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Speaker 2: From LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts, this is Let's Talk Offline.
Speaker 2: I'm Giana Prudenti.
Speaker 3: And I'm Jamaie Jackson Gadsden.
Speaker 4: First of all, Happy New Year, y'all.
Speaker 5: Yay.
Speaker 3: We are still sharing some of our favorite episodes from
Speaker 3: other shows in the LinkedIn podcast network.
Speaker 2: Yes, and because we're heading into a new year, we
Speaker 2: know some of our work besties might be thinking about
Speaker 2: reinventing their careers, so we're sharing an episode from Hello Monday,
Speaker 2: LinkedIn's Jesse Hemple Chatawick Peloton's Robin Arzon about professional pivots.
Speaker 3: We really loved this episode because as someone who's shifted
Speaker 3: careers a few times herself, Robin's story is really inspiring
Speaker 3: for anyone who might be thinking about pursuing a different profession.
Speaker 3: I mean, she went from being a corporate lawyer to
Speaker 3: a fitness expert, oh goals. Her story goes to show
Speaker 3: that our careers are not linear and we can really
Speaker 3: grow in the most unexpected ways. So we hope you
Speaker 3: enjoy this conversation from Hello Monday.
Speaker 1: From the news team at LinkedIn. I'm Jesse Hemple and
Speaker 1: this is Hello Monday, our show about the changing nature
Speaker 1: of work and how that work is changing us. Even
Speaker 1: if you know exactly what you want to do right
Speaker 1: from the start, there often comes a point in your
Speaker 1: career where it's time to reevaluate. Things change, you change.
Speaker 1: Say you chose law and suddenly you're north of thirty
Speaker 1: with an expensive degree and a big career, and you
Speaker 1: realize you just don't want to do it. How do
Speaker 1: you screw up the courage to leave the safety and
Speaker 1: security of the subject you've mastered and start a new career.
Speaker 1: Today's guest has some advice.
Speaker 4: Say yes before you think you're ready. I see so
Speaker 4: many folks hesitant to throw their hands up to say hell, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do that thing, simply because they haven't trained,
Speaker 4: or they haven't read about this or that. It's like,
Speaker 4: figure it out along the way.
Speaker 1: You might recognize that voice. You might even work out
Speaker 1: with her. That's Robin rs On. She's in charge of
Speaker 1: fitness programming for Peloton. Everything she says in her workouts
Speaker 1: sounds a bit like that. To hear Robin today, you
Speaker 1: might think she was always an athlete. In fact, she
Speaker 1: didn't go for her first run until she was in
Speaker 1: her twenties. As a kid, Robin was absolutely passionate about
Speaker 1: the law, so much so that she became a lawyer,
Speaker 1: and she really loved it for a while. But eight
Speaker 1: years in, right around the time that a lot of
Speaker 1: people go for partner, Robin decided it was time to
Speaker 1: go for something else.
Speaker 4: She left law for.
Speaker 1: A career in fitness. Robin's career story mirrors her approach
Speaker 1: to competition. Her dramatic shift looks like a big win
Speaker 1: in hindsight, and it is. She's having an incredible run
Speaker 1: at Peloton, but justice with her marathons or in Robin's case,
Speaker 1: ultra marathons, Robin prepared for this shift. She trained, She
Speaker 1: decided when to hang back and say no to mediocre
Speaker 1: opportunities and when to go all out. And most important,
Speaker 1: she told herself every day that of course she could
Speaker 1: do it. She knows you can too. Here's Robin.
Speaker 4: I wanted to be an attorney since I was ten
Speaker 4: years old. My father was an attorney and he was
Speaker 4: also a law professor of teaching real estate. So I,
Speaker 4: you know, sat at top blue books when I was
Speaker 4: you know, four and five years old for the old
Speaker 4: school lawyers in the house who actually wrote in blue books.
Speaker 4: So I had this enchanted idea that I would arm
Speaker 4: myself with law and you know, go into these these
Speaker 4: battles fuelled with justice, and some of that I did do,
Speaker 4: but you know, the actuality was different than the vision.
Speaker 1: Well, so you you spent a while practicing law, what
Speaker 1: was it eight years?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was a rise seventh year when I when
Speaker 4: I left my law firm.
Speaker 1: So maybe it could tell us a little bit about
Speaker 1: what you liked and what maybe you liked a little
Speaker 1: bit less during that time.
Speaker 4: Well, I find for ambitious people, we can it's actually
Speaker 4: pretty easy to find an intellectual pursuit that we find interesting,
Speaker 4: even if the subject matter is dry. So I was
Speaker 4: a corporate litigator. I worked with a lot of sec stuff.
Speaker 4: This is at the height of subprime so it was
Speaker 4: a very tense time in the market, and I was
Speaker 4: able to focus and adapt and just dig in. And
Speaker 4: I think intellectual folks often find that it's it's maybe
Speaker 4: not easy, but it's simple to just dig in. But
Speaker 4: that doesn't mean that it's actually aligning with our with
Speaker 4: our values, with our goals, and with a happiness quotient.
Speaker 4: That is something that I discovered when I was leading
Speaker 4: a divorce existence between athletics and law. So what I
Speaker 4: liked about law, I worked with brilliant partners. I learned
Speaker 4: about business. I think through OSMO, I would not have
Speaker 4: viewed fitness as a business and myself frankly as a brand,
Speaker 4: as a burgeoning brand then had I not worked in
Speaker 4: corporate litigation. But I also knew that there was something
Speaker 4: palpably missing when I would count down the hours in
Speaker 4: my day until I could go for a thirty minute
Speaker 4: run in such a park, so that divorced existence was
Speaker 4: not satisfying.
Speaker 1: And that running piece. I was surprised to discover that
Speaker 1: you actually hadn't grown up. If you had loved law
Speaker 1: at ten, you did not love running at ten.
Speaker 4: Right, No, I was allergic to exercise actually into adulthood.
Speaker 4: I was the arts and crafts and straight a student.
Speaker 4: I did not identify as an athlete. I was petrified
Speaker 4: of gym class. I actually was made fun of for
Speaker 4: the way I ran when I was a kid. So
Speaker 4: I think that that stuck in my brain early as
Speaker 4: something that I didn't do, and I had to really
Speaker 4: recreate myself and start to write a different story. Once
Speaker 4: I realized that I was curious about what this running
Speaker 4: thing was.
Speaker 1: How did you come to running?
Speaker 4: Frankly, it was really through trauma. I was in law school,
Speaker 4: and the prior year, in my senior year at NYU,
Speaker 4: I was held at gunpoint in New York City, and
Speaker 4: that experience understandably stayed with me. A year later, when
Speaker 4: I was in law school, I realized, Wow, I guess
Speaker 4: I didn't really deal with as much of this as
Speaker 4: I thought I had, And I have no idea why,
Speaker 4: but I was drawn to a pair of shoes that
Speaker 4: were in the back of my closet collecting dust, and
Speaker 4: I decided to jog to class one day instead of
Speaker 4: you know, drive the mile and a half and that
Speaker 4: is where that was really where my journey started.
Speaker 1: Wow, And from a mile and a half, you've moved
Speaker 1: on to fifty miles.
Speaker 4: In a pub yes, ultra marathon territory.
Speaker 1: So during your the remainder of your path through school
Speaker 1: and during the beginning years of your law practice, fitness
Speaker 1: was increasingly important to you. When and how did the
Speaker 1: way that you feel about it really start to change?
Speaker 4: It was a slow burn, I would say, because they
Speaker 4: ran in parallel tracks, you know, up unintended where I
Speaker 4: really was still at the ncency of my law career
Speaker 4: and feeling like, what's more. And while I was falling
Speaker 4: in love with running, I was also getting curious about
Speaker 4: what's it like to be in house, what's it like
Speaker 4: to practice different areas of law? You know, I dabbled
Speaker 4: in trademarks, I had IP stuff, so I was still
Speaker 4: kind of just trying to see if I could make
Speaker 4: the passion I found in the run something that I
Speaker 4: could find in my day to day law practice. And
Speaker 4: because I was so new, having practiced only a few years,
Speaker 4: I thought, there's got to be something out there that
Speaker 4: I haven't considered. And it was in that search actually
Speaker 4: that I started to realize if I uncheck all the
Speaker 4: boxes of what folks say you could do in journalism
Speaker 4: or using the written word or storytelling within wellness, which
Speaker 4: is really where my mind was going. I thought, maybe
Speaker 4: I can create a career that hasn't really happened before.
Speaker 1: As you lay out your law career, and I think
Speaker 1: this is true about firm law in some ways, the
Speaker 1: path is very set, it's very linear. You have a
Speaker 1: good sense of what it looks like, and there's something
Speaker 1: very safe to that. And when you choose instead to
Speaker 1: take all of the tools, all of the years of school,
Speaker 1: in some cases years of student debt, and aim it
Speaker 1: towards a thing that you can't name yet. Well, that's
Speaker 1: got to take a level of bravery, and I'm just
Speaker 1: curious how you thought about it.
Speaker 4: At the time, it did feel brave, but maybe not
Speaker 4: as brave as I realize it was in retrospect. I
Speaker 4: bet on myself and I still believe that I'm my
Speaker 4: greatest investment. I had to assess my worth and then
Speaker 4: add a little tax, and then I had to have
Speaker 4: an honest conversation of what I didn't know and what
Speaker 4: gaps I needed to fill. And I wasn't unknown in
Speaker 4: the marketplace, certainly in wellness, and I had to acknowledge
Speaker 4: that I had to say no quite a few times
Speaker 4: to offer as I didn't think were of my value
Speaker 4: and continue to bet on myself until I got the
Speaker 4: right yeses. And that balancing act for about eighteen months
Speaker 4: before I found Peloton was really really challenging, because every
Speaker 4: time you say no and you have a red check,
Speaker 4: do you feel like you might be at the end
Speaker 4: of the line.
Speaker 1: I love that idea of saying no, like you're moving
Speaker 1: away from the thing that you have known, you're moving
Speaker 1: towards something new. Talk a little bit about figuring out
Speaker 1: what to say yes to and when.
Speaker 4: I'm a big fan of both journaling and vision boards,
Speaker 4: I think they get us in alignment with what the
Speaker 4: heck we want, and if we can provide some specificity,
Speaker 4: either visually or in the written word, that actually goes
Speaker 4: a long way. So what feels like an arts and
Speaker 4: crafts exercise of cutting out things and magazines might feel
Speaker 4: futile or juvenile, but it actually for me illustrated very
Speaker 4: clearly that I wanted to somehow marry the business acumen
Speaker 4: that I had acquired as a lawyer with something that
Speaker 4: was forward thinking and modern, marrying technology and entertainment, and
Speaker 4: I wanted to insert myself in that story, not telling
Speaker 4: other people's stories, but telling my own. It was because
Speaker 4: I was able to identify that as sort of objectives
Speaker 4: and values that mattered to me that I was able
Speaker 4: to see a blurb of Peloton. I don't even think
Speaker 4: it's more than one hundred words about Peloton and Peloton
Speaker 4: CEO Don Foley, that I was able to identify that
Speaker 4: as the shiny thing that I wanted, and I put myself,
Speaker 4: you know, directly in its path. I literally cold emailed
Speaker 4: the company and I said we need to work together,
Speaker 4: and I was hired I think forty eight hours later.
Speaker 4: So but if I would have just summed right through
Speaker 4: the magazine, if I hadn't identified that in myself in
Speaker 4: what I wanted my goals to be. So I think
Speaker 4: the process really it really starts inward.
Speaker 1: Do you still do that? Is, do you journal consistency?
Speaker 4: Yes, there are a lot of theories and ways to
Speaker 4: navigate goal setting, and you know with acronym smart goals
Speaker 4: all that, I totally agree with it. But for me,
Speaker 4: it's just a quarterly seasonal gut check of like what
Speaker 4: am I doing? Where am I going? Have I been
Speaker 4: uncomfortable enough recently? And if the answer is no, I'm
Speaker 4: not on the right path.
Speaker 1: How do you continue to remain uncomfortable?
Speaker 4: Oh? I love it. I revered discomfort. As an athlete,
Speaker 4: it's actually a pretty easy thing to identify with because
Speaker 4: when you're in the middle of a sprint, or you're
Speaker 4: at the end of a long run, or when you
Speaker 4: picked up the heavier weight that day, you're very uncomfortable,
Speaker 4: and in the moment, you don't love it, but you
Speaker 4: learn to love the feeling, the after feeling. So when
Speaker 4: you extrapolate that to other areas of your life, it
Speaker 4: still rings true.
Speaker 1: When did the idea of athlete become central to your identity.
Speaker 4: Increasingly as I was a lawyer. I mean, you don't.
Speaker 4: You don't cross a marathon finish line and not adopt
Speaker 4: some kind of moniker that honors that accomplishment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's true. Tell me about running your
Speaker 1: first marathon.
Speaker 4: I ran it. It was New York City Marathon in
Speaker 4: twenty ten.
Speaker 1: That was your first one, the New York City Marie, New.
Speaker 4: York City, where I thought it was my first crossing
Speaker 4: that finish line in Social Park. It did change me.
Speaker 4: And I was still a lawyer, and I was still
Speaker 4: in the throes of my low career and really trying
Speaker 4: to get on that partner track. And it planted a seed.
Speaker 4: It planted a seed of curiosity, and I was not
Speaker 4: able to ignore it.
Speaker 1: There's this thing that I have heard you say in
Speaker 1: a couple of your workouts. Now maybe you say in
Speaker 1: everyone where you remind us as we're running that relaxing
Speaker 1: in the stride is a key to efficiency. The efficiency
Speaker 1: of the run, I'm getting it wrong. Do you know
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about? Yeah, better than I do.
Speaker 4: A relaxed runner is an efficient runner.
Speaker 1: I listened to that and it totally speaks to me
Speaker 1: because I'm like, Oh, that's not about running, that's about
Speaker 1: everything else. And I'm curious if that is what fitness
Speaker 1: feels like to you.
Speaker 4: In every area of our lives, we're doing this delicate
Speaker 4: dance between tension and resistance that often creates momentum and
Speaker 4: release from that tension so we can actually get things done. Right. So,
Speaker 4: if you're constantly tensed, that actually isn't a state of
Speaker 4: being that is effective. But when we do that delicate
Speaker 4: dance between that forward momentum which requires discomfort and resistance
Speaker 4: and the release of it, I mean that is literally
Speaker 4: the contract and relax of a muscle. And frankly, I
Speaker 4: do believe that willpower is a muscle. I believe that resiliency,
Speaker 4: you know, is like a muscle. The more that we
Speaker 4: visit those opportunities, the greater prepared we are for the
Speaker 4: next one. We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: Stick around. So how did you get the peloton job?
Speaker 1: You said it took about forty eight hours after a
Speaker 1: cold email.
Speaker 4: I sent an email to the company after I read
Speaker 4: about Platon as a blurb in a magazine, and I
Speaker 4: just knew that that was it for me. I had
Speaker 4: this gut feeling that I was going to work for them,
Speaker 4: And I was the third instructor hired, and I was
Speaker 4: hired a few months before we opened our original New
Speaker 4: York City studio, And I guess the rest is kind
Speaker 4: of history.
Speaker 1: How central is intuition to the way that you make
Speaker 1: your choices about your career?
Speaker 4: Hugely? I agree that we should be prepared and we
Speaker 4: should be educated, But are you acting it out or
Speaker 4: are you figuring it out like? Just act it like
Speaker 4: just start? So I do believe that my intuition, through
Speaker 4: practices like listening to my own internal conversation on runs,
Speaker 4: actually informs what I do greatly. I don't always need
Speaker 4: to consult with a loved one or someone I respect
Speaker 4: to make a decision. In fact, I often don't. I
Speaker 4: think I am my own best advocate.
Speaker 1: Well, it seems like one of the things that you
Speaker 1: advocate four in your work is helping people the better
Speaker 1: listen to themselves. Again, you cloak it under the umbrella
Speaker 1: of fitness. When people are running with you. You know,
Speaker 1: you think you're working on your physical body, but so
Speaker 1: much of the message that you seem to bring to
Speaker 1: the people that you're working out with is like, make
Speaker 1: space and make time to hear yourself and trust yourself.
Speaker 1: How do you learn that?
Speaker 4: I have to credit marathons training for that, honestly. I mean,
Speaker 4: you don't log thousands of miles and without developing a
Speaker 4: trust for your abilities and your inner conversation. And that
Speaker 4: is the beauty I think of endurance training is that
Speaker 4: when you're out there for a few hours, you've got
Speaker 4: to confront yourself. When I ran five marathons in five
Speaker 4: days across Utah to raise money for MS research, I
Speaker 4: actually did the majority of those marathons without any podcasts
Speaker 4: or audiobooks or music, And that was part of the
Speaker 4: right of passage for me, was to say, Okay, you've
Speaker 4: reached this place in your running journey, can you actually
Speaker 4: do it just out there with yourself on the road
Speaker 4: in the mountains and deserving the beauty of Utah, Which
Speaker 4: was definitely a challenge, but I'm better for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the next challenge?
Speaker 4: Then? I really fell in love with barbell training in
Speaker 4: the past year. So that was an interesting pivot for
Speaker 4: me that I still run five days a week, but
Speaker 4: marrying that with the trepidation I first felt. You know,
Speaker 4: putting a barbell over my head was a different kind
Speaker 4: of fear, and I thought, ooh, that must be my
Speaker 4: next challenge because I was no longer fearing the run
Speaker 4: and healthy fear. So yeah, now I fear the barbell.
Speaker 1: What have you learned about working at Peloton that you
Speaker 1: might not have been able to learn in the same
Speaker 1: way at corporate law form.
Speaker 4: I have learned so much about business working cross functionally
Speaker 4: with our teams at Peloton, because we're not just a
Speaker 4: connected fitness company. In many ways, we're a media company.
Speaker 4: We're of course a hardware company. We're in the inspiration
Speaker 4: business right from the instructor perspective. I am the head
Speaker 4: instructor Peloton, and we have folks internationally now and.
Speaker 6: Seeing how folks are able to bring a genuine, voracious
Speaker 6: passion for movement but then also marry it with all
Speaker 6: of the things that make a media company a media
Speaker 6: company and a network and network and.
Speaker 4: A business of business. Yeah, it makes me really proud
Speaker 4: to wear a pee on my chest because we are
Speaker 4: often wearing many hats.
Speaker 1: So is there any skill set that is the lead
Speaker 1: skill set, the most important skill set among them.
Speaker 4: I'm hesitant to say it, but this is the real answer.
Speaker 4: It is the authenticity of wanting to do this work.
Speaker 4: Because authenticity now feels like a buzzword in marketing, but
Speaker 4: you know it when you see it, and so does
Speaker 4: the consumer. Over thousands of hours of sweating with someone,
Speaker 4: you really know who they are. And that is what
Speaker 4: we have on earth in the folks who have ultimately
Speaker 4: joined the team, is that there is a First of all,
Speaker 4: it's an eye towards a long term partnership with the company.
Speaker 4: And second, there is a true authenticity and a passion
Speaker 4: for getting people to move and step into their power.
Speaker 4: But from their point of view.
Speaker 1: What's your relationship like with the people who are working
Speaker 1: out with you? Since it's I mean that is often
Speaker 1: not a person.
Speaker 4: I think our members inspire the instructors more than we
Speaker 4: inspire them.
Speaker 1: To be honest, Well, I have to tell you that
Speaker 1: as I was preparing for this, I mentioned it to
Speaker 1: a few people I know who ride peloton and they
Speaker 1: answered in a way that it felt to me like
Speaker 1: you were a friend. That they really wanted to come
Speaker 1: through for And this is not just one person, this
Speaker 1: is multiple people, multiple genders, and that's a lot of
Speaker 1: responsibility to carry Robin.
Speaker 4: There is an intimacy to the relationship that's very different
Speaker 4: than going to watch you know, Angelina jo Lee in
Speaker 4: a movie or something like this is Yeah, there is
Speaker 4: a friendliness and an intimacy. And when your sweating and
Speaker 4: the endorphins are added to the party, that's a that's
Speaker 4: a transformative experience.
Speaker 1: I'd say that's the right phrase. So where does your
Speaker 1: energy come from to be able to continue to bring
Speaker 1: it over and over? For so many people?
Speaker 4: Sleep? I am notoriously a fan of sleep. I am
Speaker 4: a lights out at nine pm kind of gal. I
Speaker 4: really do prioritize my own my fuel, my sleep, my relationships,
Speaker 4: you know, with my family and those closest to me,
Speaker 4: and I own the power of no. No is a
Speaker 4: complete sentence, no with a period at the end of
Speaker 4: it is a full statement. So I establish boundaries in
Speaker 4: order to protect my energy.
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. What's your own workout schedule?
Speaker 4: Like, you know what, the peloton classes aren't my own workouts.
Speaker 4: I kind of include them in the when I'm looking
Speaker 4: at the five thousand foot view of what I do
Speaker 4: every week, but they're not my training sessions. I'm really
Speaker 4: there up service and to be a coach and to
Speaker 4: be a guide. My workout sessions are usually six days
Speaker 4: a week, anywhere from two to three hours a day,
Speaker 4: depending on the season. When my running volume is up,
Speaker 4: those hours go up. And when I'm right now, I'm
Speaker 4: in a season of doing much more strength training, especially
Speaker 4: you know, since we've all been at home so much.
Speaker 4: The balance is usually four days a week of a
Speaker 4: cardio intensive workout, anything from intervals to more endurance cardio training,
Speaker 4: and four to five sessions a week of strength So.
Speaker 1: How long now has it been since you practiced law?
Speaker 4: When did I leave? I left two weeks before the
Speaker 4: twenty twelve London Olympic Games.
Speaker 1: Wow, an interesting uh anchor to market by Yeah, surprising,
Speaker 1: I guess. So as you think about that Robin, the
Speaker 1: Robin of twenty twelve, and I ask this knowing that
Speaker 1: you encourage us to think about the people we are
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, to look ahead and to take
Speaker 1: care of those people. Now, what would you tell that
Speaker 1: Robin of twenty twelve?
Speaker 4: I would tell her that pain becomes power. I would
Speaker 4: also tell her that to consistently and continually ask herself,
Speaker 4: why not me? That was the question I started to
Speaker 4: ask myself when I left laws. Why not me? Like?
Speaker 4: Why can't I be that person to monetize a career
Speaker 4: and running and wellness even though you know I will
Speaker 4: never be part of the Olympic Games or part of
Speaker 4: a competitive team. So I would remind her to continue
Speaker 4: to ask that question.
Speaker 1: You know, we just had a woman named Angela Duckworth
Speaker 1: on the show. She went a MacArthur Genius Grant for
Speaker 1: her work around this idea of grit, and the idea
Speaker 1: is basically, yeah, talent matters, IQ matters, but more than
Speaker 1: talent or IQ, your perseverance and your commitment over time matter.
Speaker 1: And as I think about your career path and your
Speaker 1: work and your commitment to really trusting yourself and that
Speaker 1: you're going to continue to get closer and closer to
Speaker 1: what you want to achieve, that to me feels like
Speaker 1: a model for grit. Is that a word that you
Speaker 1: connect with?
Speaker 4: Yes, it is. In fact, I always say I only
Speaker 4: train with royalty and the jewels in the crown are
Speaker 4: made of grit and hustle. I mean, diamonds are nice.
Speaker 4: You can give me a diamond, but I've got my
Speaker 4: own crown, baby, and I have my own diamond factory
Speaker 4: because I do it all the time when I lace
Speaker 4: up or when I'm on the peloton bike.
Speaker 1: It comes from you.
Speaker 4: It's self generated. Blink.
Speaker 1: Anything that we haven't covered that you would, as you
Speaker 1: reflect on your own career, that you would want to
Speaker 1: make sure that people understood about that.
Speaker 4: Path, say yes before you think you're ready. I see
Speaker 4: so many folks hesitant to throw their hands up to
Speaker 4: say hell, yeah, I'm gonna do that thing, simply because
Speaker 4: they haven't trained, or they haven't read about this or that.
Speaker 4: It's like, figure it out along the way. If you
Speaker 4: make it matter, you will make it happen period, and
Speaker 4: you might fail. But failure is just information. I consider
Speaker 4: failure to be like the results of a Google search
Speaker 4: and I, Okay, what am I going to learn? Got it?
Speaker 4: Moving on? So let's start to reframe those ideas, both
Speaker 4: of our own agency and our capacity to level up,
Speaker 4: but also our capacity to deal with failure. It's not
Speaker 4: as scary once you do it repeatedly.
Speaker 1: Well, if you ever really gone for something that you
Speaker 1: haven't been able to achieve, that you've been disappointed.
Speaker 4: By Yeah, all the time. Actually, I auditioned for a
Speaker 4: competitor in the fitness space, That's all I'll say. And
Speaker 4: I auditioned for them, I would say probably eight months
Speaker 4: before I read about Poloton and they said, you know what,
Speaker 4: you just don't got it. Sorry, it's not going to work,
Speaker 4: and that no. That's one of the most significant nos,
Speaker 4: because if they would have told me yes, I would
Speaker 4: have been in a year long, you know, noncompete with
Speaker 4: this other competitor, and who knows where they would have
Speaker 4: taken me. So I do believe in sometimes the required
Speaker 4: pivot is a blessing in disguise.
Speaker 1: How do you come back from that note in specifically,
Speaker 1: how did you come back from that know with grace?
Speaker 4: Well, you know what, I think that the know at
Speaker 4: that time was warranted. I probably wasn't any good, but
Speaker 4: it became a catalyst, right. I was like, Okay, nobody's
Speaker 4: gonna tell me no again in this regard. So I
Speaker 4: just got better. I believe in banging on our chest
Speaker 4: and saying damn, I got this, Like I will literally
Speaker 4: look in the mirror before I need to go for
Speaker 4: a big workout or a big performance or a big
Speaker 4: ride on the peloton and bang on my chest and
Speaker 4: look in myself in the eyes and say damn, let's go.
Speaker 4: But you also have to have enough humility to know, Okay,
Speaker 4: I've still got work to do.
Speaker 1: That was Robin Arson. You can check her classes out
Speaker 1: at one peloton dot com and learn more about her
Speaker 1: work at Robinarzon dot com. And hey, this episode came
Speaker 1: from you listeners. During office hours, several listeners got talking
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Speaker 1: think we give up on zoom meetings and just go
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Speaker 4: I know I've actually established some boundaries recently where unless
Speaker 4: it's like one on one, like I've just said, I'm
Speaker 4: going to collapse the screen and just give we're gonna
Speaker 4: go back to like I'm gonna pretend this is a
Speaker 4: rotary phone because there is like an added social pressure
Speaker 4: to it that I don't think is always helpful, especially
Speaker 4: when it's hours a day.
Speaker 1: Well, and also it kind of kills the intimacy to
Speaker 1: some degree. There is a way that when you get
Speaker 1: rid of the obligation of looking at somebody, you can
Speaker 1: focus and concentrate on listening to them.