WEBVTT - Buck Brief - Bernard Hudson

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Buck Brief, everybody, very special guests on this

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<v Speaker 2>edition of the program. We are joined right now by

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<v Speaker 2>Bernard Hudson. He spent twenty eight years in the CIA's

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<v Speaker 2>Director of Operations and retired as the Chief of counter Terrorism,

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<v Speaker 2>where he headed the agency's global response to terrorist threats.

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<v Speaker 2>He retired in twenty seventeen served as a fellow at

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<v Speaker 2>Harvard University as is in the international drone industry. Now, Bernard,

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<v Speaker 2>honored to have you.

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<v Speaker 3>Here, sir, great to talk with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Buck hey, senior brother from Langley, if you will, I had.

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<v Speaker 2>I did a short stint there myself a long time ago.

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<v Speaker 2>It was an interesting place.

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<v Speaker 3>Even a short stint is a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>It felt like it, I will say at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>So we should talk offline about some of that another time.

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<v Speaker 2>So Bernard, you're you're very well placed to bring your

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<v Speaker 2>expertise in your background to this issue of what's going

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<v Speaker 2>to go on now in terms of the Israeli fight

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<v Speaker 2>in Gaza. What are your expectations? How long will this

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<v Speaker 2>last What kind of tactics are we going to see?

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<v Speaker 2>Just sort of walk us through how you think this

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<v Speaker 2>is going to play out in the days and weeks ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, great questions. So I think the Israeli response is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be going to be based on three things

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<v Speaker 1>that failed on the seventh of October. The first thing

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<v Speaker 1>that failed was deterrence. The second thing that failed was

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<v Speaker 1>advanced warning. The third thing that failed was forward defense

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<v Speaker 1>at the border. All three of these were things that

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<v Speaker 1>Israel's national security strategy.

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<v Speaker 3>Has always depended on.

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<v Speaker 1>They need to have a sense in the minds of

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<v Speaker 1>their enemies that attacking Israel calm comes with an inordent

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<v Speaker 1>amount of costs. That obviously failed on the seventh of

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<v Speaker 1>October when Hamas launched the greatest attack against Israeli civilians.

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<v Speaker 3>It's ever, really, frankly, ever happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And Second, the Israelis have always placed a great amount

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<v Speaker 1>of faith in their advanced warning and their intelligence services

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<v Speaker 1>and their security services. Something has gone terribly wrong with

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<v Speaker 1>that process that I am sure the Israelis are looking

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<v Speaker 1>at trying to fix. And then third, they have to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out and overcome a failure of forward defense defense

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<v Speaker 1>at the border. A small country like Israel can't trade

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<v Speaker 1>space for time. They've got to defend forward. They've got

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<v Speaker 1>civillians located on all their vulnerable border points. So what's

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<v Speaker 1>probably going to happen over the next few days is

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<v Speaker 1>the Israeli defense forces and their security services are going

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<v Speaker 1>to attempt to put together the best plan that they

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<v Speaker 1>can to reach into Gaza, almost certainly with a ground

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<v Speaker 1>invasion of some sort that will be sustained long enough

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<v Speaker 1>to root out what in the Israeli defense forces minds

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<v Speaker 1>would be the ability of hamasd ever launched any type

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<v Speaker 1>of right like this for a number of years coming forward.

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<v Speaker 1>The very brutality and scale of what happened on the

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<v Speaker 1>seventh of October takes off the table realistically a moderated

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<v Speaker 1>response by the Israelis or a response in which they

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<v Speaker 1>would opt to take two or three months to ramp

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<v Speaker 1>up their capabilities. There'll be enormous pressure under the net

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<v Speaker 1>Nyah for the net Yahu government to do a maximalist

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<v Speaker 1>response in as short a time as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>What does that maximalist response look like? I mean, are

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<v Speaker 2>we at a point now where Hamas leadership has to

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<v Speaker 2>be either captured or killed across the board. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>what is a maximalist response from the perspective of net

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<v Speaker 2>Yahoo and the Israelis given the terror attack that Israel

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<v Speaker 2>has just suffered.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a minimum it includes destroying hamas as, the leadership,

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<v Speaker 1>its middle level cadres of personnel and staff, its support networks,

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<v Speaker 1>and doing all of this, frankly in a physical space,

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<v Speaker 1>especially for an American audience that is very very small.

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<v Speaker 1>Gaza is barely bigger than two Washington, DC's two and

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<v Speaker 1>a half million people, but you're already seeing, with the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of air strikes and artillery strikes going on inside Gaza,

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<v Speaker 1>a very different scale of an Israeli response. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think that response is not going to be so much

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<v Speaker 1>focused on how much infrastructure they destroy, but the human

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<v Speaker 1>infrastructure of Hamas and the.

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<v Speaker 3>Support networks that allow it to operate.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that will take probably at least several

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<v Speaker 1>weeks for the Israeli defense forces and their security services

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<v Speaker 1>to locate, find, fix, and finish those type of targets.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think about what Hesbola is likely to

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<v Speaker 2>do inn Lebanon here, facing the Israelis with all the

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<v Speaker 2>missiles that they've got stockpiled from the north. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>think that there's a high likelihood that they could become

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<v Speaker 2>an active combatant in this as well, or do they

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<v Speaker 2>probably see the Israeli responses as not worth it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's the biggest question in the mind of

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<v Speaker 1>Israeli security service personnel probably going forward over the next

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks. What is the likelihood that Hasbala would feel

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<v Speaker 1>it has to or want to join in the fight

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<v Speaker 1>against these ready defense forces in the north. Absolutely, Hebala

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<v Speaker 1>has more than enough capability and rockets and missiles to

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<v Speaker 1>cause enormous damage in northern Israel. But the Israelis have

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<v Speaker 1>a great deal of counter force and counterstrike capability as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd say, you know, the problem right now is that

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<v Speaker 1>I think the Israelis have very little confidence or it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to take while to re establish confidence in knowing

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<v Speaker 1>what their enemies are about to do or might do.

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<v Speaker 1>That will tend to push them towards assuming a set

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<v Speaker 1>of worst case scenarios and build responses towards that.

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<v Speaker 2>this has already been reported on Wall Street Journal and

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<v Speaker 2>other sources, and also Hesbalah and Hamas have basically said

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<v Speaker 2>Iran was involved in the planning of this, So it's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty clear that that's the case. Do you do you

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<v Speaker 2>think that there's a chance that Israel may escalate and

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<v Speaker 2>go directly after Iran with targeted strikes against personnel's what's

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<v Speaker 2>your sense of the likely Israeli response to Iran's hand.

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<v Speaker 3>And all this.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it would be very It would take a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of leaps of faith to believe that Iran didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have anything to do with this. Iran is the most

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<v Speaker 1>important benefactor and patron for Hamas for Hamas operatives. To

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<v Speaker 1>pull off an operation of this size without telling Iran

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<v Speaker 1>would have risked their entire support from Tehran. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's ample evidence, and I think more evidence will

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<v Speaker 1>come out over the gncoming days about their hand in this.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the first order of business for the Israelis

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<v Speaker 1>will be re establishing to terms Visa VI Hamas in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 1>Longer term, I think they'll turn their attention to what

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<v Speaker 1>would be the proper response to the Iranians. I think

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<v Speaker 1>in this there'd be an active conversation between them and

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<v Speaker 1>their Western allies, especially the United States, as to what

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<v Speaker 1>the American appetite for that might be. And certainly, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>with the current White House, which has taken a much

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<v Speaker 1>more accommodationist view towards Iran than you know, most administrations have,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that would be a very complex discussion between

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<v Speaker 1>those two governments.

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<v Speaker 2>What are Iranian goals right now visa VI, it's support

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<v Speaker 2>for Hamas and hesblah, and just in the region, what

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<v Speaker 2>are the Mollahs trying to achieve?

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<v Speaker 1>So it's easy to forget how ideological at the very

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<v Speaker 1>top the Iranian regime is. They really do believe in

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<v Speaker 1>their revolution, they do believe in the ideology that underpins it,

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<v Speaker 1>and they've carried out a set of activities over decades

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<v Speaker 1>that are completely in line with that philosophy, which is

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<v Speaker 1>push their brand of Islam, their brand of politics into

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<v Speaker 1>their neighbors and neighboring states, often using proxies like they

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<v Speaker 1>did in Yemen with the Houthi groups, in Lebanon with Hezbala,

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<v Speaker 1>and certainly in the Palestinian territories with Hamas. So this

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<v Speaker 1>is part and parcel of how Iran and Iraq frankly probably.

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<v Speaker 3>The biggest test case or use case.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is a tried and true tactic for the Iranians,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you think about it from their they've been

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<v Speaker 1>able to do this for decades with very little cost

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<v Speaker 1>other than you know, economic sanctions extracted upon them, and

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<v Speaker 1>certainly over the last couple of years even a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of those sanctions have come off. Even last week, six

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars in sanctions got lifted on them. They got

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<v Speaker 1>access to a lot of money they hadn't had in

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<v Speaker 1>a long time in return for releasing five Iranian American

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<v Speaker 1>citizens and a few other things that they have done.

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<v Speaker 1>If you look at this from the Iranian point of view,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a winning strategy.

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<v Speaker 2>And so for them it's just extending their extending their

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<v Speaker 2>influence and reach across the broader Middle East, targeting and

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<v Speaker 2>trying to kill as many of their perceived enemies as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think the Biden administration response should should be? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we know that Biden is really a continuation

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<v Speaker 2>of Obama's appeasement of Iran, and that the Democrat positioning

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<v Speaker 2>on Iran is very I would say, very favorable to

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<v Speaker 2>what the what the Mullahs want. But if if they

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<v Speaker 2>were to get serious, and perhaps there's some I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think this is likely, but it's theoretically possible

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<v Speaker 2>there's some changing of minds in Democrat circles in DC

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<v Speaker 2>because of this horrific attack in Israel. What would a

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<v Speaker 2>robust policy look like to deal with Iran in such

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<v Speaker 2>a way that it wouldn't feel such a it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have such a free hand in its mind to engage

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<v Speaker 2>in this nefarious terror sponsoring behaviors all across the Middle

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<v Speaker 2>East and really around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think the Biden administration would struggle a lot

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<v Speaker 1>with coming up with a policy that could do that

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<v Speaker 1>that in their mind, would not risk with Iranian retribution

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<v Speaker 1>and counterattacks in Iraq, in the Gulf States, all of

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<v Speaker 1>which there's significant American interests in. I'd say the real

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<v Speaker 1>realistic thing that the Biden administration might consider would be

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<v Speaker 1>reimposing severe restrictions on Iranian oil sales, even six billion

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<v Speaker 1>dollars around God will pay in significance to how much

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<v Speaker 1>money they're going to make as oil moves towards one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars a barrel, and their ability to sell as

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<v Speaker 1>much of that oil as possible fuels the Iranian government's

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<v Speaker 1>ability to conduct repression at home and bad behavior abroad.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would I don't think it's realistic to believe

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<v Speaker 1>that thirteen months before an election, the current administration is

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<v Speaker 1>going to modify its Iranian policy all that much, and

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<v Speaker 1>not to the point of hostilities.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about the I doubt saying it

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not saying I would necessarily agree with it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I just to be realistic, I think they are

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<v Speaker 1>not likely to push forward.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll come back in and talk about some follow on

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<v Speaker 2>threats and threats to the US homeland, specifically Bernard in

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<v Speaker 2>are concerns about our wide open border, about attacks on

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<v Speaker 2>US by either Iranian Iranian groups different proxies than the

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<v Speaker 2>least our IRGC could force some kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas affiliated cell. I mean, this is what people are

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<v Speaker 2>talking about right now. Bernard, what do you think of that?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, do you think the US should be in

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<v Speaker 2>an elevated threat posture right now? Or is your expectation

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<v Speaker 2>that this is all really going to be limited in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of the kinetic you know, the fighting limited to

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<v Speaker 2>Gaza and its immediate environs.

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<v Speaker 1>So to the plus side within the Middle East States,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's a desire by anybody other than

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<v Speaker 1>Iran to want this thing to escalate. Unlike previous conflicts

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<v Speaker 1>that have happened in involving the Israelis and the Palestinians,

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<v Speaker 1>there's not a lot of There's no sympathy for Hamas

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<v Speaker 1>in most of the mainstream Arab countries. They don't want

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<v Speaker 1>this thing to get worse out of hand, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't see any of them contributing to make it worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Your second first question, I think is a powerful one,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is, you know, the key feature in counter

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<v Speaker 1>terrorism and being prepared for it is understanding the threat

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<v Speaker 1>from the people who might carry out those acts. Possible

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<v Speaker 1>to have a realistic counter terrorism policy if you actually

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<v Speaker 1>have no control over your border, an unwillingness to defend

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<v Speaker 1>your own borders or to even know who's coming into

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<v Speaker 1>your country makes it very hard for counter terrorism officials

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<v Speaker 1>in any country, whether it's Europe or the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>to build a realistic plan to deal with that threat.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it would be very hard to be in

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<v Speaker 1>the American security services right now and to give an

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<v Speaker 1>honest answer to their political bosses that they feel confident

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<v Speaker 1>that they know enough about who's coming into the United

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<v Speaker 1>States to make a calculation on what that risk really is.

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<v Speaker 3>It's unknowable and so elevated.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I think that's right, it's both unknowable

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<v Speaker 2>and elevated. Do you think that there's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>any change from any of our other regional allies in

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<v Speaker 2>their posture toward Hamas as a result of this, or

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<v Speaker 2>are we likely to see a continuation of a status

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<v Speaker 2>Quoia Cutter, for example, still being very friendly toward Hamas,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, other you know what I mean, Like, is

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<v Speaker 2>there going to be any realignment that happens as a

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<v Speaker 2>result of this?

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<v Speaker 1>So? I mean Hamas has long been listed under as

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<v Speaker 1>a terrorist organization by the US State Department. However, it's

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<v Speaker 1>always been in that gray zone of militant group, terrorist

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<v Speaker 1>group that was viewed as not particularly trying to target

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<v Speaker 1>Americans and so came in for a sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>different set of policy options than El kata or isis did.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there'll be a lot of discussion about reevaluating

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<v Speaker 1>that and doing more towards them and more to stop

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<v Speaker 1>as to the Middle Eastern States themselves. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest thing you see out here, and I'm in Saudi

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<v Speaker 1>Arabia right now. What you find is people saying the

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<v Speaker 1>American unwillingness to understand and appreciate Iran's regional bad behavior

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<v Speaker 1>continues to make things like what just happened on seven

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<v Speaker 1>October more like to happen. And so certainly within the

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<v Speaker 1>Gulf States, which have seen number of tax by Iranian surrogates,

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<v Speaker 1>they see this as simply a continuation of a terrible

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<v Speaker 1>trend line that's been going on for over a decade.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think this will affect the efforts by the

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the Trump administration to bring about

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<v Speaker 2>closer Saudi Saudi Israeli relations and some of those movements

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<v Speaker 2>that were made on a peace and diplomacy side.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, at most those may pause for a period

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<v Speaker 1>of time, but the trend line towards normalization between state

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<v Speaker 1>to state relations and this part of the world has

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<v Speaker 1>been towards normalization and not towards further antagonized relationships, especially

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<v Speaker 1>within the GCC States and the Israelis.

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<v Speaker 2>Hold on a second burn one more word from responsor. Here,

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<v Speaker 2>are you wondering why everyone's talking about Belize these days?

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<v Speaker 2>Because Belize is fun? I mean, imagine is in a

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<v Speaker 2>and Houston, where you can enjoy both the rainforest and

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<v Speaker 2>white sand beaches all on the same day. Belize is

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<v Speaker 2>fun because you can float through caves, down a jungle river,

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<v Speaker 2>climb an ancient mind ruin, swim with nurse sharks and rays,

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<v Speaker 2>com because it is fun. Bernard, do you think that

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<v Speaker 2>this is gonna be over in a matter of weeks

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<v Speaker 2>or could you see this conflict extending for months?

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<v Speaker 1>I think the active military phase of this probably goes

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<v Speaker 1>on for up to a month. I think the long

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<v Speaker 1>term fallout of a heightened number of terrorist attacks on

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps Western interests and certainly Israeli interests in countries that

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<v Speaker 1>are outside the region. That extends for probably six months

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<v Speaker 1>to a year, as the fallout of this.

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<v Speaker 3>Becomes more understood, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, the longer the extreme nature of this attack is

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<v Speaker 1>going to require an extreme response that is going to

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<v Speaker 1>tend to radicalize or set off, you know, lone wolves

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever type of other attacks one might think to

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<v Speaker 1>call these things. But there's going to be elevated violence

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<v Speaker 1>against Israelis and some Western interests I would imagine over

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<v Speaker 1>the next six months to a year.

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<v Speaker 2>Bernando Hudson's formerly CIA's director of Operations, Chief Bernard honored

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<v Speaker 2>to have you on the show, sir, appreciate you being

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<v Speaker 2>here and we will talk to you soon.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you,