Speaker 1: Hey there, fan Rito's welcome back to a brand new
Speaker 1: episode of.
Speaker 2: How Rude Tanitos, Brand new episode, same old boy.
Speaker 1: So today we're back with another t GIF recap, and
Speaker 1: this time we're watching the Family Matters pilot.
Speaker 2: I love watching these pilots. I'm loving this series. You
Speaker 2: know that we're like, this is great.
Speaker 3: We've made shows.
Speaker 1: Before, so it's just so cool to see other shows
Speaker 1: that we're on the same time or similar time to
Speaker 1: Full House.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I dig it.
Speaker 2: So neither Jody and I have seen this pilot.
Speaker 3: I've never never watched an episode of Family.
Speaker 1: Matter same same this time. This show is a little
Speaker 1: reminiscent of a certain sitcom that we are very familiar with.
Speaker 1: So let's get into it. We did this with Boy
Speaker 1: Meets World a few weeks ago. We watched the pilot
Speaker 1: and had a lot of feelings. Very cute, very cute,
Speaker 1: But yeah, boy was a great I had some mixed
Speaker 1: feelings about that, but I liked it. So did you
Speaker 1: come into this having high expectations for Family Matters? I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 3: I think you know.
Speaker 2: I always try to kind of temper my expectations for
Speaker 2: a pilot because you know, you're like I'm not. I'm
Speaker 2: not going to judge it based on what I know
Speaker 2: the show to become, you know what I mean, You're
Speaker 2: like you kind of got to give pilots like the
Speaker 2: the benefit of the doubt because you're like work, everybody's
Speaker 2: trying to find the find your way took.
Speaker 1: I mean, how's a while to find its way, you know.
Speaker 2: I will say I think our pilot was one of
Speaker 2: the best pilots that I've seen, hands down, ten out
Speaker 2: of ten, ten out of ten.
Speaker 3: Especially for a sitcom.
Speaker 1: I know, I and I agree with you. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I fair I would agree with us,
Speaker 1: but I agree with you.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that just because I like, you know,
Speaker 2: because it's Full House, But I really do think like
Speaker 2: it was just it was a great It was a
Speaker 2: great pilot.
Speaker 3: This one felt a little more.
Speaker 2: Not exponential, but uh explanatory exposition word, yes, exposition y expositioning.
Speaker 2: It was just an official which is an official word
Speaker 2: in the Merriam Webster Dictionary, right next to six seven.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I went into this with high expectations because this
Speaker 1: show premiered exactly a year after Full House premiered, right, was.
Speaker 2: A year or two years later. It was two years. Okay,
Speaker 2: this start.
Speaker 3: Came about in eighty nine and we were.
Speaker 1: We were eighty seven. That's right.
Speaker 2: Okay, so it's two years.
Speaker 1: But I think I am looking at it through the
Speaker 1: lens of oh, this is family matters, the massive hit
Speaker 1: that went on for nine seasons. So I had high expectations,
Speaker 1: but maybe I should have tempered them a little bit,
Speaker 1: because as like you said, you know, gives gifts pilots
Speaker 1: some grace to kind of find their footing and introduce
Speaker 1: the characters.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I thought it was a solid pilot, but
Speaker 1: it did feel like it felt very much like a sitcom.
Speaker 1: And I understand that I.
Speaker 3: Know exactly what you mean.
Speaker 1: It's yes, yes, when I watched The House, it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like a sitcom to me, and maybe it's because
Speaker 1: we're watching like home movies.
Speaker 2: But when I watch sometimes it does. But I think
Speaker 2: there was well, we'll get into it, but there was
Speaker 2: definitely moments where I was like, you're at a twelve,
Speaker 2: just turn it. It felt very it felt very cheesy sitcoming.
Speaker 1: I very much noticed, like the last laughter.
Speaker 2: I will say that I think as ridiculous as our
Speaker 2: show is, the we played the characters as grounded as
Speaker 2: they could.
Speaker 3: Be, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: That didn't feel like.
Speaker 3: Like a caricature.
Speaker 2: It was like, this was just Danny Tanner who likes
Speaker 2: everything clean and you know, is actually cleaning the leaves
Speaker 2: in the backyard. Didn't feel like I don't know, maybe
Speaker 2: that's maybe it's just us, but it did feel I
Speaker 2: get what you're saying. Let's let's let's get we'll get
Speaker 2: into it before we get into it.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll get into it. Yeah, okay. So in many ways,
Speaker 1: full house and family matters are the same. Uh, And
Speaker 1: so what are some more obvious similarities that you noticed
Speaker 1: as you were watching the pilot.
Speaker 2: Well, you've got a disruption in the family.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, someone's moving in.
Speaker 2: Someone's moving in, and right too that that upsets the balance.
Speaker 3: And also you have the.
Speaker 2: Sister there with the baby because her husband died. Yeah,
Speaker 2: got a dead spouse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: Well, because you got to kill them off, I guess
Speaker 2: in the eighties you can't just have them be like, oh,
Speaker 2: they left me like it doesn't you know, I mean
Speaker 2: you're like, no, that's just what.
Speaker 3: We do, right, right, So they're either dead.
Speaker 2: Or don't speak of divorce and then no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: we're killing them off.
Speaker 3: But that sort of felt similar.
Speaker 2: And the music, the music, you know, they had the
Speaker 2: episode with a show or with a song, and I
Speaker 2: was like, wait, we did that well.
Speaker 1: And it's it's a multi generational family all living under
Speaker 1: one roof. It's a lot of people, and they don't
Speaker 1: the whole thing takes place in the house, right, there's
Speaker 1: no other scenes and other sets. It's all. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's different sets, but it's all in the Winslow house.
Speaker 2: I believe it's Yeah, living room, kitchen, and bedroom, so
Speaker 2: was full house?
Speaker 3: Have any other sets?
Speaker 1: We have some swing sets, I mean, I guess in
Speaker 1: the pilot. We did it not in the pilot and
Speaker 1: the pilot, yeah, it's a pilot. They won't give you
Speaker 1: swing sets.
Speaker 2: They're like, you're getting the bare minimum for what you
Speaker 2: can do and we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 1: Right, It's true, very true. So did you enjoy watching
Speaker 1: a show that was reminiscent of our own show? Did
Speaker 1: it feel comforting? Did it feel like a copycat?
Speaker 2: No? But I it was like I didn't I didn't
Speaker 2: want to keep what's the word like comparing pairing it? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was trying to really not, even though I was like,
Speaker 2: oh that feels like oh that, I was like, let
Speaker 2: it stand on its own merits and let like these
Speaker 2: relationships develop, you know, very true.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's it's its own show and its own right,
Speaker 1: and yeah it isn't. People can make unfair comparisons to
Speaker 1: Full House, but I think it stands. It totally stands
Speaker 1: on its own. I found myself fascinated by the mother
Speaker 1: characters because there's no mother character at first in Full House.
Speaker 1: So I'm very drawn to like Harriet in this or
Speaker 1: like Amy in Boy Meets World. I'm like, oh, look
Speaker 1: very wonderful.
Speaker 3: Yea's great.
Speaker 1: They're nurturing like Amy's so nurturing, and then Harriet is
Speaker 1: like such a strong there's a very yeah, yeah I
Speaker 1: love that.
Speaker 2: It was. Yeah, it was like I liked to how like, yes,
Speaker 2: the show's felt similar, but like to I think the
Speaker 2: audiences and the perspectives of the families that they were representing,
Speaker 2: like they felt authentic, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah they did. So he did love it. So on
Speaker 1: a scale of one to ten, how would you rate
Speaker 1: the pilot of Family Matters.
Speaker 3: I'm going like a six, You're going six or seven.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of feel the same way, like I
Speaker 2: feel like maybe I'll get it.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be me.
Speaker 2: I don't either, but I also am trying to just
Speaker 2: be honest and I just don't.
Speaker 3: It was. There was some things, but.
Speaker 1: We'll get there were there were some things, but I
Speaker 1: thought it was solid. It was a great It was
Speaker 1: a great pilot, but I wouldn't rank it up with
Speaker 1: like the top three the best pilots out there.
Speaker 2: So that's okay.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about some fun facts about this episode.
Speaker 1: It was directed by joel's Wick, So in some of
Speaker 1: these camera angles, I was.
Speaker 2: Like, Jeel, Okay, camera angle, Joel. I watched this entire
Speaker 2: episode and I was like, was Jewel drunk?
Speaker 3: What is happening?
Speaker 1: There's a very camera There was.
Speaker 2: A weird there was a lot of weird angles, a
Speaker 2: lot of people in each other's lights, yeah, a lot
Speaker 2: of upstaging of themselves, just all kinds of things where
Speaker 2: I was like it it felt like I was like
Speaker 2: somebody needed to fix this. Well thought, It's not like
Speaker 2: this was Joel's first rodeo, like a gazillion directed gazillion things.
Speaker 2: And also like was it all new.
Speaker 3: Camera people like you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: There was one where it was like you literally see
Speaker 2: the camera like sort of shuttling left, you know, it's
Speaker 2: like bumping over the floor.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, who were not gotten?
Speaker 2: Not in a pick up? Yeah? So true.
Speaker 1: I was just like, I don't know, Joel, I don't
Speaker 1: know what you were thinking when you were directing this.
Speaker 1: But okay, Like we mentioned, the first episode of Family
Speaker 1: Matters aired on September twenty second, nineteen eighty nine, which
Speaker 1: is the same.
Speaker 3: Date almost two years later, same date, two years later.
Speaker 1: Amazing. And this show was actually a spin off of
Speaker 1: Perfect Strangers.
Speaker 3: Oh right. The character of.
Speaker 1: Harriet was the elevator operator at the show Cogo newspaper
Speaker 1: where Balky and Larry worked.
Speaker 3: So that's when we got to watch too.
Speaker 2: I know, oh yeah, maybe Mark Baker and some Bronson Pinchet.
Speaker 2: Just brilliant comedy.
Speaker 1: Brilliant comedy. But I yeah, I I I knew that
Speaker 1: I had forgotten it, and then I remembered, and then
Speaker 1: I wished there was a tie, like there should Larry
Speaker 1: and Balky should have been in this pilot, Like there
Speaker 1: should have been some sort of ushering of Harriet out
Speaker 1: of Perfect Strangers and into family matters.
Speaker 2: Right, they did, They did. They over explained everything everything
Speaker 2: else right, they would have writ I would have at
Speaker 2: least appreciated a mention of like, oh, at the at
Speaker 2: my job or at the yeah something.
Speaker 1: I don't know, what did you say? She was the
Speaker 1: an elevator operator, like the person that puts the goes
Speaker 1: goes up and down elevator operator? Is that the name?
Speaker 3: Didn't I'm just confused because.
Speaker 2: Did not end in like nineteen thirty eight, you know what I.
Speaker 3: Mean, Like, how what its elevator operator? Don't we have buttons?
Speaker 2: I know, I know, well back in the day. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't know when Perfect Strangers takes place, but I
Speaker 2: guess they head in Chicago, so I guess it's like you.
Speaker 2: The assumption is it's an old building.
Speaker 1: So you need, yeah, an operator to work.
Speaker 2: It feels it feels it feels flimsy.
Speaker 1: It's either that or it feels like a high end
Speaker 1: hotel where it's like no, no, no, like they have
Speaker 1: bathroom attendance too. It's like, we don't want you to
Speaker 1: have to touch your own towel. We're going to hand
Speaker 1: it to you. The same thing with the elevator. Oh no,
Speaker 1: you're too important. I'm going to touch the buttons for you.
Speaker 2: I don't know, perhaps strange. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know, uh, valcan Larry.
Speaker 1: Rolling like that? Maybe I didn't know either. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's a thing that we learned. Okay, so
Speaker 1: we've got main cast synopsis. I don't know if we
Speaker 1: want to go through all of this. Okay, here's the synopsis.
Speaker 1: The Winslow home is full of love and family, and
Speaker 1: Carl's mom is moving.
Speaker 2: In straight to the point, and then shenanigans in suit
Speaker 2: in sue.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's talk about some of the best moments
Speaker 1: of the series. The first one is that Carl is
Speaker 1: doing everything in his power to prevent his mom from
Speaker 1: moving in. He pitches all kinds of alternative ideas to
Speaker 1: his wife, Harriet, but she knows it's pointless because mom
Speaker 1: is moving in anyways.
Speaker 3: Right, And I gotta say, I like, Harriet, I bought
Speaker 3: in this scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, Harriet's great. I did.
Speaker 3: Harry was great.
Speaker 2: Carl.
Speaker 3: I was like, you're doing too much, Carl.
Speaker 1: Carl, Well, okay, this is.
Speaker 3: I was like, why are you making that face?
Speaker 2: Carl? What is that face.
Speaker 3: Are you smiling? Reginald grimacing?
Speaker 1: Reginald has a great sitcom face, like he is giving
Speaker 1: so much face.
Speaker 2: But I wasn't sure why he was giving that face
Speaker 2: at that I was like, are.
Speaker 3: You you gmc? Are you smiling? What's happening? But it
Speaker 3: was it was a lot.
Speaker 1: It was a lot.
Speaker 3: But then you have but I guess i'd be making
Speaker 3: that face of my mom was moving into.
Speaker 1: Oh, I was just kidding, Janie, Yeah, I I For
Speaker 1: half of this episode, I was just trying to place
Speaker 1: who belonged to who, Like, who are these people in
Speaker 1: relation to each other? So I'm like, we're.
Speaker 3: Quite specific with their description. They were quite specific.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well no, but I'm like, why is okay if
Speaker 2: if Carl.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get these names right because everybody dragged
Speaker 1: me for calling Ben Savage Ben Savage or Corey Ben Savage.
Speaker 1: I don't know their character names people, Okay, I only know.
Speaker 3: Them as like people Kelly, Joe, Marie, Reginald.
Speaker 1: Whatever I will learn. I'm trying to learn their character names,
Speaker 1: so give me some grace here. So I was thinking,
Speaker 1: Harriet's the one that said, okay, Mom, okay, Mom, you
Speaker 1: can come move in. But it's not her mother, it's
Speaker 1: Carl's mother, right, So why doesn't Carl just say, hey, mom,
Speaker 1: this isn't gonna work. What you can't move in?
Speaker 2: Because that's because that's because Mama Winslow is not going
Speaker 2: to let that happens. It's not a little Winslow's way
Speaker 2: or look by way.
Speaker 3: It is, yes, all right.
Speaker 2: But then I say, Harriet's fine with it though. Harriet's
Speaker 2: just like this is just this is happening. So let's
Speaker 2: because there's a there's a I think, an aspect of respect, okay,
Speaker 2: of elders, of your mom, of your you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. That I think very true. You know, I think.
Speaker 3: Culturally it's a little bit different. There's like, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, like you.
Speaker 2: Don't argue with mama, and that seems kind of like
Speaker 2: what Carl is used to is like you just Mom's
Speaker 2: running the house.
Speaker 3: And same with Harriet.
Speaker 2: Harriet's running the house with the women in this family
Speaker 2: are the ones that are in charge.
Speaker 1: She's definitely wearing the pants in this family. She is
Speaker 1: such a strong female role model. I love her strong
Speaker 1: shoulder pads, like.
Speaker 2: Got it, love it, you loved it.
Speaker 1: I do think these two play well off each other,
Speaker 1: Harriet and Carl, because she is so stable and he
Speaker 1: is just a little about all of this happening. So
Speaker 1: I think they do play very well off of each other.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Was he in Perfect Strangers too?
Speaker 1: Are we introd?
Speaker 2: Cal?
Speaker 3: I thought he was.
Speaker 2: Carl was the security guard.
Speaker 1: Ah, that's right, he's the cop. These two looked like
Speaker 1: they had been married for decades, So I bought into this,
Speaker 1: this marriage for sure. So then Carl and Harriet's oldest son, Eddie,
Speaker 1: is trying to butter up his parents so he can
Speaker 1: go to a party at his friend's house tonight.
Speaker 2: I felt very typical teenager, very teenager.
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm going to wash your car.
Speaker 2: Why they knew?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they knew immediately he was up to something. He
Speaker 1: neglects to tell them at first that it's a party
Speaker 1: that ends at two am, right, which I'm like, he's
Speaker 1: fifteen years old. Why do you got to be out
Speaker 1: till two am? Nothing good happens after two am? I
Speaker 1: am that parent. So I ran my team when I
Speaker 1: am team Carl and Harriet on this, and then I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: you can't stay out that late. Your curfew is at ten.
Speaker 3: True, I'm torn.
Speaker 1: You're torn.
Speaker 2: I'm torn because I'm like, it's the nineties or eighties. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this was the end. And I could let you know
Speaker 2: if it was a neighborhood kid and they're like, you
Speaker 2: know whatever, a couple of blocks away, Like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: it feels a little bit different, but maybe you know.
Speaker 1: Well, once I learned it was a rambo watching, it's
Speaker 1: not like a rave. They're just watching TV. So yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe right.
Speaker 3: That was the thing is I was like, well, I've
Speaker 3: kind of agreed with my mother Winslow on.
Speaker 1: This was like yeah, yeah, yeah, you can light up,
Speaker 1: lighten up a little bit about it, but not till
Speaker 1: two am.
Speaker 2: Like let's just maybe I would have been like eleven
Speaker 2: thirty midnight, Okay, that's plenty two am.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody needs to stay up that late.
Speaker 2: So then Carl's mom Estelle she finally arrives and oh yes,
Speaker 2: she tells her granddaughters all about her experiences abroad and
Speaker 2: apparently she knew the Queen of England, like so random,
Speaker 2: and that was so I was like, what, I don't
Speaker 2: know if she was making a joke or if she
Speaker 2: was being serious. No, that she's being serious. Apparently that
Speaker 2: she was.
Speaker 1: She like knows she was.
Speaker 2: I think the implication is, I don't know, like a
Speaker 2: assistant housekeeper, some worked for various wealthy people and traveled
Speaker 2: with them. Okay, that seemed to be what it was,
Speaker 2: and that was how she kind of met all those people.
Speaker 1: But that was just rare. I either want more backstory
Speaker 1: on her or none. But I feel like they just
Speaker 1: teased this and then it went nowhere.
Speaker 3: It was again, it was.
Speaker 2: Throwing out that you knew the Queen of England sort
Speaker 2: of as an offhand comment, and then moving on. I
Speaker 2: was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait that let's.
Speaker 1: Get back to that, right, No, it felt.
Speaker 2: Like but it also felt like, let's not get back
Speaker 2: to that, because that felt like it was shoehorned into
Speaker 2: the conversation.
Speaker 1: Also, you know, for sure, oh absolutely, But this actress
Speaker 1: is played by Rosetta. She's so perfect, great, just shines,
Speaker 1: She shines this whole episode. She's a perfect mama Winslow.
Speaker 1: You know, she is just opinionated.
Speaker 2: She's yeah, subtle judgment like this's just amazing, not so
Speaker 2: subtle judgment sometimes not so subtle.
Speaker 1: She loves her grand babies.
Speaker 2: I was just like, oh yeah, this is I think
Speaker 2: she's a good addition to the house. I really she's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah again, like throws the dynamic of everything off, which
Speaker 2: is exactly what you need in a sitcom.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And can we talk for a minute about the
Speaker 1: house because when the still arrives, right, what is this
Speaker 1: front door situation?
Speaker 3: Okay, so I was thinking that too, and then I went,
Speaker 3: wait a minute.
Speaker 2: It looks like we're in Chicago building. We're in Chicago.
Speaker 2: It's going to be like a mud room, like a
Speaker 2: front You'll have like a front because when you come
Speaker 2: in and out, you don't want I mean, if you go,
Speaker 2: you don't want your front door like directly opening from
Speaker 2: all the coal there. So you usually have like kind
Speaker 2: of a little there's like a like a vestibule ye
Speaker 2: take off, like a mud room where you basically, yeah,
Speaker 2: you kind of come in, but a lot I noticed
Speaker 2: that a lot on like houses in the East Coast
Speaker 2: or where it snows or things like that, you kind
Speaker 2: of have like a come in here, it's tiled whatever.
Speaker 2: And then her second door is there.
Speaker 1: Well it didn't because I thought.
Speaker 3: The same thing.
Speaker 2: I was like, and then I remember the outside of
Speaker 2: the house and I was like, oh, yeah, the implication
Speaker 2: is that it's like a front little up the steps
Speaker 2: there and then whatever.
Speaker 1: It was very distracted, but it didn't very distracted.
Speaker 2: It didn't they need some coats and boots there then right,
Speaker 2: they did it didn't.
Speaker 1: There was no plant and a.
Speaker 3: Like an apart It looked like a hallway.
Speaker 1: It looked like an apartment hallway.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: I was just like, huh, I.
Speaker 3: Thought the same thing.
Speaker 2: I was like, wait, what do we and then I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, okay, that makes sense, but not the
Speaker 2: way that they did it.
Speaker 1: And the house was so cluttered, like I just couldn't
Speaker 1: get past how many chotchkeys. And it wasn't the kitchen.
Speaker 2: I mean, we had Danny Tanner, so Danny Tanner was
Speaker 2: the cleanest. They did not have a Dandy got in
Speaker 2: the first episode.
Speaker 3: First episode, the house was a night.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was a plot point. That was a
Speaker 1: plot point. The houses a nightmare, their moms to come over.
Speaker 3: But if you.
Speaker 2: Notice, like the girls rooms, all of that, it's a
Speaker 2: set deck thing you've got to have because otherwise in
Speaker 2: it looks so bland. You have to overcompensate because on
Speaker 2: camera it just if you would decorate it like a
Speaker 2: normal room.
Speaker 3: You look around and be like, oh my god, it's
Speaker 3: bearing here.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well, I think I think the full House
Speaker 2: set deck they got it. They got it. They struck
Speaker 2: the right balance. Well, but I mean it, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Ours was easy.
Speaker 3: We had a theme, you know, nautical, Yeah, right.
Speaker 1: This this that.
Speaker 2: I don't think there was a theme. There was no
Speaker 2: seapappy that was certainly missing. Definitely not but yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: There was just so much stuff on the counter, like
Speaker 1: the kitchen counters. I was like, put that stuff away.
Speaker 1: You don't need all your spices out on the counter
Speaker 1: and all of your jobs.
Speaker 3: The spices are out on the counter. In the full
Speaker 3: house kitchen, it was a goose. There's all that crap
Speaker 3: on the on the island.
Speaker 2: That goes around this west stuff, and there's a bunch
Speaker 2: of crap on the kitchen on the back wall there
Speaker 2: with the counter spaces. I think I'm just space in that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I'm just so used.
Speaker 1: To these house. This was the walls.
Speaker 2: If you look at the walls in the girls room,
Speaker 2: there's a Winchester Mystery House Tour brochure pinned to No
Speaker 2: No Joke, pinned to DJ's bulletin board, Like there's random
Speaker 2: crap in there, all of the like SPADs and set debbins.
Speaker 2: It's almost like set Next being paid per item that
Speaker 2: they put into. Yes, you gotta make it like you
Speaker 2: have to build the story of like Okay, this kid
Speaker 2: has one ribbons doing that or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, Like
Speaker 2: DJ was into horses, so they had all these horse
Speaker 2: figurines ventures into Nelson.
Speaker 1: And then you were into Doogie Houser.
Speaker 3: So you know this is just wow.
Speaker 1: Oops, okay, okay, So anyways, I will try to get
Speaker 1: past the distraction of the cluttered house and the weird
Speaker 1: mudroom entrance. Uh Eddie confides in his grandma about this
Speaker 1: party that he wants to go to tonight. Those curfews
Speaker 1: at ten the Rambo movie marathon doesn't start until nine thirty,
Speaker 1: and so Estelle assures him that she is going to
Speaker 1: fight for his right to party.
Speaker 3: Now, see, this didn't feel.
Speaker 2: This felt like not true to who she is for
Speaker 2: me in the brief moment that I've never in seven minutes,
Speaker 2: you've known still that I've never I'm like this lady
Speaker 2: is not about to let a child go out till
Speaker 2: two o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't know if she was just trying to
Speaker 1: be buddy buddy with her grand I.
Speaker 2: Get well, yeah, I guess that kind of the thing
Speaker 2: is that, like you're the you're seeing that like she'll
Speaker 2: let the grandkids get away with murder and that she's
Speaker 2: going to kind of interfere with stuff.
Speaker 3: So I get that.
Speaker 1: And she's undermining Carl's parents.
Speaker 3: She's exporting that's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's like, I care what you think, Grandma. You have
Speaker 1: to respect what the parents.
Speaker 2: But I do feel like she would have been like
Speaker 2: two am, yeah, absolutely, it's too late.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why would grandma be on board with that?
Speaker 3: So I don't know who knows? Who knows what Grandma's
Speaker 3: up to.
Speaker 2: Grandma's just trying to create Haral world. She's like, I know,
Speaker 2: the Queen of England, I mean of England.
Speaker 1: She's a fascinating character. I'm gonna keep watching the show
Speaker 1: to find out more about Estelle. Then Harriet's sister Rachel,
Speaker 1: So it took me a minute to figure this out
Speaker 1: to who she is in the context of the family.
Speaker 1: She's Harriet's sister and the mother of this baby. This
Speaker 1: random baby just showed up in the kitchen. Baby Richie
Speaker 1: and so we find out in the later scene that
Speaker 1: Rachel's husband died.
Speaker 2: I don't think she says how he died, though, did she. Well,
Speaker 2: they never, they never really don't get into it too much.
Speaker 1: We'll get that in season eight. Yeah, and that's how
Speaker 1: she and her baby came to live with the Winslows. Okay,
Speaker 1: so it took me a while to put that together.
Speaker 2: So she's like, the well, cause I was just like,
Speaker 2: I felt like it was explained like over. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: we get you're basically drawing a family tree at this
Speaker 2: point by the.
Speaker 1: Time we got to that scene. But when she walks
Speaker 1: in with all of Estelle's luggage, I thought she was
Speaker 1: a Stelle's daughter. But she's not.
Speaker 2: She's she's not related. She's related to the Harriet side.
Speaker 2: But I thought, oh, it's the daughter she's says. But
Speaker 2: earlier that she says something about Carl. I think says,
Speaker 2: your sister went to go pick up mom at the airport,
Speaker 2: if I remember.
Speaker 1: Right, probably I was there a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of characters, yes, And I was just it took me
Speaker 1: a minute to put the family tree together, but I
Speaker 1: think there, you got it together. So we've got this
Speaker 1: is how they.
Speaker 2: Get the baby.
Speaker 3: There that they have a baby, and she's.
Speaker 2: So she like the uncle Jesse. She's the sister, he's
Speaker 2: the brother in law. She's the sister in law. She's
Speaker 2: like the uncle Jesse version. I don't know, she's not
Speaker 2: really just as far as like being an aunt or uncle. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like I remember Toma Hopkins did not last
Speaker 2: long on that.
Speaker 3: Show Last Friction. Really things on there.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I could be please don't quote me
Speaker 2: on that, Okay, I could be making but like it
Speaker 2: sounded familiar when I was like.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, I feel like I.
Speaker 2: Thought Thelma was in like most of the series.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. She was on that girl Lele and so
Speaker 1: I remember everyone's like, oh my god, she's a legend,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, she's a legend, but maybe it's
Speaker 1: just not a family matters legend, just a legend for
Speaker 1: all her other work. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what season that that that they left them.
Speaker 3: Oh, we're gonna he just looked it up.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're getting live updates.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned, live updates.
Speaker 3: Season four she left, Okay, so she was she did.
Speaker 1: She did half of the shows Okay, a little less
Speaker 1: than half.
Speaker 2: All right, that's that's so significant. Yeah, he just feels
Speaker 2: like that too. Where does she.
Speaker 3: Move a contract? Renegotiation?
Speaker 2: Is what that feels like? That is that's exactly the money.
Speaker 1: No, you don't see, Yeah, but fascinating.
Speaker 2: Okay. So then after Estelle tries to interfere with Carl
Speaker 2: and Harriet's parenting, a fight blows up at the dinner table.
Speaker 2: Carl finally realizes he needs to talk with his mother
Speaker 2: and set some boundaries. Big lesson for Carl.
Speaker 1: He for someone who's a cop in real life, I
Speaker 1: assume that you know, he he's stern and to the point,
Speaker 1: but like he's not like this in his private home life.
Speaker 1: He's anxious all the time and not direct. He's passive, aggressive,
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to talk to his mother, Like it's
Speaker 1: just like mom's intimidating.
Speaker 2: I think that's the thing, is like he's a cop
Speaker 2: and everyone like he's you know, secure and everywhere else,
Speaker 2: But when it comes to his mom, he's like, oh lord,
Speaker 2: this lady falls apart.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna argue with her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally falls apart.
Speaker 2: I get that that happens. You know, moms can be
Speaker 2: big presences.
Speaker 1: And estelle is she has hurt. I got to eat
Speaker 1: right now, or my digestion isn't good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like this, Yeah, so I can tell why Carl's like,
Speaker 2: oh god, oh god, what.
Speaker 3: Am I am? I doing it wrong?
Speaker 2: I do it? Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like he could have instead of saying complaining
Speaker 1: Mom keeps sitting in my chair. You just read director
Speaker 1: say hey Mom, that's my chair, let me sit you
Speaker 1: over here instead. But that's the thing, it's logical for
Speaker 1: a sitcom.
Speaker 2: But see that's now the thing is is this kind
Speaker 2: of relationship. He would say that, and she'd be like, well,
Speaker 2: it's more comfortable and I'm old, so I'm gonna sit here.
Speaker 3: But you know what I mean, that's the thing is.
Speaker 3: I don't think exactly.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's he can't tell her to move
Speaker 2: once once she sits. You are not telling her mother Winslow,
Speaker 2: that she needs to move, You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: This is a complishing. It's the use you got respect
Speaker 1: your elders don't question Mama Winslow.
Speaker 2: But she's living a driving its house with their.
Speaker 1: Rules and their parenting, so right, friction, This is a
Speaker 1: tremis for a serious excellent. So Carl and Estelle have
Speaker 1: a heart to heart and acknowledge that they really want
Speaker 1: this living situation to work.
Speaker 3: And you can see to their background music better.
Speaker 2: Oh really, rather than like violins, it had like a
Speaker 2: little it was a little uh I don't know. That's
Speaker 2: a little less chaccharine and like sappy shmoopy, yeah, lesh
Speaker 2: movie and more like uh I don't know, just a
Speaker 2: little more upbeat, a.
Speaker 1: Little more up beat. Yeah, I thought this this You
Speaker 1: could see the formula is working the sitcomference. You got
Speaker 1: the heart to heart, you got the music, you got
Speaker 1: the hont you got the compromise, and it all just works.
Speaker 1: You know, this is how you end a sitcom. Yes,
Speaker 1: and it's lovely. It's lovely. Then I thought that was
Speaker 1: the end of the show. Oh no, it's not. Carl
Speaker 1: goes up to Eddie's room, which is in the attic.
Speaker 2: Throw somebody in the in the These people's addicts are incredible, immaculates,
Speaker 2: are the best addicts I've ever seen. Dust, there's no decay. No,
Speaker 2: they've got windows. It's gorgeous attics.
Speaker 1: Yes, and one of the kids is always displaced, just
Speaker 1: to throw.
Speaker 3: In the attic.
Speaker 1: Uh. So Carl extends Eddie's curfew and allows him to
Speaker 1: go to the party tonight.
Speaker 2: But not before Eddie was creeping on the neighbor across
Speaker 2: the street with binoculars, and so is Carl.
Speaker 3: And I couldn't figure out. I wanted to.
Speaker 2: Tell myself, said Carl took the binoculars because he was like,
Speaker 2: I don't want my son to do this. But I
Speaker 2: think the joke was he took him because he wanted
Speaker 2: to be the.
Speaker 3: One to look.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think you're right that that's a joke, and
Speaker 2: that made it creepier. I didn't again, this is this
Speaker 2: was the nineties. You're nothing's funnier than you know, inappropriate
Speaker 2: dude watching. Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1: Well I at first innocent me. I was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: isn't that cute? Eddie is looking at the Rambo marathon
Speaker 1: across the street that he couldn't go to.
Speaker 2: But no, I know it's a love he's so su
Speaker 2: and you're like, no, no, no, no, no, lady get across.
Speaker 1: When he said don't move to a different room, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, it's not a not a Rambo marathon,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a lady so yeah, I didn't love that.
Speaker 1: That very distracted.
Speaker 2: The weird camera angles in this scene too. Yeah, there
Speaker 2: was there was a lot of things where I was like,
Speaker 2: can you move You're in his light? Can you There
Speaker 2: was take a step you need to step.
Speaker 3: Back because you can't you feel the shadow? You know,
Speaker 3: she feels like that, right, the actor.
Speaker 1: Should have felt the shadow. And there was one shot
Speaker 1: where it was like shot from the floor up and
Speaker 1: I'm just like what what?
Speaker 3: Yes is this?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: It was waste yea. Yeah, there's some strange things happening
Speaker 3: in there.
Speaker 1: Thinking and then the episode ends with Harriet, carl Estelle
Speaker 1: and Rachel singing He's got the whole world in his hands.
Speaker 2: I love this.
Speaker 1: What a great end A.
Speaker 3: Pilot ended with a with a song and.
Speaker 1: With a family.
Speaker 2: I hope this is a recurring gospel show. You got.
Speaker 1: I like it. I bought into it. I bought into
Speaker 1: the family.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was you know, it was cute. It was.
Speaker 2: It was cute.
Speaker 1: There were lots of scanned out like I thought. Kelly
Speaker 1: Williams as Laura.
Speaker 2: Was Yeah, it's fantastic, like she has so much shaded grass.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. She was fantastic Darius. I can tell
Speaker 1: he's kind of growing into his character a little bit
Speaker 1: for sure, staying a little more comfortable with.
Speaker 2: And the little girl was not the little girl that
Speaker 2: wind up being there later. And then that little girl
Speaker 2: went away too. Oh so she was recast, and then
Speaker 2: the second was recast, and the second one went and
Speaker 2: the second one. They're literally the sort of joke is
Speaker 2: she walks up the stairs one day and then never returns.
Speaker 3: You never hear from her again or see her.
Speaker 2: She's just and the producers are like off into the night.
Speaker 2: Audiences will never notice.
Speaker 3: They're like, they're not paying attention.
Speaker 2: They won't be watching this in forty years, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the little girl.
Speaker 1: I don't have much to say about the little girl,
Speaker 1: although you know, I'm thinking the Olsens should feel lucky
Speaker 1: by now, because you got the little girl was disposed
Speaker 1: of unfamily matters. She was recast on Boy Meets World
Speaker 1: as well. The little girl was recast there. So I'm like, man, we.
Speaker 2: Got lucky with the Oldsens. It's just like maybe the
Speaker 2: old shows.
Speaker 3: I'm glad.
Speaker 2: I'm glad I made it for chopping block. Nobody is safee,
Speaker 2: nobody is safe. I mean, well, I mean Danny. We
Speaker 2: didn't replace Danny.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right, but not after the series aired,
Speaker 1: like the series after the pilot was shot, well after
Speaker 1: it was shot. But it hadn't nobody has no searching
Speaker 1: on YouTube that No, it hasn't never aired yet. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if we got an
Speaker 1: accurate feel of family matters without Rcle, like because because
Speaker 1: he's kind became the show, you know, yeah, so uh yeah,
Speaker 1: And I don't think he comes in until season two,
Speaker 1: so we could watch all of season one and not
Speaker 1: no right and.
Speaker 2: No matter of a moment. Yeah, so I feel like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I like this.
Speaker 1: I like this show.
Speaker 3: It's cute.
Speaker 2: It's cute.
Speaker 3: I like, yeah, I like I like Mother Winslow.
Speaker 2: She's great.
Speaker 3: I like her. I like I love Harriet. Harriet were
Speaker 3: kind of my two favorites.
Speaker 1: She's fantastic. Carl is like the emotional core of the show,
Speaker 1: like a Danny Tanner, yes, like a lovable father figure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was cute. It was a you know, it's
Speaker 3: a cute TJ.
Speaker 2: I can see how it fit into the t G.
Speaker 2: I f Cannon absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 1: It was a great addition. Same producers, Tom Miller, Bob Boyette.
Speaker 1: They had the winning formula for families.
Speaker 3: Although this was a Biley, this was a Bickley Warren.
Speaker 2: Oh show, it wasn't Miller Boyette.
Speaker 3: Miller Boyett developed it. Basically they were like.
Speaker 2: The overseeing development producers, which is kind of what they
Speaker 2: were on Full House too. But it was uh uh yeah,
Speaker 2: Bickley Warren not not Mark Warren, Michael Warren, Michael Warren
Speaker 2: and I forget what the other. I feel bad, I
Speaker 2: forget the other mister Bickley's name. But they were another
Speaker 2: very popular sitcom producing doing. Okay, Yeah, they were basically
Speaker 2: I think like the Jeff Franklin, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: like the creator, the writer.
Speaker 1: There has been two Jeff's. This is that would be
Speaker 1: the exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: They were what Mark and Dennis became, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so yeah, no, it was a great, great show.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of I don't know what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about here, but I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: when of that I never know what I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: but I think a lot of people mistakenly assumed that
Speaker 1: this was like the first black family sitcom on TV,
Speaker 1: which is not true. We have the Jefferson's, we have
Speaker 1: the Cosby Show, but maybe millennials, this is the first
Speaker 1: black family sitcom that they watch well on TV every
Speaker 1: Friday night.
Speaker 4: To be very real, people of color were incredibly underrepresented
Speaker 4: in television, in sitcom families, in any families, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, they were always kind of the you know,
Speaker 2: the side character or the you know. And I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that this was the stix out in people's
Speaker 2: minds because also, like the popularity of family sitcoms at
Speaker 2: this time, it was, you know, it was it was
Speaker 2: a big one. But yeah, the Jefferson, Sanford Soon, two
Speaker 2: to seven, God, I love to seven. Yeah, all, you know,
Speaker 2: there's all of those. It was great, yeah, good times. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think I like that this was just framed
Speaker 1: as it's it's a maybe I'm mistaken by saying it's
Speaker 1: a black family sitcom. It was a family sitcom that
Speaker 1: happened to feature a black family. So it's just like
Speaker 1: this is just it's not it's not it's representation without spectacle.
Speaker 1: It's like this is just the norm.
Speaker 3: And well, I do think I think it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that, you know, the strong mom character
Speaker 2: is a strong gram you know like that.
Speaker 3: I think probably resonated with a lot of people because you.
Speaker 2: Don't don't mess with Mama.
Speaker 1: Don't mess with exactly Mama knows best.
Speaker 2: But but no, I I and you know, I know
Speaker 2: a lot of people kind of unfairly go oh it
Speaker 2: was just you know, the full house, but made for
Speaker 2: you know, different people, different culture. But but it wasn't
Speaker 2: it was you know, there were similarities. But every if
Speaker 2: you watch every family sitcom, they're pretty much at similarities. Right,
Speaker 2: Someone's probably did someone's probably moving in and uh yeah
Speaker 2: in hilario and.
Speaker 1: Sues, hilarity and sues. There's definitely a formula. But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to comment on the importance of this
Speaker 1: show and the cultural you know, it was. It was important,
Speaker 1: It was great. And now I want to watch when
Speaker 1: the first episode with Erkeles.
Speaker 3: Come back and watch that. We like, let's watch the
Speaker 3: Erkle debut.
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Speaker 2: What you think if this was a family that you
Speaker 2: related to, you know, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: Did you prefer it as the Erkle Show or do
Speaker 1: you miss like these?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was early.
Speaker 1: Seasons where it was more about the family instead of
Speaker 1: the crazy neighbor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would.
Speaker 2: I would be interested to hear how people felt about that,
Speaker 2: and like if it was a weird sort of oh,
Speaker 2: we don't like this kid and then we like him,
Speaker 2: or you know, let us know your thoughts, guys, we'd
Speaker 2: love to hear it. And I think that's it. So
Speaker 2: in the meantime, remember the world is small, the house
Speaker 2: is full.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I had one.
Speaker 2: All these so many chose there's set deck everywhere, set
Speaker 2: deck not that's just spilling into the camera aisle, like
Speaker 2: it just keeps the of crap that they found in
Speaker 2: the in the sony prop departments that they.
Speaker 1: Just hire prop departments in all the house.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, well they're you know, they were collectors.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: Kept the house warmer in those Chicago.
Speaker 3: Right Chicago's cold.
Speaker 2: You got to have a lot of crap in there
Speaker 2: to fill it up, you know. I just have drafts everywhere,
Speaker 2: So
Speaker 3: All right, everybody, We'll see you next time.