1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Are you ready for a break? Yes? Are you ready 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: for a break? Absolutely? Ready for a break? Yeah? And 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: so much for that. It's time for The Break on 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and 5 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. It is Tuesday, July thirtieth, 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, Season fifteen, episode number sixteen. Welcome to another 7 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: edition of The Break. We are live from Hawkstart, California, 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: and we've got some really, really great conversation for you 9 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 1: guys today. I hope you guys are ready. Got a 10 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: lot to talk about with Ezekiel Elliott and Cowboys signing 11 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: of a running back yesterday, and maybe that's there's a 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: message in that, maybe there's not. We're gonna get into 13 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: some camp observations from yesterday. Yesterday was the first day 14 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: the Cowboys were in pads. Lots of things to notice. 15 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,639 Speaker 1: I'll take the opinions of these guys and what they 16 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: saw and let you guys here a little bit about 17 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: what happened in practice. And if we have a little 18 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: bit of time, I want to dive a little bit 19 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,639 Speaker 1: into the tight end position and Jason Witten coming back 20 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: this season. Guys like Blake Jarwin, who've now had a 21 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,639 Speaker 1: little bit experience and where they fit with Jason Witten 22 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: now in the tight end room, like talk a little 23 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: bit about that. I think there's some interesting conversations there. 24 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: How's everybody feeling this morning? Lovely, really really good good. 25 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: There is a practice that will be starting up here 26 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: at ten forty five this morning out here in Oxnards, 27 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: so we'll be ending the show a little bit early, 28 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: but let's just jump right into it. Also, there's there's 29 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: a guy sam blasting over there. There's nothing we can 30 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: do about it. We're sorry. Hopefully he'll stop. I apologize. 31 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: We all apologize on behalf of the sam blaster. Yeah, 32 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 1: if we get to just know, I know we're gonna 33 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: I know we're gonna get comments about it. And it's 34 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: not like we're doing it on purpose. We get too 35 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: far into this camp and he's still doing that. I'm 36 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: going to send you over there to have a conversation 37 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: with him, the muscle because because I'm the muscle. Yeah, 38 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: the shortest guy is the more our guy we send 39 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: to handle those kinds of things. He'll just speak to 40 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: you in Spanish. Oh, I'm waiting for the time because 41 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: Nick has that little giggle like, yeah, something I was 42 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: about to say. I was about to say, you might 43 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: want to take Amber, but she's gonna say that's fine. Okay, Okay, 44 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: here we go. Let's do a little it is. Let's 45 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: do a little blanket coverage here, start the show. I 46 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: got a couple of sentences for you guys, a couple 47 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: of statements that will be a blank that you guys 48 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: will fill in. Let's start first with this statement. Zeke's 49 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: decision to train in Cabo is blank, Dave, I don't 50 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: even have a reaction to it. He's he is at 51 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: a gym that his agent owns. He's been there before, 52 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: he trained there during his suspension. Maybe it's a bad 53 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: look because Cabo is a vacation destination. I'm because of 54 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: what happened in Dallas many years ago. But go ahead. 55 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: But when Ezekiel Elliott was eight, I mean, so what, 56 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: I don't care. I know Ezekiel Elliott. You know he 57 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: comes with his baggage. He's had some issues off the field, 58 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: but in terms of like playing running back, he's a professional. 59 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: Whether he's here next week or a month from now, 60 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: he'll be ready. I don't care, Amber, I mean I 61 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: think he he's matured. He's mature enough to where I 62 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't expect him to make a dumb decision, especially at 63 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: the in the spot his end right now, you know, 64 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: looking for a contract. I would not think he would 65 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: make that mistake. Yes he has in the past. You 66 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: can laugh about it. But if you're if right now, 67 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: what you're trying to do is get your money and 68 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: your deal, you wouldn't do something like that. And like 69 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: Dave said, he's been there before and he trained over there. 70 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: You know, players like training on the sand and somehow 71 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: that does something for your feet or something. It helps 72 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: your calves immensely. Good time calf workout. It's a good workout. Okay, 73 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: well no, probably not your calf. Zeke's decision training Cobo 74 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: Nick is um interesting, okay, um. You know, I just 75 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: I'm not going to go there with you on on 76 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: he's matured and he's not gonna have a bad look 77 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: because he's already had bad looks. He had a bad 78 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: look this offseason, and we argued on that, like does 79 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: that really matter? But it still was a bad look. 80 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: It was a bad look to to be in Vegas 81 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: for you know, maybe seven or eight hours before you're 82 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: going to have your own camp in Dallas, and then 83 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: also to be you know, um, you know, stopped by 84 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: the police is not good either. But I just think 85 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: that it's just interesting to he's gonna go do that. 86 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: But if training is a part of it, that's fine, 87 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: you know, long as training is in that because because 88 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: you're right, he's gonna come back, and when he comes back, 89 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: he's got to be ready, and then we'll see if 90 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: he's if it's doing more training or more partying. So 91 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: with all that being said, my opinion, I'm speaking for 92 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,679 Speaker 1: each of you, my opinion on how long this holdout 93 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: will last. Blank Amber, While I may after I've seen 94 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: that he goes to Cabbo. The Cowboys signing Alfred Moore 95 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: is clearly they're getting ready and preparing themselves in case 96 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: this goes past the first week of the regular season. 97 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: So it doesn't what it looks so far as of 98 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: right now, to me, it doesn't seem like this is 99 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: going to happen before the season starts. Nick Um, I 100 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: think they are covering all bases here. I still think 101 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: they're gonna try to get this thing done before the season, 102 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: but it wouldn't be I wouldn't be surprised if he 103 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: goes into September. I will be surprised if he misses 104 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: the first game, but I will I don't think it'll 105 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: I think it'll go that far. But we'll talk about 106 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: the Morris thing. I don't. I think they're just kind 107 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: of covering themselves. Yeah, my opinion hasn't changed. I hope 108 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: they're smarter than to think they're covering themselves by signing 109 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: Alfred Morris. I mean, if that's you know, they're like, well, 110 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: he might miss games. We gotta get Alfred Morris. Good 111 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: luck with that. No offense Alfred, I'm sorry, but not 112 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: the way we all love. I love him to death, 113 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: but I don't think it's a great way to protect 114 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: yourself against not having Ezekiel Elliott. And that's kind of 115 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: my point is he does have leverage because they there 116 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: isn't something they can do short of trading another first 117 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: round pick. There's not a whole lot they can do 118 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: to ensure themselves against not having him at this point 119 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: in the year. So yeah, I think it's more base 120 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: covering than getting ready for I'm sort of standoff. You know, 121 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: maybe it does go into September, but I still don't 122 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: think he misses games. Here's one makes me think otherwise. 123 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: The Cowboys tend to be a little patient in a way. 124 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: They tend to play their cards at their own time. 125 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 1: To me, this happened pretty soon, especially after Jerry Jones 126 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: talked about giving these new younger guys the opportunity of, 127 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: you know, training out here and seeing them develop. It 128 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: happened rather too quickly. I know Alfred had had visited 129 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: another team and all that, but I don't know, It's 130 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 1: just it doesn't seem we'll see what happened. One thing 131 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: to note on that, and Dave you just tweeted about this. 132 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: Right before we went on the air. Will McClay was 133 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: one with one of the local radio stations and talked 134 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: about some of the rationales to why they went out 135 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: and got Alfred Moors. Talk a little bit about that 136 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: because maybe that answered a little bit of what Amber 137 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: is is alluding to there. Well, it's really fun. I mean, 138 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,559 Speaker 1: you know, we'll talk for fifteen minutes with our friends 139 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: on one oh five through the fan and it's it 140 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 1: started off, you know, talk about the Morris move. While 141 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: we're creating competition, doesn't mean we don't like our young guys, 142 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: we've barely even practiced, but this is a guy who 143 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: knows how to do it. We're always about fostering competition, 144 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,239 Speaker 1: you know, hopefully these young guys understand that they should 145 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: understand that they're in the NFL. And they just kept 146 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: asking him questions, and I think one of the guys 147 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: was like sort of trying to hint about, like, well, 148 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: is this a shot at Zeke Bubbaly or are you 149 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: trying to put him on notice? And finally Will sounded 150 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: kind of exasperate. He was like, most teams have six 151 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: backs in camp right now, we don't. We needed to 152 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: six back. Alfred is our six back, and there's no 153 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: guarantees beyond that we know what he can do. We 154 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: like him, but basically there's no guarantee he even makes 155 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: the roster. And so we had an hour to kill 156 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: before the show. So I went and looked, and he's right. 157 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: There were only five teams that didn't. Now there's four 158 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: because the Cowboys have six. Now most teams have seven 159 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: or eight. So you know, it seems like there's not 160 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: enough reps to go around, but they'll they'll find a 161 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: way to make it work. And you know, you can 162 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: argue that, say, well, why don't you just get a 163 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: young guy. They've got plenty of those. They got plenty 164 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: of players that have never taken a snap in the NFL. Um. 165 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: In fact, of the four backs that I could think 166 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: of right now, the two rookies, Jordan Chun and Darius Jackson, 167 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: they have a combined uh six carries, all of them 168 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: are Darius and all Darius, all in the last regular 169 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: season game of last year, right, right, So not a 170 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: lot to work with in terms of NFL experience. Yeah, 171 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: you know, and I know that Jerry you know, came 172 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: out and said something on I guess it was Channel 173 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: eleven and said, we don't you know, you don't need 174 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: a running you don't need a rushing champion to win 175 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. I thought that was really interesting because 176 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: he does what do you mean, He's never won a 177 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: Super Bowl without the rushing champion. That was also a 178 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: long long time ago, and a lot about the NFL seas, right, So, 179 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: but before for you for Jerry Jones to say you 180 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 1: don't need one, he's never won a Super Bowl without one, right, 181 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: But I think I understand the point. It's happened four times, 182 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: three of them are in Smith for him. So the 183 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: way this team is structured and its structured kind of 184 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: similar to that. So it's he's right, but it's just 185 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: that he's never experienced it either. So the last three 186 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,719 Speaker 1: times this team has experienced playoff success, it had the 187 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: rushing champion as well, whether that was Ezekiel Elliott or 188 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: DeMarco Murray. Yeah, so I think the thing is, can 189 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: you can kind of look at this and say, well, 190 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: they took that approach with wide receivers last year and 191 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: it didn't work out. You need a number one, And 192 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: if you want to start thinking about that with running back, 193 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: you might find yourself in the exact same situation. Although 194 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: today's NFL, he does have a legitimate point from standpoint. 195 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 1: In today's NFL, there are a lot of really good 196 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: teams that do very very good things without having the 197 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: best running back in the league. Now that means you 198 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 1: probably need to have one of the better quarterbacks in 199 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: the league or and or one of the best coaches 200 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: in the league. And so do you have those things? 201 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: That becomes the question if you don't have that kind 202 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: of runner that really put you over the top offensively. Yeah, 203 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: Will actually had a great answer to that too. He 204 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: was like, he's like Jerry, Jerry said something that's true, 205 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: Like you clearly don't need one because so many teams 206 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 1: have done it without him, but you know, and then 207 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: he followed that up by saying, like, we're interested in 208 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 1: having the best players, like we want the top talent 209 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: regardless of position, Like, of course we value Zeke all 210 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: that good stuff. And that's I've I think I've said 211 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: this already even since we started the show's back in 212 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: Oxnar's like, you don't need a running back of Zeke's caliber, 213 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: but this team, the way it's constructed, and especially at 214 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: this point in the year, like like there aren't other avenues. 215 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: You can't draft one free agencies long gone. It's it's 216 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: past time to try to find a real contingency plan. 217 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: You are tied to this guy if you want to 218 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: have the type of season you you want to have 219 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 1: in my opinion, So let's talk a little bit about 220 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: Alfred Morris and that's signing. One of the things I 221 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: thought was kind of curious in this whole thing was 222 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: his decision to come to the Cowboys. I think it's 223 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: a good move for the Cowboys because you improve competition 224 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: regards to what you think of the other backs here. 225 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,080 Speaker 1: You brought in a back that has experienced deck and 226 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 1: challenge the guys that are here, teach them a little 227 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: bit along the way. I think that's a good move 228 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. But if you look at it from 229 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: Alfred Morris's point of view, he was going to have 230 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: a triald Or he did have a tryout with the Saints, 231 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: and then he made the decision to come here. My 232 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: big question is do you think he can make this team. 233 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: Let's assume Zeke comes back at whatever point Zeke comes back, 234 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: can't even make this team when you think about the 235 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: other guys that are here, he can. I think he 236 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: can make this team. He's got to be better, appreciably 237 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,599 Speaker 1: better than Mike Webber and Darius Jackson. He's got to 238 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: be way better than them because and then if Tony 239 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 1: Pollard proves to be a better inside runner, then it's 240 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: gonna be hard for him. But if he's kind of 241 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: a guy that can play on the outside and does 242 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: different things, and if anything were to happen to Zeke, 243 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: they don't really have a good backup, then that's where 244 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: Morris will play into this. But if Webber shows some 245 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: flashes and Jackson shows some flashes. It's gonna be kind 246 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: of tough on him, but you know, better than two 247 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: guys that have a buying six carries. It's possible. Yeah, 248 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's thirty years old, but he's he's 249 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: been to two Pro Bowls. He's done this before. He 250 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: knows the scheme here, he knows everybody here. Actually I 251 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: didn't know this. I read it on Twitter last night. 252 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: His family stayed in Dallas when he went to San Francisco. 253 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: Seems like everybody does something about Dallas. I don't know 254 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: if it's the No. I mean, it's a great place 255 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 1: to live, don't get me wrong. Maybe no, stay in 256 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 1: Texas because same thing happens in Houston. There are a 257 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: lot of former athletes that live in the Houston area. 258 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: The state income tax. It's home for him, at least 259 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 1: for the time being. But yeah, I mean, I keep 260 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: saying this. Pollard's the only one besides Zeke that they've 261 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: invested anything in. You know, I thought, you know, Weber 262 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: was drafted and that's exciting, but so is bo Scarborough. 263 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,719 Speaker 1: You know so, But the question is, you would think 264 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: for younger guys, you get something on special teams, Zeke, 265 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: I mean, Alfred Morris is not going to be a 266 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: special team Yeah, but and Nick's right, he has to 267 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: be appreciably better. But if if you are appreciably more 268 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: confident that he will give you more juice than you'll 269 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: find a way to make that work, whether you know 270 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: linebackers or whatever. Maybe he's an inactive guy, you know 271 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: during the season. He doesn't play a lot on game day, 272 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: but if something were to happen, that's what he was 273 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: last time here. Um, you know, and I think it's 274 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: it's worth pointing out that before the draft, you know, 275 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: Jerry Jones was had kind of made some comments about, 276 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: you know, the direction of where they might go. It 277 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 1: wasn't Republic, but he kind of had said, you know, 278 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna look at the draft, but Alfred Morris was 279 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: on the radar back then. This isn't just a oh 280 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: you're going to Cabbo watch this. Uh Morris. Morris has 281 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: been a guy they've been looking at. But they drafted 282 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: two running backs so they said, all right, we're gonna 283 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: go here. But he's been He's been on the radar 284 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: for a long time. That is a really good point 285 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: that I forgot about because they drafted two backs. But 286 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: way back in April, Jerry was like, you know, free 287 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: agency will be their force when the draft's over if 288 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: we need it. And maybe Alfred Morris going on all 289 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: these visits, maybe they felt like they couldn't wait around, 290 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: and that's why they did it so quickly. It's right right, 291 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: It's like, hey, if we want him on the roster, 292 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: maybe we need to do something before this Saints or 293 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: somebody else gets trigger happy. Maybe I still don't answer 294 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 1: your question though, wife for Morris, we don't know that, yeah, 295 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: and not that we would until we talk to him, 296 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: but but I do think, I mean, there were some 297 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: good points there. Obviously, his family already being in Dallas 298 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: that makes a difference. Him feeling like he already knows 299 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: the system makes a difference. At his age, my presumption 300 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: would be thinking about this offensive line, he may be like, hey, 301 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: there's if there's any place I feel like I can 302 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: do damage, Uh, here, it's here. You look at his 303 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: his average per carry two years ago when he was 304 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: with Dallas, it was a full point higher a full 305 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: yard higher than what it was in San Francisco last season. 306 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: So there's a difference that's made by the offensive line 307 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: and the offense that you're that you're running in, so 308 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: all those things matter. I just think that it's kind 309 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: of tough when you start figuring out how he makes 310 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: this team. If Zeke is back, I have a hard 311 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: time figuring out how he makes a team. And just 312 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: well I don't just because I mean, like you know, 313 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: Darius Jackson, Mike Weber, they're great guys, but not by 314 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: any means. You know, he didn't invest anything in him. 315 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: There a seventh round pick and a sixth round pick 316 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: from four years ago. If if it's even closer, if 317 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: Morris is even a little bit better, I don't think 318 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: that's a hard call at all. I'm gonna get pissed 319 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: if he gets cut. Who Alfred Alfred? Yeah? I mean 320 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, well that sucks, because that sucks. He's 321 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: such a nice guy. He comes in here and then 322 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: let's say, okay, welcome to the NFL. Well, we still 323 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: need to talk about what happens contract wise. If he's 324 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: here in place week one, let's say, uh, Seek is 325 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: not back yet, what happens with his contract? Seek comes 326 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: like week two, he gets a big deal whatever, and 327 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: then you decide to cut Alfred, you have to pay 328 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: the whole year. And that's why, I mean, love Alfred 329 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: to death, but that's why I'm guarded about him making 330 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: the team, like he's gotta They gotta really know that 331 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: he's worth it, because they guarantee a salary by putting 332 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: him on the team, and we don't know exactly what 333 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: the contract, right they could say we're going to guarantee 334 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: three or four game checks. You know, there was a 335 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: reason why he decided to sign here, right, we don't 336 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: know all of them, but I mean it was probably 337 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: more than just I'm gonna play here, and I guess 338 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: that's what I was pointing to is at least for me, 339 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: I think there maybe a little bit more than we 340 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: know about why or what the Cowboys told him, And 341 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: that's where it starts to beg the question what kind 342 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: of picture did they paint of the whole Zeke situation 343 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: for Alfred that made him feel like this was a 344 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: good place for him to come and sign. Again, we 345 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: don't know any of that, but it is a little 346 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: curious why he made the decision. Dallas. I think there's 347 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: some reasons why, but it's still a little bit curious. 348 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: We're gonna take our first break and we come back. 349 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about practice yesterday. It was the first 350 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: padded practice for the Cowboys, and we want to find 351 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: out from these guys what their observations were. We got 352 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: a few observations that were pretty interesting, some interesting things 353 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: to see out there yesterday. 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It's day 396 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: four of Cowboys training or practice number four of the 397 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: Cowboys training camp. Do they they have a morning practice? 398 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: The crowd's already assembling. We started to see people filter 399 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: onto the field. That practice will start at ten forty 400 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: five am Pacific time. We'll have lots of coverage and 401 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: if you haven't been able to check it out from yesterday, 402 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: we did start up our training Camp live segment, the 403 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: videos that we do live during training camp practice. Dave 404 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: Hellman was on it with Brian brought us good segment. 405 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: Makes you check that out and makes you continue to 406 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: check it out throughout training camp. All right, let's get 407 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 1: into some observations. Nick. I'll start with you talk me 408 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 1: through some of the things that you noticed yesterday as 409 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: you're watching practice first day in pat You know, I 410 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: thought it was really interesting to see what Robert Quinn 411 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: was going to be able to bring to the pass rush. 412 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: And and you know he's gonna have some better he's 413 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: gonna have some easier challenges than that. But if there 414 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: was any question about Tyrn Smith, I think he's gonna 415 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: be just fine. Um, Robert Quinn might be a really 416 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: good pro, but right now he was hard to see 417 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: it on that first day because he was like any 418 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: other player trying to get as Tyrant Smith. Yeah, it's 419 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: not happening. He couldn't stay on his feet. I honestly 420 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: believe like there's two things for for Robert Quinn's good 421 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: news is bad news. The bad news you got to 422 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: see this guy every day during practice during training camp. 423 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: The good news you're probably not going to see a 424 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 1: guy better than him on Sundays throughout the entire season. 425 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: So take it as a learning opportunity. But it's gonna 426 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: be tough. I'd here during training Yeah, I'll put it 427 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: more on Tyring. And we've noticed this this all off season. 428 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,479 Speaker 1: He just looks as good as he's ever looked. I 429 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 1: think physically, he just looks like he's all he's never 430 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: not looked that good. But you could just tell he 431 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: seems healthy, and he looks the part, and he looks 432 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: like a badass. Yeah, and he played like one yesterday, 433 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: he said, yesterday, this is as good as he's felt 434 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: in a couple of years now. But thing that he's 435 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: got on his yeah, he looks like a cyborg honestly, 436 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: like he does. He doesn't look like a human being 437 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: when he's all padded up like that. It's it's it's frightening, 438 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: which is but he's like the least frightening guy like personally. 439 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, that's gonna say. To be fair to 440 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: Robert Quinn, every time he went back against him, he 441 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: gotta timey a little bit better. I mean he was 442 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: still on the ground, but he got better every time. 443 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: You're right, the fourth time. The two the first two 444 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: he just he well, he got up just like yeah, 445 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,199 Speaker 1: grass on his face. Third one got a little bit. 446 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: The fourth one had he had to have moved Dak. Yeah, 447 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: like Dak would have had to move up into the 448 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: pocket or whatever because he was kind of so yeah, 449 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: getting better. Yeah, And by the end of camp, my 450 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: suspicion is that he's gonna be winning some like he 451 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: won't win every time, but he's gonna win some because 452 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 1: that's also nature of We've seen that with other guys 453 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: when you have to that kind of match up. We 454 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: saw it with DeMarcus wearing Tyron when Tyrone was a 455 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: rookie and DeMarcus are just killing him. By the end 456 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: of camp, Tyron's holding his own a little bit, right, 457 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: So you get better as time goes on and you 458 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: kind of get to know what they like to do 459 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: and where what areas they're a little bit deficient in, 460 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: and you try to explore Tyron said after practice, and 461 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: he said, we will. We work together a lot after practice. 462 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: We're gonna make each other better, So that that's a 463 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: good part of it too. Resolutely, Dave throw a little 464 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 1: credit to Connor Williams too, been you know, he's done 465 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: amazing work in the offseason. He's one of the award 466 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: winners for best Strength and Conditioning and sure as hell 467 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: looks like it's translating out there. They called him up 468 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: in front of the team for compete period. Daniel Ross 469 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: just sat down on him just a just hack, power, strength, 470 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,479 Speaker 1: all that stuff. We said he didn't have last year early, 471 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: but it looks like he's got it, so shout out 472 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: to him. And then just watching what the offense kind 473 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,719 Speaker 1: of looked like. You know, Um, I saw a lot 474 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 1: of jet sweeps yesterday, a lot of wide receiver action, 475 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: a lot of motion in the backfield. Saw Tony Pollard 476 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: split out wide and just move all over the formation, 477 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: which you know we're at we're at ground level here, 478 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: and these guys are enormous, so like, it's hard to 479 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: really see what it looks like without having that bird's 480 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: eye view, but I don't know, there's a lot of 481 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: people moving around back there, and it's exciting. I like 482 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: watching it. Well to those people, Dad to keep wondering 483 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: how Taco looks and how Tristan Hill looks when you 484 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen this season, it's not good, no boy, no, 485 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: no boy. No. Yeah, it's a little embarrassing out there, 486 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: but you're gonna still embarrassing. That was for Taco. Tristin Hill. 487 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: Obviously he's new, he's getting adjusted to everything that's going 488 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: on here. He still lacks that strength that you would 489 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: want him to have, so yes, there's room to grow, 490 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: but when you move and start talking about Taco, a 491 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: guy that is going into a third year here he 492 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: does not look good. And him going up against le Collins. 493 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about Lyle. Yes, he's a great 494 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: offensive lineman, but at the same time he makes errors. 495 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: He's not the greatest old line out there, so he 496 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: handle him easy with one arm. I take video of 497 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: every single snap at practice, Like I don't have time 498 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: to really look at at it. I mean I might 499 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: watch it once to make sure it's good, but like 500 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 1: I don't have time to study it, so I don't 501 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: see everything. I went back and looked at a Rep 502 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: Taco going against Lyell and he just got handled and 503 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: like towards the end of his rush, he's like, nah, 504 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: screw this, and it was like the most half hearted 505 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: you know, the Taco spin move, but it was like 506 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: twenty five percent speed. He just looked. He just looked. Honestly, 507 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: you couldn't tell that he's supposed to be a veteran. 508 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: You cannot tell him die. Far apart from what I love, 509 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 1: Like you take this personally, you know, you're like, damn it, Taco, 510 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: come on. But I actually noticed that a couple of 511 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: times there were a couple of rushes he had in 512 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: the one on ones where it seemed like by the 513 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 1: end of it he was just so exasperated because he 514 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 1: was just like, I have nothing to get, Like I 515 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: can't beat this guy at this point, and so he's 516 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: kind of it's almost like he just kind of gave up. 517 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: You see some guys that are like those one hundred 518 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: milk ball in our you know, full time motor type guys, 519 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: and they don't stop until the whistle blows. That wasn't 520 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: him on some of those one on one and the 521 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: hoss rush drills, and so I don't know, he's he's 522 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: got this will be a long camp. He's got some time. 523 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: But when he's got a but he's got to jump in, 524 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: he's got showing something he really does. Will has said 525 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: this before, so it's not new news, but he said 526 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: it again today where he's like, you know, Taco has 527 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: to compete just like everybody else. He's got to compete 528 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: for a roster spot. That's the whole point of this. 529 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: And I think he will, but if he doesn't, the 530 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: train will leave without him. Like we're you know this, 531 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 1: this thing ain't that time, This thing ain't slowing down 532 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: for anybody so that time. Yeah, and they drafted two 533 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: defensive ends. I mean they drafted Jokes and uh Joe 534 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,239 Speaker 1: Jackson and got one of free agency and got one 535 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: free agency who Hyder Hyder? Yeah? Everybody sleeps on right, 536 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: but howbody sleeps on Carrie Hyder? You know? And I 537 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: know he plays tackle? And I was just like, who 538 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: you refer? Hider wears fifty one, which is like the 539 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: least sexy d N number, even like Quinn wears fifty eight. 540 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 1: That even kind of looks cool because the eight is 541 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: like long, Yeah, that's true, Like fifty one. You're just like, 542 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: is he alive? Shouldn't you be over there? The tackling sled, 543 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: like what are you doing here? Yeah? But I think 544 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: he could be. He's somebody to watch if he gets 545 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 1: to that hot boy status he'll get in the ninth Ye, 546 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:07,959 Speaker 1: speaking of numbers, Alfred Morris is wearing twenty three. Okay, Okay, 547 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess yeah, it just looks different. 548 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: I mean, forty six is a big bulky number for him. 549 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: I bet he looks slimmer. People are gonna, you know, 550 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: he looks slimmer only because he's not that he was like, 551 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: not that he's like fat or anything, but yeah, forty 552 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: six makes you look big. Yeah he'll be like, oh, 553 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: it's pretty good. I'd like to throw some a couple 554 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: names out on offense that I wanted to get your 555 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: opinions on. Reggie Davis yesterday was popped out at me. 556 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: He's a guy that can run and he had a 557 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,359 Speaker 1: really phenomenal catch down the side. I don't know if 558 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: you guys saw it running down field. Talk a little 559 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: about Reggie Davis, what you saw it during first of 560 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 1: all him coming to the team and what he brings 561 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: to the team, but what you saw during OTA's mini 562 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: camps and then what you're seeing out here from this 563 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: was that the one against Jordan, I don't I don't 564 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: know who you remember who the cornerback was, although Jordan did. 565 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 1: Jordan talked yesterday just about how much the insane amount 566 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: of speed that's this receiver corps because Guidon and John 567 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: Vay like that's why they're here. They run four to three. 568 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: Devin Smith was was a freakid Ohio State before all 569 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: the injuries. So there's a and Reggie Davis too. Um, 570 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: there's a lot of speed on this receiver. Corps and 571 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: actually what stood out it was a great catch. It 572 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: was a go route, he high pointed it, he needed 573 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: one hand to hold on to it while he got tackled. 574 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: But was more impressive than me was the one he made. 575 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: H He ran a skinny post and it wasn't a 576 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: spectacular catch. But the reason why it stood out was 577 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: because it was with the first team, which I don't 578 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: know if that was an in practice decision or well, 579 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: but I was like, Okay, Reggie Davis is getting some 580 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: run with the ones and he looked good doing it. Um, 581 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 1: he's he does not look like. He does not have 582 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: an NFL build. He's skinny, he's five probably five ten, 583 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: five eleven maybe, but he can run. And to answer 584 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: your question, what he did during OTAs that like once 585 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: a day you're like, holy crap, well who caught the 586 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: Oh Reggie Davis with the nice catch. So yeah, it's 587 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: something to watch. I've said this statement for fifteen years, 588 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: but it's true, and it's really true this year. These 589 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: guys are here because they can run and they can catch, 590 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: and they're gonna turn some heads and talk get talked 591 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: about because they what they they can catch. The guy 592 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: that's gonna take that leap is the one that makes 593 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: the best tackle, And that's that's always what happens with 594 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: those receivers. The guy that comes out in that first 595 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: game and goes down and blows somebody up at the 596 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: punt return, it could be guiding and you're like, you 597 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: know what, he could play special teams. That's what happened 598 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: to Sam heard. That's what those guys can do. And 599 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: they're gonna Now unless you're Reggie Davis that continues to 600 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 1: make these plays with the first team, Now you jump 601 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: into this category like I can help as a receiver. 602 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: But if they're gonna try to figure out the best 603 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: guys in this group down here, the special team's contributor 604 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: is going to rise to the front. Pretty fun moment 605 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: to speaking of just high end speed. John Vay Johnson 606 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: had a long touchdown and like it wasn't even hard. 607 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: That's how many yards behind Chris Wester he was. I 608 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: mean it was he burned him and Chris Richard. After 609 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: it was over, like he pointed at Westrey and pointed 610 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: at the sideline. He was like, ah, like that's no sir. Yeah, 611 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to watch a reppertwo after that one. 612 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: So these guys have some speed. That's that guys, It's 613 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: gonna be an uphill battle for him. How does that 614 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: affect a guy like Tavon Austin who his calling card 615 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: to speed. But you look at the Avon had a 616 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: long catch yesterday too. I know that. But my point 617 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: is why you last year, the reason why I thought 618 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 1: Tavon was important to this team is because he added 619 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: an element of speed that maybe they didn't have from 620 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: a lot of guys. You're talking about the fact that 621 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: there's a ton of guys right now that are young 622 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: that also have that kind of speed. Does how does 623 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: that affect Tavon now not being the only guy with 624 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: that kind of blazing blaze had a punt return as well, 625 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 1: And I think if you continues to run the way 626 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: he did on that one punt return, I mean there's 627 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: there's different kinds of speed. We've seen guys that are 628 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: clocked that could run a Randall Williams or somebody like that. 629 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: But but Terry Glenn it had an aggressive speed speed 630 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: on the field and and Tavon has that kind of speed. 631 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: So all these other guys, Devin Smith and John Vay, Yeah, 632 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: that They've proven they can run well, but can they 633 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: run well in the middle of crowd and do those 634 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: kind of things that Tavon has proven to do in 635 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: his career he needs to do on a consistent basis 636 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: for this team though. Yeah, well really, to elaborate, I 637 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: was talking about the motions and all that stuff. We 638 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,959 Speaker 1: saw Cedric Wilson, we saw John Vay, Tavon did some 639 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: things like there are a lot of guys with speed 640 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: and so, you know, even we joked yesterday like Jordan 641 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: Lewis had to do a lot of that stuff when 642 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: Tavon got hurt last year, Like, I don't think that's 643 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: the case, and hopefully calam Moore will be more willing 644 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: to use guys like that. So it's you know, I 645 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: think Tavon probably makes this team, but you can't say 646 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,239 Speaker 1: that with any certainty because I do think there are 647 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: a few guys on this team that can kind of 648 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: replicate what he does. It's just amazing to me, as 649 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: we talk about all these different positions each day, just 650 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: how much depth the Cowboys have this year that that 651 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: just didn't seem to be there in this amount last year. 652 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: And again this is all very early on. We will 653 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: find out a lot more. We got to see that, 654 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: like I've made that mistake before where I'm like, there's 655 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: so many great guys out here when they're practicing against 656 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: each other. You got to see that translate to preseason 657 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: games too. But even just looking at and the reason 658 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,479 Speaker 1: why I said it like I said it is because 659 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: you know, we've seen teams where you'll have these you 660 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: may have one guy like a Amari Cooper and then 661 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: all the rest of the guys are the guys like 662 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: Guy eating in that you're trying to see something from 663 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: Like you've got three guys you already know day one 664 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 1: are playing and they're gonna play well, right, and then 665 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: you get to these guys it's like Scott has a 666 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: little talent, Scot has some speed. It's just we talked 667 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: about the offensive line. It's the same thing. You already 668 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: have your starters, but then you get beyond that and 669 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, these other guys can actually play. 670 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: I just think right now, you look the depth overall, 671 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: Cowboys are looking really really good from a depth standpoint, 672 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: where I don't think they've always looked that way over 673 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: the last several years, even when they've had pretty talented teams. 674 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: Looks like our final break. When we come back, we're 675 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: gonna get into the tight end position a little bit. 676 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: That might be an area that's a little different. 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Find Stetson 724 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,320 Speaker 1: Hats in the Pro Shop or at Stetson dot Com. 725 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: Today Back to the break Welcome back the final segment 726 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,240 Speaker 1: of the break Lick of Hot Star California. The players 727 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,840 Speaker 1: are starting to take the field out here for the 728 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: morning practice. It is the only practice of the day. 729 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: They'll have a walk through this afternoon and tomorrow will 730 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: be a day off for them so they can kind 731 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: of get their legs back under them after a couple 732 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: of days and pass Sizzler day? Is that what it is? 733 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 1: First off day off training camp? All right, you're welcome 734 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: to come. Thank you. I never get the invite. That's awesome. 735 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: The boss never gets the invite, no problem, so I 736 00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: appreciate that. All right, let's talk about the tight end position. Yeah, 737 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: you wouldn't like it anyway. Really, Okay, let's talk about 738 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: the tight end position. I guess let's start. I want 739 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: to start by giving you, you guys, an opportunity just 740 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: to give me kind of your general observations of the 741 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: tight end position, because it is, as as I mentioned 742 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: a little earlier, there are a lot of positions where 743 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 1: you look at the depth and you're like, man, they 744 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 1: got a lot of talent here. I think the tight 745 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: end position is one of the positions where they're probably 746 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 1: just as many questions as answers. So just give me 747 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: your overall view of kind of where the cowboys sit 748 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 1: here heading into training camp at the tight end position. Nicholas, 749 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: start with you. They have a Hall of Fame tight 750 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: end that they need to figure out if he's still 751 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer, and if he's not, then it 752 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: is Blake Jarr woodn't better, is it Jason Witten the 753 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 1: same guy that he used to be? And if not, 754 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: how is he is? He's still better than jar went 755 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: to get off the field at times. I mean, that's 756 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 1: really what it comes down to, is that can they 757 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,760 Speaker 1: both play? Because before it was just one guy playing? 758 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 1: Now is it to the point where they both need 759 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: to kind of be out there? But everybody has something 760 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: to prove? Everybody in that group. Charltz, can you can 761 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: you be a factor? Rico? Can you do stuff? I mean, 762 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: can you be a blocker? Now? Rico? Are you better 763 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: than Witten? Whitten? Do you still have it? They all 764 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: have questions. I think he still does. Yeah, I think 765 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,279 Speaker 1: he still has it. I feel that right now. And 766 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: I was hesitant of him coming back. I was like, Okay, 767 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: how is it gonna come down to? You know, he 768 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: when he was here, to me, he seemed like his 769 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: game was getting slower. He just seemed a little slower 770 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 1: and not as fast. Not that he was ever super fast, 771 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, Now what I've seen 772 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 1: from him, to me, he looks better than what he 773 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,919 Speaker 1: looked like two years ago. Really, I feel like when 774 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: he moves around again, we haven't seen a whole ton yet, 775 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: but he moving around the field and running around catching 776 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: the ball. I feel that his mobility, he just looks 777 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: better than two years ago. He's got more pepp and 778 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: his step, to be sure, And that makes sense when 779 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: you think about it. I mean, he took a year 780 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: off from getting in that stance sixty times a day 781 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: and getting beat to hell every Sunday and all that 782 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 1: stuffs and guys leaning on it. Yeah, and if I 783 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: had to guess, he probably still took really good care 784 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: of himself even when he was a broadcast. You know, 785 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's on Tom Brady's level, but 786 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 1: he definitely you know, I think somebody did a behind 787 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 1: the scenes thing on kind of his routine, like you know, 788 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: hours of stretching and a massage every day. And you know, 789 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: it's not just like hashtag blessed, Like you got to 790 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 1: put hours in into it to still function that well 791 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: at that age after this many years of taking that 792 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 1: kind of beating, and I think a year off might 793 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: have been good for his overall legs. It'll be interesting 794 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 1: to see how that holds up. You know, I just 795 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: look at it and I just you know, no offense 796 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: to Wit. It's like a holding pattern. You know, Jason 797 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,360 Speaker 1: garrettson a contractor year, Jason Witten wanted to come back. 798 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 1: I think they worked well for each other, like, hey, 799 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: you can help me, I can help you. Let's go 800 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:58,479 Speaker 1: try to accomplish this thing together and we'll worry about 801 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: the future of the position later. I didn't. I did 802 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: not know Blake Jarwin had the athleticism to jump over 803 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: an entire jugs machine that was on top of a 804 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: golf cart by the way. They just kind of popped 805 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 1: up for him because he was running full speed, caught 806 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,400 Speaker 1: a pass and then looked up and there's a jug machine. 807 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: He's got to so negotiate that. You know, you don't 808 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,640 Speaker 1: unless it's like Jimmy Graham, who we all know used 809 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: to play basketball, Like, you don't think of tight ends 810 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: as being like super freak guys like that. But that 811 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: was impressive. So I'm interested to see where Jarwin is. 812 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 1: Maybe he really can push for playing time, like significant 813 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: playing time. I'm not I'm not ready to say that yet, 814 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,760 Speaker 1: just because I know who Witten is and what he's about. 815 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: So I'm I'm still kind of waiting to see, do 816 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: you guys think there's a chance that he could possibly. 817 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: I don't think he'll be the starter because I think 818 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 1: that they value making the veteran, the guy that runs 819 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 1: out of the tunnel as the starter. But do you 820 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: think there's an opportunity for Blake Jarwin here being the 821 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:54,839 Speaker 1: more athletic of the two. And I don't think I'm 822 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,000 Speaker 1: speaking out of turn by saying that for him to 823 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 1: be the primary tight end at some point throughout the season. 824 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: I don't think he'll ever be like the primary primary 825 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: tight end. But even just in the four days we've 826 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 1: been here, we know this team's not afraid to use 827 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 1: twelve personnel. Hopefully they're afraid to use thirteen personnel, but 828 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: maybe not why because it never works. It never works. 829 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,960 Speaker 1: Maybe it'll work now that they have another tight end 830 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 1: who can do it. But like every time they do 831 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: thirteen personnel, it's like, Okay, this is gonna be a 832 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,360 Speaker 1: run for like a yard every time, every single time. Anyway, 833 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,400 Speaker 1: every time they call twelve, it's always Blake Like. It 834 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: certainly seems so far that there is a clear two, 835 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: and then Schultz and Rico are significantly behind Whitten and Jarwin. 836 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: So I think maybe he can get significant snaps in 837 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 1: multiple tight end sets and stuff like that and have 838 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: a real role. But I'd be surprised if he's ever 839 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: the guy in every formation. What I think you might 840 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,759 Speaker 1: see is when they get down by the goal line, 841 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: I think he might be a better option because of 842 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,279 Speaker 1: his athleticism. He might be a better option down there 843 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: because Witt is a better blocker. I don't know that yet. 844 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 1: I know he's been a pretty good blocker, but you know, Jarwin, 845 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,279 Speaker 1: that's an area that all young tight ends have to 846 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 1: get better at it. So it might be a situation 847 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,759 Speaker 1: where Witten plays more and he has one touchdown and 848 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,879 Speaker 1: w and Jarwin has four for five because he's getting 849 00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: a little bit more opportunities down there. He's maybe more 850 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 1: of a jump and ball type of guy than, you know, 851 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: than Witten. What do you think that Schultz had to 852 00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: get better coming out of his rookie year? What do 853 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: you think there was the area he had to get 854 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: he had improven most in order to be a viable 855 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 1: tight end for the team? Drink strength, Yeah, bulk and strength. 856 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 1: Do you see any of that? I haven't seen enough. 857 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,720 Speaker 1: I mean one padded practice and I honestly don't remember 858 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,720 Speaker 1: even watching him yesterday, and I was talking more about 859 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 1: just his physical appearance because I know for Connor, we 860 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 1: saw him the first time we saw him coming out 861 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 1: of the offseason program. We were like, oh wow, he's 862 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 1: put on weight, he's bulked up. He looks the part. 863 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 1: At this point, I'll get back to you. I'll you 864 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: know that's on my brain. Now I'll take a look 865 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,319 Speaker 1: at him. Well. Aside from physical stuff, I think he 866 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: still needs to get better his reaction and his instincts, 867 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,359 Speaker 1: just reacting a lot faster than what he does right now. 868 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: And we'll see second year coming in. But last year 869 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: I didn't feel that he had that quiet Yeah, and 870 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 1: that's okay. He was a rookie, but it takes time 871 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 1: to learn how to react and how to move at 872 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: a certain time. What do you guys, do you guys 873 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,919 Speaker 1: think the Cowboys will get anything out of the Rico 874 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,400 Speaker 1: experien experiment at this point, Well, based on where we are, 875 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 1: on what you've seen at this point. First day of 876 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 1: first day of pads, he dropped a slant that got intercepted. So, um, 877 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: that's not a great start, you know, same thing as Taco. 878 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 1: It's early, But no, I I'm surprised. It's still ongoing, 879 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,799 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, and I think I've said 880 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,680 Speaker 1: I think this is the year it ends for two years, 881 00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: but I do think this is the year that it ends. 882 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,839 Speaker 1: So let's assume for a second that that Rico does 883 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,799 Speaker 1: not make this team. Do you think that Cowboys, knowing 884 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 1: how much they like to use twelve thirteen personnel, that 885 00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: they'll have to go to the well and maybe bring 886 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,320 Speaker 1: in a fourth tight end or do you think that 887 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,320 Speaker 1: that person's already on the team. It's a unique situation. 888 00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 1: I think what happens in this case is I think Winten, Jarwin, 889 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: and Schultz make the team to start the year and 890 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 1: Rico goes to spended list for one game. Oh, I 891 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: forgot about that. But then in week two then they 892 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,359 Speaker 1: have a decision to make and knock on wood. But 893 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 1: I mean, somebody gets banged up in week one, you know, 894 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,239 Speaker 1: like let's say a couple two or three weeks. You 895 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 1: know that Rico's a guy, Well he comes right in, 896 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,759 Speaker 1: and then if not, if you decide, well we don't 897 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,399 Speaker 1: have space for him, let's cut him. You know, it's 898 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 1: it's at that point in the season where maybe other 899 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: teams aren't going to say, well, let's let's take a 900 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 1: shot on this guy. You know, maybe they will, maybe 901 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: they don't. Maybe he's back on the practice squad. If 902 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 1: he's got eligibility for it, I'm not even sure. But 903 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 1: if everyone's healthy, okay, yeah, are you wanting to keep 904 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: four tight ends on the roster? It's all about him 905 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 1: to me, it's all about Rico. Is Rico doing anything 906 00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: that makes you think I just not ready to let go? 907 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 1: It's not a not a fourth tight end, it's a 908 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,520 Speaker 1: is it nine lineman? Is it six linebackers, it's whatever. 909 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,839 Speaker 1: You know, he's another quarterback you know, I don't know. 910 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,880 Speaker 1: And that's what's happened before. He's he'sn't been on this 911 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 1: team because of other positions. But he's one practice he's 912 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 1: not you know, to answer me to answer your question, well, 913 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,799 Speaker 1: he did too. But I do I want four tight ends? 914 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 1: Not really, but I think they probably do. That's and 915 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 1: I always frame my answers in regard to that, knowing 916 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 1: how much they like their team personnel. If you were 917 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,719 Speaker 1: mentioned before, you don't necessarily, but they love it seem 918 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,319 Speaker 1: like to do mooring stuff, So that's part of it. 919 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,319 Speaker 1: I don't know, and you think if they if they're 920 00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 1: going to do that, they may one a half four 921 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,719 Speaker 1: tight ends. But if you know, Will McClay said it 922 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,880 Speaker 1: about Taco Charlton, the first round pick. He said, you know, 923 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,000 Speaker 1: the train will be leaving and you're you know, if 924 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 1: you better be on it. If that's the case with 925 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,920 Speaker 1: Taco Charlton, that's got to be the case with Rico 926 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: gets right. All right, guys, we appreciate you joining us. 927 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,560 Speaker 1: Practice will be starting hearing about a couple of minutes here. 928 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,960 Speaker 1: They got everybody a symbol, player are on the field. 929 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 1: We got fans out here. If you're in the area, 930 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:05,800 Speaker 1: make sure you come check it out as an opportunity 931 00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,480 Speaker 1: to be able to see the Cowboys up close and personal. 932 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,279 Speaker 1: Till tomorrow for Nick Even, Dave Hillman, Amber Garcia. I 933 00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,399 Speaker 1: am Derek Eagleton. This has been The Break live on 934 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:18,120 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. This has been a production 935 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,959 Speaker 1: of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.