WEBVTT - Mid-Week Mom (& Dad) Chat: Willie Powers.

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<v Speaker 1>This is already going to bed, y'all. I've convinced my

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<v Speaker 1>brother in law, Willie Powers, to come on my midweek

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<v Speaker 1>Mom and dad. We've changed it podcast because we're in quarantine, y'all, Corona.

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<v Speaker 1>So we have quarantined together. My sister has been married

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<v Speaker 1>to Willie for how many years? Now? How did you

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<v Speaker 1>ask me trick questions? We have been married for fourteen years.

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<v Speaker 1>So Willie is really Willie is really like my brother

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<v Speaker 1>because he has been with me through all of my

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<v Speaker 1>adolescent phases where I was a hot mess. We could say,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, we could definitely say that Willie quarantine quarantining

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<v Speaker 1>together for a long time. Willie has taught me why

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<v Speaker 1>did you drop your diet coat? Everything's fine, Everything's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a fine um. When I was in the midst

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<v Speaker 1>of I mean, what crisis is? Have you helped me navigate?

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<v Speaker 1>You can be honest, I'm very real on this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we rescued you from Spain. Oh god, it

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<v Speaker 1>started back and you hated my guts. Oh I hated you.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell everyone how I hated you. I was such a

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<v Speaker 1>little brat. Well it wasn't your fault. I mean your

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<v Speaker 1>sister and I were that I was such a brat.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, puppy love. We were calling each other nicknames,

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<v Speaker 1>and you just had like mad, I know you're you

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<v Speaker 1>and will you and Kat were like, hey number one,

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<v Speaker 1>Hey number one, there's my number one. Everyone was sick

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<v Speaker 1>of it. Y'all were so goo goo gaga and love.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I was anti love at that point too.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never been in love, and I thought love was stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>And now all of a sudden, you, I think you

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<v Speaker 1>were taking all of my attention from Catherine because used

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<v Speaker 1>to dote on me, and now she could have given

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<v Speaker 1>two cents about me. She is the ultimate caretaker, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you had had um had the blessing of that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry if I she only ruled my life. She

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<v Speaker 1>made my college schedules for me. She cooked me every

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<v Speaker 1>dinner I would take. When I went to Baylor for

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<v Speaker 1>a year, I would take my laundry over there. She

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<v Speaker 1>would do on my laundry. Haven't I came up? We're

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<v Speaker 1>now that we're quarantined together again. We shared laundry. We

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<v Speaker 1>did all our laundry, and one she had everything folded

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<v Speaker 1>up perfectly like it was on a display at buckle, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that she she does it all day long.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how she keeps up with it all.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, yes, I'm sure I stole a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about from you. Back then, I was just jealous because

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<v Speaker 1>y'all were cute. We were pretty cute. Anyway, that was fun.

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<v Speaker 1>We went and picked you up from Spain Compostella at

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<v Speaker 1>San Jose, Santiago de Compostella, and you had been eating potato.

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<v Speaker 1>What are those things called little sandwiches? So here's the

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<v Speaker 1>thing in Spain, a sandwich they have espanola, was it?

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<v Speaker 1>It's my favorite they have. They sell cookies everywhere you

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<v Speaker 1>go with fiber in them because the food is so

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<v Speaker 1>constipating in that country that you have to eat these

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<v Speaker 1>fiber cookies just to process at all. But that was fun.

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<v Speaker 1>We went and ran with the bulls. You ran with

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<v Speaker 1>the bulls, ran from the bulls. I wish I would

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<v Speaker 1>have had more consciousness at this time of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I was so insane in my head. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>how to think straight. I don't even know what I

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to think about. So I don't everything's a

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<v Speaker 1>big giant blurred Are you suggesting something's changed about this.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I have much more focus now. Back

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<v Speaker 1>then I probably was focused on like I was boy crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I was so boy crazy. You have

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<v Speaker 1>been through a lot of my boy craziness, all the boys.

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<v Speaker 1>Willie's like a good judge of character. I always start

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<v Speaker 1>trying to kind of date someone, especially when I was

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<v Speaker 1>living in Austin, and he'd be like, m hm hmm, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, then you met a man. But you

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<v Speaker 1>knew Michael first part time, the first halftime show and

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<v Speaker 1>second halftime show. You've noticed the whole time I did.

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<v Speaker 1>And he made a lot of sense to me the

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<v Speaker 1>first time around, and made a lot of sense to

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<v Speaker 1>me the second time around. I think it's so great

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<v Speaker 1>that you guys have ended up together. And uh, most

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<v Speaker 1>notably because Sunny is so cute. She's really the reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Back to running with the bulls, what was that experience? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>it was really crazy. You know the year that we

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<v Speaker 1>did that, um, so a lot of new laws went

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<v Speaker 1>into effect. Your dad, this is a this is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a cutburst family thing. Before we went, your parents

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<v Speaker 1>had planned the trip. We were all going to go,

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<v Speaker 1>but your parents had been on a bunch of trips

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<v Speaker 1>and I think they'd had some some of your dad's

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<v Speaker 1>dentistry courses back to back and they were blown out

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<v Speaker 1>of traveling and they elected to let us go. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>we were not married at this time. You and Kath

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<v Speaker 1>were not married, and I was like twenty I wonder,

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<v Speaker 1>wonder what year that was. You all got married with

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<v Speaker 1>Ka was twenty five, so y'all were probably twenty four. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we might have not even been engaged at No, y'all

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<v Speaker 1>were just young love kids floating around the world together.

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<v Speaker 1>It was me, the angry, grumpy sister, and two keep

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<v Speaker 1>people madly loved sharing a hotel room in Spain, traveling

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<v Speaker 1>around together. Oh, I could have just thrown up, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>such a brat. I think I probably did throw us

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<v Speaker 1>after drinking they had they sell that rio ha. It

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<v Speaker 1>was like dr pepper and red wine mix together. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh. But anyway, we had read your your

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<v Speaker 1>dad had read this book. We're sitting around reading this

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<v Speaker 1>book about how to Run with the bulls. He googles

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<v Speaker 1>a guy's name and calls four one one, which probably

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<v Speaker 1>none of your listeners even know what that is. But

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<v Speaker 1>you can dial four one one on the phone and

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<v Speaker 1>you could say, I need the phone number for x

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<v Speaker 1>y Z person in x y Z City. We called

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<v Speaker 1>the guy at his house and um, I'm getting instruction.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we didn't. We just kind of this. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how to do this, and we haven't talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the safe word. What's the safe word? Um? What

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<v Speaker 1>should it be? Well? I use the really offensive ones usually,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we can go with mistletoe this time. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll go with mistletoe. All right, I don't even know.

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<v Speaker 1>We're really like, he's like, listen, what are we gonna

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<v Speaker 1>talk about? Like, it's gonna be fine. It's gonna be fine,

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<v Speaker 1>everything's gonna be fine. Well, it's fine so far. We

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<v Speaker 1>got missiletoe if we needed so. Anyway, he calls the guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He tells us how to do it. But when we

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<v Speaker 1>get there, they have changed the rules. Now they had

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<v Speaker 1>you had to enter the street at one side and

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<v Speaker 1>run all the way down to the Colosseum. And if

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<v Speaker 1>you got to the Colisseum before the bulls, the locals

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<v Speaker 1>would pelt you with rotten tomatoes for being a coward

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<v Speaker 1>and because you need to hang with the bulls. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right. The Wooseys are the ones who got to

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<v Speaker 1>the colisseum first, and they would just rock you with

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<v Speaker 1>with rotten fruit. So but I didn't care. I ran

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<v Speaker 1>as fast as I have ever run in my life

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as they let the bulls on the streets

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<v Speaker 1>because the bulls buck people, they actually kill people. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's not safe. No, this is totally not safe.

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<v Speaker 1>Locked into the streets, it's not like you can take

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<v Speaker 1>a lift if you get nervous. They have these huge

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<v Speaker 1>barriers keeping you on the street and there are people

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<v Speaker 1>above yelling at you. This isn't really insane thing. People's

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<v Speaker 1>streets are slippery, it's wet and soggy, and everybody's drunk.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just it's a lot of fun and leading up

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<v Speaker 1>to this, Katherine Willie and I. You wear these white outfits,

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<v Speaker 1>so you have like white pants and white shirt and

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<v Speaker 1>a red sash so you tire around your waist. Everyone

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<v Speaker 1>in the entire city, what's the city called pop shoot mistletoe.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're wearing these red sashes around this white Pamplona

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<v Speaker 1>white outfits and everyone's drinking sangria and they're like there's

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<v Speaker 1>like people just holding pictures in Sangrea. You walk by

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<v Speaker 1>on those port in your mouth, like it was just

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<v Speaker 1>wild on the streets. We were in this wild part,

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<v Speaker 1>we would have all had coronavirus, oh for sure, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you wake up. You just drink all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's hanging out, and then the running of the bulls happened,

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<v Speaker 1>so everyone's drunk, which is totally extra and safe. Man. Well, anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I got to the I've ran down that street, got

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<v Speaker 1>to the Colisseum. We're so happy to see you. I

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<v Speaker 1>turned around because I wasn't going to run through that

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<v Speaker 1>tunnel until there was bulls, and so I just waited

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<v Speaker 1>and waited and waited until the first bull came around

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<v Speaker 1>the corner and I started running, and so he and

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<v Speaker 1>I entered the stadium simultaneously knocked me over on the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>The bull knocked you over. Well, it's hard to explain,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's just a massive human beings. There were forty

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<v Speaker 1>or fifty people at that same time with the bull,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I don't know. Anyway, it was really fun

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<v Speaker 1>and it was a great baptism into being a member

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<v Speaker 1>of your family. Because since then I've done about seventy

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<v Speaker 1>six other in the same things. But it's never thought

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<v Speaker 1>I would do. I mean, we have hiked the We've

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<v Speaker 1>hiked all over the place. I mean, my family does

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<v Speaker 1>not get together wearing matching puffy jackets and matching hiking

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<v Speaker 1>shoes and trudge over mountains, but your family does. And

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<v Speaker 1>so we did in Milford Track in New Zealand. That

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<v Speaker 1>was beautiful. Um. We were talking, Katherine and I were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about that yesterday, going to do that again at

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<v Speaker 1>some point with Genevieve maybe. Um. And that's where we

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<v Speaker 1>hacked like seven or eight miles a day, thirty five

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<v Speaker 1>miles total. But it was really nice, Like the lawnmen

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<v Speaker 1>flew helicopters up and down the trail keeping up with it.

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<v Speaker 1>And you didn't have to pack water. You just had

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<v Speaker 1>to pack a cup and you could scoop it out

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<v Speaker 1>of the rivers. That was so cool. And then we

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<v Speaker 1>did the Inca Trail. That was a whole different story.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me about that one, Willie will This is in Peru.

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<v Speaker 1>The Inca Trail was did not have a helicopter clad people.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like, it was the rivers are dirty, the

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<v Speaker 1>water is dangerous, the food is treacherous. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>day three of that hike, I came down with the

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<v Speaker 1>most awful stomach disorder that a human being can get

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of nowhere. You cannot get out. We

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<v Speaker 1>are in the we are three days in, so we're

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<v Speaker 1>probably almost thirty miles into the middle of nowhere, way

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<v Speaker 1>to Machu Picchu and halfway back home. There's no getting out,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's nowhere to go to the bathroom, and you

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<v Speaker 1>to keep going. You gotta walk the rest of the way.

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<v Speaker 1>I was doing everything you can do when you have

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<v Speaker 1>one of these stomach disorder, and to miss the top

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<v Speaker 1>of all. The first night it hit me, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to go into any too many details, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of details, but I'm in a tent on

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<v Speaker 1>the mountain side and I go, oh, my goodness, us,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a problem. I ran out of the tent

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<v Speaker 1>to go to the bathroom. I get there, there's four

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<v Speaker 1>of these, the porters that came along with us, who

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<v Speaker 1>carried all the food and things like that, and they

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<v Speaker 1>have this in the restroom they have it's just basically

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<v Speaker 1>a room, and there's a hole in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the room, and on either side of the hole they

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<v Speaker 1>have salt saltillo tile floors. But the two holes next

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<v Speaker 1>to the or the two tiles next to the hole

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<v Speaker 1>have footprints in them to show you exactly where you're

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to stand. Oh my gosh. Anyway, it's just a

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<v Speaker 1>hole in the ground to go to the bathroom and

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<v Speaker 1>send some time in there. Well, there was five guys

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<v Speaker 1>in front of me and I had to wait for them.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't good. It was not good. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>was throwing up. We had to go get some medicine

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<v Speaker 1>from our guide in the middle of the night, and

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<v Speaker 1>the next three days were really rough. Your dad came along,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like to get that. I think we were

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<v Speaker 1>we were either and you were engaged at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>We weren't married. I don't think your dad came up

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<v Speaker 1>to me and I was still like, he's doctor cut werth.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I've got a lot of respect for him.

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<v Speaker 1>He is all my friends warn me when I started

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<v Speaker 1>dating your sister. He is gonna climb up a tree

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<v Speaker 1>you shoot you in the middle of the night. He's dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>Watch out for this guy. And he came up to

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<v Speaker 1>me and he put his hand on my shoulder as

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<v Speaker 1>I'm crouched throwing up over the side of this mountain,

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<v Speaker 1>freezing cold, wet, sick. You know, this is my hundredth

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<v Speaker 1>mile to hike with your family. And he said, you

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<v Speaker 1>are right, and I said, get your epping hand off

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<v Speaker 1>of me, and he said I understood, and he kept walking.

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<v Speaker 1>He just knew I needed some piece and quiet to

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<v Speaker 1>just to be there on the side of the hill.

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<v Speaker 1>But he really cleared the way from Michael. He has

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<v Speaker 1>had it so much like I feel like you really

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<v Speaker 1>had to break the ice of like coming into our family.

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<v Speaker 1>And then Michael's just gotten to float right in. He

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<v Speaker 1>owes me big time. He totally does. I really took

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the took a lot of that. You're

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<v Speaker 1>a good sport Willie. Yeah, And here I am. We

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<v Speaker 1>still together. Fourteen years. You've been married to Catherine. You've

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<v Speaker 1>been through the many phases of mind sanity. When you say,

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<v Speaker 1>I've kind of started leveling up. You're awesome, You're not insane,

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<v Speaker 1>You're not you are you are spirited than you. I

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<v Speaker 1>think you've described yourself as somebody who has different versions

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<v Speaker 1>of yourself. You know, when it comes to um emotions

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<v Speaker 1>and perception. You know, some days you wake up and

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<v Speaker 1>it's you're rocking and rolling. Some days it's you know,

0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:55.440
<v Speaker 1>you're looking at it a different way. But you have

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<v Speaker 1>always been kind, You have always been sweet. Beginning been

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<v Speaker 1>funny once I got to it. Even then, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that was that was explainable. It was understandable. I'm dating

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<v Speaker 1>your older sister. Of course at point, well, it's okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I was. I didn't take it that way. I just was.

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<v Speaker 1>I laughed it off. I thought it was you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a completely acceptable response to what you were

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with. Well, And I used to be a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more like angry and upset too, because I was so

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<v Speaker 1>just lost and trying to navigate and find footing, as

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<v Speaker 1>you do. Everyone does it in different ways. I was

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<v Speaker 1>a little more like angsty. Isn't it surprising that you

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<v Speaker 1>when you're a kid, you think, I can't wait to

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<v Speaker 1>be an adult, so I'll have everything figured out. And

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<v Speaker 1>then you know, Bethan's figured out. It's all the same.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you're still you still have to wake up

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<v Speaker 1>and work through you know, everything, work through challenges. What

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<v Speaker 1>have you learned about life? Because I feel like you're

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<v Speaker 1>someone who I always think is really wise, Like every

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<v Speaker 1>time Michael and I are stressed, or like Michael's going

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<v Speaker 1>through something, he's like I just gotta call Willie. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna call Willie and get his opinion on this,

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<v Speaker 1>because he's got such a great opinion. And I feel

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<v Speaker 1>that way about you. I feel like you always are

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<v Speaker 1>able to have a good, clear, well rounded opinion. Well

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<v Speaker 1>that's really sweet of you to say that. But I, um,

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<v Speaker 1>I am human just like everybody else. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>have to think through things and find a way to

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<v Speaker 1>I can't take a lot of credit for that. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I was born naturally wanting to be happy. I

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<v Speaker 1>wake up every day trying to find a way to

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<v Speaker 1>be happy. And I'm about logical and so I can

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<v Speaker 1>use logic to get there and and leisure to get there.

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<v Speaker 1>So I, you know, the logic side of me spends

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time wondering about the math that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to take to where I don't wake up in a panic,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like during this this coronavirus thing. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you keep your house in order so that

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm in the oil and gas. But this and

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<v Speaker 1>it is very mercurial. I mean you We've had years

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<v Speaker 1>where we've made lots and lots of money. We have

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<v Speaker 1>had years where we made zero money, and so the

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<v Speaker 1>logic side of me says, the year the zero years

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<v Speaker 1>are coming again and there lots of lots of years.

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<v Speaker 1>Put it away and be ready for that. Um you

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<v Speaker 1>know so I think there. I mean your question was

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<v Speaker 1>what have I learned about life? Life is just going

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<v Speaker 1>to be up and down and over. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>just gotta be ready for the ups, have fun when

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<v Speaker 1>it's up, rein it in when it's when it's down.

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<v Speaker 1>Like this week, we ain't ordering everything off Amazon this week.

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<v Speaker 1>You know we're not. We did eat at the nicest

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<v Speaker 1>takeaway from the nicest sushi places. We had to take

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<v Speaker 1>advantage of the fact that they're offering take away. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>pull in there. I pulled in there with a trailer

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<v Speaker 1>and a lawnmower on the back of it side by side.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not their standard customer, but anyway, Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>you just uh if if you are finding yourself unhappy,

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<v Speaker 1>for me, it's usually because I'm not doing something engaging

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<v Speaker 1>or I don't feel good. And so I would say

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<v Speaker 1>when you're when you're in that state of mind, go

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<v Speaker 1>for a walk. You don't have to lose twenty pounds today,

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<v Speaker 1>just go for a walk. It's your blood moving. If

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<v Speaker 1>you ate a bunch of cookies yesterday before you eat

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<v Speaker 1>all the cookies today. We're having to do this in

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<v Speaker 1>in Wuarrantine. By the way, we have so much good

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<v Speaker 1>food here. Pepper for breakfast sharing is the world's most

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful um supplier and caretaker and quartermaster. This house has

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<v Speaker 1>probably seventeen thousand rounds of ammumunition and a bunch of food.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, if you think about coming here to

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<v Speaker 1>get any of that, you won't make it through the

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<v Speaker 1>front gate. Very good with our rifles. Yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>have been hog hunting every night. Last night Michael and

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<v Speaker 1>I go outside to sit on the front porch and

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<v Speaker 1>Willie's out there on the side by side, which is

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<v Speaker 1>full of inner tubes because they're floating down the river

0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:16.480
<v Speaker 1>like siding in a hog barefoot. Well, great, when they

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<v Speaker 1>run past, that's when you got to shoot them. I know, um,

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<v Speaker 1>but no, we uh, I think that, you know. I

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<v Speaker 1>have had it made a conscious decision to eat some

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<v Speaker 1>carrots before I eat some twigs. And that's too because

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<v Speaker 1>I want to feel good, you know. And and so

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<v Speaker 1>when you're feeling good, you can think good. When you

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<v Speaker 1>think good, you can be emotionally good and so I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. That's I just try to stay feeling good

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<v Speaker 1>and and do things that don't get me in trouble. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that's I don't want to be in trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to boon in trouble. Where does that

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<v Speaker 1>so from not wanting to be in trouble? I was

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<v Speaker 1>born that way. I hated being in trouble when I

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<v Speaker 1>was a like, you know, they would write your name

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<v Speaker 1>on the chalkboard when you're in trouble. Oh man, just

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<v Speaker 1>seeing my name on the board if that ever happened,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was never my fault. Mom, uh, the other

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<v Speaker 1>kids were talking to me. But um yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 1>never ever wanted to be in trouble. I don't like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's probably, you know, the deeper side of that

0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:24.200
<v Speaker 1>is an ego thing or you know, you just want

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<v Speaker 1>to be looking like you're doing a good job. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's uh, do you I mean, do we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the angiogram? I'm number seven? I don't. I've never read

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<v Speaker 1>the book. I've just been diagnosed as this by you

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<v Speaker 1>and your sister. Well know, we made you take a test.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that's right out here. Actually, so my I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>my pursuit is leisure, right, I'm always looking for a

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<v Speaker 1>good time, and being in trouble is an interruption of that.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I don't want to live in the dold rooms.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want your sister to be mad at me.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want my parents to be mad at me.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want my teachers to be mad at me.

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<v Speaker 1>And do you just want to stay lighthearted? Yes? And

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<v Speaker 1>you can't do that if you're if you're doing stupid suh.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very true. So you kind of always just gravitated

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<v Speaker 1>in that direction selfishly to keep the party going. I

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<v Speaker 1>want everybody to be having fun, you know. In Michael's

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<v Speaker 1>seven too, And I feel like y'all he'll get a

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<v Speaker 1>little he doesn't care for people about us at at

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<v Speaker 1>him a little bit less than you do. I say that, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he's a little he's a little more fine

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<v Speaker 1>with He's a turist too, so he's a little more

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<v Speaker 1>bullish sometimes. Oh oh wait a minute, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>do that. But no, but y'all get oh yeah, what

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<v Speaker 1>is your sign cancer? You you're a crap. No, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a that's for sure. Tiger tiger king, the lion king

0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:52.240
<v Speaker 1>is everybody watching Tiger King. Oh my gosh, oh man,

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<v Speaker 1>it is something else. Thank God for Tiger King. He

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<v Speaker 1>really has has saved the world. Know, we've all got

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<v Speaker 1>something to talk about, uh huh that we all can

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<v Speaker 1>laugh about and relate to. So tell me about your childhood.

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<v Speaker 1>What how did you get shaped by your childhood? Because

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<v Speaker 1>there's a bunch of y'all and y'all grew up on

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<v Speaker 1>a farm and you did crazy things with like knives

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<v Speaker 1>and things. Y'all were like always playing with dangerous tools.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I have lived a charmed lifestyle life. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean as a kid, I had parents. I think this

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<v Speaker 1>is this weighs into everything you know, because it shapes

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<v Speaker 1>who you are. Eventually, he's going to give some parenting

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<v Speaker 1>advice to all the dads there later on. I'm almost forty.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not quite old enough to give advice. Your dad

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<v Speaker 1>said fifty was the year you could start. When you're fifty,

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<v Speaker 1>you can give advice. But then he turned sixty and

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<v Speaker 1>he said you have to be sixty give advice. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a rolling number. Um. Yeah, I know. I had a

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful childhood. I have uh five great brothers and sisters

0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:59.399
<v Speaker 1>who there was the older crop of four than there

0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:02.280
<v Speaker 1>were nine years. Then I came along and then my

0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:06.360
<v Speaker 1>parents had Tim the play friend for me. So Tim

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<v Speaker 1>and I kind of had our own thing going in childhood.

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<v Speaker 1>That that age gap obviously has gone away at this

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<v Speaker 1>point we're all in the stride of of life and

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<v Speaker 1>working together on things. But the yeah, we had a

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<v Speaker 1>cool Well you said I grew up on a farm.

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<v Speaker 1>Really I we we have a family ranch. It's a ranch. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the difference in Texas between a farm and a

0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:36.919
<v Speaker 1>ranch is a farm is where you grow crops and

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<v Speaker 1>a ranch is where you raise animals. Now there's there

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<v Speaker 1>may be people who refute my definition on that, but um,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a farm and a ranch. But but I

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<v Speaker 1>was shaped by our time spent out there. We actually

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<v Speaker 1>lived in the city in Corpus Christie Proper in a neighborhood,

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<v Speaker 1>and we lived right across the street, directly across the

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<v Speaker 1>street from my grandparents and down the street from my

0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:05.800
<v Speaker 1>aunt and uncle, and so we were surrounded by family.

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<v Speaker 1>We were very family oriented. Coronavirus is going to cancel

0:23:10.760 --> 0:23:15.199
<v Speaker 1>our family Easter party this year, which is um a

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<v Speaker 1>great sadness because it's when we all get together. My

0:23:17.640 --> 0:23:21.720
<v Speaker 1>grandmother's sisters families, there's a hundreds of us now were Catholics,

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<v Speaker 1>so we have lots of babies up and yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>just we lived right across from Corpus Christy Bay, so

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<v Speaker 1>we would get up on Saturday morning and walk over

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<v Speaker 1>there and have go fishing for a few hours and

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<v Speaker 1>go to the ranch. And my my parents were just

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<v Speaker 1>perfect parents and continue to be perfect parents. And your

0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:47.159
<v Speaker 1>mom is so witty and funny, she's awesome. And your

0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:50.800
<v Speaker 1>dad's just so chill and sweet. Yes, he's Papa Bear.

0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:54.040
<v Speaker 1>You know that nobody's going hungry. As long as he's alive.

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<v Speaker 1>He takes you know. I've always had that in the background,

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<v Speaker 1>like I I don't have to worry about anything. He

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<v Speaker 1>would come and save me. My mom would come and

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<v Speaker 1>save me. You know. I think that's that would be

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<v Speaker 1>my parenting advice is if you can create a scenario

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<v Speaker 1>like I had where you your kids know you're devoted

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<v Speaker 1>to them at all costs. Uh, it really does create

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<v Speaker 1>a sense of foundation that I've always had under my feet.

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<v Speaker 1>And I felt it back then. It was so fun.

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<v Speaker 1>We just I loved my childhood. I would go back

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<v Speaker 1>to it. It just we had a ball. We were

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<v Speaker 1>always making things, tinkering with things, exploring. What's your favorite memory? Oh, um, gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>this first one that comes to mind that doesn't do

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<v Speaker 1>his favorite the first one that comes to mind. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to think of h or you can spice a

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<v Speaker 1>few together. I mean, my my very favorite thing to

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<v Speaker 1>do was to go to the ranch. We had a

0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:04.200
<v Speaker 1>house there in a little swimming pool, and there was

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<v Speaker 1>this bridge. I'll tell you this is a good one,

0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:10.359
<v Speaker 1>so you could walk to this bridge and go. We

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<v Speaker 1>would go fishing and catch It was freshwater in salt water,

0:25:15.000 --> 0:25:18.320
<v Speaker 1>so you could catch alligator, guards and redfish all in

0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:21.120
<v Speaker 1>the same place, which was super cool. My little brother

0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:23.119
<v Speaker 1>and I were fishing. I don't know how old I was,

0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:27.840
<v Speaker 1>maybe seven, he was four. Um, and I got my

0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:30.119
<v Speaker 1>hook stuck in the tree and I was yanking it

0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:34.520
<v Speaker 1>trying to get it out of the tree, and it

0:25:34.720 --> 0:25:36.840
<v Speaker 1>came flying back at me and stuck in my thumb,

0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:41.880
<v Speaker 1>deep deep, deep in my thumb, and I cried. I said,

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:43.679
<v Speaker 1>go get helped. You know, we were out there with

0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:46.960
<v Speaker 1>my dad by himself and my This will show some

0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:49.880
<v Speaker 1>good parenting too. So Tim sprints back to the house

0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:55.720
<v Speaker 1>gets my dad. My Dad comes driving down and takes

0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:58.159
<v Speaker 1>and cuts the string, takes me back to the house

0:25:58.560 --> 0:26:01.280
<v Speaker 1>and sits me down on the back porch, and he says,

0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:08.560
<v Speaker 1>all right, we've got two options here. You can I

0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:13.000
<v Speaker 1>can pull this hook out and we can stay here

0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:15.560
<v Speaker 1>at the ranch for the rest of the weekend. Or

0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:20.040
<v Speaker 1>I can take you into the hospital and they can

0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:24.240
<v Speaker 1>wash it with some alcohol and and cut it open

0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:27.840
<v Speaker 1>and pull it out the right way. I said, we'll

0:26:27.880 --> 0:26:29.720
<v Speaker 1>just let's stay here. Let's stay here. Of course, I

0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:31.199
<v Speaker 1>don't want to Hey, I don't want to interrupt my

0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:35.639
<v Speaker 1>weekend and be exactly yeah, b I don't want to

0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:38.119
<v Speaker 1>be cut open. And you know he stitched in that

0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:39.840
<v Speaker 1>it was not going to be cool if we went

0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:44.320
<v Speaker 1>into the hospital. He goes over this pine tree in

0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:48.800
<v Speaker 1>the yard, snaps off a limb, brings it over to me,

0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:52.800
<v Speaker 1>gets a rusty pair of pliers. Um, My dad never

0:26:52.880 --> 0:26:56.320
<v Speaker 1>had good tools. He always had just whatever was left over.

0:26:59.000 --> 0:27:01.160
<v Speaker 1>He's he gives me a stick and he says, bite

0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:04.359
<v Speaker 1>down on this stick, and he holds my He grabs

0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:08.840
<v Speaker 1>my hand, grabs the hook with the plyers and pulled

0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:12.760
<v Speaker 1>and it doesn't come out. And I snapped the stick

0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 1>in half. And I just had I mean my eyes

0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:21.720
<v Speaker 1>were just red and watery and I'm trying not to cry.

0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:25.359
<v Speaker 1>And he looked in my eyes and he said, I'm sorry.

0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:32.920
<v Speaker 1>I promise I'm gonna get it next time, and he,

0:27:33.480 --> 0:27:36.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean put all his My dad is this mighty guy,

0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:42.280
<v Speaker 1>six ft three, huge, just like that unintentional muscle, you know,

0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:46.119
<v Speaker 1>And he just jerked it out of there and it

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:49.919
<v Speaker 1>came free. I still have a scar on the thumb ringer.

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:52.399
<v Speaker 1>Did he cut? It made a crunching sound when it

0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:54.680
<v Speaker 1>came out. No, that wasn't an option because it was

0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:58.159
<v Speaker 1>a treble hook, which all the real fishermen are. They

0:27:58.240 --> 0:28:00.600
<v Speaker 1>got three hooks on it and all the tremor gone

0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:06.000
<v Speaker 1>and what a chump. But anyway, um, wow, that was

0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:09.680
<v Speaker 1>not comfortable, but got the weekend kept going and and

0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:12.439
<v Speaker 1>so we had fun this day. We got a story

0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:14.399
<v Speaker 1>and and a lot of our lives was like that.

0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:18.119
<v Speaker 1>Just was the one with the parachute and Tim oh Man, Well,

0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:24.240
<v Speaker 1>my brother Edmund had bought a parachute. Yeah, at a

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:26.480
<v Speaker 1>yard sale. Oh here's a parachute. We can think it's

0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:33.639
<v Speaker 1>something fun to do with that. And so down on

0:28:33.680 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 1>the Gulf coast where we were the ranches. It's windy

0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:40.440
<v Speaker 1>all the time, and this was a particularly windy day.

0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:43.080
<v Speaker 1>We find this thing in the back of my brother's truck.

0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 1>We were probably teenagers at this point, and all we

0:28:48.160 --> 0:28:51.280
<v Speaker 1>had for a rope was a lasso, and so we

0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:55.760
<v Speaker 1>got a core piece of corrugated steel, basically a giant knife,

0:28:57.040 --> 0:28:58.760
<v Speaker 1>and we were gonna sit on this thing like a

0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:03.440
<v Speaker 1>sled and let the parachute pull us down the road. Well,

0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:06.640
<v Speaker 1>we just put the lasso part around my brother's stomach

0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 1>like a loop a noose. Perfect, And I said, all right, great.

0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 1>He was always the guinea pig. Tim if you're listening,

0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:17.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry. I owe you whatever you need, just

0:29:18.040 --> 0:29:23.000
<v Speaker 1>I'll give it to you. But anyway we go. He

0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:26.560
<v Speaker 1>sits on this tin, He's got the loop around his stomach,

0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:30.080
<v Speaker 1>around his waist, and I grabbed, I stretched the string out,

0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:32.360
<v Speaker 1>grabbed the parachute, and I flap it up into the

0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:37.600
<v Speaker 1>wind and it instantly goes and fills with air and

0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:41.520
<v Speaker 1>sucks that cinches the rope down off his stomach. He

0:29:41.560 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 1>looks like a cartoon character with his eyes bulging out

0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:47.520
<v Speaker 1>of his face because he's now being cut in half

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:50.760
<v Speaker 1>by this rope. And it goes and it's dragging him

0:29:50.840 --> 0:29:55.040
<v Speaker 1>across the field and I'm running behind him, you know,

0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:58.960
<v Speaker 1>probably barefooted through these thorns. We have these terrible thorns,

0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 1>called him skeet. He's getting killed billy thorns. And finally

0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:05.840
<v Speaker 1>I catch up to him and I'll grab him. But

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:08.400
<v Speaker 1>all I'm doing is putting force in the other directions.

0:30:10.160 --> 0:30:13.720
<v Speaker 1>So I had to run finally and run all the

0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:18.960
<v Speaker 1>way and tackle that tackle a parachute and uh, we

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:22.240
<v Speaker 1>looked at each other like, well, we did it again,

0:30:22.440 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 1>survived another potential injury. So, oh my gosh, your mom

0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:29.960
<v Speaker 1>is the saint for having all those kids. Don't know

0:30:30.000 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 1>how she's still kicking because she's so Your mom has

0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:38.240
<v Speaker 1>got such a spunky personality. I love your mom. She's

0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:41.280
<v Speaker 1>a blast. She has been the perfect mom. We we

0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:46.320
<v Speaker 1>talk at least once a week, um and and really

0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:48.760
<v Speaker 1>more than that three or four times a week, and

0:30:49.160 --> 0:30:56.720
<v Speaker 1>we just have very um similar you know, brains and

0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:59.360
<v Speaker 1>y'all both enjoy humor a lot. Oh yeah, y'all are

0:30:59.400 --> 0:31:02.800
<v Speaker 1>good at make king. She's a little naughty, little edgy. Yeah,

0:31:03.000 --> 0:31:06.720
<v Speaker 1>you are good at making situations feel find a humor

0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 1>in them even when things are sad. Like you, you'll

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:13.200
<v Speaker 1>be sad and you'll feel feelings, but yet you can

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:14.959
<v Speaker 1>always bounce out of it with some humor. And your

0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:18.600
<v Speaker 1>mom does that really well too. Definitely, definitely, it's a

0:31:18.640 --> 0:31:20.719
<v Speaker 1>great way to just get through things. You know, if

0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:22.920
<v Speaker 1>you can't laugh at yourself, we are all going to die.

0:31:23.400 --> 0:31:28.320
<v Speaker 1>That is a guarantee. And if you can stitch that

0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 1>belief into your life, um, we're you can laugh off

0:31:34.800 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 1>these things that happened, because things are gonna happen. Um.

0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 1>And I remember my grandmother. We had something happened in

0:31:46.280 --> 0:31:49.440
<v Speaker 1>the family and my mom went to tell her. She

0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:52.760
<v Speaker 1>was ninety one years old, and you know, she had

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:56.360
<v Speaker 1>to share some bad news with Granny and she said, Mom,

0:31:56.440 --> 0:31:59.160
<v Speaker 1>I am, I am so sorry I have to tell

0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:02.400
<v Speaker 1>you this. And she said, I'm the perfect person to

0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:05.560
<v Speaker 1>tell I'm ninety one years old. I've seen it all.

0:32:05.880 --> 0:32:09.440
<v Speaker 1>I know these things happen. And that was a great perspective,

0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:12.840
<v Speaker 1>and I think she you know, my my grandmother was

0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 1>very stoic. She never got worked up about anything. Stoic

0:32:16.960 --> 0:32:21.120
<v Speaker 1>to the point of like almost emotionless and um, and

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:24.920
<v Speaker 1>we've kind of rebounded in the other direction in our generation.

0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:28.160
<v Speaker 1>So but she was a wonderful you know, kind of

0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:30.480
<v Speaker 1>give you that perspective, like you can tell a joke

0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:35.360
<v Speaker 1>about this because tomorrow's coming and yesterday's over and let's

0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:40.880
<v Speaker 1>keep on going. So what has your perspective been now

0:32:40.960 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 1>that your husband, your father of a nine year old,

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:50.200
<v Speaker 1>you're almost forty, what is your kind of life perspective? Like,

0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:57.000
<v Speaker 1>how have you navigated these are chapters? Well, I love

0:32:57.040 --> 0:33:02.600
<v Speaker 1>being a husband. Your sister, it is we are yin

0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:05.240
<v Speaker 1>and yang as you know, your sister and I she

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:08.600
<v Speaker 1>is taype a, you know, very ducks in a row,

0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:14.520
<v Speaker 1>very organized. I am half the time she tells me something,

0:33:14.560 --> 0:33:16.360
<v Speaker 1>she has to tell it to me again because my

0:33:16.440 --> 0:33:19.000
<v Speaker 1>brain was thinking and I didn't even hear what she said,

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, like I am just distracted and I'm always

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:27.800
<v Speaker 1>thinking of new ideas, creating, and she's always organizing. So

0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 1>we have been a perfect match because she doesn't I

0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:32.880
<v Speaker 1>think she would she would own this. She does not

0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:36.360
<v Speaker 1>have a lot of novel ideas. She's not a creative

0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 1>person by nature. She is a good organizer, but she

0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:44.640
<v Speaker 1>doesn't have she's not making new things, organized things and

0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:47.520
<v Speaker 1>get them like in perfect condition. Right, And so if

0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:50.440
<v Speaker 1>which sounds terrible to someone who's always creating things. Yeah,

0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:52.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't care, I want, I mean, but it's great

0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:55.200
<v Speaker 1>you need that person. I am a tornado. I mean,

0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:59.440
<v Speaker 1>I leave a pile of debris behind me everywhere I go.

0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 1>And but I'm also self aware and I try not

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:09.799
<v Speaker 1>to be you know, problematic about it all. And she

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:12.960
<v Speaker 1>is also very self aware too, So we've been able

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 1>to blend that. You know, we started a business together,

0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:18.960
<v Speaker 1>and I can kind of see the future and she

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:23.760
<v Speaker 1>can take care of the present. She has been so

0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:28.720
<v Speaker 1>so really, marriage is just great. I mean I'm married

0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:32.680
<v Speaker 1>obviously really really well. Um and definitely I'm married above

0:34:33.360 --> 0:34:37.960
<v Speaker 1>what I should have been able to expect. And so um,

0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:42.360
<v Speaker 1>I love marriage. And then fatherhood is just incredible. We

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:46.960
<v Speaker 1>have a nine year old daughter, Genevieve, who is um

0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:50.440
<v Speaker 1>we call her the great enthusiast. Everything she does she

0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:56.200
<v Speaker 1>does with gusto and she has been, uh, the perfect child,

0:34:56.400 --> 0:34:59.960
<v Speaker 1>a real blessing, and so um, I have no complaint.

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:03.839
<v Speaker 1>So I couldn't have it couldn't have worked out better

0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:07.600
<v Speaker 1>for me at this point, and so I love it.

0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:11.920
<v Speaker 1>And I feel your your sister makes me feel the

0:35:11.960 --> 0:35:14.000
<v Speaker 1>way my dad and my mom makes me feel, you know,

0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:19.839
<v Speaker 1>just very sturdy. I know that when you're when you

0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:22.759
<v Speaker 1>are a man, when you're working, when you're trying to

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:26.319
<v Speaker 1>do a good job in the world, do a good

0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:29.879
<v Speaker 1>job for your family, kill stuff and drag it back

0:35:29.920 --> 0:35:33.080
<v Speaker 1>to the cave. You know, you have fear, you worry

0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:36.520
<v Speaker 1>about not doing it that well. And anytime I feel

0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:41.800
<v Speaker 1>that fear, I think about the reality of my life,

0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 1>which is if we went broke, your sister and Genevieve

0:35:47.160 --> 0:35:49.880
<v Speaker 1>would help me start a taco stand. And you know

0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:55.960
<v Speaker 1>they don't care. They love me, and so it does.

0:35:56.480 --> 0:35:59.600
<v Speaker 1>If you're listening, do that for your for your significant other,

0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:04.040
<v Speaker 1>Let them know that no matter what happens, that you'll

0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:06.680
<v Speaker 1>be right there, and that that's the greatest thing in

0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:11.680
<v Speaker 1>the world is to know that you'll always have companionship.

0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:14.080
<v Speaker 1>No one's gonna abandon you. You know your parents have

0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:18.760
<v Speaker 1>done a good job making that a mantra of their lives.

0:36:18.800 --> 0:36:20.640
<v Speaker 1>Your dad has always said, Sharon, you can leave me,

0:36:20.719 --> 0:36:23.719
<v Speaker 1>but I'm coming with you. Yeah, you know he's just

0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 1>trying to divorce me. I'm going to pitch it in

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:28.120
<v Speaker 1>the front yard. I'm never leaving well. And what he's

0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:31.200
<v Speaker 1>saying is I need to know that you're not going anywhere,

0:36:31.239 --> 0:36:37.520
<v Speaker 1>and I know that and it's just great. So um

0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:41.840
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, marriage to Catherine has been a continuation of that,

0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:44.520
<v Speaker 1>that foundational feeling I've always had. It's fun and we

0:36:44.560 --> 0:36:47.399
<v Speaker 1>have a lot of fun together. I mean, we backing

0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:52.120
<v Speaker 1>an rv R. We travel, we go all over travel

0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:55.120
<v Speaker 1>with your rabbit, your hamster, and your dogs. So one

0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:58.360
<v Speaker 1>of the things that that your sister's type a personality

0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:02.080
<v Speaker 1>cannot stand as a blank calendar. So she she sees

0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:04.719
<v Speaker 1>a box on her calendar that doesn't have something to

0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:08.000
<v Speaker 1>do in it. She's got a She fills our dance

0:37:08.040 --> 0:37:10.080
<v Speaker 1>card pretty good. She keeps me going, which is good

0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:12.560
<v Speaker 1>because I would be a homebody without her, and I

0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:15.160
<v Speaker 1>never would have seen the things that we've seen or

0:37:15.200 --> 0:37:17.520
<v Speaker 1>done the things we've done. And so yeah, we bought

0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:21.560
<v Speaker 1>an RV. I mentioned it, that's joke to use it

0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:26.799
<v Speaker 1>as a ranch house, and uh, we bought it. Put

0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:28.600
<v Speaker 1>it at the ranch to have a place to sleep

0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:30.319
<v Speaker 1>out there. And finally she said, you know this thing

0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:33.360
<v Speaker 1>has wheels on it. Should we go up pull it around?

0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:36.279
<v Speaker 1>And so yeah, we've we've been doing that. The last

0:37:36.320 --> 0:37:38.520
<v Speaker 1>few years are like looking up r V parks all

0:37:38.560 --> 0:37:41.239
<v Speaker 1>over America, like, oh, this will people well where we

0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:44.239
<v Speaker 1>will RV this year. I love it And now I

0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:47.319
<v Speaker 1>want to buy on Harvy Park or build one. I've

0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:50.520
<v Speaker 1>got that in my mind. You know, Michael's aunt owns

0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:54.560
<v Speaker 1>an RV park right outside of Charleston. It's called Tacha.

0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:58.400
<v Speaker 1>I think she'd sell it. It is truly heaven't Like

0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:00.279
<v Speaker 1>I had never been to an RV park and we

0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:02.600
<v Speaker 1>went and stay it out there with an RV man.

0:38:02.640 --> 0:38:06.360
<v Speaker 1>There's a little store. Everyone's so nice. It's so fun.

0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:08.880
<v Speaker 1>Like some people live there full time. Other people just visit.

0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:11.640
<v Speaker 1>R V parks are where it's at. It's the soft

0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:14.840
<v Speaker 1>underbelly of the United States that you know, you drive

0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:18.279
<v Speaker 1>past these things, your whole life going on. You know,

0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:22.520
<v Speaker 1>RV park right, you pull in there and and it's

0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:26.680
<v Speaker 1>this whole little microcosm of life and awesome. We love it.

0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:29.319
<v Speaker 1>We love it. So that's been fun. We go all

0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:31.399
<v Speaker 1>over the place. We go to the Bahamas together every

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:36.799
<v Speaker 1>year a couple of times. Um, it's fun. Tell me

0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:41.040
<v Speaker 1>when Michael and I were first parents, we set out

0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:43.160
<v Speaker 1>by the fire actually here at holl Creek. Thing was

0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:47.080
<v Speaker 1>ever Christmas, drinking some wine me having full blown anxiety

0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:50.120
<v Speaker 1>attacks and Michael being calm, and you're giving us parenting advice.

0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:52.680
<v Speaker 1>And you gave us some really good parenting advice. And

0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:55.960
<v Speaker 1>I would like you to share that with us here. Um,

0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:58.360
<v Speaker 1>do you remember it, because I don't. One time you

0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:03.520
<v Speaker 1>said always smile, that's definitely tell me about that. Well,

0:39:03.640 --> 0:39:06.120
<v Speaker 1>when you have a baby, if it sees you smile

0:39:06.200 --> 0:39:09.200
<v Speaker 1>every time you see it, it's gonna smile back. If

0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:11.680
<v Speaker 1>you're frowning at it every time you frown, it's gonna

0:39:11.680 --> 0:39:13.920
<v Speaker 1>be one of those frownie kids. And I wanted a

0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:18.279
<v Speaker 1>smiley kid again, going back to desiring everything to be

0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:21.200
<v Speaker 1>happy and being a party. And so if you smile

0:39:21.400 --> 0:39:24.400
<v Speaker 1>at your baby every time you see it, it will

0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:26.920
<v Speaker 1>smile back at you. And if you surround yourself with

0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:29.640
<v Speaker 1>smiley people, you're gonna be smiley. So better start with

0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:35.480
<v Speaker 1>your kids. Um. And so yeah, just we did that

0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:39.240
<v Speaker 1>as we were intentional about that, although that wasn't hard

0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:42.480
<v Speaker 1>because if you can't look at a baby and smile,

0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:45.840
<v Speaker 1>you know they wear you out. It is it is

0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:53.560
<v Speaker 1>mind boggs. Yes, um, she she she was not a

0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:59.560
<v Speaker 1>good sleeper. And Um, when you don't get enough sleep,

0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:02.560
<v Speaker 1>here's another piece of advice. If you're not sleeping, you're

0:40:02.600 --> 0:40:05.879
<v Speaker 1>not thinking right. If you are worried all the time, man,

0:40:05.920 --> 0:40:11.160
<v Speaker 1>you need some sleep. Because I started thinking the sky

0:40:11.400 --> 0:40:13.680
<v Speaker 1>was gonna fall, you know. I was standing over her,

0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:17.480
<v Speaker 1>worrying about things in my business, worrying. You know. I

0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:21.480
<v Speaker 1>just had these irrational fears. But I think that's really normal.

0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:24.760
<v Speaker 1>I had like panic attacks. I've always been kind of anxious,

0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:27.320
<v Speaker 1>but like they went to a new level in pregnancy

0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:29.360
<v Speaker 1>and having a baby. Well, now because you've got somebody

0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:31.880
<v Speaker 1>is responsible for you. The scariest day of my life

0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:35.040
<v Speaker 1>was the day that I found out Catherine was pregnant

0:40:35.040 --> 0:40:39.080
<v Speaker 1>with gene View. We had come home from a weekend

0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:44.000
<v Speaker 1>at the ranch and I heard her scream in the bathroom.

0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:46.160
<v Speaker 1>I went in there with my flip flop over my

0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:48.040
<v Speaker 1>head because I thought there was a scorpion or something

0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:49.720
<v Speaker 1>I was gonna go kill it, and she was holding

0:40:49.719 --> 0:40:55.040
<v Speaker 1>a pregnancy test. I fell back on the bed and

0:40:55.920 --> 0:41:00.320
<v Speaker 1>the ceiling was spinning because I realized in that moment

0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:03.080
<v Speaker 1>I had done everything I could do to control the

0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:06.520
<v Speaker 1>outcome of the situation. I can't pick the gender, can't

0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:08.279
<v Speaker 1>pick what kind of kids you're gonna get You can't

0:41:08.280 --> 0:41:11.640
<v Speaker 1>make it healthy, you can't give it ten toes you are.

0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 1>You've lost control, and being out of control is an

0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:21.120
<v Speaker 1>uncomfortable feeling. And kids take over a huge part of

0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:23.600
<v Speaker 1>your life because they want to be fed, like almost

0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:31.040
<v Speaker 1>every day. Yeah, and so you really I had this

0:41:31.040 --> 0:41:33.680
<v Speaker 1>this crazy thought that I when I when we had

0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:37.040
<v Speaker 1>a baby, we gonna hold it with one hand and

0:41:37.080 --> 0:41:39.200
<v Speaker 1>do the rest of my life with the other hand. Yeah,

0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:43.720
<v Speaker 1>that's false, That is stupid. They need a hundred percent

0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:49.279
<v Speaker 1>of your attention. And so um yeah, I mean it's

0:41:49.320 --> 0:41:52.200
<v Speaker 1>just so heavy. It's so but it's so amazing. I

0:41:52.239 --> 0:41:55.200
<v Speaker 1>get now why everybody says it's the greatest thing you'll

0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:57.520
<v Speaker 1>ever do. But it's also like the hardest and scariest thing.

0:41:57.560 --> 0:42:03.400
<v Speaker 1>It's totally all those things. It is. And as your

0:42:03.440 --> 0:42:08.640
<v Speaker 1>kids because get older, it it finally starts to get

0:42:08.640 --> 0:42:11.520
<v Speaker 1>back to you. You know. I can remember the first

0:42:11.560 --> 0:42:15.120
<v Speaker 1>time I woke up and Genevieve was on the couch

0:42:15.239 --> 0:42:18.200
<v Speaker 1>eating a waffle that she had toasted for herself, and

0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:20.719
<v Speaker 1>I thought, oh my gosh, there is a light at

0:42:20.719 --> 0:42:24.680
<v Speaker 1>the end of the tunnel and it's not an oncoming train. Um,

0:42:24.760 --> 0:42:26.600
<v Speaker 1>we are going to get out of this. You know,

0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:29.200
<v Speaker 1>she she eventually will take care of herself, and boy

0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:35.240
<v Speaker 1>has she? Um? So yeah, it's but kids make you better.

0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:39.400
<v Speaker 1>They make you a better version of yourself because you know,

0:42:39.480 --> 0:42:43.200
<v Speaker 1>if you just try to live a life of m h,

0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:47.600
<v Speaker 1>you just can't be selfish when you're keeping another human

0:42:47.640 --> 0:42:50.880
<v Speaker 1>being alive. I mean, who when do you have the

0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:54.759
<v Speaker 1>opportunity to stand over a crib looking at something's little

0:42:54.800 --> 0:42:59.680
<v Speaker 1>chest going up and down, realizing you're responsible for keeping

0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:03.840
<v Speaker 1>that life going. It's scary, and it it forms you

0:43:03.880 --> 0:43:10.840
<v Speaker 1>into a better version of yourself after time. UM, I

0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:14.560
<v Speaker 1>love it. I love being a dad. It's really cool.

0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:17.400
<v Speaker 1>You're a really great dad. You had a really good

0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:20.640
<v Speaker 1>We've learned a lot from y'all. You are really good

0:43:20.719 --> 0:43:23.520
<v Speaker 1>at letting Genevieve figure things out on her own, and

0:43:23.560 --> 0:43:27.640
<v Speaker 1>like she you let her lead with her curiosity a lot.

0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:31.000
<v Speaker 1>And y'all don't ever like yell at her, get or

0:43:31.160 --> 0:43:34.720
<v Speaker 1>get frustrated with her. You always are good at explaining

0:43:35.000 --> 0:43:37.720
<v Speaker 1>the situation like it's making her a really great thinker.

0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:42.480
<v Speaker 1>You well, you know, when it comes to like the

0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:45.319
<v Speaker 1>safety aspect or letting letting her do things, we didn't

0:43:45.320 --> 0:43:47.719
<v Speaker 1>really have any control over that. We went. We took

0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:51.520
<v Speaker 1>her to visit my parents when she was very young,

0:43:51.840 --> 0:43:53.799
<v Speaker 1>and came back in the room and my mom had

0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:59.520
<v Speaker 1>her cutting paper with scissors, like sharp fiskers scissors. And

0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:03.680
<v Speaker 1>it was a test. I think mom wasn't a test um.

0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:06.279
<v Speaker 1>It was a test to see if Catherine would let

0:44:06.320 --> 0:44:08.440
<v Speaker 1>my mom you know, my mom. That's how we ran

0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:11.280
<v Speaker 1>our childhood. We just there. We wanted a lot of rules,

0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:14.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, they didn't With six kids, you don't have

0:44:15.000 --> 0:44:19.640
<v Speaker 1>time to administer all those rules, and so you can't

0:44:19.640 --> 0:44:22.120
<v Speaker 1>police and six kids, you just have to trust them

0:44:22.400 --> 0:44:24.680
<v Speaker 1>and let them get hurt and all those kind of things.

0:44:24.680 --> 0:44:27.719
<v Speaker 1>And so anyway, it started early, and I was the

0:44:27.760 --> 0:44:31.719
<v Speaker 1>same way my you know, same philosophy, like let her

0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:34.120
<v Speaker 1>run down the driveway. She's gonna smash her face, you know,

0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:36.600
<v Speaker 1>it's not gonna be the end of the world. And

0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:38.680
<v Speaker 1>she did smash her face, which she does have a

0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:43.560
<v Speaker 1>toneil that's messed up because it got smashed um under

0:44:43.560 --> 0:44:47.160
<v Speaker 1>a skateboard that I was sitting on. And I mean,

0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:51.200
<v Speaker 1>talk about responsibility, I mean just that those things happen,

0:44:52.560 --> 0:44:55.719
<v Speaker 1>and but you just gotta you know, scars or not.

0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:59.000
<v Speaker 1>The end of the world getting hurt, it's good for you.

0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Um any kind of experience that lets you know you're

0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:09.479
<v Speaker 1>gonna make it is great. I remember when we walked

0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:11.560
<v Speaker 1>to the Milford Track in New Zealand. I had never

0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:14.120
<v Speaker 1>done anything like that. Your family is good about you

0:45:14.160 --> 0:45:17.200
<v Speaker 1>know these adventures. Dad wants to be dropped off on

0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:18.799
<v Speaker 1>the side of the mountain and survived for the rest

0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:21.600
<v Speaker 1>of our three You your little butts off a roof

0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:24.239
<v Speaker 1>when you were kids, and taught you how to hit role.

0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:28.200
<v Speaker 1>He read a newspaper article about these kids who had

0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:30.640
<v Speaker 1>perished in the fire because they were too afraid to

0:45:31.160 --> 0:45:35.239
<v Speaker 1>jump off of a roof of a burning house. I

0:45:35.280 --> 0:45:36.880
<v Speaker 1>was not going to happen to his kids. So he

0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:39.920
<v Speaker 1>took a ladder out, made you climb up on the roof,

0:45:40.040 --> 0:45:43.120
<v Speaker 1>jump off and hit and roll. And that's one thing

0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:45.080
<v Speaker 1>about Dad I will always give him credit for he

0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:48.920
<v Speaker 1>always was he let us have total freedom and like

0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:52.120
<v Speaker 1>pursue or whatever. It was a heart desire, but he

0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:54.520
<v Speaker 1>was like, we're going to know how to survive and

0:45:54.560 --> 0:45:57.479
<v Speaker 1>we are going to know how to think for ourselves. Well,

0:45:57.680 --> 0:46:01.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, there are two two parenting styles. One you

0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:05.640
<v Speaker 1>can work really hard to protect your children from everything

0:46:06.000 --> 0:46:09.600
<v Speaker 1>that might happen to them, or you can give them

0:46:09.600 --> 0:46:15.399
<v Speaker 1>the tools to um deal with the things that are

0:46:15.520 --> 0:46:18.879
<v Speaker 1>going to happen to them. Kids are going to get hurt.

0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:26.600
<v Speaker 1>Um Trying to protect them from every injury isn't realistic.

0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:32.600
<v Speaker 1>It burdens you unfairly as a parent, and it runs

0:46:32.640 --> 0:46:37.120
<v Speaker 1>the risk of leaving them ill prepared for for dealing

0:46:37.160 --> 0:46:40.399
<v Speaker 1>with hardship as they grow up. So it's your kind

0:46:40.400 --> 0:46:43.799
<v Speaker 1>of opportunity to let them crash and burn a little bit.

0:46:43.800 --> 0:46:46.239
<v Speaker 1>But it is scary. I mean, Jenevy broke her arm

0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:50.480
<v Speaker 1>last year. Scared the heck out of me. You know.

0:46:50.840 --> 0:46:53.680
<v Speaker 1>It just you don't want your children to get hurt,

0:46:53.800 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 1>especially an injury that you know that we see people

0:46:57.760 --> 0:46:59.840
<v Speaker 1>having to deal with. You know, there are injuries that

0:46:59.880 --> 0:47:02.839
<v Speaker 1>you can't recover from and they can happen to anyone. Yeah,

0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:05.640
<v Speaker 1>there's no there's no protecting yourself. You just have That's

0:47:05.640 --> 0:47:07.640
<v Speaker 1>the part that I struggled with so much for a

0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:11.319
<v Speaker 1>long time of having It's like terrible anxiety with that

0:47:12.120 --> 0:47:15.200
<v Speaker 1>it can happen to anyone. It happens to the best people.

0:47:15.680 --> 0:47:18.799
<v Speaker 1>It's like that's the part of being a parent. But

0:47:18.880 --> 0:47:21.799
<v Speaker 1>how did your faith come into play with that? Well,

0:47:21.800 --> 0:47:24.640
<v Speaker 1>of course, of course, I mean that is the foundation

0:47:24.960 --> 0:47:29.080
<v Speaker 1>of my life, a belief in God and a belief that,

0:47:32.280 --> 0:47:35.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of my grandmother's philosophy, like, look, you

0:47:35.239 --> 0:47:38.440
<v Speaker 1>live enough life, you're gonna see some stuff. You're gonna

0:47:38.480 --> 0:47:41.959
<v Speaker 1>lose people who are important to you. You are going

0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:45.600
<v Speaker 1>to lose things that are important to you, abilities that

0:47:45.640 --> 0:47:51.920
<v Speaker 1>are important to you, you know, And um, so definitely,

0:47:52.120 --> 0:47:57.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, if you, if you, you've got to have faith,

0:47:57.719 --> 0:48:00.960
<v Speaker 1>and that faith is a really challenging thing. As if

0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:06.319
<v Speaker 1>you're if you're mildly intelligent, it's hard to believe in

0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:10.440
<v Speaker 1>something you can't see. Period. If you if you know science,

0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:15.239
<v Speaker 1>if you know the way the world turns, believing in

0:48:15.360 --> 0:48:19.719
<v Speaker 1>God is a challenge and so you have to have

0:48:19.760 --> 0:48:26.280
<v Speaker 1>a capacity for mystery to get there. Um. I am

0:48:26.560 --> 0:48:31.520
<v Speaker 1>tempted all the time by my own knowledge base to

0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:35.480
<v Speaker 1>say it's not possible. We're just a little twitching bag

0:48:35.560 --> 0:48:39.080
<v Speaker 1>of chemicals. And the reason I believe in God is

0:48:39.400 --> 0:48:45.080
<v Speaker 1>that my you know, the the ancestors who believed in

0:48:45.080 --> 0:48:48.560
<v Speaker 1>this stuff also formed themselves into little groups and they

0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:51.319
<v Speaker 1>were successful, they lived, and now I'm still here. You

0:48:51.360 --> 0:48:53.960
<v Speaker 1>know you can, you can get real smart and talk

0:48:54.000 --> 0:49:01.160
<v Speaker 1>yourself out of out of belief. But I pent of

0:49:01.200 --> 0:49:06.279
<v Speaker 1>the time, I'm a firm, firm believer in a God

0:49:06.360 --> 0:49:09.200
<v Speaker 1>who loves me. What has that felt like in your life?

0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:13.000
<v Speaker 1>I always like to talk to people about feeling God

0:49:13.120 --> 0:49:16.359
<v Speaker 1>actually like personally because we all have different experiences than

0:49:16.400 --> 0:49:20.520
<v Speaker 1>I think. Whenever you actually do feel God for yourself

0:49:21.120 --> 0:49:23.080
<v Speaker 1>is when it makes it easier to believe in God.

0:49:23.120 --> 0:49:26.240
<v Speaker 1>At least for me, that was how it went. Well.

0:49:30.000 --> 0:49:33.960
<v Speaker 1>You know, like I said, I've lived a wonderful life

0:49:34.320 --> 0:49:40.120
<v Speaker 1>and I've always felt hashtag blessed, you know, like I so,

0:49:41.840 --> 0:49:44.600
<v Speaker 1>but that's not real. But you also it's your perception

0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:47.840
<v Speaker 1>because you've had heart to happen to you. Yeah, um,

0:49:47.880 --> 0:49:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I choose happiness that we talked about that, but I think, um,

0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:57.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, God doesn't promise you sunshine and rainbows. That's

0:49:57.200 --> 0:50:01.160
<v Speaker 1>not the promise of God. The promise is that he

0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:03.560
<v Speaker 1>loves you and he'll take care of you in his

0:50:03.600 --> 0:50:06.960
<v Speaker 1>own way. And I think the very best thing that

0:50:07.000 --> 0:50:11.640
<v Speaker 1>has happened for my walk with faith is becoming a father.

0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:15.319
<v Speaker 1>Because you hear about God the Father, he is our

0:50:15.400 --> 0:50:21.880
<v Speaker 1>father right in in the Christian Bible, and I you know,

0:50:22.000 --> 0:50:24.960
<v Speaker 1>I never really focused on that side of God. He

0:50:25.000 --> 0:50:30.520
<v Speaker 1>was more like God the ruler and or God the creator.

0:50:31.600 --> 0:50:34.719
<v Speaker 1>Once you become a father or a parent, a mother,

0:50:36.040 --> 0:50:41.520
<v Speaker 1>you understand what that means to be to be a parent,

0:50:41.760 --> 0:50:44.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, like your child is safe, they can do

0:50:44.160 --> 0:50:48.520
<v Speaker 1>no wrong, they can you'll the story of the prodigal Son.

0:50:48.600 --> 0:50:54.279
<v Speaker 1>I was revisiting that last week, and you know, you're

0:50:54.320 --> 0:50:59.000
<v Speaker 1>always wanted, You're always welcome back home, like come on home.

0:50:59.040 --> 0:51:01.120
<v Speaker 1>And I think that that is the joy of God,

0:51:01.160 --> 0:51:04.720
<v Speaker 1>like that no matter what's going on in my life,

0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:07.520
<v Speaker 1>he wants me. He wants me. I am desired to

0:51:07.600 --> 0:51:12.960
<v Speaker 1>buy him. And that's a what a great thing, you know,

0:51:13.040 --> 0:51:17.560
<v Speaker 1>what a cool concept that there's some this you know,

0:51:18.480 --> 0:51:23.279
<v Speaker 1>huge being that wants me. I mean, that's cool, and

0:51:23.280 --> 0:51:26.000
<v Speaker 1>that everything that's happening is for your greatest good ultimately,

0:51:26.080 --> 0:51:29.160
<v Speaker 1>even if it doesn't feel like that. Yeah, I mean, well,

0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:32.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, if you believe in if you believe in heaven,

0:51:33.000 --> 0:51:36.680
<v Speaker 1>if you believe in the Bible, the world is not

0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:41.160
<v Speaker 1>where we're headed. This is a place for us to

0:51:41.239 --> 0:51:44.160
<v Speaker 1>be challenged. This is a place for us to choose

0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:52.279
<v Speaker 1>um and so he's not promising You're not gonna getience.

0:51:52.360 --> 0:51:55.880
<v Speaker 1>There is no faith, no healthy faith, no healthy religion

0:51:55.920 --> 0:51:58.960
<v Speaker 1>in this world that says if you do everything, your

0:51:59.000 --> 0:52:02.520
<v Speaker 1>life is going to be perfect. That's not that, that's

0:52:02.560 --> 0:52:05.640
<v Speaker 1>not his promise. And no life. Have you look at

0:52:05.640 --> 0:52:08.279
<v Speaker 1>any life out there? No life is perfect. And there's

0:52:08.280 --> 0:52:10.160
<v Speaker 1>been stuff happening in the world for as long as

0:52:10.160 --> 0:52:13.520
<v Speaker 1>it's been around. That's it. Yeah, they're famine. I mean,

0:52:13.560 --> 0:52:17.000
<v Speaker 1>look what's happening right now. You cannot control these things,

0:52:18.400 --> 0:52:21.400
<v Speaker 1>and we choose to believe in a god who allows

0:52:21.400 --> 0:52:29.840
<v Speaker 1>these things to happen. We can't understand why, you know, you, um,

0:52:29.920 --> 0:52:32.160
<v Speaker 1>you don't know why children are allowed to get cancer.

0:52:32.480 --> 0:52:35.279
<v Speaker 1>You don't know why young people are allowed to die.

0:52:37.000 --> 0:52:39.760
<v Speaker 1>We have that That goes back to the capacity for mystery.

0:52:40.160 --> 0:52:42.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, you have to be open to understanding that

0:52:42.960 --> 0:52:47.600
<v Speaker 1>he loves you and all of this is part of it,

0:52:47.680 --> 0:52:55.840
<v Speaker 1>you know. Um. Yeah, I love feeling sturdy in my faith.

0:52:55.880 --> 0:52:59.879
<v Speaker 1>I love feeling loved and protected and and knowing that

0:53:00.040 --> 0:53:04.960
<v Speaker 1>there is this great thing waiting for me if if

0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:08.040
<v Speaker 1>he lets me in. Fingers crossed, I think you're going

0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:11.880
<v Speaker 1>to get in, Willie. Oh man, I don't know. Okay,

0:53:11.920 --> 0:53:15.040
<v Speaker 1>so we're gonna wrap up. This is really fun talking

0:53:15.080 --> 0:53:18.560
<v Speaker 1>to you. Documented this conversation too well. We always have

0:53:18.640 --> 0:53:21.840
<v Speaker 1>these conversations by the way, sometimes by the fire. We

0:53:21.880 --> 0:53:24.560
<v Speaker 1>had a little uh late night glass of wine. Man,

0:53:24.600 --> 0:53:26.799
<v Speaker 1>I drank a whole bottle by myself. Well, you don't

0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:30.480
<v Speaker 1>have to admit to volume. You know, I'm not going

0:53:30.520 --> 0:53:35.399
<v Speaker 1>to tell how much purple teeth in the morning. Yeah,

0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:37.759
<v Speaker 1>that's strong because I'm sharing a room with Sunny. So

0:53:37.800 --> 0:53:39.400
<v Speaker 1>I came in there with my purple teeth and I'm like,

0:53:39.440 --> 0:53:42.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to go brush them away with purple teeth.

0:53:42.680 --> 0:53:44.320
<v Speaker 1>And also I probably just was really ready to go

0:53:44.360 --> 0:53:48.200
<v Speaker 1>to bed. Yeah, you always give me good brotherly advice.

0:53:48.360 --> 0:53:49.759
<v Speaker 1>I never had a brother. You give me a good

0:53:49.800 --> 0:53:52.080
<v Speaker 1>sister leaveing. I love your perspective of the world. Taught

0:53:52.080 --> 0:53:54.160
<v Speaker 1>me the younger sister version. You know, had a younger

0:53:54.200 --> 0:53:57.480
<v Speaker 1>sister sister never did. Never did. You got two wonderful

0:53:57.680 --> 0:54:00.840
<v Speaker 1>older sisters who are awesome. I talked to with them yesterday.

0:54:00.920 --> 0:54:05.880
<v Speaker 1>But um, yeah, it's uh. You have been a wonderful

0:54:06.200 --> 0:54:09.440
<v Speaker 1>little sister. It's been fun. And even when you didn't

0:54:09.440 --> 0:54:14.200
<v Speaker 1>like me in Spain, I knew you'd come around. So

0:54:14.560 --> 0:54:18.239
<v Speaker 1>I always end with leave your light and it's really

0:54:18.239 --> 0:54:21.360
<v Speaker 1>wide open. What do you want people to know? Just

0:54:22.080 --> 0:54:27.040
<v Speaker 1>very wide open. Just the first thing that comes to mind. Man, UM,

0:54:27.080 --> 0:54:30.920
<v Speaker 1>just find the best way to be happy in your

0:54:30.960 --> 0:54:34.480
<v Speaker 1>own version of that. Find a way to feel safe

0:54:34.800 --> 0:54:39.319
<v Speaker 1>and happy and to also, UM, one of the best

0:54:39.320 --> 0:54:41.960
<v Speaker 1>ways to get there is to provide that feeling for

0:54:42.040 --> 0:54:46.400
<v Speaker 1>somebody else, whether it's a parent or a sibling, or

0:54:46.440 --> 0:54:52.120
<v Speaker 1>an old neighbor or a child. UM, find a way.

0:54:52.560 --> 0:54:54.440
<v Speaker 1>If you can find a way to give that away,

0:54:54.719 --> 0:54:57.839
<v Speaker 1>you'll feel it yourself just in doing that. So man,

0:54:57.960 --> 0:55:00.920
<v Speaker 1>just be happy, smile, smile today. This is a fun time,

0:55:01.560 --> 0:55:03.719
<v Speaker 1>what a crazy time to be alive. And know what

0:55:03.760 --> 0:55:06.080
<v Speaker 1>are your thoughts about navigating this in the world. I

0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:08.040
<v Speaker 1>don't have a care in the world, you know. I

0:55:08.080 --> 0:55:12.359
<v Speaker 1>think it's UM, I'm gonna be smart. I'm sitting here

0:55:12.440 --> 0:55:14.760
<v Speaker 1>with you and Michael in the middle of the country,

0:55:14.840 --> 0:55:17.120
<v Speaker 1>and we're doing our best too. I don't want to

0:55:17.120 --> 0:55:20.840
<v Speaker 1>get sick. Mostly from the functional standpoint, I don't believe

0:55:20.880 --> 0:55:24.680
<v Speaker 1>that I would die if I got coronavirus. But UM,

0:55:24.760 --> 0:55:26.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be trapped in some hospital that

0:55:27.080 --> 0:55:28.920
<v Speaker 1>they're not letting me out of or something like that.

0:55:29.000 --> 0:55:32.000
<v Speaker 1>So we're trying to stay healthy. Um, but I don't

0:55:32.360 --> 0:55:35.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't fear this at all. I've lived through h

0:55:35.200 --> 0:55:38.480
<v Speaker 1>one in one stars, bird flu, swine flu, y two K.

0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:43.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean there's always some thing coming at you. So

0:55:43.760 --> 0:55:48.319
<v Speaker 1>it's just wild. Just it's just as a wild time. Yes, yes,

0:55:48.400 --> 0:55:52.239
<v Speaker 1>these times. Come pay off your debt, y'all, hear me.

0:55:52.680 --> 0:55:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Go look at Dave Ramsey. I mean I love Dave Ramsey.

0:55:56.080 --> 0:55:59.120
<v Speaker 1>You love Dave Ramsey, and uh yeah, I go. If

0:55:59.160 --> 0:56:01.319
<v Speaker 1>you don't know who Dave mv is, go find him

0:56:01.360 --> 0:56:04.279
<v Speaker 1>because when if you if you don't have those pressures,

0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:06.840
<v Speaker 1>if you can find a way to get your financial

0:56:06.880 --> 0:56:13.240
<v Speaker 1>financial house in order, um, everything else becomes easier everything.

0:56:14.360 --> 0:56:17.240
<v Speaker 1>Buying a new tahoe will not make you happy. Having

0:56:17.280 --> 0:56:19.760
<v Speaker 1>the money you spent on that tahoe in your bank

0:56:20.080 --> 0:56:23.040
<v Speaker 1>can because it keeps you safe in these times. You

0:56:23.080 --> 0:56:26.839
<v Speaker 1>don't have to uh to worry. So that's it. There's

0:56:26.880 --> 0:56:30.320
<v Speaker 1>my light. Stay financially strong, because that's kind of a

0:56:30.400 --> 0:56:33.720
<v Speaker 1>that's a thing in this in this world, money can't

0:56:33.719 --> 0:56:35.719
<v Speaker 1>buy you happiness, but it sure is fun to cry

0:56:35.719 --> 0:56:42.879
<v Speaker 1>in a ferrari um stay happy. Just stay happy. Yeah,

0:56:43.080 --> 0:56:45.280
<v Speaker 1>go make somebody else happy and it will make you happy.

0:56:45.840 --> 0:56:48.680
<v Speaker 1>I love that. Thank Bro for recording your life with

0:56:48.719 --> 0:56:50.520
<v Speaker 1>me on my podcast. Didn't even have to use a

0:56:50.520 --> 0:56:54.279
<v Speaker 1>safe word. Oh yes, love you to