WEBVTT - White Sox check up w/Sox Machine + Twins updates w/Dan Hayes

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about the White Sox right now. Jim Margolis

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<v Speaker 1>joining us from Socks Machine. It's part of the FT Network.

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<v Speaker 1>multiple show slash podcasts per week. Jim, good to see it,

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<v Speaker 1>and great times for the White Sox. They sweep the

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<v Speaker 1>Tigers and they're in their best spot they've been in.

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<v Speaker 1>So how real is it feeling that this team is

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<v Speaker 1>going to go from one hundred lost season to a

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<v Speaker 1>division title.

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<v Speaker 2>It's still hard to grasp just because the White Sox

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<v Speaker 2>have had three hundred lost seasons in a row. Their

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<v Speaker 2>preseason ambitions were muted in terms of wins and losses.

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<v Speaker 2>They're still talking about developments versus any kind of tangible

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<v Speaker 2>goals of a winning record or a wildcat spot.

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<v Speaker 3>Or even the division.

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<v Speaker 2>So to see them sweep the Tigers in Detroit, which

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<v Speaker 2>finally tilted their fangrafts projections for the postseason. Now they're

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<v Speaker 2>at sixty three percent. Had been below fifty percent the

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<v Speaker 2>entire time because it always takes the systems the longest

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<v Speaker 2>time to catch up.

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<v Speaker 3>To what over performers are doing.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it certainly was a statement series in the

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<v Speaker 2>sense that they very well could have been swept by

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<v Speaker 2>Detroit and left America Park in second place and said

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<v Speaker 2>they turned the tables. They take all three, the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the Central has a pretty bad time over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>And now, yeah, you would have to say that if

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't make the postseason, if they didn't win the Central,

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<v Speaker 2>it would require it would be a disappointment, depending on

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<v Speaker 2>the shape of it, depending on how hot other teams

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<v Speaker 2>have to get, it would be considered a collapse, which is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's a weird way.

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<v Speaker 3>To think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>But on the other hand, to think that the White

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<v Speaker 2>Sox are in a position to where it would be

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty stunning disappointment if they didn't make the postseason

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<v Speaker 2>based on how they entered the year, I think that

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<v Speaker 2>reflects ultimately just how charmed their season has been.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so charm season. Yeah, we didn't nobody expect it,

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<v Speaker 4>including Chris Getz in the front office. They didn't build

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<v Speaker 4>a team expecting to get here. So what do you

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<v Speaker 4>need to see from this team from now until the postseason?

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<v Speaker 4>Which you said, hey, it looks like they're gonna make

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<v Speaker 4>it so that they have success, or does a Sox

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<v Speaker 4>machine shut down after the first round of the playoffs

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<v Speaker 4>and say what an amazing season.

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<v Speaker 2>Pitching, basically starting pitching, I think right now is the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest gap. They have three starters you can pencil in

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<v Speaker 2>right now. With Davis Martin go on the injured list,

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<v Speaker 2>there isn't a proven or you tested ready replacement in

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<v Speaker 2>the miners to fill the spot, So right now you're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing two TBAs in there are probable pitcher listings. And

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<v Speaker 2>then Sean Burke his last time out stuff was flatter,

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<v Speaker 2>missing a tick or to a velocity. He's approaching a

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<v Speaker 2>career high innings, so you're seeing this rotation. They added

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<v Speaker 2>Luis Castillo, who should help in terms of having an

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<v Speaker 2>arm that doesn't require a lot of maintenance.

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<v Speaker 3>The rest of the way.

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<v Speaker 2>But between Burke and Anthony Kay who has never has

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<v Speaker 2>certainly been through this length of a season Stateside, then

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<v Speaker 2>Davis Martin signs of him wearing down rookies who are

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get in the rhythm of a major league season.

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<v Speaker 2>Noah Schultz didn't quite take David Salin's had some moments

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<v Speaker 2>but has had more struggles. Drew Thorpe could be back

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<v Speaker 2>to maybe make his first major league start in two

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<v Speaker 2>years after Tommy John There are a lot of holes

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<v Speaker 2>and some candidates to fill those gaps, but there isn't

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<v Speaker 2>anybody who inspires a whole lot of confidence at this time.

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<v Speaker 2>So Will Venable has been able to cover for it

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<v Speaker 2>with creative bullpen use, some long outings. We just saw

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<v Speaker 2>Sean Newcombe record a two and a third inning save.

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<v Speaker 2>He hasn't been afraid to go to the bullpen early

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<v Speaker 2>to play matchups. He's been very proactive, which helps. I

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<v Speaker 2>think if you're talking about that first round exit, you

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<v Speaker 2>could see a pitching staff where if they aren't able

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<v Speaker 2>to find some kind of continuity in the rotation between

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<v Speaker 2>now and October and they don't have the kind of

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<v Speaker 2>they still have to kind of play all out to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that they lock down a spot because it's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing's a given yet, then you might wonder if they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to run out of gas come October. But everybody

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<v Speaker 2>expects them to tail off at some point, or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they had their first four game their last team to

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<v Speaker 2>lose four games in a row and that finally hits

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<v Speaker 2>and you're thinking, okay, this is the beginning of the end.

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<v Speaker 2>It was fun or Detroit finally closes within being a

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<v Speaker 2>series of first place, and they're the hottest team in

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<v Speaker 2>the ALE, and a lot of fans who are out

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<v Speaker 2>expecting this, and a lot of even I would say

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<v Speaker 2>projection systems, for example. There are a lot of reasons,

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<v Speaker 2>whether emotional or math, to think that this isn't going

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<v Speaker 2>to quite hold up. But every time he starts thinking

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<v Speaker 2>the evidence is mounting against them actually sustaining this, they

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<v Speaker 2>rally back in a pretty impressive fashion.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, one of the things that helps a pitching staff

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<v Speaker 5>is a good lineup. And right now, Mirakami has twenty

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<v Speaker 5>eight homers. Vargas has to twenty eight homers. But I

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<v Speaker 5>want to touch on Vargas real quick. So what has

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<v Speaker 5>been the most surprising thing about him? And could you,

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<v Speaker 5>I guess, make a case that he may be their

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<v Speaker 5>most complete indispensable player so far.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's been a journey with Vargas, certainly. I think

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of fans saw how he looked after the

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<v Speaker 2>trade from the Dodgers, the tweet of him kind of

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<v Speaker 2>slumped by the dugout rail at the Coliseum, just staring

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<v Speaker 2>into the distance and thinking like, what's happened to me?

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<v Speaker 2>And what's happened to the team? I used to enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>playing for going from the Dodgers to a White Sox

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<v Speaker 2>team that was on the verge of making the wrong

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<v Speaker 2>kind of history. But it's just been steady improvements, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of adjustments, a lot of no instant fixes. It's

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<v Speaker 2>been working on the body to get stronger and to

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<v Speaker 2>maintain weight over the course of entire season. It's been

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<v Speaker 2>adjustments with hands, with hips, with everything like that, trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get more power into a swing because he always

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<v Speaker 2>made good swing decisions like that was always the strength

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<v Speaker 2>of his game and his prospect profile. It was just

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<v Speaker 2>not translating to power. It was like translating to a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of medium, deep flyouts when he first arrived at

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<v Speaker 2>the White Sox. So he's a testament to the amount

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<v Speaker 2>of runway the White Socks were able to give him

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<v Speaker 2>by losing one hundred games three years in a row

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<v Speaker 2>and last season giving him the audition that a team

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<v Speaker 2>like the Dodgers could never give him. And that has

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<v Speaker 2>just been a lot of work on his parts. The

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<v Speaker 2>coaches tip it back to him saying, no, he's the

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<v Speaker 2>guy who did the work. He's the guy who believed

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<v Speaker 2>in making the changes. His twenty twenty five could have

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<v Speaker 2>been seen as fine, Like, I'm a major leaguer, might

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<v Speaker 2>be a second division regular or a platoon bat or

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<v Speaker 2>something like that, but I'm no longer at risk of

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<v Speaker 2>being optioned to the miners. But he took that and

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<v Speaker 2>he improved upon it further and he adjusted further. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>to your point about him being the most valuable regular,

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<v Speaker 2>I think he is probably the hardest guy to pitch

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<v Speaker 2>to you in the lineup in terms of play discipline

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<v Speaker 2>and the ability to make contact within the zone and

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<v Speaker 2>on the fringes of the zone, and that makes them

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<v Speaker 2>a difficult out. And then his ability to play a

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<v Speaker 2>decent third base also gives the team some flexibility in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of, you know, he's a very good first basement,

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<v Speaker 2>he's kind of a mediocre third basement, but playable when

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<v Speaker 2>he's hitting as well as he does. And just the

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<v Speaker 2>amount of configurations that Venable has for mixing up the

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<v Speaker 2>infield and rotating guys out and resting guys getting handedness advantages,

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<v Speaker 2>he certainly plays a big part in that.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, pull back a little bit. When you look

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<v Speaker 4>at this team and you've watched this team the entire season. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>the record is where it is. It's awesome. Have these

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<v Speaker 4>young hitters develop the way that you think they needed

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<v Speaker 4>to develop to be able to be a sustainable winner

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<v Speaker 4>year after year with a Colson Montgomery, I think he's

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<v Speaker 4>got like he's got a pretty good shot at striking

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<v Speaker 4>out two hundred times with the Miguel Vargas, all the

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<v Speaker 4>stuff you just talked about Antonachi coming up. Have they

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<v Speaker 4>developed the way that you think is sustainable or is

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<v Speaker 4>it kind of like, well, you know we've won a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of games, Well we've hit really well. I don't

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<v Speaker 4>know certain things are sustainable.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a couple holes I think in their lineup,

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<v Speaker 2>like they've struggled against teams with really high riding fastballs

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<v Speaker 2>that can get above the batpath. You can see that

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<v Speaker 2>mirror Comi and Colson Montgomery have gone quiet in those series.

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<v Speaker 2>If the pitchers are hitting their spots. So in their

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<v Speaker 2>current mode where they have a pretty a steep batpath,

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<v Speaker 2>they are you know, they can be pitched you in

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<v Speaker 2>a way where you can kind of see them, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe having a little bit too much reliance on the

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<v Speaker 2>home run, you know, versus the strikeouts that can pile up. However,

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<v Speaker 2>since seeing Tristan Peters, he wouldn't kind of a cold

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<v Speaker 2>spell after the All Star break, after a surprise appearance

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<v Speaker 2>in the All Star Game. He's come back and provided

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of flatter batpath, more average oriented bat that

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<v Speaker 2>is a nice contrast to the middle of the lineup.

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<v Speaker 2>Antonacci has been that pasted all year at the top

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<v Speaker 2>of the lineup and is getting better against lefty, so

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<v Speaker 2>he's less of somebody who needs to be platooned, and

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<v Speaker 2>Venable can use his right handed bats for other positions

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<v Speaker 2>of need. You're seeing Chase Mydraft, who has had he

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<v Speaker 2>had up and down first half wrestling strikeouts versus finding

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<v Speaker 2>his power swing. But he's set a career hind homer's

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<v Speaker 2>and now the strikeouts have come down as well, so

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like he's figured out the balance between when

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<v Speaker 2>to get his a swing off and when to hunt

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<v Speaker 2>power versus when to ratcheted back and be more of

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<v Speaker 2>the all around hitter or gap to gap hitter that

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<v Speaker 2>he was in Triple A and during his prospect days.

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<v Speaker 2>So when those guys are clicking, they provide a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of depth lineup that makes it less reliant on you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Murakami hitting a homer, Colson Montgomery hitting a homer. It

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<v Speaker 2>makes it less reliant on Braden Montgomery needing to hit

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<v Speaker 2>the ground running He's been a little bit up and down,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's a rookie.

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<v Speaker 3>That's forgivable.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think there's an diversity in the lineup now

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<v Speaker 2>that Peters is back that I think you can get

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<v Speaker 2>by with what they have. And then you get to

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<v Speaker 2>October and everybody is throwing ninety five plus and you're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing a lot of relievers in short stints and all

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<v Speaker 2>offenses kind of struggle. So I think they're probably in

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<v Speaker 2>about as good of a position as they can be,

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<v Speaker 2>in way better than anybody would have expected at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>I think everybody saw it as a as a multi

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<v Speaker 2>year project. There was some progress last year, more progress

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<v Speaker 2>need to be made, and they made a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>ground in a hurry.

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<v Speaker 5>So you know, you go from sweeping Detroit and now

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<v Speaker 5>you're going to face the Cubs at Wrigley. Do you

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<v Speaker 5>see this as a legitimate test or how do you

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<v Speaker 5>think this team is measuring up this game as they

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<v Speaker 5>move forward?

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<v Speaker 3>It's a test.

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<v Speaker 2>I think having the Tigers right in front of it

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<v Speaker 2>and that series being so crucial to their division race.

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<v Speaker 2>The Cub series is always big. It's usually some date

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<v Speaker 2>people circle because the teams are seldom good at the

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<v Speaker 2>same time, so one team is trying to play for

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<v Speaker 2>bragging rights and change the storyline in the city for

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<v Speaker 2>a weekend. But I think with the Tiger Series right

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<v Speaker 2>in front of it, it did take a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of this shine or the focus off the Crosstown series

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<v Speaker 2>because they had to take care of the business.

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<v Speaker 3>At hand in Detroit, and they did.

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<v Speaker 2>But the emotions, the environment is so charged, whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>South Side or North Side, that you know, this is

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<v Speaker 2>not a trap series by any means. Everybody knows the

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<v Speaker 2>Cubs are good, that they have a deep lineup, they

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<v Speaker 2>play really good defense. So there's no reason to think, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, should they lose the series that like they

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<v Speaker 2>took it off or that is emotional letdown. There will

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<v Speaker 2>be plenty of emotions, you know, coursing through the coursing

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<v Speaker 2>the Wrigley Field and then they have the braves right

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<v Speaker 2>after that. You know, it's it's not a week that

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<v Speaker 2>encourages a letup because the schedule got lighter.

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<v Speaker 4>Do that before I get to my next question, do

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<v Speaker 4>the players on the White Sox know the South Side

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<v Speaker 4>North Side? I'd like, are there enough guys that have

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<v Speaker 4>enough tenure because if aj if aj Perzinsky was on here,

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<v Speaker 4>he'd be like, oh, man, I hate the I hate

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<v Speaker 4>the North Side. They're the you know, the bad side.

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<v Speaker 4>Do these players know the rivalry?

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<v Speaker 2>The quotes in the first half or the first front

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<v Speaker 2>front end of the series on the season.

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<v Speaker 3>Were temping at best.

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<v Speaker 2>There were a lot of you know, while we take

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<v Speaker 2>every series important and to their credit, like they were

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<v Speaker 2>not in position where they could really pick opponents to

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<v Speaker 2>targets and use themselves to measure against.

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<v Speaker 3>Like they they had to take every series seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>They're in the process of building credibility, both individually on

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<v Speaker 2>the roster and as a team. So I think the

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<v Speaker 2>first time around there were a lot of players who

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<v Speaker 2>are talking about learning the series, looking forward to it,

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<v Speaker 2>but not really having anything spicy to say, which I

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<v Speaker 2>think is a disappointment if you're trying to find something

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<v Speaker 2>to run with for for clip for Twitter, or things

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<v Speaker 2>to play on sports radio.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's worth watching again.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether it's this series, whether it's next year, to see

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<v Speaker 2>as these players get some staying power, as they are

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<v Speaker 2>seen as fixtures on the White Sox and players who

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<v Speaker 2>are planned around, whether you see the emotions, how loud

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<v Speaker 2>it gets, how rowdy it gets in the crowd, whether

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<v Speaker 2>that actually embeds itself in these players and they start,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, speaking up for the fans the way you

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<v Speaker 2>know Aj has and other players have.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, speaking of Aj and myself, the catching position,

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<v Speaker 4>the catching position in the south side is filling the blank.

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<v Speaker 3>Cleveland lights.

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<v Speaker 2>I think right now with Jake Rogers coming aboard, you're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing them commit to defense, commit to framing, blocking, throwing,

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<v Speaker 2>game calling. Rogers gives them an experience catcher that they've

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<v Speaker 2>largely gone without. Edgar Carroll and Kyle Teal became the tandem.

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<v Speaker 2>Caro had been hitting better, and yet when the ability

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<v Speaker 2>to add Rogers came up through waivers, they did it,

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<v Speaker 2>and they sent Carow down to Triple A. And want

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<v Speaker 2>to give them the everyday playing time there still, but

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like they are committing to defense, to handling

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<v Speaker 2>the pitchers, batting them ninth and then whatever offense they provided,

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<v Speaker 2>and Derromo hit a huge homer against Detroit to get

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<v Speaker 2>back in the game on Sunday, Like whatever offense or

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<v Speaker 2>moments they provide the plate is more or less a bonus.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So there wasn't any like thing nefarious picking up

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<v Speaker 4>Jake Rodgers before this Detroit series, like he knew anything

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<v Speaker 4>or is that just a conspiracy theory.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the Tigers were asked about it, and just they

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<v Speaker 2>did not indulge that. Everybody's got scouting reports, everybody's got information,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody you know, everybody's on more or less an equal

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<v Speaker 2>playing field or even playing field when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>just the ability to scout. And some names have changed

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<v Speaker 2>between the last time Rogers was there too, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it doesn't hurt probably in terms of knowing a

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<v Speaker 2>little bits. But I think it really came down to

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<v Speaker 2>pitch handling first, or pitcher handling first, pitch calling, and

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<v Speaker 2>then perhaps anything else he can impart in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's just how to pitch the Detroit's, how Detroit's

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<v Speaker 2>going to pitch, or just in general like what a

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<v Speaker 2>veteran catcher provides who has seen a lot. I think

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<v Speaker 2>is more or less the kind of added bonus points.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's fair, Jim, good stuff, thanks for joining us,

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<v Speaker 1>and a reminder to everyone for much more White SOX coverage.

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<v Speaker 6>Jim, appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>also what they tried to accomplish a couple of weeks

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<v Speaker 1>ago at the trade deadline. Dan Hayes joining us right now,

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<v Speaker 1>can follow him covering the Twins every day for the

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<v Speaker 1>Athletic and of course on Twin Cities Territory part of

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<v Speaker 1>the FT network. Dan, if you don't mind, I actually

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<v Speaker 1>want to start there. We had Mitch Bannon on for

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<v Speaker 1>his point of view, but can we get your point

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<v Speaker 1>of view of what the Twins tried to do. They

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<v Speaker 1>did some things, but what they tried to do even

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<v Speaker 1>past what they accomplished at the trade deadline and how

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<v Speaker 1>that could have effected things down the stretch for them.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh yeah, I mean they tried to go big.

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<v Speaker 6>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>They got the baseline stuff out of the way early on.

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<v Speaker 7>They got their starting pitching depth and Dean Kramer, which

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<v Speaker 7>has proved very useful so far. They got aj Mentor

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<v Speaker 7>and Jeff Hoffman. They got Hoffman a little bit before

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<v Speaker 7>the deadline, but I mean they had three days to

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<v Speaker 7>work on that, and they were pretty confident going to

0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:56.919
<v Speaker 7>the last day they were going to land him. But

0:18:56.960 --> 0:19:01.760
<v Speaker 7>they were clearly aiming bigger because with the Angels, before

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<v Speaker 7>the Angels traded Jose Soriano to the Jays, the Twins

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<v Speaker 7>were in those conversations. The Cubs were to other teams

0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:13.399
<v Speaker 7>and the Twins were asking and pursuing. The Angels wanted

0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:16.000
<v Speaker 7>Walker Jenkins. The Twins did not want a part of that.

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<v Speaker 7>I think that's the one guy that they were not

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<v Speaker 7>gonna mortgage the future on. But they tried to talk

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<v Speaker 7>to him about Zach Needo also, and it was always

0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:29.960
<v Speaker 7>Walker Jenkins was the starting point there when with the Angels,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, so clearly they looked at I thought zach

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<v Speaker 7>Needo was the interesting part because, look, the Twins had

0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:39.399
<v Speaker 7>Kalen Culpepper ready to go at the top of the

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<v Speaker 7>minor leagues. He debuted Friday after the deadline in Milwaukee.

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<v Speaker 7>But the Twins pursued Nido, knowing he had three plus

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<v Speaker 7>years and that he has an accomplished shortstop and already here.

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<v Speaker 7>And I thought that was pretty interesting just because it

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<v Speaker 7>states how much they wanted to go for it. They

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<v Speaker 7>ultimately chose not to again. Jenkins wasn't gonna be somebody

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<v Speaker 7>they wanted to part with. But then when Soriano got

0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:09.120
<v Speaker 7>traded over to the Jays, they continued to pursue them.

0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:12.080
<v Speaker 7>With the Jays. Now, look, they were already talking to

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<v Speaker 7>the J's about Jeff Hoffman, so the conversation just sort

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<v Speaker 7>of came up. As what I was told was, they

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<v Speaker 7>were like, oh, how did that happen? You know, like

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<v Speaker 7>they're they're talking to these guys a lot. The Twins

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<v Speaker 7>and the Jays have made quite a few deals over

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<v Speaker 7>the last couple years. Louis Varland, Tommy Nants earlier in July,

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<v Speaker 7>so they had some you know, they were having a

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<v Speaker 7>little bit of a conversation and they said, like, how

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<v Speaker 7>did that come about? And they thought that the Jays

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<v Speaker 7>responded enough where there was an opening, so they just

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<v Speaker 7>pursued Soriano. And it sounds like the Jay has never

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<v Speaker 7>really entertained it because the Jays were kind of sitting

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<v Speaker 7>there and like the second piece was going to be

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<v Speaker 7>something along the lines of Riley Quick, and the Twins

0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:55.240
<v Speaker 7>didn't that's their top pitching prospect. They didn't want to

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<v Speaker 7>do a Kaitlin Culpepper, Riley Quick and that didn't go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 7>That converse didn't go anywhere, But I think it kind

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<v Speaker 7>of does reveal the mindset of where they're trying to go.

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<v Speaker 7>And you know, we heard about it back in spring training.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't think anybody took it serious, but the Twins

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<v Speaker 7>were in that from or Valdez kind of sweepstakes that

0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:18.400
<v Speaker 7>materialized late in January, right before spring training, and they

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<v Speaker 7>thought they'd made a significant offer. Detroit obviously came along

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<v Speaker 7>and blew out of the water, but the Twins were

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<v Speaker 7>trying to make a play there, and it's just kind

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<v Speaker 7>of where the owner is now. The owners trying to

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<v Speaker 7>win back fans desperately because the fans have tuned them

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<v Speaker 7>out and they're going to be down from last year

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<v Speaker 7>most likely with attendance, and last year was one point

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<v Speaker 7>seven million, So they're trying to basically win back fans

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<v Speaker 7>that have been disappointed since the end of the twenty

0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:48.280
<v Speaker 7>twenty three season with that payroll cut and then not

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<v Speaker 7>adding it to twenty four deadline and then trading everybody

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<v Speaker 7>at the twenty five deadline. So they're trying to reverse

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<v Speaker 7>course and kind of, as the owner said, make bold moves,

0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:02.680
<v Speaker 7>aggressive moves, that people wouldn't expect from us, And you know,

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<v Speaker 7>to some degree, not to the two hundred and forty

0:22:05.640 --> 0:22:07.680
<v Speaker 7>million that the Padres had a couple of years ago,

0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:10.040
<v Speaker 7>but to some degree they see the Padres as a

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<v Speaker 7>team that they'd like to kind of emulate, that goes

0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:16.600
<v Speaker 7>out and makes moves and you know, has a great

0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:19.240
<v Speaker 7>roster everybody's looking at every year. And I think one

0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:21.840
<v Speaker 7>reason they can at least entertain this is that there's

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<v Speaker 7>enough young talent on the roster where they could fill

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<v Speaker 7>in with more expensive players now achieving that convincing people

0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:33.280
<v Speaker 7>to come to Minnesota that's not easy, Like this is

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<v Speaker 7>definitely a tough sell players and free agency. You're subjecting

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<v Speaker 7>yourself to cold in April May and that that could

0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:43.840
<v Speaker 7>be a very tough sell. But it's ideally where they

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<v Speaker 7>want to go, and it's definitely a one to eighty

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<v Speaker 7>from where you know, I think everybody thought they were

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<v Speaker 7>totally totally.

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<v Speaker 4>I was one of the people that said, yeah, they're

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<v Speaker 4>definitely lying. But all that aggressiveness, you look at Soriano,

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<v Speaker 4>you look at netto two three years of troll still,

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<v Speaker 4>is that what the Twins look at with this team?

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<v Speaker 4>Are they right that this position player Corps has because

0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:14.200
<v Speaker 4>they always develop bullpen arms. Right, Obviously it'd be nice

0:23:14.200 --> 0:23:16.800
<v Speaker 4>to have Louis Varland, but they've always developed bullpen arms.

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<v Speaker 4>They have Joe Ryan, they had, you know, they have

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<v Speaker 4>some pitching out there. Is this the core that they're looking? Okay,

0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:26.119
<v Speaker 4>we have three years because Buxton's contract's going to be gone,

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<v Speaker 4>and are they right in making this move or are

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<v Speaker 4>they just trying to buy their friends?

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<v Speaker 7>It's it's a good question, but I do think there

0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:37.520
<v Speaker 7>have been signs that this is the right group. Look,

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<v Speaker 7>Brooksley is having a good season, his nineteenth home run

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<v Speaker 7>Grand Slam yesterday. Royce Lewis has shown a lot of signs.

0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:47.359
<v Speaker 7>He in May, his career looked like it was pretty

0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:50.399
<v Speaker 7>much on the ropes, and he's responded with an eight

0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:53.320
<v Speaker 7>hundred plus OPS for more than two months since he

0:23:53.400 --> 0:23:56.520
<v Speaker 7>came back from he's cut down his strikeouts. He looks

0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:59.880
<v Speaker 7>like the guy again. You have Luke Kishaw, who since

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<v Speaker 7>as a four hundred OPS sorry on base percentage and

0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:08.679
<v Speaker 7>like an eight hundred OPS. They got to find him

0:24:08.720 --> 0:24:11.560
<v Speaker 7>a position where he's comfortable, or get him comfortable in

0:24:11.560 --> 0:24:14.120
<v Speaker 7>the outfield. But like that guy's a gamer. He gets

0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:17.359
<v Speaker 7>on base, you look at those moves, they think that

0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:21.160
<v Speaker 7>Walker Jenkins coming. They're really excited about Von Lackey, who

0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:23.320
<v Speaker 7>they drafted in July. I don't think they look at

0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:26.239
<v Speaker 7>him as being a long ways away. And so when

0:24:26.280 --> 0:24:29.320
<v Speaker 7>you have those young pieces, I mean, especially with the

0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:34.639
<v Speaker 7>progress that Lee and Lewis have made this year, Like

0:24:35.800 --> 0:24:37.840
<v Speaker 7>who knew going into this year what they were going

0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:40.680
<v Speaker 7>to be if they could do enough. And there still

0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:43.000
<v Speaker 7>needs to be more improvement, but I think the signs

0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:46.280
<v Speaker 7>they've seen suggest those guys can be players that they

0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:48.359
<v Speaker 7>can build around, and then you go and get bigger

0:24:48.400 --> 0:24:51.560
<v Speaker 7>pieces in different spots. I don't know how you do it,

0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:54.159
<v Speaker 7>because there's so much in the outfield too. Right, you

0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:56.720
<v Speaker 7>have Buckston and he's in for a couple more years.

0:24:57.160 --> 0:25:01.720
<v Speaker 7>I think his contract expires after twenty eight, but he's

0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:04.399
<v Speaker 7>he's got a couple more years, and Walker Jenkins and

0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:08.159
<v Speaker 7>Emmanuel Rodriguez are there in the minor leagues. It like,

0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:10.400
<v Speaker 7>I don't know where you spend unless you go out

0:25:10.440 --> 0:25:14.080
<v Speaker 7>and spend on pitching. It's going to be interesting because

0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:17.639
<v Speaker 7>like do you get a DH you know they're gonna

0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:20.760
<v Speaker 7>they're I think they see this as that window and

0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:24.080
<v Speaker 7>they just need to do anything to attract fans because

0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:26.840
<v Speaker 7>it hasn't worked. What you know, this is a team

0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:29.960
<v Speaker 7>that drew two point three million in twenty nineteen and

0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:33.520
<v Speaker 7>it's gone downhill since then. I think they would have

0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:36.359
<v Speaker 7>been in line for a good, good attendance boosts in

0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:39.439
<v Speaker 7>twenty twenty four, but you cut payroll by thirty million

0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:42.679
<v Speaker 7>and disappointed your fans less than a month after you

0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:45.280
<v Speaker 7>won your first playoff series in twenty one years, And

0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:47.879
<v Speaker 7>that was just a huge mistake. It may have saved

0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:50.320
<v Speaker 7>them money in the short term, but it cost them

0:25:50.320 --> 0:25:51.879
<v Speaker 7>in the long term. I mean, we're probably look at

0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:54.000
<v Speaker 7>a team that would have drawn two million that year,

0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:56.800
<v Speaker 7>and they were seventy and fifty three at one point

0:25:56.800 --> 0:25:59.440
<v Speaker 7>in twenty twenty four and looking like they're streaking towards

0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:01.800
<v Speaker 7>the playoffs, and they ran out of gas because they

0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:04.919
<v Speaker 7>really didn't add anything to the deadline. That's I think

0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:07.920
<v Speaker 7>something that they realized they disappointed fans so much that

0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:10.360
<v Speaker 7>they just have to be aggressive and do things that

0:26:10.640 --> 0:26:13.720
<v Speaker 7>people don't expect them to do. So I don't know,

0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:17.359
<v Speaker 7>I don't know how it looks, but I see that

0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:20.240
<v Speaker 7>they're you know, they've talked about it. They've talked about

0:26:20.240 --> 0:26:22.600
<v Speaker 7>a lot. Tom pole Adds the new point man is

0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:26.600
<v Speaker 7>for ownership. He took over after the partial sale in December,

0:26:27.000 --> 0:26:28.840
<v Speaker 7>and he's gone on record with this a lot, and

0:26:28.840 --> 0:26:31.520
<v Speaker 7>that has not been something we've seen from Twins ownership

0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:34.160
<v Speaker 7>before in the forty plus years of the pole Add

0:26:34.200 --> 0:26:37.920
<v Speaker 7>family owning it. He's been aggressive with his his thoughts

0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:41.760
<v Speaker 7>publicly and basically saying we're going to do this. And

0:26:42.200 --> 0:26:44.880
<v Speaker 7>you know it's it's one thing to say that privately

0:26:44.960 --> 0:26:46.879
<v Speaker 7>and not, you know, have it be on the record,

0:26:46.880 --> 0:26:48.800
<v Speaker 7>but by putting it on the record, you're going to

0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:50.920
<v Speaker 7>get called out if you're not living up to this stuff.

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:53.679
<v Speaker 7>And I thought the deadline was solid. They did a

0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:56.520
<v Speaker 7>good job. They got the baseline stuff they needed. I

0:26:56.640 --> 0:26:58.520
<v Speaker 7>like probably a B or a B minus on their

0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:00.719
<v Speaker 7>grade for that. But they did a good job of

0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:03.840
<v Speaker 7>going and getting guys and they said they were gonna

0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:06.359
<v Speaker 7>do that, and it was it was one small step

0:27:06.440 --> 0:27:09.120
<v Speaker 7>to try and win back the fan base. There need

0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:10.800
<v Speaker 7>to be a lot more steps to win back the

0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:11.320
<v Speaker 7>fan base.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, hopefully they're starting to go in the right direction

0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:20.280
<v Speaker 5>with that, because yeah, it's when you said the attendance numbers,

0:28:20.440 --> 0:28:23.800
<v Speaker 5>it's mind blowing. So hopefully they're getting back to where

0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:26.720
<v Speaker 5>they need to be to be contenders. But this past

0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:29.520
<v Speaker 5>series they lost seven to one, nine to one, and

0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:33.159
<v Speaker 5>then they blew a five zero lead on Sunday. Do

0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:35.040
<v Speaker 5>you think that that was just one of those bad

0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:38.960
<v Speaker 5>series or do you think the Phillies expose something And

0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:41.400
<v Speaker 5>how do you think that stands? What information did you

0:28:41.480 --> 0:28:44.400
<v Speaker 5>pull to where it gives you information on if they

0:28:44.400 --> 0:28:46.480
<v Speaker 5>are true a playoff contender.

0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:49.680
<v Speaker 7>Well, the Twins have an interleague problem. I mean, they're

0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:52.480
<v Speaker 7>thirteen and twenty six against the National League this year

0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:55.600
<v Speaker 7>and tonight it gets no easier. Atlanta comes to town

0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:57.400
<v Speaker 7>and there's two lefties and the Twins have not been

0:28:57.440 --> 0:29:01.239
<v Speaker 7>able to hit lefties very well. You look at and

0:29:01.280 --> 0:29:04.880
<v Speaker 7>they go from here to San Diego. So basically they

0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:09.080
<v Speaker 7>are in this just terrible stretch for them schedule wise,

0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:12.160
<v Speaker 7>and they need to figure it out because Sunday was

0:29:12.280 --> 0:29:15.320
<v Speaker 7>pretty crushing to have the five nothing lead and it

0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:19.000
<v Speaker 7>slipped and you know, they it blew up on them fast.

0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 7>And I will say a post game was a little

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:26.160
<v Speaker 7>bit tense manager's office. It was a short session. You

0:29:26.200 --> 0:29:26.760
<v Speaker 7>could tell that.

0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:31.240
<v Speaker 7>It was disappointing weekend. They did not play well in

0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:34.400
<v Speaker 7>the field of dreams and nationally televised game. They were

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:39.120
<v Speaker 7>almost on Saturday night within they were an instant replay

0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:41.640
<v Speaker 7>overturn of Keishel getting thrown out at the plate from

0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:43.880
<v Speaker 7>tying the game, and it would have been one to

0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:45.720
<v Speaker 7>one in the fifth inning, and then all of a sudden,

0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:47.640
<v Speaker 7>you look up and it's eight to one in that

0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:50.040
<v Speaker 7>game is or eight to nothing and that game is over.

0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:54.520
<v Speaker 7>So Sunday they thought they had it and they had

0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:57.880
<v Speaker 7>their bullpen in place, and it just didn't happen again.

0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:02.720
<v Speaker 7>Philly's the middle of that lineup was very effective during

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:05.240
<v Speaker 7>the last two games of this series. Alec Bahum had

0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 7>seven hits. I don't think Alec Bohm will ever be

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:11.360
<v Speaker 7>invited back to target field. You know, they like the

0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:14.320
<v Speaker 7>three run homer yesterday was crushing, but then he blooped

0:30:15.160 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 7>a single in down the line to write and it's

0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:20.240
<v Speaker 7>one of those it's in no man's land and it,

0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:23.320
<v Speaker 7>you know, ties the game and then an Opo base

0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:26.480
<v Speaker 7>hit for to pull ahead. I mean, it was just

0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:28.840
<v Speaker 7>one of those days where it's like everything that could

0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 7>go wrong went wrong. Austin Martin got hurt on trying

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:35.760
<v Speaker 7>to track down a Louis Aurri's opposite field double that

0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:38.520
<v Speaker 7>hit off his glove and he's on the I l

0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:41.760
<v Speaker 7>that they placed him on the aisle, I will say.

0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:45.720
<v Speaker 7>Talking to Byron Bucks and afterwards, like he he stressed

0:30:45.720 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 7>that the guys are treating it the same and that

0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:52.520
<v Speaker 7>they are in the same mindset that you know, things

0:30:52.520 --> 0:30:55.040
<v Speaker 7>haven't changed, but it did still feel a little bit

0:30:55.080 --> 0:30:57.320
<v Speaker 7>more tense around there, and I think they do recognize

0:30:57.640 --> 0:31:00.880
<v Speaker 7>they're in a very tough stretch right now. They you know,

0:31:01.000 --> 0:31:02.920
<v Speaker 7>just a week and a half ago they were at

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:05.400
<v Speaker 7>five hundred and here they are five games under and

0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:08.720
<v Speaker 7>starting to see some distance between them and the White Sox.

0:31:08.800 --> 0:31:11.080
<v Speaker 7>It's six games back in the division and then also

0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:13.360
<v Speaker 7>even in the wildcard race, and the one thing that's

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:16.440
<v Speaker 7>been lucky for them all season is nobody's really pulled

0:31:16.440 --> 0:31:18.480
<v Speaker 7>away in the wildcard race. I think they're one and

0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:22.560
<v Speaker 7>a half back right now in that sixteen blog for

0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:27.520
<v Speaker 7>the third spot. That's that part's encouraging that it's still

0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:29.160
<v Speaker 7>there for them, But that's a lot of teams to

0:31:29.400 --> 0:31:32.200
<v Speaker 7>keep track of and beat out, and unless you start

0:31:32.240 --> 0:31:35.040
<v Speaker 7>taking care of business, I mean, it's not going to

0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 7>be there. So I think they understand that. But also

0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:42.080
<v Speaker 7>I you know, talking to guys, they didn't seem to

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:45.080
<v Speaker 7>be flustered. That's been one of those team's strengths all year.

0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:48.000
<v Speaker 7>Just when it seems like it's over to everybody else,

0:31:48.040 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 7>they turn it around. And they have done that. But

0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:53.720
<v Speaker 7>it's a really tough stretch right now to turn it around,

0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 7>given it's the Braves and then the Padres on the road.

0:31:57.160 --> 0:32:01.560
<v Speaker 4>All right, Well, they fired rockoball Deli and now under

0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:05.800
<v Speaker 4>Shelton this team is playing better? Is it Shelton? Is

0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 4>it not? Is Rocko getting too much credit for what

0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 4>he did or didn't do from last year? Where is

0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:18.080
<v Speaker 4>this at? And is that mindset a manager's mindset directly

0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:20.520
<v Speaker 4>tied to Derek Schell.

0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:23.480
<v Speaker 7>Look, I will say the new energy, the new life

0:32:23.880 --> 0:32:27.880
<v Speaker 7>certainly has been appreciated, There's no question. I think everybody

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:31.120
<v Speaker 7>there was a like I truly think the thirty million

0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:33.480
<v Speaker 7>dollars payroll and then not seeing ads at the deadline

0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:38.080
<v Speaker 7>in twenty four just put a sour taste on everything

0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:40.520
<v Speaker 7>for a lot of people. And I think it, you know,

0:32:40.840 --> 0:32:42.360
<v Speaker 7>they felt like they were up against it, they had

0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:45.040
<v Speaker 7>to do it with limited resources, and that when it

0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:48.240
<v Speaker 7>didn't happen. They pulled the plug in twenty twenty five

0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:52.120
<v Speaker 7>and that team was barely out of it. However, the

0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:55.240
<v Speaker 7>league wasn't nearly as bad as it was as bad

0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:58.560
<v Speaker 7>as it is this year the American League, but you know,

0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:01.720
<v Speaker 7>they had a similar record where they were, so there

0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:04.440
<v Speaker 7>is a new energy around it. I think the players

0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:09.200
<v Speaker 7>in the clubhouse really love what Derek Shelton's brought's. He's personable,

0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:13.920
<v Speaker 7>he's close to a lot of them. You know, he's

0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:17.880
<v Speaker 7>a communication kind of first guy, and when it's been

0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:20.720
<v Speaker 7>tough decisions made. When they told Luke Keishall at first

0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:23.760
<v Speaker 7>that hey, you know, we know you drafted you as

0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:26.360
<v Speaker 7>a second baseman. We know that's the position you've played

0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:28.600
<v Speaker 7>most of your career, but we're going to replace you

0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 7>defensively late in games. He had a conversation with him

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:33.520
<v Speaker 7>about it and was just give him a heads up,

0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:36.640
<v Speaker 7>but then went back and kind of talked over a

0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:39.160
<v Speaker 7>second time with him. He said, that's something he learned

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:43.720
<v Speaker 7>in Pittsburgh, was the importance of that communication. And I

0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:47.640
<v Speaker 7>remember talking to Keishall about it two days later and

0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:49.920
<v Speaker 7>his response was, you know, he went out of his

0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:51.480
<v Speaker 7>way to look out for me, just so I wasn't

0:33:51.520 --> 0:33:54.080
<v Speaker 7>blindsided by stuff, and I really appreciated him doing that.

0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:57.239
<v Speaker 7>And you can find that conversation having happened over and

0:33:57.280 --> 0:33:59.880
<v Speaker 7>over and over with players in the clubhouse, and Keishall

0:33:59.880 --> 0:34:02.360
<v Speaker 7>was responded. I think he had an extra base hit

0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:04.880
<v Speaker 7>that was critical in a victory, like the next day

0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:08.440
<v Speaker 7>after he got replaced defensively, and I think, you know,

0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:11.200
<v Speaker 7>those kinds of things have mattered with these guys. I

0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 7>think that Shelton's approached it just a little bit different.

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 7>There seems to be just one. I mean, the coaching

0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:21.759
<v Speaker 7>staff is Grady Sizemore and it has LaTroy Hawkins as

0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:25.279
<v Speaker 7>the bullpen coach. Guys love the coaching staff. They've talked

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:28.160
<v Speaker 7>about that openly. They trust the coaching staff. I remember

0:34:28.160 --> 0:34:30.680
<v Speaker 7>early in the season Trevor Larnox saying, and as he's

0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:34.839
<v Speaker 7>being platooned, he talked to the veterans. The veterans said,

0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:37.480
<v Speaker 7>this coaching staff is really good, and they all trusted that,

0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:39.680
<v Speaker 7>and they kind of just bought in. And I think

0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:42.960
<v Speaker 7>that has gotten them some extra mileage. Now they have

0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:45.040
<v Speaker 7>the parts in the bullpen to get through. They didn't

0:34:45.040 --> 0:34:48.920
<v Speaker 7>have those bullpen pieces in April, in May and they

0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:52.640
<v Speaker 7>got some as it slowly developed. Yo wenders Gomez they

0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:56.799
<v Speaker 7>got as a find for cash in a trade for

0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:59.880
<v Speaker 7>cash with the Rays in late April. He's developed in

0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:03.399
<v Speaker 7>to a nice ninth inning guy. Andrew Morris is having

0:35:03.440 --> 0:35:05.320
<v Speaker 7>a little bit of a rut as a rookie you

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<v Speaker 7>know does in the bullpen. It's not unexpected right now,

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<v Speaker 7>but like he's been critical to them. And then they

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<v Speaker 7>went out and added aj Minter, and they added Tommy Nance,

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<v Speaker 7>and they added Jeff Hoffman, and they built out the debt.

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<v Speaker 7>But the starting rotation has struggled lately. They're giving up

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<v Speaker 7>two many first name runs. They're just constantly playing from behind,

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<v Speaker 7>and that's been pretty troubling for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, underrated coaching staff for what they've done this year.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm with you on that one. Dan, thanks for joining

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<v Speaker 1>us a lot more of this of course on mile

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<v Speaker 1>or mile high on Twin Cities territory. Dan, thank you, appreciate.

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<v Speaker 7>You all right, guys, thanks there.

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<v Speaker 6>It is Twin Cities for you subscribe to it.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a mile high, but Twin Cities for this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Talking twins, Zach Peerce, Tyler Duffie former twin and Dan

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<v Speaker 1>who was just with us, Go check it out