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Speaker 1: the Large nerdron Collider podcast, the podcast that's all about
Speaker 1: the geeky things happening in the world around us and
Speaker 1: how excited we are about them. I'm Ariel Castion, and
Speaker 1: with me, as always is my super awesome, super original
Speaker 1: co host Jonathan Strickland. Hey, Ariel, I got I got
Speaker 1: an original idea. I'm gonna ask you a question. You're
Speaker 1: a bad guy in a Scooby Doo cartoon. What sort
Speaker 1: of abandoned structure or location is your home base of operations? Uh?
Speaker 1: Functional yet uh not inhabited? Called Stone Creamery. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: that's a good answer. I like it. Yeah, you're just
Speaker 1: like the marble slab it's still cold. It's a nice
Speaker 1: twist on the it's still warm trope. I like it. Excellent. Alright,
Speaker 1: so we know, oh me, uh an abandoned Renaissance festival site.
Speaker 1: I like that. We're yeah, we're both like, it's abandoned. Well,
Speaker 1: it has to be. It has to because that's like
Speaker 1: that's the trope, right, that's always the old abandoned amusement
Speaker 1: park or the old abandoned train station. So so my
Speaker 1: reasoning is because I just want to be able to
Speaker 1: make ice cream to fuel, my villainy, What is your
Speaker 1: reason to be behind it? Because rens, I love Renaissance
Speaker 1: festivals if it weren't for all those dang people. Uh,
Speaker 1: that is not true, sir. The best part of the
Speaker 1: Renaissance festival is the people, because otherwise you can't entertain them. True.
Speaker 1: And you and I have spent more than enough time
Speaker 1: on a more or less abandoned Renaissance Festival site for
Speaker 1: rehearsals and stuff where it's just the cast, and it
Speaker 1: does get creepy. But that's uh, that's enough of all that.
Speaker 1: Now we know where are our villainous Scooby Do characters
Speaker 1: would reside. Let us move on to what we have
Speaker 1: to talk about today. Yeah, and the first thing we
Speaker 1: want to talk about, and almost the most important thing
Speaker 1: to me is One Division. Because One Division came out
Speaker 1: last week and Jonathan and I both watched it, so
Speaker 1: the first two episodes, we should say the first two episodes,
Speaker 1: So Jonathan, in a as not as spoilery spoilery as
Speaker 1: you can way, what did you think of the show?
Speaker 1: I absolutely adored it. I wholeheartedly loved it. Um. I
Speaker 1: loved it both for the the obvious love and affection
Speaker 1: the writers and everybody have for classic sitcoms, American sitcoms.
Speaker 1: And I loved it for all the weird and slightly
Speaker 1: sinister creepy stuff that gets woven in. Again, no spoilers,
Speaker 1: but there the first two episodes, I think it's safe
Speaker 1: to say fall way harder on the sitcom love and
Speaker 1: corny humor than the creepy stuff. The creepy stuff just
Speaker 1: kind of is there occasionally, but that just makes the
Speaker 1: creepy stuff stand out more. And that's what it made
Speaker 1: me really really enjoy it. What about you? What did
Speaker 1: you think? Um? I also absolutely loved it. I actually
Speaker 1: spent the entire weekend saying, why are there not more
Speaker 1: episodes of this for me to watch? Maybe I just
Speaker 1: want to go back and watch the first two again.
Speaker 1: And because it was you know, we know that something
Speaker 1: is up in the show, you know that from the trailers. Uh.
Speaker 1: And and like you said, there was some sinister stuff
Speaker 1: that happens throughout UH. But it was just overall very
Speaker 1: uplifting and fun. And it was just fun, which is
Speaker 1: a fun show. And I feel like so many shows
Speaker 1: in the past five ten years have just tried to
Speaker 1: be gritty and dark and and graphic that I just
Speaker 1: really appreciated almost the wholesomeness of of this mystery comedy.
Speaker 1: And I just have to say, like, Elizabeth Olsen has
Speaker 1: floored me with how well she embodies that classic sitcom
Speaker 1: leading lady uh kind of kind of spirit. She nailed
Speaker 1: it in such a great way, like that interesting balance
Speaker 1: between being uh, you know, sort of the straight man
Speaker 1: but also genuinely funny in her own right. And the
Speaker 1: supporting cast of that show is amazing. I agree. I agree.
Speaker 1: Unlike Fuller House or something where they're trying to bank
Speaker 1: on old kitch, this show just really takes old nostalgia
Speaker 1: and makes it feel natural. Yeah, it doesn't make it
Speaker 1: feel forced. You know. Paul Bettany also did an amazing job,
Speaker 1: you know, bribling some Dick van Dyke in there. Yes,
Speaker 1: there's their actual direct references to things like the Dick
Speaker 1: Van Dyke Show and a little bit of Lucy old
Speaker 1: Ball in that first episode. And I don't know for
Speaker 1: a fact, but at least the way the first two
Speaker 1: episodes play out, I suspect we're going to see almost
Speaker 1: a chain of different sitcom styles. We know there's one
Speaker 1: other one because it was in the trailer right, there
Speaker 1: was one that looks very much Partridge Family Brady Bunch ish,
Speaker 1: but I expect we'll see may be a couple of others,
Speaker 1: hopefully before the season ends, because I am absolutely digging it.
Speaker 1: And and it's also fun in that they have customize
Speaker 1: openings for each episode to write, like the opening sequence
Speaker 1: for episode two is different from the opening sequence for
Speaker 1: episode one and reflects the kind of sitcom that that
Speaker 1: episode embodies, which is really cool. It also makes me
Speaker 1: really curious how they're going to go forward because we
Speaker 1: know in the movies, Vision has died. Yes that's not spoiler.
Speaker 1: He's really most sincerely dead, and now he's back, and
Speaker 1: I I worry Jonathan that it's not going to stay
Speaker 1: so fun and wholesome. No, this is going to end
Speaker 1: in a very sad way. But you see, they could
Speaker 1: they can spin it. They can they can keep Vision around.
Speaker 1: They can do this. Uh well yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: would be great if you could keep him around because
Speaker 1: he he is such a genuinely fun character. Listen, if
Speaker 1: they can make movies out of the hobbit, we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that later. Well, that was my clever way to
Speaker 1: see right right, right, So speaking, the Hobbit Tolkien Lord
Speaker 1: of the Rings all that there is a Lord of
Speaker 1: the Rings show happening eventually, really more of a Middle
Speaker 1: Earth show. It's going to coming out for Amazon. We
Speaker 1: knew about this. Turns out it's going to be the
Speaker 1: most expensive TV show in all of history, with a
Speaker 1: five million dollar budget, which is in It also has
Speaker 1: a five season commitment, so I'm not sure whether that
Speaker 1: budget is per season or for all five or for
Speaker 1: all five. And it's already been renewed for season two
Speaker 1: without a single episode of season one having come out,
Speaker 1: but that is still a huge budget. You know, they're
Speaker 1: filming in New Zealand and they, like everybody else, kind
Speaker 1: of got uh sidelined by the pandemic. Of course, New
Speaker 1: Zealand's in much better shape than most of the world.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, And apparently we've been waiting for this
Speaker 1: for three years. And I must have put that out
Speaker 1: of my mind because I forgot about it until now.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure we covered this when Ellen c was
Speaker 1: still going back in probably and then I forgot about it. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and and this show is going to be set during
Speaker 1: the Second Age of Middle Earth. And if you don't
Speaker 1: know how the history of Middle Earth works. Everything you
Speaker 1: see in the Hobbit, everything you see in Lord of
Speaker 1: the Rings, all that takes place at the end of
Speaker 1: the Third Age of Middle Earth. And so this is
Speaker 1: three thousand years before that. Um, it's when Saron is
Speaker 1: the big bad for the first time around. You remember
Speaker 1: the beginning of Lord of the Rings has Um, Yeah,
Speaker 1: is Sealder chopping off Saron's fingers with Narsal the sword,
Speaker 1: the shards of Narsal, And that is essentially the day
Speaker 1: New Ma the the scene of of of the Second
Speaker 1: Age of Middle Earth. So this is going to take
Speaker 1: place during that, and we suspect that a lot of
Speaker 1: it is going to take place on New Menoor, the
Speaker 1: island where the sort of elevated members of humans live
Speaker 1: that's Arragorn is descended from them. So yeah, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm excited about this. When the Hobbit movies came
Speaker 1: out one I was like, why are there three of them?
Speaker 1: This is a short story, not a short story, but
Speaker 1: a shorter story. Uh, and and to like, there's so
Speaker 1: much world that Tolkien built that I want to explore it.
Speaker 1: So this has given me the opportunity. I'm I'm cautiously
Speaker 1: optimistic about this one. If it fails, it will not
Speaker 1: be because it was cheap. Yes, yes, I am also
Speaker 1: cautiously optimistic about the Doogie Howser reboot, which is not
Speaker 1: a sentence I ever thought i'd be saying. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: this was one that had escaped my attention until recently,
Speaker 1: where we learn more about the the the new version
Speaker 1: of Doogie Howser, which will not be Doogie Howser, It's
Speaker 1: it's doogie kume Aloha m D. So uh one. Now
Speaker 1: we're following a person of Hawaiian descent and to that
Speaker 1: person happens to be female. So we've got a young
Speaker 1: woman doogie and I think this is awesome. I actually
Speaker 1: really kind of dig this idea and I'm very interested
Speaker 1: to see where it goes. Um. And I also hope
Speaker 1: that they play the theme song on a ukulele, and
Speaker 1: I hope it's yeah do do. I just hope that
Speaker 1: she types up all her thoughts on a really really
Speaker 1: really really old computer or I think it will have
Speaker 1: to be like a art phone. Um, it's Peyton Elizabeth Lee,
Speaker 1: who is who is playing the title role. You know,
Speaker 1: I went back and watched the first couple of episodes
Speaker 1: of Doogie Howser again recently, they are deal with some
Speaker 1: more adult issues than I thought they would. I was like,
Speaker 1: they aren't doing this in this episode, are they What
Speaker 1: are they doing? I can't. I watched this as a child.
Speaker 1: I mean it was, but that was the whole point, right,
Speaker 1: was that here here's a person who is incredibly intelligent
Speaker 1: but lacks worldly experience, and and how how the difference
Speaker 1: between intelligence and wisdom needs to be understood so that
Speaker 1: you don't just assume someone who's really intelligent is wise,
Speaker 1: or someone who is wise is you know, book smart intelligent.
Speaker 1: It's it's the combination of those two things that is
Speaker 1: his journey. So yeah, it will be I'm curious to
Speaker 1: see how this one plays out. So our next story,
Speaker 1: and actually the story that is going to be um
Speaker 1: inspiring our mashup later is about the television show Batwoman, Yes,
Speaker 1: which has a new Batwoman. Yeah. Yeah. Ruby Rose left
Speaker 1: h at the end of the last season after the
Speaker 1: last season and uh, instead of recasting her, they're just
Speaker 1: giving us a whole new character. The new Batwoman will
Speaker 1: be a character called Ryan Wilder Leslie. Yes, And this
Speaker 1: is the reason why Ruby Rose left at least in
Speaker 1: part was that she suffered an injury during her shoots
Speaker 1: of the previous season of Batwoman and had to have
Speaker 1: surgery in order to correct the injury, And that was
Speaker 1: part of it, But another part was just that she
Speaker 1: was kind of re examining her goals during the whole
Speaker 1: lockdown period, and I felt like they weren't really an
Speaker 1: alignment with bat Woman. So now we've got a new Batwoman. Uh,
Speaker 1: we've alre He's seen trailers of her, and of course
Speaker 1: the show's coming up very soon, so you'll get to
Speaker 1: see her in action. UM. I love the look of her.
Speaker 1: I think that it looks great, you know, the fact
Speaker 1: that she's adjusted the cowl and everything. Um, and hopefully
Speaker 1: this will be the change that Batwoman needs to really
Speaker 1: get its you know, get up and running. Because a
Speaker 1: lot of people have said that the Batwoman series so
Speaker 1: far has not quite met expectations. I honestly, I will
Speaker 1: say I haven't watched it because the wig looked so
Speaker 1: bad in the trailers for the first season that I yeah,
Speaker 1: so I'm hoping that's better too. But you know, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm excited for about I like Batman, I'm excited for
Speaker 1: more bat person media. So I will give the second
Speaker 1: season to try something I'm not Yeah, something I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if I'm going to give a try though, is
Speaker 1: the Snyder cut of Justice League. I was already on
Speaker 1: the fence, But now that we know it's going to
Speaker 1: be four hours long and and new, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know if I can sit through that. Yeah, I Um,
Speaker 1: I gotta be honest with your Ariel. When I finally
Speaker 1: watched Justice League, not once, not once in that running time,
Speaker 1: did I think, Gosh, I wish this would go longer? No? No, No,
Speaker 1: I mean I will say like it was a fairly
Speaker 1: ho hum storyline. I really just enjoyed Justice League for
Speaker 1: the character uh exploration. Yeah, but you know Snyder has
Speaker 1: a darker vision, and so I don't even know if
Speaker 1: I'm going to like the character exploration. Yeah. No, I
Speaker 1: have a feeling like the the more lighthearted, quippy stuff
Speaker 1: that we saw was very likely the contributions of Josh Weeden.
Speaker 1: It just felt much more like Joss Weeden's style. Um,
Speaker 1: and that, yeah, that to me tells me that I
Speaker 1: probably will not I'll probably watch it, if I'm being honest,
Speaker 1: but I'm not looking forward to it. I think that
Speaker 1: it's almost feel like of the same. I almost feel
Speaker 1: like I have to watch it for purposes of being
Speaker 1: able to talk about it here. Uh the And also
Speaker 1: it does have one thing that makes me kind of
Speaker 1: want to watch it, which is, in theory, we're gonna
Speaker 1: get Martian Manhunter, who I do very much like. I'm
Speaker 1: very curious to see how how that is handled because
Speaker 1: it's such an outlandish character. Well, we'll have to see
Speaker 1: if that realization of the character ends up, you know,
Speaker 1: meeting your very high standard serial. In the meantime, let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break, and when we come back, we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about when adaptations are no longer really adaptations
Speaker 1: and when that's good and when that's bad. But first
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Speaker 1: actually don't, and we're back. So a lot of the
Speaker 1: things that we talked about in the news segment are
Speaker 1: adaptations or reboots or or the like from properties we
Speaker 1: really like. And sometimes they are really great, like when
Speaker 1: we get The Lord of the Rings movies, and sometimes
Speaker 1: they're not so great, like when we get The Hobbit movies.
Speaker 1: They usually have a wide range of of criticism about them,
Speaker 1: in part to the fact that a lot of times
Speaker 1: when properties are adjusted for movie or television, they veer
Speaker 1: from the source material to make it a better viewing experience.
Speaker 1: So arguably they try to make it a better viewing experience,
Speaker 1: it does not always work out, as the aforementioned The
Speaker 1: Hobbit proves. Yes, so, uh, I mean where do you
Speaker 1: Let's let's start at the basic level of of movies
Speaker 1: that are adaptations that just kind of veer away from
Speaker 1: their source material in places that don't follow the storyline exactly.
Speaker 1: We see this a lot in you know, superhero movies,
Speaker 1: for example. What are what are your thoughts of that,
Speaker 1: just between staying true to the thing that you love
Speaker 1: because that's what we're going to watch and and giving
Speaker 1: a new story. And I mean like this, this to
Speaker 1: me largely depends upon your experience with the material. And
Speaker 1: by that I mean if you are someone who has
Speaker 1: never seen or read, or or otherwise encountered the original
Speaker 1: version of that thing, then your impression of the adaptation
Speaker 1: is likely to be very different from someone who is
Speaker 1: like a big fan of the source material. Um, and
Speaker 1: you know, fan of source material are notoriously picky, myself included,
Speaker 1: And that I think is one of the major determining factors.
Speaker 1: There are other ones as well. You mentioned superhero movies.
Speaker 1: I think superhero movies in particular have a lot of
Speaker 1: license only because for especially the classic superhero characters, there
Speaker 1: have been so many different incarnations of those characters told
Speaker 1: in so many different styles from so many different writers
Speaker 1: and artists that you can pick and choose, and it's
Speaker 1: everything's up for grabs, right, Like there is a can't
Speaker 1: be Batman if you wanted to go with the can't
Speaker 1: be Batman route, there's the dark and gritty Batman if
Speaker 1: you want to go that route. There's the Tim Burton
Speaker 1: route where it's kind of both. Like it's you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of a lot of flexibility there in
Speaker 1: other ways, like other works, there's not as much flexibility.
Speaker 1: And so one of the the examples I put in
Speaker 1: our our notes that I think excels as a movie
Speaker 1: and was terrible as a book is Jaws. Uh. Jaws
Speaker 1: is my favorite film of all time. It is I
Speaker 1: think a perfect movie. The book is almost unreadable, you see.
Speaker 1: I feel that way about Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, where
Speaker 1: the only thing the movie in the book having common
Speaker 1: is a flying car. Yeah. Well, if you got rid
Speaker 1: of Husha by Mountain, I would be all over that
Speaker 1: because that Husha by Mountain is the song that kills
Speaker 1: that movie for me. Kind of similar to Cheer Up
Speaker 1: Charlie and Willie Wanka in the Chocolate Factory. Another example
Speaker 1: of a movie that's very different from the source material. Um,
Speaker 1: slow songs kill movies is what I'm saying. You know,
Speaker 1: I would wait you to say in cases like Jaws
Speaker 1: or Chitty Chitta Bang Bang, or even Willie Wanka in
Speaker 1: the Chocolate Factory, depending on which iteration you're talking about.
Speaker 1: I said Willy Wonka, not Charlie. Fair enough Willie Wanka,
Speaker 1: which is the gene wilder one. Uh. I think that
Speaker 1: it is beneficial, especially in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory,
Speaker 1: to um kind of reinvigorate an old story that had
Speaker 1: some old concepts and ideas that were problematic. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: that's that's a fair point. Is that there's stuff in
Speaker 1: that book where, you know, viewed through the lens of today,
Speaker 1: you think, wow, that that is that is harmful thinking,
Speaker 1: that is reinforcing some pretty negative stereotypes. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: think I think you're right on there. Yeah. And yet
Speaker 1: when Tim Burton readd it to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory,
Speaker 1: I didn't it focused more on Willy Wonka unless on Charlie,
Speaker 1: which was odd because of the title change. And I
Speaker 1: didn't like that that adaptation as much. And maybe it's
Speaker 1: just because it's a story I came to as a
Speaker 1: child and related to at a childlike level, and didn't
Speaker 1: relate to on the candy mogul level. And to be fair,
Speaker 1: also for Willy Wonka, that's like, that's a movie I
Speaker 1: encountered well before I ever read Charlie in the Chocolate Factory.
Speaker 1: So again that's another example of I encountered that story
Speaker 1: in the form of its adaptation first. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like if you hear a cover song without realizing it's
Speaker 1: a cover song, you might then listen to the original
Speaker 1: and think, oh, this isn't this isn't what I expected,
Speaker 1: because you know the cover has done something different to it,
Speaker 1: and you might not even like the original as much
Speaker 1: as you like the cover. That that happens a lot.
Speaker 1: It tends to be whatever version of person encounters first,
Speaker 1: they they imprint upon that more. I see that also
Speaker 1: with adaptations of foreign films, like if you have seen
Speaker 1: The Ring before you saw Ringou, then you may like
Speaker 1: the Ring more. But people who saw Ringo first will say, oh, no,
Speaker 1: the Ring is that. No, they didn't get anything right.
Speaker 1: Ringo's the best. Well, did you watch or read The
Speaker 1: Shining first, because that's another one that's really pop piller, uh,
Speaker 1: but veered from its source material and actually made it.
Speaker 1: Made Stephen King upset as it did he Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: talking to course about the Kubrick adaptation of The Shining,
Speaker 1: not the not the Faithful and yet nigh unwatchable mini
Speaker 1: series that was made much later. Um. I read The
Speaker 1: Shining first, and I I feel like those are It's
Speaker 1: almost like it's two different stories that share some common DNA,
Speaker 1: and I think both are brilliant. I understand King's objections,
Speaker 1: and I agree that if you're telling the story of
Speaker 1: the book, Kubrick made some decisions that don't work. The
Speaker 1: big one being that that Jack Torrens, the character played
Speaker 1: by Nicholson, that, um, that he comes off way too crazy,
Speaker 1: way too quickly, and in the book it's something that
Speaker 1: you see is built upon his alcoholism and his history
Speaker 1: of anger management issues that then escalates. Well, there's not
Speaker 1: a whole lot of escalation in The Shining. It kind
Speaker 1: of he kind of comes off as unhinged from the beginning.
Speaker 1: And so it's a different story, but I think it's
Speaker 1: a good story. It's just different. Yeah. Yeah, Now, I
Speaker 1: would say that all of these things that we've talked
Speaker 1: about so far are maybe not bang bang, are close
Speaker 1: enough to the original story that they should be called
Speaker 1: the original story. Just a different adaptation. There are there
Speaker 1: are things out there that try to say that they're
Speaker 1: a loved story that really aren't. World war Z the Watch,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to say Pete Dragon, even though Disney
Speaker 1: owned the story Petche Dragon to begin with and had
Speaker 1: complete right to change it, Their new Pete Dragon is
Speaker 1: not Peach Dragon to me right the the the remake
Speaker 1: Pete Dragon completely ignores almost everything about the original except
Speaker 1: for having an orphan and a dragon or is he
Speaker 1: even an orphan in the remake he is an orphan, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: But you know World War Z has to do with zombies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's about That's about it. So have you read the book? Yes,
Speaker 1: so you know that the books brilliant. The book is
Speaker 1: more of an observation about how humans cope in the
Speaker 1: wake of a massive disaster. And honestly, if you read
Speaker 1: World War Z and you look at how the United
Speaker 1: States has handled the pandemic, you're like, wow, this is
Speaker 1: the world War Z is so accurate and how how
Speaker 1: these things play out? Um, because it's more of a
Speaker 1: commentary on things like how bureaucracy can get in the
Speaker 1: way and mess things up and make a bad situation
Speaker 1: even worse. Um, and the movie is a zombie action movie. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: and and a big thing like the story is told
Speaker 1: from the recollection recollections of a bunch of different people,
Speaker 1: and it's after the zombie the zombie menace has passed
Speaker 1: its peak and now we're on the other side of it.
Speaker 1: So it's people thinking back to when it was going
Speaker 1: into its peak, but from the perspective of the story teller,
Speaker 1: the worst has already happened. Yeah. Yeah. And then you've
Speaker 1: got the Watch, which you talked about in a previous
Speaker 1: episode Trying, which is based off of Guards Cards by
Speaker 1: Terry Pratchett. Right, yeah, it's it's based off the night
Speaker 1: Watch series of books, but mainly Guards Guards. It's got
Speaker 1: the main storyline is mostly pulled from Guards Guards with
Speaker 1: the onset of a dragon around on more pork and
Speaker 1: um yeah, it's um, it's so different from the source material.
Speaker 1: It shares tiny little bits of of identity with the
Speaker 1: source material, but it makes so many drastic changes that
Speaker 1: you lose the spirit and you start to wonder, like,
Speaker 1: why would you why would you make these choices? Because
Speaker 1: every choice you make that gets further away from the
Speaker 1: source material is alienating the built in audience. But if
Speaker 1: you are making it for people who are not that
Speaker 1: built in audience, why would you bother adapting something in
Speaker 1: the first place. Maybe because they they had an idea
Speaker 1: that they thought would be similar enough, but they wanted
Speaker 1: to get a chunk of audience automatically, so they said,
Speaker 1: we're going to throw in a couple of things so
Speaker 1: we can call it the Watch, so that Terry Pratchett
Speaker 1: fans will want to watch it, even though we really
Speaker 1: want to tell our own story. But then, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, or you should know going into it, that
Speaker 1: you're going to alienate those fans and thus any reaction
Speaker 1: you get from them is going to be negative, and
Speaker 1: that that is going to become a very powerful story
Speaker 1: all on its own, is that the fans of the
Speaker 1: series are rejecting the adaptation you've made. Um. I think
Speaker 1: if I watched the Watch without ever having read any
Speaker 1: Terry Pratchett, I would have thought it was very unusual
Speaker 1: and strange and a little compelling, just because it was unusual,
Speaker 1: but not particularly well told or interesting, like like it's unusual.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a David don't get on me
Speaker 1: David Lynch fans. I think David Lynch has worked brilliant,
Speaker 1: but it's like a David Lynch thing in the sense
Speaker 1: that you're watching stuff and you're like, this is I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to get my head wrapped around what's happening. Now.
Speaker 1: The fact that I've read Pratchett tells me a little
Speaker 1: bit more about what's going on, But the changes that
Speaker 1: have been made are so drastic that, uh, my knowledge
Speaker 1: of Pratchett is only somewhat helpful in sussing out what's happening.
Speaker 1: And you know, they leave out entire characters who are
Speaker 1: really important in the books, who don't even appear in
Speaker 1: the in the show. Um. Yeah, it's one of those
Speaker 1: that I find particularly perplexed because I can't figure out
Speaker 1: what your end goal was if you are making choices
Speaker 1: that are bound to alienate the fan base. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: we've talked about some stories that are close enough that
Speaker 1: they should be titled after their source material, and we've
Speaker 1: talked about some that are so far away that they
Speaker 1: really shouldn't. What about Disney because Disney writes that line
Speaker 1: for me of and I know we need to wrap
Speaker 1: this up so maybe we can get into this deeper later,
Speaker 1: but uh, Disney rides that line of just that they
Speaker 1: changed the original story just enough that I'm like, is
Speaker 1: it that original story anymore? I got you? Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: like all the fairy tales, I mean, obviously they take
Speaker 1: all the hard edges off the fairy tales, right if
Speaker 1: you read Grimm's fairy Tales, I mean it's called the
Speaker 1: Brother's Grim right there, the Brothers Grim. But they can
Speaker 1: be pretty grim fairy tales. Uh. You know, people get
Speaker 1: their feet chopped off and ice pecked out and stuff.
Speaker 1: You don't see that in the Disney story. I I
Speaker 1: mean Disney, for much of its history, is known for
Speaker 1: sanitizing a lot of stories in an effort to create
Speaker 1: a particular kind of feel, right, Like you can see
Speaker 1: a lot of those classic Disney movies and detect like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is all trying to create that sort of sense
Speaker 1: of wonder and magic. And the bad guys are easily
Speaker 1: identifiable and they are bad, and the good guys are
Speaker 1: really really good, and you know, the good guys will
Speaker 1: win in the end, and nothing terrible will happen to
Speaker 1: anybody that's permanent except the bad guy who will probably die.
Speaker 1: Um that's about it. Uh, I'm okay with it because
Speaker 1: I know going into it what I'm going to get, Like,
Speaker 1: I know, the Disney's not going to break the mold
Speaker 1: on that. Um, you're not gonna have some morally ambiguous
Speaker 1: characters in there. For the most part, no one's gonna
Speaker 1: get their eyes pecked out. Uh. If I want that,
Speaker 1: I can go back and read the original fairy Tales.
Speaker 1: So I just accept it as a totally different take
Speaker 1: on the basic plot points of a story, and some
Speaker 1: cases it gets way the heck away from the basic
Speaker 1: plot points there. You're like, Okay, yeah, you've got some
Speaker 1: dwarves in here, but this is not snow White. Yeah yeah, Well, um,
Speaker 1: now we're going to adapt some things of our own. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if they're either of our adaptations
Speaker 1: will live up to their namesakes, but we're going to
Speaker 1: give it a go. But first we're going to take
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Speaker 1: Plus each week you'll hear hilarious stories like this at
Speaker 1: the end, when he says, you got some schmid on
Speaker 1: your face. I feel like I pitched that joke. I
Speaker 1: believe that. I feel like I did. I'm not on
Speaker 1: a thousand percent I want to say that was I
Speaker 1: tossed that one out. Listen to the Welcome to Our
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Speaker 1: And as you know or maybe you don't, we like
Speaker 1: to mash up two different properties into one and find
Speaker 1: out what happens. And this week I chose the properties
Speaker 1: because I had a joke in my head and I
Speaker 1: decided that I did to write a whole piece around.
Speaker 1: By the way, this is how my brain works. I
Speaker 1: had to write a whole piece around the joke. So
Speaker 1: we are combining the world of of Gotham City, not
Speaker 1: Gotham the series, but Gotham City from d C Comics,
Speaker 1: the home of characters like Batman, Joker, Arkham Asylum and
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. With the Veggie Tales, a
Speaker 1: beloved cartoon series featuring talking vegetables and fruits that tell
Speaker 1: Bible stories and songs and saying awesome, awesome songs. Um. So,
Speaker 1: since you have this brilliant joke, Oh it's terrible, you're
Speaker 1: gonna hate it and you throw you threw me under
Speaker 1: the vegetable cart for this one, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go first. Yes, So this is bat Tails Positive Fables
Speaker 1: for a Caped Crusader Chapter one. Yes, it's an anthology,
Speaker 1: all right. Batman was feeling blue. You see, the denizens
Speaker 1: of Gotham City, We're feeling that their hero was far
Speaker 1: too violent and dark. Leaving Cape Crusader's approval ratings. At
Speaker 1: a native with women and children, Batman's pr person insisted
Speaker 1: that he clean up his image. He had to start
Speaker 1: doing p s a s about brushing your teeth and
Speaker 1: eating your vegetables. They even took away his weapons, so
Speaker 1: instead of batterings, he would throw bananas. It was torture,
Speaker 1: but it was working. However, poison Ivy got wind of
Speaker 1: this and she decided that she would not have this.
Speaker 1: In Gotham's darkest days, people would sorrow eat fast food
Speaker 1: left and right, and her pants plants were allowed to thrive.
Speaker 1: But now now that Batman and Gotham were cleaning up
Speaker 1: their act and their diet, her plants were being murderously killed, yes,
Speaker 1: murderously killed. She broke into Wayne manch well the bat
Speaker 1: Cave Wayne Mansion uh one of those two, and animated
Speaker 1: all of the plant matter in Batman's fridge to attack him.
Speaker 1: There was a lot that men have had gifted tons
Speaker 1: of produce baskets, more than he could eat from all
Speaker 1: of his good will work and in the agriculture business.
Speaker 1: Slowly but surely, because they don't really have legs, the
Speaker 1: animated vegetables and fruits began to creep up on Batman,
Speaker 1: seeking to bludgeon him to death with their soft, almost
Speaker 1: ripe bodies. Batman turned and saw the parrotus just in time.
Speaker 1: He was just about to make guacamole out of them
Speaker 1: when he remembered that he was on a broadcast to
Speaker 1: a bunch of children, teaching them about playing outside. So,
Speaker 1: but grudgingly, he decided he tried to make peace with
Speaker 1: these animated vegetables, uh, instead of making a massacre, and
Speaker 1: he addressed the sentient flora. He thought, surely, if these
Speaker 1: things are good for you, then they must be good
Speaker 1: at heart too. He explained that he was just trying
Speaker 1: to make the world a better place and not kill them,
Speaker 1: and the veggies and fruits, actually, being rather selfless, liked
Speaker 1: this so much showed that they asked to join Batman
Speaker 1: on his quest. He may not have weapons, but he
Speaker 1: did have good nutrition for the body and the mind,
Speaker 1: and that is just as dangerous. And soon Batman took
Speaker 1: forth with his new arsenal. He had the grapes of wrath,
Speaker 1: which would incapacitate villains with their smell, because, as you know,
Speaker 1: they never take a bath, a killer tomato named Bob,
Speaker 1: who would shut down any bad joke, along with French
Speaker 1: peas who would incapacitate you with bad jokes and laughter.
Speaker 1: He also had a cucumber, who, being mostly water, had
Speaker 1: a psychic connection with the water buffaloes at the Gotham Zoo,
Speaker 1: and together they vowed to fight crime the right way
Speaker 1: by speaking kindness and goodness and reason into the villains,
Speaker 1: and surprise easingly, the villains were so thrown by this
Speaker 1: that it worked for a time. That was a really
Speaker 1: good week. Well, I can tell you that my version
Speaker 1: goes as dark as yours went bright. Oh no, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get ready, I'm going to ruin it. In my
Speaker 1: version of Gotham City, there is no Batman. Bruce Wayne,
Speaker 1: rather than setting out to avenge his slain parents, goes
Speaker 1: into a deep despair, eventually emerging but being a shell
Speaker 1: of who he was meant to be, idly spending his
Speaker 1: time and living off his inheritance and irritating his butler, Archibald. However,
Speaker 1: also in Gotham there lives Barbara Gordon, daughter to Jim Gordon,
Speaker 1: the police commissioner. Despite her father's best efforts to protect
Speaker 1: his daughter from the grim realities of Gotham, young Barbara
Speaker 1: realizes at an early age how the world works. She
Speaker 1: shares her father's can fictions and has a strong moral compass,
Speaker 1: but is also frequently distressed at how corrupt much of
Speaker 1: Gotham's system is, with criminals frequently bouncing out of the
Speaker 1: justice system due to bribery and intimidation. She sees the
Speaker 1: need for a hero. Ever since she was young, Barbara
Speaker 1: was interested in gymnastics, but as she considers the possibility
Speaker 1: of the life of a vigilante, she begins to seek
Speaker 1: out other training. She convinces her father she needs to
Speaker 1: learn martial arts and how to handle weapons, pragmatically pointing
Speaker 1: out that since he is a police officer and he
Speaker 1: has a revolver, it would be irresponsible of him not
Speaker 1: to have her learn how to be responsible with such things.
Speaker 1: After much training and consideration, Barbara is sitting in her
Speaker 1: room contemplating what persona she should take on as the
Speaker 1: vigilante Gotham needs. She has to protect her father, after all,
Speaker 1: and criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lot. As she thinks,
Speaker 1: she overhears her own name being on the television. It's
Speaker 1: a children's program that's on, just something she had on
Speaker 1: in the background. Moreover, it's all about biblical stories, something
Speaker 1: she hadn't paid much attention to, but now seemed to
Speaker 1: really hone in on that moral compass, and the song
Speaker 1: has convinced her Barbara would become the man a t yes,
Speaker 1: a flipping, somersaulting, kicking and punching man a tea of justice.
Speaker 1: She makes a big, lumpy suit and sets out to
Speaker 1: confront the low life of Gotham. While on patrol, she
Speaker 1: happens to over here some common street criminals chatting about
Speaker 1: a new force into town. It's Mr Nezzer, a veritable
Speaker 1: crime boss who is shaking up the criminal underworld and Gotham,
Speaker 1: taking territory and assets from other families. But perhaps even
Speaker 1: more feared than Mr Nezzar is his assistant, Mr Lunt,
Speaker 1: a native of Gotham. Mr Lunnon is known for his
Speaker 1: sadistic streak, with a reputation of slicing open victims and
Speaker 1: stuffing them with decorative gourds. Similarly, the serial killer of
Speaker 1: Victor Zazz, known for peeling his victims, has joined forces
Speaker 1: with the criminals. Barbara begins to research Nezzer and Lunt,
Speaker 1: doing some detective work as she learns more about their
Speaker 1: plans and influence. Along the way, she encounters a young
Speaker 1: man dressed as a pirate. His name is Larry. Larry,
Speaker 1: smitten with Barbara, the manatee, proves that he can actually
Speaker 1: handle himself pretty darnwell in the scuffle. As the two
Speaker 1: are discovered by some criminals on the streets of Gotham.
Speaker 1: Larry mostly seems to be effective by accident, but Barbara
Speaker 1: proves she is more than capable of handling herself. And
Speaker 1: so Barbara man the t and buccaneer Larry form a
Speaker 1: dynamic duo capable of putting crime in its place. Their
Speaker 1: first true victories when they defeat one of the three
Speaker 1: Scallion brothers. The other two are already making plans and
Speaker 1: how to bust their baby brother out of our comb
Speaker 1: to be continued, question mark. That is the gritty reboot
Speaker 1: of Larry Boy. Yeah. Yeah, So for those who have
Speaker 1: no idea deal why I made that joke, it was
Speaker 1: just for ariel Uh, you need to If you are
Speaker 1: unfamiliar with veggie tails, you need to look up the
Speaker 1: video Barbara Manatey, And that is why I wrote that joke.
Speaker 1: I do love manatees and I do love veggie tales,
Speaker 1: so totally worth bringing my beloved vegetables into the grimness
Speaker 1: of reality. I bet I lost at least nine of
Speaker 1: our audience who are like, why is she a manity?
Speaker 1: But the other ten percent absolutely adore you, Jonathan. That's
Speaker 1: probably true. So if you adore Jonathan and his Barbara
Speaker 1: Manity joke, or have ideas about adaptations yourself and and
Speaker 1: what you think doesn't doesn't qualify, or you know news
Speaker 1: that you want to talk to us about, you can
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