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Speaker 1: Why do we keep talking about things that polls show

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Speaker 1: nobody cares about. I guess because we hope you care

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Speaker 1: care about the national debt. I wish they did. We've

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Speaker 1: been talking about it for years. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: unthinkable technical achievements, and yet we're committing fiscal suicide as

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Speaker 1: a people, and nobody can seem to comprehend the idea

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Speaker 1: will bring on financial ruin. It's an interesting contrast in

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Speaker 1: my crazy head, and I feel like the the the

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Speaker 1: Republican Party, if they hadn't already set up the white

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Speaker 1: flag this week or just signaled they don't care, We're

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Speaker 1: not gonna pretend to care anymore. Tiana Low is a

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Speaker 1: commentary writer for the Washington Examiner. She also founded the

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Speaker 1: USC Economic Review Tianna, how are you? I am doing well? Excellent?

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Speaker 1: So listen. We ask most of our guests who attended

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Speaker 1: us see the same question merit or parent check, and

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Speaker 1: we asked that my parents paid the old fashioned way,

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Speaker 1: which was you know, s a t tutors ap test,

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Speaker 1: all that, you know, the boring regular mass near stop,

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Speaker 1: not the half a million dollars to take my way

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Speaker 1: onto a crew teams ask that not too so clouds

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Speaker 1: of doubt over your your interview this morning, but to

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Speaker 1: remove them. Tiana entirely merit at usc congratulations. So hey, listen,

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Speaker 1: you're a younger person. I'm guessing you hang out with

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Speaker 1: you know, at least to some extent peers, Does anybody

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Speaker 1: the debt bomb that is going to settle you, you you

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Speaker 1: people with enormous taxes. I feel like Cassandra running around

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Speaker 1: is here, with social security and solvency actually looks like

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Speaker 1: when it is here, What the ramifications of medicare for

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Speaker 1: we're getting that idea, and we don't have a party anymore.

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Speaker 1: Those of us who would like the country to live

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Speaker 1: within its means as the Republicans, would you agree they

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Speaker 1: signaled in the recent days that they just don't even

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Speaker 1: long time ago, just to became like abundantly evident this week.

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Speaker 1: Oh certainly. I mean the fact that of one of

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Speaker 1: the most talented presidential debates, good is in modern American politics,

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Speaker 1: we chose the one guy who swore that he wouldn't

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Speaker 1: this dietary equivalent of all dessert with no veggies, where

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Speaker 1: kids like human beings, like, it's just it's living in

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Speaker 1: a fantasy lane. And and to Trump running on no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: don't actually care about this, and he was right Yeah,

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Speaker 1: is um and you know, protectionism and trade work. That's

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Speaker 1: I you know, I I read a substantial part of

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Speaker 1: for folks. Uh, you know, I I think the Tea

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Speaker 1: Um Tiana Lowe's commentary writer for The Washington Examiner. I

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Speaker 1: perfectly willing to make that concession out of just pure logistics.

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Speaker 1: You know, their externalities to making sure that you're electorate

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Speaker 1: forget that that's not what Medicare for All does. Medicare

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Speaker 1: for all kneecaps the very system that makes global medicine possible.

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Speaker 1: So we're four point four percent of the world's population,

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Speaker 1: but we're forty four percent of the world medical research

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Speaker 1: we are seventy five percent of the world's pharmaceutical profits,

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Speaker 1: which means that not only we directly subsidizing Europe's pharmaceuticals,

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Speaker 1: when you when you move from a profit motivated system,

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Speaker 1: The next greatest purveyor of medical R and D the

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Speaker 1: point that you make quite powerfully, I think is that

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Speaker 1: immediately were it not subsidized every single day by private

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Speaker 1: insurance holders overpaying for medical services so that Medicare can

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Speaker 1: not work without private insurance still existing. But again, the

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Speaker 1: Tiana Low, commentary writer for the Washington Examiner. You know what,

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Speaker 1: just the reason we're still talking about this stuff pure stubbornness,

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Speaker 1: just pure unwillingness to do what would be good for

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Speaker 1: us and pen her. So we encourage you to commit

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Speaker 1: career suicide as well. Good luck, Thanks Tanna, thank you

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Speaker 1: and her and anybody else, that's uh. You know, an influencer,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's the best move. I don't know

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Speaker 1: one of our old bosses who was simultaneously UM, brilliant

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Speaker 1: I was talking about a friend of his, also in

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Speaker 1: you remember this too. He said. The problem with his

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Speaker 1: and they just didn't want to hear him anymore. Person

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Speaker 1: get rid of him. Um, you gotta find different ways

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Speaker 1: to say the same thing. Maybe it's helping people understand,

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Speaker 1: particularly younger people, what it will mean when the pooh

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Speaker 1: hits the fan, and the poo will absolutely hit the fan.

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Speaker 1: It means devastating levels of taxes and huge slashes in

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Speaker 1: all of the glorious sounding government programs you value. There

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Speaker 1: will be no help for the sick, in the poor,

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Speaker 1: and the downtrodden because there will be no money. They

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Speaker 1: will be starving in the streets. Old people will be

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Speaker 1: on their own. They will be glad to get cat food.

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Speaker 1: You will turn over two thirds of your paycheck, two

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Speaker 1: thirds of it to the government, and not for some

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Speaker 1: sort of glorious medicare for all and assured employment. That's

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Speaker 1: just to keep the lights on. You know, maybe we

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Speaker 1: need some good apocalyptic storytellers to make movies about it,

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Speaker 1: or or something. I don't know. But nobody seems that

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Speaker 1: They understand that they're going to pay a terrible price

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Speaker 1: in that period right now, and I don't know exactly

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Speaker 1: what to do about it. Probably nothing,