1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grece. 2 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 2: A teen girl allegedly commits suicide, but it doesn't make sense. 3 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: It makes no sense at all. A young teen. 4 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:32,319 Speaker 2: Girl, barely clothed suicide by train. I'm not buying it. 5 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for 6 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: being with us here at Foxination and Serious xem one eleven. 7 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: What do you do if you're the parent of a child. 8 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 2: And authorities insist your child committed suicide, but you know, 9 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 2: based on the facts, she didn't, absolutely did not. And 10 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: what about experts tell you there's no way this is 11 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 2: a suicide, this is a homicide. But yet seemingly cops 12 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 2: and authorities won't budge. First of all, take a listen 13 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: to our friends at crime Online. 14 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 3: When Stephen and Diane met, Diane already had two girls, 15 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 3: Jessica in Crystal, and they didn't plan on having any more. 16 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 3: They were surprised and shocked in a good way when 17 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 3: Diane found out if she was going to have Tiffany. 18 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 3: Diane says, the first time they laid eyes on her, 19 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 3: it was heaven. Tiffany was a happy child, and after 20 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 3: the older girls grew up and out, friends and family 21 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 3: say Tiffany was raised kind of like an only child. 22 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 2: You know, I've got an all star panel to try 23 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: to make sense of what we know right now. But 24 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: first I want to go to special guests joining us, 25 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: Stephen and Diane Belliente. These are the parents of Tiffany, 26 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: the teen girl who lost her life. Mister and missus Valiante, 27 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. And I've studied the 28 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:11,119 Speaker 2: case very carefully, and from what I can see, your 29 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: daughter's case is a complete divergence from every statistical data 30 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 2: that I know to be true regarding suicide, methods of homicide, 31 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: and suicide. I understand where you're coming from based on 32 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: the facts, but I want to hear about the moment 33 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: that was just described by our friends at crimeonline dot Com. 34 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 2: I remember the first moment I saw my children's faces, 35 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 2: my twins. That moment I will never forget it. Tell 36 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 2: me about that, Diane. 37 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:06,679 Speaker 4: When we first saw to me, she was just so precious, beautiful. 38 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 4: We just loved it for the moment we actually put 39 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 4: our eyes on her. She was just gorgeous. 40 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 2: Now I can't remember the twins that are extremely premature, 41 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 2: about two months premature, and I had an emergency c section, 42 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: and the nurses showed them to me, and I remember 43 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: their little blue eyes looking at me like help me, 44 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: I will never forget it, and I was so I 45 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: didn't know, but at that point I was near death too. 46 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: I couldn't even sit up, and I touched a kiss 47 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: to my lips and put it on each one of 48 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 2: their foreheads, and then we were all torn apart to 49 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: ICUs Stephen, what do you remember about that moment. 50 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 5: When she came? Its just a miracle, that's I mean 51 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 5: state the miracle changed my whole life in what way? 52 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 5: In every perspective of the is I mean like I've 53 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 5: worked hard, got the house bill, it's just more given 54 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 5: more of a stride. 55 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: Guys, you were hearing the parents of Tiffany Valiente, a 56 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 2: teen girl whose death was ruled suicide by train. 57 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: Joining me. 58 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 2: So everyone who has been working so hard on this case. 59 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 2: But I want to go to doctor Donald Jason uh 60 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 2: former Atlantics County Medical Examiner and forensic pathologists, currently Professor 61 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 2: Emeritus of Pathology at Wake Forest. Doctor Jason, thank you 62 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 2: so much for being with us. You know, when you 63 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 2: study over years and years and years, as I have done, 64 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 2: the method and assessment of homicide and suicid. I've seen 65 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 2: zero suicide by train. I mean I see it on movies, 66 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 2: but in real life not so much, doctor, have you. 67 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 6: No, I have not. 68 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 7: I've seen homicide by train. Well, actually, I've seen a homicide. 69 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 6: Covered up by train, right. 70 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 7: I've seen accidents right, usually people in cars, right, not 71 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 7: just on tracks. 72 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 2: I'm with you, doctor, I'm just thinking back. In all 73 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 2: the years I prosecuted, I've never once, not once, seen 74 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 2: suicide by train. 75 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: Never. 76 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 6: It's extremely rare. 77 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 2: In fact, in all the years that I prosecuted in 78 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 2: intercity Atlanta strictly felonies, and all the cases we have 79 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 2: covered and investigated ourselves, I've never seen suicide by train. 80 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: That's a lot of cases. 81 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 6: Well, it's are that. It's even more rare in the 82 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 6: teen years. 83 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,799 Speaker 1: Yes, well, I mean suicide itself. 84 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 2: Although when a teen does commit suicide it makes the headlines. Why, 85 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: because it's so rare, it's an anomaly. It's highly unusual 86 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 2: for a teen to commit suicide. Now, we see it 87 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: a lot in the media because the media will seize 88 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 2: on anything that is unusual, and naturally because we are 89 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 2: curious about it. But when you look at the bulk 90 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 2: of suicides, they are largely not teens. And also, isn't 91 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 2: it true, doctor Donald Jason that statistically women practically never 92 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 2: commit suicide unclothed. 93 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 7: Well, we tend not to do it where their bodies 94 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 7: will be. 95 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: Mangled, exactly mangled. 96 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 2: In fact, when women commit suicide, you rarely see them 97 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 2: shooting themselves in the head just doesn't happen, or commuting. 98 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 2: And I remember the first time I had cause to 99 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: study this my district attorney, my elected d eight, longest 100 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: serving DA in the country at that time, I think 101 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: it was thirty seven years elected, mister Slayton. I heard 102 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: him on the loud speaker, Nancy come to my office. 103 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I ran literally ran to his office, 104 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: and he said, I want you to look at this file. 105 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: I said fine. Because the father of the victim was 106 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: a lawyer I think was in a sunny school class. 107 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 2: I can't remember that connection, but I looked at it 108 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: and immediately I saw that the female victim was completely 109 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 2: nude and shot herself in the head right there. Although 110 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 2: I didn't understand it, it seemed wrong to me. That's 111 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 2: what led me to begin studying method and assessments of 112 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 2: suicide and homicide. It's extremely rare for a woman to 113 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: mangle her body. As you said, much less not fully closed, 114 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 2: statistically speaking, rarely happens. Joining me is Justin Rorlick joining 115 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 2: us out of Manhattan. He is with the Daily Beast 116 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 2: and you can find him at the Dailybeast dot com 117 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 2: on Twitter at Justin Rorlick. 118 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: Justin take a listen to our friend Dave Mack. 119 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 3: Tiffany grew into a striking young woman with a large 120 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 3: circle of friends. She was an excellent athlete, and at 121 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 3: six foot two, she made an impact on the volleyball court. 122 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 3: Tiffany loved the game and received multiple scholarship offers for colleges. 123 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 3: She decided to take her game to the next level 124 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 3: at Mercy College in New York, where she was expected 125 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 3: to start as a freshman and pursue a degree in 126 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 3: criminal justice. 127 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: You know, it seems to me, Justin Orlick, that she 128 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 2: had everything going for her. You know how hard it 129 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: is to make a volleyball team, Justin, have you ever 130 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: tried that? 131 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 5: I have none. 132 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: Can I tell you my daughter has. She's made it 133 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 2: twice and one time she didn't. 134 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: It's hard. These girls are tough. 135 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 2: I mean you've got to be a real athlete to 136 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 2: get on a school volleyball team. 137 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, Justin, it's not easy. 138 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, this was a young woman who had 139 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 5: everything going for her and certainly had everything to live for. 140 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 5: From what I've been told by the Valente family, by 141 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 5: Paul Tomato, people that knew her, we spent a lot 142 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 5: of time together and really dug in deeply to this case. 143 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 5: And you know, while I certainly don't know exactly what 144 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 5: happened that night because I wasn't there, obviously, I do 145 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 5: believe the Valente family deserves a proper investigation because it 146 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 5: definitely appears that the conclusion of suicide was reached very 147 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 5: very quickly. 148 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 2: Man, you're not kidding, Justin Royaler Guys, justin joining me 149 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 2: from the Daily Based. 150 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: Okay, take a listen to more from. 151 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 3: Dave mac On a beautiful Sunday, July and twelfth, the 152 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 3: Valente family went to a graduation party for Tiffany's cousin 153 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 3: across the street from their Maize Landing, New Jersey home. 154 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 3: This was a big party, with family and friends filling 155 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 3: up the yard, cars parked on either side of the roadway. 156 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 3: This was not a one hour party and open up presence. 157 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 3: This was a full party, complete with steaming clams, fun 158 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 3: in the swimming pool, competitive and fun volleyball games going on. Finally, 159 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 3: a little after nine pm, Tiffany unexpectedly heads back across 160 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 3: the street to her house. 161 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: So there's a big party. 162 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 8: Now. 163 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 2: Let me ask you, Stephen and Dianne. Let me go 164 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 2: to you, Diane. That was on July twelve, around nine 165 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 2: o'clock pm. Correct, that's when she left the party. 166 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, somewhere maybe a few minutes before that. 167 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: Okay, And you saw her that evening. Correct, You were 168 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 2: at the party also. 169 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 4: We were with her since all day actually, other than 170 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 4: her going to wah wah get to get lemonade. 171 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 2: That brings back good memories. I used to live on 172 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 2: top of a wah wah in Philly with my sister. 173 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 2: So the party, it sounds like a really great party 174 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 2: for Tiffany's cousin. 175 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: Was she downcast? Was she sad? Was she upset about anything? 176 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 4: Now she's totally excited talking to everyone about you know, 177 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 4: college and shopping and apparently was scoping out for a 178 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 4: kitten for me for my birthday, you know, which was 179 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 4: the following week. 180 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy. 181 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 2: Grace with Me is doctor Angela Arnold, a renowned psychiatrist 182 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, and she specializes in the 183 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 2: treatment of women in all aspects of their life. Doctor Angie, 184 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 2: we need you, and we need you now because I 185 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 2: want to know if you agree or disagree with any 186 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 2: or part of what I've been saying about teen suicide. 187 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 2: While we hear about it a lot, it is by 188 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 2: far not the main percentage of suicides across our country 189 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 2: and especially here where this young girl is happy. She's 190 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: got all these college scholarships being offered to her, and 191 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 2: she's doing forward thinking planning. In other words, I'm looking 192 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 2: for kittens to give my mom for her birthday. We're 193 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 2: going shopping for X, Y and Z. I'm looking forward 194 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 2: to blah blah blah, it goes on and on. That's 195 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 2: not typically what you see when a young girl is 196 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 2: planning to kill herself. 197 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 9: No, Nancy, you are exactly right about that. And there 198 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 9: are things that we typically see when a young girl 199 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 9: is thinking about killing herself, like what oh, Nancy, There's 200 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 9: so many things, like they have a substance abuse disorder, 201 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 9: if they typically show impulsive kinds of behavior. If they've 202 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 9: had a change in their friendships, if there's been a 203 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 9: change in their family, like divorce or moving to a 204 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 9: new town. You see how negative all of those things, 205 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 9: how negatively these things can impact the child. But like 206 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 9: you said, Nancy, this young girl is getting scholarships, she's 207 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 9: graduating from high school as happy as a lark, she's 208 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 9: an amazing athlete, she's moving on to do wonderful things 209 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 9: in her life. And none of that, none of that 210 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 9: looks like suicide. And I'll tell you something, Nancy, what 211 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 9: young beautiful woman is going to stand on some train 212 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 9: tracks and wait for a train to come by. You 213 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 9: would change your mind before you did something like that. 214 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 9: Who's gonna wait for a train to come by to 215 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 9: get hit by a train? 216 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 10: You know what? 217 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: The way you just put it, guys got to go 218 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 2: to an incredible guest joining us, Paul Dematto. He is 219 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 2: a veteran trial lawyer and he has been representing the 220 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 2: Valiante family. You can find me at Demato Law Firm 221 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 2: dot com. Paul, I actually had not, and I've looked 222 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 2: at this this case over and over since I first 223 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: found it. But what doctor Angie just said, I didn't 224 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 2: think of that. And it's so obvious, is stearing me 225 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 2: right in the face. What girl, a ten girl is 226 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 2: going to stand out at the train tracks and wait 227 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 2: all alone for a train to leap in front of it. 228 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: I mean, none, that's who. None. It's just so obvious it. 229 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 10: Is, And I thank you for your insight. All of 230 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 10: us that have been working for Bono, including doctor Jason 231 00:14:54,480 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 10: and other consultants retired from law enforcement, everybody has concluded 232 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 10: that you cannot rule this as a suicide. And if 233 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 10: the New Jersey Transit Police Department at the very least 234 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 10: had done a psychological autopsy of Tiffany, if they had 235 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 10: taken the time to interview Steve and Diane, and Tiffany's 236 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 10: two sisters, the grandmother, the relatives, the friends, the coaches, 237 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 10: they would have learned that there was nothing, nothing, at 238 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 10: all in her background that would have motivated this young 239 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 10: lady to die by suicide. And they would have learned 240 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 10: the Transit police that though she was not formally diagnosed 241 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 10: with this psychiatric disorder, she was an e classic example 242 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 10: of suffering from nictophobia, a fear of darkness. 243 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: Wait to wha wha, wha whah, wah. 244 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 2: Wait, wait, wait, it was already nine pm when she 245 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 2: left the party. Wouldn't it have been dark? And somebody's 246 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 2: trying to tell me this girl who was afraid of 247 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 2: the dark and that was her only mental disturbance. She's 248 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: afraid of the dark, like probably everybody. She's afraid of 249 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 2: the dark. You're going to stand out on a train 250 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 2: track in the dark. It just I mean, Stephen, would 251 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: your daughter have stood out in the dark and waited 252 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 2: for a train? 253 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 5: No, never happened. 254 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 2: Tell me about her fear of darkness? What did you 255 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 2: do to relieve that? 256 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 5: She came? She used to work a wildwide too, I said, 257 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 5: but she worked more or less came home at eleven 258 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 5: twelve o'clock at night. So what I did? I put 259 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 5: us emotionally that in front. So and she pulled up, 260 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 5: because she pulled right in front of the house. As 261 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 5: soon as she pulled up, that labor come on in 262 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 5: this way. She wasn't scared, but she was still run 263 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 5: from her car to the house, which is only probably 264 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,359 Speaker 5: twenty five feet twenty feet What about inside? 265 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: What about it inside? 266 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 2: Diane? 267 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: Did she keep a night light on in her room? 268 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 10: Yeah? 269 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 4: She had a well, she had she would leave her 270 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,479 Speaker 4: bathroom light on. Actually, even when she would watch TV, 271 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 4: she would shut the shades in the living room because 272 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 4: she was afraid somebody would look them at her. Huh, 273 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 4: you know, she was just you know, it's just the 274 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 4: way she was. She shut the shade gay. 275 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 2: So she leaves the party just a tiny bit before 276 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 2: nine o'clock. 277 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: Take a listen to clime online. 278 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 3: When Stephen and Diane come back outside to find Tiffany gone, 279 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 3: they assumed she went back across the street to the party. However, 280 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 3: after discovering Tiffany is not at the party, they enlist 281 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 3: help of family and friends to start looking. Everyone gets 282 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 3: very concerned because it's now dusk and getting darker. It's 283 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 3: common knowledge that Tiffany is petrified of the dark and 284 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 3: would never put herself in a situation where she was 285 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 3: alone in the dark. Not only is it getting darker, 286 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 3: but Tiffany isn't answering calls, her text messages. No matter what, 287 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 3: Tiffany has her phone with her at all times, but 288 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,719 Speaker 3: now she isn't answering. After walking back and forth along 289 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 3: the road, Tiffany's father finds out why Tiffany isn't responding 290 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 3: to calls and text messages. 291 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 1: Why take a listen to our friends? Why why? 292 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 8: The family found Tiffany's phone on the ground after she disappeared, 293 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 8: but they said she was basically attached to her phone, 294 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 8: so much so that she bought a waterproof case to 295 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 8: be able to bring it into the shower. Also, it 296 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 8: was nighttime when Tiffany disappeared, and she was afraid of 297 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 8: the dark. But most of all, Tiffany was happy, her 298 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 8: family said she had promised. Her mother, Diane, says that 299 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 8: never seemed to matter to investigators. 300 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 4: How come nobody's questioned us, I can't understand. 301 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: Nobody's been on my home. Nobody's I just don't understand. 302 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 2: So Jim Brendan Steel joining us a private eye working 303 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 2: with Paul Dematto and the Valiante family, the owner of 304 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 2: Investech and former police officer. 305 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: Jim how far away. 306 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: From her cell phone where her dad found it to 307 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 2: the location of her death? What was the distance between 308 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 2: those two points. 309 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 6: Depending on the route, at least a mile, if not 310 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 6: almost two and some And depending on what route or 311 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,959 Speaker 6: whether you used roadways. 312 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: Like a more straight line, got it so between one 313 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: to two miles? 314 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 2: Jim, could you describe the place. The location where Tiffany 315 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 2: allegedly killed herself. 316 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 6: It's some distance from any roadway along the train tracks 317 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 6: from Chilton Road east towards General Avenue. 318 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 2: Jim, when you say it's some distance from a roadway, 319 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 2: what do you mean by that? 320 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 6: Within a few hundred yards. It is very dark. There's 321 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 6: no lighting at the scene. 322 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 2: So she would have had to walk several hundred yards 323 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 2: to wait for a train to jump in front of 324 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 2: I want to circle back to Stephen Valiente. This is 325 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 2: Tiffany's dad. What went through your mind the moment you 326 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 2: saw her cell phone? 327 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 5: It's just weird because why was the phone here? But 328 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 5: we could get a hold of it. I mean it 329 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 5: just I just knew the or something wrong, because there's 330 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 5: no way that kids left your phone anywhere. 331 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: Wouldn't you agree, Doctor Angela Arnold, People especially teens, are 332 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 2: glued to their phone. That is a threat that I 333 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 2: use if I have to to get the twins to 334 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 2: do just about anything. If I say I'm going to 335 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 2: wait till you're sleep tonight, I'm going to take your phone. 336 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: Oh, they'll do anything. 337 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 4: Of course. 338 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 9: And Nancy, we talk about this all the time on 339 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 9: your show. We talk about patterns of behavior, and it's 340 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 9: such an obvious pattern of behavior if it listen to me, 341 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 9: that needs to be a red flag. We need to 342 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 9: write about this in a book. Okay, we need to 343 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 9: scream it from the rooftops. If a teen is dissociated 344 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 9: from her phone, from his or her phone, that is 345 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 9: a red flag that something has gone wrong, because that 346 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 9: is how much teams are attached to their phones in 347 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 9: the life, in the world that we live in today. 348 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 2: Is anybody in this studio or on our panel right 349 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 2: now further away from your phone than arms reach anybody. 350 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 1: I've got mine right here. 351 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 2: Why I'm not looking at it, But if it pops 352 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 2: up and it's from one of the twins, one of 353 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 2: my children, I'm going to look at it because they 354 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 2: may need me, and that's the only way. I don't 355 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 2: think they even know home phone number. They that's how 356 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 2: they reach me at all times. And I'm just stunned 357 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 2: that she would have left her phone lying on the ground. 358 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 2: Back to you, Stephen, it was lying on the ground where. 359 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 5: Probably fifteen twenty feet from on one driveway, face down. 360 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 5: Is the reason they've seen it because it lit up. 361 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: It lit up, Okay, well. 362 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 5: It was spacing downward, Jammy in the league. 363 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 2: Was she driving a vehicle, Diane, No, she didn't have 364 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 2: her vehicle, so she would have walked one two miles 365 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 2: by foot. She would have walked that far without her 366 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 2: phone and the dark and waited for a train. Is 367 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 2: that My understanding of the analysis to Justin Rolick joining 368 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 2: us from the Daily Base is that the theory that 369 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 2: has been advanced by law enforcement, that is the theory. 370 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 5: You know, as as some of the other guests mentioned before. 371 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 5: Tiffy had a crippling fear of the dark, So just 372 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 5: that alone would seem to indicate that she wouldn't be 373 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 5: walking four miles in the dark to find the place 374 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 5: to die by suicide, and certainly not by walking onto 375 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 5: train tracks. 376 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 2: Now, you're absolutely right, Doctor Angela Arnold joining as a psychiatrist, 377 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 2: Doctor Angie. Isn't it true that a majority of suicides 378 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 2: take place in the home. 379 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 9: Yes, And I'll tell you yes, the majority of suicides 380 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 9: takes place in the home. And as you said previously, Nancy, 381 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 9: I just want. 382 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 4: To reiterate this. 383 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 9: When female attempt to commit suicide, they don't do it 384 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 9: in a way to mangle their body. 385 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, overwhelmingly you're correct. Take a listen to our friend 386 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 2: Joe Hernandez. 387 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 8: On July twelfth, she was struck and killed by a 388 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 8: New Jersey Transit train a few miles from her home. 389 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 8: Investigators said she killed herself, but right away her mother 390 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 8: Diane had doubts when. 391 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 11: They first came to the house to tell us. I, 392 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 11: I said, I mean, it'll repeat themselves because I just 393 00:23:59,440 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 11: was in shock. 394 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 2: A slutely Tiffany, you know. 395 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe I'm away off base. 396 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 2: But it seems to me to Jim Brennan, Steel veteran 397 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 2: private eye, former cop, that she left the party for 398 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 2: a reason. Either she went to go meet someone or 399 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 2: she was called out of the party. The party for 400 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 2: her cousin, the graduation party across the street. Remember she 401 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 2: left a little bit before nine, and then somehow her 402 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 2: phone ends up not far from there on the ground. 403 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 2: To me, it's clear she was taken somewhere. 404 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 6: If the question is why did no one wonder what 405 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 6: she did or what or whereabouts were Was she with 406 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 6: anybody for the hour and a half between the time 407 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,199 Speaker 6: she was last seen in the time of the train strike. 408 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 6: It's a fundamental flaw in the investigation. For the very inception. 409 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 2: You're going to walk that far in the night, catch 410 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 2: a truck that happens to be coming by, to kill yourself, 411 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 2: and it all happens in the space of about ninety minutes. 412 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: It's not making sense. 413 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 2: Guys, take a list st our friends at whyy. 414 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 8: Tiffany's shoes were found far from where she died, But 415 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 8: to get to the spot where the train hit her, 416 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 8: she'd have had to walk over rocks and dirty ground, 417 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 8: Yet her feet were clean and undamaged in the autopsy photos. 418 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 8: That's one of the many criticisms Attorney Paul Dematto has 419 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 8: of the investigation into her death. 420 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 12: What is in that file of the State Medical Examiner's 421 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 12: office that led them to rush to judgment to conclude 422 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 12: that it was suicide? And that is quite disturbing because 423 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 12: just think about it for a second. You have parents, 424 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 12: you have sisters that have to live with the fact 425 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 12: that some governmental agency concluded that their loved one committed suicide. 426 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 2: You know, joining me is esteemed Atlantic County former Medical 427 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 2: ex forensic pathologist doctor Donald Jason Donald. 428 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: What about this? 429 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 2: In addition to what we've already pointed out, screams to you, 430 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 2: this is no suicide. 431 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 7: Atlanta County used to be my jurisdiction for ten years 432 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 7: from nineteen eighty two to ninety two, and when I 433 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 7: was medical, she's county medical examiner in Atlanta County. Case 434 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 7: like this, first, I would have sent out a nurse 435 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 7: or paramedic investigator, and when I would have heard what 436 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 7: this case was, I would have gone myself. I would 437 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 7: have spent all night looking at the scene, gathering the 438 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 7: evidence and piecing together where she must have been, which 439 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 7: would have been quite difficult. That's why I would have 440 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 7: taken all night. 441 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 2: Do you believe that her injuries are consistent with being 442 00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 2: hit by trained. 443 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 6: Well, course, of course she was not only hit by 444 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 6: a train, but the entire train went over her body 445 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,400 Speaker 6: and cut her into pieces with the train tracks. 446 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: What about toxicology? 447 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,959 Speaker 7: And then the autopsy was described as taking only fifteen minutes. 448 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 1: How can that? They have never heard of an autopsy 449 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: taken fifteen minutes. 450 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 6: Well, if you don't do much of an autopsy, it 451 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 6: was really an external examination. It wasn't really an autopsy. 452 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,199 Speaker 2: You cannot do an autopsy in fifteen minutes, that's impossible. 453 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 7: Well, there was no microscopical examination of anything, and there 454 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 7: was no attempt to piece the skull back together. Most important, Nancy, 455 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,919 Speaker 7: there was no x rays taken. In a case like 456 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 7: this where a body has been so badly mangled and 457 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 7: train is just one example. You do the same thing 458 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 7: if you implying the body decomposed or body hit by 459 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 7: a car and badly mangled, you x ray the entire 460 00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 7: body and look for foreign radio, opaque things, right, bullets 461 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 7: or what have you. 462 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: This was not done, doctor Donald Jason. Was there a 463 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: toxicology test? 464 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 5: Yes? 465 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: What if anything? Did they show nothing? 466 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 6: There's no drugs and no alcohol in her body. 467 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: Guys, take a listen to this. 468 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 3: Tiffany's death was ruled a suicide and the case was 469 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 3: closed in less than forty eight hours, but many questions remain. 470 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 3: In the last known photo of Tiffany, she has seen 471 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 3: on her dad's deer camera leaving the driveway of their 472 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 3: house wearing a black shirt, blue jean shorts, white headband, 473 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 3: and shoes. Tiffany was found barefoot and just wearing her underwear, 474 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 3: no short pants. Investigators didn't find her shoes or headband. 475 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 3: Her mother did while walking the root of his believe 476 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 3: Tiffany walked her last night. Her mother Diane found her 477 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 3: shoes and headband more than a mile away from where 478 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 3: she was hit by the train. According to the autopsy report, 479 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 3: Tiffany's feet were clean and free of injury. So how 480 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 3: did Tiffany walk barefoot over rugged terrain for more than 481 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 3: a mile at night and not show any physical signs 482 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 3: of doing so? 483 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 2: To Diane Valiante, this is Tiffany's mom, Miss Valiente, I 484 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 2: see why you are fighting this suicide ruling. It seems 485 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 2: to me like her clothing, her shoes, her headband. 486 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: Were thrown away. 487 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,959 Speaker 2: It doesn't sound to me like she discarded them in 488 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 2: a stone cold, sober walk through the dark over rocks barefoot. 489 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 2: That did not happen. So why were her shoes so 490 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 2: far away? Why were her feet completely unharmed? And why 491 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 2: did you have to find evidence? Why not police? 492 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 4: I can't answer for the police why they didn't find 493 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 4: anything because they didn't do an investigation. Tiffany wasn't one 494 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 4: to walk around barefoot, except in the house. 495 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at crime Online. 496 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 3: According to the Daily Beast, investigators did such a bad 497 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 3: job storing in track of evidence that some has become unusable, 498 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 3: while other items are missing altogether. One example is Tiffany's shirt. 499 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 3: She was seen on her dad's deer camera walking down 500 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 3: the driveway in a black T shirt. That shirt was 501 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 3: collected at the scene, but it was stored in a 502 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 3: plastic bag with a knot tied in the top of 503 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 3: the bag. This allowed for mold to flourish and destroy 504 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 3: the evidentiary value of the shirt. Meanwhile, during the investigation, 505 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 3: New Jersey Transit recovered an axe with red marks from 506 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 3: the scene. However, when it came time to examine the axe, 507 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 3: it turned up missing. So they destroyed the shirt and 508 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 3: lost an axe. 509 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 2: Okay, justin roll it with me from the Daily Based 510 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 2: Please explain what I just heard from crime online. 511 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:49,239 Speaker 5: It's difficult to explain. To be honest, it is a 512 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 5: remarkably shoddy way of handling evidence, no matter how serious 513 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 5: the case, but especially with something concerning the death of 514 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 5: a young woman like that ne Valente. The axe was lost. 515 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 5: It was lost before it could be tested, and in 516 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 5: March twenty twenty two, Paul Dematto hired a forensic examiner 517 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 5: who found that the remaining evidence in the case had 518 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 5: been stored improperly by police, making it all but worthless 519 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 5: for a new round of DNA testing. You mentioned the 520 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 5: shirt that Tiffany had been wearing the night she died 521 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 5: that had been stuffed into a plastic bag which was 522 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 5: tied with a knot, and the conditions left it covered 523 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 5: with mold and useless Scientifically, other items had been left 524 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 5: outdoors and exposed to the elements prior to being collected, 525 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 5: and those were similarly contaminated, according to a private DNA 526 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 5: testing lab that the family hired. I tried to get 527 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 5: in touch with New Jersey Transit about this, and they 528 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 5: didn't respond to my inquiries. But this, on top of 529 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 5: conflicting accounts from the engine here and the trainee engineer 530 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 5: who were in the h in the front cab of 531 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 5: the train that night, all sort of combined to at 532 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 5: least raise an eyebrow or two. And certainly I believe 533 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 5: that the family deserves some closure here and definitely deserved 534 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 5: some further investigation. Uh it, You know there, there's really 535 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 5: no downside that I can see for a New Jersey 536 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 5: Transit to just open up the books again and take 537 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 5: it take a more in depth look at what might 538 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 5: have happened. 539 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: Justin Rorlake. 540 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 2: Who is the law enforcement arm that was in charge 541 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 2: of the homicide investigation. 542 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 5: From what I understand it was New Jersey Transit. 543 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 2: They are in charge of a homicide New Jersey Transit, 544 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 2: that is. 545 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 5: What That is what I was informed. And yeah, I 546 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 5: mean the you know, they they obviously have a you know, 547 00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 5: a proper police department there, but as mister Dematto has 548 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 5: mentioned many times, they deal with very few homicides in 549 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 5: relation to the other sorts of crimes or violations that 550 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 5: they're dealing with. 551 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 2: Look, I'm not locking Transit. My dad was a railroad 552 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 2: man his whole life, so was his father and all 553 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 2: of his brothers, and that's what put me through school. 554 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 2: But I don't think of New Jersey Transit as being 555 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 2: a homicide investigation expert. 556 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: To Paul Demato, the trial. 557 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 2: Lawyer who's been working with Valientes, was this case investigated 558 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 2: by Transit? 559 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 10: There was no investigations and that is the fundamental problem. 560 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 10: We have corresponded with the New Jersey Attorney Generalist Office, 561 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 10: the State Medical Office. We've asked repeatedly to reopen the investigation. 562 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 10: They're never going to reopen it because to do so 563 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 10: will expose the fact that there wasn't an investigation. This 564 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 10: is a classic case of something that you've seen hundreds 565 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 10: of times before, confirmation bias. They made it. They rushed 566 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 10: to judgment. Within less than twelve hours, a statement was 567 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 10: issued that Tiffany had died by suicide. With less than 568 00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 10: twelve hours it was in the local newspaper. Imagine how 569 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:43,399 Speaker 10: Steve and his beautiful wife, who's been fighting this course, Diane, 570 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 10: over and over, have they thought that it's in the 571 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 10: paper less than twelve hours later. I'm going to go 572 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 10: to step further. A friend of mine that belongs to 573 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 10: the same church, he introduced me to a retired FBI agent, 574 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 10: and that gentleman approached me and he said, how can 575 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 10: I and my wife help? She also was a retired 576 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 10: is a retired FBI agent. I said, what you can 577 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 10: do is look at the entire file of the SND 578 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 10: and New Jersey Transit Police Department. By then, as a 579 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,719 Speaker 10: result of three lawsuits, I was able to get what 580 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 10: I believe is most of the files for both of 581 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 10: these agencies. They spent three months studying the file. They 582 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 10: issued a fifty nine page report which I was told 583 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:43,240 Speaker 10: to send to the New Jersey New Jersey Sorry General's Office. 584 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 10: The New Jersey Transit Police Department and the State Medical 585 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 10: Examiner's Office and said this gentleman and his wife are 586 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 10: available to be interviewed. The conclusion of the report was, 587 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 10: you cannot conclude as a matter of law, well this 588 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 10: was suicide. You must reopen the investigations. And do you 589 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 10: know what the response was zero to this date, not 590 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 10: a letter, not an email, nothing from these agencies. It 591 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 10: is a travesty of government. And having spent two years 592 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,399 Speaker 10: as a status emblement, I've seen where government can work 593 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 10: and where government has failed. And I'm telling you this 594 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 10: is one of the biggest travesties I've seen in my 595 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 10: almost forty nine years as a trial. 596 00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 2: You know, Diane, how is it that you learned that 597 00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 2: your daughter's death had been ruled a suicide. 598 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 4: Well, my husband read the newspaper in the morning and 599 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 4: hid it from me, so I didn't see it. And 600 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 4: he was on the phone with the Atlantic City Press 601 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 4: screaming at them at the top of the monks. How 602 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 4: could you put it out to tell you that our 603 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 4: daughter committed suicide? People were tweeting and on Facebook from 604 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 4: four point thirty am. Now you need to know we 605 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 4: didn't find out Tiffany was hit by that train till 606 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 4: two thirty in the morning, so to see all this 607 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 4: out there already, and you know, and then Nancy Snyder 608 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 4: from New Jersey Transit put it on on the computer 609 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,920 Speaker 4: that my daughter stood in front of those front of 610 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,359 Speaker 4: that train on the tracks and did not move. 611 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:40,359 Speaker 5: What right? 612 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 4: She ruined my daughter's reputation. She made accusations that were 613 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,879 Speaker 4: not true without an investigation. 614 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 2: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace justin RLTT. You mentioned conflicting 615 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 2: reports from the engineers on the train. What do you 616 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 2: mean by that? 617 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 5: No, this is something that Paul Demotto has long been 618 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,839 Speaker 5: bothered by. There were inconsistent statements by the two engineers there, 619 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 5: or rather the one engineer and the one student engineer. 620 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 5: In a twenty nineteen civil suit that the Motto filed 621 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 5: on behalf of the family. You know, the engineers were 622 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 5: questioned three separate times and provided a different version of 623 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 5: events each time. I reviewed transcripts of these interviews, so 624 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,839 Speaker 5: I'm familiar with the way the story has changed. In one, 625 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 5: the engineers said that Tiffany had run out from the 626 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 5: woods and across the tracks, and another he said that 627 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 5: he didn't see Tiffany until the train was right on 628 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 5: top of her. About a week later, he claimed that 629 00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 5: he first saw her from about a half a mile away, 630 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 5: crouched outside the tracks, and then stood up and dove 631 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:06,479 Speaker 5: in front of the train. This the trainee engineer also 632 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 5: gave conflicting accounts of what happened that night. They were 633 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 5: talking about uh that that they blew the horn and 634 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 5: rang the bell uh as they put the emergency brakes on. 635 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 5: But then under oath the engineer said that he actually 636 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 5: had his back to the cab while he was chatting 637 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 5: with the conductor standing nearby, and the trained black box 638 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,359 Speaker 5: says that showed that neither of them ever actually rang 639 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 5: the bell. I also tried to get in touch with 640 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,280 Speaker 5: the two engineers, and they didn't respond to my requests either. 641 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,600 Speaker 5: But you know, there are certainly enough questions being raised 642 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 5: here that a you know, another look seems like the 643 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 5: right thing to do. And it's it's surprising that it's 644 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 5: never been reopened. 645 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 2: So let me understand. The black box shows they never 646 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,560 Speaker 2: blew the horn and they never hit the brakes. 647 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,359 Speaker 5: Not the brakes, it's the black box showed that they 648 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 5: never rang the bell. This was one of the points 649 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 5: that they made to investigators. And while the bell is 650 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 5: not the necessarily the crucial aspect here, it's definitely, you know, 651 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 5: one inconsistency that could be an indicator of other things 652 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,360 Speaker 5: that that you know, might come out as well with 653 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 5: it with a deeper look. 654 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,399 Speaker 1: I hardly know which way to go. 655 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 2: But to doctor Angie, none of this is fitting together, none. 656 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,799 Speaker 9: Of it, I agree with you, Nancy. And when none 657 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 9: of it's sitting together, that means they have come to 658 00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 9: the wrong conclusion. 659 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 2: How can parents move forward with their lives. I mean, 660 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 2: they're never going to have closure, but how can they 661 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,759 Speaker 2: even move forward when this is left unresolved and there's 662 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 2: an injustice on top of the grieving? 663 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,319 Speaker 9: Well, you know, Nancy, one of the things that I 664 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 9: wanted to point out when you were first asking the 665 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 9: parents about what it was like when they first brought 666 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 9: their baby home and whatnot. Nancy, that shows such an 667 00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 9: attachment to this child. It sounds like she grew up 668 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 9: in such a loving home where she was wanted. That's 669 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 9: part of the reason she was so successful in her 670 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 9: in her short life. This is not a child. This 671 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 9: is not a woman who committed suicide to Diane. 672 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 2: This is Tiffany's mother. Diane, how do you keep going 673 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 2: not only grieving your daughter, missing her every single day, 674 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,600 Speaker 2: walking by her room, wondering what could have been as 675 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:48,840 Speaker 2: each milestone passes, But the injustice of this so called investigation. 676 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 4: Well, it kills me every day. I just know that 677 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 4: she wants justice for herself, and I just feel that 678 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,799 Speaker 4: we need to be her and on top of that, 679 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,919 Speaker 4: not only to be there for Tiffany, but I don't 680 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 4: want this to happen to another family. I don't want 681 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 4: them to go through seven and a half years of 682 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,040 Speaker 4: hell like we have. 683 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 2: Steven, what is your response. 684 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 5: Her voice to make sure everything's done for her? But 685 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:25,879 Speaker 5: she's not here. 686 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:30,000 Speaker 2: After Tiffany passed away, you had always promised her that 687 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,880 Speaker 2: you would build a volleyball court. Is it true you 688 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 2: built a professional grade volleyball court after she passed away? 689 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 2: And when you look out at the volleyball court, what 690 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 2: goes through your mind? 691 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,720 Speaker 5: But they said they come. 692 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,320 Speaker 2: Yet, Guys, if you want your voice to be heard, 693 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:59,520 Speaker 2: the new Jersey Attorney General is Matthew Plattkin, p L 694 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:03,839 Speaker 2: eight K I N and you can reach him at 695 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:08,400 Speaker 2: six six nine two nine two four nine two five 696 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:14,520 Speaker 2: repeat six six nine two nine two four nine two five. 697 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 2: The New Jersey transit number is nine seven three two 698 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 2: seven five five five five five repeat nine seven three 699 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,680 Speaker 2: two seven five five five five five or email at 700 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:37,640 Speaker 2: Matthew Platkin at State dot n J dot us. If 701 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 2: you have any information that could help in this investigation 702 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 2: into the death of Tiffany Valiente, this beautiful teen girl, 703 00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,759 Speaker 2: please call six zero nine nine two six three three 704 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 2: hundred repeat six zero nine nine two six three three hundred. 705 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,720 Speaker 2: We wait as just as un false. Good Bye friend,