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Speaker 1: showtime dot com. Man, welcome back to a special edition. Man,

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Speaker 1: I never I never interrupt your introduction, but let me

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Speaker 1: do it. You got it. You gotta Jack my guy

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Speaker 1: a mentor to me. Somebody I'll look up to. Somebody's

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Speaker 1: Uncle Shannon Sharp Man Man thanks for having me on

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Speaker 1: and has a boisterized like Jack. We just had a

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Speaker 1: little we just had a little pre shooting discussion. So

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Speaker 1: he asked for some low like people see everything on

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Speaker 1: the internet. Asked me for some hand us some jerks.

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Speaker 1: He said, Mat, you got this bullshit? I mean, I

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Speaker 1: mean it fit's my complexion that he needs something a

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Speaker 1: to me some criscos find somewhere in the middle. But Man,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being here. Man. We appreciate who's he is.

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Speaker 1: It is. It is Shannon Sharp, the Fox Sports analyst. Here,

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Speaker 1: uncle here. It all depends. I just hope at the

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Speaker 1: but listen to keep Let's get into it. So we

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Speaker 1: were talking to before. I mean, you were a Hall

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Speaker 1: So now you're a lot of people don't know how

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Speaker 1: you're doing on undispute it to talk about that a

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Speaker 1: little bit. It is because I meet people a lot

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Speaker 1: me because I've been retired sixteen years now, and so

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Speaker 1: I like my privacy. I've never been a guy that

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Speaker 1: My grandmother said no, she said I can't pay the

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Speaker 1: did something they weren't supposed to be doing. So my

427
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: aunts learned early on we could bribe Shanna get him.

428
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 1: My sister didn't learn that, so when she wouldn't give

429
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: me what I want, I would tell to tell my grandmother.

430
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,159
Speaker 1: Livy came and chick, that's oute of school today. We

431
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: used the stage bro, so she got the whole day.

432
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,679
Speaker 1: So I would tell I would I would listening to

433
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 1: the door. I hear my aunts because at the time

434
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,440
Speaker 1: it was like ten of us in a thousand square

435
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,439
Speaker 1: foot so I had, you know, for my four aunts,

436
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: my sister, my brother, not my grand my brother, myself,

437
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 1: my grandparents. So I'll beat to the door to listen

438
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 1: to be talking about boys. Mm hm oh, somebody gonna

439
00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: try to sneak out, Okay, so I go. Nobody, put

440
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: your hand down. Let me tell you if y'all don't

441
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 1: like us, now you talk about real. Matter of fact,

442
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 1: my grandfather don't bulled joy. He wasn't all about that. Um.

443
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: I was about five and we're on the front porch

444
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:21,959
Speaker 1: and my grandfather cause the front portraits like right here,

445
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: and my grandfather bed and the bedrooms right there, and

446
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 1: his brother thump me. Now, my grand there there are

447
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 1: certain things you don't know about that. There are certain

448
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: things my grandfather didn't like. My grandfather didn't like for

449
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: you to thump somebody on the head and said that

450
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 1: you make them thick head and they wouldn't learn. So

451
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 1: he kept yeah, that's my grand They believe that, you know,

452
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: old people believe that he throwed me again. And I oh, stop,

453
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: I said, stop, Uncle Oliver. He thought me again. I

454
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 1: heard my grandfather get about the bed. My grandfather came

455
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 1: out there and looked tan as I. He said, if

456
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 1: you thought that, boy, at one more time, I'll blow

457
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: your brains out. My grandfather my uncle got in the

458
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 1: car and never came back. When my grandfather died, he

459
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't even go into church. Wow, my grandfather was a

460
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: matter of fact. He didn't play. He didn't all that

461
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: joke in and Kiki kid. He wasn't about that. Um.

462
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: And I think that's where like you know, where you're

463
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: staying with me? You know, I wonder I wouldn't have

464
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 1: shadow like me. I wonder you know you you know,

465
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: for the most part, if you don't know. I'll tell you.

466
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: I don't fool with you. Like when I first met

467
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: stats Well and him talking not so much on came

468
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 1: off camera. I can rock with him, I said, because

469
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 1: he really like me. Ain't all about that Kiki kid

470
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: all about that? Then for the camera to being bro,

471
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: if I don't mess with you, I don't mess with you.

472
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: I won't put on a great show for the camera.

473
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: But wants the camera click on his phone, Yeah, on

474
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: my phone. If I with you, I'm gonna carry on

475
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 1: the conversation. I'm gonna be in a agent. But if

476
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. So that's that's kind of how

477
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: we grew That's kind of how we grew up. Is

478
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: that just be honest with someone. Um. And then my grandmother,

479
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: like I said, raising to do what she did, to

480
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: take raise her nine and then take my mom's three

481
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 1: and to get us out. And because the greatest compliment

482
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: that my grandmother it wasn't that she had two boys,

483
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 1: two grand boys that played in the NFL. The greatest

484
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: compliment my grandmother got received is that Mary, you did

485
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: an unbelievable job with those boys. That was her greatest

486
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: That was her crowning achievement, not getting to the NFL,

487
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 1: but the way how amiable work. Yes, sir, no, sir, yes, ma'am, No,

488
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: ma'am sure, Mary, I saw them boys and it's still yes, ma'am. No, ma'am.

489
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: Here were you know? And it's funny is that when

490
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: when people, when old, people get things in their head,

491
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: they can't let it go. My brother and I we're

492
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: in the NFL and we're at the height, we're making millions.

493
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: We were getting my grandmother money and she would still

494
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: having us used to go buy stuff on credit. Mm hmm.

495
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, granted, why, but that's how she was conditioned.

496
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: She never had enough money to go to pay for

497
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: everything in full, so she got used to even that. Granted,

498
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: you got a thousand dollars and you put fifty dollars

499
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: on credit. Why, But that's what she knew. That's all

500
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: she knew. And so for me to go home and

501
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: I'll be leading, you know, I would like, I was like,

502
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: I would always tell her couple after I got old enough,

503
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: I would get a hotel room. She's like, because I

504
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 1: stayed to my groom even I was in the NFL.

505
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 1: I had kids, I had a ferrari had a Mercedes,

506
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: I had everything. Part I was remember laying there, I was,

507
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: I was live in the bed one night, I was

508
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: just laying them like, man, I got kids, I got

509
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: a Ferrari, I got a Mercedes. And I was staying

510
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: in the room and I ground my house. I don't

511
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,639
Speaker 1: make no sense. Your mass up out of here and

512
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:52,239
Speaker 1: go get me a house. I called me and said, man,

513
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 1: look here, I'm moving to Atlanta. I said, you need

514
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: to have a real estate agent to meet me up there.

515
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: Uh so I can find me a place. But just

516
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: to go home. I mean. I would remember I would

517
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: come home and she'd be laying in the room. I

518
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't tell I'll tell live, don't tell grand I'm coming home,

519
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: because if something came up, she would get really worried

520
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: if I wasn't able to make us. I don't tell

521
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: Grant I'm coming and I come in, old man, she

522
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 1: would get It was just such a great it was.

523
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: It was. It was. It was a wonderful relationship because

524
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: iould just go back and I laying the room and

525
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: laying the bed with her, like get your big old

526
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: self out of my bed, you gonna break my bed down.

527
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: And I pretear like, yeah, I'm gonna break it down,

528
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: but you're gonna buy a new one. But we just

529
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 1: had an unbelievable relationship. And I tell people this. When

530
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: she died, a part of me died too, because I'm

531
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 1: I'm I was, I'm never I was never the same

532
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 1: after that. You know, it's funny to say that because

533
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: I was grandmother baby too, and I didn't know we

534
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: had so much in comment. So my grandmother had nine

535
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: kids and she took my mama three, me and my

536
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: two sisters and raised That's the same way. And my

537
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: only goal and only on the two houses I've ever

538
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: built was from one from my grandmother and one from

539
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: my mama. So I noticed feeling feeling. There's nothing like

540
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: people like, do you feel you know a lot? I've

541
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 1: got na Do you feel your mom, you know, neglected

542
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: you and you said the best things you ever did.

543
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: You gotta make a decision. You're living on the South

544
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: Show of Chicago with two boys. Do you think they

545
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: have a better chance being with your grandparents and rule

546
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: South Georgia or with you having to work every day

547
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: and they're gonna have to be home alone. What do

548
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: you think? You gotta make a decision something. Sometimes the

549
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: best decision does not involve you, and it takes a

550
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: real it takes a real person to understand that that

551
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: was the best. The best decision that my mom possibly

552
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: could have made was to send us to rule South Georgia.

553
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: She knew he was gonna get you know, we're gonna

554
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: be eating no steak or anything like that. We're gonna

555
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: be eating a lot of you know, a lot of

556
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: possum and a lot of rad coup. But that's over.

557
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,959
Speaker 1: That's a cool suit. Yeah, you have to make that thing.

558
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: You have to get you know something. You get your baker,

559
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: you know, and cut him up. Get you some Bill Pepper,

560
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: some onions. You know. You make that thing. Not the

561
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: right put him in the oven. About the hoy would

562
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: half two hours? She supposed to make it fall off

563
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: the bone right now? Tastes like she got one of

564
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: the freezer. Right now. It's game. It's like, yeah, yeah,

565
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: it's game. But you grow up and you don't you know,

566
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: you eat that, You eat uh turtle and you eat

567
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: turtle legs. I mean, yeah, roll kill man. If we

568
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: hear a raccoon or squirrel or a rabbit or something home,

569
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: Oh you think you're gonna die in the ditching. The

570
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: clean him up. My grandma ain't a boy. Y'all need

571
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: to go out there and get a messal squirrel. You

572
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: know that's what they talked. It wasn't a mess. Oh,

573
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: we called him mess of fish today. Boy, you know,

574
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: y'all need to go out that. My brother go get

575
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: that get that gun. And you know, if you're from

576
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: the South, you hand a gun. It was never it

577
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: was nothing. You know. It never dawned on me that

578
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: you weren't spoke to leave a loaded gun around until

579
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: I got grown in like you know, that was a

580
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: no note. Every gun in my grandfather's house was loaded.

581
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: It never man, do you imagine if you grab that gun.

582
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: I wish you would. I wish It never dawned on

583
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: me that guns weren't supposed to be loaded around kids.

584
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: All the guns were loaded, and we knew what every

585
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: last one of them was, but it never donned on

586
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: us to go touch it. It never done. When my

587
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: grandfather passed away, my brother would go hunting and shoot raccoon, shoes, squirrels. Man,

588
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: that was some of the best eat my grandma father

589
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: things up mother frown man, that was some good old band.

590
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: That was some good old speaking of speaking of your brother,

591
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: though I know I know how much you mean to you,

592
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: Like what did what did you feel in the pressure,

593
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: Like your brother was one of the best to ever

594
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: do it. Did you feel any pressure in his shoes?

595
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: I welcomed it. Every every everybody. Everybody can't handle that.

596
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: Now now I have a son. He wanted no parts

597
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: of that. He didn't want to comparison because he tried

598
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: to play football and your dad with a call that

599
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: or you're not he don't want he didn't want that. See,

600
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: I didn't live in my brother's shadow. I embraced it

601
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: because I thought, like you said, he was like a father.

602
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: It never dined on me because he was three years

603
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: older than but I could not run him, or I couldn't.

604
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: I couldn't beat him in basketball one on one. Yeah, yeah,

605
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: that was there. But I also knew, Okay, I'm playing

606
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: against somebody much older than me. The kids my age

607
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: and a couple of years older, they stood no chance.

608
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: There's no chance of beating me at anything. And so

609
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,239
Speaker 1: for me, like I tell people, I didn't live in him,

610
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,479
Speaker 1: my brother's shadow. I embraced it, and so everything he

611
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: was the target because okay, you did that, Okay I'm

612
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: gonna do I'm gonna do more. You did this, I'm

613
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: gonna do better. And that was the whole thing. Even

614
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: when I got to the NFL. Now, he was a

615
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: much better player football, And I tell and people don't

616
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: believe this. Football was my worst sport in high school.

617
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: I was a much better in basketball and track, been football.

618
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: But I only played football because my brother played so

619
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: and I wanted to be like him. I had. I

620
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: was like that stack here we go. I was the

621
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: other way. I was better at football than basketball and

622
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: basketball for launch and said, he was nice and nice,

623
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: Duncan you know what was your compare your games? Compare

624
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: your high school game to someone in the NBA right now, No,

625
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: don't don't do that. I was doing. Yeah I was.

626
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: You know, look, I'm from a class A school, a

627
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: small school, um, and so you didn't have positions back then.

628
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: Whatever you I could jump the highs, so I jumped him. Yeah,

629
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: you know, six ft tall, six one hey country strong.

630
00:32:54,960 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: I was. I was always always still goddamnit, I've always

631
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: I've always had had this body. Now I feeled it out,

632
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 1: but I've always was lean, and was chiseled and man,

633
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: so I'll get that. Get them board. A thirty one

634
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: nine team was nothing. Twenty seven twenty seven games stack

635
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: was nothing. We need to see the archives for telling

636
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: about the drunk contest dunk. Before I tell you this,

637
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: you know who beat me out? Was it my senior

638
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan's No, no, no, no, I think it's my

639
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: senior might have been my junior year for beat me

640
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: out for player of the Area, player of the year.

641
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: You never guess who beat me out? Yeah, he looked

642
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: up and got it. He looked him and got you nic.

643
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: It was nice. But we're on the team together. Yeah, yeah,

644
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: who's the late score? No, he was. I went on

645
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: his team. He went to He went to a big

646
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: but the mare fact that I went to a class say,

647
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: and he went to quality which was the biggest classification

648
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: at the time, and were on the same thing. Yeah, Hey,

649
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: I'd have been more like Oak with a better all

650
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: around game. Bruce people up. He wouldn't get see I'm

651
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: gonna let that thing fly. I ever thirty my senior year.

652
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: Before the three point there was no three puarterback then

653
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: feedted two in three quarters like and nothing that before

654
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: the three they handled three when I played those stacks,

655
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I got third in the hard way.

656
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: Can you imagine. But then you know, I was like,

657
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to I wanted to be big, big,

658
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: you know, start like that basketball and my brothers all

659
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: the time. When I got to college, I started lifting,

660
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 1: started getting three good meals. You know they feed good

661
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: at college. I started lifting, running track, and I know

662
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: once I got to college, all at the football, just

663
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 1: all I did with football and do my school work.

664
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: Because see when I got to Savanto State, I was

665
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 1: prop forty eight, So I was in all me your classes,

666
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: all remedial classes. And there are a lot of other

667
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 1: guys that as Avantle State that like the spaceship football players,

668
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: but they didn't want to go to class because they

669
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: were embarrassed. Embarrassed because get some of the finest girls

670
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:19,959
Speaker 1: that the school was running. But I had had Dr

671
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: Jorge mc lamore. She was my reading teacher. I was

672
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: reading in class one day. Next day I read. She

673
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,359
Speaker 1: gave us some assignment. I turned in first, and turning

674
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: in she came to me. She always called me to

675
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,479
Speaker 1: this day. She called me Mr Sharp. She said, Mr sharp,

676
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: I don't want to see you here. The next quarter,

677
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: she said, you got no business in this class. She said,

678
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: you're way too smart to be in this class. Man,

679
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: I got a bottom thing. I got all the remedial

680
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 1: classes because I was in all of them, got all

681
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: out of all of them in two quarters, and started

682
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: and graduated in four and a half years. Look, I'm

683
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: getting up bout it. I was in the front of

684
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: the class, answered all the questions. I was doing my

685
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: girlfriend home work while y'are bumping. I did her work. Yeah, yeah,

686
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: real quick. Though, before we leave the situation with your brother,

687
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: what was your thoughts seeing him his trajectory to me,

688
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: I'm a football head, so he was on the way

689
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame. There's no question to sustain

690
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: a career ending neck injury. What was the thoughts on that,

691
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: saying that's your big bro, your hero, your dad in

692
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: some sorts. Man. That broke me. Man, I remember getting

693
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 1: the call and I was talking to him. He said, yeah,

694
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: because I saw the week before they played the Falcons

695
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: and he had you know, he had a little he

696
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:38,959
Speaker 1: had a little injury and he seemed like he would

697
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: like struggling to get up. But he ends up getting

698
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: up and walks off the field. He didn't come back

699
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: in the game. But I figured everything was gonna be okay.

700
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: You had a stinger. And then the next week he played,

701
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 1: he played Tampa. He has seven for like a buck

702
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: thirty buck forty two touchdown. Yeah, and so I remember saying,

703
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: you know, and he barely he barely mean the I

704
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: grazed him with his forearm across the front of his helmet,

705
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: and he said he couldn't get over. He said he

706
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 1: was trying to get up, but he couldn't. He said,

707
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: he tried to roll himself over and he couldn't. And

708
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm like that little hit, he said. But they sent

709
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: me to the doctor for some tests. Man. He called me.

710
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 1: That was I was talking to him that Sunday night.

711
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: He called me that Tuesday night. He said, man, I'm

712
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:31,399
Speaker 1: never playing again. I said what he said, No, he said,

713
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: the doctor told me said I got very lucky. He said,

714
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: another hit, I could probably be paralyzed. Man, I cried, Man,

715
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: you thought somebody died. Because everything that he was I

716
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: wanted to be. What did he get? Seven eight years

717
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: and seven He got seven years and years seven years

718
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: to one case season when that was unheard. He was

719
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: three time first team All Pro, led the league and

720
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 1: receive and had the Triple Crown. He was a monster

721
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: and man that and not hurt me. Man, that hurt

722
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 1: me so bad. That's still because I always think whatever

723
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: right would have been one of the greatest because he he,

724
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 1: he and Jerry were right there were they were nicking

725
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: neck and it just it was tough. It was tough.

726
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: I still think about what and I still to this

727
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: day I would. I would greg gladly giving him my career,

728
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: say no, now, hey God, hey giving me healthy, Nick,

729
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: let me take this. Man. It's just because because every

730
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: everything that I was able to accomplish, there's no way

731
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: I'm accomplishing this without him. Everything the way the way

732
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: he pushed me. He could I could hear his voice.

733
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: We're playing in a basketball game to Jim crowded. I

734
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: can hear his boys do it like this, Hey, Doc,

735
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: stop playing with him, take it. I can just hear

736
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: his boys. We track, we go to the state track meet,

737
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: and I can just hear and says, Okay, this is

738
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: what we need to do. He said, get your warm up,

739
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: get good and warm because I didn't jump a whole

740
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: lot I jump one time. He was over me one time.

741
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: See I go and put it out there like for

742
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: their feet and I'm done. Yeah, I gotta say, but

743
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: I gotta run later, so I ain't got to put

744
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: all them jumps on my legs. So it was just

745
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 1: mat that hurt man. I still because, like I said,

746
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: knowing how hard he worked. See, the difference was I

747
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: wasn't always the hard worker that I became back. I

748
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: was just naturally God gave me more, God giving ability

749
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: to him. So you showed me something, okay, anything, Okay,

750
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: I got it out. But he was working hard. He didn't.

751
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: He worked hard in school. He didn't didn't win in school,

752
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 1: and I'm like, later for school, I'm here to play sports.

753
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: It's cool. And I thought, you know, I thought football,

754
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: basketball and track. Okay, their school. He was the opposite.

755
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: He did good on his S A T s. He

756
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: got aids and bees. You know, I like, hey, they

757
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: passed people with season d's too, so hey, that mean

758
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna take no home. I took one book

759
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 1: home in four years of high school, and that's because

760
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: the teacher told me he was gonna check my locker,

761
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: and I read yeah, but man, man, but for when

762
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 1: when that happened, like I said, it was like, that's

763
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: still probably one of them. That's still one of the

764
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: two or three saddest days of my career when he

765
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: told me, say it's over for me. But so he's like,

766
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: he told me, it's on you now. And so we

767
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: get to the Super Bowl and nineties seven and we're

768
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: doing an interview with NBC and we're sitting down talking.

769
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I'm gonna give him the Super

770
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: Bowl ring and he looks at me. He liked, he

771
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: had no no, he had no idea that I was

772
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: gonna do that when we win the game, and he's

773
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's thinking, that's the most prized possession. That's

774
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 1: what you played for. That's why you lift all those

775
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: weights and all the dedication and all the reciters and

776
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: all the things that you missed, you miss for that

777
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: moment because that's the culmination, that's crescendo of your particular sport.

778
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: Super Bowl in football and you sport. You know, the

779
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: NBA Finals, you win that ring. But for me, that's

780
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: not possible without him. And so the only way I

781
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: could say, brother, thank you for everything that you've done.

782
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: Thank you for being in my corner, and thank you

783
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: for doing everything, for being the man because when Papa died,

784
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: there was no dominant male figure in the house and

785
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: you took that role and you made sure your baby

786
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: brother had everything. Thank you. That was like for me,

787
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: the journey was what I what I because I got

788
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,439
Speaker 1: to live that. I got the bus ride, I got

789
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: the plane rides and go into the stadium and being

790
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: in the arena. That's what it was for me. That's

791
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: what it's always been. That's why I don't win. That's

792
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: why I don't win the ring for me, the ring,

793
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: it symbolizes something different for everybody, but for me, I

794
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: wanted him to have that ring because it would mean

795
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: more to him than it ever would for me. So

796
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: to give him that ring and see the joy on

797
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: his face that he got that, because I believe there's

798
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: no question in my mind he would have gotten it

799
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: had he continued to play. But man, I wouldn't. But

800
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: all that, I think it took all that for the

801
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: way how we were brought up and my brother going

802
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: through that to get me here, to get to meet

803
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: to where I got to to where I am today. Yeah,

804
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: but you got two more chips after that, I did,

805
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: I did, and and all you know, people, which was

806
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 1: the more special? Look, they're all special for different reasons.

807
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: Everybody you gotta I don't care. If you've got ten kids,

808
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: you got a favorite, Yeah, you got a favorite. And

809
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: they spanled to know that, but they know I ain't

810
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: say it, but I gotta favor my grand mother. Like yeah,

811
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: sometimes I just I just find myself thinking, man, what

812
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: could have been? How how good? How good could you

813
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 1: have been? Thousand? Catch up with a foregone conclusion because

814
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: he had five sixty five and seven years, he was

815
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: twenty nine, forced to retire twenty nine called eighteen touchdowns

816
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 1: is last year over a thousand yards ninety four catches

817
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: and never played another down. Both of y'all still ended up. Well,

818
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: we're trying to get him in because man, he's a

819
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: Hall of famer. Ain't no trying. He's a Hall of famers.

820
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: But it's great. And then you know he watched He's like, okay, bro,

821
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: I watched the show today. Man, you you put in

822
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: that work so I can tell you did your homeworkers?

823
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: That that that the proud that's that's the pop stamping.

824
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 1: That's him man, I mean, like I said, that's the

825
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: type of relationship. Like I said that, we've never had

826
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: a brother. Now we fought what I was like early on,

827
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: we fought. I ain't looked at him like that. I

828
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: fight the breaks off. We didn't fight the brother. You

829
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: got to, Yeah, you got to. You make me mad.

830
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: I'm picking up whatever I can find. My ain't home.

831
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: So it's me and you tell and getting in the

832
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: middle of if you do beat me too bad, I'm telling.

833
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: I'm telling it always come back to that. I would

834
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: tell that. Uh. I remember we were playing played with

835
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: acts and I ended up setting a field on fire.

836
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 1: So he telled me to go home and tell Papa.

837
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: Somebody said the field on fire. I run home. Now,

838
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: mind you if dry it's gone the fire. But I'm

839
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: running fast. I could run through the I'm coming through

840
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: coming somebody said. Somebody said the field on fire. He said, ain't. Ain't.

841
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: Nobody'd been nothing it but you two fellas somebody one

842
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: of you ain't. But you too, feelas spaky did it

843
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: under I told to me like man, I was like,

844
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: what you want to be? Do you wanted to kill it?

845
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: I didn't, even though I did do it. You want

846
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: me to say that, though I couldn't do that, so

847
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: but that but that was that. That was I mean, man,

848
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: our relationship, man, it's just like and I think the

849
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: thing is that when he left, I was I was

850
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: gonna be a sophomore in high school. That was the

851
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: first time that he was gonna be away and he

852
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna be around. So who's gonna watch it with

853
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 1: my little brother? Who's gonna who's gonna watch him now?

854
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: Because I'm not around. But but at that time, you know, hey,

855
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: I didn't get it out. Yeah, I've earned my stripes

856
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: out for me and people like man, you said little,

857
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 1: I said, I've never ever started a fight. I don't

858
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: go for bad. I don't bother anybody. I don't bother nobody,

859
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: I said. I don't even know if I'm tough, I said,

860
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: but don't make me find out hot to fight. Yeah,

861
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: I said that, That's all. That's all I'm saying. I said,

862
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: I don't bother nobody. I don't get that. You know,

863
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: we talked barbershop but all that. But everybody's gonna keep

864
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: their hands to this sale and we're gonna disagree. We're

865
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: gonna agree to disagree, but there's gonna be no push.

866
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: It ain't gonna be no shilling, it ain't gonna be

867
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: none of that. Like y'all, but y'all different. I watch y'all,

868
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: some of them guys like Stacks, And I was talking

869
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: about this today, Matt when uh tray Young put the

870
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: ball through Trevor reads a leg and trip. We did

871
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: the same thing. But I'm saying, what if he did

872
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: if you put and he put your push you into

873
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: yet like that? It was a fight off top off,

874
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: top off top What I said, Oh dude, I don't care.

875
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: Like the one thing, let me tell you what our value.

876
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: I value this over trust, lord is respecting. Ain't buy

877
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: that because if I respect you, I can trust you

878
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: and you'll be loyal to me. But see, if you

879
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: don't respect me, you're gonna feel you can do it.

880
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: And never got kids, got kids kids like that, that's

881
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: not for perpetuity. Now he's gonna have kids and they're

882
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: gonna say, Daddy, you didn't like that. Yeah, And I

883
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: was trying to explain us, like, look, Trade was six

884
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 1: ft tall. Now, he'd been small basically his whole life.

885
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: So he's trying to he had to find a way

886
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: to navigate and get the ball to the basket. So

887
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: he did that, you're gonna shive him. Look, if you

888
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: play a sport, you're gonna get embarrassed. I don't care.

889
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: I don't care. If you're the best office of linement,

890
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: somebody gonna runn move on you and get the quarterback.

891
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: If you're in the wide, receive what. Trust me, I

892
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: don't got cracked the unt of the chin. It was

893
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: sprawled out. If you play hoop, you don't got dump.

894
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 1: Don't you got crossed over? You don't have something happened

895
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: trip over the three point line and falling stands, And

896
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: I got like, ain't nobody I say trait? See from that,

897
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: I get both get I get it, but I get

898
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: both sides. I'm not mad at Trade for trying it.

899
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at Tred for doing that, because there's

900
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: some people I'm not I'm not having that, you know

901
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 1: what I mean. And I'm not mad at him, like

902
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: he said, being little, being crafty. I love the fact

903
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: that he pushed the limits and could do stuff like that.

904
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: So it's whatever. But like I said, it's different if

905
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: after some people that's a fight off top and no question.

906
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: As soon as he did that, the ball up. So,

907
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,720
Speaker 1: seventh round pick out of Savannah to a Hall of Fame,

908
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: three times super Bowl champ. Talk to me about l Way, McCaffrey,

909
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: Rail David's talk me about those Super Bowl winning Bronco teams.

910
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: I remember going to when I got drafted, going to

911
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: the Broncos. I remember I was like, man, I was

912
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: thinking myself, said, man, John, they'll wait my quarterback. First thing,

913
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: my sister said, Shannon, don't go out there bull driving

914
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,439
Speaker 1: with no John Elway. You don't know that man like that.

915
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: What I do, that's just that's here. And for some reason, guys,

916
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: he took a liking to me. Maybe maybe because you know,

917
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: I joke and I kept the locker room. I mean,

918
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: I'm a seventh round draft pick. They gave me the

919
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: number one, So basically, I'm just a camp body. That's

920
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: what that's That's what I'm supposed to be. And I

921
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: just remember my brother saying, look, just know what you're

922
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: supposed to do when you get your opportunity. He said, Now,

923
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: john always gonna be looking for you because he knows

924
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: big bro. Yeah, he was like, Johnny, we're gonna be

925
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: looking for just be ready. So I'm trying to cramp,

926
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: and so they got me learned that I'm fulloed to

927
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: learn Z I'm supposed to learn to slot. I gotta

928
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: learn all these positions, and I'm struggling. And I remember

929
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: asking a guy. I said, at what I got on

930
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: this play? Right here? He said, run this, I run it.

931
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 1: It's the wrong route. Now, yes, yes, here, And I'm

932
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: fighting for the same job. So if I he could

933
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,720
Speaker 1: get me out of the way. But I swore to myself,

934
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: I said, I would never ever do that to somebody.

935
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: I said, if I'm secure in who I am and

936
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: what I am, I don't need to be little for

937
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: me to shine. And so I've always went out of

938
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: my way. But when I got to Denver, I was

939
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: seventh round draft pick. I was a tight end, and

940
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: it just so happens every tight end on the roster

941
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: got hurt. Now I'm the biggest receiver, so I go in.

942
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: I'm like one. So by the time they moved me

943
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: to the tight end halfway through the season, I'm two

944
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: oh five, So I don't playing tight end at two

945
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 1: oh five. Man, they ragged all of me. They're throwing

946
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 1: me all around in practice and so I'm thinking to myself,

947
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: I remember all this, how they throwing me around. So

948
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: guess what happened after the run blocking, real pass catching drills. Oh,

949
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: now let's see who wants to go, because everybody did.

950
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: Nobody wanted to go and give class k ors and

951
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: Mobili because they were great run blockers. So now I'm looking.

952
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: I said, all you guys that was counting, didn't want

953
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: to go against c k and Orson. Y'all need to

954
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: see me at the land whom killing Wade Phillip to

955
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator. So they started practicing me. So what

956
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: I would be I would be the tight end from

957
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: the opposing team, so Scott Scott team. So I'm not

958
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: tight end. I'm cooking. You throw the ball, throw the

959
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: ball up in the world. I'm putting the football. All

960
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 1: of spacking the ball, I'll do with everything. Wade Phillips

961
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: blows the whistle. He's a dan. Put his asser in

962
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: the game, and let's see if they can cover him,

963
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 1: because we can't damn put in the game. And as

964
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: they say, the rest is as far along was that.

965
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: This was my this was my rookie year. This is

966
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: my rookie Wait tell us wait till us come on

967
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: the first team? Are comments sense? Because I say, you

968
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: got the comment sense and that's what and that's and

969
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: that's what, and that's what happened. That's kind of how

970
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: my career started off. And then I just started building

971
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: this this relationship with John. Every tough you know, every

972
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: tough catch that needed to be made to make it

973
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: in practice, because you you can't get that trust in

974
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: the game if he doesn't trust you in practice. So

975
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 1: and then I started sitting next to him during the meeting.

976
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: I said, okay, well, okay, how you want me to

977
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: how you want me to run this rout? I said

978
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: this saying, go you know twelve, the four team, he says,

979
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: and he would tell me, He's like, okay, let's try twelve,

980
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,959
Speaker 1: knowing that come game time you're gonna be a teen.

981
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: So don't shorten the practice because they'd be shorten that

982
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: much in practice, you're just gonna be I'm not gonna

983
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: be ready to throw. And so that was the hardest

984
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: thing is that learning how to control the speed a

985
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: tight end because they moved me from wide receiver, so

986
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: I'm faster than all the tight ends. And so I

987
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: was wondering I'm winning in practice, but he's not throwing

988
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: me the ball. And he says, it doesn't do you

989
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 1: any good to win if I'm not ready to throw

990
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: you the ball, because now by the time I'm ready

991
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: to throw you the ball, the guy you you covered again.

992
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: So now you have to understand. So he's talking to me,

993
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: he's talking through it, what he's seeing, what he wants

994
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 1: me to do, how he wants me to run certain routes,

995
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: and so I don't know if I can go to

996
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: any of the cause he's very patient with me. So

997
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,479
Speaker 1: they put me in the game. They moved they moved

998
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: me to a tight end, so they put me the guy.

999
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: I don't know nothing, So I'm struggling trying to learn

1000
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: why receiver plays. So they put me in the game.

1001
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,760
Speaker 1: They put me in motion the entire game in Denver.

1002
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: As I run by ailway, he would turn around and

1003
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 1: timber what I got. So I go by in motion.

1004
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: He telled me out round, go back to the huddle,

1005
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: so he called to play. Put me in motion again,

1006
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: run a corner block the end. So he did that

1007
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,439
Speaker 1: for an entire game. I don't know how many guys

1008
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: would have had the kind of patient because not only

1009
00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: he's telling me what I need to do, he also

1010
00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: got to go through the reads. He got to worry

1011
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: about a defense they're running where he's gonna go with

1012
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 1: the football. But he took enough time and said, so

1013
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: you know what, So that just got okay. Now I

1014
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: need to get on top of this. And so I

1015
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: got more. I started watching more and more take. I

1016
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: wanted to know as much as information as he did,

1017
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: and so it just got where were just like it

1018
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 1: was like second nature. So he had a large part

1019
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 1: to do with my success because he was very, very

1020
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: patient with me. I had coaches. Dan drafted me, Dan Reives,

1021
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: he drafted me um in the seventh round. But he said, look,

1022
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: his brother is an all pro. It's got I mean,

1023
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 1: gotta be something. We're gonna find something. We got a

1024
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: lot of something. So I was on all the special teams,

1025
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 1: you know, which was at the time wide receivers didn't

1026
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 1: play a whole lot. I was gonna ki man, head,

1027
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: bustle man. It's that. Look here he was laying people.

1028
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,439
Speaker 1: I was. I was going on the punt. It's over.

1029
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: They couldn't do anything with me. I let they put

1030
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: they put the double out there to put him head up.

1031
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: I break through that incredible hole, getting the horses, get

1032
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: him get But you know it's different now, you don't

1033
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: really try to for me, I was looking, I was

1034
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: looking at that, I was looking at that kills. Yeah,

1035
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: it's different. And that's why it's that's why it's so

1036
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: hard to evaluate guys, because back when I played, they

1037
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: were trying to put there, trying to twist you. You

1038
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: run that seven route like guys, I've never seen to

1039
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: run a one step slant Robert. But you know why

1040
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: because they're not worried about that kind of punishment that

1041
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: there was doling out back then. What you're running one

1042
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: step slam right, it was over. It was over. But now,

1043
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: so that's why it's so hard for us to evaluate.

1044
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: When they said, well what about this guy? What about

1045
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: that guy? The rules have been changed so much. The

1046
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: way they attacked the quarterback, the way that our defensers receiver, like,

1047
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: what is the defenseless receiver he got on him? And

1048
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: show the pass he not defens Yes, you on the

1049
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 1: football field, you should expect to get hit. But and

1050
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: then and then you know ed came later to real

1051
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: came later. And then We started Mike Shanahan with my

1052
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator when I first got there. He leaves comes

1053
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 1: back as the head coach, and then Mike was tough.

1054
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: The expectations that he placed dog and that's what I

1055
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: That's what I like. He expects you to make every play,

1056
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 1: no excuses. He came in, you catch a pass finished

1057
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: forty yards, So he was way down the field, so

1058
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:33,879
Speaker 1: we had to catch I might catch a five yard

1059
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: route taken, but I had to run forty yards because

1060
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: that's what Jerry Rice did and so that's what that was.

1061
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: Came from San Francisco, so that was our mentality, is

1062
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: that get home. We were always trying to hit our

1063
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: head on the gold post. And he brought the mentality

1064
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: of how we practice, how we met, Uh, the expectations,

1065
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: have fun. But the thing was I just remember he's

1066
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: always saying, okay, eighty four, get him going, because that

1067
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: was you know in in training camp, we're gonna hit it,

1068
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: hey coaches, uh profits according to Gary Kubiak, in my

1069
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: position coach, he's an eighty four. We need you to

1070
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: strike up the band to day. So now I'm talking

1071
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: eight fo get somebody today. Somebody gonna get it. Got today.

1072
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: They don't want to see eighty for y'all don't want this.

1073
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: Y'all don't want the kind of problems. And man, we

1074
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: it would get it would get going because and that

1075
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: that's that's that's what it was about. I mean, I

1076
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: got you. Guys have been on teams. All teams aren't equal.

1077
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 1: You're closer on some teams than others. We did things together.

1078
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,919
Speaker 1: We go to the movies, we went out to eat,

1079
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,800
Speaker 1: we go bowling, we you know, we played cars, We

1080
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: rolled dip. That's officially actually how club started. Club Sha

1081
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: started back in nineteen in Greely, Colorado. It was my

1082
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: teammates room. They had to play station. They had all.

1083
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: It wasn't my room because I'll be wanting to go

1084
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 1: to bed. Yeah, So like how you name a club

1085
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: and it's not even your room. Guy to be playing

1086
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: play station playing all these games. We're rolling dice, we're

1087
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 1: playing cards, beer, all that. And so John would come up,

1088
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: guys would come up, and we'll be all time of

1089
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: the night. So the coach coming from bed check you

1090
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 1: look and see, okay, so we're staying up. We got

1091
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: privtice the next morning, but we're staying up one two

1092
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, three o'clock in the morning. Yeah,

1093
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: because we've we've in the dorm. We're in the dorm

1094
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 1: doing training camp. But they know I will be ready.

1095
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be ready to Hey, I'm gonna be ready

1096
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: to glow. And then club there you go that rolling

1097
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: die al right? Bad? We had it. We had a

1098
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: crunk up in there. So that's the club started. That's

1099
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: what club started back at nineties. I named it, how

1100
00:57:57,720 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: how are you gonna give a dame somebody else room?

1101
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: I think because y'all don't know where to go to

1102
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: bed and I'm not I'm not going to have y'all

1103
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: in my room to the three o'clock in the bowling

1104
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: so I could come go and come as I please.

1105
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: And I've been at my homeboard was talking about it here,

1106
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: one of the assistant coaches at the charges, and we

1107
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: were talking about He's like, you know what, man, I

1108
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: was just thinking about that clubche It wasn't even your room.

1109
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: I said, I know that was down. It was going down.

1110
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,439
Speaker 1: It was great. But like I said, guy, you guys

1111
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: have been on team where you're really really close, and

1112
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: we were really really close. Everything we did, we bowled.

1113
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: You know, like I said, we go go bowling together.

1114
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: We went to the movies together. We did almost everything together.

1115
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: The training camp, you know, John, like I said, John

1116
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: would come up. Guys would come up and they might

1117
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 1: not even roll. Were just just show the show the face.

1118
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: And you don't understand how important chemistry is. Those are

1119
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 1: normally championship quality teams. At least you have the ability

1120
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: to win a championship those kind of teams. You know,

1121
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: I was fortunate enough to play on the team that one.

1122
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: I was on the team that I thought we had

1123
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: the talent, but we just didn't. We didn't vibe like

1124
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: our chemistry wasn't like that. So I tell people all

1125
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: the time, it's more people, Oh, chemistry, that's a class

1126
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 1: that you're taking high school in college. Nor it's not

1127
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: not no no, no, no, no, you can't. You guys

1128
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: gotta believe, sincerely believe that that guy has my best

1129
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: interest and he got to know that I have his

1130
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: best interest and the common goal. Like and I tell

1131
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: you know, when I talked to young guy, I said, look,

1132
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: whatever you want to do, I got no problem with that.

1133
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: If you want to be go to the pro bowler,

1134
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: you want to be all this. So you want to

1135
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,720
Speaker 1: be m v P, be that, but not a the

1136
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: expense of the team. Yeah not because if you want

1137
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: to be that, I know you're gonna put the time in.

1138
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:38,959
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna put the effort in. You're gonna

1139
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 1: put the training in, You'll put the studying in it.

1140
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: But not at the expense of the team. Team is

1141
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: there and there they have been locked. And that's mainly

1142
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: what I butted head with guys. What I know all

1143
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: they cared all that, Yeah, all they cared about with staff.

1144
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: They cared nothing about the team. That That rubbed me

1145
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: the wrong way. I don't I don't want no part.

1146
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. We didn't we wouldn't have any So

1147
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: y'all need to see y'all had no enforces. So y'all

1148
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 1: need somebody on that block, like to like your boy

1149
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: your bad. He could have helped us out. Hey, he tried.

1150
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: He tried to post me up. Tell them what happened?

1151
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: You try to post me up? So this happened. It

1152
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: wasn't a basketball involved. What was off set? And I

1153
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: told him I can handle him, and I told him

1154
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: I could post him up. And I tried to back

1155
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: him down here. I couldn't move him right there. But

1156
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: I don't have a basketball. I tried to back up.

1157
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: That is what I have on dress. You dress, you

1158
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 1: go the way, but I just figured it out. I

1159
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: gotta go around. I imagine that for him. Tell me

1160
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: what it was like. So after you you and John

1161
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: get your chemistry, tell me it was like playing with

1162
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: the one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. And

1163
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: he had a cannon too. It was great. It was

1164
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: unbelievable because, like like I said, he was a guy.

1165
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: John was all about respect. You see some of these

1166
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,959
Speaker 1: guys where they don't get the ball, they throwing water

1167
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: coolers and they're stomping. Don't do him like, don't don't

1168
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 1: show him up. He would never show you up. You

1169
01:01:09,160 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: run the wrong route, you timp a pass and he

1170
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: gets him accepted. He's never gonna show you up. If

1171
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: if you did something that he didn't agree with, he's

1172
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: gonna talk to you on the sideline, or you're gonna

1173
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: wait till the next day and he will talk to

1174
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: you behind. That's what I spect. Don't don't show me

1175
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: up because don't don't let that fool you. Don't think

1176
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: because now you more high profile to me, I eat

1177
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 1: your ass up out here, because at the end of

1178
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: the day, the one thing Mary Port and Mary Port

1179
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 1: and Barney Porter talk me. When you go somewhere, you're

1180
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 1: a man. When you leave there, you be a man.

1181
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: So don't talk to me sideways. He gave me that respect,

1182
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: and I mean he didn't have to do that because

1183
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: he had. He was John Elways. He was already in

1184
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: the m v P. He was already a Super Bowl.

1185
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: You know, he gonna even though he hadn't won, So

1186
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 1: he had already built up his credentials. He showed a

1187
01:01:55,520 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: young kid respect and so for me, okay, whatever you need.

1188
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: Like I said, there are a lot of great quarterbacks.

1189
01:02:04,800 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 1: And I went to the Pro Bowl with with with

1190
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: Marino Play, Warren Moon, Joe Montana, my last Pro Bowl,

1191
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, and Tom Brady with my quarterbacks. I didn't

1192
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: look here. I would learned it for a vacation. I

1193
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: didn't tell about it. I looked at the pro guy

1194
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 1: looking at it and trying to win the car win

1195
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 1: m VP vacation. I did everything I need to do

1196
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: to get over here, and I ain't trying to win

1197
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: the m v P over here. Na na, but man,

1198
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 1: he man, look here of the superstars that I had,

1199
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: Like I said, I didn't play with him, give me

1200
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: sever because the way he treated me. I love the

1201
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 1: fact that he didn't show, you know, show up. He

1202
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: yelling at the screaming on the sideline. I ain't all

1203
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 1: about that yelling and screaming at all about that. All

1204
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: my coaches I've always told him. I said, you could

1205
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: correct me in front of anybody, but you can't curse me.

1206
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: I say, Mary Porter, who gave me everything but life,

1207
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: never cursed me. So now if you want, you will

1208
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: see me at the food called me a mo fol

1209
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna have to deal with me, so

1210
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: I might have to leave. So I never had a

1211
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: confrontation with a coach. I never really had no confrontation

1212
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: with a player. Really, I think I got you know,

1213
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: it wasn't really no fight. He was it was cold

1214
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 1: one day, uh and I remember this, like, yeah it

1215
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: was and we were doing walk through and it was cold.

1216
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I was bummed up up and this guy

1217
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: named he told the story. So I go ahead and

1218
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: tell it to Reggie Rivers and he I threw him

1219
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: the ball, you know, I you know called the pass

1220
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: that I threw in the ball and he threw the

1221
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: ball back and hit me in the face with it. Yeah,

1222
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: we we have no heaven a walk through, and so

1223
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: he you know, I threw you know, I threw in

1224
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: the ball and he showed the ball hit me back

1225
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:59,919
Speaker 1: in my face. You started, I threw him the ball.

1226
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm like here here bro after like you don't know.

1227
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 1: But he was just scout. You're just on scout team.

1228
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: So it wasn't like the defense. He was just he

1229
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: was an offensive player too, but just so we would

1230
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: walk through like offense, and so we have level offensive players.

1231
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: We have the rest of the offensive players playing the defense.

1232
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:19,000
Speaker 1: So you know, you know what I mean, I threw

1233
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: him the ball. All he could even say just dropping

1234
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: let it into the ground, but don't throw it back

1235
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: and let me hit it hit me in the face.

1236
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: So I just I just walked up. He's like, yeah,

1237
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: that that was it. So and that that was that

1238
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 1: was That was the only time I've never even come close,

1239
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: uh to getting into it with somebody in the NFL. Now,

1240
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: that was the only time. Only got one fight in

1241
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: college um with a defensive lineman. You know, we joaning

1242
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Guy, you go to a

1243
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: black college. It's all about joaning. It's all about if

1244
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: you come in late, you come into cafeteria late, whatever

1245
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: you got on, we're gonna make fun of. I'm gonna

1246
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 1: light you up. And so you know I'm lighting him

1247
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: up now, remind you all the up. You know, senior

1248
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: the juniors there. But he's a freshman like me. But

1249
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 1: he's a d lamber. So I locked him up. You

1250
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: got the table crying, everybody laughing. So guess what he

1251
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: gonna do. He gonna come and try to take it

1252
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: out on me. So you know, uh, I think I

1253
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: had like a sandwich or something, and so I had

1254
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: some mayonnaise in the bowl. Dude took the mannaid out

1255
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: the bowl and just put it on and threw it

1256
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 1: on me. Wa wah wah. Walk. That wasn't just one

1257
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: you gave my whole boy, I gave a piece extra crism.

1258
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:40,760
Speaker 1: He say, I don't I don't even remember how having

1259
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: but I just remember the next that coach, they goddamn shop,

1260
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 1: what you're doing that cold to dude through Man, that's

1261
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: on me for no. Everybody was laughing. You must have

1262
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 1: been frying him though, you had to be fried. I

1263
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 1: love I love him. I loved I loved it because

1264
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: you know, when they're getting mad, they pick out the

1265
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: one person that didn't say nothing like what you're laughing

1266
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: because I was a freshman like he was, but I

1267
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: was you know, I was a wine receiver. He was

1268
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: a defensive labman. So all the other people laughing was

1269
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: bigger than you. Yeah, but I got it quick. See,

1270
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: that's what you gotta do the moment you first, because

1271
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: like I said, now, if if I fired all these

1272
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: couple of these things and you still standing, yeah something

1273
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: right right? Yeah yeah, but I don't know to take

1274
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: the thing these first three damn. So that was it.

1275
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: But for the moment when I get long, you know,

1276
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 1: I'm joking Stacks No. When he first came on, I'm

1277
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: Joe was a good time man. You come on the show.

1278
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 1: You know how we are. We were laughing, were joking,

1279
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: we carried on, and that's kind of how my persona was.

1280
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: My personality was in the locker room, laugh, joke, have

1281
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: a good time. Hey, it wasn't It wasn't no jokes me.

1282
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 1: I was chasing that ring. No when you no no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

1283
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 1: I'm about no. No, no, no, no, I'm I'm trying

1284
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 1: to win. No no, no, but bulld driving not on

1285
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: my watching right there. The type like stretching. When we

1286
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: go out to practice and we're stretching, that's the last

1287
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 1: time before that. We don't get all the joke in

1288
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: aside because once Mike blow that whistle, lock in, that's it,

1289
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 1: that's it. I'm a. I'm all about A. I'm trying

1290
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 1: to put that work in. And I had I had

1291
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: great teammates because as I'm practicing, I'm like, I'm asking

1292
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: the guys, uh, Dedrick Dodge, I'm asking Ronnie brad for

1293
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 1: the man, Tony Beelan, Okay, you cover this rock? Am

1294
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 1: I tipping my rocks? Because I need feedback because if

1295
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: I'm tipping something, I'm giving something of I need to know.

1296
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 1: Let me know what's going on. Hipping me and showing

1297
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: the deefend of your round. I'm sure I'm leaning into

1298
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: a rite or I'm doing something. I never never forget

1299
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: Dedrick Dodge, who one of one of my best teammates.

1300
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 1: He probably one of the guys that helped me the most.

1301
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: He said, I noticed something. I said, what you're talking

1302
01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: about He said, when you get ready to break out,

1303
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: you start getting up on your toes, get inside it.

1304
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 1: He says, don't do that. He says, because every time

1305
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 1: you do that, I'm gonna dry that route. So that

1306
01:07:55,680 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: told me, okay, I gotta yeah what that means? D

1307
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 1: what do you mean? Come up with the press it

1308
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 1: through it? I need he gonna drive aroute. And so

1309
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 1: you you start, you know, because I need Like I said,

1310
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:16,479
Speaker 1: I need feedback. Now remind you it's eaven for it

1311
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:18,680
Speaker 1: got to cover you in practice because he sees you

1312
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 1: every day. He knows all your moves. He knows and

1313
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,600
Speaker 1: he when he starts hearing things if John Audible's he

1314
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 1: knows what that is. So but a guy that only

1315
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:30,679
Speaker 1: sees you once a week and just watching you on tape,

1316
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: he is not gonna be able to get all those subtleties.

1317
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:34,719
Speaker 1: So I just need to make sure I'm not tipping

1318
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: it enough that he can see it come game time.

1319
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 1: Now he's seen this route year after year after year

1320
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: after year. What is man? It gets difficult to be

1321
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: the guy when you're going against him every day in practice,

1322
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: year after year after year. But come game time, it

1323
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 1: was it was a piece of cake. I see, I

1324
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 1: kind of feel like you were something like you said,

1325
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 1: you started that receiver once you came in, moved into

1326
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 1: tight end. But I kind of think you reigned in

1327
01:08:56,960 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 1: the era of athletic tight end. They could have played receiver,

1328
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 1: but you were tied end. So guys like Tony Gonzalez,

1329
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 1: Gates today, Kelsey Kittle, you were them and played like

1330
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 1: that before it was real Titanus just blocker. Yeah that's it. Yeah.

1331
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: Um when I first when I got to the league,

1332
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 1: you wanted to tight into the extension of your offensive lines.

1333
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 1: Those guys were like six five six, six to eighty five,

1334
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 1: almost three hunders because everybody wanted to run the football.

1335
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 1: They're like, if you ring you, if you gotta run

1336
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 1: game and the defense, you can win the championship. All

1337
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 1: of a sudden, they throw me out there and like,

1338
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 1: I'm a mismatch because if you walk your you walk

1339
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 1: your safety. I'm a bulliant. You walk your linebacker, I'm

1340
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 1: gonna run around here. So now, okay, how do we

1341
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 1: do that? So I started in the AFC West, and

1342
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 1: guess what happened. They go draft Tony Gonzalez, they go

1343
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: draft Freddy Jones at the charges. Don't go get Ricky Dudley.

1344
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: Not everybody is starting. Okay, they won't, they won't, but

1345
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: but see what they didn't understand. I was small. Who

1346
01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 1: Leo Jones is bigger than I am right now he's

1347
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 1: playing wide receiver than when I played it tight end.

1348
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 1: But well, I locked out on the stacks that I

1349
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 1: put his five hunting on them stack that we're going

1350
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 1: to where I get the right Hey, I get you

1351
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 1: right here, just driving. So so you're you're blocking, had

1352
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 1: a lot to do what you're making them. No, No,

1353
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,800
Speaker 1: that's all I was trying to say that the thing

1354
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 1: when you're blocking, just the way I look at it,

1355
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 1: I was more of an asset in the passing game

1356
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 1: than I was a liability in the run game. You see,

1357
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 1: you let everybody's look at trade trade trade trade. You

1358
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: don't don't playing the defend, but he's licking you up

1359
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 1: and getting your thirty on offense. So that's a great

1360
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 1: trade of James Harden. James Harden ain't sitting in the

1361
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:44,640
Speaker 1: chair in front of anybody, but when you like, you

1362
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 1: up for forty and so that was my thing. I

1363
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 1: blocked well enough. I mean, somebody got two dollar yard

1364
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 1: running behind me g D, M v P D looking

1365
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 1: at them files Yard Russias, I blocked for and now

1366
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 1: they weren't playing with team. Now I'm not saying I'm

1367
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 1: I'm George Kettle, I'm drunk. You did what you did.

1368
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: But I got to weight. So two Super Bowls and

1369
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 1: and uh, Denver and you go to Baltimore with want

1370
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 1: to arguably one of the greatest defenses. They say you

1371
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 1: were there, but talk to me about being able to

1372
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:20,639
Speaker 1: go over there and play, play with Ray Lewis, play

1373
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 1: with that team and win. Man. I didn't want to

1374
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:26,720
Speaker 1: leave Denver Um, but but it was a decision. You

1375
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 1: went from Hollywood to company. I didn't want to leave,

1376
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 1: but it's kind of like a situation where I just

1377
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: didn't think I was getting the respect that I deserved.

1378
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:41,519
Speaker 1: Your teen um and here I am seven. I had

1379
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: gone to seven Pro Bowls. I was First Team All

1380
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:46,799
Speaker 1: Pro four times, two Super Bowls, and all of a sudden,

1381
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 1: I guess because John was no longer there, they didn't

1382
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 1: think I could play. But they had started to use

1383
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 1: me differently. Ed has started well a. Rod Smith had

1384
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 1: started to become the number one receiver, so they started

1385
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 1: throwing him a little more. I can still do the

1386
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: same things, but I just wouldn't get in the same opportunities.

1387
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 1: And so it was like Baltimore. When Baltimore came, I

1388
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: was like, all themore what they were eight and eight

1389
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 1: a year before. I mean, I knew a little bit

1390
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 1: about Baltimore of the Rabys because we had played him

1391
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 1: in nineties six. Never in my wildest imagination that I

1392
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 1: ever think I was gonna get out of Depper, you know,

1393
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:20,560
Speaker 1: I was always thought like, but then you know, you

1394
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 1: see Joe Montana didn't finish his career, and you know,

1395
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:27,559
Speaker 1: so I'm like all these guys started. Bruce Smith was

1396
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 1: was all of a sudden gonna be was going to

1397
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:35,720
Speaker 1: Washington and then talking to Ozzie on the phone. Um

1398
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 1: I saw as a matter of fact, that was the

1399
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 1: nine nine nine. I saw Ray in Atlanta. He said, Man,

1400
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 1: if we get you, we can win the Super Bowl.

1401
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:45,599
Speaker 1: He said, because we got it on defense, we got

1402
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 1: it on lock. We just need a veteran guy man

1403
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 1: to get them guys ready. Man. So I go to

1404
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 1: Baltimore and I'm we're practicing against him. Now I know

1405
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 1: what good defense is. And I'm remember going the back

1406
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 1: room and I'm like, they don't realize how good they are.

1407
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 1: They yeah, I say, this might not be nobody's ever

1408
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:13,600
Speaker 1: seen anything like this. They could fly, they were I

1409
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 1: mean it was it was tough for us to get

1410
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: a couple of yards here and there. And then you

1411
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,680
Speaker 1: watch it. You're standing on the sideline and you're watching it,

1412
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 1: and you watch the physicality and you watch the relentlessness

1413
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 1: in which they attack people. I don't think very many

1414
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 1: of those guys could play today because it was just

1415
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 1: they were knocking people out. They were knocking the quarterback out.

1416
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 1: They're not gonna receivers out, they were not going running back.

1417
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 1: They're putting everybody out of the game. And then everything

1418
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 1: just started to click. Now we weren't that good offensively.

1419
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 1: It was your quarterback. We started with Tony Bankers, and

1420
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:50,879
Speaker 1: then they moved Triff came in there, and then basically

1421
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 1: the way we started playing, we felt if we could

1422
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,679
Speaker 1: get seven on you, we get Temple, we get ten points,

1423
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: and we didn't turn the ball over, you could be

1424
01:14:00,720 --> 01:14:02,880
Speaker 1: you couldn't beat us. So now we're playing for we're

1425
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 1: playing for one play. Hence that that's what they called

1426
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 1: me Big Place Shade because I was the guy who's

1427
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 1: gonna get the big play. We get that one place,

1428
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 1: we get that early, and we didn't turn the ball over.

1429
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 1: It's over you, it's curtains. So once we gotta leave,

1430
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:16,960
Speaker 1: we got to the playoffs, and once we gotta lead,

1431
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, we're going to the super Bowl.

1432
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 1: We're going to the super Bowl. And it once we

1433
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: got to the super Bowl, I'm like, I'm looking at

1434
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 1: the jazz, I'm looking at the warm up. They're gonna

1435
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 1: be looking. I said, they'll be looking to get ten points. Literally,

1436
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,439
Speaker 1: I know they was only get seven and they got

1437
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: that on the kick off. But that defense, no, that

1438
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 1: was that was a special unit. And when you know,

1439
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 1: you look back at it and you're like, compare defenses.

1440
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to do. But I don't know

1441
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 1: if they've been a better defense than the eighty five

1442
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 1: Bears in the two thousand Ravens. Now, I'm Vias because

1443
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: I happen to be there. But when you give up

1444
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty five points in sixteen games, and

1445
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 1: you don't let you to give up, you go sixteen

1446
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 1: games and all the teams combined don't rush for a

1447
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: thousand yards that's impressive. That that that's that's impressive. And

1448
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 1: so it was. It was. It was different because Brian

1449
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 1: Billy didn't care. We didn't have curfew. I we went

1450
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 1: to super Bow to matter. We could sue, but we

1451
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 1: didn't have curfew. He had one simple rule. Brian Billy

1452
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,759
Speaker 1: had our head coach. He had one rule. He said, guys,

1453
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 1: I want you to ride the bus to and from practice.

1454
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:29,719
Speaker 1: That was his only rule. And then we get guys

1455
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 1: that the young guys to my man, my mom, here,

1456
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:33,600
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna ride back. I said, here you

1457
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 1: a I think cold just gave was one rule. We

1458
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 1: don't have curfew. Now you boy the here and you're

1459
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:40,799
Speaker 1: gonna mess that up. I wish you might. It's always

1460
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 1: it's always somebody that you can do right. They want

1461
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 1: to do role for no reason, no reason, it's not now.

1462
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 1: So we we got that. That was. That was a

1463
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 1: great time. I got to meet some great friends, ray

1464
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 1: Rod Wilson, guys that I'm friends with to this day.

1465
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 1: It was a great opportunity. Um no it and there

1466
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 1: when I was no. No. Eight, Yeah, way younger than me.

1467
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: Ed came in maybe my I think my last year

1468
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 1: I think everybody came in my last year. Yeah, I played.

1469
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 1: I played against him, against him because you went back

1470
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:17,479
Speaker 1: and you you retired in Denver, went back to Denver.

1471
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 1: Tell me how important that was to you. Well, we

1472
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:25,560
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl. I leave the team in receiving

1473
01:16:26,240 --> 01:16:28,560
Speaker 1: and they drafted tighten in the first round. So what

1474
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 1: they're telling me? So so me. Now my thing is

1475
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 1: to get him ready to play. See people look at like,

1476
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 1: what it's not my job. Actually it is my job

1477
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 1: because what if something happened to me during the season

1478
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 1: and he's not ready to play. Now my job is

1479
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:48,360
Speaker 1: getting ready to play. Beyond how you practice, how you study,

1480
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 1: take what's expected of you. That's my job to prepare him,

1481
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 1: to get him ready to go back. Going back to

1482
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 1: Denver Um, talking to Mr b who is the owner

1483
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 1: at the time. Um, he's like, I should never let

1484
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:07,040
Speaker 1: you go. Said, I'm sorry for that, but you're coming back.

1485
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 1: You're coming back home. I want you to finish in

1486
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 1: the Broncho uniform. And then I talked to Mike. Uh

1487
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 1: because Mike and I my first goal around, we weren't

1488
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 1: that close. Because I don't think he he thought that.

1489
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 1: He just looked at me and just catching, but there

1490
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:22,560
Speaker 1: were so many other things that once I left, he

1491
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 1: started to see that the locker room, how guys, how practice,

1492
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 1: how he held guys accountable. Then you start to see

1493
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't realize the value things until it's gone.

1494
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:36,719
Speaker 1: So having a conversation for him and I was like, yeah,

1495
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 1: it's the right thing to do, you know. I went

1496
01:17:38,040 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 1: to Seattle, but that was too far. My kids were young.

1497
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 1: Then I was like, nah, they don't even be getting

1498
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 1: on the plane coming thirteen hours. Uh. I meant six

1499
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:49,480
Speaker 1: hours to come see me flying from Atlanta to Seattle,

1500
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 1: visited the Raiders, but it just didn't It didn't feel right.

1501
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 1: It didn't feel right. It was it was meant for

1502
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 1: me to start my career in Denver, have a brief interruption,

1503
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 1: and finish my career in Denver. And that was the

1504
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 1: best thing that ever happened, because the fans embraced me

1505
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 1: coming back. They always love me because they saw how

1506
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: hard I worked, and it meant something to me. Winning

1507
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:13,680
Speaker 1: meant something to me. Losing hurt me um, and I

1508
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 1: just wanted to make sure I didn't. I got the

1509
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 1: taste of losing out of my mouth as quick as possible,

1510
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 1: but I think they appreciated the hard work that I

1511
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 1: put into it. That's what's up so coming before you

1512
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 1: came from you know, thousand square foot, sent a block place,

1513
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 1: bunch of whole bunch of whole bunch of kids too,

1514
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: a successful career, three Superpols, and being inducted in the

1515
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:36,360
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame in two thousand eleven. What does that mean?

1516
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: Did you ever see? That? Was ever a dream? No? Um,

1517
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:45,440
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, I mean it was so far Um,

1518
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 1: that's the NFL heaven. Yeah, that's where the grates go

1519
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 1: to rest and to be thinking of twenty five thousand

1520
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:57,560
Speaker 1: men that will be either coach, played or been in

1521
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 1: front office in the NFL. I was two hundred and

1522
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 1: sixty seven member member in the prop By Hall of Fame.

1523
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:09,679
Speaker 1: Skinny kid from Glennville, thirty undred people to traffic lights,

1524
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 1: graduating class of sixty in high school. To go here,

1525
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:24,360
Speaker 1: it seemed like a dream. But if people knew how

1526
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: hard I worked, and I spoke about it, I remember,

1527
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: you know, in my senior year, you get a senior book.

1528
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,640
Speaker 1: Every girl side my book, Janna, when you go to

1529
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 1: the NFL, don't forget me, Channa. When your famous, don't

1530
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 1: forgive me every single one of them because I told

1531
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:44,479
Speaker 1: him I'm playing the NFL. I'm going. They couldn't believe

1532
01:19:44,479 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 1: because nobody had ever gone really done anything. They could. Yeah,

1533
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 1: I said, you ain't going to NFL. They're playing on TV.

1534
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 1: They make thousands thousands. Ye that's me. That's gonna be me.

1535
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 1: And I just everything that I did was preparing me

1536
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,639
Speaker 1: for that. Not a Hall of fame now the NFL. Yeah,

1537
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:10,639
Speaker 1: I wanted to go to the NFL. I wrote down

1538
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 1: in my memory in my book, I said, I'm gonna

1539
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:14,599
Speaker 1: go to the NFL. I'm gonna go to Pro Bowl,

1540
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:16,479
Speaker 1: I'm going to Super Bowl. I ain't put a Hall

1541
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:18,360
Speaker 1: of Fame in there because I in my mondy wouldn't

1542
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:20,639
Speaker 1: even let me something you might would even let your dream,

1543
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 1: won't even let your fathom, but all the other stuff,

1544
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 1: and sometimes I still I still pinch myself to think, damn,

1545
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm one of the best to ever do this, Like wow,

1546
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 1: you don't really it doesn't really dawn on you like

1547
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 1: when you do. When you do it when you can,

1548
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 1: you're not doing anything. Man, I'm going to the Hall

1549
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 1: of Fame. I'm going to all of fame. You just

1550
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 1: want to be the best you possibly can. You want

1551
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 1: to just do everything you possibly can to help your

1552
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 1: team win. That's all I want to do. I wanted

1553
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:53,680
Speaker 1: to be about I was always about the team and

1554
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 1: to see where I came from, working in those fields

1555
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 1: in South Georgia. Uh, Savannah Stay seventh round draft pick.

1556
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 1: That this it doesn't even seem it doesn't even seem real,

1557
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 1: It doesn't even seem like it's possible. But it happened.

1558
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:17,719
Speaker 1: I made it happen. I was very fortunate. I had

1559
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 1: a mom that made a decision that the best thing

1560
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 1: for my brother, my brother's sister, myself was to go

1561
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:26,759
Speaker 1: stare at my grandmother and grandfather. My grandmother and grandfather

1562
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 1: taken us in teaching us to discipline being because their

1563
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 1: expectations you work, you know, my my ground. The first

1564
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 1: time the guy came by, Joe Tatum came came by

1565
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 1: the day before and told us he wanted he wanted

1566
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:43,720
Speaker 1: uh to work for it. My grandfather come back in

1567
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 1: the house. He said, I want everything big enough to stop,

1568
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 1: sir up to hit that truck to Marrow because you know,

1569
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 1: back then we roll in the back of the truck everything.

1570
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,040
Speaker 1: So I'm five six years old. I get in the

1571
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 1: back of the truck going to work too. And that's

1572
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 1: why I tell people that either this job I ever

1573
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 1: had was playing in the NFL. He said playing, it's

1574
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 1: playing he was working. Yes, yes, that's working. People don't

1575
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 1: know what it's like. The bell Hey living them big

1576
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 1: old bad see stack. See if you had that SE's

1577
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 1: da got your right. You couple that and I hey

1578
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:27,720
Speaker 1: you pek. Yeah we hate fig when eight there. But

1579
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 1: you know what all that background because everybody goes through

1580
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 1: some adversity. It's hard. You tell me a person that

1581
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 1: has not gone through anything, and I tell you person

1582
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 1: that hadn't conference anything. So no matter who there, you

1583
01:22:39,320 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 1: look at Lebron situation, he's you know, he comes from

1584
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:46,719
Speaker 1: a singing you know, single mom um, teenage mom, moving around.

1585
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 1: He came through something most of us over had to

1586
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 1: overcome adversity. So we're used to playing basketball. Ain't't coming

1587
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 1: over adversity, especially when you grow up like we grew up.

1588
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 1: That's overcoming adversity. So to be to play a professional sport, yes,

1589
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 1: obviously you have to be talented, but you had to

1590
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 1: have to go through something to get to that point.

1591
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 1: And the more you go through the more hardened, determined

1592
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 1: dog it dedicated, you become to your craft, and then

1593
01:23:22,439 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 1: the sky's the limit, the sky's delimit. You just gotta

1594
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 1: put the work in and say what's important to me.

1595
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 1: And what was important to me was making sure my

1596
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:31,920
Speaker 1: grandmother never had to work another day in the life,

1597
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 1: making sure my kids because I knew there's no way

1598
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 1: my kids could live one hour where you came from

1599
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:42,639
Speaker 1: the end of day that I had let alone a minute.

1600
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 1: So that was my you know, to try to get

1601
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:48,839
Speaker 1: them to go to college, take care of them in college,

1602
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:51,559
Speaker 1: and give them a head start because you know, I

1603
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 1: started from the ground floor. At least I can put

1604
01:23:54,080 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 1: them on the second floor so they could could start

1605
01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 1: them the cause they can start them their own. Yeah.

1606
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 1: I mean, as a as a real true football fan,

1607
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 1: I'm glad the week because we don't hear too much

1608
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 1: about you on this on this side of you reflecting

1609
01:24:06,360 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 1: you in this line and as a true football fan,

1610
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 1: and really appreciate everything you accomplished, not only in your

1611
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 1: career as a player, but now what you're doing in

1612
01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:15,759
Speaker 1: journalism and analysm and you're one of the few people

1613
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 1: that have a very respected, real voice. You know, so

1614
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 1: talk to me what it's what it's like working with

1615
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 1: uh Skip on your show. It is one of the

1616
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 1: biggest shows. UH talk to us about that. Skip is unbelievable. Legend,

1617
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:35,759
Speaker 1: shout up, Skip, Skip is unbelievable. Skip is dripping drip.

1618
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to explain it because people see

1619
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 1: his brash, they see you no, they see his his

1620
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:47,040
Speaker 1: tough exterior, and he just like, but man, he is.

1621
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:50,040
Speaker 1: I remember the first time I met Skip and I'm

1622
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 1: looking at him, I'm like, damn me small and I'm

1623
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 1: looking at him and he's talking. We in production and

1624
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 1: he's saying some of the things and I'm like, I

1625
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,760
Speaker 1: heard him say those things on TV. He really believed that.

1626
01:25:04,280 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 1: He really believed that Braun ain't that good. When Skip

1627
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 1: left ESPN to come here, he wanted me to work

1628
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:15,559
Speaker 1: with him. But Fox and I f it's one they

1629
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 1: wanted another journalist guy because they said, Okay, yes, Shannon

1630
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,799
Speaker 1: can talk about football, but can you talk about other sports?

1631
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 1: Because before me, all the guys that did this daily,

1632
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:28,160
Speaker 1: if you look at all the other shows that all

1633
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 1: journalists background, They've covered baseball, they covered football, they covered basketball,

1634
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 1: Olympics and so forth and so on. So I was

1635
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:38,519
Speaker 1: the first athlete to do a daily debate talk show

1636
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:41,759
Speaker 1: that talked about other other things other than the sports

1637
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:43,360
Speaker 1: that they played. And it was like, well skilled, we

1638
01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 1: really thank Skips says, no, I want him. Well, Skip,

1639
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 1: let's let's see the Skip says no. Skip says, I

1640
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 1: don't want to interview with anybody. I don't want to

1641
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 1: do anything. I want him. That's the guy. I've done

1642
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 1: my whole work on him. I know what everybody said

1643
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:00,040
Speaker 1: about him, hard work, He'll put the work in it.

1644
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 1: So Skip went the bat for me. Let's just say,

1645
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 1: everybody wouldn't have done with Skip done everybody because a

1646
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 1: lot of people and they said, well, you know, we

1647
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:14,040
Speaker 1: really want you to like, okay what I tried, but

1648
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 1: you know they, you know, they wanted to go in

1649
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 1: a different direction. So this is what we did. Yeah, yeah, Skips,

1650
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:24,640
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly it. Skip says, no, I want him. And

1651
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:30,640
Speaker 1: so my job now is to make Skip right, to

1652
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:32,560
Speaker 1: put the time in, to put the effort in, to

1653
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 1: put the work into study to know what I'm talking about.

1654
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:40,400
Speaker 1: So for me, man, I do I'm here because of skill.

1655
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 1: I never wanted to live in l A. I like

1656
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 1: it now. But I never wanted to live in l A.

1657
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 1: Never thought. I mean like, I never thought a million

1658
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 1: years I was spending anything more than a day in

1659
01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 1: l A. Come visit, you know, not even gone. I

1660
01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:01,759
Speaker 1: live in l A. It's not my home, man. And

1661
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:04,679
Speaker 1: being on the show and being able to meet guys

1662
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:10,479
Speaker 1: like yourself, uh, athletes and other athletes and entertainers. Man,

1663
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 1: it's great that the best job. Look, people don't understand

1664
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:16,599
Speaker 1: how fun that is, how it because I look at

1665
01:27:16,640 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 1: it like when we talk we come on the show,

1666
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 1: I met the barbershop, Kurch worry. Yeah, that's where we are.

1667
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 1: And that's what I tell me if I was like, bro,

1668
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 1: I met the barbershop, and the conversation that we have

1669
01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 1: that we're discussing is that, And that's what people. That's

1670
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 1: what people. That's why people watch these shows because they're

1671
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:37,800
Speaker 1: having the same discussion that we're having. Exactly, Man, y'all

1672
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 1: is better than Lebron and Lebron vicks. Stop are you lying? Man? Game? Exactly,

1673
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 1: So we're having those same discussions, but we just don't

1674
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 1: lie television to see you guys, how you guys talk

1675
01:27:50,200 --> 01:27:52,760
Speaker 1: about your sport and how things are and then have

1676
01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 1: a football player coming in and talk about it, or

1677
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 1: baseball player or actors, and things still about respect, still

1678
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 1: about working met your craft and that's what it's about.

1679
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 1: And then this now, I just work at it. Now

1680
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 1: I'm not obsessed like I was was because when I

1681
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:09,800
Speaker 1: came out, when I first got here and I got

1682
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 1: the job, I would do the show and then I

1683
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:15,720
Speaker 1: would go home and rewatch the show in this entirety.

1684
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 1: And I was just doing that over and over and

1685
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 1: then over and over. I was rewatching it, like, rewatched

1686
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:24,639
Speaker 1: the show like four hours. And my agent said, Yana,

1687
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 1: you're gonna burn out. You can't do that. He said,

1688
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 1: you gotta do something. I mean, I mean I wouldn't

1689
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:32,639
Speaker 1: go in anywhere. I mean the first year I was here,

1690
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 1: I put two thousand miles in my car, I went

1691
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 1: to work, I went to work out, and I came up.

1692
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 1: I didn't do anything. That was it. All the things

1693
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 1: was just focused, like focus, this focus, just focused, just focused.

1694
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:48,639
Speaker 1: It's like, Yanny, you can't do that, say you burn yourself. Yeah,

1695
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 1: he said, you gotta. He said, you gotta pace yourself.

1696
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 1: He said, if you want to do this, he said,

1697
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:55,280
Speaker 1: at this pace, you last a couple of years, and

1698
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 1: so I started to pull back out of like, okay,

1699
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:01,880
Speaker 1: but it's a lot of work. To be good at anything,

1700
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 1: you gotta work at it. I just sit here and

1701
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 1: imagine battle off with you and skip against Stephen then

1702
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 1: Max Kellerman, how do you think that would go? And

1703
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:16,600
Speaker 1: they don't stand a chance. You think you gotta you know,

1704
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm putting you know, I'm putting you

1705
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:29,439
Speaker 1: with Stephen A then right? You don't two on to debate.

1706
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:31,160
Speaker 1: That should be like an All Star debate game or

1707
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:36,680
Speaker 1: something like that. They just go off topics that we

1708
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 1: could make this happen. I'm under the smokes and we'll

1709
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 1: do it. I'm all for that. But I always tell

1710
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 1: people about our relationship. I respect you and how I

1711
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 1: ask you questions, um about about the business and advice

1712
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 1: you give me. People always ask about our relationship. I say,

1713
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:56,679
Speaker 1: like a big brother, you know, he all he always

1714
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:58,680
Speaker 1: give me the right advice, even when he sees something

1715
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 1: that I've done on said on Instagram when I he

1716
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 1: might not say noting that day, but when you see me,

1717
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:06,439
Speaker 1: you're addressing and tell what doing. I remember one time

1718
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 1: in the story, Um, it was something that happened recently

1719
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:12,559
Speaker 1: about Kobe, and I was about to address it, but

1720
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:14,760
Speaker 1: it was it wasn't It wasn't a fine line where

1721
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:17,080
Speaker 1: I was second guesting myself and out of all the

1722
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 1: people I know, I d M him and I asked

1723
01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:22,320
Speaker 1: him how should I respond? And he gave me the

1724
01:30:22,360 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 1: best advice. You know what I'm saying. I responded the

1725
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:27,120
Speaker 1: way So I just you know, this is just a question.

1726
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 1: I mean, people want to know our relationship, but it's

1727
01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 1: just me telling them, you know, little little situations that

1728
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:33,160
Speaker 1: I said work and how we became so close. I

1729
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:37,599
Speaker 1: appreciate that, you know, I was you You watch people

1730
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:41,520
Speaker 1: and you watch Lebron, and Lebron like, oh he too, buddy, buddy.

1731
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 1: The thing is we got to get out of that,

1732
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:46,680
Speaker 1: out of our community because we look at the old

1733
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:49,679
Speaker 1: that's a side of weakness. Well, such a arch wouldn't

1734
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:51,640
Speaker 1: have done that. Well that probably explains whether or not

1735
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:54,479
Speaker 1: more people like him because he didn't give the information

1736
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:56,960
Speaker 1: that he could have. What good his information if you're

1737
01:30:56,960 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 1: not willing to share. That's what Kobe said. He wanted

1738
01:30:59,479 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 1: to enhanced people. And that's the thing. I look at Lebron.

1739
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:05,719
Speaker 1: Here is a guy that Okay, if you're not talking

1740
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:08,439
Speaker 1: next to the nose, you don't want to know that

1741
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:11,760
Speaker 1: bad business. You don't want to know how this man

1742
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 1: built the brand from a single mother and akron and

1743
01:31:14,479 --> 01:31:16,880
Speaker 1: he's one of the most popular athletes, one of the

1744
01:31:16,920 --> 01:31:19,599
Speaker 1: most popular people in all the world. You wouldn't want

1745
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:23,719
Speaker 1: that information. Oh no, that that's a sign of weakness.

1746
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 1: No eat, each one, teach one, pass that information on.

1747
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:32,760
Speaker 1: What good is all that information? If you're hoarding it?

1748
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 1: Look my thing the way I look at it. There's

1749
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:38,559
Speaker 1: enough food I want everybody, And if you can't eat

1750
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:42,559
Speaker 1: right now, you can eat off my plate. Our communities, man,

1751
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:45,720
Speaker 1: we gotta get away from that because I'm talking about

1752
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:48,840
Speaker 1: us and that black community. We quick to say, Man,

1753
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:51,760
Speaker 1: I wouldn't why that. We got to get out of

1754
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:55,200
Speaker 1: that craft syndrome. Well, it was like this westead of

1755
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:00,120
Speaker 1: guy when they come and ask me, so, okay, I

1756
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 1: explained to him. I talked to him. I said, okay, now,

1757
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 1: you can't not say anything because a lot of time

1758
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:07,599
Speaker 1: guys want to get in this profession where they don't

1759
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:09,880
Speaker 1: want to talk while they're playing. Well, you gotta give

1760
01:32:09,880 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 1: people a glimpse. You gotta give people a little insight

1761
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 1: into what they could possibly be getting. That's why some

1762
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:19,400
Speaker 1: guys do better on television than others, because all of

1763
01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 1: a sudden, like that's but people knew what they were getting.

1764
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:25,760
Speaker 1: For me, there's like if he's anything like some of

1765
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:28,719
Speaker 1: the snippets and sound bait me calling the National Guard

1766
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:31,720
Speaker 1: or me doing things on the sideline that gave them

1767
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:34,680
Speaker 1: a glimpse into kind of like how I was and

1768
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 1: who I am. And I think the thing is that

1769
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:40,320
Speaker 1: one of the things that really helped is win the

1770
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:43,280
Speaker 1: cap situation kind of feeling that lap because as soon

1771
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 1: as we went on the air, that was it. And

1772
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like a situation that's going

1773
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 1: on right now. You couldn't straddle the fence on it.

1774
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:56,639
Speaker 1: You get you your a. It's kind of like what's

1775
01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:59,600
Speaker 1: going on right now? You either with this government or

1776
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 1: you ain't. No, Well, you know there's something that's simple

1777
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:06,200
Speaker 1: as that for the very first time, there's not a

1778
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:09,000
Speaker 1: whole lot of subjects that forced you to pick a side.

1779
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 1: It's like when you're growing up, you're back, Okay, who

1780
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:13,560
Speaker 1: you with? Okay, I'm with the skins, I with the

1781
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:16,479
Speaker 1: shirt outside of you on it can't it doesn't matter

1782
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:20,439
Speaker 1: to me. Nah, pick a side. So and that feeling.

1783
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:23,160
Speaker 1: And I think when when people have heard me articulate

1784
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:26,919
Speaker 1: my thoughts on that situation and give a little background

1785
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:30,000
Speaker 1: in the context, I think people like, Okay, I'll tune

1786
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 1: and I listen a little more, and they because I

1787
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 1: kind of try and approach it. Yes, I'm a as

1788
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 1: an athlete, But how about some of this common sense?

1789
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:43,719
Speaker 1: How about just come on. Now, you're on your job

1790
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:48,080
Speaker 1: and somebody does that to you, You're okay with it? Nah,

1791
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:50,280
Speaker 1: well he should take a pay cut. Okay, they come

1792
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 1: to you on your job and to say what they

1793
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:55,559
Speaker 1: need an extra fifteen thousand for caring an hr? You cool?

1794
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:58,840
Speaker 1: They're cutting you're paying Nah? Hell no, okay, why you

1795
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:01,720
Speaker 1: on him? Is easy for you to tell someone else

1796
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 1: to take a pay cut? Kind of ain't your money?

1797
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:06,599
Speaker 1: But there't nobody else want to give up? Why they

1798
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:08,640
Speaker 1: give up money so somebody else can make money? But

1799
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:11,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna take money for me. So when you start,

1800
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 1: if you put things and people where people could, Like

1801
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:18,920
Speaker 1: I said, you gotta put it on your scale, I say,

1802
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 1: it's easy. Yeah. If you're making a hundred thousand and

1803
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:24,840
Speaker 1: someone's telling you you can make fifteen million, but you

1804
01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:27,120
Speaker 1: gotta give a million back make fourteen Yeah, you do that,

1805
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 1: but you gotta do it in your terms. You're making

1806
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:32,599
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand. Somebody said, you gotta give up fifteen thousand,

1807
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:35,240
Speaker 1: or you gotta give up ten thousands. So somebody so

1808
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:37,479
Speaker 1: we can hire somebody else, but I gotta do with me.

1809
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:41,120
Speaker 1: You're hiring somebody else is taking food out of my table.

1810
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:44,479
Speaker 1: So I think that's the biggest thing. Is I just

1811
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:46,400
Speaker 1: try to use logic. I try to put things in

1812
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 1: as simply terms as I possibly can to help people

1813
01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:53,600
Speaker 1: understand why I say what I said. Why I said it. Uh.

1814
01:34:53,880 --> 01:34:55,680
Speaker 1: I don't take no shots in anybody because I know

1815
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:57,519
Speaker 1: how hard it was to be an athlete. I would

1816
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:00,559
Speaker 1: love and respect everybody. It's never gonna be going back

1817
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 1: and forth because you gotta take a shot at me. Bro,

1818
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:05,519
Speaker 1: if you took a fis to what I said, I'm sorry,

1819
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:08,360
Speaker 1: that wasn't my attention. I'm just doing my job because

1820
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:11,120
Speaker 1: I think you know you at a professional athlete. I

1821
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:13,799
Speaker 1: know what you're going through. Maybe not to the scale,

1822
01:35:14,200 --> 01:35:16,479
Speaker 1: but I understand what it's like to be a professional athlete.

1823
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:18,559
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna get looked bro. A lot of

1824
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:20,680
Speaker 1: you guys, I'm going to be their dad, don't. I

1825
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:22,840
Speaker 1: don't think at this point I'm saying I think people

1826
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:26,639
Speaker 1: passed taking stuff that you and Stephen they say, because

1827
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 1: we kind of look at your the leaders of our

1828
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:31,599
Speaker 1: culture with this. So if anybody taking it that way

1829
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 1: at this point and they're just being hated at this point,

1830
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:36,640
Speaker 1: but now you know, but and the thing else for me,

1831
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:39,000
Speaker 1: and they're like, well you hate we gotta get out

1832
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 1: of this notion if stax. If I say I like

1833
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:44,400
Speaker 1: apples and oranges, you can't say, oh, you hate bananas,

1834
01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:49,599
Speaker 1: and great you gotte I said, why why I just

1835
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:52,519
Speaker 1: can't I like apples and orangins I didn't say anything

1836
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:54,759
Speaker 1: about it. That don't mean I just like I didn't

1837
01:35:54,800 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 1: do that with COVID. Yes, there there's enough eating this

1838
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:03,080
Speaker 1: And just because I choose one of the other doesn't

1839
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:05,000
Speaker 1: mean I like it. Okay. If I say, if I

1840
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:07,400
Speaker 1: say Lebron was better than KOBD, that doesn't mean I

1841
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:12,120
Speaker 1: disliked Kobe. But but people don't really know I used

1842
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 1: to cape for Kobe harder than what I cape for Lebron.

1843
01:36:16,479 --> 01:36:19,880
Speaker 1: Didn't know that. Finally, admitting it. You finally admitting it

1844
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:22,400
Speaker 1: on the show what that you used to go harder

1845
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:26,280
Speaker 1: for Kobe? Thank you, Thank you people that people that

1846
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:30,200
Speaker 1: nobody knew that my friend was telling the guy that

1847
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 1: cuts my hair. He said, here's the funny thing, and

1848
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:36,120
Speaker 1: nobody who's gonna ever believe this? He wasn't harder for

1849
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 1: Kobe than he ever did for Lebron. Kobe with my guy, Kobe,

1850
01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 1: Kobe was my man. You couldn't tell me nothing. So

1851
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:49,960
Speaker 1: I had so this I was. I had Kobe. Kobe

1852
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:54,920
Speaker 1: was my guy. He liked Lebron, so I said, okay, Kobe,

1853
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:57,599
Speaker 1: So we got Kobe. I got Kobe, you got Lebron.

1854
01:36:58,080 --> 01:37:01,160
Speaker 1: We can never change players. You gotta stay with Kobe.

1855
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:03,559
Speaker 1: I gotta stay with Cobe, but you gotta stay with Lebron.

1856
01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:07,800
Speaker 1: He from d C. He know about this kid named

1857
01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, so he wont KD. I'll say, I'll tell

1858
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 1: you what, I make you a deal. Let me get

1859
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:22,759
Speaker 1: get me getting James. Okay, with Katie came when Katie

1860
01:37:22,840 --> 01:37:26,600
Speaker 1: came to the NBA, I got Lebron. He took k D.

1861
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:30,040
Speaker 1: So now I got Kobe and I got Lebron. So

1862
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:32,320
Speaker 1: y'all see y'all doing y'all own little bab shop trade,

1863
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:37,600
Speaker 1: and that's how it happened. But but but that's the

1864
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 1: thing is I think that's the hardest thing for me

1865
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:43,160
Speaker 1: is to try to get the people to understand because

1866
01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:46,280
Speaker 1: I talked positive about someone else doesn't mean I gotta

1867
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:49,080
Speaker 1: talk negative about somebody because you understand that you don't

1868
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:51,599
Speaker 1: have to ship on nobody else to make yourself look good.

1869
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:53,800
Speaker 1: It's too many people these days feel like they got

1870
01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:56,439
Speaker 1: to be little somebody to make themselves. And that's one

1871
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:58,320
Speaker 1: thing we take a point on our show speaking to

1872
01:37:58,360 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 1: everybody in here. We know how to get people on

1873
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:04,880
Speaker 1: our show disagree with them, but don't disrespects. Well. My thing,

1874
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:07,720
Speaker 1: I think we both transitioned, all three of us transitioned,

1875
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:09,960
Speaker 1: and we so we know the players side, and now

1876
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:11,760
Speaker 1: we know the analyst side as well. And I think

1877
01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:13,920
Speaker 1: one thing I really take offense to, and I took

1878
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:17,479
Speaker 1: offense to Nick Wright, who works for Fox, was if

1879
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:19,320
Speaker 1: you've never really been in these trenches and done what

1880
01:38:19,400 --> 01:38:20,880
Speaker 1: we've done, Like there's a whey for you not to

1881
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:23,639
Speaker 1: necessarily agree or like the style or play or whatever,

1882
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:27,360
Speaker 1: but you don't have to be disrespectful because keep it real,

1883
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:29,960
Speaker 1: you're doing this because you weren't good enough to do that,

1884
01:38:30,520 --> 01:38:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you wanted to be an athlete

1885
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:34,640
Speaker 1: and you you came and you settled for journalism. So

1886
01:38:35,320 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 1: to me, I think it really bothers me when analysts

1887
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:42,080
Speaker 1: that or journalists that have never been in the trenches,

1888
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:44,400
Speaker 1: can't you gum and dribble at the same time, like

1889
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 1: disrespect players like you said earlier, because you know how

1890
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:51,560
Speaker 1: hard it is to be in no shoes when you

1891
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:54,960
Speaker 1: know what gets somebody upset? And look, you cover the game.

1892
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:56,800
Speaker 1: You look, if you cover the game long enough, you

1893
01:38:56,840 --> 01:38:59,200
Speaker 1: should have an idea what you're talking about. I get

1894
01:38:59,280 --> 01:39:02,599
Speaker 1: upset when I see analyst say things that actually played

1895
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:04,400
Speaker 1: the game. I said, if it was that easy, why

1896
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:08,360
Speaker 1: didn't you do it while you played exactly exactly? Like

1897
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:10,800
Speaker 1: why don't wait a minute, you're saying that's easy, Well,

1898
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:12,439
Speaker 1: you had an opportunity to do it. Why didn't you

1899
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:17,160
Speaker 1: do it? So? And look, everybody has a job to do,

1900
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:19,679
Speaker 1: and my thing is, I'm not trying to disrespect anybody.

1901
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:21,839
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to make a point. And yet sometimes

1902
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:24,160
Speaker 1: I get upset when when guys do certain things are like, Bro,

1903
01:39:24,280 --> 01:39:26,400
Speaker 1: why do you put yourself in the home while it's

1904
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:29,479
Speaker 1: coming from from your place stuff? Because you've been there

1905
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:32,160
Speaker 1: and you know what the roadblocks should be avoiding it exactly.

1906
01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:33,720
Speaker 1: I mean, if I see the guys, I don't see

1907
01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 1: a whole lot of guys because I don't go know

1908
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:36,920
Speaker 1: what sta. But if I want to see you guys,

1909
01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:38,720
Speaker 1: I would dat the guys blow. I ain't got no

1910
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:41,400
Speaker 1: beet with him. Man, you don't like I said. I

1911
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:45,479
Speaker 1: love k D, but Kate you should be above or

1912
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:47,640
Speaker 1: burn account. That's what I told him. I was like,

1913
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:49,720
Speaker 1: I don't like that you burn, I said, motherfucking text

1914
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:53,840
Speaker 1: them straight from your phone. Yeah, if you got something

1915
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:57,880
Speaker 1: to say safe, I ain't hide behind nothing there. Like, Man,

1916
01:39:57,880 --> 01:39:59,280
Speaker 1: I can't believe you said that. I said, Well, I

1917
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:00,800
Speaker 1: can't believe you say what you said to me. So

1918
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:08,400
Speaker 1: you just say whatever. Yeah, don't he don't let them sue.

1919
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 1: You know, right you're talking to me. Yeah, I can't

1920
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:14,320
Speaker 1: let you talk to me. Crazy But you know, like

1921
01:40:14,439 --> 01:40:17,000
Speaker 1: I said, But after, for the most part is the guys.

1922
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:20,000
Speaker 1: When I see the guys and having been on this show,

1923
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:22,600
Speaker 1: the respect that they showed me, Man, that makes me

1924
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:25,840
Speaker 1: feel so good. I'm like everybody now, they don't nobody

1925
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:28,320
Speaker 1: call me my name. Everybody called me una. I mean

1926
01:40:30,360 --> 01:40:33,439
Speaker 1: in d Wade, I'm like bad because you're speaking for

1927
01:40:33,560 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 1: us to Yeah, you know, you're speaking for us to

1928
01:40:36,040 --> 01:40:38,040
Speaker 1: do when you're open up doors. And that's what we

1929
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:40,000
Speaker 1: continue to try to do is just letting people know.

1930
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:41,720
Speaker 1: I mean, there's other ways you can touch the game

1931
01:40:41,800 --> 01:40:43,400
Speaker 1: and the game be a part of the game. And

1932
01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:45,400
Speaker 1: for your transition to be, like you said, you're one

1933
01:40:45,439 --> 01:40:48,600
Speaker 1: of the only maybe that that covers all sports and

1934
01:40:48,720 --> 01:40:50,560
Speaker 1: you were a professional football player, so that takes a

1935
01:40:50,600 --> 01:40:53,360
Speaker 1: lot of hard work and dedication. So we appreciate that.

1936
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:55,240
Speaker 1: We love that. But I wanted to also talk kind

1937
01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:57,439
Speaker 1: of a two part question here, the thought on Tony

1938
01:40:57,520 --> 01:41:00,559
Speaker 1: Romo's transition to being shipped the highest paid but then

1939
01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:03,719
Speaker 1: also a two part question how NFL players are reacting

1940
01:41:03,800 --> 01:41:06,240
Speaker 1: to him making that kind of money and some NFL

1941
01:41:06,280 --> 01:41:08,080
Speaker 1: players don't make that kind of Yeah, they're looking at

1942
01:41:08,120 --> 01:41:10,400
Speaker 1: the guy, the guy that talks about the game is

1943
01:41:10,479 --> 01:41:12,639
Speaker 1: making more money than the guys that actually played the game.

1944
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:16,760
Speaker 1: But it's about it's not what your worth, it's what

1945
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:26,639
Speaker 1: you negotiate to Romo clearly he got him. Yes, that's

1946
01:41:26,720 --> 01:41:30,840
Speaker 1: the way it works. So if you keep taking, if

1947
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:34,160
Speaker 1: somebody like, well, here, just take that. If all somebody

1948
01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:36,479
Speaker 1: do is give you this water and their solda and

1949
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:38,519
Speaker 1: you just keep taking the water, whether the solda is

1950
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:41,720
Speaker 1: never an option, what if you just keep if you're

1951
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:45,080
Speaker 1: not willing to fight. Tony Romo was willing to risk

1952
01:41:46,040 --> 01:41:49,880
Speaker 1: leaving CBS, and they understood that, so they had to

1953
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:53,120
Speaker 1: pay it. What is value? You're not willing to risk

1954
01:41:53,320 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 1: game checks? So the owners, No, you're not willing to

1955
01:41:56,400 --> 01:41:58,760
Speaker 1: risk game checks. So they said, we're here, take this

1956
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:02,320
Speaker 1: and I the core player. Look, there's a one percent.

1957
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:05,880
Speaker 1: Everybody is not gonna be in that one percent. Guys,

1958
01:42:06,320 --> 01:42:09,080
Speaker 1: they're guys that's never gonna make thirty million. So this

1959
01:42:09,240 --> 01:42:11,920
Speaker 1: seems to be a lot of money for guys that say,

1960
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:14,479
Speaker 1: the core guys making six hundred maybe six hundred two

1961
01:42:14,520 --> 01:42:16,960
Speaker 1: million dollars, So extra hundred thousand dollars of a lot

1962
01:42:17,000 --> 01:42:20,880
Speaker 1: of money. But okay, for that extra game, what else

1963
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:23,879
Speaker 1: are you getting? How much long are those medical benefits

1964
01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:27,080
Speaker 1: gonna be because five years if the average NFL careers

1965
01:42:27,160 --> 01:42:29,519
Speaker 1: three years, So let's just say you're done with football

1966
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:33,720
Speaker 1: by the time you good as medical insurance is your

1967
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:37,000
Speaker 1: thirty one and is done. Everybody is not gonna be

1968
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:39,680
Speaker 1: like a Shannon Sharp and get a job in television,

1969
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:43,200
Speaker 1: or be Michael straighthand or be Tony Romo. So what

1970
01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:48,439
Speaker 1: about those guys? So I don't think you gotta be willing.

1971
01:42:48,439 --> 01:42:51,560
Speaker 1: You gotta be willing to risk something in order to

1972
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:54,439
Speaker 1: gain something. And so right now the guys are not

1973
01:42:54,600 --> 01:42:59,880
Speaker 1: willing to risk checks to miss and so I don't Yeah,

1974
01:43:00,120 --> 01:43:02,880
Speaker 1: I don't understand what the rush is because here's the thing.

1975
01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:06,200
Speaker 1: Owners don't want to negotiate contract with players. What are

1976
01:43:06,240 --> 01:43:08,000
Speaker 1: your left on the contract? But they want to do

1977
01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:14,559
Speaker 1: this deal a year before it's up exactly. But look,

1978
01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:17,600
Speaker 1: it's not easy when you got a lot of overhead.

1979
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:20,720
Speaker 1: You got a lot of responsibility because you know, if

1980
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:23,080
Speaker 1: you got kids in private school, you know you gotta

1981
01:43:23,080 --> 01:43:25,800
Speaker 1: pay for your house. You've got mama house. You know.

1982
01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:31,040
Speaker 1: The thing is about the ownership is that they're lending. Uh.

1983
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:35,360
Speaker 1: People will give them a break, says okay, knowing that

1984
01:43:35,400 --> 01:43:38,280
Speaker 1: it's gonna resume, but the NFL cut checks for them

1985
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:41,000
Speaker 1: in March. You don't get your money until you play,

1986
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 1: so they will put somebody else on the field and

1987
01:43:44,600 --> 01:43:47,639
Speaker 1: people will watch it. So that's what happened in eighty

1988
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:50,439
Speaker 1: seven when they struck. They put what they call scals,

1989
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:54,080
Speaker 1: and people watched and guess what happened. Some of the

1990
01:43:54,120 --> 01:43:57,280
Speaker 1: biggest stars you wouldn't believe across the picket line and

1991
01:43:57,320 --> 01:44:01,880
Speaker 1: went back out there. So if a guy that's a superstar,

1992
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:05,479
Speaker 1: superstar going across the picket line and go play, what

1993
01:44:05,640 --> 01:44:08,400
Speaker 1: chance to do a guy another game that's barely that

1994
01:44:08,479 --> 01:44:11,040
Speaker 1: he might get he might get cut with that good?

1995
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 1: Is he that good? Though? I like him? I think

1996
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, I've never heard Tony wrong or do a

1997
01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:17,800
Speaker 1: game because I don't watch the game with sound because see,

1998
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:21,360
Speaker 1: they will influence what you might say exactly. See for me,

1999
01:44:21,439 --> 01:44:23,760
Speaker 1: I know the hell I'm looking for. I did play

2000
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:27,479
Speaker 1: the game, so I'm looking as Tony has talked. What

2001
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:31,120
Speaker 1: Tony might be talking about. See, I don't watch the

2002
01:44:31,200 --> 01:44:34,880
Speaker 1: game looking for touchdowns of this or that. I'm looking, okay,

2003
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:40,439
Speaker 1: formational offense, defense, Why he scored, how he scored, not

2004
01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:44,160
Speaker 1: that he's fans don't care about that he scool. I'm

2005
01:44:44,160 --> 01:44:48,000
Speaker 1: an Oh, they're playing they playing Cup of five, which

2006
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:51,519
Speaker 1: is too man, too deep, safety man underneath it. We

2007
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:53,280
Speaker 1: call it a cup of five. So I'm looking at

2008
01:44:54,040 --> 01:44:57,240
Speaker 1: it's gonna be open and yes, yeah, so that's what

2009
01:44:57,320 --> 01:45:00,400
Speaker 1: I'm looking at. And so for me, it's opening in

2010
01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:04,000
Speaker 1: the middle. You got you playing, Yeah, it's twenty too member,

2011
01:45:04,040 --> 01:45:06,120
Speaker 1: they're playing already inside. They don't want you to get

2012
01:45:06,280 --> 01:45:08,800
Speaker 1: they don't want to get beat inside. They want they

2013
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:11,320
Speaker 1: don't want to get beat inside because the safeties are splitting.

2014
01:45:11,720 --> 01:45:13,880
Speaker 1: So most time, more times than not, they're gonna jump

2015
01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:17,080
Speaker 1: hard inside because the one thing you don't never want

2016
01:45:17,120 --> 01:45:19,360
Speaker 1: to gotta do is cross your face because that's the

2017
01:45:19,400 --> 01:45:22,200
Speaker 1: eas of throwing football. It's right there, make it hard

2018
01:45:22,280 --> 01:45:25,320
Speaker 1: for it. And so I'm looking at that. I'm like, dude,

2019
01:45:25,400 --> 01:45:28,200
Speaker 1: stop letting the guy cross your face. But that's why

2020
01:45:28,240 --> 01:45:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it. So I'm kind of analyzing the

2021
01:45:30,160 --> 01:45:34,360
Speaker 1: game like Tony Um and so in my way, So

2022
01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:38,360
Speaker 1: I don't listen no side, even basketball games. You guessed

2023
01:45:38,479 --> 01:45:42,320
Speaker 1: in calling games. No, no, no, that's too much. That's

2024
01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:47,400
Speaker 1: too much. Yeah. I might be a cheer for goal

2025
01:45:49,200 --> 01:45:50,960
Speaker 1: you didn't catch that. You didn't catch that pass because

2026
01:45:51,000 --> 01:45:55,400
Speaker 1: you was out there doing something too something, but that

2027
01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:58,679
Speaker 1: that that's yeah, I mean, that's a lot of money.

2028
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:03,519
Speaker 1: But that makes it better, that makes it. Come on,

2029
01:46:04,600 --> 01:46:09,080
Speaker 1: you got open the door. I've never begrugged anybody for

2030
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:10,760
Speaker 1: getting their money, for getting their money. Can't do what

2031
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:12,800
Speaker 1: I'm kind of what I'm procket watching. Can't do it,

2032
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:15,439
Speaker 1: won't do it. But you know some guys man, he

2033
01:46:15,479 --> 01:46:18,800
Speaker 1: ain't worth that ain't coming out of my pocket. Yeah

2034
01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:21,479
Speaker 1: let me see. Oh yeah, my money stealing that They

2035
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:25,040
Speaker 1: got nothing to do with me. We're just stacks that stacks. Yeah,

2036
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:28,760
Speaker 1: they ain't no minute. Yeah, I know you. You walk

2037
01:46:28,760 --> 01:46:30,920
Speaker 1: around a bunch of money, you stand on, but they

2038
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:34,160
Speaker 1: ain't fall drug dealing day. It ain't fay. You walk

2039
01:46:34,160 --> 01:46:37,400
Speaker 1: around a bunch of money back into day yesterday. That

2040
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:40,120
Speaker 1: I mean back in then when I played in my height,

2041
01:46:40,920 --> 01:46:42,800
Speaker 1: that was you. Yeah, I keep I used to walk

2042
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:47,120
Speaker 1: around if if you called me with listing five grand

2043
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:49,320
Speaker 1: on my in my pocket, called the cops. Somebody just

2044
01:46:49,439 --> 01:46:54,000
Speaker 1: robbing around the car. Now them days, you can't do it.

2045
01:46:54,120 --> 01:46:56,679
Speaker 1: No spending it too much. But I kept a station

2046
01:46:56,880 --> 01:46:58,519
Speaker 1: just screaming my name, like I gotta spend it. I

2047
01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:00,439
Speaker 1: don't be having no money, all credit cards for me,

2048
01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:05,000
Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't shoes is my thing and

2049
01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:06,960
Speaker 1: bags too. Oh yeah, I get you know, I keep

2050
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:09,320
Speaker 1: a little up here. You got all the dope bags.

2051
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:13,040
Speaker 1: But that's but that's what And I tell people there's

2052
01:47:13,080 --> 01:47:15,920
Speaker 1: like say I saved to a certain extent. I do,

2053
01:47:16,479 --> 01:47:18,760
Speaker 1: I said, but I want my my, my money and

2054
01:47:18,880 --> 01:47:20,679
Speaker 1: my last breath to run out. At the same time,

2055
01:47:21,439 --> 01:47:23,479
Speaker 1: I said, what about being joy? Why I gotta leave

2056
01:47:23,560 --> 01:47:28,040
Speaker 1: everything for everybody else to join? Yes, but people don't

2057
01:47:28,040 --> 01:47:30,200
Speaker 1: realize we get a lot of ship free to what

2058
01:47:30,280 --> 01:47:33,200
Speaker 1: do you get? Who? Who? You? Who? Cook? He does not?

2059
01:47:33,320 --> 01:47:36,680
Speaker 1: The ship you got. Jack does a begging section. That's

2060
01:47:36,720 --> 01:47:38,360
Speaker 1: where we're getting all this ship for frest. But all right,

2061
01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:40,479
Speaker 1: I didn't. I don't have to beg him today because

2062
01:47:40,479 --> 01:47:42,439
Speaker 1: I asked him for the jersey supposed to get from

2063
01:47:42,520 --> 01:47:45,240
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson jersey. I wouldn't say he had pulled the

2064
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:48,160
Speaker 1: Baltimore raby, but I got to get my jersey. You're

2065
01:47:48,160 --> 01:47:50,240
Speaker 1: gonna get the jersey bag? I don't know. I might

2066
01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:55,800
Speaker 1: have to call who can I call Ghostbusters that I

2067
01:47:55,880 --> 01:47:59,679
Speaker 1: get it? I get the jersey. I got pooled you Baltimore. Yeah,

2068
01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:08,559
Speaker 1: did play Speaking of Labar Jackson coming from an era

2069
01:48:08,640 --> 01:48:13,000
Speaker 1: where there was Doug Williams war Moon Randall cutting him.

2070
01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:14,920
Speaker 1: A few other mixed then, but those are only real

2071
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:17,080
Speaker 1: prominent ones. I hope I'm not missing anybody too. And

2072
01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:20,439
Speaker 1: emergence at the black quarterback today it's unbelievable because you

2073
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:22,680
Speaker 1: look at the m v P guys. You look at

2074
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:25,040
Speaker 1: Lamar one, you look at Patrick Mahomes, you look at

2075
01:48:25,120 --> 01:48:30,439
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson because you know you're trying out to throw

2076
01:48:30,520 --> 01:48:33,280
Speaker 1: that in that But you waited till I said his name.

2077
01:48:33,880 --> 01:48:37,360
Speaker 1: You know how you'd be hating on that man. I mean,

2078
01:48:37,479 --> 01:48:39,840
Speaker 1: I had to say his name for you. He was

2079
01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:44,560
Speaker 1: like he liked the field best brother quarterbacks that pod no,

2080
01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:47,919
Speaker 1: but don't. But but what you see what's happening. Defensives

2081
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:52,560
Speaker 1: are getting faster, the field has spread more uhas, So

2082
01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:55,240
Speaker 1: now you need guys that can get out of harm

2083
01:48:55,280 --> 01:48:57,599
Speaker 1: the way, get outside and make plays in the pocket.

2084
01:48:57,880 --> 01:49:01,559
Speaker 1: Not saying the statue quarterback, but it's it's getting away

2085
01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:04,680
Speaker 1: from them. And the NFL is a copycat league. They

2086
01:49:04,720 --> 01:49:07,679
Speaker 1: see the success Lamar, they see the success from Patrick

2087
01:49:07,720 --> 01:49:11,000
Speaker 1: Mahomes and Deshaun Watson and Russell eat Cam with m

2088
01:49:11,080 --> 01:49:13,559
Speaker 1: v P a few years ago. So now they's like, well,

2089
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:17,720
Speaker 1: hold on. Instead of getting these guys and try to

2090
01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:20,320
Speaker 1: make him conform to what we think is normal, how

2091
01:49:20,360 --> 01:49:22,560
Speaker 1: about we get these athletic guys that can throw the

2092
01:49:22,600 --> 01:49:25,560
Speaker 1: football and put them in systems that conduce it for

2093
01:49:25,640 --> 01:49:29,719
Speaker 1: what they do. John Harbor, they drafted Lamar Jackson instead

2094
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:32,200
Speaker 1: of trying to make him a pocket passer. Let's put

2095
01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:35,160
Speaker 1: him in a system where he can flourish. Okay, they

2096
01:49:35,200 --> 01:49:37,000
Speaker 1: have the best record, he wins the m v P.

2097
01:49:37,479 --> 01:49:41,080
Speaker 1: He's only gonna get better. So I think the thing

2098
01:49:41,280 --> 01:49:44,240
Speaker 1: was for the longest time, people don't really coaches, really

2099
01:49:44,280 --> 01:49:46,599
Speaker 1: don't want to coach. They want to be lazy. See,

2100
01:49:46,680 --> 01:49:48,280
Speaker 1: to get a guy with have that kind of bility,

2101
01:49:48,320 --> 01:49:50,720
Speaker 1: you gotta coach. You gotta put an implemental system in

2102
01:49:50,920 --> 01:49:52,600
Speaker 1: and you gotta coach it up. They just want to

2103
01:49:52,640 --> 01:49:55,040
Speaker 1: just plug the guy. Look, everybody can't be Aaron Rodgers.

2104
01:49:55,160 --> 01:49:58,120
Speaker 1: Everybody can't be a tarm Braider, Paid Manning. Do some coaching.

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01:49:58,680 --> 01:50:00,880
Speaker 1: And what we're seeing now, man, it's great. I love

2106
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:02,680
Speaker 1: seeing that. I just because there are a lot of

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01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:06,080
Speaker 1: guys that was before these guys that could have done this,

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01:50:06,920 --> 01:50:09,680
Speaker 1: but they didn't get the opportunities. You know, Warren Moon

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01:50:09,800 --> 01:50:12,200
Speaker 1: had to go to Canada for five years. He went

2110
01:50:12,360 --> 01:50:14,360
Speaker 1: five years of his life where he could have been

2111
01:50:14,400 --> 01:50:18,439
Speaker 1: down here playing in the NFL. But now guys are,

2112
01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:21,439
Speaker 1: they're showing that they deserve an opportunity, and guys are

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01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:24,960
Speaker 1: cashing in those opportunities. And you see these guys the limits.

2114
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:26,960
Speaker 1: We see all these guys were in the playoffs last year,

2115
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:29,479
Speaker 1: with excepting that, but that has been in the playoffs

2116
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:31,400
Speaker 1: two or four years. He's been in the league and

2117
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:34,400
Speaker 1: he's only going to get better. So with that said,

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01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:39,240
Speaker 1: do you think we'll see an emergence of black executives,

2119
01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:43,120
Speaker 1: black head coaches, black more behind the scenes. Well, that's

2120
01:50:43,120 --> 01:50:45,920
Speaker 1: what you need. You need, you need, you need black

2121
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:50,639
Speaker 1: guys that's in position of hiring, so they'll hire others that. Look,

2122
01:50:50,840 --> 01:50:54,479
Speaker 1: it's funny that we got seven, you know, black players

2123
01:50:54,479 --> 01:50:56,400
Speaker 1: in the league and we only got a handful of

2124
01:50:56,439 --> 01:51:00,559
Speaker 1: black coaches. But you know, most times and not when

2125
01:51:00,600 --> 01:51:02,960
Speaker 1: you interview somebody, you interview somebody that looks like you,

2126
01:51:03,120 --> 01:51:06,920
Speaker 1: it sounds like you, thinks like you, and it takes

2127
01:51:07,040 --> 01:51:10,800
Speaker 1: it takes something special to branch outside of that. What

2128
01:51:10,960 --> 01:51:14,280
Speaker 1: you're comfortable with, what's what seems to be normal. Uh,

2129
01:51:14,479 --> 01:51:18,240
Speaker 1: you know, and hopefully we start to see that that's

2130
01:51:18,240 --> 01:51:21,719
Speaker 1: what we need. We need guys and manage and management roles.

2131
01:51:22,479 --> 01:51:25,320
Speaker 1: That's gonna take our opportunity and give guys a fair shape.

2132
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:28,720
Speaker 1: And when a guy doesn't win the super Bowl in

2133
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:33,960
Speaker 1: his first year, don't canny because you know, because when

2134
01:51:34,240 --> 01:51:36,880
Speaker 1: they get black, guys get caned, babe, they don't resurface

2135
01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:42,600
Speaker 1: like it ain't it ain't the normal. Just can they

2136
01:51:42,680 --> 01:51:47,320
Speaker 1: go get the trash trash, take it to the field smash.

2137
01:51:51,400 --> 01:51:53,639
Speaker 1: You can't take those chances too many bad, you know, uh,

2138
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:55,960
Speaker 1: you know, particularly white coach can have four or five

2139
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:58,120
Speaker 1: losing seasons and still find a job of black if

2140
01:51:58,160 --> 01:52:01,439
Speaker 1: he gets somewhere. Black coach has one of two bast

2141
01:52:01,479 --> 01:52:04,280
Speaker 1: seasons and you might need you either a lifetime assistant

2142
01:52:04,360 --> 01:52:06,719
Speaker 1: or find a new job type situation. So it's unfortunate

2143
01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:12,040
Speaker 1: Barry quick Hitters starts going towards the playoffs. Battle of

2144
01:52:12,200 --> 01:52:15,439
Speaker 1: l A. You already know what but I know, But

2145
01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:19,760
Speaker 1: but sometimes you say you talk with common sense him.

2146
01:52:20,040 --> 01:52:22,559
Speaker 1: I don't know if y'all noticed. Y'all know y'all didn't

2147
01:52:22,600 --> 01:52:24,240
Speaker 1: noticed later, but they ain't know of my business only

2148
01:52:24,280 --> 01:52:26,320
Speaker 1: But y'all brought it up, so we're gonna talk about it. Yeah,

2149
01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:29,080
Speaker 1: y'all want to happen. Now he brought the forty piece.

2150
01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:33,080
Speaker 1: Now he's starting. Now he still can get downhill easily,

2151
01:52:33,479 --> 01:52:36,160
Speaker 1: still can post easily. And now he didn't added forty

2152
01:52:36,200 --> 01:52:40,720
Speaker 1: four to resume. That's incredible. I think to me, it's

2153
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:43,479
Speaker 1: hard to say that Janice and leaps and bounds ahead

2154
01:52:43,479 --> 01:52:46,040
Speaker 1: of Lebron from the stand, I think Kendrick Purgris might

2155
01:52:46,080 --> 01:52:48,799
Speaker 1: have said something like this because we always devalue Lebron's

2156
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:50,680
Speaker 1: greatness in the East because it was the East. The

2157
01:52:50,760 --> 01:52:53,479
Speaker 1: East is something they say, East is weaker than the West.

2158
01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:55,720
Speaker 1: But if you take Lebron, take a look at the

2159
01:52:55,720 --> 01:52:57,200
Speaker 1: team last year when he was hurting, what they did.

2160
01:52:57,439 --> 01:52:59,439
Speaker 1: Obviously getting a D is a huge help, but they

2161
01:52:59,479 --> 01:53:03,600
Speaker 1: went from dogshit the first place in the West, you

2162
01:53:03,640 --> 01:53:06,560
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So you gotta you know this

2163
01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:08,760
Speaker 1: is how you know le Bron to go the guy

2164
01:53:08,920 --> 01:53:11,160
Speaker 1: that he traded in New Orleans and the guy he

2165
01:53:11,240 --> 01:53:14,479
Speaker 1: traded me for. That's what everybody say. So I'm a coach.

2166
01:53:15,400 --> 01:53:18,080
Speaker 1: The guy that Lebron went to went to New Orleans,

2167
01:53:18,800 --> 01:53:22,840
Speaker 1: b Alonzo Josh Hard and now they got Zion. Lebron

2168
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:26,320
Speaker 1: went back their minus a D and beat them. That's

2169
01:53:26,360 --> 01:53:29,439
Speaker 1: how you know you're good. Lo Cleveland, How Cleveland? How

2170
01:53:29,479 --> 01:53:32,600
Speaker 1: Cleveland looking at with Lebron. Lebron had maybe less and

2171
01:53:32,720 --> 01:53:34,960
Speaker 1: took that to the finals, and the lake is good

2172
01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:36,400
Speaker 1: this year. I got a lot to do with a D.

2173
01:53:36,520 --> 01:53:40,559
Speaker 1: Don't do that. I'm not doing a D special, but don't.

2174
01:53:40,600 --> 01:53:48,040
Speaker 1: Don't you try to do you can't do that. That's it.

2175
01:53:48,479 --> 01:53:50,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he's not supposed to be playing like this

2176
01:53:50,479 --> 01:53:53,880
Speaker 1: in year seventeen. He's not. You're not supposed to be

2177
01:53:54,280 --> 01:53:57,400
Speaker 1: leading it m v P, leading the league and assist

2178
01:53:57,479 --> 01:54:01,519
Speaker 1: the year seventeen johns opt him led the league and

2179
01:54:02,360 --> 01:54:05,599
Speaker 1: his last year with year twelve, john Stock could played

2180
01:54:05,680 --> 01:54:14,280
Speaker 1: nineteen years. He wasn't six. Yeah, jump and winning and

2181
01:54:14,400 --> 01:54:17,280
Speaker 1: winning and giving fold to Biddy. He's gonna be dropping

2182
01:54:17,320 --> 01:54:20,760
Speaker 1: on thirty four point triple doubles, getting forty pieces and

2183
01:54:20,840 --> 01:54:30,240
Speaker 1: he's still elevating you. Yeah, but all this now too. Yeah,

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01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:33,400
Speaker 1: I love it. I said at the very beginning of season,

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01:54:33,480 --> 01:54:36,360
Speaker 1: if he's in a position to where a D is

2186
01:54:36,440 --> 01:54:38,560
Speaker 1: sort of like Jack said, a D is kind of

2187
01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:40,880
Speaker 1: the focal point that this part of the season in

2188
01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:42,680
Speaker 1: the playoffs. He's gonna be at his best. You know,

2189
01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:44,200
Speaker 1: I think he did a good job of riding the

2190
01:54:44,240 --> 01:54:46,520
Speaker 1: team and kind of understanding showing flashes here and there

2191
01:54:46,600 --> 01:54:48,320
Speaker 1: during the season and obviously what he can do. But

2192
01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:50,800
Speaker 1: to me, he just managed the game so much better

2193
01:54:50,920 --> 01:54:53,360
Speaker 1: this year. He made sure everyone else got involved. He

2194
01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:55,440
Speaker 1: made sure a d knows, my fucker, we're gonna come

2195
01:54:55,520 --> 01:54:58,120
Speaker 1: to you and April and may so get ready now

2196
01:54:58,200 --> 01:55:00,280
Speaker 1: in December, you know what I mean? So he to me,

2197
01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:04,760
Speaker 1: his management of the whole season has been brilliant. Talk

2198
01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:06,280
Speaker 1: to me where you think real quick before we get

2199
01:55:06,320 --> 01:55:09,840
Speaker 1: back off the track, Mike, Kobe, Lebron, where they at?

2200
01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:11,920
Speaker 1: For you? I'm about to go. You know, God, James

2201
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:14,960
Speaker 1: he's one because for me is that you look at

2202
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:18,360
Speaker 1: the totality you see everybody. It's like it's almost I

2203
01:55:18,400 --> 01:55:20,680
Speaker 1: even hate talking about, you know, Kobe and Lebron because

2204
01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:23,240
Speaker 1: anytime you talk about Code Lebron, Georgie Sex and on

2205
01:55:23,400 --> 01:55:27,480
Speaker 1: the finals, Cobe got more championships that they always got,

2206
01:55:27,760 --> 01:55:30,240
Speaker 1: always got something to say. But somebody, I mean eight

2207
01:55:30,280 --> 01:55:35,720
Speaker 1: straight finals, eight straight and the best player I mean

2208
01:55:35,800 --> 01:55:39,160
Speaker 1: he looked I mean that last year and and uh

2209
01:55:39,520 --> 01:55:45,000
Speaker 1: in Cleveland. Come on, man, they had no business, they

2210
01:55:45,080 --> 01:55:48,760
Speaker 1: had no business being in the finals except for that

2211
01:55:48,840 --> 01:55:52,120
Speaker 1: man greatness. And and look when you look at when

2212
01:55:52,160 --> 01:55:57,000
Speaker 1: you look at teams that he's lost to, those Warriors,

2213
01:55:57,080 --> 01:56:00,800
Speaker 1: teams of all the championship teams that might be wanted,

2214
01:56:00,840 --> 01:56:05,800
Speaker 1: the top five best, and Lebron Lebron lost to the Warriors.

2215
01:56:06,160 --> 01:56:09,560
Speaker 1: Really everybody else did too. So so we expected Lebron

2216
01:56:10,360 --> 01:56:14,880
Speaker 1: to beat Lebron and Jr. And that and Rodney Hood

2217
01:56:15,240 --> 01:56:17,960
Speaker 1: and Geordan Clarkson and George Hill. We expected him to

2218
01:56:18,040 --> 01:56:27,840
Speaker 1: be Katie Steph Clay Draymond really and Steve Kerry. And

2219
01:56:27,880 --> 01:56:30,520
Speaker 1: when he lost, he lost to San Antonio. So what

2220
01:56:30,560 --> 01:56:33,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna do with Tim? So Tim Duncan, There's no question.

2221
01:56:33,400 --> 01:56:36,200
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan is the greatest part Forard ever breathe. And

2222
01:56:36,280 --> 01:56:38,880
Speaker 1: so he asked Tony Parker he had Manoa. I was

2223
01:56:39,000 --> 01:56:41,520
Speaker 1: just coming onto the scene and he had Pop. So

2224
01:56:41,680 --> 01:56:45,400
Speaker 1: he losed that, And like, so what team that Jordan

2225
01:56:45,440 --> 01:56:49,640
Speaker 1: never played? That was that good question? I think Troy

2226
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:54,960
Speaker 1: teams were good. They were the Warriors good. Yeah, no, no, no,

2227
01:56:56,160 --> 01:56:59,240
Speaker 1: I'll tell your team that was good, Big three Celtics.

2228
01:56:59,560 --> 01:57:03,240
Speaker 1: This is when they prying remember them when they were

2229
01:57:03,280 --> 01:57:06,839
Speaker 1: a Warrior's good? There's level the good they was champions?

2230
01:57:07,360 --> 01:57:11,320
Speaker 1: Were the Warriors good? Okay? Which one, Katie? I would

2231
01:57:11,360 --> 01:57:14,240
Speaker 1: have known that? How many Hall of famers on that team?

2232
01:57:14,560 --> 01:57:18,160
Speaker 1: Who that Pistons team? The same amount of as as

2233
01:57:18,280 --> 01:57:21,560
Speaker 1: as the Warriors. Look, I'm just ask a questioning, chu

2234
01:57:22,440 --> 01:57:26,520
Speaker 1: you who's your Who's are you talking about about? Dan

2235
01:57:26,600 --> 01:57:29,520
Speaker 1: was talking about Jordans. Are you talk about Lebron? But

2236
01:57:29,560 --> 01:57:32,760
Speaker 1: I hear but here the Jordan play nobody like like them? No, no, no,

2237
01:57:33,320 --> 01:57:35,400
Speaker 1: the detruit come on that Dad for Hall of Famers?

2238
01:57:35,880 --> 01:57:38,200
Speaker 1: So which which one of those Hall of Fames? Look

2239
01:57:38,360 --> 01:57:40,520
Speaker 1: there looked as a guy in the Hall of Fame.

2240
01:57:40,760 --> 01:57:45,400
Speaker 1: There's level the Hall of Fame. There's there's like in

2241
01:57:45,400 --> 01:57:47,080
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. No, I had better numbers than

2242
01:57:47,160 --> 01:57:50,360
Speaker 1: him as far as points. But here's keep a real stack.

2243
01:57:50,600 --> 01:57:53,680
Speaker 1: There's like Jim Brown, Joe Montana Hall of Fame. You

2244
01:57:53,760 --> 01:57:55,600
Speaker 1: know that there's there's rooms to it. You know you

2245
01:57:55,680 --> 01:57:57,680
Speaker 1: go to the todj MA Hall, they're rooms in the

2246
01:57:57,760 --> 01:58:02,280
Speaker 1: todj MA Hall. Everything everything is housed in one room.

2247
01:58:02,680 --> 01:58:07,520
Speaker 1: So there's levels of this. The KD Katy, you talking

2248
01:58:07,560 --> 01:58:09,520
Speaker 1: about the top ten player. What it's all said done,

2249
01:58:09,560 --> 01:58:14,800
Speaker 1: he might be creeping down to five. Stephen Curry, Steph Curry, No, no,

2250
01:58:14,920 --> 01:58:18,000
Speaker 1: you know who's gonna be leaves going here? Man, you're

2251
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:21,040
Speaker 1: gonna get it. I don't. I don't think you see

2252
01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:25,400
Speaker 1: how many consecutive seasons he's had, like Katie, the points

2253
01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:27,680
Speaker 1: has been putting up. Yeah, but how many points Katie have?

2254
01:58:27,800 --> 01:58:33,760
Speaker 1: Twenty thousand? He got that about now we'll look it up.

2255
01:58:34,080 --> 01:58:36,680
Speaker 1: But think about what God, that go about to be

2256
01:58:36,760 --> 01:58:39,600
Speaker 1: a faulty. So I need another four years at points

2257
01:58:39,680 --> 01:58:45,080
Speaker 1: or something three forty thousand. So the man's gonna be

2258
01:58:45,160 --> 01:58:47,560
Speaker 1: top ten, he's gonna be number one point, top five

2259
01:58:47,640 --> 01:58:50,640
Speaker 1: and the top ten and reaps come on. I think

2260
01:58:50,720 --> 01:58:53,240
Speaker 1: that's that's that's where I think people misunderstood that we're

2261
01:58:53,280 --> 01:58:56,520
Speaker 1: talking about the past. First player, Yes, asked for dude,

2262
01:58:56,560 --> 01:58:59,200
Speaker 1: that's in the top ten and assist, but still moving up,

2263
01:58:59,320 --> 01:59:02,160
Speaker 1: moving that for a second pass first, I want to

2264
01:59:02,200 --> 01:59:04,560
Speaker 1: pass you the ball first. But then I still got

2265
01:59:04,680 --> 01:59:07,400
Speaker 1: more points and still it's still having your twenty. Because

2266
01:59:07,400 --> 01:59:10,000
Speaker 1: I watched him the other night against the Pelican and

2267
01:59:10,080 --> 01:59:12,160
Speaker 1: he goes off in the first half. He has nineteen

2268
01:59:12,640 --> 01:59:14,200
Speaker 1: but now he comes out in the third quarter, he

2269
01:59:14,240 --> 01:59:17,040
Speaker 1: makes a conscious effort. He's like, you know what I need.

2270
01:59:17,080 --> 01:59:18,760
Speaker 1: I need you guys. I'm gonna need these guys in

2271
01:59:18,800 --> 01:59:20,800
Speaker 1: the thirty managers and games. And then in the fourth

2272
01:59:20,840 --> 01:59:22,560
Speaker 1: quarters says, okay, now you got me here, let me

2273
01:59:22,600 --> 01:59:27,240
Speaker 1: bring let me brains home. I need to see goat plate.

2274
01:59:27,680 --> 01:59:33,160
Speaker 1: When that time you're seeing the play NBA finals one year, Yeah,

2275
01:59:33,360 --> 01:59:38,480
Speaker 1: we went at the Cleveland. You would ye, I did.

2276
01:59:38,560 --> 01:59:41,520
Speaker 1: I need to get there, but I'm a poor sport. Yeah,

2277
01:59:41,640 --> 01:59:43,440
Speaker 1: because he you know, I you know, I don't want

2278
01:59:43,440 --> 01:59:45,200
Speaker 1: to be around because I go and they lose it

2279
01:59:45,240 --> 01:59:50,240
Speaker 1: and somebody knows me and they're gonna start. When oh,

2280
01:59:50,560 --> 01:59:54,880
Speaker 1: that time, I got like five of them. I got five,

2281
01:59:55,000 --> 01:59:56,840
Speaker 1: I got the whole leader for him. Imight dressing the

2282
01:59:56,880 --> 01:59:59,600
Speaker 1: whole uniform. I might got the mask to the go mask.

2283
02:00:00,520 --> 02:00:04,160
Speaker 1: I'll be at a parade. I'mouna be at a parade

2284
02:00:04,160 --> 02:00:06,240
Speaker 1: in Junie. You gotta get on the bus. Then you

2285
02:00:06,280 --> 02:00:08,440
Speaker 1: know you already know they're gonnain the title thirty six

2286
02:00:08,520 --> 02:00:12,400
Speaker 1: all time right now twenty two thousand points almost twenty

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Speaker 1: three thousands. This is like what your thirteen No, not

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Speaker 1: that many other things. Yeah, no, Russ twelve thirteen is

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Speaker 1: he up in there? Yeah? I Lebron, he gotta be

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Speaker 1: your thirteen. It could be seen. Look at the goat

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Speaker 1: now you know now you know what that is. That's

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Speaker 1: so that sport that's like twelfth is behind goat right now,

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Speaker 1: Katie put up some points now in a hurry. I mean,

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Speaker 1: but I like Katie is because I think him coming

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Speaker 1: off this injury, his his game has never been based

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Speaker 1: off athleticism. Yeah, I mean you take Lebron's athleticism away,

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Speaker 1: that's a lot, but you can't take it away. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's in your seventeen doing he's doing. But the reason

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Speaker 1: why I think Katie has a great run and a

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Speaker 1: great chances because it's never really been based off athleticism

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Speaker 1: for him is jump first. He gonna still be the

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Speaker 1: elevating get it off. He shoots that bay so tall man,

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Speaker 1: that ain't nobody blocking that incredible. I mean that's unfair.

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Speaker 1: That's what's him. For him to be that tall and

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Speaker 1: to be able to shoot, his ability to shoot the

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Speaker 1: ball like that, that's unfair. It's a yeah, what kind

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Speaker 1: of means you listen to me and to Timmy what

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02:01:25,840 --> 02:01:27,360
Speaker 1: kind of music listed first? Then get me a top

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Speaker 1: five artists. I'm old school, bro. See, like guys like

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02:01:30,280 --> 02:01:32,240
Speaker 1: listening to stuff to get them going. I couldn't not

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Speaker 1: pass out, but I tried to listen. I tried about gospel.

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Speaker 1: I'm like old school, not al Green, but you know,

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Speaker 1: like Barry White. I listen to Max Well, Shod day

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Speaker 1: R and b Thu. Yeah, I'm saying you kind of

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Speaker 1: neo soulis then yeah, yeah, because I tried to be

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Speaker 1: like when I played, I tried to listen to stuff,

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02:01:53,800 --> 02:01:56,560
Speaker 1: you know, Tupac and get me gonna pass stop. Yeah,

2318
02:01:56,800 --> 02:01:58,960
Speaker 1: I get too am because I've never had a cup

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02:01:59,000 --> 02:02:01,680
Speaker 1: of coffee. Can you imagine me on comfee? I never did.

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Speaker 1: I like, Okay, so I get too pumped up. So

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Speaker 1: I need something to like just keep me going. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I I mean, I know all these artists. I know

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Speaker 1: the Baby and Little Baby, and I know yeah the

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Speaker 1: Weason my guy. Yeah that's that's my guy. But I

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02:02:16,520 --> 02:02:19,440
Speaker 1: gotta slow it down too much for your heart? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm too I get to to to wrapped up. Yeah already. Gee.

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02:02:24,480 --> 02:02:27,560
Speaker 1: Top five sneakers. I know you're a big sneaker. That's

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Speaker 1: what you want when a lot of your money goes

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02:02:29,360 --> 02:02:32,360
Speaker 1: a lot of money goes sneakers. You're a Jordan one guy,

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Speaker 1: for sure. It's hard to go wrong with the Jordan one.

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02:02:36,080 --> 02:02:38,040
Speaker 1: It's hard to go wrong. Um, I got the Frags

2332
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Speaker 1: on today. I like that. I like the Duck series.

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02:02:41,040 --> 02:02:43,960
Speaker 1: Anything that they do with the Ducks, that's what that's.

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02:02:44,200 --> 02:02:47,520
Speaker 1: Everybody wants that shoe. Um. I like the Lebron m

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Speaker 1: v P pack. I like the Lebron South Beaches. I

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02:02:51,560 --> 02:02:59,200
Speaker 1: like the Jordan's Jordan to the original, so you know

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Speaker 1: he's sneaker of the name. Yeah, yeah, I like that.

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02:03:03,200 --> 02:03:05,760
Speaker 1: I like the three. You know, most people love it

2339
02:03:06,160 --> 02:03:08,280
Speaker 1: if you speak your head. Most people love the Jordan one.

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02:03:08,640 --> 02:03:10,240
Speaker 1: I like the three. I like threes and fours. I

2341
02:03:10,360 --> 02:03:12,000
Speaker 1: like the three. I like the three. Yeah, yeah, like

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02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:14,360
Speaker 1: the threes, like the fours. It's hard to go wrong

2343
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Speaker 1: with Jordan's. Um and I wear a lot of Jordan's.

2344
02:03:17,680 --> 02:03:20,960
Speaker 1: But I got I got Kovid as a matter of fact, Um,

2345
02:03:21,240 --> 02:03:23,120
Speaker 1: I got a pair of Kobe when he was wearing

2346
02:03:23,120 --> 02:03:25,520
Speaker 1: the Harachis. I got the sign from it when he

2347
02:03:25,640 --> 02:03:29,160
Speaker 1: was in Denver played. So you got classic runners too.

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Speaker 1: You got some classic Runners like that I like. I

2349
02:03:32,960 --> 02:03:35,200
Speaker 1: just like shoes, and it's a it's a bad habit

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Speaker 1: to have, it really is. It's very expensive. But everybody

2351
02:03:40,600 --> 02:03:43,280
Speaker 1: got their thing though. Look I ain't got I don't

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02:03:43,320 --> 02:03:45,960
Speaker 1: have a boat. And right now you know I ain't

2353
02:03:45,960 --> 02:03:47,920
Speaker 1: putting nobody else kids through college, you know what I

2354
02:03:47,960 --> 02:03:50,840
Speaker 1: mean by So right now you know I got a

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Speaker 1: little playing, a little bit, a little extra. Boddy got

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02:03:54,880 --> 02:03:57,960
Speaker 1: a little extra. Yeah, So that's my face right now

2357
02:03:58,040 --> 02:04:00,560
Speaker 1: to you know, probably if I find somebody's settled down with,

2358
02:04:00,720 --> 02:04:02,840
Speaker 1: you know, probably sneak a game. But right now you

2359
02:04:02,880 --> 02:04:04,960
Speaker 1: know what I'm looking for. You know I hadn't found it, yea,

2360
02:04:05,080 --> 02:04:07,520
Speaker 1: but I'm looking looking. Speaking of that, who's I mean?

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Speaker 1: Single man? You know what I mean? Out here in

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Speaker 1: l A well dressed kicks kick me. Ain't kicks do

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Speaker 1: what they do? Who just celebrity crush? I didn't match.

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Speaker 1: I don't mean to rept you, but ask him. I

2365
02:04:17,200 --> 02:04:22,200
Speaker 1: didn't show them so many deals. People hitting me about him.

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02:04:23,720 --> 02:04:25,760
Speaker 1: This is what I tell women that I go out

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Speaker 1: on a date with. I said, this junction in my life.

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02:04:28,120 --> 02:04:30,839
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm looking for someone to partner with, not sponsor.

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02:04:31,880 --> 02:04:34,800
Speaker 1: I gotta bring something to the table. So that's where

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Speaker 1: I am in my life. I understand. Look, you ain't.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying you don't need to make two hundred thousand,

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02:04:41,840 --> 02:04:45,200
Speaker 1: but just something contribute. Buy me a gilt, but not

2373
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Speaker 1: with my money. Yeah, you know what I'm sayin you

2374
02:04:50,440 --> 02:04:52,880
Speaker 1: don't do no buy me a pair of sneakers, don't

2375
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Speaker 1: mind me. Don't buy cologne. I don't work alone, so

2376
02:04:56,120 --> 02:04:58,680
Speaker 1: because I haven't worn cologne and probably thirty five years,

2377
02:04:58,680 --> 02:05:02,840
Speaker 1: I don't work alone. But buy me something with your money.

2378
02:05:03,480 --> 02:05:06,160
Speaker 1: If it's nothing but a Lululemon shirt, I'm cool with that.

2379
02:05:06,760 --> 02:05:08,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, but don't you how you gonna use my

2380
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Speaker 1: money to bout me? Give and say I got you something, baby,

2381
02:05:12,640 --> 02:05:15,400
Speaker 1: know you picked out something. You didn't get me anything.

2382
02:05:15,480 --> 02:05:18,120
Speaker 1: You picked it out. But you know that's that's the

2383
02:05:18,160 --> 02:05:19,920
Speaker 1: hardest thing. I was in the relationship when I first

2384
02:05:19,920 --> 02:05:22,440
Speaker 1: got out here and that ended, and so it was

2385
02:05:22,560 --> 02:05:25,840
Speaker 1: it was tough and so um putting yourself back out

2386
02:05:25,920 --> 02:05:27,720
Speaker 1: there on the market because I was out. I was

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02:05:27,800 --> 02:05:31,200
Speaker 1: out of the market for ten years. And it's different now,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's you know, I feel like you know

2389
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Speaker 1: what's acceptable? You know, to talk? How do you talk?

2390
02:05:37,680 --> 02:05:39,880
Speaker 1: How do you approach somebody, So I get I get

2391
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Speaker 1: a little nervous because you know, if you say something

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02:05:43,480 --> 02:05:46,160
Speaker 1: that you know, maybe it was that too aggressive or

2393
02:05:46,280 --> 02:05:49,600
Speaker 1: I'm not aggressive enough, and so I it's just hard.

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02:05:49,720 --> 02:05:53,600
Speaker 1: So you know, you just gotta it's tough, man, It's tough.

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Speaker 1: Anybody ain't nobody to choose to me. Did So back

2396
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Speaker 1: to the question who who do you have a celebrity?

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02:06:03,160 --> 02:06:06,520
Speaker 1: Do you have a crush out there? Celebrity crush man?

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02:06:06,560 --> 02:06:10,000
Speaker 1: Everybody in my celebrity crush. Obviously one would be old

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Speaker 1: Nico You know that we cause we don't say the cold,

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Speaker 1: we say Nicole the Cold. I like Reginea Hall. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like I got a girlfriend, I'm out of the market,

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02:06:27,480 --> 02:06:30,000
Speaker 1: but I still like, okay, these are probably like the

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Speaker 1: only ones. And just to see it, man, I mean

2404
02:06:35,000 --> 02:06:38,160
Speaker 1: it comes and goes. I mean sometimes I mean you're

2405
02:06:38,160 --> 02:06:42,040
Speaker 1: being this mood where you like, you know and thick,

2406
02:06:42,160 --> 02:06:44,839
Speaker 1: and then the manute you like five too and petite,

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02:06:45,240 --> 02:06:48,920
Speaker 1: So it just you know, yeah, I just I just

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02:06:49,000 --> 02:06:51,440
Speaker 1: want to look. I just want to find somebody and

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Speaker 1: be able to come home to and say and when

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Speaker 1: I come home, baby, I'm home. And when she when

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Speaker 1: she comes home bababy, I'm home and I get a kid.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm looking making. The other bester's yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking. I'm looking for somebody to grow with. Jack

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Speaker 1: has found that ye ain't married yet, but I'm definitely. Yeah,

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02:07:07,920 --> 02:07:09,440
Speaker 1: you're married yet. You just ain't made it up. You

2416
02:07:09,520 --> 02:07:12,760
Speaker 1: just ain't you're married? Well you hey, you live with

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Speaker 1: somebody alone, you literally get mad. All right, facts man,

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Speaker 1: We want to thank you man for your time today.

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Speaker 1: Coming on really busy man. That's a wrap. All the smoke,

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, shinning sharp Uncle Sha Shay. You can

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Speaker 1: catch this on Showtime Basketball, YouTube or all platforms, streaming podcasts.

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Speaker 1: All the boys and we're gonna do something fo to something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah we are. This life is all I ever wanted.

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Speaker 1: I'm not leaving, not yet. I was hoping. It's gotta

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Speaker 1: hit the streets. Make funny people like us. Let's destroy

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