1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: Podcast Playground. Our series of Nashville Taking a Walk episodes 2 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: continues with someone who is on an incredible journey. I'm Buzznight, 3 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 1: your host, and today I'm with someone at the center 4 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: of one of the country format's fastest rising stars. Martha 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: Earle is the manager of Caine Brown, owner of Neon Coast, 6 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: and I'm so grateful that you're taking a walk with 7 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: us today. Thank you for having me, well, thank you 8 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 1: for being here. Describe what we are. First of all, 9 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: this is a pretty remarkable spot. It is. We're in 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: the middle of Nashville right now at Centennial Park, which 11 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: was built when Nashville turned one hundred, and they have 12 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: a replica of the Parthenon, because I believe Nashville is 13 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 1: the Athens of the South. And yeah, it's a beautiful 14 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: park and there's a lot of people and it's kind 15 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: of a breezy afternoon. It's nice. Thank you, Thank you. 16 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: So what are the trials you went through as you 17 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: began your career as a female in this business. I 18 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: mean I expected you to go how much time do 19 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: you have? No? I mean I think you know the 20 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: music industry and if it's too Wendy, we can just 21 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to follow you where we're walking. But no, 22 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 1: I think the music industry is challenging regardless of who 23 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 1: you are, because you're trying to figure out where you fit, 24 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: how you can contribute, how you can add something meaningful 25 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: to people's careers. And I think, honestly, like when I 26 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: first started out, I started music publishing and it was 27 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: the wrong fit for me, and I did it for 28 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: a decade and I didn't It wasn't until I got 29 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: into artist management that I really found my niche and 30 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: what I was good at doing. But did it take 31 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: some real trial and error there? Oh yeah, for sure. 32 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: And there were failures and there were times when it 33 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: was just like, wow, this is so This business is 34 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: so challenging and disappointments and people will let you down, 35 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: and it's hard when you're the product that you're working 36 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: on is a person, you know, and that sometimes makes 37 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: things a little bit more complicated. For sure, makes things 38 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: more complicated. Then also, you know, I have two children, 39 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: and I have a family, and I also have all 40 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: those things trying to navigate and balance them as well. 41 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: But were there people early on that really in a 42 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: good way got inside your head to be helpful as 43 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: you were starting out. Definitely. I think when I first started, 44 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: I was Tim Whipperman is the first person that hired me. 45 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: He hired me at Warner Chapel, and I remember whenever 46 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:01,679 Speaker 1: I wanted to do some thing, sign and act, work 47 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: with an artist, whatever it was, he would just say, 48 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: go be great, go be great. He didn't second guest 49 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: his staff, he didn't, he didn't, you know, try to 50 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: pull rank on us. He was just a really great 51 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: supporter and believed in us and our talent. And I 52 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: think that shaped me because I started working there when 53 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: I was twenty years old, and so his belief in 54 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: me and everyone else that worked there. Chris Lacey worked 55 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: there with me now she runs Warner Brothers Records. His 56 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: belief in just young executives was really a powerful thing. 57 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: Who are some of the other folks that were really 58 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: key to you? Then Karen Conrad hired me at BMG 59 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: when I first got into the industry. Karen RANBMG, Donna 60 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: Hilly Ransny, Francis Preston ran BMI, Connie Bradley ran ASCAP Like, 61 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: there were a lot of heavy hitting female executives, and 62 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: I do think there's a little bit of a you 63 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: have to see it to be it kind of saying 64 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: it helps. And so having all of those women in 65 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: these high ranking positions when I was nineteen twenty years 66 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: old starting in the music industry, that was really inspiring. 67 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: Were you comfortable at being able to meet up with 68 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: one of these folks and ask them at a particular moment, Hey, 69 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: I got this problem. I need your advice on something. 70 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: I mean, were they always willing to give advice? Then? Yeah, 71 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: I would say I really started searching for advice from 72 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: other people when I started management. And I remember Carrie Edwards, 73 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: who manages Luke Bryan, was really somebody that I went 74 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: to early in my management career and just said, how 75 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: did you navigate this? Because she started working with Luke 76 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: as his publisher and the same capacity that I started 77 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: management was through music publishing. One of the clients we published, 78 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: I became his manager, and that was what happened with 79 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: Carrie and Luke Bryan. And so she definitely was a 80 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: great person for me to model after and was just 81 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: gave a ton of advice, you know, And every now 82 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: and then, like she and I I'll just say, hey, 83 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: have you ever seen this or that? You know, Virginia 84 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: Davis is another manager who's an incredible resource. And these 85 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: are people that have tremendous success but are also very 86 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: forthcoming with their advice, which I appreciate that very much. 87 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: So where is the business today, first of all, when 88 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: it comes to executives and female executives, where is the 89 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: sort of state of it in terms of the way 90 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: people are promoted and treated? And additionally, what's your view 91 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: of the state of females as recording artists in the 92 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: business as well. Yeah, that's an interesting question because I 93 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: would I mean, you would think we would say, oh, 94 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: there are so many more females in in leadership positions 95 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: at these corporations than there were when I started, But 96 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: that's not really the case. I mean, other than Chris 97 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: who's the co head of Warner Brothers Records, Chris Lacey, 98 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: she's really in Nashville, the only female. There's no female 99 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: heads of major publishers, right, no female heads of labels 100 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: except for Chris. So what I noticed is a lot 101 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: of women sort of getting out of the corporate environment 102 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: were and moving into becoming entrepreneurs and so like I 103 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: would say, there are as many incredible female managers in 104 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: Nashville as there are male managers Marion that manages Miranda, 105 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: Janet that manages Maren Carrie that manages Luke and Cole 106 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: Virginia that manages Thomas Rhett. I mean, I could kind 107 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: of Gore's and there's a bunch more. I could go 108 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: on and on. So I think it's really interesting how 109 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: I think that a lot of the females in Nashville 110 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: sort of branched out on their own and become artist 111 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,679 Speaker 1: managers and have created this direct artist manager relationship Bond. 112 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: I think that's where they've really found their space. And 113 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: what about from the artist standpoint? From the artist standpoint again, 114 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: when I came to Nashville, it was Faith Hill, Martina McBride, 115 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: Jody Messina, Jbie O'Neil, the Dixie Chicks. I mean, it 116 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: was all of these like female acts where the Shanaiah. 117 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: Of course we're the biggest artists in the format. And 118 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: then you know, I don't know that you know, musically 119 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: the times changed a little bit, and obviously stylistically things changed, 120 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: and I'm very hopeful that female artists can can find 121 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: their moment again. I would I don't manage a female arist, 122 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: but I would love to. I would that's the next 123 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: thing that I really want to find and sign and 124 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: work with is a female artist. So my sense about 125 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: you is maybe your motto on things is go big 126 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: or go home. Certainly who taught you that? You know? 127 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. We have my friend Rusty Gaston who 128 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: runs Sony Publishing, and Mike Mullinar. We had this thing 129 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 1: even in like our twenties where we'd be like we're 130 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: zero or we're ten, you know, or either zero or ten, 131 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: we're not. There's no there's no middle ground. And for 132 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: some reason, I think that's the that feels like the 133 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: way that a lot of people in the music industry operate. 134 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know. I like to take 135 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: those big swings and and I like to to work 136 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: with things that I think are culturally impactful. Obviously cain 137 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: As Brown is culturally impactful, and I'm really interested in 138 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, and that's what gets me going 139 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: right a purpose. It's a little bit larger than myself. 140 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: So that's just I'm just naturally drawn to that kind 141 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: of stuff. I always have been. It seems like you've 142 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: that's been you over. Yeah, that's just it's just in 143 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: my nature. You're not changing, I don't think. So that's awesome. 144 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: I love that. That's that's so fantastic. So do you 145 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: recall the first you met Kan Brown? I do. I do. So. 146 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: I was working for a guy named Jay Frank who 147 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 1: he's another person honestly that really took a chance in me, 148 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: and and he he believed in me, and there's and 149 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: hired me just believing in me, not necessarily even for 150 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: the job description that he hired me for. And he 151 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: had me come on as a consultant for his company. 152 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: And he had a small independent record label. And then 153 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: one of the guys on that I was helping with, 154 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: and one of the guys on his team had discovered 155 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: Cain on Facebook. And so Jay said, oh, yeah, we 156 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: also have this guy so on Facebook. Don't really know 157 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: what it'll lead to or whatever. And I was like, okay, 158 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: let me meet him. And I met Cain and I 159 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: was like, Jay, all this other stuff you're working on, 160 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: don't worry about it, Like this is the thing that 161 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: matters the most. This is this, Like I get Cain round. 162 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 1: So yeah, it was, uh. We kind of first met 163 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: in the in the first half twenty fifteen, and I 164 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: didn't really become his manager full time until January of 165 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. But as soon as we met, even though 166 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: Kine shy by nature, he just had such a charisma 167 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: and they're like, he's the kind of guy that even 168 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: back then would walk into a restaurant and everybody would 169 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: turn their head and they didn't even know why, you know, 170 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 1: but he just has that magnetism that real true stars have. 171 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: And so I just knew as soon as I met 172 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: and there was something special there immediately. Yes, And has 173 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: anything along the journey surprised you that you thought, maybe 174 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 1: there's no way he could have achieved X or y 175 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: this quickly. You know, nothing has felt unnatural, if that 176 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: makes sense. I mean there are definitely is funny because 177 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: like I don't I don't feel like you can shoot 178 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: too high. So like all the achievements are kind of like, Okay, 179 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: well good, we did that, That's what we were supposed 180 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: to do. But some of the disappointments I think there 181 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: I have, like I'm continually surprised by, you know, like 182 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 1: I'll get disappointed by whatever, not getting a nomination for 183 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: an award or whatever it may be. But but honestly, 184 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: you know, with Kanie's on such a trajectory and he's 185 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: like me, where we don't really ever rest in any success, 186 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: but rather it's almost like an obligation to move on 187 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: and build on it and grow to the next thing. 188 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: It's like a positive restlessness. Yeah, it is a positive restlessness. 189 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: That's a good way to look at it. I'm sure 190 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: you don't always necessarily at certain moments identify it that way, 191 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: but it really is. You're absolutely right. And also too, 192 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: I think it's a sense of urgency that I feel 193 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 1: because you know, I've worked in the music business for 194 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: a decent amount of time and I've seen so many people, 195 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: you know, their careers come and go and I and unfortunately, 196 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: it's an environment where you can't ever relax. You know, 197 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: you can't. You always have to be pushing towards the 198 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: next thing, to keep building on what you have. And 199 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: I think that that's the other thing with both Cane 200 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: and I, it's like we never really like relax, but 201 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: rather have to keep building and growing because you know, 202 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: we know how fleeting all of this can be in 203 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: this business, but in the midst of it all, you 204 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: never fail to know that there's really a joy in 205 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,439 Speaker 1: the middle of all this too, right, Yeah, I mean, 206 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: and it is joyful and it's and it's wonderful to 207 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: see like direct impact on people's lives, you know, outside 208 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: of just ourselves and what we're doing as a team, 209 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: but like fans and people people in an audience or 210 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: people who will say, like, you know, I'm a you know, 211 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: Cane's biracial, and they'll say, I'm a black country singer 212 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: and didn't know if there was a place for me, 213 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: and then I saw what came Brown achieved and it 214 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: made me feel seen and accepted, and that like that 215 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: means everything. It must be gratifying for both. Oh my gosh, yeah, 216 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely. Now do you introduce him to new collaborators 217 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: when possible along the way? I mean, are there people 218 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 1: that you know, maybe you might think he could benefit 219 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: from meeting that are songwriters or just musicians? Yeah, for sure. 220 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: I mean, Kane is has a great A and R sense. Honestly, 221 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: he's as good at that as I am, so better, No, 222 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: I take that back, he's better at it than me. 223 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: But but yeah, I mean, he a lot of the 224 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: collapse because he's done all kinds of things. He's done, 225 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: you know, Marshmallow who's an EDM artist, Khalid who's a 226 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: you know, pop R and b Becky Gee, who's a 227 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: Latin artist. He's done all you know, Chris Young, who's 228 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: as country as he gives. He's done all types of collaborations, 229 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: and honestly, Who'll usually say, wow, I wish this song 230 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: could use a Latin artist on it, and then we'll 231 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: talk about different things, and he knows, he knows as 232 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: much as I do for sure about what's happening right 233 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 1: now in popular music. Do you remember the first concert 234 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: you ever went to? Yeah, and I'm going to date 235 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: myself on this, so I feel like I'm not that 236 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: I'm not terribly concerned. Well to pull disclaimers in front 237 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: of this, but the first concert I ever went to 238 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: was in Williamsport, Pennsylvania. That's where the Little League World Series. 239 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: That's correct, Yeah, that's exactly right. And uh it was 240 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: uh it was Chicago. But it wasn't like Peter Seta. 241 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: It was like a you know, it was like a 242 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: guy like some dudes bringing the songs. You know. I 243 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: could just see the headline for the concert appear in 244 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: Chicago featuring some dude featuring some dude. Yeah, but but 245 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: I have never I've been to a concert, but I 246 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: had known some of those songs from growing up, and 247 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: so it was kind of like it was my serior 248 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: of high school and it was kind of like, oh, okay, 249 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: this is cool. But then I will say, once I 250 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: got to college, I started going to a lot of 251 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: concerts and country concerts especially, and I really like some 252 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: of the early ones. I mean, I saw Garth. I 253 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: saw Garth in when I was in college, Garth in 254 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: Central Park, that big show he did, and that was 255 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: kind of like the first like real show that I 256 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it's as big as it gets, but 257 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: I remember going to that and just because he's such 258 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: an entertainer and you feel his energy and the crowd 259 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: gives it back to him, and that was a pretty 260 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: special experience. Yeah, that was probably a seminal moment. Oh 261 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: my gosh, it was crazy. Yeah, Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah, 262 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: I'll never forget it. And yeah, I was in college 263 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: at MTSU and that concert was over the summer, and 264 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: I think he did on like July seven. Wasn't that 265 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: the seven seventh, seven ninety seven or something like that. Uh. Yeah, 266 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: my friend Mike Mullinar and I were like, we're going 267 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: to go to that concert, and we went to the 268 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: concert in Central Park. Now, Martha, I can't help but 269 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: notice those very cool rides that you have. What are those? 270 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: These are my Fendy sneakers. The Yeah, I love them. 271 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: Those are pretty spectacular. Thank you. My guess is you 272 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: like taking a walk quite a lot, because those seemed 273 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: to be very conducive to taking a walk. I do. 274 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: I do taking a walk, taking a run. I love 275 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: to take a run anytime. So that's your brand of choice. 276 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: Depends on what we're doing. If we're gonna if I'm 277 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: gonna be quick and we're gonna get out there and run. 278 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a Nike person for sure. But one 279 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: of the great positives that came from the pandemic is 280 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: that casual like sportswear became what you can wear any 281 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: day in uh, you know, business settings. So now I 282 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: can just wear fancy tennis shoes to and I know 283 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: nobody can judge me. But you're kind of the boss. 284 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So who's gonna say something, Well, Cane could right, Yeah, 285 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: he likes tennis shoes too, though, so we're in the 286 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: same page. Would he give you a hard time ever 287 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: a break. His wife actually bought these for me for 288 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: Christmas lasts. Well, I love them. I'm sorry to digress, 289 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: but do you like taking a walk to clear your head? 290 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: You're like, like, you know, jammed up at something creatively? 291 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: I do, And I think it's something we don't do enough. 292 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: You know, we lose our connection with nature. It's so 293 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: easy to do right, and people get kind of stuck 294 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,719 Speaker 1: behind their desk, and but I do. I love it. 295 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: I love taking a walk or like on my birthday 296 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,159 Speaker 1: the other day the other day, Yeah, my birthday was 297 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: on Friday, Well, birthday, I told my family. I was like, hey, 298 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna They're like, oh, are you going to sleep in? 299 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: And I said sleep in? Are you crazy? I set 300 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: my alarm and where I live there's like some woods 301 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: and trails and stuff, and I was like, I want 302 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: to go up there and see the sun come up, 303 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: you know, like I love being in nature and moving 304 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: my body. And yeah, honestly, it is interesting, Like it's 305 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,479 Speaker 1: funny how just a change of perspective can clear your 306 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: head or give you great ideas or inspire you that 307 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: we would be normally walking further here. But I'm trying 308 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: to be conducive to the wind the wind scenario. So 309 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: we're sort of sauntering, but sauntering is okay as well. 310 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: At Race, we're staying active, getting our steps in. How 311 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: was King during the pandemic creatively? Was that a time 312 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: that he used to his advantage during the pandemic or disadvantage. 313 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:43,479 Speaker 1: It's hard on everybody, honestly, because it was so like 314 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: he did write songs he didn't like writing. Being creative 315 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: on zoom is really difficult because you need interpersonal collaboration. 316 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: But he you know it, man, it was so hard 317 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: because there was such a time of insecurity, you know, 318 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: wondering what's happening with everybody's career. Is when we have 319 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: community again and have concerts again and what does this 320 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: all mean? And has the tone of things changed? And 321 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: so I think it's difficult to be creative when you're 322 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: you know, your mind is just trying to solve a 323 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: problem that's impossible to solve, you know. So I mean 324 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: we did stay busy though, that was really important, and 325 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: we tried to release a lot of music and maintain 326 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: his presence, you know, in the public eye, and I 327 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: think we did a good job of that, you know, 328 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: I think some artists just disappeared, and I think it 329 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: harmed them when it came back, because you know, time 330 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: to come back and tour again and release music again. 331 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: Because I think that, you know, everything moves so quickly 332 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: in the public consciousness right now, and if you slip 333 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: out of their attention, it's hard to get it back. 334 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 1: It is, though, because things move so fast, you know. 335 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: I mean think about like now we're watching you know, 336 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: like think about this, Like the biggest competitor to network 337 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 1: television is not Netflix or HBO Max, it's TikTok with 338 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: fifteen second videos, and so just people's attention is pulled 339 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: in such different ways right now, it's hard. So you 340 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: have to figure out how to stay in front of 341 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 1: people and stay relevant to their lives. So you you 342 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: mentioned TikTok, and that sort of leads me to the 343 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: question of from your vantage point, can you give me 344 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: sort of an appraisal of how fans are discovering music 345 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: these days and kind of what that means to an 346 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: artist and a manager. Yeah, I mean, I think fans 347 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: discover music in a multitude of ways. And if you 348 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: say it's just one way, you are you're narrowing your 349 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,479 Speaker 1: scope unnecessarily, right, Fans still listen to the radio, Fans 350 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: still want shows on television, Fans still ask their friends 351 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 1: what are you listening to? You know? So, But but 352 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: social media is a very powerful tool for reaching people 353 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: that you might not normally be able to reach. And 354 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: Cain broke on Facebook And what's wild is I remember 355 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: when he first signed his record deal, we had to 356 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: get permission from the label in his contract for him 357 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: to be able to show songs on social media. And 358 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: now they beat me up so much that he's not 359 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: putting them on there enough. So it's like, why, how 360 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,120 Speaker 1: times have changed? But no, it is a wonderful way, 361 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: whether it's TikTok or Instagram or how however fans are 362 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 1: being reached to reach them with your music. I think 363 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: the most important thing is just to find a way 364 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 1: to connect to people, and I mean regardless of how 365 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: it is, you know, and become the sort of the 366 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: soundtrack of their life. What role to curators such as 367 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 1: radio DJs play in that role? Radio DJ's playlist, people 368 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: that make playlists on Spotify or Apple, you know, all 369 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: of those types of things. They play a huge role 370 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: because they determine what people hear. You know, if a 371 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 1: song's being played at two in the morning, not near 372 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: as many people are hearing it as if it's being 373 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: played at a thirty in the morning when they're driving 374 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: to work. So those people play an incredible role. And honestly, 375 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: like in Kine's career, country radio has been great for 376 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: him and it has been a great way to expose 377 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: him to a wider audience. Same with the playlisters. You know, 378 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: he gets great playlisting with Spotify or Apple, and those 379 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: guys are really good partners for us. So if a 380 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: radio executive was listening to this, and there might be 381 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 1: a few the questions based on my past, give them 382 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: a plea to not lose sight of the importance of 383 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: what radio DJs mean. Well, I mean what radio DJ is, 384 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: What what radio means on a local level, you know, 385 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: I think that's part of it too, I mean what 386 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: radio means for artists and touring. It's all so critical 387 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 1: because it's like radio, especially in the country format, but 388 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 1: in the pop format too, because you know, Caine has 389 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: had three top ten pop hits and five top twenty 390 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: pop hits. We like it is, it's it. It matters, 391 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: and it matters to people, and it's in music is 392 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: the soundtrack to these people's lives? You know it's critical, Yeah, 393 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: it's critical. And music as a soundtrack to people's lives. 394 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: Can you elaborate further on why music is so special 395 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: in that regard in our lives? Like what you know? 396 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: Like yeah, like you know this goes back to you know, 397 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: cave men and women you should tell yes, yeah, because 398 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: I think that that music is able to elicit the 399 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: emotion that you're feeling but don't necessarily know how to 400 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: find words to express. And so people feel seen when 401 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: there's a song playing that is that like completely identifies 402 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: how they're feeling at that time, and that is such 403 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: a gift. And music can save people's lives. Music can 404 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: change people's lives. And that's like, as corny as it sounds, 405 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 1: it's completely true. I remember I worked with a songwriter 406 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: very early in my career. His name's David Vincent Williams, 407 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: and he wrote a song. It was one of Rascal 408 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: Flat's first hits called I'm Moving On. And if you 409 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,479 Speaker 1: look at the lyrics time moving On, they're pretty weighty 410 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: and heavy. And I remember he had and I ended 411 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: up winning ACM Song of the Year, but he had 412 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: people tell them, hey, I was I was thinking about 413 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: I was in a an abusive relationship and hearing this 414 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: song and hearing the lyrics of these songs, this song 415 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: gave me the confidence to move on with my life. 416 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,719 Speaker 1: And when you can impact people in that way in 417 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: three minutes and thirty seconds, that's that's pretty incredible. It 418 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: really is. It's a beautiful thing. Yeah, I mean, boy, 419 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: I think it lifts you up and brings you down. Yeah, 420 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: you know your car, that last mile on the treadmill, 421 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: it does everything for you. It's unbelievable. It really is special. 422 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: So do you have a road map over the three 423 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: or four years ahead for where you want a Neon 424 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: to be and king to be? And what are you thinking? 425 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: That's a great question. I think. I think with Kin specifically, 426 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: I think we need to just continue to expose him 427 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: to a wider and wider audience, because when people are 428 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: exposed to him and his music, they become fans. He's 429 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: very sticky in that respect, you know, And so I 430 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 1: definitely think, I definitely think for Kin is just continuing 431 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,360 Speaker 1: to expose them on as large as a scale as possible. 432 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: I think for my company, I would like I want, 433 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: I want all the other the other man there's there 434 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: are other managers that we have on the team that 435 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: work with me on other clients. I want them to 436 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: succeed as much as our clients. So I want to 437 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: keep working on developing talent. And we have a couple 438 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: of artists right now, russells Road, Dylan Schneider Nightly that 439 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: are growing and I'm excited to see them start to 440 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: blossom in their careers. And then I want to I'd 441 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: like to sign more talent, and I'd like to continue 442 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 1: to be a little bit innovative. We we did a concert, 443 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: Caine did a concert, was part of a festival concert 444 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 1: in Roadbox right, and so moving into that metaweb three world, 445 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: how does that integrate with the traditional music industry's I 446 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: want to be curious about those things that I don't 447 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: necessarily understand fully and learn more and learn how we 448 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: can use those things to help our artists. Thanks for 449 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: the lessons in leadership and inspiration and a great path 450 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: to success, Martha, and thanks for taking a walk with me. 451 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. Taking a walk with Buzznight 452 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: is available on Spotify, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get 453 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 1: your podcasts.