speaker 3>left the D name, put the D name to the

0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:06.280
<v Speaker 3>side a little bit. I thought we sort of covered

0:34:06.320 --> 0:34:08.880
<v Speaker 3>it with the first three shows. This one's gonna be

0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:11.960
<v Speaker 3>more of back up. We're not in a major label anymore.

0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:15.000
<v Speaker 3>We're back on Discord Records, doing more of a smaller

0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:18.120
<v Speaker 3>indie show, but with some really cool ideas, and theoretically

0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:21.040
<v Speaker 3>might be hook up back with r o H later

0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:23.160
<v Speaker 3>this year, but you know, that's in the that's in

0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:25.280
<v Speaker 3>the discussion rather than the date.

0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:28.320
<v Speaker 1>Plant and Tony Kahan was a Death Valley Driver troll

0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:29.520
<v Speaker 1>back in the day, wasn't.

0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:33.040
<v Speaker 3>He Yeah, yeah, he was a he coached Tony K.

0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:35.120
<v Speaker 3>I had obviously no idea, uh.

0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:39.000
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I slapped him around a couple of times

0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:39.640
<v Speaker 1>on that board.

0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 8>I don't know.

0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:44.440
<v Speaker 3>I was a bigger, much bigger dick had when I

0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:46.920
<v Speaker 3>was like twenty five than I am now. So probably,

0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:49.279
<v Speaker 3>but I'll mean here, he didn't hold it. He didn't

0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:52.080
<v Speaker 3>hold it a grudge. Obviously we're buddies now.

0:34:54.040 --> 0:34:56.560
<v Speaker 8>I'll phil this upcoming show, the Death Valley Days show.

0:34:56.680 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 8>It's taking place in just outside of Knoxville, Tennessee. Is

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:04.600
<v Speaker 8>that Chattanooga. Oh, I'm sorry that Chattanooga is a much

0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:08.919
<v Speaker 8>better place to be fair, So sorry, Chattanoogan's out there.

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:12.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've ever been. I've only been to I've been

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 3>to Nashville is the only part of tendency I've been

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 3>due before. So I'm looking forward to checking out, uh Chattanoo.

0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:20.520
<v Speaker 3>Yet the Red Bank Arena, which is where a promotion

0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:22.240
<v Speaker 3>called twe runs pretty regular.

0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:25.880
<v Speaker 8>What do you have on the card so far for

0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:26.439
<v Speaker 8>that night?

0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:30.920
<v Speaker 3>So so far we've got three matches, Uh, well, two

0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:34.520
<v Speaker 3>matches officially lined up and then a third appearance. I

0:35:34.560 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 3>don't think we've officially dropped the opponent, but we've got

0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:42.839
<v Speaker 3>mad Dog Connolly who had versus Slade and mad Dog

0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:47.479
<v Speaker 3>Connolly was main evented semi main event of the first

0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:50.359
<v Speaker 3>show against Demas, which is a match that a lot

0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:53.600
<v Speaker 3>of people really loved. May evented the second show against

0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:58.520
<v Speaker 3>Adam Priest and a dog collar matches in the third

0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:01.040
<v Speaker 3>show with e w Arena lost his haired Demons. So

0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:02.360
<v Speaker 3>he's been kind of the guy that's been on the

0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:05.440
<v Speaker 3>top of most of the shows that we've done. He's

0:36:05.480 --> 0:36:10.480
<v Speaker 3>wrestling Slay. He was a you know, really great brawler

0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:13.279
<v Speaker 3>from the East Coast. The guy has been at you know,

0:36:13.400 --> 0:36:17.320
<v Speaker 3>sort of does the prison gimmick both as a shoot

0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:19.840
<v Speaker 3>and in real life. He wasn't on the first show

0:36:20.440 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 3>because he was locked up.

0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:25.239
<v Speaker 8>He's headlined many state penitentiary cards in his.

0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:30.319
<v Speaker 3>Day, headlines all of those, and you know, and we

0:36:30.400 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 3>had him on he was on part of Dean three

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:35.640
<v Speaker 3>and I remember him just kind of being pacing backstage,

0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:39.480
<v Speaker 3>terrifying back to so it.

0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:43.279
<v Speaker 1>Felt like, before you go any further, no swearing on

0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:47.440
<v Speaker 1>the show or on the radio, Go ahead, I apologize.

0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:55.880
<v Speaker 3>Podcast. Now you're doing radio. So Uh, so that's what

0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:56.760
<v Speaker 3>Then we've got.

0:36:57.280 --> 0:36:57.880
<v Speaker 1>Can do it?

0:36:58.280 --> 0:36:58.799
<v Speaker 8>Can you do it?

0:36:58.840 --> 0:36:58.920
<v Speaker 3>So?

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:02.120
<v Speaker 8>Do we need to cut the interview short?

0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:05.919
<v Speaker 1>He could do it? You kidding me? Go ahead, Phil,

0:37:06.560 --> 0:37:07.520
<v Speaker 1>I apologize.

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:10.799
<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm a father of small children. I should

0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:17.359
<v Speaker 3>learn to keep by leguage clean and ready for the

0:37:17.400 --> 0:37:23.239
<v Speaker 3>family consumption. You've got Nathan Mawy is wrestling sort of

0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:26.640
<v Speaker 3>the returning mister and sanity. Toby Klein was kind of

0:37:26.680 --> 0:37:29.479
<v Speaker 3>a death King of the Death Match Icon guys, guy

0:37:29.480 --> 0:37:32.200
<v Speaker 3>from like the two thousands. And then we've got the

0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:36.040
<v Speaker 3>return of Carl Malako, who is one of the great

0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:42.479
<v Speaker 3>shoot style wrestlers of all time, fighting champion Battle Arts Icon,

0:37:42.600 --> 0:37:45.719
<v Speaker 3>the guy who has not wrestled a professional wrestling match

0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:50.720
<v Speaker 3>in fifteen years plus, really hasn't wrestled regularly almost twenty

0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:55.200
<v Speaker 3>and we pulled him out of retirement and he's wrestling

0:37:55.200 --> 0:37:57.000
<v Speaker 3>on that show. And that's that's a pretty so I

0:37:57.040 --> 0:38:00.200
<v Speaker 3>as a guy who was a gigantic, you know, at

0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:02.160
<v Speaker 3>a large fan, obviously, that was sort of the impetus

0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:05.240
<v Speaker 3>for the whole idea of the show initially to actually

0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:07.239
<v Speaker 3>be able to pull that off. That, Yeah, out of

0:38:07.280 --> 0:38:09.320
<v Speaker 3>all the crazy things that I've done, and I've written

0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:12.000
<v Speaker 3>two books. I've written for The Ringer and GQ and

0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:15.440
<v Speaker 3>Yaou Sports and had Blue Panther on two of my shows.

0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:19.719
<v Speaker 3>And to have to pull Carlmelank out of retires the

0:38:20.560 --> 0:38:26.640
<v Speaker 3>apex of the My Pro Wrestling Lunacy Journey for sure.

0:38:27.120 --> 0:38:30.000
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, there's so many announcements I see in pro wrestling.

0:38:30.000 --> 0:38:33.480
<v Speaker 8>There's so many cool matches like today just actually Gangrel

0:38:33.600 --> 0:38:36.400
<v Speaker 8>versus Matt Tremont announced, which is a Matt I never

0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:40.160
<v Speaker 8>thought I'd want to see. But nothing has got me

0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:45.120
<v Speaker 8>more excited. Nothing popped me bigger than seeing that video

0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:49.960
<v Speaker 8>of Carl Malenko training in his backyard like he's Carl

0:38:50.040 --> 0:38:54.400
<v Speaker 8>Gotch forty years ago on VHS. I got so excited

0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:57.759
<v Speaker 8>seeing that I cannot wait. I cannot wait to see

0:38:57.800 --> 0:38:59.240
<v Speaker 8>him in that ring.

0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:03.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm super amped for it. I mean, like I said,

0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:06.080
<v Speaker 3>the video if she said, is that video? And he

0:39:06.160 --> 0:39:09.799
<v Speaker 3>said the only note was could you put stranglehold over

0:39:09.880 --> 0:39:11.799
<v Speaker 3>the workout? Thing?

0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:12.279
<v Speaker 8>That? Like?

0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:15.680
<v Speaker 3>Can that? I think I can absolutely do? And it

0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:17.520
<v Speaker 3>really felt to be like if you guys should watch

0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:19.520
<v Speaker 3>the video, It really felt to be like something you

0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:23.720
<v Speaker 3>know Central States would run. They're bringing in an opponent

0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:27.400
<v Speaker 3>for Bulldog Bob Brower or something like that, which is

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:30.239
<v Speaker 3>very much the vibe that you know, we're going for

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<v Speaker 3>follo of these shows. We want these to be like

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<v Speaker 3>I want them to feel like a Death Valley Driver

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<v Speaker 3>video review as a wrestling card. Right, So we wanted

0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:39.840
<v Speaker 3>to have a lot of you know, variety, have a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of different people, introduce you to things that you

0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:45.680
<v Speaker 3>didn't guys you never heard of, Introduce you to guys

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<v Speaker 3>that maybe you'd heard of but never seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, talk about about these books.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll tell you about the book. So I've written two books.

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<v Speaker 8>The first book trying to get you some money, Phil.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Tom needs to buy at least one of them

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<v Speaker 1>because it got stole.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yes, I thought, I thought, I'll give you a

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<v Speaker 3>copy next time I see you, Tom.

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<v Speaker 8>I've owed you a look at that.

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<v Speaker 3>Tom.

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<v Speaker 8>I just hope you said, Phil, you set me the

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<v Speaker 8>digital copy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's fine, I say, that's funny, but yeah, but you've

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<v Speaker 3>gotta have something. You got to feel the paper in

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<v Speaker 3>the Yeah. The first book is Death the Way of

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<v Speaker 3>the Blade hundreds of the greatest bloody matches in professional

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<v Speaker 3>wrestling history, and that is sort of an essay about

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<v Speaker 3>all of these different matches, stuff dating back to the

0:40:31.160 --> 0:40:35.319
<v Speaker 3>nineteen fifties in France, the lucha, the Japanese wrestling, to

0:40:35.719 --> 0:40:39.759
<v Speaker 3>you know, Indian wrestling, to you know, WrestleMania matches just

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<v Speaker 3>sort of a snapshot of the history of pro wrestling

0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:48.440
<v Speaker 3>through bloody wrestling and a really really incredible illustrations and

0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:51.799
<v Speaker 3>that by Chris Bryant, so that his first book and

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<v Speaker 3>then the second book is sort of sort of a sequel.

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<v Speaker 3>This is it was a way of the Blade a

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<v Speaker 3>W editions, and this is talking about the great bloody

0:40:59.480 --> 0:41:04.319
<v Speaker 3>matches in a W history, similar essays and then the

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<v Speaker 3>art and then I also did a lot of interviews

0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:09.239
<v Speaker 3>for that book. So I talked to you know, John

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<v Speaker 3>Moxley and Tony Kahn and Eddie Kingston and Ryan Danielson,

0:41:13.239 --> 0:41:15.360
<v Speaker 3>and they were you know, with you know, the Boni

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<v Speaker 3>m jan you know, Darby Allen, you know, everybody, almost

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<v Speaker 3>everybody I wanted to talk to him I was able

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<v Speaker 3>to talk to. And then they kind of went pretty

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<v Speaker 3>in depth in the way that they sort of looked

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<v Speaker 3>and approached the matches that they were in. So I'd

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<v Speaker 3>write about you know, Brian Danielson, MJF. Iron Man, match,

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<v Speaker 3>have a cool art for it, and then you know,

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<v Speaker 3>long interview excerpts of both those guys about that match.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's pretty cool that they've been It's been fun

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<v Speaker 3>to sort of turn writing from a hobby into something

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<v Speaker 3>that I sent I make some money from, which is

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<v Speaker 3>something that's happened in the last year three or four years.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I said, I was writing a weekly column for

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<v Speaker 3>The Ringer for a while, and now I'm doing you

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<v Speaker 3>know a lot of writing for uh Yahoo.

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<v Speaker 1>Now are you looking? And we're put together a third book.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there something in the works.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I probably probably just gonna do a more traditional

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<v Speaker 3>way of the Blade sequel. I got a couple of

0:42:10.480 --> 0:42:12.600
<v Speaker 3>other ones that are kind of sitting on my hard

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<v Speaker 3>driving my computer. I'm doing it with a Hybrid Shoe,

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:19.399
<v Speaker 3>which is John Stone's publishing company. So I've got one

0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:23.080
<v Speaker 3>that's probably thirty five percent done, and then another couple

0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:26.040
<v Speaker 3>that are you know, floating around. And my goal is

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<v Speaker 3>to try to do it, you know, Michael Connolly style

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<v Speaker 3>where you can accept it. Expect to do Bosh book

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<v Speaker 3>every October on the yeah, and that sort of expect

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<v Speaker 3>to do Phil Schneider joint every year. Not there yet,

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<v Speaker 3>but that's my eventual goal with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you as into progressing as you were twenty years ago?

0:42:48.840 --> 0:42:53.000
<v Speaker 3>Probably not like a kids now and I'm married, you know,

0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:56.239
<v Speaker 3>it's easier to not be it, and I, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I So it was interesting for a while when I

0:42:58.520 --> 0:43:00.600
<v Speaker 3>was writing for the ring, I was doing and I

0:43:00.640 --> 0:43:03.680
<v Speaker 3>was watching everything, which like I think you guys is

0:43:03.680 --> 0:43:05.480
<v Speaker 3>similar to what you guys do. Or I was watching

0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:09.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, raw and this fact Dynamite and you know, right,

0:43:10.000 --> 0:43:11.320
<v Speaker 3>I was worrying about the Indies two, So I was

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<v Speaker 3>dating into that in Japan, Mexico. So for a while,

0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:16.320
<v Speaker 3>I was like really on my grind. And since I

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<v Speaker 3>stopped doing that, I'm now started just more into you know,

0:43:21.200 --> 0:43:24.560
<v Speaker 3>weirder projects, you know what I mean, Like I'll you know,

0:43:24.640 --> 0:43:27.520
<v Speaker 3>get a I got a wrestling U May Factory handheld

0:43:27.560 --> 0:43:31.919
<v Speaker 3>from nineteen ninety four, and I'm watching right now for Sigurdicayaena.

0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:34.719
<v Speaker 3>I'm doing stuff for the book. So I still him

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<v Speaker 3>into the more obscure stuff. I would say I'm significantly

0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:40.880
<v Speaker 3>less interested in the modern stuff. Although gets two thousand

0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:43.239
<v Speaker 3>and six, I don't the highest interested. I wasn't modern

0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:46.839
<v Speaker 3>wrestling in two thousand and six. Either, So I don't enough,

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<v Speaker 3>probably less than I was the nineteen ninety eight Phil.

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<v Speaker 8>You've been obviously like a tape trader forever since it existed.

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<v Speaker 8>Is there like a holy grail that's still out there

0:43:58.680 --> 0:43:59.960
<v Speaker 8>that you could think of that you would love to

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<v Speaker 8>get a hold of.

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<v Speaker 3>There's so much, right So, there's some things that I

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<v Speaker 3>know from a friend of mine who went down to

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<v Speaker 3>Mexico that apparently one of the owners of IWRG just

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<v Speaker 3>has lucha from Arena knock Upon going back to the

0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:24.319
<v Speaker 3>nineteen eighties, Like so, you know, has just footage of

0:44:24.920 --> 0:44:28.400
<v Speaker 3>rookie year Polino and all of these incredible hair mass

0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:31.680
<v Speaker 3>matches that happened in that arena, and I know that exists.

0:44:32.200 --> 0:44:37.080
<v Speaker 3>So that's something that I'm salivating over. Obviously, the stuff that,

0:44:37.360 --> 0:44:41.279
<v Speaker 3>you know, whatever omni footage they have it in the

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<v Speaker 3>vault that they haven't released yet. It's unclear about how

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<v Speaker 3>much stuff they really have there, but obviously they were

0:44:46.600 --> 0:44:49.200
<v Speaker 3>releasing that any fits and starts, and so there's all

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<v Speaker 3>kinds of shows that you might guess they might have incomplete.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, hold that out right there. When I do a break,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk more lost media after the break. Observer Live.

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<v Speaker 2>You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez

0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:15.280
<v Speaker 2>and Mike simper Vivi on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.

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<v Speaker 1>Back in the show, Bran Albers here Filthy Tom Phil

0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:21.080
<v Speaker 1>Schneider is joining us. We got two more pieces of

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<v Speaker 1>pro wrestling lost media, and then we got some plugs. Phil.

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<v Speaker 3>That's good. The other one is the NWA Houston Archives,

0:45:29.800 --> 0:45:34.400
<v Speaker 3>which there were somebody bought and was releasing on the internet.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a Terry Fumm Harley m Patricks is one of

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<v Speaker 3>the best matches of all time. And then the guy

0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:42.560
<v Speaker 3>sold the NWA to Billy Corgan and then they stopped

0:45:42.560 --> 0:45:46.160
<v Speaker 3>releasing that stuff. And then I want to get my

0:45:46.160 --> 0:45:48.200
<v Speaker 3>friend Ayisuki Okada to give me all the food tent.

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<v Speaker 3>But two of those things I'm working on. I'm working

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<v Speaker 3>a night of RG.

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<v Speaker 1>And FU ten twenty six excellent. Well, tell us about

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<v Speaker 1>the books and the shows and let's get some plugs

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<v Speaker 1>out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Sounds good. So I've got the two books. They're both

0:46:00.360 --> 0:46:02.479
<v Speaker 3>available on the Amazon Way, the Blade Way, the Blade

0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:04.839
<v Speaker 3>the aw Edition. Both of them I think are really

0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:08.120
<v Speaker 3>cool for you know, hardcore wrestling nerds or even people

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<v Speaker 3>just you know if you're listening to this, you're a

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<v Speaker 3>big enough nerd that you'd enjoy both of those books

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<v Speaker 3>a lot. I think we've got the show coming up

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<v Speaker 3>February twenty eighth, if you're anywhere around Chattanoogaut, Tennessee. Those

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<v Speaker 3>tickets are tickets are available to look up action on

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<v Speaker 3>x so you can buy them there. But that's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be a I'm really excited about the show. It

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<v Speaker 3>should be sick first three First, the D two is

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<v Speaker 3>on YouTube. D three is on our Oh the roh

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<v Speaker 3>on our club. DAN one is on IWTV. I've got

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<v Speaker 3>some articles from Crowned one that I'm working on right

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<v Speaker 3>now that I'm really proud of and excited about, and

0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:49.279
<v Speaker 3>some other really cool ones if you want to look

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<v Speaker 3>at my archives there.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well, Phil, I want to thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Filberd in the show today. Are totally at a time, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>lose again sometime as professionally as we can. Thanks for listening, everybody,

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