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Hey everybody, Welcome to 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.960 the Large nerdron Collider podcast, the podcast that's all about 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.360 the geeky things happening in the world around us and 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:49.360 how excited we are about them. I'm Ariel Castion, and 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:52.640 with me, as always is my super awesome, super original 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:57.160 co host Jonathan Strickland. Hey, Ariel, I got I got 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:05.320 an original idea. I'm gonna ask you a question. You're 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.880 a bad guy in a Scooby Doo cartoon. What sort 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:13.520 of abandoned structure or location is your home base of operations? Uh? 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:20.040 Functional yet uh not inhabited? Called Stone Creamery. Okay, that's 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:23.760 that's a good answer. I like it. Yeah, you're just 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:29.320 like the marble slab it's still cold. It's a nice 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:34.760 twist on the it's still warm trope. I like it. Excellent. Alright, 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:39.560 so we know, oh me, uh an abandoned Renaissance festival site. 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:43.760 I like that. We're yeah, we're both like, it's abandoned. Well, 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:45.800 it has to be. It has to because that's like 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:49.280 that's the trope, right, that's always the old abandoned amusement 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:53.960 park or the old abandoned train station. So so my 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.400 reasoning is because I just want to be able to 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:59.960 make ice cream to fuel, my villainy, What is your 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:03.880 reason to be behind it? Because rens, I love Renaissance 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:07.960 festivals if it weren't for all those dang people. Uh, 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:11.120 that is not true, sir. The best part of the 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:16.480 Renaissance festival is the people, because otherwise you can't entertain them. True. 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.240 And you and I have spent more than enough time 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:23.480 on a more or less abandoned Renaissance Festival site for 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:27.440 rehearsals and stuff where it's just the cast, and it 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.560 does get creepy. But that's uh, that's enough of all that. 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:34.480 Now we know where are our villainous Scooby Do characters 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:37.800 would reside. Let us move on to what we have 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.720 to talk about today. Yeah, and the first thing we 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:43.240 want to talk about, and almost the most important thing 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:46.800 to me is One Division. Because One Division came out 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:50.360 last week and Jonathan and I both watched it, so 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:54.280 the first two episodes, we should say the first two episodes, 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:59.320 So Jonathan, in a as not as spoilery spoilery as 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:01.480 you can way, what did you think of the show? 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:09.320 I absolutely adored it. I wholeheartedly loved it. Um. I 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:15.440 loved it both for the the obvious love and affection 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:20.599 the writers and everybody have for classic sitcoms, American sitcoms. 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:24.480 And I loved it for all the weird and slightly 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:28.760 sinister creepy stuff that gets woven in. Again, no spoilers, 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.520 but there the first two episodes, I think it's safe 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:37.080 to say fall way harder on the sitcom love and 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:40.360 corny humor than the creepy stuff. The creepy stuff just 0:04:40.480 --> 0:04:44.040 kind of is there occasionally, but that just makes the 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:46.560 creepy stuff stand out more. And that's what it made 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:48.760 me really really enjoy it. What about you? What did 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:52.800 you think? Um? I also absolutely loved it. I actually 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:55.680 spent the entire weekend saying, why are there not more 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:58.120 episodes of this for me to watch? Maybe I just 0:04:58.200 --> 0:04:59.960 want to go back and watch the first two again. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:03.559 And because it was you know, we know that something 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:06.440 is up in the show, you know that from the trailers. Uh. 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:09.000 And and like you said, there was some sinister stuff 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:14.240 that happens throughout UH. But it was just overall very 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:18.800 uplifting and fun. And it was just fun, which is 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:22.920 a fun show. And I feel like so many shows 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:26.000 in the past five ten years have just tried to 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.880 be gritty and dark and and graphic that I just 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:35.000 really appreciated almost the wholesomeness of of this mystery comedy. 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:42.160 And I just have to say, like, Elizabeth Olsen has 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:47.960 floored me with how well she embodies that classic sitcom 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:54.599 leading lady uh kind of kind of spirit. She nailed 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:58.000 it in such a great way, like that interesting balance 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:01.720 between being uh, you know, sort of the straight man 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.760 but also genuinely funny in her own right. And the 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:12.440 supporting cast of that show is amazing. I agree. I agree. 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:14.920 Unlike Fuller House or something where they're trying to bank 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:21.080 on old kitch, this show just really takes old nostalgia 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:24.160 and makes it feel natural. Yeah, it doesn't make it 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:28.440 feel forced. You know. Paul Bettany also did an amazing job, 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:31.920 you know, bribling some Dick van Dyke in there. Yes, 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:35.040 there's their actual direct references to things like the Dick 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:37.360 Van Dyke Show and a little bit of Lucy old 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:40.640 Ball in that first episode. And I don't know for 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:42.880 a fact, but at least the way the first two 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:47.080 episodes play out, I suspect we're going to see almost 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:51.040 a chain of different sitcom styles. We know there's one 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:53.560 other one because it was in the trailer right, there 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:57.160 was one that looks very much Partridge Family Brady Bunch ish, 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:00.919 but I expect we'll see may be a couple of others, 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:05.000 hopefully before the season ends, because I am absolutely digging it. 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:09.640 And and it's also fun in that they have customize 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:14.400 openings for each episode to write, like the opening sequence 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:17.400 for episode two is different from the opening sequence for 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:21.200 episode one and reflects the kind of sitcom that that 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:24.680 episode embodies, which is really cool. It also makes me 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.520 really curious how they're going to go forward because we 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:31.400 know in the movies, Vision has died. Yes that's not spoiler. 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:37.600 He's really most sincerely dead, and now he's back, and 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.040 I I worry Jonathan that it's not going to stay 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:44.040 so fun and wholesome. No, this is going to end 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:46.680 in a very sad way. But you see, they could 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:49.160 they can spin it. They can they can keep Vision around. 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:52.080 They can do this. Uh well yeah, I mean it 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.160 would be great if you could keep him around because 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:59.280 he he is such a genuinely fun character. Listen, if 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:02.560 they can make movies out of the hobbit, we'll talk 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:06.120 about that later. Well, that was my clever way to 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:14.200 see right right, right, So speaking, the Hobbit Tolkien Lord 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:16.200 of the Rings all that there is a Lord of 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:20.800 the Rings show happening eventually, really more of a Middle 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:24.640 Earth show. It's going to coming out for Amazon. We 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:26.560 knew about this. Turns out it's going to be the 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.680 most expensive TV show in all of history, with a 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:35.040 five million dollar budget, which is in It also has 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:38.079 a five season commitment, so I'm not sure whether that 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.880 budget is per season or for all five or for 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:44.280 all five. And it's already been renewed for season two 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:46.640 without a single episode of season one having come out, 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:50.000 but that is still a huge budget. You know, they're 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.199 filming in New Zealand and they, like everybody else, kind 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:58.520 of got uh sidelined by the pandemic. Of course, New 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:00.880 Zealand's in much better shape than most of the world. 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:04.040 So yeah, yeah, And apparently we've been waiting for this 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:06.959 for three years. And I must have put that out 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:09.360 of my mind because I forgot about it until now. 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:11.839 I'm pretty sure we covered this when Ellen c was 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:17.400 still going back in probably and then I forgot about it. Yeah. Well, 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.080 and and this show is going to be set during 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:23.760 the Second Age of Middle Earth. And if you don't 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:27.599 know how the history of Middle Earth works. Everything you 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:29.920 see in the Hobbit, everything you see in Lord of 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.160 the Rings, all that takes place at the end of 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:36.040 the Third Age of Middle Earth. And so this is 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:39.959 three thousand years before that. Um, it's when Saron is 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:43.720 the big bad for the first time around. You remember 0:09:44.400 --> 0:09:47.600 the beginning of Lord of the Rings has Um, Yeah, 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:53.040 is Sealder chopping off Saron's fingers with Narsal the sword, 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:59.000 the shards of Narsal, And that is essentially the day 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:03.560 New Ma the the scene of of of the Second 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:05.880 Age of Middle Earth. So this is going to take 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:08.400 place during that, and we suspect that a lot of 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.439 it is going to take place on New Menoor, the 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:18.200 island where the sort of elevated members of humans live 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:23.280 that's Arragorn is descended from them. So yeah, yeah, you know, 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:27.640 I'm I'm excited about this. When the Hobbit movies came 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:29.560 out one I was like, why are there three of them? 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.640 This is a short story, not a short story, but 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:36.559 a shorter story. Uh, and and to like, there's so 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:42.079 much world that Tolkien built that I want to explore it. 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:45.400 So this has given me the opportunity. I'm I'm cautiously 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:48.640 optimistic about this one. If it fails, it will not 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:53.120 be because it was cheap. Yes, yes, I am also 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:57.800 cautiously optimistic about the Doogie Howser reboot, which is not 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:01.160 a sentence I ever thought i'd be saying. Yeah. So 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:05.920 this was one that had escaped my attention until recently, 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:12.920 where we learn more about the the the new version 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:15.520 of Doogie Howser, which will not be Doogie Howser, It's 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:21.480 it's doogie kume Aloha m D. So uh one. Now 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:25.959 we're following a person of Hawaiian descent and to that 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:29.640 person happens to be female. So we've got a young 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:33.760 woman doogie and I think this is awesome. I actually 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:37.520 really kind of dig this idea and I'm very interested 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:42.079 to see where it goes. Um. And I also hope 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:45.839 that they play the theme song on a ukulele, and 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:52.439 I hope it's yeah do do. I just hope that 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:54.720 she types up all her thoughts on a really really 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:59.079 really really old computer or I think it will have 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:02.640 to be like a art phone. Um, it's Peyton Elizabeth Lee, 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.079 who is who is playing the title role. You know, 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:07.720 I went back and watched the first couple of episodes 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:12.920 of Doogie Howser again recently, they are deal with some 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:16.240 more adult issues than I thought they would. I was like, 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:18.719 they aren't doing this in this episode, are they What 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:21.920 are they doing? I can't. I watched this as a child. 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:24.640 I mean it was, but that was the whole point, right, 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:28.840 was that here here's a person who is incredibly intelligent 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:34.920 but lacks worldly experience, and and how how the difference 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:40.199 between intelligence and wisdom needs to be understood so that 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:43.560 you don't just assume someone who's really intelligent is wise, 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:48.079 or someone who is wise is you know, book smart intelligent. 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:51.360 It's it's the combination of those two things that is 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:54.120 his journey. So yeah, it will be I'm curious to 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:56.800 see how this one plays out. So our next story, 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:00.400 and actually the story that is going to be um 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:07.439 inspiring our mashup later is about the television show Batwoman, Yes, 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:11.400 which has a new Batwoman. Yeah. Yeah. Ruby Rose left 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:16.040 h at the end of the last season after the 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:19.599 last season and uh, instead of recasting her, they're just 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:23.600 giving us a whole new character. The new Batwoman will 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:31.760 be a character called Ryan Wilder Leslie. Yes, And this 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:34.719 is the reason why Ruby Rose left at least in 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:38.840 part was that she suffered an injury during her shoots 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.880 of the previous season of Batwoman and had to have 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:46.120 surgery in order to correct the injury, And that was 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:48.040 part of it, But another part was just that she 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:52.560 was kind of re examining her goals during the whole 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:56.040 lockdown period, and I felt like they weren't really an 0:13:56.080 --> 0:13:59.440 alignment with bat Woman. So now we've got a new Batwoman. Uh, 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:02.280 we've alre He's seen trailers of her, and of course 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:04.880 the show's coming up very soon, so you'll get to 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:07.720 see her in action. UM. I love the look of her. 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:09.880 I think that it looks great, you know, the fact 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:14.160 that she's adjusted the cowl and everything. Um, and hopefully 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:18.080 this will be the change that Batwoman needs to really 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:23.360 get its you know, get up and running. Because a 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:25.760 lot of people have said that the Batwoman series so 0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:31.720 far has not quite met expectations. I honestly, I will 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:34.200 say I haven't watched it because the wig looked so 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:38.120 bad in the trailers for the first season that I yeah, 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:41.360 so I'm hoping that's better too. But you know, I'm 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:43.800 I'm excited for about I like Batman, I'm excited for 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:48.040 more bat person media. So I will give the second 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:52.680 season to try something I'm not Yeah, something I'm not 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:54.280 sure if I'm going to give a try though, is 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:58.600 the Snyder cut of Justice League. I was already on 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:00.400 the fence, But now that we know it's going to 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:09.760 be four hours long and and new, I don't I 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:13.800 don't know if I can sit through that. Yeah, I Um, 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:17.400 I gotta be honest with your Ariel. When I finally 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:21.960 watched Justice League, not once, not once in that running time, 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:26.080 did I think, Gosh, I wish this would go longer? No? No, No, 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:29.040 I mean I will say like it was a fairly 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:34.560 ho hum storyline. I really just enjoyed Justice League for 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:41.240 the character uh exploration. Yeah, but you know Snyder has 0:15:41.280 --> 0:15:42.960 a darker vision, and so I don't even know if 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:45.480 I'm going to like the character exploration. Yeah. No, I 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:50.160 have a feeling like the the more lighthearted, quippy stuff 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:54.480 that we saw was very likely the contributions of Josh Weeden. 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:58.480 It just felt much more like Joss Weeden's style. Um, 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:02.000 and that, yeah, that to me tells me that I 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:07.000 probably will not I'll probably watch it, if I'm being honest, 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:10.840 but I'm not looking forward to it. I think that 0:16:10.960 --> 0:16:14.560 it's almost feel like of the same. I almost feel 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:16.960 like I have to watch it for purposes of being 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:20.120 able to talk about it here. Uh the And also 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:22.560 it does have one thing that makes me kind of 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:24.200 want to watch it, which is, in theory, we're gonna 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:29.640 get Martian Manhunter, who I do very much like. I'm 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:33.640 very curious to see how how that is handled because 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:37.200 it's such an outlandish character. Well, we'll have to see 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:42.000 if that realization of the character ends up, you know, 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:45.680 meeting your very high standard serial. In the meantime, let's 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:47.920 take a quick break, and when we come back, we're 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:53.920 gonna talk about when adaptations are no longer really adaptations 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:57.240 and when that's good and when that's bad. But first 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:06.720 let's take this quick break. 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Ask your dad. You 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:15.879 actually don't, and we're back. So a lot of the 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:17.880 things that we talked about in the news segment are 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:23.399 adaptations or reboots or or the like from properties we 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:28.359 really like. And sometimes they are really great, like when 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:30.840 we get The Lord of the Rings movies, and sometimes 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:34.320 they're not so great, like when we get The Hobbit movies. 0:19:34.960 --> 0:19:39.920 They usually have a wide range of of criticism about them, 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:42.920 in part to the fact that a lot of times 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:47.960 when properties are adjusted for movie or television, they veer 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:51.440 from the source material to make it a better viewing experience. 0:19:52.400 --> 0:19:55.560 So arguably they try to make it a better viewing experience, 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:59.119 it does not always work out, as the aforementioned The 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:05.680 Hobbit proves. Yes, so, uh, I mean where do you 0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:08.679 Let's let's start at the basic level of of movies 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:11.880 that are adaptations that just kind of veer away from 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:15.560 their source material in places that don't follow the storyline exactly. 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:18.760 We see this a lot in you know, superhero movies, 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:22.639 for example. What are what are your thoughts of that, 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:26.239 just between staying true to the thing that you love 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:28.600 because that's what we're going to watch and and giving 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:31.840 a new story. And I mean like this, this to 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:36.399 me largely depends upon your experience with the material. And 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:39.920 by that I mean if you are someone who has 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:45.800 never seen or read, or or otherwise encountered the original 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:51.600 version of that thing, then your impression of the adaptation 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:54.200 is likely to be very different from someone who is 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:59.080 like a big fan of the source material. Um, and 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:04.040 you know, fan of source material are notoriously picky, myself included, 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:08.520 And that I think is one of the major determining factors. 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:11.040 There are other ones as well. You mentioned superhero movies. 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:15.359 I think superhero movies in particular have a lot of 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:21.720 license only because for especially the classic superhero characters, there 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:26.440 have been so many different incarnations of those characters told 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:29.200 in so many different styles from so many different writers 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:32.680 and artists that you can pick and choose, and it's 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:36.359 everything's up for grabs, right, Like there is a can't 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:38.560 be Batman if you wanted to go with the can't 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:41.159 be Batman route, there's the dark and gritty Batman if 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:43.120 you want to go that route. There's the Tim Burton 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:46.879 route where it's kind of both. Like it's you know, 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:48.879 there's a lot of a lot of flexibility there in 0:21:49.000 --> 0:21:52.760 other ways, like other works, there's not as much flexibility. 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:56.480 And so one of the the examples I put in 0:21:56.560 --> 0:22:00.600 our our notes that I think excels as a movie 0:22:00.960 --> 0:22:06.119 and was terrible as a book is Jaws. Uh. Jaws 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:09.879 is my favorite film of all time. It is I 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:18.440 think a perfect movie. The book is almost unreadable, you see. 0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:20.800 I feel that way about Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, where 0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:23.080 the only thing the movie in the book having common 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:27.159 is a flying car. Yeah. Well, if you got rid 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:29.280 of Husha by Mountain, I would be all over that 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:33.160 because that Husha by Mountain is the song that kills 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:36.199 that movie for me. Kind of similar to Cheer Up 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:39.960 Charlie and Willie Wanka in the Chocolate Factory. Another example 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:43.119 of a movie that's very different from the source material. Um, 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:48.600 slow songs kill movies is what I'm saying. You know, 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:50.640 I would wait you to say in cases like Jaws 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:52.760 or Chitty Chitta Bang Bang, or even Willie Wanka in 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:56.280 the Chocolate Factory, depending on which iteration you're talking about. 0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:59.960 I said Willy Wonka, not Charlie. Fair enough Willie Wanka, 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:03.960 which is the gene wilder one. Uh. I think that 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:07.840 it is beneficial, especially in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, 0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:12.760 to um kind of reinvigorate an old story that had 0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:16.480 some old concepts and ideas that were problematic. Yeah. No, 0:23:16.720 --> 0:23:18.879 that's that's a fair point. Is that there's stuff in 0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:21.760 that book where, you know, viewed through the lens of today, 0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:26.119 you think, wow, that that is that is harmful thinking, 0:23:26.840 --> 0:23:31.440 that is reinforcing some pretty negative stereotypes. Yeah, so I 0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:34.560 think I think you're right on there. Yeah. And yet 0:23:34.960 --> 0:23:38.199 when Tim Burton readd it to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, 0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:42.760 I didn't it focused more on Willy Wonka unless on Charlie, 0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:47.760 which was odd because of the title change. And I 0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:51.280 didn't like that that adaptation as much. And maybe it's 0:23:51.280 --> 0:23:53.200 just because it's a story I came to as a 0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:57.800 child and related to at a childlike level, and didn't 0:23:57.840 --> 0:24:00.760 relate to on the candy mogul level. And to be fair, 0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:04.080 also for Willy Wonka, that's like, that's a movie I 0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:08.080 encountered well before I ever read Charlie in the Chocolate Factory. 0:24:08.200 --> 0:24:11.959 So again that's another example of I encountered that story 0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:15.280 in the form of its adaptation first. It's kind of 0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:18.240 like if you hear a cover song without realizing it's 0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:21.600 a cover song, you might then listen to the original 0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:24.680 and think, oh, this isn't this isn't what I expected, 0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:27.240 because you know the cover has done something different to it, 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:29.800 and you might not even like the original as much 0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:32.200 as you like the cover. That that happens a lot. 0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:36.040 It tends to be whatever version of person encounters first, 0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:41.160 they they imprint upon that more. I see that also 0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:43.880 with adaptations of foreign films, like if you have seen 0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:48.159 The Ring before you saw Ringou, then you may like 0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:51.240 the Ring more. But people who saw Ringo first will say, oh, no, 0:24:51.400 --> 0:24:53.840 the Ring is that. No, they didn't get anything right. 0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:57.480 Ringo's the best. Well, did you watch or read The 0:24:57.520 --> 0:25:01.239 Shining first, because that's another one that's really pop piller, uh, 0:25:01.640 --> 0:25:05.879 but veered from its source material and actually made it. 0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:08.680 Made Stephen King upset as it did he Yeah, we're 0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:11.520 talking to course about the Kubrick adaptation of The Shining, 0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:16.480 not the not the Faithful and yet nigh unwatchable mini 0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:19.920 series that was made much later. Um. I read The 0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:23.919 Shining first, and I I feel like those are It's 0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:28.639 almost like it's two different stories that share some common DNA, 0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:34.600 and I think both are brilliant. I understand King's objections, 0:25:34.720 --> 0:25:37.879 and I agree that if you're telling the story of 0:25:38.160 --> 0:25:42.720 the book, Kubrick made some decisions that don't work. The 0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:46.400 big one being that that Jack Torrens, the character played 0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:51.240 by Nicholson, that, um, that he comes off way too crazy, 0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:55.680