1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: Thank you guys. 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 2: We are back on normally. 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 3: They so what normal it takes for when the new 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 3: kids weird? And during this Christmas quality season, we are 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 3: taking questions from you. Ask us anything. Carol's got a 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 3: bunch queued up for us. I'm Mary Katherine Ham. How 7 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 3: you doing, Carol? 8 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 2: And I am Carol Markowitz. I am doing great. I 9 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 2: really love the. 10 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: Questions that our listeners send us. They really range from 11 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: serious to light, and I just enjoy reading through them 12 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: so much. So let's start with this one. I'm finishing 13 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: up at community college and looking at potential transfer schools 14 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: for next ball. Do you think it'd be better to 15 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: go to a secular school that has all the typical 16 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: progressive bells and whistles, or an explicitly Christian school that 17 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: has a more liberal theological bent. 18 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 2: I think that. 19 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: School is for college, and I'm not kidding. This is 20 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: what I tell my kids. It's for being around your 21 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: kind of people. It's for finding your potential spouse, it's 22 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: for making lifelong friends and potential work connections, and you 23 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 1: should choose the school. 24 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: That is best for that. 25 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: I know that I'm supposed to think that college is education, 26 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: but I just don't think so anymore. I don't think 27 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: there's anything that college can give you at this point 28 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: that you can't get in the outside world, and so 29 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: you have to see it as a social opportunity. And 30 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: this is literally what I tell my children. 31 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's all about what is most important 32 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 3: to you. If the faith part is most important, then 33 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 3: those might be your people, liberal theology or no right, 34 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 3: and so figuring out what is most important to you 35 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 3: is number one. But I mostly agree with you, Carol 36 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 3: that you know, when you're going to college, there's often 37 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: not much more that you could learn there than you 38 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 3: could out of just doing at doing a great books 39 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 3: curriculum on your own. You could do most of what 40 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 3: you get in college, which is one of the things 41 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 3: that is so sad about people losing the ability to 42 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 3: read books, because there's a long tradition of people getting 43 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 3: a very good education from just reading books. So, you know, 44 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 3: weighing that. I think also an important part of any 45 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 3: college education should be weighing how much you want to 46 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 3: go into debt, yeah, because that will change the trajectory 47 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 3: of your life, and a lot of people take on 48 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 3: a lot of debt without thinking about how it will 49 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 3: change the trajectory of their lives. When I got out 50 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 3: of college with zero debt, I did not realize that 51 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 3: compared to my many of my peers, I was basically 52 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 3: a millionaire. Just yeah, I came out, I went on scholarship. 53 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 3: I came out with no debt. I made ten to 54 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 3: fifty an hour. And I thought I was, like, you know, 55 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 3: not doing well. It turns out I was doing pretty well. 56 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that's absolutely right. 57 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: I think that you have to consider what your future 58 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: career will be and how much that will make and 59 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: how much college costs, and there has to be some 60 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: sort of calculation there for that. Yes, but again the 61 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: advice I give my own kids, Like, I have a 62 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: fifteen year old, so this is already it's coming up fast. 63 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 1: But what I say to her is, I have three 64 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: very different kinds of kids. 65 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: They're not all the same. I think she needs to 66 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: be around brainy kids who are very driven. That's not 67 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: every single school. 68 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 1: So I kind of direct her to schools where she's 69 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: going to have these brainy driven kids, where there's a 70 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: Jewish population that she could potentially meet her spouse. Look, 71 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: this is important to me, and I'm open about it. 72 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: And then for future business work connections depending on her 73 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: field that we don't really know what that's going to 74 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: be yet, but that's what you want. You want those 75 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: three at least I want that for my kids. I 76 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: want those three things. 77 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: My younger sons. 78 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: I could see a completely different calculation for them. I 79 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: just I just think that each kid is obviously unique 80 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: and different. But for me, it's it's the social thing 81 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: more than anything else. 82 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 3: I think I did not use college enough for oh, 83 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 3: for professional connections. That is not a use the alumni network. 84 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 3: I didn't realize that that was a thing. It was. 85 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 3: I think it was a little bit of stubborn independence 86 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 3: on my part that I was just like, I'm going 87 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 3: to make it the way that I make it. And 88 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 3: it's like, well, why wouldn't you seek help young women? 89 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 2: But no, but's so true, it's so great, Why like, 90 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 2: why not get help? 91 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 3: But I did. I did know what I wanted, and 92 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 3: I wanted a big school with athletics that I could 93 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 3: attend and take part in, and a decent journalism program. 94 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 3: That's those were the things that were important to me. 95 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 3: And it put me with my people and the way 96 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 3: I found my people by the way because sometimes if 97 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 3: you get to a big college, it can be hard 98 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 3: to find where your people are. I went to UGA 99 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 3: and I ended up playing lacrosse on a club team, 100 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 3: which meant that all the women who are on that 101 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 3: club team were from out of state, So that out 102 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 3: of state people, why does it mean that because they 103 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 3: didn't have Lacrosse was not popular. 104 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 2: In the South at this point. 105 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 3: So I played on this team where everybody had come 106 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,119 Speaker 3: from other places. And it turned out that the personality 107 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 3: that comes from somewhere else to go to a giant 108 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 3: school where no one else is that they know, is 109 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 3: the personality type that I was drawn to. 110 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: And this was the totally I understand that. 111 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the team made it easy for all of 112 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 3: us to come together for some in state kids, but 113 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 3: that was my way of finding my slot when there 114 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 3: are thirty five thousand people at your school, So that 115 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 3: part can be tricky, right, It was demoralizing before I 116 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 3: found that. 117 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I could see that definitely. I also went 118 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: to a really big school. The accepting help part and 119 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,119 Speaker 1: you know, leaning into all that your school has to offer, 120 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: that's another I did not do that at all. 121 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 2: I didn't go see a guidance. 122 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: Counselor until the like two weeks before school I did 123 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: there and I was like, hey, so what do I 124 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: do with this political science degree? And she literally was like, 125 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 1: you could do anything. I was like like what, like 126 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: what like they name some things and She's like, you 127 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: could just do like anything. And I was like like what, 128 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: I need to take this back to my parents. What 129 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: do you got? I have no idea? What did I 130 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: just do? Like, I just finished college and I hadn't 131 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: even considered what I was going to do next. 132 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 2: So yeah, for you, Yeah, you're paying for it. 133 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 3: And the alumni network is such a big deal and 134 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 3: again something that I should have taken much more advantage 135 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 3: of and did not. 136 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, let's see. Let's see. 137 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: Okay, a more serious one, although the last one was 138 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: serious as well. What are your thoughts on the conspiracy 139 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: theories surrounding Charlie Kirk's death long ago? Trusted voices or 140 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: sounding crazy thoughts? 141 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 3: Please? 142 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: Look, we're recording this before the sit down with Erica 143 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: Kirk and Candace Owens. 144 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: I am very mixed on it. 145 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: I understand why Erica feels like she needs to do it. 146 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: I think it's bad. I think it legitimizes Candace, And 147 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that Candace stops when Erica tells her 148 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: to stop, which is what I imagine is the case here. Yeah, 149 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 1: the conspiracy theories make no sense. A Turning Point, people 150 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: wanted to kill Charlie Kirk, the guy who was like 151 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: running the whole organization and making them all money. 152 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 2: Why why did. 153 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: Like Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro donate a million dollars 154 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: to Turning Point after Charlie died? Because obviously the concern 155 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: is that the organization couldn't survive without its leader. 156 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 2: They understood that, why would they kill their leader? That 157 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 2: makes no sense? 158 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 3: For what none of it makes any sense? And I 159 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 3: think we have a cultural problem where a very well 160 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 3: earned trust trust deficit in the mainstream media and in 161 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 3: mainstream institutions leeds people to go, okay, well I'm not 162 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 3: going to trust a lot of this at first blush. 163 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 3: So when they get a story, they go, well, okay, 164 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 3: is that true? Let's weigh it. But it should not 165 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 3: simply stop there. You must use your discernment. You ask 166 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 3: questions like the ones Carol asks, which is like, does 167 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 3: this actually make sense? But I think trust deficit plus 168 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 3: personality driven news plus an attention economy means that it 169 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 3: can really incentivize dreamly bad habits, extremely bad ways of 170 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 3: sort of clouding issues instead of trying to make them clearer. 171 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 3: And frankly, this is something that is my beef with 172 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 3: the mainstream media often is like, why are you You're 173 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 3: not trying to make things clearer, You're making things more 174 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 3: when there are clear answers, and so you know I 175 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 3: and as you do, Carol, and like, there are plenty 176 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 3: of people who disagree with me on issues, but I 177 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 3: do attempt to tell the truth, to make things clearer 178 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 3: to people, to try to be in this you know, 179 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 3: morass of the way we do news now, to be 180 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 3: a person who can be trusted in certain ways. And 181 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 3: I just think like figures like Candice end up making 182 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 3: a ton and being incentivized to capitalize on this horrible 183 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:58,119 Speaker 3: tragedy and the attention that comes with this, the murder 184 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 3: of her alleged former friend. And I agree with you, 185 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 3: Carol that, like going into a summit with somebody who 186 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 3: has completely different motivations than you do, could turn out 187 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 3: quite badly. But God is stronger than a personality disorder, 188 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 3: So I will hope for better than that. 189 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you, I hope for better, But I 190 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: just feel like Candace is going to use this for 191 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: content and that's going. 192 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 2: To be the whole story there. Rooting for them otherwise, 193 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 2: but I just I just don't see it. 194 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 3: And I also have to say, when you're when you're 195 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 3: tossing all this stuff around, and if whoever you're listening 196 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 3: to is doing it in a soap opera type manner, 197 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 3: people's lives are actually happening here, they are living, so 198 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 3: I can't imagine having to deal with what Erica is 199 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 3: dealing with while raising her kids. And one of the 200 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 3: reasons she speaks out so much is partly to fill 201 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 3: the vacuum that is otherwise being filled totally by bad actors. 202 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 3: And then she gets, of course, accused of being bad 203 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 3: because she's speaking out. 204 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: But right what I can't win, and that's that's the 205 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: situation here. She she'sn't crying enough, she's crying too much. 206 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: Like it's just you know, we talked about that several 207 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: times on Widow Defense on this show, but she's in 208 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: it just a really tough spot and she wants to 209 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: see Turning Point succeed understand her, I really do. I 210 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 1: get like Tucker Carlson is a cancer on that organization 211 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: and on the conservative movement. I understand why they are 212 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 1: still including him in their events. He when Charlie died, 213 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: he was pretty adamant about including Tucker. They were very 214 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: good friends. But Tucker's like even further lost his mind 215 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: since Charlie has Charlie was killed, Tucker has become like 216 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: somebody who spreads the conspiracy theories. 217 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 2: You know. 218 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: He he went on THEO vonn and he spread the 219 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory about Egyptian planes. Candas is pushing. Make your 220 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: stupid conspiracy theory makes sense? What were the Egyptian planes? 221 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: What is what does that even mean? The Egyptian government 222 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: took Charlie out Israel through Egypt took them out, like, 223 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: come on, stop it. 224 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 3: I mean at one point it was like France Israel. 225 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 3: And to make it so, there's so many. 226 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and she changes all the time, yes, and. 227 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 3: It changes according to what is getting attention and what 228 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 3: is throwing you off the formerly promised big scoop that 229 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 3: never comes to fruition. So use your discernment when you're 230 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 3: listening to you, just just as you would with mainstream 231 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 3: media when you go, okay, can I figure out what 232 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 3: is true and what is not? 233 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: Yeah? 234 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,599 Speaker 3: I do think we have a cultural issue with reliable 235 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 3: narrators and a dearth thereof and this is unfortunately bad 236 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 3: actors can be incentivized in really bad ways. 237 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: Another one, last Candace Owens question, and you know, I 238 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: always hope to never speak of her again. But if 239 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: Candace Owens was the GOP nominee versus Josh Shapiro, who 240 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 1: gets your vote? 241 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 3: Dear me? 242 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: See what I say in situations like this is I 243 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 1: wouldn't vote for either Democrat. 244 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 2: But I just do. I couldn't. I could not vote 245 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 2: for either one of them. 246 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: I I you know, I don't think that Candace is 247 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: a conservative of at all. I don't know what tied 248 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: her to the Republican Party whatsoever anymore. I don't share 249 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: any ideals with her. I think she's a repugnant person. 250 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 1: So no, I wouldn't, you know, hold. 251 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 2: My nose and vote for her. 252 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: But I'm also not voting for a Democrat who sits 253 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: by as his party becomes more and more anti Israel, 254 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: anti Semitic, who knows he wasn't picked for the vice 255 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: presidency by Kamala Harris because he's a Jewish Man and 256 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: doesn't say anything about it and continues to defend them. 257 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: So look there, you know, grows to me in different ways, 258 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: And maybe Candace is far more troubling to me and 259 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: just a danger. I think again, she's also a cancer 260 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: to the conservative movement. But I'm not voting for either 261 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: of these people. 262 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I would likely not vote for either 263 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 3: of them. I would probably listen to Shapiro with a 264 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 3: more open mind. I think there's there's a lot about 265 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 3: Candace that I think make her not good, not good. 266 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 3: Yes to big big lely bigly not good. 267 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: Dad, Yeah, you know, I don't. Again, I don't think 268 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: we need to pick either of those libs personally. 269 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 2: Well. 270 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 3: So that's the thing too, is like eventually we can 271 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 3: do better on the choices. 272 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe we get some better options. 273 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 3: I saw an Axios today. Kamala Harris is like moving 274 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 3: toward another run, and it's like, ma'am, I believe we 275 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 3: can do better. 276 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: Yes, I believe we could be unburdened by what has been. 277 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 3: Yes, there's so many Americans. Let's do better. 278 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so many Americans. 279 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: Who is your most loyal listener, and why is it 280 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: nook e James nine zero two nine. 281 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 2: Nook, you are one of our most loyal listeners. 282 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: I would say my husband is probably number one because 283 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: he listen to every episode offers feedback on every single episode. 284 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: Is like, I don't know about this part. I don't 285 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: know what you guys said here, but you're up there, Nook, 286 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: you really are. I love hearing from you, and I 287 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: love that you listen to the show and tell us 288 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: what you think. 289 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 3: Yep, I would say Jeremy is up there too. 290 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jeremy sndor rots. He's fantastic. 291 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: He often sends us things for the show or notes 292 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: about the show. 293 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 2: We appreciate you very much, Jeremy. 294 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 3: Yes, we love a loyal listener. 295 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. I feel like this is a gotcha, 296 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 2: but we're going to do it anyway. Would you be 297 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 2: proud if one of your children went to work for ice? Hell, yeah, 298 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 2: I'd be proud. Why wouldn't I be proud? 299 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: Why wouldn't I be proud if one of my kids 300 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: went into law enforcement? 301 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 2: I don't even understand the question. 302 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we in this family would have no 303 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,479 Speaker 3: issue with kids going into law enforcement or military service. 304 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 2: Like what is that? Okay, I don't understand the premise here. 305 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: It shouldn't exist. Immigration officials shouldn't exist. 306 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: Just make it make sense again, This is the flip 307 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: side of the Candice insanity, Like, you make no sense. 308 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: This whole thing makes no sense. ICE is an organization 309 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: that is there to prevent immigration fraud, for to stop 310 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: people who come in illegally. Yeah, of course they deport people. 311 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: They were doing that in Obama administration, and you didn't 312 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: have a problem with that. And if you do, now, 313 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: that's not a problem with the system. That's not a 314 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: problem with ICE. You have a problem with people being not. 315 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 2: Allowed to break laws. That's where your issue lies. 316 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: And so yeah, I would one hundred percent be proud 317 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: if one of my kids decided to be an ICE agent. Yes. 318 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 3: Well, and also would you like people who are well 319 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 3: educated in civil rights and the guarantees of the Constitution 320 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 3: to end up in law enforcement, because that's the kind of. 321 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 2: Kids I'm raised, theo's O the kind of kids we have. 322 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 3: And so those are actually the kind of people you 323 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 3: need in law enforcement because there can be problems with 324 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 3: the monopoly of force of the state. And if you 325 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 3: don't have a bunch of good actors who counter some 326 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 3: of the bad actors, you'll end up in a really 327 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 3: bad situation. So I think that, yes, of course. 328 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 2: Right, I mean, I don't see why not. In this house, 329 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 2: we exactly. 330 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: My kids are also always like when they meet other 331 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: kids who like don't know the first five amendments of 332 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: the Bill of Rights, Like, I've known that and that. 333 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 3: Was five, Yes, important stuff. 334 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 335 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: My daughter's in a class that's nicknamed a PUSH. It's 336 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: ap us history, very very difficult, apparently, and she's like, 337 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: I learned all of this as a small child. 338 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 2: Like she's like, I listened to the Hamilton soundtrack. I 339 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 2: don't understand who doesn't? 340 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 3: And yes, you know, don't we learn that there? 341 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: Right, So her joke is whenever we're like in the 342 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: car and a Hamilton song comes on, she hold on, 343 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: I have to study for a PUSH. But yeah, I 344 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: teach your kids civics and the rights of people in America, 345 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: and I don't see a problem with them wanting to 346 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: enforce the law as ice agents. If you don't like 347 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: the law, go change the law, Go try to run 348 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: on it, run on it. That's like will continue to 349 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: be my problem with Democrats and illegal immigration. They will 350 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: never run on I want an open border, but that's 351 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: ultimately what they're saying. They're saying, I would like to 352 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: have an open border, but they can't run on it 353 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: because they know they would never win again because Americans 354 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: don't want that, so they kind of try to sneak 355 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: it in like Biden did. 356 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 2: And Americans noticed when the border was open. So they're 357 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: in a tough situation. But I don't see why it 358 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 2: should be our job to help them out of it. 359 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 2: Because you want something, you should run on it. 360 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. Also, tactically speakingly, you turned me from an immigration 361 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 3: squish into an immigration hawk like that you lost MK. 362 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 3: Your actions had consequences with this voter, and honestly with 363 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 3: a lot of voters. Now that doesn't mean they stay 364 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 3: where they are forever, but they were upset about the 365 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 3: chaos for a reason. And we have to have rules, 366 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 3: and it is not an operable situation to use the 367 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 3: statue of liberty engraving to run policy. 368 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, that's not. 369 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 3: An answer to how you secure borders right. 370 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: Right, As an immigrant, I can say that I oppose 371 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: legal immigration and I think we need to have a 372 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: secure border. That's what you need to have a country. 373 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: You need laws, you need rules. 374 00:17:58,040 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 2: That's the way it works. 375 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: What topics have y'all agreed to agree to disagree on? 376 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: I mean we've heard of them, people heard us. I 377 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: think we see the tax on the Venezuela and drug 378 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: boats differently. The thing is that we do agree on 379 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: a lot of things in general. Otherwise I don't know 380 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: that we would have signed up to do the show. 381 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 1: Part of it is that we I feel like, come 382 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: from a similar place ideologically. But yeah, of course we're 383 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: going to disagree on things. I feel like, here's what 384 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: I think. I think that I have become less libertarian 385 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: as I've gotten older, and I think we both started 386 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: from a more libertarian place, and I've I've decreased in libertarianism. 387 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: I just don't think it works when other people aren't 388 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: libertarians too, Like, I think libertarianism only works when everybody's libertarian, 389 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: because if you're like, you know, I don't think the 390 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 1: government should try to change policy through like tax credits, 391 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 1: for example, And then the Democrats get in and they're like, 392 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to alter you know, social policy, see via 393 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: funding from the government. 394 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 2: You can't have that. Then only one side is winning, 395 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 2: and it's just you know, doesn't work out. 396 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I used to be much more libertarian, 397 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 3: but often the consequences of those policies end up being 398 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 3: bad in real life, or like you said, you end 399 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 3: up in a situation where you feel sort of unilaterally disarmed, 400 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 3: which is how a lot of conservatives feel on a 401 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 3: regular basis. And honestly, a lot of a lot of 402 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 3: the cultural wins of a vibe shift Trump era are 403 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 3: simply in bullying corporations and elite institutions enough that they'll 404 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 3: just be neutral like that. That's a win for me. 405 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 3: But I don't object to the bullying to neutrality. I 406 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 3: don't want to bullying them into being everything I want. 407 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 3: I don't desire that. But a lot of you know, 408 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 3: there are libertarians who would say, like any of the 409 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 3: pushing is wrong, and I don't agree. 410 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 2: With that part, right yeah, yeah, yeah, because I think neutral. 411 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, do you have to like be strong enough. Again, 412 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 3: this is like a cultural self respect thing. You have 413 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 3: to have enough respect for your own values to say like, no, 414 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 3: we don't want to get pushed around by target or 415 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 3: by yeah bugs for whoever it is all the time, right, 416 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 3: And that's the fight that we lost frankly in public education. 417 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 2: For a long time. 418 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I hope we can get back to it 419 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: in public education. That one seems like a harder road, 420 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: which is why I think so many conservatives are for 421 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: school vouchers. That just make sense if you could opt 422 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: out of the system. But it's funny because I actually 423 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: don't think we should abandon public schools. I think we 424 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: do need to fight for that neutrality. I don't know, 425 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things about I love vouchers. 426 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. Absolutely. 427 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: School choice is one of my top issues, and I 428 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: support it completely. But in a lot of places there 429 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: just aren't private schools that the kids can go to, 430 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,479 Speaker 1: and there aren't other options, and until then we need 431 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: to fight for those public schools to be ideologically neutral, 432 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: and that that fight continues. 433 00:20:58,080 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 3: I think there's good news in the fact that the 434 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 3: New York keeps covering the kids can't read good. Do 435 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 3: you see San Diego? Yeah, the kids can't read good, 436 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 3: they can't do math good. Just confronting these things is 437 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 3: important and leads us closer to a world in which 438 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 3: you can send your kid to a neighborhood school where 439 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 3: they do reading, writing, and arithmetic. That is what the vast, 440 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 3: vast majority of parents want from a school, and if 441 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 3: they would do it, they'd win a lot of hearts 442 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 3: and minds. 443 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 2: That's all parents want. 444 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: It's really not that hard, all right, last question, mkay, 445 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: let's do it. What would be some dream long term 446 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: career goals? Your own cable show, writing, more books, keep 447 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: up the good work. Oh, I don't have dreams. 448 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 2: I do not dream of labor. 449 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 3: I wrestle with this because I'm like, is there something 450 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 3: I should be doing? And again, I'm not much of 451 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 3: a planner, but I wonder is there some big work 452 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 3: that I need to be working on. I do think 453 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 3: I I wish that I had more brain capacity to 454 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 3: do harder and deeper work than I do a lot 455 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 3: of the times. And I think that might be a 456 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 3: stage of life and parenting issue. 457 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, but as you said, fog is real. 458 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, and as you said the other day when 459 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 3: we jumped on a call and You're like, why do 460 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 3: I write? Writing is hard? 461 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 2: Writing is so hard. 462 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 3: Writing is hard. Talking is easier, and I happen to 463 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 3: have been given the ability to talk. But there are 464 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 3: times when I'm like I really I need to retrain 465 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 3: my brain as the kids are not doing in school right, 466 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 3: to write longer form and to read form. 467 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 2: You know, I really don't have any other goals. 468 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: I hate to say that because it sounds like I've 469 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: given up, But I like where I am. I love 470 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: having this show. I love having my own show. Love 471 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: writing for The New York Post and for Fox and 472 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: other places. I like it, and I like my balance 473 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: with the I like taking time off. I'm about to 474 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: take time off shortly after we record this, and I'm 475 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: really looking forward to it. I'm definitely not writing any 476 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: more books. Writing is really hard and pretty hard books are, like, 477 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: you know, our book did really well, and still I 478 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: feel like, you know, it's just the amount of work 479 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 1: for the pay is like I don't think anything is 480 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 1: lower than books, Like I think you could go work 481 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: at McDonald's and do better than book writing. 482 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't know. 483 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,719 Speaker 1: I'm pretty satisfied with the current situation and not feeling 484 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: particularly ambitious to do more that could change. I felt 485 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: more motivated than ever during COVID to write. I was 486 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: non stop writing, and you know, every time I meet 487 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,159 Speaker 1: new people who know who I am, it's because of 488 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: the COVID years and they're like, you know, you kept 489 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: me sane. 490 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 2: I appreciate you so much. I write doing the post 491 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 2: every week. I really love that. 492 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: So who knows, maybe there'll be some other incident that 493 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,719 Speaker 1: motivates me to not stop writing about it and that'll 494 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: be where I find myself again. 495 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 2: But for now, this is the whole ball. 496 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of time for me. The question is 497 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 3: what is the work for. And the work is for 498 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 3: standing up for things I believe in, modeling that for 499 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 3: my kids, enjoying the work that I do and the 500 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 3: balance that it gives me in my life. And most 501 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 3: of all, it's for serving the fact that I can 502 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 3: hang with my family and provide a life for them. Yeah, 503 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 3: that's what the work is for. 504 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 2: That's what it's all about. 505 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: Well, thanks for joining us on this very special episode 506 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: of Normally. 507 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 2: Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays, and you can subscribe anywhere 508 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 2: you get your podcasts. 509 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: Get in touch with us at normallythepod at gmail dot com. 510 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, and when things get weird, act Normally