1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: LinkedIn News. 2 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 2: From LinkedIn News and iHeart Podcasts, this is Let's Talk Offline. 3 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 2: I'm Giana Prudenti. 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 3: And I'm Jamaie Jackson Gadsden. 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 4: First of all, Happy New Year, y'all. 6 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 5: Yay. 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 3: We are still sharing some of our favorite episodes from 8 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 3: other shows in the LinkedIn podcast network. 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: Yes, and because we're heading into a new year, we 10 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 2: know some of our work besties might be thinking about 11 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: reinventing their careers, so we're sharing an episode from Hello Monday, 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: LinkedIn's Jesse Hemple Chatawick Peloton's Robin Arzon about professional pivots. 13 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 3: We really loved this episode because as someone who's shifted 14 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 3: careers a few times herself, Robin's story is really inspiring 15 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 3: for anyone who might be thinking about pursuing a different profession. 16 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 3: I mean, she went from being a corporate lawyer to 17 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 3: a fitness expert, oh goals. Her story goes to show 18 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 3: that our careers are not linear and we can really 19 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 3: grow in the most unexpected ways. So we hope you 20 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 3: enjoy this conversation from Hello Monday. 21 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: From the news team at LinkedIn. I'm Jesse Hemple and 22 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: this is Hello Monday, our show about the changing nature 23 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: of work and how that work is changing us. Even 24 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: if you know exactly what you want to do right 25 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 1: from the start, there often comes a point in your 26 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: career where it's time to reevaluate. Things change, you change. 27 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: Say you chose law and suddenly you're north of thirty 28 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 1: with an expensive degree and a big career, and you 29 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: realize you just don't want to do it. How do 30 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: you screw up the courage to leave the safety and 31 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: security of the subject you've mastered and start a new career. 32 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: Today's guest has some advice. 33 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 4: Say yes before you think you're ready. I see so 34 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 4: many folks hesitant to throw their hands up to say hell, yeah, 35 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 4: I'm gonna do that thing, simply because they haven't trained, 36 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 4: or they haven't read about this or that. It's like, 37 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 4: figure it out along the way. 38 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: You might recognize that voice. You might even work out 39 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: with her. That's Robin rs On. She's in charge of 40 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: fitness programming for Peloton. Everything she says in her workouts 41 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 1: sounds a bit like that. To hear Robin today, you 42 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: might think she was always an athlete. In fact, she 43 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: didn't go for her first run until she was in 44 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: her twenties. As a kid, Robin was absolutely passionate about 45 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: the law, so much so that she became a lawyer, 46 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: and she really loved it for a while. But eight 47 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: years in, right around the time that a lot of 48 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: people go for partner, Robin decided it was time to 49 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: go for something else. 50 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 4: She left law for. 51 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: A career in fitness. Robin's career story mirrors her approach 52 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: to competition. Her dramatic shift looks like a big win 53 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: in hindsight, and it is. She's having an incredible run 54 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: at Peloton, but justice with her marathons or in Robin's case, 55 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: ultra marathons, Robin prepared for this shift. She trained, She 56 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: decided when to hang back and say no to mediocre 57 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 1: opportunities and when to go all out. And most important, 58 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:17,359 Speaker 1: she told herself every day that of course she could 59 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: do it. She knows you can too. Here's Robin. 60 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 4: I wanted to be an attorney since I was ten 61 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 4: years old. My father was an attorney and he was 62 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 4: also a law professor of teaching real estate. So I, 63 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 4: you know, sat at top blue books when I was 64 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 4: you know, four and five years old for the old 65 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 4: school lawyers in the house who actually wrote in blue books. 66 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 4: So I had this enchanted idea that I would arm 67 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 4: myself with law and you know, go into these these 68 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 4: battles fuelled with justice, and some of that I did do, 69 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 4: but you know, the actuality was different than the vision. 70 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: Well, so you you spent a while practicing law, what 71 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: was it eight years? 72 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was a rise seventh year when I when 73 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 4: I left my law firm. 74 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: So maybe it could tell us a little bit about 75 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: what you liked and what maybe you liked a little 76 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: bit less during that time. 77 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 4: Well, I find for ambitious people, we can it's actually 78 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 4: pretty easy to find an intellectual pursuit that we find interesting, 79 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 4: even if the subject matter is dry. So I was 80 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 4: a corporate litigator. I worked with a lot of sec stuff. 81 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 4: This is at the height of subprime so it was 82 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 4: a very tense time in the market, and I was 83 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 4: able to focus and adapt and just dig in. And 84 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 4: I think intellectual folks often find that it's it's maybe 85 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 4: not easy, but it's simple to just dig in. But 86 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 4: that doesn't mean that it's actually aligning with our with 87 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 4: our values, with our goals, and with a happiness quotient. 88 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 4: That is something that I discovered when I was leading 89 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:54,279 Speaker 4: a divorce existence between athletics and law. So what I 90 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,799 Speaker 4: liked about law, I worked with brilliant partners. I learned 91 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 4: about business. I think through OSMO, I would not have 92 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 4: viewed fitness as a business and myself frankly as a brand, 93 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 4: as a burgeoning brand then had I not worked in 94 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 4: corporate litigation. But I also knew that there was something 95 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 4: palpably missing when I would count down the hours in 96 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 4: my day until I could go for a thirty minute 97 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,039 Speaker 4: run in such a park, so that divorced existence was 98 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 4: not satisfying. 99 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: And that running piece. I was surprised to discover that 100 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: you actually hadn't grown up. If you had loved law 101 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: at ten, you did not love running at ten. 102 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 4: Right, No, I was allergic to exercise actually into adulthood. 103 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 4: I was the arts and crafts and straight a student. 104 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 4: I did not identify as an athlete. I was petrified 105 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 4: of gym class. I actually was made fun of for 106 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 4: the way I ran when I was a kid. So 107 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 4: I think that that stuck in my brain early as 108 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 4: something that I didn't do, and I had to really 109 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 4: recreate myself and start to write a different story. Once 110 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 4: I realized that I was curious about what this running 111 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 4: thing was. 112 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: How did you come to running? 113 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 4: Frankly, it was really through trauma. I was in law school, 114 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 4: and the prior year, in my senior year at NYU, 115 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 4: I was held at gunpoint in New York City, and 116 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 4: that experience understandably stayed with me. A year later, when 117 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 4: I was in law school, I realized, Wow, I guess 118 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 4: I didn't really deal with as much of this as 119 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 4: I thought I had, And I have no idea why, 120 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 4: but I was drawn to a pair of shoes that 121 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 4: were in the back of my closet collecting dust, and 122 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 4: I decided to jog to class one day instead of 123 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 4: you know, drive the mile and a half and that 124 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 4: is where that was really where my journey started. 125 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: Wow, And from a mile and a half, you've moved 126 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: on to fifty miles. 127 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 4: In a pub yes, ultra marathon territory. 128 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 1: So during your the remainder of your path through school 129 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: and during the beginning years of your law practice, fitness 130 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: was increasingly important to you. When and how did the 131 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: way that you feel about it really start to change? 132 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 4: It was a slow burn, I would say, because they 133 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 4: ran in parallel tracks, you know, up unintended where I 134 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 4: really was still at the ncency of my law career 135 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 4: and feeling like, what's more. And while I was falling 136 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 4: in love with running, I was also getting curious about 137 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 4: what's it like to be in house, what's it like 138 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 4: to practice different areas of law? You know, I dabbled 139 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 4: in trademarks, I had IP stuff, so I was still 140 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 4: kind of just trying to see if I could make 141 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 4: the passion I found in the run something that I 142 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 4: could find in my day to day law practice. And 143 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 4: because I was so new, having practiced only a few years, 144 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 4: I thought, there's got to be something out there that 145 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 4: I haven't considered. And it was in that search actually 146 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 4: that I started to realize if I uncheck all the 147 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 4: boxes of what folks say you could do in journalism 148 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 4: or using the written word or storytelling within wellness, which 149 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 4: is really where my mind was going. I thought, maybe 150 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 4: I can create a career that hasn't really happened before. 151 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: As you lay out your law career, and I think 152 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: this is true about firm law in some ways, the 153 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: path is very set, it's very linear. You have a 154 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: good sense of what it looks like, and there's something 155 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: very safe to that. And when you choose instead to 156 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: take all of the tools, all of the years of school, 157 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: in some cases years of student debt, and aim it 158 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: towards a thing that you can't name yet. Well, that's 159 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: got to take a level of bravery, and I'm just 160 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: curious how you thought about it. 161 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 4: At the time, it did feel brave, but maybe not 162 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 4: as brave as I realize it was in retrospect. I 163 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 4: bet on myself and I still believe that I'm my 164 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 4: greatest investment. I had to assess my worth and then 165 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 4: add a little tax, and then I had to have 166 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 4: an honest conversation of what I didn't know and what 167 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 4: gaps I needed to fill. And I wasn't unknown in 168 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 4: the marketplace, certainly in wellness, and I had to acknowledge 169 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 4: that I had to say no quite a few times 170 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 4: to offer as I didn't think were of my value 171 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 4: and continue to bet on myself until I got the 172 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 4: right yeses. And that balancing act for about eighteen months 173 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 4: before I found Peloton was really really challenging, because every 174 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 4: time you say no and you have a red check, 175 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 4: do you feel like you might be at the end 176 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 4: of the line. 177 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 1: I love that idea of saying no, like you're moving 178 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: away from the thing that you have known, you're moving 179 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: towards something new. Talk a little bit about figuring out 180 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,119 Speaker 1: what to say yes to and when. 181 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 4: I'm a big fan of both journaling and vision boards, 182 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 4: I think they get us in alignment with what the 183 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 4: heck we want, and if we can provide some specificity, 184 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 4: either visually or in the written word, that actually goes 185 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 4: a long way. So what feels like an arts and 186 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 4: crafts exercise of cutting out things and magazines might feel 187 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 4: futile or juvenile, but it actually for me illustrated very 188 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 4: clearly that I wanted to somehow marry the business acumen 189 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 4: that I had acquired as a lawyer with something that 190 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 4: was forward thinking and modern, marrying technology and entertainment, and 191 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 4: I wanted to insert myself in that story, not telling 192 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 4: other people's stories, but telling my own. It was because 193 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 4: I was able to identify that as sort of objectives 194 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 4: and values that mattered to me that I was able 195 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 4: to see a blurb of Peloton. I don't even think 196 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 4: it's more than one hundred words about Peloton and Peloton 197 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 4: CEO Don Foley, that I was able to identify that 198 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 4: as the shiny thing that I wanted, and I put myself, 199 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 4: you know, directly in its path. I literally cold emailed 200 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 4: the company and I said we need to work together, 201 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 4: and I was hired I think forty eight hours later. 202 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 4: So but if I would have just summed right through 203 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 4: the magazine, if I hadn't identified that in myself in 204 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 4: what I wanted my goals to be. So I think 205 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 4: the process really it really starts inward. 206 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: Do you still do that? Is, do you journal consistency? 207 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 4: Yes, there are a lot of theories and ways to 208 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 4: navigate goal setting, and you know with acronym smart goals 209 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 4: all that, I totally agree with it. But for me, 210 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 4: it's just a quarterly seasonal gut check of like what 211 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 4: am I doing? Where am I going? Have I been 212 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 4: uncomfortable enough recently? And if the answer is no, I'm 213 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:05,479 Speaker 4: not on the right path. 214 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: How do you continue to remain uncomfortable? 215 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 4: Oh? I love it. I revered discomfort. As an athlete, 216 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 4: it's actually a pretty easy thing to identify with because 217 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 4: when you're in the middle of a sprint, or you're 218 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 4: at the end of a long run, or when you 219 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 4: picked up the heavier weight that day, you're very uncomfortable, 220 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 4: and in the moment, you don't love it, but you 221 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 4: learn to love the feeling, the after feeling. So when 222 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 4: you extrapolate that to other areas of your life, it 223 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 4: still rings true. 224 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:39,839 Speaker 1: When did the idea of athlete become central to your identity. 225 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 4: Increasingly as I was a lawyer. I mean, you don't. 226 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 4: You don't cross a marathon finish line and not adopt 227 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 4: some kind of moniker that honors that accomplishment. 228 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's true. Tell me about running your 229 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: first marathon. 230 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 4: I ran it. It was New York City Marathon in 231 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 4: twenty ten. 232 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: That was your first one, the New York City Marie, New. 233 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 4: York City, where I thought it was my first crossing 234 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 4: that finish line in Social Park. It did change me. 235 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 4: And I was still a lawyer, and I was still 236 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 4: in the throes of my low career and really trying 237 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 4: to get on that partner track. And it planted a seed. 238 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 4: It planted a seed of curiosity, and I was not 239 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 4: able to ignore it. 240 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: There's this thing that I have heard you say in 241 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: a couple of your workouts. Now maybe you say in 242 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: everyone where you remind us as we're running that relaxing 243 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,439 Speaker 1: in the stride is a key to efficiency. The efficiency 244 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: of the run, I'm getting it wrong. Do you know 245 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about? Yeah, better than I do. 246 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 4: A relaxed runner is an efficient runner. 247 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: I listened to that and it totally speaks to me 248 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: because I'm like, Oh, that's not about running, that's about 249 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: everything else. And I'm curious if that is what fitness 250 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: feels like to you. 251 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 4: In every area of our lives, we're doing this delicate 252 00:12:55,240 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 4: dance between tension and resistance that often creates momentum and 253 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 4: release from that tension so we can actually get things done. Right. So, 254 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 4: if you're constantly tensed, that actually isn't a state of 255 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 4: being that is effective. But when we do that delicate 256 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 4: dance between that forward momentum which requires discomfort and resistance 257 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 4: and the release of it, I mean that is literally 258 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 4: the contract and relax of a muscle. And frankly, I 259 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 4: do believe that willpower is a muscle. I believe that resiliency, 260 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 4: you know, is like a muscle. The more that we 261 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 4: visit those opportunities, the greater prepared we are for the 262 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 4: next one. We'll be right back. 263 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: Stick around. So how did you get the peloton job? 264 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: You said it took about forty eight hours after a 265 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: cold email. 266 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 4: I sent an email to the company after I read 267 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 4: about Platon as a blurb in a magazine, and I 268 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 4: just knew that that was it for me. I had 269 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 4: this gut feeling that I was going to work for them, 270 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 4: And I was the third instructor hired, and I was 271 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 4: hired a few months before we opened our original New 272 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 4: York City studio, And I guess the rest is kind 273 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 4: of history. 274 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: How central is intuition to the way that you make 275 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: your choices about your career? 276 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 4: Hugely? I agree that we should be prepared and we 277 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 4: should be educated, But are you acting it out or 278 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 4: are you figuring it out like? Just act it like 279 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 4: just start? So I do believe that my intuition, through 280 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 4: practices like listening to my own internal conversation on runs, 281 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 4: actually informs what I do greatly. I don't always need 282 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 4: to consult with a loved one or someone I respect 283 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 4: to make a decision. In fact, I often don't. I 284 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 4: think I am my own best advocate. 285 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: Well, it seems like one of the things that you 286 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: advocate four in your work is helping people the better 287 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: listen to themselves. Again, you cloak it under the umbrella 288 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: of fitness. When people are running with you. You know, 289 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: you think you're working on your physical body, but so 290 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: much of the message that you seem to bring to 291 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: the people that you're working out with is like, make 292 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: space and make time to hear yourself and trust yourself. 293 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: How do you learn that? 294 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 4: I have to credit marathons training for that, honestly. I mean, 295 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 4: you don't log thousands of miles and without developing a 296 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 4: trust for your abilities and your inner conversation. And that 297 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 4: is the beauty I think of endurance training is that 298 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 4: when you're out there for a few hours, you've got 299 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 4: to confront yourself. When I ran five marathons in five 300 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 4: days across Utah to raise money for MS research, I 301 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 4: actually did the majority of those marathons without any podcasts 302 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 4: or audiobooks or music, And that was part of the 303 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 4: right of passage for me, was to say, Okay, you've 304 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 4: reached this place in your running journey, can you actually 305 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 4: do it just out there with yourself on the road 306 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 4: in the mountains and deserving the beauty of Utah, Which 307 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 4: was definitely a challenge, but I'm better for it. 308 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the next challenge? 309 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 4: Then? I really fell in love with barbell training in 310 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 4: the past year. So that was an interesting pivot for 311 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 4: me that I still run five days a week, but 312 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 4: marrying that with the trepidation I first felt. You know, 313 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 4: putting a barbell over my head was a different kind 314 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 4: of fear, and I thought, ooh, that must be my 315 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 4: next challenge because I was no longer fearing the run 316 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 4: and healthy fear. So yeah, now I fear the barbell. 317 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: What have you learned about working at Peloton that you 318 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: might not have been able to learn in the same 319 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: way at corporate law form. 320 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 4: I have learned so much about business working cross functionally 321 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 4: with our teams at Peloton, because we're not just a 322 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 4: connected fitness company. In many ways, we're a media company. 323 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 4: We're of course a hardware company. We're in the inspiration 324 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 4: business right from the instructor perspective. I am the head 325 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 4: instructor Peloton, and we have folks internationally now and. 326 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 6: Seeing how folks are able to bring a genuine, voracious 327 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 6: passion for movement but then also marry it with all 328 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 6: of the things that make a media company a media 329 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 6: company and a network and network and. 330 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 4: A business of business. Yeah, it makes me really proud 331 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:24,360 Speaker 4: to wear a pee on my chest because we are 332 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 4: often wearing many hats. 333 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: So is there any skill set that is the lead 334 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: skill set, the most important skill set among them. 335 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 4: I'm hesitant to say it, but this is the real answer. 336 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,959 Speaker 4: It is the authenticity of wanting to do this work. 337 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 4: Because authenticity now feels like a buzzword in marketing, but 338 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 4: you know it when you see it, and so does 339 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 4: the consumer. Over thousands of hours of sweating with someone, 340 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 4: you really know who they are. And that is what 341 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 4: we have on earth in the folks who have ultimately 342 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 4: joined the team, is that there is a First of all, 343 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 4: it's an eye towards a long term partnership with the company. 344 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 4: And second, there is a true authenticity and a passion 345 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 4: for getting people to move and step into their power. 346 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 4: But from their point of view. 347 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: What's your relationship like with the people who are working 348 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: out with you? Since it's I mean that is often 349 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: not a person. 350 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 4: I think our members inspire the instructors more than we 351 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 4: inspire them. 352 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 1: To be honest, Well, I have to tell you that 353 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,919 Speaker 1: as I was preparing for this, I mentioned it to 354 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: a few people I know who ride peloton and they 355 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 1: answered in a way that it felt to me like 356 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: you were a friend. That they really wanted to come 357 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: through for And this is not just one person, this 358 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 1: is multiple people, multiple genders, and that's a lot of 359 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: responsibility to carry Robin. 360 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 4: There is an intimacy to the relationship that's very different 361 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 4: than going to watch you know, Angelina jo Lee in 362 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 4: a movie or something like this is Yeah, there is 363 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 4: a friendliness and an intimacy. And when your sweating and 364 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 4: the endorphins are added to the party, that's a that's 365 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 4: a transformative experience. 366 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: I'd say that's the right phrase. So where does your 367 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: energy come from to be able to continue to bring 368 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: it over and over? For so many people? 369 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 4: Sleep? I am notoriously a fan of sleep. I am 370 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 4: a lights out at nine pm kind of gal. I 371 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 4: really do prioritize my own my fuel, my sleep, my relationships, 372 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 4: you know, with my family and those closest to me, 373 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 4: and I own the power of no. No is a 374 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 4: complete sentence, no with a period at the end of 375 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 4: it is a full statement. So I establish boundaries in 376 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 4: order to protect my energy. 377 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. What's your own workout schedule? 378 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 4: Like, you know what, the peloton classes aren't my own workouts. 379 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 4: I kind of include them in the when I'm looking 380 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 4: at the five thousand foot view of what I do 381 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 4: every week, but they're not my training sessions. I'm really 382 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 4: there up service and to be a coach and to 383 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 4: be a guide. My workout sessions are usually six days 384 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 4: a week, anywhere from two to three hours a day, 385 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 4: depending on the season. When my running volume is up, 386 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 4: those hours go up. And when I'm right now, I'm 387 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 4: in a season of doing much more strength training, especially 388 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 4: you know, since we've all been at home so much. 389 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 4: The balance is usually four days a week of a 390 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:10,479 Speaker 4: cardio intensive workout, anything from intervals to more endurance cardio training, 391 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 4: and four to five sessions a week of strength So. 392 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: How long now has it been since you practiced law? 393 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 4: When did I leave? I left two weeks before the 394 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 4: twenty twelve London Olympic Games. 395 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: Wow, an interesting uh anchor to market by Yeah, surprising, 396 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: I guess. So as you think about that Robin, the 397 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: Robin of twenty twelve, and I ask this knowing that 398 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: you encourage us to think about the people we are 399 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, to look ahead and to take 400 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: care of those people. Now, what would you tell that 401 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: Robin of twenty twelve? 402 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 4: I would tell her that pain becomes power. I would 403 00:20:53,920 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 4: also tell her that to consistently and continually ask herself, 404 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 4: why not me? That was the question I started to 405 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,879 Speaker 4: ask myself when I left laws. Why not me? Like? 406 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 4: Why can't I be that person to monetize a career 407 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 4: and running and wellness even though you know I will 408 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 4: never be part of the Olympic Games or part of 409 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 4: a competitive team. So I would remind her to continue 410 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 4: to ask that question. 411 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: You know, we just had a woman named Angela Duckworth 412 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: on the show. She went a MacArthur Genius Grant for 413 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: her work around this idea of grit, and the idea 414 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: is basically, yeah, talent matters, IQ matters, but more than 415 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: talent or IQ, your perseverance and your commitment over time matter. 416 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: And as I think about your career path and your 417 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: work and your commitment to really trusting yourself and that 418 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: you're going to continue to get closer and closer to 419 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: what you want to achieve, that to me feels like 420 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: a model for grit. Is that a word that you 421 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: connect with? 422 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 4: Yes, it is. In fact, I always say I only 423 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 4: train with royalty and the jewels in the crown are 424 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,920 Speaker 4: made of grit and hustle. I mean, diamonds are nice. 425 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 4: You can give me a diamond, but I've got my 426 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 4: own crown, baby, and I have my own diamond factory 427 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 4: because I do it all the time when I lace 428 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 4: up or when I'm on the peloton bike. 429 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: It comes from you. 430 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 4: It's self generated. Blink. 431 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: Anything that we haven't covered that you would, as you 432 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 1: reflect on your own career, that you would want to 433 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: make sure that people understood about that. 434 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 4: Path, say yes before you think you're ready. I see 435 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 4: so many folks hesitant to throw their hands up to 436 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 4: say hell, yeah, I'm gonna do that thing, simply because 437 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 4: they haven't trained, or they haven't read about this or that. 438 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 4: It's like, figure it out along the way. If you 439 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 4: make it matter, you will make it happen period, and 440 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 4: you might fail. But failure is just information. I consider 441 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 4: failure to be like the results of a Google search 442 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 4: and I, Okay, what am I going to learn? Got it? 443 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 4: Moving on? So let's start to reframe those ideas, both 444 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 4: of our own agency and our capacity to level up, 445 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 4: but also our capacity to deal with failure. It's not 446 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 4: as scary once you do it repeatedly. 447 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,239 Speaker 1: Well, if you ever really gone for something that you 448 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: haven't been able to achieve, that you've been disappointed. 449 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 4: By Yeah, all the time. Actually, I auditioned for a 450 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 4: competitor in the fitness space, That's all I'll say. And 451 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 4: I auditioned for them, I would say probably eight months 452 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 4: before I read about Poloton and they said, you know what, 453 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 4: you just don't got it. Sorry, it's not going to work, 454 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 4: and that no. That's one of the most significant nos, 455 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 4: because if they would have told me yes, I would 456 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 4: have been in a year long, you know, noncompete with 457 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 4: this other competitor, and who knows where they would have 458 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 4: taken me. So I do believe in sometimes the required 459 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 4: pivot is a blessing in disguise. 460 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: How do you come back from that note in specifically, 461 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: how did you come back from that know with grace? 462 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 4: Well, you know what, I think that the know at 463 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 4: that time was warranted. I probably wasn't any good, but 464 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,479 Speaker 4: it became a catalyst, right. I was like, Okay, nobody's 465 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 4: gonna tell me no again in this regard. So I 466 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 4: just got better. I believe in banging on our chest 467 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 4: and saying damn, I got this, Like I will literally 468 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 4: look in the mirror before I need to go for 469 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 4: a big workout or a big performance or a big 470 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 4: ride on the peloton and bang on my chest and 471 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 4: look in myself in the eyes and say damn, let's go. 472 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 4: But you also have to have enough humility to know, Okay, 473 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 4: I've still got work to do. 474 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: That was Robin Arson. You can check her classes out 475 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: at one peloton dot com and learn more about her 476 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:35,640 Speaker 1: work at Robinarzon dot com. And hey, this episode came 477 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 1: from you listeners. During office hours, several listeners got talking 478 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: about how much they love Peloton and how it'd be 479 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: great to have Robin on the show. So I reached 480 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: out and she said, yes, who else do you want 481 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 1: to hear from? Let me know. Email us at Hello 482 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 1: Monday at LinkedIn dot com. And just so you know, well, 483 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: Robin leftlaw. There are many many people who find a 484 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: rich and satisfying career in it, like my friend Lindsay Garrison. 485 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 5: Law, if you do it right, is a place where 486 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 5: you can feel like you're making a difference in the world, 487 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 5: where you can help people, where you can make people's 488 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 5: lives better, and use this toolkit of cases and legal 489 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:21,120 Speaker 5: arguments and just make a compelling story and actually change 490 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 5: people's lives for the better and. 491 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 1: If you could do that, you could be a really 492 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: happy lawyer. Well, you're a very happy lawyer, am I right? 493 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,480 Speaker 5: I never ever would have thought that I would still 494 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 5: be at a law firm this many years after law school. 495 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 5: But I'm still super happy. 496 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: If you like the show, please rate us on Apple Podcasts. 497 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: It really helps new listeners find us. Hello Monday is 498 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: a production of LinkedIn. The show is produced by Sarah 499 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: Storm with help from Madison Shafer. Tim Boland mixed our show. 500 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: Fludencia Riando is head of original audio and video. Dave 501 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: Pond is our technical director. 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When do you 507 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: think we give up on zoom meetings and just go 508 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: with the audio. 509 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 4: I know I've actually established some boundaries recently where unless 510 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 4: it's like one on one, like I've just said, I'm 511 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 4: going to collapse the screen and just give we're gonna 512 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 4: go back to like I'm gonna pretend this is a 513 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 4: rotary phone because there is like an added social pressure 514 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 4: to it that I don't think is always helpful, especially 515 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 4: when it's hours a day. 516 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 1: Well, and also it kind of kills the intimacy to 517 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: some degree. There is a way that when you get 518 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 1: rid of the obligation of looking at somebody, you can 519 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: focus and concentrate on listening to them.