1
00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:20,439
Speaker 1: Lute force. If it doesn't work, you're just not using enough.

2
00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:26,320
Speaker 1: You're listening to software Radio, Special Operations, Military nails on

3
00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,800
Speaker 1: straight talk with the guys in the community.

4
00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,640
Speaker 2: Welcome to this episode of soft Rep Radio. I'm even

5
00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,640
Speaker 2: wearing a shirt that says soft Rep. Just approve that

6
00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,400
Speaker 2: my name is Rad your host. I have a very

7
00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,760
Speaker 2: special guest today, Dale Buckner, former Green Beret Special Forces.

8
00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:51,320
Speaker 3: Let me go ahead and read a little bit about

9
00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:52,320
Speaker 3: Dale real quick.

10
00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,440
Speaker 2: Okay, so, Green Beret Dale Buckner, current CEO of international

11
00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,520
Speaker 2: security firm Global Guardian. Dale used his military background to

12
00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,200
Speaker 2: start the company and last year evacuated over eleven thousand

13
00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:03,760
Speaker 2: people out of Ukraine and Russia.

14
00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:05,480
Speaker 3: They've also evacuated close.

15
00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,119
Speaker 2: To seven hundred people from Afghanistan after the government collapsed,

16
00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,000
Speaker 2: and over three thousand people during the COVID nineteen border crisis.

17
00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,320
Speaker 2: Global Guardian works with organizations over thirty in the fortune

18
00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,679
Speaker 2: one thousand that want to protect their people, assets, and

19
00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,280
Speaker 2: communications at home and abroad. They offer a wide range

20
00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:28,480
Speaker 2: of services including emergency response, security, intelligence, evacuations, and kidnap

21
00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:29,640
Speaker 2: and ransom services.

22
00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:30,080
Speaker 3: Okay.

23
00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,399
Speaker 2: Global Guardian began with just eight ground teams in twenty

24
00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,720
Speaker 2: twelve and now has teams on the ground in one

25
00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,559
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty four countries. They actively go on missions

26
00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:43,479
Speaker 2: in countries such as Iraq, Syria, Brazil, Mexico, Taiwan, Russia

27
00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,959
Speaker 2: and Ukraine. They support complex and challenging locations, while many

28
00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,400
Speaker 2: of their competitors do not. They also help their clients

29
00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,040
Speaker 2: in terrorist and natural disaster situations, filling the void left

30
00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,080
Speaker 2: by insurance companies. So, since twenty sixteen, Global Guardian has

31
00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,640
Speaker 2: responded to at least one hurricane a year and helped

32
00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,640
Speaker 2: evacuate thousands to safety. And the person that I have

33
00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,040
Speaker 2: with me today is Dale Buckner, in charge of all

34
00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,040
Speaker 2: of those things. I just said, welcome to the show.

35
00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,799
Speaker 4: Thanks, Rad, you're hired. I would take you on as

36
00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,400
Speaker 4: a salesman tomorrow because you just explained the business in detail.

37
00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:15,880
Speaker 3: You know, and just a show.

38
00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,040
Speaker 2: This is what happens when you decide as a young man, right,

39
00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:20,480
Speaker 2: how old were you when you joined the military?

40
00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:20,880
Speaker 3: Dale?

41
00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,399
Speaker 4: So, I was nineteen. I was at a debt at

42
00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:29,600
Speaker 4: Mansfield University. I joined the Pennsylvania National Guard as a private,

43
00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,120
Speaker 4: went through basic ait and airborne school as a private,

44
00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,400
Speaker 4: and then continued on through college until I got commissioned.

45
00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,520
Speaker 2: So you bucked the system and enlisted. Whennen as an

46
00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,480
Speaker 2: enlisted guy, decided to educate yourself and become more of

47
00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,160
Speaker 2: a military career minded individual to become an officer, is

48
00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:46,800
Speaker 2: that what I'm hearing?

49
00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, to a degree. I mean I had an ROTC scholarship.

50
00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,680
Speaker 4: I don't even think this exists anymore, but back in

51
00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:56,480
Speaker 4: the nineties they had this thing called SMP. I'm dating myself,

52
00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,440
Speaker 4: of course, simultaneous membership program where you could be in

53
00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,920
Speaker 4: the National Guard, enlisted, and you can be a cadet

54
00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,160
Speaker 4: at the same time the eventuality that you'd eventually get

55
00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,760
Speaker 4: commissioned as an officer. And that's the path I was on.

56
00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,920
Speaker 2: So when you went through basic as a private and

57
00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,160
Speaker 2: you know, went to Airborne school, did you know you

58
00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,120
Speaker 2: were going to go through the Special Forces course? Is

59
00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:20,280
Speaker 2: this something that you had lined up?

60
00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:20,839
Speaker 3: No?

61
00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,239
Speaker 4: In full transparency, I think I was like a lot

62
00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,680
Speaker 4: of people in school, I had no idea what I

63
00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,959
Speaker 4: really wanted to do. I was trying to figure it out.

64
00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,760
Speaker 4: Like many I gravitated towards the military obviously, and then

65
00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:37,200
Speaker 4: ROTC and then enlisting in that unit. It was eye opening,

66
00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,720
Speaker 4: and I think what I learned is the military for

67
00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,000
Speaker 4: me is I love the teamwork. I did execute a

68
00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:48,880
Speaker 4: internship with Delta Airlines, and I just didn't like the

69
00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,400
Speaker 4: corporate culture. When I was that young and I didn't

70
00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,960
Speaker 4: have a plan to go in the military on active duty.

71
00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,040
Speaker 4: I did have the option to go in the reserves,

72
00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,360
Speaker 4: but after the internship and being exposed to corporate America,

73
00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,560
Speaker 4: I realized that I really did enjoy the teamwork aspect.

74
00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,560
Speaker 4: So the military became my first option. But I did

75
00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,920
Speaker 4: not intend on doing more than three or four years

76
00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,800
Speaker 4: in my commitment, and I was close to getting out.

77
00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,960
Speaker 4: I had hired a headhunter, I started looking at MBA programs,

78
00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,160
Speaker 4: and then a very good friend of mine had gone

79
00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,200
Speaker 4: into Special Forces and then connected me in and that's

80
00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,240
Speaker 4: how that whole thing started. And to be frank, you know,

81
00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,560
Speaker 4: I made that transition in twenty years of my life

82
00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,719
Speaker 4: kind of flew by, like I fell asleep and woke

83
00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:28,479
Speaker 4: up the next day.

84
00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:30,760
Speaker 2: It's almost like you maybe took just one step after

85
00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,000
Speaker 2: another and you were just in the situation and that's

86
00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:33,800
Speaker 2: just your life.

87
00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. And I would tell you global Guardian

88
00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,840
Speaker 4: in my corporate careers the same way, I didn't have

89
00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,200
Speaker 4: a master plan. This has been a sequential term of

90
00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,920
Speaker 4: events that kind of led to this, but I don't

91
00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,200
Speaker 4: regret a single day of my military time. It forced

92
00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:51,760
Speaker 4: me to think broadly. It forced me to live abroad

93
00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,840
Speaker 4: and understand culture and language, and it forced me to

94
00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,880
Speaker 4: kind of see the real world beyond just the American borders,

95
00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,280
Speaker 4: which has been wildly helpful both just in growing as

96
00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,840
Speaker 4: a person and more importantly it's helped me very very

97
00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,160
Speaker 4: much now in my corporate space.

98
00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,960
Speaker 2: For sure, with the team environment and just you probably

99
00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,360
Speaker 2: still use a whiteboard. I don't know if you use

100
00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:12,280
Speaker 2: a whiteboard or not.

101
00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,920
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, no, they're all over the place here in

102
00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,120
Speaker 4: the headquarters, we use that everything, right.

103
00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:17,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, right.

104
00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,680
Speaker 2: Growing up with my father being a Green Beret, I'd

105
00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,840
Speaker 2: always be in his armory's office and they had this

106
00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,000
Speaker 2: long white whiteboard and it was just constantly in use,

107
00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,120
Speaker 2: right and two years planning.

108
00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:29,200
Speaker 3: I was just a young kid.

109
00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,400
Speaker 2: But I meet a lot of SF guys and they

110
00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,119
Speaker 2: still have this whiteboard all over.

111
00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:34,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not the only.

112
00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,200
Speaker 4: No, I think everyone leaves the one really precious thing.

113
00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,000
Speaker 4: The military doesn't, and I would say the government in general,

114
00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,640
Speaker 4: whether that's Secret Service, FBI, CIA, whatever those you know,

115
00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,800
Speaker 4: whatever organization might be tied to I do. I can

116
00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,040
Speaker 4: tell you factually, now that I've been in corporate America

117
00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:55,040
Speaker 4: a decade, the one true attribute that we will always

118
00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,480
Speaker 4: should value about the government is the level of training

119
00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,760
Speaker 4: the government in vests in its people. It is night

120
00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,680
Speaker 4: and day better than anything I've seen in corporate America,

121
00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,920
Speaker 4: because corporations are based on profit and margin and focusing

122
00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,080
Speaker 4: on the bottom line, and they're just simply not going

123
00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,440
Speaker 4: to spend the money to train people the way the

124
00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:20,719
Speaker 4: government will. So all of those lessons learned about planning, communication, management, people,

125
00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,440
Speaker 4: and then operational excellence in the military or any government

126
00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,680
Speaker 4: agency for that matter, is something that I don't think

127
00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,560
Speaker 4: is replicable in corporate America because the spend is not there,

128
00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,880
Speaker 4: the time is not there, and you're not on this

129
00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,760
Speaker 4: professional development path that you do get in the military.

130
00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,120
Speaker 4: It's just really hard to replicate. So to their credit,

131
00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,359
Speaker 4: I owe the government. I owe the military for the

132
00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,680
Speaker 4: rest of my life for that training and that experience

133
00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:46,680
Speaker 4: and that exposure.

134
00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,760
Speaker 2: Well that's very nice to say, and I'm not, like,

135
00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,359
Speaker 2: you know, sponsored paid by any military branch to say recurrent.

136
00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,599
Speaker 2: But if somebody listening right now has the inclination to

137
00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,800
Speaker 2: think about joining up. The Guard is a great way

138
00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,400
Speaker 2: to go because a it's it's your backyard, you're gonna

139
00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,000
Speaker 2: know it, You're gonna come back to it when you

140
00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:07,880
Speaker 2: go to boot camp. A lot of people go to

141
00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:10,200
Speaker 2: basic and they get homestick very quickly because they're not

142
00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,080
Speaker 2: sure what the next step is. They're going to be

143
00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,360
Speaker 2: sent someplace. But the Guard kind of gives you that

144
00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,920
Speaker 2: structure like you're gonna come back to the Utah or

145
00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,360
Speaker 2: wherever you're located and work there and get those skills

146
00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,560
Speaker 2: in sets. So I'm just pointing in the direction of

147
00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,080
Speaker 2: your local Guard recruiter. If you're listening, you know that's it.

148
00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,680
Speaker 2: Just check them out, hit them up, tell them. Rad

149
00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,000
Speaker 2: and Dale say.

150
00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,880
Speaker 4: I couldn't agree more. And I do think as you

151
00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,400
Speaker 4: look at how the turmoil even domestically with the reserves

152
00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,360
Speaker 4: in the National Guard, whether it's flooding in California, fires

153
00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,600
Speaker 4: and help freezing Texas, hurricanes hitting the East Coast, all

154
00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,400
Speaker 4: of these things, let alone some civil unrest, I think

155
00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,880
Speaker 4: the frequency of those is ever increasing right here in

156
00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,160
Speaker 4: our backyard, if you stated, and I think the volatility

157
00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,680
Speaker 4: of those things is ever increasing. So I think the

158
00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,560
Speaker 4: now you of not only the personal experience that you

159
00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,640
Speaker 4: get in in the National Guard of the Reserves, but

160
00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,960
Speaker 4: then the fact that you really do have a real

161
00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:13,520
Speaker 4: mission and real purpose again is really valuable in someone

162
00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,880
Speaker 4: that's young and developing and trying to figure out what

163
00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:16,920
Speaker 4: they want to do with their life.

164
00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,120
Speaker 2: It's a great outlet, right and if they knew that

165
00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,040
Speaker 2: there was active duty within the Guard, it might just

166
00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:25,040
Speaker 2: open up their mind a little bit more, you know,

167
00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,000
Speaker 2: because green Berets they go to sleep on the clock.

168
00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:28,680
Speaker 3: Okay.

169
00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,480
Speaker 2: I remember my dad in the eighties and maybe early nineties,

170
00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:34,680
Speaker 2: him and my mom broke it down to like two

171
00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,560
Speaker 2: dollars and fourteen cents an hour, twenty four.

172
00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,240
Speaker 3: Hours a day.

173
00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,000
Speaker 2: And when you think about that versus all the training

174
00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,520
Speaker 2: you get out of it, right, I mean leadership programs

175
00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,720
Speaker 2: within the SF culture one thing getting the green beanie,

176
00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,800
Speaker 2: your green beret. The Special Forces have within that group.

177
00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,280
Speaker 2: There is a group above the group that have like

178
00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,720
Speaker 2: additional scuba sure you know, are you are a scuba

179
00:08:58,720 --> 00:08:59,480
Speaker 2: aren't you scuba?

180
00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:00,360
Speaker 3: I was.

181
00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,880
Speaker 4: I had a scuba team in third Battalion, seventh Special

182
00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,520
Speaker 4: Forces Group. It was a wonderful experience probably top two

183
00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,959
Speaker 4: experiences in my life being around people like that and

184
00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,120
Speaker 4: what we were exposed to in the ocean and lakes

185
00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,720
Speaker 4: and things like that. It was quite spectacular looking back

186
00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:17,400
Speaker 4: on my life.

187
00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,679
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, See, my dad always was chasing that. He's like,

188
00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,800
Speaker 2: you know, I still have a scuba. He just was like,

189
00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:23,880
Speaker 2: no scuba because he loved a scuba. He just never

190
00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,200
Speaker 2: put into a scuba programmers. So no, that's really cool.

191
00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,720
Speaker 3: I love that you've been all over the world.

192
00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,360
Speaker 2: With the teams, and I know you've done classified stuff

193
00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,040
Speaker 2: and I'm not asking you to say anything like that,

194
00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,440
Speaker 2: but do you have any any like what's going on

195
00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,120
Speaker 2: in your opinion with you know, Afghanistan. You had to

196
00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,439
Speaker 2: go in there and rescue you know, seven hundred folks

197
00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:44,839
Speaker 2: to get out.

198
00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:45,120
Speaker 4: You know.

199
00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,199
Speaker 2: I've talked to another friend of mine over in England.

200
00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,520
Speaker 2: He was a former SAS and captured. They never knew

201
00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,400
Speaker 2: he was SAS, but he had gotten a ton of

202
00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,920
Speaker 2: guys out as well. You know, right after the collapse,

203
00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,520
Speaker 2: everybody's wanting to blame political theater on the collapse. When

204
00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:58,959
Speaker 2: can I get your opinion on it?

205
00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,320
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think a couple of things. One I did

206
00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,680
Speaker 4: go to Afghanistan while I was in military, in the

207
00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,599
Speaker 4: military as a colonel, and then when after I retired,

208
00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,840
Speaker 4: we obviously we still are operating in Afghanistan. Global Guardian

209
00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,960
Speaker 4: as a corporate entity is still operating there, and I

210
00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,280
Speaker 4: like to tell our clients we were there before the war,

211
00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,880
Speaker 4: We're going to be there during the war after there

212
00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:24,360
Speaker 4: after the war. So specifically to the evacuation itself from

213
00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,480
Speaker 4: my corporate hat is yes, we we took corporate and

214
00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,400
Speaker 4: government contractors out of the country. We didn't do anything

215
00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,760
Speaker 4: by air and I know that most people are very myopic,

216
00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,439
Speaker 4: and it's in the news cycle right now and you're

217
00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,440
Speaker 4: seeing flashbacks of the airport. Our team leader on the

218
00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,800
Speaker 4: ground is South South African. He's still there. He basically

219
00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,520
Speaker 4: advised us in the first couple of days that hey,

220
00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,959
Speaker 4: let's avoid the airport. It's really messy, and he had

221
00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,160
Speaker 4: great foresight and we ended up taking everyone to Pakistan legally.

222
00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,520
Speaker 4: We were getting visas through the consulate, and of course

223
00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,360
Speaker 4: we had to go through the challenges of getting cross

224
00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:01,280
Speaker 4: board and everything else and the changes in policy, but

225
00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,360
Speaker 4: it was very successful. It was very smooth. We had

226
00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,079
Speaker 4: to go through a Taliban checkpoints. No one got searched,

227
00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,880
Speaker 4: nobody got touched. It was quite successful. And I would

228
00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:10,800
Speaker 4: tell you that's because of the team on the ground

229
00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,959
Speaker 4: and the relationships there. I think from a pure political standpoint,

230
00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,920
Speaker 4: there'll be lots of finger pointing at this point. That's

231
00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,240
Speaker 4: kind of waite noise to me. I think, obviously we

232
00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:25,040
Speaker 4: still there are lessons learned in all of these evacuations.

233
00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,240
Speaker 4: If you look at the evacuation of Iraq, it went

234
00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,120
Speaker 4: very smoothly, it was very orderly. It was frankly not

235
00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,240
Speaker 4: very much in the news, I think, And this is

236
00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,760
Speaker 4: why I don't judge. I don't know what the conversations

237
00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,720
Speaker 4: were with the previous administration. I certainly don't know, and

238
00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,280
Speaker 4: I wasn't in the room on the conversations about, you know,

239
00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,960
Speaker 4: shutting down all the way to just one airport. I

240
00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,840
Speaker 4: think if you were to look at this strategically, that's

241
00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,440
Speaker 4: probably if you're to point to one thing, was shutting

242
00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,320
Speaker 4: down all of the airfields down to just one was

243
00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,920
Speaker 4: probably the biggest air Now, without being in the room,

244
00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,880
Speaker 4: it's really hard for me to judge how those decisions

245
00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,120
Speaker 4: gets made. Who's the lead it was at State was

246
00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,040
Speaker 4: a DoD Who's in the room there's a whole series

247
00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,240
Speaker 4: of factors that unless you're there living it, it's very

248
00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,120
Speaker 4: easy to Monday morning quarterback, and for me, I just

249
00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,520
Speaker 4: I won't go there kind of politically, I think, honestly,

250
00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,120
Speaker 4: the biggest takeaway again is we've done this in our

251
00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,440
Speaker 4: history a few times now, at least in my lifetime,

252
00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:26,840
Speaker 4: and I think the key here is how do we

253
00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,600
Speaker 4: not replicate this? How do we not make this mistake?

254
00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:32,840
Speaker 4: Is the biggest lesson learned for me as an American

255
00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,160
Speaker 4: not in the military during that supporting it from the outside,

256
00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,040
Speaker 4: if you will, but from a policy standpoint and an

257
00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:42,080
Speaker 4: execution standpoint, the question is, how do we not do

258
00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,280
Speaker 4: this like we did in Vietnam? How do we not

259
00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,880
Speaker 4: have a collapse like this in Afghanistan in the next conflict,

260
00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:52,400
Speaker 4: Because it's one hundred percent guaranteed there will be another conflict,

261
00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,040
Speaker 4: there will be another shutdown or evacuation out of a

262
00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,120
Speaker 4: war zone. So I think that's the trick to all

263
00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:00,319
Speaker 4: of this, frankly.

264
00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,480
Speaker 2: How to do it almost politely, Because you're right when

265
00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,400
Speaker 2: you did see the rollout in two thousand and nine,

266
00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:11,080
Speaker 2: I want to say, under the Obama administration of ten yeah, yeah, yeah,

267
00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:12,760
Speaker 2: you know, I remember I was late at night as

268
00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,720
Speaker 2: watching like one of the pundits on and it was like,

269
00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,120
Speaker 2: this is the last m rap coming across the border.

270
00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,400
Speaker 4: I watched the same clip, literally watched the same m

271
00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,559
Speaker 4: rap come across.

272
00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,160
Speaker 2: The same at probably the same time it was live.

273
00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:25,760
Speaker 2: It was just what's going on? As in my twenties,

274
00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,720
Speaker 2: So this, yeah, this was just kind of like also spun.

275
00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,400
Speaker 2: There was a lot of media you know that just

276
00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,440
Speaker 2: threw whatever goo at it to make it sound good

277
00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,880
Speaker 2: for I guess whatever advertisers want to buy that bucket.

278
00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:42,920
Speaker 2: But that's just me saying that in my opinion, now,

279
00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,600
Speaker 2: when you're going into places like Afghanistan after there's been

280
00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,960
Speaker 2: you know, so much turmoil and so much war, and

281
00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,079
Speaker 2: you're going into places like Syria where you know Syria, yes,

282
00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,840
Speaker 2: same kind of thing, but you know, I feel that

283
00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,400
Speaker 2: Syria was a very It didn't need to happen the

284
00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,920
Speaker 2: way it went down either. You know, you were rescuing

285
00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,480
Speaker 2: viewing people. Was that in like the twenty twelves or

286
00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,480
Speaker 2: thirteen's when were you going in to Syria for that?

287
00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,600
Speaker 4: Yeah? So Syria has been ongoing. So Syria there hasn't

288
00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,600
Speaker 4: been a start and an endpoint, it's still ongoing. Yeah,

289
00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,480
Speaker 4: from a corporate perspectivelyve or not. Just three four years ago,

290
00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,040
Speaker 4: we had corporate interest in trying to figure out, how

291
00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:21,680
Speaker 4: are we going to invest in Syria? How do we

292
00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,960
Speaker 4: get into the oil patch? Is this going to be

293
00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,880
Speaker 4: Western friendly? Are we going to rebuild Syria? Our construction

294
00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,480
Speaker 4: firm is going to go in. Our insurance insurance firms

295
00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,480
Speaker 4: that we have that are our clients and partners from

296
00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,000
Speaker 4: a peer insurance standpoint, and the corporate side of this

297
00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:40,040
Speaker 4: are looking in and evaluating how much risk are we

298
00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,720
Speaker 4: willing to take to ensure the rebuild of Syria. These

299
00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,280
Speaker 4: are all on the corporate side, of course, but then

300
00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,800
Speaker 4: we end up supporting our clients in a very militaristic

301
00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,200
Speaker 4: way and that kind of environment. So Syria is still ongoing.

302
00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:53,680
Speaker 4: It's not a closed chapter for us.

303
00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:54,480
Speaker 3: No, No, it's not.

304
00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,240
Speaker 2: It's been a very it's it's kind of like just

305
00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,600
Speaker 2: almost becoming a norm there, and we don't want it

306
00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,920
Speaker 2: to become a norm and needs to be not the norm.

307
00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,640
Speaker 2: That is what they've done and what they're continuing to do.

308
00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:05,360
Speaker 2: And so I wanted to bring that up on this

309
00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:07,320
Speaker 2: because we'll note all this in our show and in

310
00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,560
Speaker 2: the little you know, breakdown of the dialogue so that

311
00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,800
Speaker 2: folks reading it, you know, can get a gist of

312
00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,360
Speaker 2: what I'm bringing up here with you. And I'd also

313
00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,640
Speaker 2: like to talk about in the teams, you're the alpha

314
00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,720
Speaker 2: of the eighteen alpha, right, what's the eighteen alpha? Eighteen alpha? Okay,

315
00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,720
Speaker 2: so that's the alpha. And then were you cross trained

316
00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,800
Speaker 2: in any other thing other than like like like communications

317
00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:29,240
Speaker 2: or weapons Bravo?

318
00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:34,360
Speaker 4: No, so I was not most eighteen alphas. You know,

319
00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,360
Speaker 4: you're going to get a broad spectrum and overview of

320
00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:39,960
Speaker 4: all that when you go through the cute the qualification course,

321
00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,640
Speaker 4: but as the commander of the team, you won't necessarily

322
00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:47,120
Speaker 4: get cross trained to the level of an eighteen Bravo

323
00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,440
Speaker 4: or an eighteen Charlie or eighteen Delta. In eighteen EPO,

324
00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,000
Speaker 4: I heard this analogy. This was years after I had

325
00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,800
Speaker 4: left the military. Someone said, by definition of special forces,

326
00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,800
Speaker 4: a team is the most dysfunctional organization you can conceive,

327
00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,360
Speaker 4: but yet it's high highly effective. Right And now that

328
00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,400
Speaker 4: I'm older and I've been out of it for a

329
00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,440
Speaker 4: decade plus, as I look back on that time, I

330
00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,960
Speaker 4: think what makes those teams so interesting is yes, you've

331
00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,880
Speaker 4: got this very small group of very unique people. They

332
00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,040
Speaker 4: are you know, as you hear a lot of people

333
00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,560
Speaker 4: say they're average citizens that get to do extraordinary things.

334
00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,560
Speaker 4: I think that applies, and I think the way it's organized,

335
00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,120
Speaker 4: you can poke holes in it in a lot of

336
00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,720
Speaker 4: different ways, but at the end of the day, a

337
00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,280
Speaker 4: special Forces a team, in my opinion, looking back in

338
00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:35,760
Speaker 4: my time, is one of these organizations that is multi purpose,

339
00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,440
Speaker 4: cross trained, and ultimately it's a one button solution for

340
00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,680
Speaker 4: a lot of different things. You can turn that that

341
00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,600
Speaker 4: organization and pointed in the direction of a lot of

342
00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:50,880
Speaker 4: different mission sets in almost with almost one hundred percent

343
00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,440
Speaker 4: certainty it's going to succeed at a very high level.

344
00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,760
Speaker 4: And I think just that ability to pivot and be

345
00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,760
Speaker 4: flexible looking back is the genius of it. So as

346
00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,800
Speaker 4: you look at the organizational kind of structure and you

347
00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,040
Speaker 4: can point to this almost guaranteed dysfunction, at the same

348
00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,439
Speaker 4: time the beauty of it, this dysfunction actually leads to

349
00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,119
Speaker 4: why it's so successful. So it is really unique, and

350
00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,960
Speaker 4: there's not a lot of organizations in the military structured

351
00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:20,080
Speaker 4: that way, and I think that's what makes you know,

352
00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,720
Speaker 4: the whole green Bereay community very interesting and very successful

353
00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:25,359
Speaker 4: and no matter what the environment is.

354
00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,399
Speaker 2: Right, it's almost you know, you guys are built and

355
00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,840
Speaker 2: taught in a way to be you know, universal diplomats. Yea,

356
00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,560
Speaker 2: at interim almost, I don't want to say government, but

357
00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,119
Speaker 2: an interim you know, mayor and like, hey, what's up.

358
00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,360
Speaker 2: I got a sat phone, satellite phone. I can reach

359
00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,800
Speaker 2: some people that could fix your roads. You know, it's

360
00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,679
Speaker 2: like my medicas, some niquil to keep your baby sleeping

361
00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:46,879
Speaker 2: through the night while it's crying.

362
00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:47,960
Speaker 3: Simple things.

363
00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,360
Speaker 4: It's really interesting how you could go from that very

364
00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:55,040
Speaker 4: light human touch at the very bottom of the spectrum,

365
00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,040
Speaker 4: if you will, where it's incredibly important to that individual,

366
00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,200
Speaker 4: but it's not clearly on a strategic level making impact.

367
00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,880
Speaker 4: But yet you could have that same small organization literally

368
00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:07,879
Speaker 4: have strategic impact instantly.

369
00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:08,760
Speaker 3: And that's instantly.

370
00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,120
Speaker 4: It's just so interesting, and again it's it's so hard

371
00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,040
Speaker 4: to explain that to someone who's never seen it, touched it.

372
00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,600
Speaker 4: Of what they say when they ask, well, how's it,

373
00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,119
Speaker 4: how's it organized? Just like you did rad and I

374
00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,080
Speaker 4: explained it and they kind of go, I don't get it.

375
00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,960
Speaker 4: How does that work? And then there it's just very nuanced,

376
00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,200
Speaker 4: and I think that's why it's so special.

377
00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:29,800
Speaker 3: Very adaptable, you know.

378
00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,600
Speaker 2: I think an SF guy or gal, let's just be clear,

379
00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:38,040
Speaker 2: is just a Swiss Army knife of just ideas and

380
00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,720
Speaker 2: completion of the mission, right, just.

381
00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:42,640
Speaker 3: Like never give up.

382
00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,720
Speaker 2: You've heard the the Ranger rowing down the river and

383
00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:53,960
Speaker 2: God is watching him, right, Yeah, yeah, right, that so,

384
00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,680
Speaker 2: And I'm very biased, right growing up in the culture

385
00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,600
Speaker 2: and having Thailand jump wings on my dad shelf from

386
00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,800
Speaker 2: jumping out of hot air balloons, did you ever have

387
00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:04,600
Speaker 2: anything like that where you got to jump out of

388
00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:05,920
Speaker 2: a foreign Yeah.

389
00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,160
Speaker 4: I did jump out of foreign aircraft in Columbia, which

390
00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,000
Speaker 4: was a lot of fun. The most interesting jump I

391
00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,560
Speaker 4: ever have, believe it or not, was in the Pennsylvania

392
00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,880
Speaker 4: National Guard. So I was in and I don't even

393
00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,560
Speaker 4: know if it exists to this day. It was in Chambersburg, Pennsylvania.

394
00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,399
Speaker 4: It was technically an airborne unit, so every month we

395
00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,879
Speaker 4: did drill. On our weekend we would jump. That was

396
00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:27,879
Speaker 4: scheduled unless it was a weather event. So we were

397
00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,040
Speaker 4: based out of Fort Indiantown Gap, which I do know

398
00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:34,040
Speaker 4: is still there. And it's this incredible asset that the

399
00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,520
Speaker 4: National Guard has and that it has an enormous amount

400
00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,280
Speaker 4: of aviation assets, and believe it or not, we our

401
00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:45,240
Speaker 4: primary jump platform back in the nineties was the chinooks

402
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,840
Speaker 4: and the sky cranes from Vietnam. If you've ever seen

403
00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,560
Speaker 4: a skycrane, they bolt a connex to the bottom of

404
00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,639
Speaker 4: the sky crane and then they rigged it so that

405
00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,320
Speaker 4: you could do static ramp blasts out of the back.

406
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,560
Speaker 4: And it was the most unique thing I had ever

407
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,679
Speaker 4: done as far as an airborne operation. You know, obviously

408
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,760
Speaker 4: it wasn't a C one forty one or C seventeen

409
00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,400
Speaker 4: or C thirty and right helicopter. Well, it is a helicop,

410
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,680
Speaker 4: but a unique helicopter that has probably been phased out

411
00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,840
Speaker 4: of the inventory except for maybe the National Guard.

412
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,240
Speaker 2: It was really cool, So it's probably the helicopter that

413
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:20,399
Speaker 2: would be used if it's still available to lift stuff.

414
00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 4: Like an active lift capability. I mean they were they

415
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,480
Speaker 4: could move a tank with that thing, right.

416
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,040
Speaker 3: So they'd hook at connext to the bottom of it.

417
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,280
Speaker 3: You guys would be inside of it.

418
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, the static.

419
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:31,960
Speaker 3: Hookup right, just like if you're in the back of

420
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:33,200
Speaker 3: a C one thirty.

421
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,520
Speaker 4: Or Yeah, jumping out the back of a exactly exactly

422
00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,000
Speaker 4: was a ramplant. And then to add to it, the

423
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,200
Speaker 4: other unique part of that was we jumped into three

424
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 4: Mile Island. Believe it or not. I don't even know

425
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 4: how they got approl for this, but we jumped into

426
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 4: three Mile Island on a night jump in the winter.

427
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,959
Speaker 4: So it's just this. You come out and the moon's

428
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,239
Speaker 4: bouncing off the snow and you're out of a you know,

429
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 4: a skyhook and you look down you see the Nukira plant.

430
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 4: Just kinds of things that you couldn't make up if

431
00:20:59,080 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 4: you wanted to.

432
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,919
Speaker 2: No, it's it's the live action video game that we

433
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 2: all sit there and play where we jump out with

434
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 2: a rocket launcher, eject from an F fifteen, shoot the

435
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 2: aircraft and then land back in it.

436
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:16,719
Speaker 3: And fly it away. Yeah. It's like so with your

437
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 3: corporate life and you're moving right along now.

438
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 2: You know, you've gone through your SFS and you've gone

439
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,440
Speaker 2: through you know, being a colonel, and you're like, were

440
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,880
Speaker 2: you in the Guard when you created your company or

441
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 2: was this something you met you?

442
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 4: Yeah? So I retire retired from active duty officially in

443
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,879
Speaker 4: twenty twelve. You know I say that. I said this

444
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,040
Speaker 4: yesterday to executives from the NFL, if you're coming out

445
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 4: of the government, whatever platform that might be. You really

446
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 4: have three or four primary kind of standard pass. Number

447
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 4: One you can go right back and be a contractor

448
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 4: for that A and C. That's very opy. Two you

449
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 4: can go work in corporate America, typically as a chief

450
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,119
Speaker 4: security officer of salesman, project manager. They'll take you, and

451
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 4: you know it can be quite secure and quite predictable.

452
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 4: Three you can go back to school. I started a PhD.

453
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 4: And I wanted to finish it. That that was what

454
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 4: I thought I was going to do. Or four you

455
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 4: can start something and I did not plan on being

456
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 4: in business in this capacity. I was going to go

457
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 4: finish my schooling and education. And then I bumped into

458
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,680
Speaker 4: a series of businessmen that introduced me to kind of

459
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 4: this world. And then ultimately I was given, you know,

460
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 4: the following opportunity. They just said, look, there is insurance,

461
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 4: there are providers in the intel space, the medical space,

462
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 4: the cyberspace. Do you think you could build an interesting

463
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 4: model to compete with the existing firms that are in

464
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 4: these different spaces. And that was kind of the problem statement.

465
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 4: And then it we built the model and it just

466
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 4: kind of took off from there.

467
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, they usually say, you know, the definition of an

468
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 2: entrepreneur is out of a job. It's like out of

469
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 2: like you know, you're like, do I go back to school?

470
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 3: Right? And here you are, if you will.

471
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,120
Speaker 2: My analogy of being cocooned and turning into a butterfly

472
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 2: and the cocooning again and then coming back out. So

473
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 2: you've lived multiple lives now up until twenty twelve, and

474
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 2: now you're starting a new life relying on your past,

475
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 2: you know, experiences. But today you're Dale Buckner, the CEO,

476
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 2: you know, CEO, the main guy, right, SF is on

477
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 2: the resume, sure, right, And a lot of folks forget

478
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 2: that part that. You know, a lot of folks get

479
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 2: looked at today as if they're still just you know,

480
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 2: the Navy seal sniper the guy, and they're like, hey,

481
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 2: you know, I have a pH d in you know,

482
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 2: quantum physics, and I'd really like to apply it somehow,

483
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 2: you know. But like the stories are always like, tell

484
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 2: me about your static line, Joney, Now, how do you

485
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 2: transition that?

486
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 3: Yeah? How do you work with your civilian counterparts?

487
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a super important point. So anyone that's in

488
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 4: the government now and leaving soon or contemplating a lot.

489
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 4: I was given really really interesting advice. This happened in Austin, Texas,

490
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 4: at a conference where we did a vision level after

491
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 4: actioning view after too in Iraq. And this was a

492
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 4: former one star Navy admiral. He was now a senior

493
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 4: vice president at Dell, the computer company in Texas. He

494
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 4: came in and gave a speech and he said, everyone

495
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 4: in this room is within three to five years of

496
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 4: leaving the military. And you had two star generals, you

497
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 4: had colonels, you had majors. But he said, majority of

498
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:24,959
Speaker 4: this room, you're all going to leave the next call

499
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 4: it three to five years. And he was right, and

500
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 4: he said, very directly, you're all going to have to

501
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 4: make a decision. The military and the government experience is

502
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 4: he going to be part of your future and you're

503
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,239
Speaker 4: going to go to reunions and stay in contact and

504
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 4: work within that world, or you're going to completely reinvent yourself.

505
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 4: And that's just going to be, to your point, rad

506
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 4: part of your experience, part of what developed you over time,

507
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 4: and you want to take the best of those things.

508
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 4: But then you want to really reinvent yourself. And I

509
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 4: think for me, personally, I went on the latter route,

510
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 4: and the military for me is something else on my resume.

511
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 4: I try and take the best of the attributes and

512
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 4: the things I learned with me. But I reinvented myself

513
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 4: and the way I think, the way I view the

514
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 4: world and what is the opportunity in business as an entrepreneur,

515
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 4: And now that I'm kind of in a formalized, industrialized

516
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 4: company that it's changing again, and I'm constantly i'd say

517
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 4: every eighteen to twenty four months, as this has grown

518
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 4: and grown and grown, I have to pivot and I

519
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 4: have to reinvent how I view the opportunity constantly. It

520
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 4: never stops. And I think that the attribution of being

521
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 4: kind of a lifetime, lifetime learner and never getting stagnant

522
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 4: on one thing matters. So you're right, people do want

523
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 4: to talk about this jump or that operation and so

524
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,479
Speaker 4: on and so forth, and in some cases I might

525
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 4: want to kind of pigeonhole you into you were the CEO,

526
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 4: you were the Green Beret. I think those statements are correct. Personally,

527
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 4: what I've always tried to craft the you know, when

528
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 4: I meet people, is that I simply say I was

529
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 4: in the government for a long time. It was wonderful.

530
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 4: I learned a lot. But now I'm a serial entrepreneur

531
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 4: and I'm a businessman and that's my future. And my

532
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 4: base was everything I learned in those first twenty four

533
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 4: years of my adult life, and the government that is

534
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 4: my base. It's not my identity, it's part of my identity.

535
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:20,959
Speaker 4: I'm much more focused on tomorrow reinventing that identity of

536
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 4: being a better businessman, a better corporate leader, a better

537
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 4: survey into the community than I am looking back in

538
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 4: my history of what I used to do or what

539
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 4: I used to be. I don't tie my identity to it.

540
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 4: It's part of me, it's an important part.

541
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 2: But it's not my future, right And I'm glad you

542
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 2: got to say that, And I wanted to just bring

543
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: that out there because I hear that as well.

544
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 3: That's just a kind of a running mantra of the

545
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 3: same thing.

546
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 2: It's like, hey, myself, entrepreneur, serial entrepreneurs, you put it.

547
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,239
Speaker 2: I've had my experience in the military, and people have

548
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: asked me, what did you do?

549
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 3: And I said enough.

550
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: To know that I like the good and then I

551
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 2: got the bad, and I saw both sides, and so

552
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 2: you know, but serial entrepreneur. It's taught me to take

553
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,719
Speaker 2: care of myself. It's taught me to take care of

554
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 2: my family and those around me and as a team.

555
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: You know, I couldn't disagree with that mantra even that

556
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 2: you say it probably just comes from my also upbringing

557
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 2: of that same you know, my dad inspired me at

558
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: thirteen to have a skateboard shop.

559
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 4: Sure, sure, you know.

560
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 2: And he had a master's in business management and human resources,

561
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: was working on his PhD before he passed away. And

562
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 2: so you know, I noticed in some of your credits

563
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: that you have like a Bachelor of Science and you

564
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 2: have from like Pennsylvania. Okay, let's think I'm just going

565
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,959
Speaker 2: off my brain what I read. But you have an

566
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 2: MPa and I know what an MBA is. But what's

567
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 2: an MPa, Mama, Papa Alpha.

568
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 4: Yeah. Masters of Public Administration. Yeah, so very focused on

569
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 4: government decision making, on infrastructure, communications, transportation systems, all the

570
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 4: way down to what kind of organizations do you need

571
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 4: to support your community and be effective at it. It's

572
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 4: really mix of government, a little bit of relations, a

573
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 4: little bit of engineering. It was an interesting course, so

574
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 4: again good good looking back on the kind of the

575
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 4: takeaways from that experience.

576
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: Right, and there goes that political you know, I'm going

577
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 2: to bring back the sf of you know, that mindset,

578
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 2: you have understanding of that structure.

579
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, it always comes back to the structure, doesn't it?

580
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 3: It does? It? Does? It does?

581
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 4: No?

582
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 2: I love it, even though it may seem kind of

583
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: like you know, you guys got two guys on every

584
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 2: team that take one guy's role if another one can't, right,

585
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 2: you know, maintain it because the structure has to maintain itself, right,

586
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 2: even if people don't understand why you guys walk around

587
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 2: with your hands in your pockets, no salute zones and.

588
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 3: You know calling me Aaron and you Dale.

589
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,959
Speaker 2: You know, that's the life that I learned young at

590
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 2: the nineteenth where my dad was stationed. Yep, right, salute

591
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: free and so and so what was your unit?

592
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 4: I started in the twenty fifth Infantry as an industry officer.

593
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 4: I was in the hundred and first Airborne as an

594
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 4: intelligence officer. I spent all of my time in Special

595
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 4: Forces in seven Special Forces Group seventh in Fort Bragg

596
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 4: and Puerto Rico and Panama. And then I finished in

597
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 4: the fourth Infantry Division as a Special Troops commander. And

598
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 4: then ultimately I went to Afghanistan as a chief of

599
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 4: staff as part of NATO training Mission Afghanistan, and then

600
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 4: I removed. Yeah, so I was all over the map

601
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 4: red I did not have a typical pattern or path.

602
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 4: I bounced from one branch to another. I saw all

603
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 4: aspects of the military, from light infantry, airborne, to special

604
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 4: forces to conventional I saw all of it. And again,

605
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 4: I think most people, when you're young, especially as an officer,

606
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 4: you kind of get taught that there's a certain path

607
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 4: to success here. And for me, you know, I got

608
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 4: bored quickly, and I wanted to explore it and I

609
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 4: wanted to see and I did bounce around and have

610
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 4: a very non tradition career looking back, that actually has

611
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 4: helped me materially here in the corporate space.

612
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 3: I can imagine.

613
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: Was that a guy named Joe Serna. I think it's

614
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: seventh group that you were working with at all. Does

615
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: that name ring a bell took a bregade to the stomach?

616
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 4: I don't remember Joe Cerna. It doesn't ring.

617
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: About stopped him anyway, I'm gonna shout him Out'm pretty

618
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: sure he's so. Yeah, but I know it's a huge.

619
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: It's not just like six guys.

620
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 4: Plus, I'm a generation out right. Whoever I knew, you know,

621
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 4: being out twelve years, I've lost you know, I'm just

622
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 4: not relevant. My whole cohort is now in their fifties.

623
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 4: And at that point, unless you are, you know that

624
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 4: the two guys and you talk about shout outs. Yeah,

625
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 4: served with a gentleman named Josh Rudd, who I believe

626
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 4: is either a two star maybe even a three star

627
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 4: now I think he's in Hawaii, is the chief of

628
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 4: staff of pay Coom. And the current use of Soak

629
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 4: commander is not a guy named Jonathan Braga, who I

630
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 4: served with twice. There he I believes the three star

631
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 4: and the two of them, this is what I would

632
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 4: say about both of them that as you look at

633
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 4: the cohort of people I was with, those two were

634
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 4: my peers. I would tell you that the system worked.

635
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 4: They were smarter, they were faster, they were better, and

636
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 4: they understood the playing field of understanding of being a diplomatic,

637
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 4: politician and a soldier like any no one else in

638
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 4: my cohort. And it proved to me looking back that

639
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 4: both of them, who I know incredibly well, it proves

640
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 4: to me that the system did pick the right leader

641
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 4: to become a two star and a three star general.

642
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 4: I think, you know, Josh Rudd will be a three star,

643
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 4: four star Jonathan Braga. If he's not a four star,

644
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 4: something's gone wildly wrong because he's They're both incredibly smart,

645
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 4: they're both completely dedicated, and they are the guys that

646
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 4: were operators on the ground all the way to now

647
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 4: becoming gos. And that's what you want in a g O.

648
00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 4: You want a warrior scholar slash diplomat slash slash policy tian.

649
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 4: And I think when I look at my cohort, those

650
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 4: guys checked all the boxes where I was very myopic

651
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 4: on the you know, being a soldier and wanting to

652
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 4: be a warrior, and many of my peers were you

653
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 4: need that too. But I would tell you those two specifically,

654
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 4: and I know they're on active duty and I know

655
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 4: this community knows who they are. I would tell you again,

656
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 4: the system worked because they were the best and brace

657
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 4: they were the best two officers that I serve with,

658
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 4: because they did all of it and they were good

659
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 4: at everything. And I think that was really good validation

660
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 4: looking back, you know, it really does. I'm super happy

661
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 4: to see it, and I know that the military and

662
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 4: the whole soft community is in wonderful hands when you

663
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 4: have those kinds of guys make it and they don't

664
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 4: get bogged down in the politics, if you will.

665
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: Right, you've actually, like you know, talked with them and

666
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: you know them, and you're seeing where they've gone, and

667
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: that's where you probably expect them to get there and

668
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: take care of the mission that they're in charge of

669
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: with passion, right and care.

670
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 3: I mean, they want to be there, right, That's who

671
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 3: we want there is.

672
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And I don't want to sound crass here.

673
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 3: No, I don't want to sound emotional, no, no, no.

674
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 4: Politics. Politics are part of every organization. When you're young,

675
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 4: you don't really understand that, but I would. And I'm

676
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 4: sure they inevitably just by their position, they face political

677
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 4: decisions for sure. But I'm telling you to see those

678
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 4: two people make it and know that they're not politicians.

679
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 4: At their heart, they're warriors first and foremost, and then

680
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 4: they morphed to the environment to get things done. It's

681
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 4: really heartening because, you know, without being disparaging, I've seen

682
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 4: several officers that weren't warriors. They were almost pure politicians,

683
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 4: and they made all decisions based on political calculus. And

684
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 4: obviously the higher rank you go, politics matters, no question, right,

685
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 4: But to know that at the heart of these individuals

686
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 4: they are personable and they are real and they take

687
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 4: care of people, and that's their core as being warriors

688
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 4: first and not politicians first. That's the ideal model of

689
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 4: what you want for your general officers, in my opinion,

690
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 4: and both of those guys are that they're warriors first

691
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 4: and then everything else. And that again, to see them

692
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 4: promoted to those levels in my cohort is just really

693
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 4: really heartening. No one deserves it more than those two.

694
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 3: You know.

695
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 2: That's sentiments that another three star I had on a

696
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 2: few weeks back, said the same exact thing, Douglas Loot.

697
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: He said to me, he said, you know, when I

698
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 2: transitioned from one chain of command with Bush to Obama,

699
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: he had no politics involved. Rad there's only one political

700
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: appointee in our group, he said, because at the end

701
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: of the day, it all says US Army, US Marines,

702
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: US Coast Guard has that US in front of it,

703
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 2: which allows I'm just going to guess these guys to

704
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 2: keep their sanity as well, because you.

705
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah, I don't envy the position. The

706
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 4: world's in a tough spot. Everything's been politicized, everything's extrememism.

707
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 4: They're in really tough position. These are hard jobs now.

708
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 4: I think being a leader in anything is hard. Then

709
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 4: when you layer in the hyper hyper polarization and tribalism,

710
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 4: you add that to the mix. I can only imagine

711
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 4: what their day to day life is. I mean, I

712
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 4: don't envy that stress from the perspective of when I

713
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 4: was growing up thirty years ago in the military. You know,

714
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 4: not to say it was better, It was just we

715
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 4: didn't have some of those factors, you think. It just

716
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 4: makes it more complex. The calculus is more complex on

717
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 4: making the right decision because you just simply have more

718
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 4: factors to consider. So I think their job is probably

719
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 4: much much harder than it was twenty thirty, forty years

720
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 4: ago for their peer group at that level.

721
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 2: You remember mister Rogers neighborhood, sure of course, you remember

722
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 2: what he did to Congress to change their mind on

723
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: the moment of a vote. He went and sat before

724
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: them and said, I'm mister Rogers.

725
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know they all did. They all looked

726
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 3: at each other and said it's mister Rogers. Yeah, how

727
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 3: can they cancel PBS?

728
00:35:58,880 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 4: Right right?

729
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 3: Yeah? Today?

730
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: Could mister Rogers go in there and say, I'm mister Rogers.

731
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, clearly we're in a different spot for sure, rad

732
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 4: We just are so. And the issue as a leader

733
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 4: is you might not like it, It might make you frustrated, right.

734
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 4: The issue is, and I face this in the corporate space.

735
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 4: There are parts of what's going on in the corporate

736
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 4: space I might not personally agree with, but it doesn't

737
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 4: dismiss the fact that as a leader, whether you're in

738
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 4: government or in the corporate space, that's the playing field.

739
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 4: So you have to account for it and you have

740
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 4: to find a solution within that playing field. And that's

741
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 4: really that just comes down to adaptability and making good

742
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 4: decisions based on facts not emotion, and making good decisions

743
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 4: on understanding the environment at a global scale. What's happening?

744
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 3: I agreed.

745
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,399
Speaker 2: With you running your organization. Where do you guys see

746
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 2: yourself tomorrow? You know you do have plans. I'm sure

747
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 2: you got two to five years planned on that whiteboard.

748
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: There's a lot going on.

749
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 3: And let's talk. You know, what do you see with

750
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 3: Ukraine right now?

751
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 4: You know, so Red without being my opic on one thing,

752
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 4: I would tell you that we do. We are on

753
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 4: the whiteboard. Literally. Yeah. Our five to ten year outlook

754
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 4: is this Global Guardian. If you go to our website,

755
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 4: we are still very US centric. Me my client base

756
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 4: is primarily the four to one thousand and families and

757
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 4: some government contracts. That being said, we have operations in

758
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 4: one hundred and thirty four countries. That's a fact. We

759
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 4: operate on average in fifty three countries a month. That

760
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 4: being said, I don't have a large cohort of European,

761
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 4: Asian or Middle Eastern clients, and that's there is an

762
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 4: ocean of opportunity. So we've been at this for a

763
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 4: little over a decade. We've built a highly profitable, fast

764
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 4: growing business. As we look at this, and not to

765
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 4: sound crass, but I need Europeans selling into the European market.

766
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 4: I need Asian leaders selling into the Asian market. So

767
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 4: we Global Guardian as a corporate entity. We are going

768
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 4: to expand our offices in Germany, France, London, in Europe.

769
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 4: We're either going to expand in Japan, South Korea or

770
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 4: primarily Singapore. We're going to stand up a large space

771
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 4: office there, both operationally and as a beachhead into sales

772
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 4: into the Asian market, and then I think we will

773
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 4: probably go into Dubai and operate a relatively large sales

774
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 4: operation out of Dubai to cover the Middle East, Central

775
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 4: South America. We can cover here from the Americas. In sequence,

776
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 4: we're going to expand in Europe. First three years from now,

777
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 4: we're going to open up in Asia, and five years

778
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 4: from now we'll open up in the UAE. And I

779
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 4: think that's kind of the near term for us. We're

780
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 4: in one hundred and thirty four countries. We go where

781
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 4: the West goes. We're following the money, if you.

782
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 3: Will rat sure, of course, because that's yeah.

783
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 4: I don't know that we'll go beyond one hundred and

784
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 4: forty countries. As you stated, we started an eight. To

785
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 4: get from eight to one hundred and thirty four took

786
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 4: us a decade. I don't know that we'll go much

787
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 4: past one forty because we're really covering that footprint of

788
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 4: where does the West travel, where's the investment dollars? So

789
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 4: I think that's, you know, at a macro what we're doing,

790
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 4: and I think we will continue to build out services

791
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 4: I think we might do one to two more acquisitions.

792
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 4: We might acquire more camera surveillance firms. We might acquire

793
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 4: another air ambulance firm, and or we might look into

794
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 4: acquiring a firm very much like us in Europe as

795
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 4: a beach out.

796
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: As I described so as a client to someone that

797
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 2: would be listening to this, you know, and they're like, oh, okay,

798
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: you guys are talking about ransoms and terrorist attacks. So

799
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: like what would be the nine to one one call

800
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 2: to get you on the phone to say, hey, I

801
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 2: need your services.

802
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this happens weekly. I don't mean to sound flipping.

803
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 4: We just had. We had just in the last ninety

804
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 4: six hours, we've done two metavacs, one in India, one

805
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 4: out of dom rep The twenty three year old and

806
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 4: Dominican Republic was on a four wheeler without a helmet,

807
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 4: crashes and has real brain trauma. We have to fly

808
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 4: in a former military doctor to get to a very

809
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 4: remote clinic. They drain his skull and we get him

810
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 4: on an aircraft, fly him into Miami and put him

811
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 4: in the best trauma hospital in Miami. At the same time,

812
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 4: we're doing a medical levac from a car wreck in

813
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 4: India back to Europe. Within twenty four hours of that

814
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 4: last medical levac, we get a call. We have a

815
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 4: Japanese client literally on the top of Mount Fuji stranded.

816
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 4: We have to go up into Mount Fuji. He's got

817
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 4: enough power and food for another twenty four hours and

818
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 4: get him off the mountain, and we do. And then

819
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 4: that's kind of the extreme stuff in addition to war

820
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 4: zones and natural disasters everything else. And then as you're

821
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 4: a if you're a corporate or you're a family, and

822
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 4: you know that you've got exposure, meaning you have people

823
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 4: out and about, whether it's domestically or abroad, and you

824
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 4: simply want that response for us, that Global nine one

825
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 4: pint one. Whether you get kidnapped, whether someone gets hacked,

826
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 4: someone gets stranded, someone gets sick or injured, you want

827
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 4: to know who you're going to call. So the beauty

828
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 4: of the model at Global Guardian is we take all

829
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 4: the calculus out. You don't have to think you have

830
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 4: one email, one phone number, no matter what situation you

831
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 4: might face as a corporation or as a family. We're

832
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 4: now going to solve that problem for you. And this

833
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 4: is truly global. I'm not flying in x Special Forces,

834
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 4: six guys after the fact, I basically have a standing

835
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 4: army around the world that can move in minutes. Now

836
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 4: it's the tagline we use. So this is kind of

837
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 4: the model, and a lot of those tendencies you can

838
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 4: imagine come from my experience in the military.

839
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 3: I love it.

840
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a very good how you broke it down

841
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,240
Speaker 2: and you're handling lots of different events at the same time.

842
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, definite whiteboard.

843
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 4: Interesting here, we had an individual arrested in India yesterday

844
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 4: because their passport expired, and luckily they only detained him

845
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 4: at the airport. They put him in this like little

846
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 4: prison cell at the airport. We did get him out

847
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 4: in two hours and now he's stuck in a hotel

848
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 4: until we get to the consulate to get him out

849
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 4: on Monday. But it's just that kind of reaction. If

850
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 4: you're a corporation, if you don't have infrastructure on the

851
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 4: ground in Mumbai, what do you do when you have us?

852
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 4: You simply make that call and then we can we

853
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 4: can take care of that issue. And I think that's

854
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 4: the scalability of the platform. It just shows how efficient

855
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 4: is in response.

856
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: If you will, what an appropriate name Global Guardian. You

857
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: know Global Guardian.

858
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 3: Is that dot com dot org? How does someone find that?

859
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, Global Guardian, dot com, you know dot p Yeah, I.

860
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 2: Just want to make sure that that's put out there. Yeah,

861
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: we'll put that in our brief at the bottom of

862
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: the of the post and everything.

863
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 3: We put that on software dot com.

864
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 2: You know, I know you have a lot going on,

865
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 2: and I've had you for forty five minutes of solid conversation,

866
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 2: and I would love to have you back as someone

867
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: who gives us updates on Global Guardian and what you've

868
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: got going down, you know, with your thoughts on the

869
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: world right.

870
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, rad I, I would you know, if we do

871
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 4: this again, I would love to have a bit of

872
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 4: a you know, if we could do an issue where

873
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 4: we just talk about the globe, because I'd love to

874
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 4: have that conversation about US China, the relations how that's decoupling,

875
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 4: what that might look like. I'd love to talk about Iran,

876
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 4: what's happening with Israel and how we could get pulled

877
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 4: into that from two different directions. I'd love to talk

878
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 4: about what is happening in Europe with the Ukraine and Russia.

879
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 4: Those are kind of the Big three, but there's a

880
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 4: series of other things domestically we should talk about at

881
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 4: some point, because I just think there's a lot going on,

882
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 4: some good, some bad, some hyper pope politicize, some not,

883
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 4: and those conversations are valid and they're they're required at

884
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 4: this point. And I think having an open mind, not

885
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 4: being tribal, not taking it from one viewpoint or another,

886
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 4: but trying to be very you know, three sixty about

887
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 4: this matters at this point and age you.

888
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 2: Know, I completely agree with you on that, and not

889
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: knowing any side we are either on, I would have

890
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: a candid conversation with you about it, you know, respectfully,

891
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 2: and I would hope that i'd listen to.

892
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 4: That rad we I think this is like I'm fifty four.

893
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 4: If I can't have a mature conversation without going tribal

894
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 4: and just defending one side or the other, like I'm

895
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 4: missing it, right, I've just clearly I didn't learn the

896
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 4: lessons of life.

897
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:20,479
Speaker 3: No, It's true.

898
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, when you look at these things, if you can't

899
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 4: look at it objectively, objectively, based on fact, and you're

900
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 4: going down a path based on some kind of mindset

901
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 4: or theory, you're you're missing it. Like you you know,

902
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 4: as you mature in life, you should lose some of

903
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,399
Speaker 4: that as you go. I think and realize that at

904
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,240
Speaker 4: the core of everything is the human condition. The human

905
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 4: condition matters, It drives everything. Recognizing what the Internet has done,

906
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 4: recognizing how connected we are, recognizing good information versus bad.

907
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 4: All these things go into this. But ultimately, to your point,

908
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 4: rad if we can't have that mature discussion without being tribal,

909
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 4: then I just think you're missing it. I think you've

910
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 4: you've got to kind of pull your head out of

911
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 4: that and look broadly across the entire spectrum, look globally,

912
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 4: and then look domestically and kind of break each one

913
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 4: of these issues down in a very mature matter without

914
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,439
Speaker 4: trying to go down one path or another mic drop.

915
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 2: So with that, my friend, my new friend, Dale Buckner,

916
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: I'm grateful for your service in the Special Forces community.

917
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: Congratulations on making colonel in that and then moving into

918
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: this life. It shows that veterans can go from you know, enlisting,

919
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 2: chasing the collegiate, you know, getting that degree and getting

920
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: the officer and then becoming your own businessman again as

921
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: an entrepreneur in something that you're passionate about and that

922
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 2: you love. And I think that if we just wind

923
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: this down and just say, you know, to my listener,

924
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: if you're passionate about something and you've asked somebody a

925
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 2: million different people about an idea and they say no,

926
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: but you still feel it's true, go with it, okay,

927
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 2: because you're going to make sure you're It's up to

928
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 2: you to bring it to life and to fruition your

929
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 2: passion of that.

930
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: I can't you can.

931
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 2: I say no, it's not for me, right, but it's

932
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 2: for somebody. And if you believe in it, then just

933
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 2: run with it. And and with that and on behalf

934
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 2: of Dale Buckner and Global Guardian and the world being

935
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 2: a safe place to sleep at night and soft Rep Radio.

936
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 3: Go check out our merch by the way, we.

937
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: Got merch Okay, I gotta say that, Go check out

938
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 2: the merch store on soft Rep. But things again, Dale

939
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 2: for being here. It's been a pleasure and I just

940
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: want to say thank.

941
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 4: You, thank you. N really enjoyed it.

942
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 1: You've been listening to self Rep Radio