1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: I'm Alec Baldwin and you're listening to here's the thing. 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: That's Billy Joel on piano performing the iconic opening of 3 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: his Angry Young Man three genres in barely as many seconds. 4 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: It could be the Who, then it could be Aaron Copeland, 5 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: but that piano couldn't be anybody but Billy, Billy Joel, 6 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: Pink Floyd, Barbara streisand the Beatles Van Morrison. These are 7 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: just a few of the musical acts, heritage acts as 8 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: they are referred to now, who share a relationship with 9 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: my guest today. They're among the most famous names in music, 10 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: still packing the biggest halls and arenas around the world, 11 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: in no small part due to their frequent concert promoter, 12 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: Ron Delsoner. Delsoner is a working class kid from Queens 13 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: who rode his charm and his hustle all the way 14 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: to the top of the music industry. In fact, he 15 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: may be the biggest concert promoter of all time. Delsoner 16 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: basically created the genre of massive outdoor concerts, starting with 17 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: his series at Wolman Rink in nineteen sixty seven and 18 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: growing into the epic free concerts in the park for 19 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: those he got all the names, Pavaratti, streisand even post 20 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: breakup Simon and Garfunkel, one of the most attended musical 21 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: performances of all time. When Delsoner put it on in 22 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: one you can feel the excitement of a half a 23 00:01:55,160 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: million people. Promoting is a complicated job. You're booking talent 24 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: and securing venues. You're setting ticket prices and marketing the show. 25 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: Musicians have to trust you, venues have to fear you. 26 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: Plus it's risky. Promoters can lose their shirts. They're the 27 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: ones putting up the money for marketing and whatever they've 28 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: promised the talent they pay. Doesn't matter how many tickets 29 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: get sold. It requires nerves of steel. You booked the 30 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: biggest acts in the business for many, many years, for 31 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: many many years. Most of these people have what we 32 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 1: call the artist's temperaments. What how do you, wonderful people? 33 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: How do you deal with the artist's temperament? Well, I 34 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: got screwed up a few times on this. Should I 35 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: mention names? You know? You don't have to. You can 36 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 1: just say, as an example, to describe someone you don't 37 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: have the name, You name the name of people. It 38 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: was a Miami Sound Machine show, glorious Tefan, I didn't 39 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: say that what you did it might have been it 40 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: might have been Shakira or what did you say, Miami Stamus? 41 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: We know what we know what's not shak You very hip. 42 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: I can see that. And so it had rained and 43 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: the rain stopped, and there was rain of shining the 44 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: tickets in this about two thousand people going, Hey, open 45 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: the doors. I said, well, let's go, you're on. Her 46 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: husband comes over, a nice guy, says, she absolutely will 47 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: not go on. There is electricity in there, and she 48 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,119 Speaker 1: might get electrical. I said, let me tell you someut there. 49 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: I will put a hose down my mouth and stick 50 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: a microphone up my anus, put water around me, and 51 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: I will not get electric She never fucking talks to 52 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: me again. She does the show and I walk home, 53 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: I take a taxi. I sent her an umbrella, you know, 54 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: after that, to make peace and lo and behold. About 55 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: three or four years later, I get invited to Whitton 56 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: Houston's house when she was marrying Bobby Brown, nice place 57 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: in Jersey. Sitting right next to me, Gloria yesterfun and 58 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: excuse me, are you know? I'm so sorry? Did you 59 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: get the umbrellas? I never want to work with you again, 60 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: Marlina Dietrich said to me once, to you, what in hell? 61 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: Mr Dolsta, But do you feel that there's I mean, 62 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: I don't want to beat this to death, but it's 63 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: like the horse whisper. Are you the rock star whisper? 64 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: Do you know what to say to get them to 65 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: kind of calm down and get out there? And very 66 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: big part of what your job is every day. Even 67 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: this morning, I got to go off from a guy 68 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: and he's panicking, and I want to mention his name 69 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: is terrific guy. He's on a boat with his family. 70 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: What are we gonna do about poor Anka? I said, well, 71 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: I didn't book the show. A kid in my office did. 72 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna take care of it. Well, poorl Anka 73 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: wanted to not play because there's only two hundred seats sold. 74 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: What's earlier? You know, I've got a while and the 75 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: guy's getting a lot of money. And the guy says 76 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: to me, well, I can't pay him. He wanted fifty 77 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: thousand bucks not to play. I said, I've been in 78 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: your position before. I'm gonna try to straighten it out. 79 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: After I leave you, I'm gonna have to track down 80 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: the Asian for poor Anco or the manager and explain 81 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: to him we only sell a few amount of seats, 82 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: so how do we work it out. I'll give you 83 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: a date someplace else for that one. Please play the 84 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: show for fifty so we break even with two hundred 85 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: seats and I get pulling the other day. So you 86 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: have to be a diplomat where most people aren't this. 87 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: They don't know how enough. But after you learn this, 88 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: as you do in your cryft, how to make everybody happy, 89 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: sit down at the table. Not it's this way, we're 90 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: gonna bomb you. You're gonna see fire and fear. We're 91 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: gonna burn your house and your kids and the dog. 92 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: I don't do that. You can't do that. You grew 93 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: up in was in the cosmetics business. When did music 94 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: music enter your life? When did you sit Chuck Berry 95 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,119 Speaker 1: rock and roll, stuff like that, Let's pull and Mary 96 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: Ford Capitol Records on a purple label all day long. 97 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: They were amazing. I met lest Pall when it was ninety. 98 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 1: That was the first time he had over dubbing with 99 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: an echo the Count Basie band. I would go see 100 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: him at Birdland two dollars to go downstairs and sit 101 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: behind the piano. You sit there for two bucks. I 102 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 1: bring my friends. I pretend I was Sonata, I called 103 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: somebody else Dean and the other guy I was saying, 104 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: I mean it was sit there for two, three or 105 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: four sets, and uh I stepped tap Basie on the bags. 106 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: Mr Basie was like, I like to buy a drink. Okay, 107 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: what do you drink? Leaf? Brown oak? That cheap? And 108 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: later on when my I played him at a club 109 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: I had on forty forty four Street, which is the 110 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: Hudson Theater, which is down with famous theater. But that's 111 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: what Steve Allen did his first show. And I first 112 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,799 Speaker 1: band I ever put in there was the ba Yeah 113 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: for a year until I went bankrupt. I put him 114 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: and he came out in a wheel chair and played 115 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: the piano. I had. We called Mother's Day Dance. You 116 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: bring your mother for Mother's Day. Count Basie Band, the 117 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: original original band, the Count himself. I love him. I 118 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: got a big picture of him and my black and 119 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: white right. He was the greatest that bend These kids today. 120 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: If they heard this music, maybe we can turn them around. 121 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:52,679 Speaker 1: But they don't. They don't play it on the radio. 122 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: You gotta go on w B g oh out of 123 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: New York, New Jersey, and that's only and then they 124 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: don't want to hear it. My grandkids don't want to 125 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: hear this. They want to hear thump. There's no lyrics anymore. 126 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 1: When you finished high school, you get into the army. 127 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 1: I'll tell you about that. I was doing shows for 128 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: a City of Hope. My friend's father had died of cancer. 129 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: Robert answer them, and I got the guy would like me, 130 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: and I did benefits at his house. I was nineteens. 131 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: All my friends were like with sUAS, and I had 132 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: a lot of young girls, and my sister was beautiful. 133 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: And I called it the Junior Society in Manhattan. I 134 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: had a little club for you guys who want to 135 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: meet girls. So I'd read the Navarro Hotel is suite 136 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: and I get a Flamenco guitar play and I bring 137 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: in the booze. There twenty bucks for the guys and 138 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: they meet girls and ship like that. But I wasn't 139 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: making any money. I got, Holy Christ, they'd better come 140 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: up with something. And so I became a writer to 141 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: advertising agency. And you know, hey, mom, don't forget to 142 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: put a Macintosh apple into the kid's lunch today. You're 143 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: not kind of crap like that. Desn X bunions are 144 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: killing men X will kill at the guy jumps into pool, 145 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: he's got happy feet. He comes out he had desert 146 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: this definitely that. And I'm going uh talking to William B. 147 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: Williams because I had him MC some shows for cancer. 148 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: I said, Willie, I gotta get out of this thing. 149 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: Mitch Lee. He was doing some commercials for me. Mitch 150 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: Lee wrote, Man of La Mancha. When did the Army commit? 151 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: Army came in nineteen fifty nine. I was going to 152 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: be drafted. I go, wait a minute, I will join 153 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: the Army Reserve and go six years to a camp 154 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: camp drump. What is a mistake? They said, what did 155 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: you do in private life? Sir? I said, well, I 156 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: was working at agency once, I was a copywriter, and 157 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: then the last time I was working for Leader Brothers. 158 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: And they sent me out to do surveys about what 159 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: soap did they like and what's a good name for soap? 160 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: This one schmucky soap, this soap dove and they picked 161 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: out dove. So you like to do surveys. I turned 162 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: out to be a surveyor in a Howitzer unit. I'd 163 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: be running in this sixteen foot high grass in Oklahoma, 164 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: running out there with the scope. All right, so you're 165 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,839 Speaker 1: telling it's three hundred yards away to shot. Drop the 166 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: stake there, you got it with the plumb bob, put 167 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: it down here, I go, Okay, how long we in 168 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: the military? Live military? Six months? My unit was never 169 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: called up for six years, but I went to meetings 170 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: every week at Fort Totten, and then I went every 171 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,439 Speaker 1: year up to Camp Drum and we played soldier. But 172 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: I brought my own folding cot. I ain't really sleeping 173 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: with the ants biting me all night, but the howitzes 174 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: would go. If we're in a howitzer unit, Bang, my 175 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: bed jumped two ft off the ground. I hope we 176 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: never go to world. For six years, yeah, two weeks 177 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: every summer. One summer I got out of Barba Streisam 178 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: playing a show for Lyndon Johnson, Atlantic City. I said, 179 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: I need that I have to do this show to 180 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: get our guy. I loved it again. Under I got 181 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: a letter from a congressman from Illinois. So the sergeant 182 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: and my unit guls this guy is full of ship. 183 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: Because I had a senator write a letter on behalf 184 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party. This is important to America. I 185 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: got it out of that one summer, but the rest 186 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: I was there. The good thing about that you go 187 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: to the thousands of islands and they'd be hotels up there, 188 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: and you get a past Saturday night passed. So we 189 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 1: meet girls. I met a girl from Texas freckles dancing nice. 190 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: Are you as girl obsessed now as you were back then? 191 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: The girl today? When I was driving my tea Bird, 192 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: she waved, Hey, that's great. I should have stopped to say, 193 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: can I have your phone number? They like it when 194 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: you have a nice car. When I first my first 195 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: car was a Rolls because I borrowed my mothers and 196 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 1: fathers all the time until I was forty years old. 197 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: What model Roses sixty five plock Ward Milliner. I wish 198 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: it was a corn but it's beautiful. It's got the 199 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: picnic tables on the back, sand over Sable. I'll drive 200 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 1: it out. You'll like it's beautiful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I 201 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: took it to Lennox, mass once from my my daughter 202 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: was a camp and it made it up there, thank god. Now, 203 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: at what point does it transition to like the first 204 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: big show you do christ Big one was Ramsey Lewis trio. 205 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 1: We had the in Crowd down in crowd. It was 206 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: the number one hit. I called up the eight Talent Agency. 207 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 1: Was this Sky South? Safe? Was the Rims Lewis? He said, 208 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: a kid or I heard about you. You're doing something, 209 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: all right, I'll sell you Lewis. I sold the tickets 210 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 1: for six fifty, four fifty and two fifty where Carnegie Hall. 211 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: That was the big for me. Oh my god. My 212 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: wife designed the ad and I was so nervous. I said, 213 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: I just got married and I had no real job 214 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: before then except writing copy. And the father looked at 215 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: me and says, um, well, I was hoping for somebody. 216 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: But I said, believe me, I won't let you down. 217 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: You'll be proud of me. Of course, the first time 218 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: I met her, I went to the house. Lady came open, 219 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: the door was a maids cost them on. Took me 220 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: into the dining room. But all these plates on the table, 221 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: and all these lives and spoons which you leave from 222 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: the right. L left and he started talking. He said, 223 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: what what are you planning to do? I said, right now, 224 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 1: do you know the Pope is coming to America's coming 225 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: to New York and I got a great idea, we 226 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: sell popsicles. Oh no, that was the end of it, 227 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: you know, and my wife in the lip, and I 228 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: don't know it would make a fortune. In fact, I 229 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: did this when thea Toler was kicking. Our asked when 230 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter was in office, and I said, Hey, we're 231 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: gonna sell funk Ther Toler buttons at Chase Stadium. And 232 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: that's what we did to show our protests. So I 233 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: did things like this to get started. But right away 234 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: the first year, when I was married to my wife, 235 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: I was success sex. I convinced the parks department to 236 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: do shows in Santra the park ice skating rink for 237 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: dollar a ticket when no one else was there because 238 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: there was no ice skating in the summer Wenes concerts, 239 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: that's right. The first thing was I got rhinegold Beut 240 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: to be my sponsor. How did I get that because 241 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,439 Speaker 1: in my advertising days I was friendly with the account 242 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: executive at Doyle Dana Burnback who had Rhinold as a client. 243 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 1: And these guys said, go with it, will give you 244 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: thirty five thousand bucks a year and book your acts. 245 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: We were hit from day one. I took an ad 246 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: in the paper. The show sold out for a dollar 247 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: a ticket, and they lined up at the Corvettes. That's 248 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: where they sold as tickets. I made a deal with Corvettes. 249 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: I said, you want to have Affrick in your store, 250 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: put the record the problem on the second floor, so 251 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: they have to go through all the other places to 252 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: see to get up to maybe they'll buy something. It 253 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: got so big that I had to do second shows 254 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: at ten thirty at night. People around a neighborhood hated it. 255 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: But Polving said to me, this is what he said, effort. 256 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 1: He said, now you're doing the right thing. These kids, 257 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: these people who come here, their vacation is the fire escape. 258 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: They don't go to the ampers. It's just coming here. 259 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: And keep that up. And the lady who owned the 260 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: building with Nicky Mantle once I forget her name again, 261 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: she was wonderful cigarette smoking chick and wanted to throw 262 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: me out of the park. She invited me to a 263 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:37,599 Speaker 1: prominent come and have a press conference at my penthouse. 264 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: She was God to me. So Paul Simon showed up, 265 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: Patty LaBelle and the Blue Bells, and I brought in 266 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: Uh President Hallow. I forget the guy's tea very voice here. 267 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: This is good for my people. What are you doing here? 268 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: You're scrapping? When did you sit there and go, oh god, man, 269 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: this is it? I made it. I mean I'm in 270 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:57,559 Speaker 1: my daughter. Yeah, I had it. I had a lot 271 00:13:57,640 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: on it for about twenty five years because from out 272 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: I did the free shows in Center Park. So James 273 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: Taylor wanted to do a show there. I called the 274 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: park commission. He was all for the city, paid for 275 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: it when it let me have the cops for free 276 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: and the land for free. So how to get the money? 277 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: Make a T shirt, last show in the sheep meadow 278 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: and then more conscience on the sheet metal, which hurted me. 279 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: James Taylor. We sold him for thirty five bucks. That 280 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: was enough money to pay the stage and union. Everybody 281 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: else got no money, you know, our security, a bunch 282 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: of high school kids who paid Taylor. I think Pale 283 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: and Taylor might have done it for free. He wanted 284 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: to do a free show. But after that everybody got 285 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: paid for when Simon and Garfuncle they got paid of course, 286 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: and Lauren taped the show for me and Elton John Uh. 287 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: I think Elton did it for free to Uh, Carol 288 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: Kagan was there. It rained on her. That's another story. 289 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: Pink Floyd hadn't played in years. So I came up 290 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: with a genius idea which backfired. Get the blow up 291 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: pig that they have as to their logo and fly 292 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: it over Center Park and then we'll get on the 293 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: radio and say, hey, we tickets for Pink Floyd, but 294 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: you can't buy them unless you go to Central Park 295 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: and you'll get a coupon to buy them. There's no 296 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: box then you get the coupon. You ru into the 297 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: box office, but you gotta get a coupon. So I 298 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: had about ten of us with bags of coupons. The 299 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: announcements goes on radio, and these people they knocked me 300 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: on my ass. I fell that bang running. I threw 301 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: the tickets up in the air, ran front of life. 302 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: But of course they could sell it anything, and they 303 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: got the coupon of buy tickets. But these kind of 304 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: things they got the bigger and bigger and bigger. And 305 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: I said, one day they're going to rope off Delaware 306 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: and you can't get in this state unless you have 307 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: a ticket to see somebody. And it's gotten that way. 308 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: When you do a show We do a lot of 309 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: shows in City Feel a MetLife Taste Stadium or Yankee Stadium. 310 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: You're there watching the screen unless you're sitting in the 311 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: first rows. We'll have glasses, but no one seems to mind. 312 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: You know what it is. They're there, we were there. 313 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: The experience of being with that crowd is what's it about. 314 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: It's like a scene that want to want to be there. Absolutely, 315 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: I'm assuming there's more than one type of promoter, that 316 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: there's different people who handle the same show differently. What 317 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: type of promoter are you? Are they all the same 318 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: as I do? Is I'm at every show. If I 319 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: have a relationship with an act or if I would 320 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: like to have a relationship and I know them, I 321 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: make it a point to buy them something. I used 322 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: to buy gifts for everybody. Like with Billy Joe, you 323 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: know we were friends. Like one of my hot rod 324 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: ones red with the dice hanging from the thing, like 325 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: you traded in for a motorcycle, traded in your present. 326 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: I think I get, I get an Indian motorcycle. But 327 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: he was like he's the nicest. I mean, look he's 328 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: doing all these shows that they're going and he cuts 329 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: me in who's an act that you kind of were 330 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: fifty you didn't even really have any opinion of any 331 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: sense of who. You watched them live and you really 332 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: decided you liked them a lot of that that now 333 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: that I'm a big corporation, you know, I saw my 334 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: company in the stock Cold Live Nation. There's a lot 335 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: of these acts that I go to see because I 336 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: we know him that well. So I'd go down to 337 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: see him at the barrier or whatever. And I saw 338 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: Hosier from England, h Josie. I uh, this kids, tall, 339 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: good looking guy with the beard and the holy you 340 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: know I'm in So I called the Asian told me 341 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: to go Kirk Summons, who's a wonderful guy. And what 342 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: do you think, Kirk system, I think I want every day. 343 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: So you've got no no, You're gonna get your market 344 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: New York, New York, Dora. So I've been with them 345 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: for years. Another actors James Bay. I know his mother 346 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: and father. Now I had breakfast them in London and 347 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: they gave me their other son is called Alex Francis. 348 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: I got the CD for him. I'm booking him now, 349 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: the kid. And so I make friends with the families 350 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: and everything, But these acts surprised me so sex symbols, English, 351 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: gorgeous and nice. I take everyone out to Old Loomi's 352 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: bar after the show untill four in the morning. They 353 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: got the bus. They go in to Boston at four 354 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: in the morning, and I'm still closing a place with them. 355 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: That's what we do. And you hang with these guys, 356 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: but you hope that they man. But her uncle Ronnie 357 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: they call me, was there with us. And that's why 358 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: I do those little things that people don't go to 359 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: the extra mile. Now I'm forgetting about my family. You know, 360 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: I lost my daughter, but not the loser. But I 361 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: wasn't there for like I should have been like most people, 362 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 1: and my wife the same way. And you know, I'm 363 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: trying to catch up. It's very very hard. Who's the 364 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: rock star? They really impressed you with his business acumen. 365 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: He understood the business and the ticket sales and the marketing. 366 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: Who was sharp, boy, that's a great question. Well, you 367 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: don't get involved too much with the act. Sometimes I 368 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: do for right now, not too sharp With friends of mine. 369 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: I tell them sometimes, you know, I'm making enough money. 370 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: I tell them about the tickets. They should be hired. 371 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: But I don't want to get the Asian manager in trouble, 372 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: little fire up, so I have to be very careful 373 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: what I say. Jimmy Buff has a great setup. He's 374 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 1: got a lot of good people around him, and he 375 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: did they know about money, so he's sure. He says 376 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: all those other antillary businesses too. He's selling food and 377 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. He's got seeing your homes, he's 378 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: building villages for all. He's what about Jack or somebody 379 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: told me he's very business. Seven runs the whole show. 380 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: He knows about money. You give him five ten million, 381 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: it's not enough. Whatever I offered him two hundred million 382 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: for a few soars of the garden. When you kidding me, 383 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 1: you can make that in five shows. It's some ball 384 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: fielding progress. But Roger Water is just smart about the money. 385 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: He knows everything about that. He's very careful about it. 386 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: But he doesn't care what he spends. I'm putting the 387 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: show together. And they were always this way when he 388 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 1: was with Pink Floyd, that band. We don't okay, we 389 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: want to what did you give the Stones when they 390 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 1: were here? Uh? You has this little village of New 391 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: York City, and he had egg creams and an organ grinder. 392 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: All right, that's what I want. I want a pool table, 393 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: I want a golf driving range. I want thousand dollars 394 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 1: tens of bloga. So I go to Dave Gilmar said, Dave, 395 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: you guys are pisting away. It's not me, it's Roger. 396 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 1: It's okay, okay, what do you want? That's what it 397 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: is today. If I Ronny come over in the house, 398 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: will played car? I should we play Generalmy together? He says, 399 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: I got some CAB's the best, cat, best wine, always 400 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: the best with him New York's legendary concert promoter Ron Delsoner. 401 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 1: I'd always figured that Roger Waters Pink Floyd classic money, 402 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: those cash registers in the background and pans to caviare 403 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 1: were meant ironically, apparently not that. Ron Delsoner has produced 404 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: many a Billy Joel concert in his day. But if 405 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 1: you don't want to wait to buy a ticket, listen 406 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: to our here's the thing interview. He may fill Madison 407 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: Square are now. But when Billy made his first album, 408 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 1: nobody was paying very close attention. The album was mastered 409 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: at the wrong speed. So a song like this She's 410 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: got away about her, I don't know what it is, 411 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: but I know that I can't live with that played 412 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: like this, She's got away. I don't know what it is, 413 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: but I know that I can't live without that. Interview 414 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: and more at Here's the Thing, Dot Org. I'm Alec 415 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the Thing. My guest today. 416 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: Ron Delsoner is one of the most successful concert promoters 417 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: of all time. He's also in the Long Island Music 418 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame for his renovation of the Jones Beach Amphitheater. 419 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: He turned it into one of the most important venues 420 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: on the East Coast. And he's seen lots of concerts. 421 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: When you'd be there watching these shows, some of the 422 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: greatest acts that ever lived. Would you sit there and 423 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: go now, this guy is the greatest drummer, This girl 424 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: is the greatest singer. Janis Joplin. I've never seen anybody 425 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: worked that stage like her. Carol King when she first 426 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: sat down and had that multi billion dollar album that 427 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: she had with lou Ala, every song on that album 428 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: was akiller. She knocked him dead at the piano. Barbara 429 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: Streissan I played her in Central Park a free show 430 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty seven. Oh my god, videos of it 431 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 1: and at Farms still Senner Stadium too. Neil Diamond had 432 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: magic when he walked out on that stage. You know 433 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: it's that it's kind of special, right he pulled you 434 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: in dramatic lighting. I want to compare and contrast who 435 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: had the biggest entourage and who had the smallest entourage. 436 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: Who's somebody who came and he went, Oh my god, 437 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: it's like an army of people. While Molly, these guys 438 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: were heavy dealers from Jamaica and they'd be an address 439 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: room and they'd be smoking a spliff and I'll be 440 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: talking about Molly said, really, better take care of this 441 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: man here and give us some money. Give me some money. 442 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: I'm taking care Paul, not you. They're a pretty heavy guy. 443 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: So I didn't like that too much. And it doesn't 444 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: still go on smst entourage and was the least fuss. 445 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: Steely Dan's that way they walk in like, Okay, I 446 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: went to your house that time and Fagan was there. 447 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: Steely Dan is that kind of way. Uh. Paul Simon's 448 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: that one maintenance. Paul definitely pulls out These are at 449 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: the top of my head and even Roger Boys, most 450 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: of the acts I play, but Eric Clapton won't see 451 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: even me unless he wants it. I said, I don't 452 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: want to see it, called me if you want to 453 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: see me. Yeah, that he's low key. Ben Morrowson's low key. 454 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: I mean there's a tons of low key because they've 455 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: been they've been, they've been doing it for so long. 456 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: The newer acts, I mean, you probably can't get next 457 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: near Beyonce jay Z. They're great and I don't know 458 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: what they travel or not there they never try to 459 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: get that close and I respect the privacy, but back 460 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: and then most of all the English acts when they 461 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: first came over, we're easy to get to because their 462 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: drivers came to the parties after the show with giving 463 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: them a drugs. What's the driver doing the well he's 464 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: carrying for us? Uh, those days were great there, early 465 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: sixties and seventy one. Other thing I've noticed and I 466 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,239 Speaker 1: have this got this observation because of you. You got 467 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: me tickets to the twelve concert. I said to you, 468 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: I really want to say hi to Townsend and Adultry, 469 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 1: And so I meet those guys and I see to Adultry, 470 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: I say, do you guys have played Sally Simpson in 471 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: the morning? He was like, what And you can tell 472 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: they all of them have lost their hearing. You know, 473 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: Townsend has tided is really bad now the last fifteen years. 474 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: They all have these monitors they put in the areas 475 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: Rod Stewart and stuff that they don't blow their voice 476 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 1: out because they put them in so down they hear 477 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: themselves and they can talk and it goes out, lady, 478 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: So they don't most of the tone deaf, bad tendedis 479 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: this guy's out there azzy When people still go out there, 480 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: you see them get old, you see it. But the 481 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: thing is, none of them, this is my opinion. We 482 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: were talking about this before you can none of them 483 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: want to stop. They're not done. They're all said back 484 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: then when we get to be thirty, we're not gonna 485 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 1: do this anymore. Jagger said that now there was seventy five, 486 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: but what's his name, Charlie wats is seventy five, seventy six. 487 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: He may be close to my age. For Christ's sake, 488 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: you know he's up there, maybe eighty now. But they 489 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: still didn't want to stop. Look what I'm playing any 490 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: other night, I'm playing Jeff back with Paul Rogers. Listen. 491 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 1: The Heritage Acts is selling tickets though. People want to 492 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: see the heritage. People's kids now go Daddy that father says, 493 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: you gotta go see this act I did. That were 494 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 1: my grandkids. You gotta see Billy Joe, you gotta see 495 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: Paul McCarney. There's nobody like these guys. I did the 496 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: Beatles in nineteen six four. Now you travel the world, 497 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 1: but you were based out of New York. Is New 498 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: York still controlled by the Union or is it a 499 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: lot easier to do business now than it was forty 500 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: years ago? Because I feel like fourty years ago there 501 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 1: was like a few guys that ran the whole town. 502 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: It's still crazy, uh the Union. Now Local one is 503 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: the Claffy family and friendly with them because their dad 504 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: is still around. James sr. I was around, and James 505 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: Junior is the head of Local one. And Richie Claffy, 506 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: who was eight years old when he was running around 507 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: my stage in Central Parky. He's got a great job 508 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: with Jim Dolan runs the garden and we're all friends. 509 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: I take these guys there two Patsy's at least once 510 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: or twice a year. They're great guys. Will they help up? 511 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: But Uncle Ron and if something happened, yes, but I 512 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: keep that kind of quiet what I do with them 513 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: on the side because they don't do it for anybody else. 514 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: But if I ever needed something, they get there. So 515 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: I'm friendly with them. They almost liked that. My family 516 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: were very close with these guys. But then it was 517 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: tough way back when. I mean they people would pick 518 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 1: it and they would pick it, and I always let 519 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: him in. They were picking ing at them. They're picking 520 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: in to get union workers work in Hammerstein Ball. So 521 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: I went down there and they put on a hard 522 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: hat and I picketed with them to get union in there. 523 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: Because I had union of my venues, I always hired him. 524 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: I said, look at I can't give you that stupid money, 525 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: and don't pilot on me. Even with the Long Showman union, 526 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: I made a deal with them. I had this show 527 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: Peer Peer eighty four, which was appeared that the Long 528 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: Showman control that. I didn't really know that until I said, hey, 529 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: we've got to help you here. I don't need any help. 530 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: I'll tell you about that later when the guy dies 531 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: he's still alive. I knew they were terrific to me. 532 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: I have no comments. A lot of the guys there 533 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: would connected. Who cares? So? When did the idea for 534 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: Jones Beach hit here? There was an article in the 535 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: Daily News and Frank Barcelona sould rest the PC was 536 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: had a premiere talent. He had only English acts. He 537 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,359 Speaker 1: had who he had clapped, No, he had everybody. He said, Ronnie, 538 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 1: you better go bit on this. It looks like the 539 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: Shoeberts are gonna go after it. The New Atlanta's you 540 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: should be there. So I bit on it, and I 541 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 1: want over all those other guys. I took my head, 542 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: salt egg salent sandwich would be and we had time. 543 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: I everybody voted for me, excepted coming to New York. 544 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,120 Speaker 1: He didn't. He wanted he wanted the radio city guys 545 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: in it. And after a while we became friends. He said, 546 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: I should have voted for you. It was ten to one. 547 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: I one ten to one. I said, I'll give you 548 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars a show on a hundred thousand dollar 549 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: gavranteed the first year perfect. No one else would guarantee 550 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: that my wife and I go to the Jones Beach concert. 551 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: A while back to cross by Stows, Nation Young, it 552 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: was kind of a warm night, a little balming you know, 553 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: the sun's just going down, it's just getting dark. And 554 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: as soon as the lights went out, I mean I'm 555 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: not exaggera as soon as the lights, like it went 556 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: off like an air bag, with the velocity of an 557 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: air bag. The entire breadth of where we were seating. 558 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: You saw a cloud of dope smoke go all over 559 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: the room. Everybody lit had joined. It was like it 560 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: was like five hundred people that had joined the same instant, 561 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: and the and and the dope smoke went up in 562 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: the air like it was part of the show. I 563 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: looked to my wife and I went, oh my god, 564 00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: I can't even breathe. You know, we and we got 565 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: a little high, you know, like like being there. But 566 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: who is somebody? When you look back, you wish man? 567 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: I wish I had promoted that person, done shows well, 568 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: played him many many times. Whatever was scared ship to 569 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: talk to the girls. I played sucted for us still. 570 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: I played him every summer at the Garden State arm Center. 571 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: But I didn't want to have I don't have a 572 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: picture with him. I could have done it easy. He 573 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: was the manager. The manager ran knew and he don't 574 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: want to get out of anyway. I got to talk 575 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: to him like, hey, right, what the hell are you 576 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: doing this for? He has respect for people to talk. 577 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: I always have this funny egotistical thing where I think 578 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: I could have been friends with Sinatra because I would 579 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: have given it back to him. You don't want You're 580 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: the best. I love you, Frankie. You want that ship 581 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: if you're going. Because I talked to everybody, I tell him. 582 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: He looked like, what, I don't care? Who did all 583 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: they go? You know who I'm talking to. Yeah, I 584 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: know you're the president. I don't care. But that's what 585 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: you have to do with him. He respects that. If 586 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: I made a movie out of your life and you 587 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: wind us, that'd be a cool movie. You know, the 588 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: movie out of your life and I had somebody play 589 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: you in a movie. I know it will be who 590 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: would play Robert Downey Jr. That's who you want? Yeah, 591 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: maybe what would work. It's a good idea. That's a 592 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: very good idea. I may run into him in the 593 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: next couple but I tell him. I tell him all 594 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: the sick things we used to do, and you, I 595 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: mean put it in there. I love my wife. I 596 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: gotta wait till I do this, and we want to 597 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: say it's about you. It's an amalgam. Know he would 598 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: be he would be great. Put it together, will make 599 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: a ship. But but in my movie, this kid from 600 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: the Storia becomes the big shot concert promoter of his generation. 601 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: And your name is Delsoner is synonymous with big events music, 602 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: live music. It's Bill Graham and you that's it. There's 603 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: other name but not you know, Cedric Kushner, And he's 604 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: right nothing wrestling. The only reason he got a couple 605 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: of shows I flipping back is from South Africa. He 606 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: offered them five. He had an in with the guy. Wait, 607 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: come on, I didn't go to his funeral. He's a loser. 608 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: Come on, he's a wrestling process. So well, well let's 609 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: leave the wrestler out of it. But in my movie, 610 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: the kid from Historia is leaning against the ropes in 611 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: the wings of the theater. I like that really sentimental, 612 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: you know, And he's leaning against the ropes. He's sitting 613 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: there going, man, this is this is the life. And 614 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: someone's on stage performing who you just melt? You? Just like? Who? 615 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: Who's the star? Who are we gonna? Who makes you melt? 616 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: Come on? Music? That just give you one? But I'll 617 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: give you one. David fucking boat Jack. Okay, well it 618 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: was amazing. What did a performer? He was an artist. 619 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: He was a performer. And Jagger comes from the same 620 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,479 Speaker 1: school constulers dresses, the way they did that the whole thing. 621 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: Those guys were great. You can't now you can't go 622 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: to groups. I mean just of course you picked them out. 623 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: It's the who stones those guys like clapped. But there's others. 624 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: Charles as Nevor when he came out with the hand 625 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: movements in the black and white suit, he and b 626 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: f together. They would love us. At ninety three, was 627 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: still friends. I always played him at Carnegie Hall. I 628 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: love these French artists, these old time as Charles trene 629 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: and people like this. Remember that Beyond Somewhere you got 630 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: it Beyond that was written by Charles Treney. Everybody would cords, 631 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:37,239 Speaker 1: everybody Charles Treney. He was a great performance. And when 632 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: Neil Diamond first came out with the lighting at the 633 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: Winter Garden Theater, wicked with the hair and to I 634 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: just kind of he was magnetic. Uh who today comes 635 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: out like that? Oh God, that's tough to do. When 636 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: a drums start in the quiet sator was incredible. I 637 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: honest last show at the Copra Cabana when he was 638 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: the Man with the Golden Arm at two o'clock in 639 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: the morning. In the audience is Edward g. Robinson a 640 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: few others, and I'm sitting right behind the band and 641 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: the culprit to put a table out of the pact 642 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: comes out of black shirt, black suit, black tie, and 643 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 1: the theme is that the Dada the Man with the 644 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: Golden I'm saying because the movie was hot that night 645 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: was magnetic. You see what the same repernee and the 646 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: smoke going up here, you see stuff like that. So 647 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: the song We're gonna go out with beyond the scene? 648 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: Who's Who? Whose version you like? Bobby? I played Barby Darren. 649 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: That joke appear. Wait a minute, it's like a tinball 650 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: machine wherever we go take. I booked him. I booked him. 651 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: Wait when his kid was on the stage watching in 652 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: the wings bo Babe Ruth, he was signing autograph al 653 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: Josh Kake to my house. He had, So here's this 654 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: story waiting. But Bobby Darren played the Shape of Music Festival, 655 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: was a rival for a dollar a ticket in Central 656 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: Park and he was great. You see he also did 657 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: that song about the carpenter, a folk song. He did that. 658 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: It was hot at the time. He tried to be hip, 659 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: you know. Besides, it's not the ship he did, you 660 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: got it. He did that. He had a heart problem 661 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: he should have cured by then. Give him a new 662 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: fucking heart because he was Sinatra for young people. He 663 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: was great. Frank probably didn't like him, but he was 664 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,839 Speaker 1: fucking great and he was magnetic, so he was great. 665 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: You ever see Jimmy Roselli thing. I played him so 666 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: many franking times. He wear a girdle here, don't address 667 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: him him. He's putting the girdle on. I'm playing at 668 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: the Palace day. That was pasquality Caputo pat Pat, that's 669 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: Pasqually Caputo pat. He's opening Shimmy fose Elliot at the 670 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 1: Palace and Jimmy's you got the dead Presidents. He wants 671 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: to see the green, you know, the cash. And he 672 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: was great. And by the way he was out, he 673 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 1: was never going to be played aga because Sonatra said 674 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: he's adam that uh gus fans At was gonna make 675 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: a movie with Travolta called The Man who Made the 676 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: Mob Cry, And it was all about how Sinatras. People 677 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 1: killed Rosellie's career because he was as good, if not better, 678 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 1: But he wouldn't play his mother. Frank's mother, Dolly, wanted 679 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: him to play the birthday party in Frank GOLs James, 680 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,879 Speaker 1: I don't do that. He wanted to get paid. Frank 681 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: didn't want to pay him. He goes, I don't do that. 682 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: That's why he was bats it nowhere anymore. He played 683 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 1: Jersey Atlantic City for the rest of his life. And 684 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: I saw him later on in life and he still 685 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: had the course at all, you know, like this, but 686 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 1: he was great. He had the best voice I've ever heard. 687 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 1: And all the women, no no, no, Dudue Feminale, you 688 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: paid the rails all the time they played Jimmy Rosellie. Now, 689 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,800 Speaker 1: all the women in your life, women you dated, your wife, 690 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: anybody you know, people women who worked for you. Rock 691 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: and roll is obviously a business with like a hyper 692 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: sexuality to it. Who was the sexiest rock star? Who 693 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 1: was some what do you mean? The guy would show 694 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: up and people were just throwing them something guys. David 695 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 1: Cassidy put a bit of trunk of my car to 696 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 1: get about a national car seem in the trunk of 697 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: my car dropping it to my house and wants Stampton 698 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: to get out. It's okay. They were following him all 699 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: around a place. He was incredible stuff. He just died 700 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: like he once played Jones Beach a few years ago. 701 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:23,240 Speaker 1: He had no money to take a taxi back to Manhattan. 702 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: I said, I'll get you a limo. This is how 703 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: bad it was for these guys about who's the sexiest woman. 704 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: I gotta think who was sexy? Peggy Lee was the nicest, too, 705 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 1: sexy and classy. Was doing a show with her at 706 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,479 Speaker 1: the Woman I Skating Rank. He says, where's the food? 707 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: I said, my sponsors chafe of beer. You got a 708 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 1: case of beer in the dress room. No, no, I 709 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 1: got an orchestra here. Send somebody out of his two 710 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: hundred bucks to this place. Was famous on a good 711 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: in Times Square to get hot dogs for everybody in 712 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: the band. She was great. And I want to go 713 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 1: to in too much details about drugs in your business. 714 00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 1: But my friend takes me to a concert as the 715 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: famous metal band, a big hair band, and we're standing 716 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: there talking and then shows about the start and you 717 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:13,799 Speaker 1: here in the stars dressing me here then here, yeah, 718 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 1: definitely yeah, here Wow, the voice just clicks in. Man, 719 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 1: it's all there. He does two big rails and he's ready. 720 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: The door opens, he throws the scar friends like he's like, no, 721 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,240 Speaker 1: let's go, and he's ready to go. Is that your business? 722 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 1: Is that a part of your business? They got to 723 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,720 Speaker 1: get their motivation right. There should go a couple of people. 724 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:37,359 Speaker 1: Once in a while. I would say, hey, I gotta 725 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 1: be dust me up, dust me up, man, and I go, 726 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: what do you want? I mean Jimmy Smith the organ 727 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: play I was playing to show with him, and I 728 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 1: go in later on in life, Hey man, you got 729 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: any coke? Jimmy? That was twenty years ago. He was bad, 730 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: But I don't see that anymore. Sexy women, I gotta 731 00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: think a sexy woman. I mean, I love my wife, 732 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: but who's sexy? Was a chick? I gotta think about 733 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 1: that Stay Nicks, Carly Simon, Yeah, she was hot, long 734 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:13,400 Speaker 1: legs and all that kind of grace. Like, I gotta 735 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: I gotta think of off camera here, we'll talk about 736 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 1: who it is. I gotta figure it out. Was this 737 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,840 Speaker 1: is some new chicks today? Jeanelle Money is supposed to 738 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,560 Speaker 1: be pretty safe. I guess the sixtiest woman today's Beyonce. Well, 739 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,359 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Christy Turlington a people that came 740 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,359 Speaker 1: and sat in the front row. Maybe she can't say 741 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: back when and then when you were twelve years old, 742 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: it was like I was the Kitzble brother. Billy's mother 743 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 1: in law, Michelle Phillips, there's one of those gorgeous gorgeous 744 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: what was the name of the bandmas loud reside on 745 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: that money. My brother is married to her daughter, China, 746 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,320 Speaker 1: and China's daughter, Brooke is a carbon copy of Michelle. 747 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: Scary looks exactly Michelle. Alright, let's let's see. So when 748 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,680 Speaker 1: we go out, we'll go out with beyond the seat. 749 00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: But I want to say thank you for doing this. 750 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: Thank you you are you are the man, and you're 751 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,319 Speaker 1: still doing so were you you still doing the ship. 752 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 1: We're gonna do this. That's what we do. We get 753 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 1: up in the morning and that's what we do. I 754 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 1: tell my wife that it's a fortunate that my wife 755 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,840 Speaker 1: now it doesn't have we don't have the relationship. I 756 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: feel it. It's really terrible for me to feel that way, 757 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: but I love it like crazy. She loves me. It 758 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:25,959 Speaker 1: ruins lives. But you know, when the business came first, 759 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: exactly like Kauzan said in that movie Got, that was 760 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 1: our job. We were told to do that. We didn't 761 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 1: ask questions. Ron Delsoner, as he and I discussed, we're 762 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 1: going to take the show out on Bobby Darren's Beyond 763 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 1: the Scene. But Ron wanted to pay tribute to the 764 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,759 Speaker 1: song's writer too, so we'll start with the version by 765 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: Charles Trene. The song and the chords are the same, 766 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 1: but listen to the melancholy tinge strings and harp instead 767 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 1: of brass percussion. Oh, when Auntie alone, They're gonna be 768 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 1: playt Plame London, the A, finish your home Love. I 769 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 1: know beyond a doubt, my heart will lead me there 770 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:49,320 Speaker 1: to We'll meet that no will meet now I'm the shot. 771 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: We'll kiss just as before, Happy will be beyond the 772 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: sea never again. That one verse is the only thing 773 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,800 Speaker 1: that makes it a love song. Will kiss just as before, 774 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,400 Speaker 1: and never again, I'll go sailing. That's missing in Trene's original. 775 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,000 Speaker 1: It's just the singer and the song. I wonder which 776 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: one Ron prefers. Ron Delsoner, the man who promoted the 777 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 1: rock acts that you love, and your children love, and 778 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 1: your grandchildren love This is Alec Baldwin and you're listening 779 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:40,880 Speaker 1: to Here's the Thing, Hell the play play