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Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome back to the Carol Marcowa show. I'm all

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Speaker 1: about the celebrity gossip.

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Speaker 2: I really am.

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Speaker 3: And it's actually kind of crazy because the joke is

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Speaker 3: that I don't watch TV or movies really at all.

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Speaker 3: I watch like a few movies a year. I don't

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Speaker 3: think I have any shows going right.

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Speaker 1: Now at all.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen any of the big ones.

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Speaker 3: I'm just not a TV movie person. So the fact

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Speaker 3: that I read about all of these people and I

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Speaker 3: don't know who they are is kind of funny. I

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Speaker 3: read all their stories, and it's partially because I write

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Speaker 3: a column at the New York Posts, so I read

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Speaker 3: the paper every day and there's a lot of celebrity

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Speaker 3: stuff in there. There was a headline a few days

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Speaker 1: To remember it.

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Speaker 2: Ali Krieger's brother.

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Speaker 3: Hints at Ashlyn Harris infidelity, amid Sophia Bush Romans. I

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Speaker 3: don't know who any of these people are. Did I

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Speaker 3: click it and read it? Of course, yes I did.

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Speaker 3: And a few months ago, the big juicy story out

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Speaker 3: of the reality world was scandal val from the show

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Speaker 3: vander Pump Rules. There was a longtime couple on the show,

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Speaker 3: and the guy cheated with a friend of his girlfriends

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Speaker 3: who was also on the show. And I mean, I

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Speaker 3: read everything about it, and I haven't seen one minute

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Speaker 3: with that love triangle. There's nothing wrong with liking celebrity gossip.

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Speaker 3: There's a cottage industry around it, specifically because people.

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Speaker 2: Like me do click and read.

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Speaker 3: And I know women get criticized for like being into

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Speaker 3: this kind of stuff, but I really don't see it

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Speaker 3: as wildly different than men watching ESPN and you know,

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Speaker 3: catching up on what their latest and what their favorite

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Speaker 3: much about how relationships fall apart. We get all the

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Speaker 3: gory detis, we see the aftermath, the pain. We see

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Speaker 3: a lot less of how people fall in love, how

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Speaker 3: their relationship grows. All the good stuff is really hidden away.

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Speaker 2: And that's not wrong.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, as the philosopher Mick Jagger once said, he actually

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Speaker 3: had a solo country album he recorded where he's saying

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Speaker 3: love is fragile, you hide it from the light.

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Speaker 2: And I fully believe in that as well.

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Speaker 3: I think that you should keep your relationship, you know,

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Speaker 3: so normal to go out with your friends and complain

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Speaker 3: and just gush about him. Right, there's also this element

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Speaker 3: of courting bad luck. This is big in my Russian

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Speaker 3: or you might lose them.

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Speaker 1: And I get it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm very superstitious. Actually it's sort of embarrassing.

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Speaker 2: I knock on wood, I.

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Speaker 3: Do this like three spit thing that we do.

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Speaker 2: It's like too too too.

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Speaker 3: And of course the part of me that worries if

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Speaker 3: I talk about my happiness too much, if I talk

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Speaker 3: improve our relationship, what works that you know, he'll leave

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Speaker 2: That's obviously a crazy way to live.

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Speaker 3: And I acknowledge that. And when you do live like that,

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Speaker 3: when you keep happiness or joy or the good things,

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Speaker 3: the secret what ends up happening is people only hear

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Speaker 3: the bad parts, especially about things like relationships. And you

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Speaker 3: have people online who push this idea that singlehood is

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Speaker 3: just the best, and it goes unchallenged because they could

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Speaker 3: tell you that from experience, because I spent my twenties

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Speaker 3: saying that marriage was basically for suckers, and no one

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Speaker 3: we imagine someone will mock us if we say our

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Speaker 3: marriage is amazing and then it somehow fails, and like,

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Speaker 3: I assure you, they won't. I know that this is

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm telling this to you, but I'm also

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Speaker 3: saying this to myself. It's a thing that people are

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Speaker 3: worried about, but it's just never going to happen, because

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Speaker 3: we all ultimately know the truth even when we don't

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Speaker 3: say it, that a good relationship is way better than

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Speaker 3: good singlehood. And maybe we don't need to pretend that

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Speaker 3: is bulletproof and definitely definitely going.

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Speaker 1: To last forever.

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Speaker 3: Maybe the next time you get together with your girlfriends,

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Speaker 3: you just say one nice thing about your husband. You

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Speaker 3: don't have to gush if you don't want to, Just

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Speaker 3: one really positive thing. And obviously not just women, but

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Speaker 3: I just feel like women talk about their husbands more

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Speaker 3: it's so clear who's really into his wife. I just

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Speaker 3: don't think that men do the same kind of emoting

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Speaker 3: your wife. Next time you're together with your guy friends.

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Speaker 3: Let them know that it's normal to be in good, happy,

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Speaker 3: healthy relationships. In any case, don't keep it a secret

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Speaker 3: if you're happy. Reality stars who are happy don't make

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Speaker 3: the news, But that doesn't mean that happy marriages don't exist,

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Speaker 3: and it's important to show that they do. Less the

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Speaker 3: bad news completely overwhelms the good. We could really use

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Speaker 3: that good news. We could really use that positivity. If

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Speaker 3: you're happy in your life, in your marriage and your relationship,

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Speaker 3: say so. Don't worry about you know, jinxing yourself or something.

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Speaker 3: We need that good news to overwhelm the bad.

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Speaker 1: It's very important for all of us.

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Speaker 3: Coming up after the break, my interview with Bridget Betas

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Speaker 3: and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show. My next

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Speaker 3: guest is my friend, Bridget Betasie. Bridget is a writer,

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Speaker 3: show dumpster Fire and us in All Around gem Hi, Bridget,

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. I'm so exciting here.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to have you.

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Speaker 3: You were on my very short list of the first

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Speaker 3: guests I wanted to have on I met you several

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Speaker 3: And your life has changed a little bit since then.

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Speaker 3: You got married, you had a baby, you moved to Texas.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's been quite a journey since we met.

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Speaker 5: just more and more could not afford to live there.

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Speaker 5: Once I had a child, you have to kind of

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Speaker 5: But even before I had kids, we were looking at

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Speaker 5: leaving my husband and I. The COVID policies were just

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Speaker 4: And being somebody who traveled around America.

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Speaker 5: During COVID and the world, I was like, you know,

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Speaker 4: It was so crazy.

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Speaker 5: It was so wild, and I would go back to

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Speaker 5: California and it was the mentality was so locked down.

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Speaker 5: You know, their own minds were locked down from even

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Speaker 5: And I love the fact that I live in America

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Speaker 5: and I can move absolutely.

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Speaker 3: It was so weird because I thought, you know, things

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Speaker 4: So yeah, in Texas, I it's an adjustment.

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Speaker 5: I'm to make one point before I talk about Texas

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Speaker 5: and my increasing love for it. One of the wildest

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Speaker 4: On that, and that was wild. I'm like, I'm going

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Speaker 5: You know, more they're they're more open and more questioning

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Speaker 4: That's wild to me. And yes, Texas.

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Speaker 5: I we moved in May and then it got very

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Speaker 5: me that was like the the will Arnt meme from

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Speaker 5: I've made a huge mistake, you know, I like moved

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Speaker 5: here and I was like, oh no, we're very isolated

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Speaker 5: not the same at all as it was in California.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure if I'm totally incorrect, but as far

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Speaker 4: Get an HMO.

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Speaker 5: And I've never had to deal with what people have

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Speaker 5: it's crazy. Actually, it's so Our healthcare system is so broken,

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Speaker 5: fundamentally broken. And if I could fix one thing in

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Speaker 3: Florida for the freedom to escape the communism, and we

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00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 3: them a lot. But in general, it just it takes

444
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 3: work and it takes time, and it's hard to do

445
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 3: as an adult because you feel like you should already

446
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,679
Speaker 3: have all your friends made and yet here we are,

447
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 3: like you know, starting anew.

448
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 4: And everyone's so busy. Yeah, everyone is so busy, so hard.

449
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, the kids have so many activities and sports and

450
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 3: stuff like that, we're barely seeing each other, let alone

451
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 3: like finding time for new people. But opening your home,

452
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 3: that's I think such a good call and like, really

453
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 3: what I feel like I should probably do more of.

454
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've really been loving my neighbors. And there's so

455
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 5: many littles in my neighborhood too. It's like there's a

456
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,719
Speaker 5: little baby boom in this neighborhood. So h and everybody's

457
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 5: just so warm. Our neighbors made us brisket when we

458
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 5: moved in, and now they're having a baby. You know,

459
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 5: she's having a baby. So I've been helping her with

460
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 5: like giving her tons of stuff and helping. And there's

461
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 5: a very angry Facebook for them for the development, as

462
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 5: as there is for every single one development.

463
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 4: But it's also a great place to be, Like I

464
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 4: have baby clothes, you know, I have Like who needs

465
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 4: a pregnancy pillow? I don't need it. So yeah, and

466
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 4: it's weird.

467
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 5: It's just I'm not used to like the having to

468
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 5: make mom friends and stuff, and and she's just loves people,

469
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 5: so I try to really like the local library has

470
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 5: story hours, so we've been doing that and I've met

471
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 5: some moms there and we've exchanged numbers but haven't done

472
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 5: anything yet.

473
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Speaker 1: But it's right, you're gonna You're gonna find them. You're

474
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Speaker 1: going to find your people. And I, you know, I

475
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 1: think I am too. I think it's just you know, again,

476
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: it takes takes a minute to do it.

477
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Speaker 4: It's like an awkward thing too.

478
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's awkward being not not because the weird

479
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 5: thing that's happened to me in Texas that didn't really

480
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,199
Speaker 5: happen to me in LA is that I get recognized

481
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 5: a lot more here.

482
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 3: Yeah.

483
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 4: When I go out and about and it's and it's

484
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 4: very very strange and weird.

485
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 5: And it's like somebody and the development group saw me

486
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 5: in there and they were like, I'm so glad you

487
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 5: live in our development and that was weird.

488
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, I shouldn't I should I even be

489
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 4: in this group.

490
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 5: So there are strange things like that, But then it

491
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,160
Speaker 5: makes I get insecure because I'm like, does this person

492
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 5: already hate me? You know, Like when I'm in these

493
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 5: like mommy groups where I'm like, maybe someone recognizes me

494
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 5: and they're like, I hate that be from Twitter, you know,

495
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 5: like GIRLA or whatever.

496
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's not true. I'm sure they all love you.

497
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: I mean, who's not going to love you?

498
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 4: A lot of people.

499
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 3: But you know, I was scrolling on your Twitter earlier

500
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 3: today and I saw some terrible opinions that you have,

501
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 3: so maybe maybe you're not totally off, but like you

502
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 3: tweeted that, I was gonna.

503
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 4: Be like about it.

504
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 3: Just d.

505
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Speaker 1: You get the Pete Davidson thing? Explain that to me.

506
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: I do not.

507
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 4: I never got it. I never ever got it.

508
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: Until I saw to get it what I said, I

509
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 1: continue not to get it.

510
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, I never got it until I saw that opening,

511
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 5: because I could see him struggling to be somewhat opening. Yeah,

512
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 5: he hosted Saturday Night Live. For people who don't know,

513
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 5: Pete Davidson hosted Saturday Live. He did the monologue, as

514
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 5: you do when you're the host, and it was obviously

515
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 5: a fraught Saturday to.

516
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 4: Be doing a monologue. There's a lot of tension in

517
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 4: the world.

518
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 5: For people who also don't know, it would be amazing

519
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 5: listening to this podcast and like not knowing, You're like,

520
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 5: what's going on?

521
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 4: What's she talking about?

522
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 5: And so he did his best a thread, I think,

523
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 5: a very difficult needle on a show where you're gonna

524
00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 5: piss everybody off no matter what you say, no one's

525
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 5: going to be happy with really, and he made it

526
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 5: personal and then talked about how his father was killed

527
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 5: in a terrorist attack, and in that moment, I was like.

528
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 6: I get it.

529
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 4: I suddenly was like tell me I want I want

530
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 4: to rescue I see.

531
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: Because I keep waiting for him to be funny, and.

532
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 4: I just know he's like a mommy's well.

533
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 5: And also the thing that I really identified with is

534
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 5: I had a not easy upbringing and using comedy because

535
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 5: I was just doing I did something on Thursday night.

536
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 5: It was the Normal World show at the Blaze, and

537
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 5: we're all comedians and we were all joking before we

538
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 5: even started recording it, and we were like, we can't

539
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 5: make any of.

540
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 4: These jokes because I was like, this is just a

541
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 4: copy mechanism. I don't know, I don't it is I got.

542
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 5: I used to get yelled at it when I was

543
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 5: in rehab for making too many jokes and laughing, but

544
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 5: it was just how I coped with a hard situation.

545
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 5: So between him kind of being this like seeing the

546
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 5: brokenness inside of him, and then and then hearing how

547
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 5: also Delirious saved me when my parents got divorced. So

548
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 5: he talks about Eddie Murphy's Delirious, So I personally related

549
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 5: to that and all of those things.

550
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 4: And I was like, okay, okay, I kind of get it.

551
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 4: I kind of.

552
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 5: Understand how he gets the hottest woman on earth repeatedly

553
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 5: because he uses humor to cope and he's there's something

554
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 5: about him that you want to just like I wanted

555
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 5: to hug him when he was talking about that.

556
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: We're gonna just you know, this is one of those.

557
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 3: We're gonna have to agree to disagree, but I'm not

558
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 3: going to try to cancel you because of your terrible opinion.

559
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 4: You know, put me on let it go.

560
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you mentioned rehab, and I know that you

561
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 3: recently celebrated ten years.

562
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 4: Of no this this coming? When does this go on?

563
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: Come next week?

564
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 4: Okay? So recently yep, yep, Yeah.

565
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 3: To your recently celebrated ten years of sobriety. And you've

566
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 3: been very public about your sobriety journey.

567
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: So what's it been like?

568
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 4: I mean, it is ten years is nuts? Ten years.

569
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 5: I've had a lot of anniversaries obviously in nine other ones,

570
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 5: and it's impressive.

571
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: It's really it's probably.

572
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 5: When you get sober ten years is like science fiction.

573
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 4: It's just like you're lying.

574
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 5: No one's been sober that long's it's not something I

575
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 5: ever would have considered to be possible for myself. I

576
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 5: couldn't even make it ten hours or ten days in

577
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 5: early sobriety.

578
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 4: That's just so far off. And it's so.

579
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 5: Strange to look at how my life has changed in

580
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 5: that decade.

581
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 4: A lot of it is because I got sober, but.

582
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 5: Also just little things, thinking like I haven't had a

583
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 5: hangover it in ten years.

584
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 4: Wow, that's crazy. I haven't had to wake up and

585
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 4: be like, oh what did I say?

586
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 5: Or wonder that I ran my mouth too much at

587
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 5: a dinner party, or I don't know, there are just

588
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 5: so many or figured out where I was even, you know,

589
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 5: like drop a pin and tell me where I am, sire,

590
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:22,479
Speaker 5: that's happened.

591
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 4: There are just so many, so many gifts.

592
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 5: And then I think about how at the beginning, when

593
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 5: I got sober, I went to this meeting and rolled

594
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 5: my eyes at a guy who was like, everything in

595
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 5: my life should be stamped property of AA because I'm

596
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 5: in twelve step recovery.

597
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 4: And I was like, ah, like right, whatever, bro, And

598
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 4: I look around and I'm like, Nope, that's me.

599
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 5: I look around in my life and absolutely everything in

600
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 5: my life springs from me getting sober and not just

601
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 5: getting physically so the thing that happens when you get sober,

602
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 5: and it is over the years. They say it's like

603
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 5: peeling and onion, and it is so much, and that

604
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 5: you deal with things that come up, but also the

605
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 5: ability to become emotionally state like so the emotional sobriety.

606
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 5: Sometimes I look at people losing their minds online, which

607
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 5: has been a lot of people in the past week,

608
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 5: in particular the past couple of weeks, like wow, one,

609
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 5: a couple of things come up. One nobody loves these

610
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 5: people enough to tell them to log out, which is

611
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 5: sad to me.

612
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 3: I mean, that is something I think about a lot,

613
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 3: and I've used like I've said it, and I know

614
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 3: it sounds insulting, but like, do you have anybody you

615
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 3: can turn to because you are coming off as a

616
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: crazy person? And I know that that's like, you know,

617
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 3: an insult, but I really do mean it. I feel

618
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 3: like I would hope that somebody in my life would

619
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 3: step in and be like, get off the internet.

620
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 4: Get offline. Somebody would I know my I know that, Yeah.

621
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 5: I mean I would hope my husband would be like, Okay,

622
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 5: you've lost you are you need to I'm taking a

623
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 5: phone away.

624
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 4: This is an intervention.

625
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

626
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 5: I mean if you're online saying some of the things

627
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 5: people have been saying, you you know someone and no

628
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 5: one said you need to log out, that's upsetting to me.

629
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,239
Speaker 5: So aside from that, but another one is like are

630
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 5: you are you high or drunk or like what what

631
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 5: is going on that?

632
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: Do you identify other people?

633
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 4: Like do you can you?

634
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 3: Like, I mean, I could spot it by somebody with

635
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 3: way somebody looks, but I I not necessarily on Twitter,

636
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 3: you know.

637
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 5: It's I see a lot of adderall addiction on Twitter,

638
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 5: you know, like people just like rage, fighting and doubling

639
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 5: down and doubling down and doubling down. And I do

640
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 5: I do wonder about this kind of addiction to being

641
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 5: right that a lot of people have. I again, this

642
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 5: comes from sobriety and trying to truly like practice these

643
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 5: principles and all of our affairs. As they say, there

644
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 5: is a certain amount of humility and knowing that I

645
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 5: don't know anything. I think getting sober getting caught in

646
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 5: the crossfire of the culture Wars was I'm continuously wrong

647
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 5: publicly because I don't know anything. And I also really

648
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,479
Speaker 5: had to kind of grow up and learn a lot

649
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 5: about America and the culture Wars and things that I

650
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 5: knew nothing about very publicly. And then there are just

651
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 5: things where I'm like, I have a gut instinct about

652
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 5: something and it's just wrong because I realize that I'm

653
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 5: in my own silo or my own echo chamber, and

654
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 5: I'm not really taking it enough. There's no way for

655
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 5: me to obviously see what three hundred million plus people

656
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 5: are thinking and feeling. But like I thought for sure

657
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 5: there would be a red wave to come back to

658
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 5: what we were talking about. I for sure thought there

659
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 5: would be a red wave during the mid terms in

660
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 5: twenty twenty two took as a rebuke of a lot

661
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 5: of these lockdowns. Michigan proved me completely wrong about that.

662
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,919
Speaker 5: I mean, most people agreed or were far enough away

663
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 5: from it that they had forgotten that they just didn't care.

664
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 4: And I was so wrong about that because that was

665
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 4: my thing. That was my thing. It's not everyone else's thing, right.

666
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: It was that was an eye opener for me.

667
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 3: Well, I think there were some really terrible candidates, but

668
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 3: I think that really what happened there is that people

669
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 3: like you and me who like suffered through those lockdowns.

670
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 3: I mean we lived in a blue areas that were

671
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 3: going to vote blue no matter what. And then the

672
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 3: red areas they did not suffer the way that we

673
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 3: suffered because they had again, like you said, the kind

674
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 3: of a normalcy they did the two weeks and then

675
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 3: they moved on with their lives, so they.

676
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: Didn't have this like bitterness.

677
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 3: Places like Michigan I disappointed by, but those places are few,

678
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 3: you know, where they should have voted the other way

679
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 3: because they did suffer, but then they didn't.

680
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was that was.

681
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 4: Weird to me.

682
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 5: And then I recently had walk Walter kerrent on Watkins

683
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 5: Welcome and he made such a good point where he

684
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 5: he and he actually said, which reminded me of you,

685
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 5: that like everyone was in their pajamas, this pajama class,

686
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 5: and they liked it.

687
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 4: They liked being in their pajamas.

688
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 5: Oh, they liked working from home, they liked pelotons.

689
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 4: You know, they had the greatest time I mean, I

690
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 4: think it is.

691
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 3: Well. My admission is that I loved it. Also, it's

692
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 3: not that I didn't love it. I loved having my

693
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 3: kids home. It was a cozy, sweet time.

694
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: But I knew it was bad. I knew it was

695
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: bad for them. I knew it was bad for me.

696
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 1: I knew it was bad for society.

697
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 3: It was like, yeah, this is functioning well for our family,

698
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 3: and because we're also ignoring a lot of the directives

699
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 3: to like not see anybody and not do anything.

700
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: But I knew that it was going to be catastrophic

701
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: for New York, for example. And I hate that.

702
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 3: How right I've been about that because I'd love to

703
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 3: see New York recover. I'd love to see New York

704
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 3: bounce back, but.

705
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: They're nowhere near that, and I feel like people haven't

706
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 1: based that yet.

707
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 5: Not to mention the generation of kids that completely fell

708
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 5: through the cracks that you'll never hear about.

709
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: I mean, we're en year old.

710
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's I mean huge, but like, you know,

711
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: just my seven year old havn't gone, you know, to

712
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 3: zoom kindergarten and all the help that we've gotten him

713
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 3: since moving to Florida and all the like just different

714
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 3: ways that we've paid attention to him, Like all the families,

715
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 3: they cannot devote the kind of time and resources that

716
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 3: we have. I just I don't know what happened to

717
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: those kids. And yeah, we're going to know, but not

718
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: anytime too soon.

719
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so.

720
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 5: That was That's something too that I think is interesting

721
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 5: to witness is is And I'm seeing this right now

722
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 5: where if you're so attached to like one thing, it

723
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 5: becomes the lens through which you see every single thing.

724
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 5: So oh, if they maybe lie to manipulated about COVID,

725
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 5: obviously the war in Ukraine is fake and and this

726
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 5: is Israel is a false Ai.

727
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know this is it's dangerous.

728
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 3: Get off people off of that distrustful hand. I understand

729
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 3: where they're coming from. I just feel like I need

730
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 3: people to like shake it off and like look at

731
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 3: each situation as a unique thing, not as part of

732
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 3: one big conspiracy.

733
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's tough to that's something I'm seeing.

734
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 5: It's another uh, you know, the shred when Yeah, I

735
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 5: mean this kind of leads into your final questions, which

736
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 5: I don't want to go run run with you forever,

737
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 5: which we could.

738
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: We could we definitely could keep going.

739
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 3: But so you have, you know, a family, you're married,

740
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 3: you have a daughter, you have two shows, you get

741
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 3: recognized in the street, you have hundreds of thousands of

742
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 3: Twitter followers.

743
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you've made it?

744
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 5: Oh, that's an interesting question because it's never enough for

745
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 5: me because I'm an addict.

746
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 3: Carol, Well, you know, yeah, I'll let you answer, but

747
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 3: I would just say I get a range of responses

748
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 3: to this, and it's very interesting because it is no

749
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 3: right or wrong here.

750
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 4: No, I know, I know.

751
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,720
Speaker 5: Let's just say my therapist and I work on this question,

752
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 5: probably weakly. She would say I have made it. I

753
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 5: would say that depends on what you mean by made

754
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 5: it by all accounts.

755
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean there's I've made it and that. And

756
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 4: this is something they say when you first get sober.

757
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 5: Is that the person the things you thought you wanted

758
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 5: you will not want, and the things that you and

759
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 5: things you didn't even know you wanted, you will want.

760
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 5: I never would have put on my list of ambitions

761
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 5: a successful marriage, a loving partner, a child like those

762
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 5: were not things that were my top priority. And now

763
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 5: that's everything to me. That's my priority. My some having

764
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 5: some kind of spiritual life however that looks is important

765
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 5: to me being grounded. They give my life an incredible

766
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 5: amount of meaning that I that I could not have

767
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 5: possibly comprehended, because how can you You can't.

768
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: I just I was so you don't know, Yeah, you

769
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: don't know.

770
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 5: You don't know, and the danger is how much? And

771
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 5: this is something I really I try to write about.

772
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 5: And it's very hard because it's so much of it

773
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 5: as a cope until you know, and you just don't

774
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 5: want to cope your way into it too late to

775
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 5: find out, you know, being being like, oh I don't

776
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 5: need this, and I because you because it's dating, it's hard,

777
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 5: and because it's so scary to put yourself out there,

778
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 5: and because if you are getting older and farther away

779
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 5: from having kids, it's just like it's easier to be like,

780
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 5: you know, kids destroy the world, right, So that that's

781
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 5: something interesting I see, and I've seen in myself and

782
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 5: had to I mean, I got very very lucky.

783
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 4: It was nothing other than luck. There's no so much

784
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 4: of it is luck. I say that so much of it.

785
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: I think timing luck.

786
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 3: I think that we give people the impression that like

787
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 3: they're not working hard enough to find like their you know,

788
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 3: love of their life or whatever.

789
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: And I so much of it is just right time,

790
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: right place. And that's, you know, just how it goes.

791
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 4: My husband and I broke up.

792
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 5: I mean we met when he was like not even

793
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 5: ninety days sober, and we were it was instant. But

794
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 5: I could never get okay with taking that early sobriety

795
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 5: time away from him, and it was I was never

796
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 5: okay with it, and we both had to kind of

797
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 5: completely let go and walk away, and then we came

798
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 5: back together, and again that was I never would have

799
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 5: seen that coming. There's just so many things. I've just

800
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 5: been so completely humbled over and over and over again in.

801
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 4: Life and.

802
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 5: Constantly just shown that God is doing for me what

803
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 5: I cannot do for myself often and usually and Eve

804
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 5: and when we when you want to talk about made

805
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 5: it in terms of my career financially right now, I

806
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,879
Speaker 5: will not be totally honest, I'm terrified I'm in I'm

807
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 5: not in the I think people would think I'm in

808
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 5: a much better position than I'm in, and I'm not.

809
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 5: It's It's like my you know, flavor of Little Miss

810
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 5: Captain of the Fence writing team is not popular or

811
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 5: economically you know, incentivized by the polarization right now.

812
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 3: And yeah, this leads me actually perfectly into my last question,

813
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 3: which is, what do you think is our largest cultural

814
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 3: or societal problem in America right now?

815
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 5: I mean, I think the loss of trust and institutions

816
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 5: is catastrophic, because I don't think it's bad. If they've

817
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 5: lost your trust, then they need to regain our trust, and.

818
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 4: I don't feel like that part is bad.

819
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 5: What I think is happening is that it then leaves

820
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 5: this massive vacuum and people start believing. People seem very lost.

821
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 5: And I also worry about the generations. I really am

822
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 5: very concerned learned about the mental health and overall education

823
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 5: of our kids. It just seems like they're really struggling,

824
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 5: this generation that's been raised online. I think polarization has

825
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 5: always existed in America, and it seems to kind of

826
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 5: rise and fall. But what this, I don't know that

827
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 5: there's always been such an enormous collapse of trust and institutions.

828
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 5: And with the polarization being that it is, it just

829
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 5: leaves people open to believing like any conspiracy theory and like, look,

830
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 5: I'm I'm subject to this stuff.

831
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 4: Too sure.

832
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 5: Somebody sent me a video about how the moon was

833
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 5: basically a hollowed out spaceship, and two minutes in I

834
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 5: was like, yeah, yeah, I could, I could believe this.

835
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 4: It's two minutes solvable.

836
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 1: Like, do you think this distrust mistrust is solvable?

837
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 5: Yes, but I think it starts with the individual and

838
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 5: I think it starts with emotional sobriety. Well, that's another

839
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 5: fundamental problem is that everybody wants to believe. You know,

840
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 5: this leads into yeah, I mean I think it's solvable,

841
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 5: but it requires personal responsibility.

842
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 4: So maybe no, right, Yeah, it's easy to blame everybody else.

843
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 3: Around you and be like, look absolutely, that's that's definitely

844
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 3: the case. And I think that that's probably the biggest

845
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 3: roadblock is that nobody takes personal responsibility in Like, you know,

846
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 3: you could believe in conspiracy theories, right, but you know

847
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 3: you can notice when you're believing that the moon landing

848
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: was you know, fake.

849
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 4: Well, I believe it was real. I just now think

850
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 4: it might be a hollowed out spaceship.

851
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 3: No.

852
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 5: You know, my husband always says, like, for all Jordan

853
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 5: Peterson's crap that he gets the guy is right about

854
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 5: clean your room and this is something that shows up

855
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 5: in twelve step everyone where it's like next right, what's

856
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 5: the next right action?

857
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 4: What keep your own side of the street clean.

858
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 5: I see this with both major parties, like clean up

859
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 5: your side of the street, Guys, don't stop pointing fingers.

860
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 4: Both parties have.

861
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 5: Real problems within them that they need to address, but

862
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 5: they shouldn't even be looking atway.

863
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 4: And everyone's like, but the other party, the other person's doing.

864
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 4: I'm like, you guys are children. This is what children do.

865
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 5: But he did it to me, and like, this isn't

866
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 5: fair and you all sound like kids. But my husband

867
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 5: always says, what are you doing that you shouldn't be doing?

868
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 5: And what should you be doing that you're not doing?

869
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 5: And that is such easy, an easy place to just start.

870
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 5: What are you doing that you shouldn't be doing? And

871
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 5: what should you be doing that you're not doing? Because

872
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 5: most of the things in your life that are going awry,

873
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 5: or the anxiety you might be feeling, or the depression

874
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 5: that my lot of it stems from the answers to

875
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 5: those questions.

876
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's absolutely right. So end here with your

877
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: best tip for my listeners on how they can improve

878
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 3: their life I feel like you've given us a lot

879
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 3: of good advice already, but give us your best piece

880
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 3: of advice.

881
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 5: I mean, my never ending mantra is just keep going.

882
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 5: That is just my constant mantra. And I think everything

883
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 5: I just said, what are you doing that you shouldn't

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Speaker 5: be doing? And what should you be doing that you're

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Speaker 5: not doing?

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Speaker 4: And just keep going, just persist.

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Speaker 5: There's so much wisdom and stoicism and all of the

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Speaker 5: the you know, keep keep your eyes on your own paper.

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Speaker 4: All these stupid platitudes actually have a lot of wisdom

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Speaker 4: in them, and that.

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Speaker 5: I do think, starting with yourself and the control, controlling

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Speaker 5: the controllables.

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Speaker 4: What can you control? I can control what my house

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Speaker 4: looks like. I can control my attitude about things.

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Speaker 3: I can.

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Speaker 5: You know, so many things can be fixed by just

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Speaker 5: writing a gratitude list, which sounds so stupid, but truly

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Speaker 5: looking around and saying, all right, what do we like this?

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Speaker 5: Even with all of our problems, this is still the

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Speaker 5: most amazing country maybe ever, and we have so much,

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Speaker 5: so much yeah, and so just realizing that, yeah, gratitude,

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Speaker 5: It's like it's such a it's such an easy place

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Speaker 5: to go.

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Speaker 4: If you're feeling blackpilled or nihilistic.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, absolutely, Thank you so much for joining us, Bridget,

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Speaker 3: You've been fantastic. You're one of my favorite people, and

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Speaker 3: this is a really fun conversation. I think I could

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Speaker 3: have kept you here for easily another hour. But thank

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Speaker 3: you so much for joining us in the Carol Marcowitz Show.

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Speaker 3: And congratulations on ten years of sprite.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you for having me, and congratulations on

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Speaker 4: your show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for listening to The Carol Markowitz Show. Be

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Speaker 3: sure to like, share, and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.

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