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Speaker 1: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Radio live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. He is Brian,

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Speaker 2: Now I'm Jason Martin in for the two Pros and

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Speaker 2: the Cup of Joe. And that's a last, but not

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Speaker 2: least situation when it comes to our friend Jonas Knox,

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Speaker 2: Happy Thanksgiving, Happy Turkey Day to all of you and yours.

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Speaker 2: I hope you can make your morning a little better,

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Speaker 2: whether or not you're cooking or traveling or whatever it

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Speaker 2: might be. Before all three of these just exceptional NFL

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Speaker 2: games kick off a little bit later on this morning.

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Speaker 2: But Brian, there's a game coming up tomorrow that's pretty important.

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Speaker 2: Of many right, there's an NFL game tomorrow too that's

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Speaker 2: pretty interesting. And then there's some really good college football

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Speaker 2: on Friday. I don't know if you've looked at the slate,

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Speaker 2: but there's stuff to watch all day long tomorrow that's

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Speaker 2: gonna be incredibly relevant to the college football playoff and

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Speaker 2: of course just rivalries and everything else. It's gonna be

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Speaker 2: a lot of fun. But the one I'm talking about

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Speaker 2: isn't one that I think is gonna be particularly close,

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Speaker 2: but it has a lot of impact beyond that, and

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Speaker 2: that is the egg ball between Ole Miss and Mississippi State.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you can be a sports fan

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Speaker 2: at this point in time and not have an opinion

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Speaker 2: on the Lane Kiffins situation at ole Miss, how it's

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Speaker 2: played out, the calendar, becoming the giant villain of all

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Speaker 2: of this, at least on one half of the narrative,

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Speaker 2: whether it's gonna be LSU, whether it's gonna be Florida,

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Speaker 2: whether he's gonna stay put at ole Miss, everybody's weight in.

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Speaker 2: We had what steven A and Paul Finbaum going at

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Speaker 2: it earlier this week on TV to where I think

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Speaker 2: steven A called Paul Finebaum a hypocrite by because Paul

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Speaker 2: leveled critique at Lane Kiffin for how this is played out,

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Speaker 2: and stephen A said, didn't you say I love ESPN,

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Speaker 2: but I would go be a senator, which I found

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Speaker 2: really interesting. But I also find it to be a

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Speaker 2: horrible example. I think he like overthought it, like these

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Speaker 2: two things are not remotely the same, Like when you

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Speaker 2: look at what Lane Kiffen could walk away from, let's

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Speaker 2: just say it here and then I just kind of

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Speaker 2: want your opinion to start it off, is we've never

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Speaker 2: seen anything like this before, where you have a one

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Speaker 2: loss Ole Miss team, probably the best season maybe in

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Speaker 2: their history, going into this rivalry game where they can

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Speaker 2: win it, where they're gonna go to the College Football Playoff,

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Speaker 2: and where they're good enough to potentially win the entire thing,

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Speaker 2: and their coach may take another job in the same

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Speaker 2: conference leave because they're not gonna let him coach in

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Speaker 2: the playoff. It will affect their seating, it'll affect everything

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Speaker 2: about that, it could derail the entire season. And yet

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Speaker 2: it's still something that could happen. And I think there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of coaches where you'd say there's no chance,

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Speaker 2: but this guy, because of the history of Lane Kiffin

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Speaker 2: and how he has conducted himself professionally in terms of

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Speaker 2: his jobs, you can't. You could never rule out the

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Speaker 2: fact that he could walk away, even at eleven and one,

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Speaker 2: which is exactly what he might be about to do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 4: It's a crazy situation where if Lane is leaving, he

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Speaker 4: can't coach in the playoff.

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Speaker 3: Man like the right because the transfer.

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Speaker 4: Window, right, so you need the next coach to come

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Speaker 4: in there, and the transfer window is between January second

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Speaker 4: and January sixteenth, So that's smack dab in the middle

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Speaker 4: of the playoff, which is just so stupid to me. Like,

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Speaker 4: you gotta ask yourself, is college football, what would the

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Speaker 4: NFL do? Would the NFL open free agency smack dab

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Speaker 4: in the middle of the playoffs? No, they wouldn't be dumb,

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Speaker 4: They would not do that. There's gotta be a better

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Speaker 4: way to do this where you're not opening the transfer

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Speaker 4: portal during the playoff.

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Speaker 3: That's just dumb. It makes no sense.

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Speaker 4: You don't want your playoff to be upstaged yourself, like

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Speaker 4: the college football playoff can be upstaged in ways by

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Speaker 4: the college football transfer portal.

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Speaker 3: That makes no sense to me.

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Speaker 4: But with the dates being what they are, so you

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Speaker 4: think about the first round, it starts December nineteenth and twentieth.

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Speaker 4: The quarterfinals are December thirty first and January first, So

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Speaker 4: in theory, you could have Lane stick around and maybe

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Speaker 4: you win the first playoff game.

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Speaker 3: If you win the.

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Speaker 4: Quarterfinals, then what what do you You gotta have your

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Speaker 4: next head coach in place. You got the transfer portal

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Speaker 4: window opening up. You can't have Lane coaching the team

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Speaker 4: in the college football playoff as you're like now in

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Speaker 4: the final four basically, meanwhile, do you what do you

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Speaker 4: have no system in place. He can't be around for

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Speaker 4: the playoff. If he decides to go to LSU or

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Speaker 3: That's the situation we're in right here.

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Speaker 2: No, that's right. I mean, look, if I'm LSU and

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna pay him ninety to ninety eight mil, whatever

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Speaker 2: the number turns out to be, and give him the

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Speaker 2: twenty five million annual roster cash as the offer has

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Speaker 2: been reported, I'm not paying him for a season that's

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Speaker 2: going to be a waste, Like I'm not giving him

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Speaker 2: a dummy season like that money that I'm paying him

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Speaker 2: actually has to go into trying to field a team

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Speaker 2: next year that can win a championship, not two years

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Speaker 2: from now. Especially in NIL and everything else, you can

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Speaker 2: turn that around relatively quickly. So I understand it from

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Speaker 2: their perspective, and you can understand from Lane's perspective because

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Speaker 2: he's kind of caught. He obviously had plays all the cards.

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Speaker 2: I don't see him as a victim here. He's a

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Speaker 2: victim of his own success if you want to say that.

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Speaker 2: But he could shut this down at any point. My

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Speaker 2: question would be this, And I said this last week

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Speaker 2: to Aaron Torres on our show on Saturday night. I

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Speaker 2: said that as soon as I saw that they were

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Speaker 2: going to have the announcement about Lane Kiffn's future at

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Speaker 2: ole Miss the day after uh the Egg Bowl, I said, Oh,

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Speaker 2: he's staying for sure.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow.

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Speaker 2: And the more I've thought about it, the more I've thought,

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Speaker 2: that's insane, and I feel like I got caught in. Like, okay,

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Speaker 2: I got caught in. I got caught in pro wrestling

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Speaker 2: booker mode, which is something I did for a while,

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Speaker 2: So maybe that's how I looked at it. I said,

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Speaker 2: if I wanted to create a hero, if I wanted

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Speaker 2: to create an iconic moment, the thing that I would

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Speaker 2: do is turn it into the greatest week in ole

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Speaker 2: Miss football history where they go beat their rival to

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Speaker 2: end the season with one loss, where they have all

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Speaker 2: sorts of momentum potentially going into a college football playoff.

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Speaker 2: And then the next day the question gets answered and

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Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin says, you know what, it's it's really really

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Speaker 2: nice to be wanted, and LSU and Florida and all

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Speaker 2: these other opportunities. I'm so flattered by all of this.

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Speaker 2: But my family loves Oxford and we want to we

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Speaker 2: want to finish our business here. It's not even that

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Speaker 2: there's unfinished business and then we can leave. It's just

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Speaker 2: no like, this place has been good to us, gave

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Speaker 2: us a chance. We want to win a championship right here.

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Speaker 2: If he does that, they build a statue for him

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Speaker 2: outside the stadium and he becomes one of the greatest heroes,

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Speaker 2: maybe the biggest figure in almost football history, or certainly

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Speaker 2: one of them, and he can write his ticket forever.

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Speaker 2: Like I'm looking at it from a storybook perspective, but

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Speaker 2: the realistic perspective is when you listen to Keith Carter,

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Speaker 2: the athletic director, talk about it and say, look, we

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Speaker 2: don't want our kids to be distracted this week going

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Speaker 2: like they have the full support of the university behind

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Speaker 2: them as they prepare for this game. That sounds like

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Speaker 2: a eulogy. That sounds like we've got to make sure

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Speaker 2: that they have there, that they have their rescue animals,

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Speaker 2: that they have what they need, their comfort animals, their

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Speaker 2: comfort squirrel or whatever it is on the airplane to

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Speaker 2: be able to get through what's going to be a

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Speaker 2: really traumatic time period. So I have flipped on it

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Speaker 2: in my own head, but I'm sticking by my guns. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna turn out to be a fool, probably, and

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Speaker 2: I'm well aware of that. And here's the other thing.

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Speaker 2: Maybe there's a part of me. It's just like I'm

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Speaker 2: rooting for him to stay because I think that's the

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Speaker 2: right decision. And I'll lay that out for you here

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Speaker 2: in a minute. But I want to see Lane Kiffin

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Speaker 2: stay at Old Miss and build something.

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Speaker 3: There, yeah, because it could be his place.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Like it's not well, he's at LSU and now

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Speaker 4: he's the next head coach with O and Sabin and

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Speaker 4: right like now he's won a championship along with these

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Speaker 4: other guys. Yeah, he could have his own thing at

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Speaker 4: Ole Miss. I think he's absolutely gone, man, I think

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Speaker 4: he's going to LSU. As my guest, I've heard some

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Speaker 4: people say I think he's going to Florida.

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Speaker 3: I think it's LSU.

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Speaker 4: But if he were staying at Old Miss, he would

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Speaker 4: just come right out and be like, guys, I'm not

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Speaker 4: going anywhere I'm focused on the egg Ball. I'm focused

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Speaker 4: on the college football playoff. We've worked for years to

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Speaker 4: be in this spot, and this moment is all I'm

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Speaker 4: about right here, So please stop connecting the dots.

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Speaker 3: I listened.

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Speaker 4: I decided I'm staying here at Ole Miss. It wouldn't

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Speaker 4: be hey, after the egg Bowl, we've got this mystery announcement.

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Speaker 4: Like unless this is straight from WWE, and you know, look,

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Speaker 4: that's where I'm coming from. It's the face turn. Right,

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Speaker 4: normally it's a heel turn. It's a face turn. You

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Speaker 4: think he's gone. He's like psych I'm staying baby like, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I just don't think that's happening. But I like the thought.

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Speaker 4: I just don't think you would approach it that way.

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Speaker 3: If that's no, Look, you're.

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Speaker 2: Probably well, like I said, I'm probably looking at it

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Speaker 2: from a completely ridiculous perspective. I admit that wholeheartedly. Like

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Speaker 2: what you're saying is probably right. You're probably smart. I'm

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Speaker 2: probably not. That's just and probably may have left the building.

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Speaker 2: I just I look at this and I and I

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Speaker 2: do see it from this perspective. Also, and I've heard

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Speaker 2: this set by some people. I respect it. In the industry.

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Speaker 2: Lane is different than a lot of other people.

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Speaker 3: He absolutely he is.

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Speaker 2: He does things a lot now there have been you know,

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Speaker 2: he's talked about getting sober and maturing a lot at

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Speaker 2: Old Miss and his family loving it there, and look,

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Speaker 2: it's a great town. And in this era he's closer

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Speaker 2: to a national championship by far than LSU or Florida

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Speaker 2: either one. At this point I also say this, Let's

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Speaker 2: say Lane Kiffen is this coach for the next twenty

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Speaker 2: five years at Old Miss, where he's right there on

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Speaker 2: the doorstep, but he didn't quite get there. He's Mark

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Speaker 2: feu E. Gonzaga or maybe Signetti and Indiana never quite

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Speaker 2: get there, but they're right there. Yeah, year after year

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Speaker 2: after year, he's still going to go down as a

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Speaker 2: legend there. Like you think about your quality of life

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Speaker 2: there compared to what happens to you in LSU. When

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Speaker 2: you win a championship, you get fired a few years later.

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Speaker 2: That's right, happen to Less Miles, happened to edwar Jaran,

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Speaker 2: It likely would have happened to Brian Kelly, but he

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Speaker 2: wasn't good enough any to win that. And now they're

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Speaker 2: gonna pay him out his fifty four million dollars, which

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Speaker 2: we could talk about the end of the hour. But like,

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Speaker 2: Lane Kiffen is in a perfect place where, yeah, the

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Speaker 4: They had a last second kick to win the game,

434
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 4: and he threw four picks, Like that's that's how good

435
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,439
Speaker 4: their team is, that's how good their defense is. They

436
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,880
Speaker 4: still had a chance to win that thing, and he's

437
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,199
Speaker 4: just handed away interceptions like he's Oprah, you know, just

438
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 4: you know, another one like DJ khaled.

439
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 3: I just I'm not a big donald guy.

440
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 4: He's put up pretty good numbers, but I just can't

441
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,120
Speaker 4: trust him the way the season ended last year against

442
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 4: the Vikings, I'm sorry, against the Lions when they had

443
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 4: the one seed on the line, and then against the

444
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 4: Rams in the playoffs, Like he's just a deer in

445
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 4: headlights sometimes where it's like Sam, throw the freaking ball, dude,

446
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 4: he's just standing there like where's the internal clock. Man,

447
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 4: They're gonna they're gonna clock you if you don't get

448
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 4: rid of the ball. And you just saw that creep

449
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 4: back up against the Rams. So I just can't trust

450
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 4: Donald and uh, you know you can't trust Daniel Jones either.

451
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 3: He put me in a rough spot.

452
00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:00,240
Speaker 4: I would if I if push came to shove man,

453
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 4: I would bite my upper lip and just grin and

454
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 4: bearrett with Donald because he's got Jackson Smith and Jigba.

455
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 4: He's got a top flight weapon. He is an absolute

456
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 4: stud And I just would cross my fingers that Sam

457
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,239
Speaker 4: would get rid of the football on time and then

458
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 4: hopefully throw accurate passes and not to the other team

459
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 4: and not screw the Seahawks. If that's who I'm rooting for.

460
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 4: But if I had to choose, it would be Donald

461
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 4: over Daniel Jones.

462
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. Well, I mean, the Coles

463
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 2: have Jonathan Taylor. They do, but since you mentioned Jackson

464
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,439
Speaker 2: Smith and Jigbie, I know it's a different position and

465
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 2: all that, but they both have they both have a

466
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 2: little bit of firepower around them. What I find interesting

467
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 2: about the Donald conversation specifically is, oh, look, Minnesota didn't

468
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 2: know what they were doing. They got arrogant, they thought

469
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 2: all was just like. They didn't let Sam Darnld go

470
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,360
Speaker 2: like based on the fact that he had a good

471
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 2: regular season last year, like the thing that did not

472
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,360
Speaker 2: make sense to me about that argument in favor of Darnald.

473
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 2: The reason they let him go is because they saw

474
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 2: what he did at the end. It wasn't about what

475
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 2: he did in weeks one to fifteen, right or whatever

476
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 2: like that. It's how the season ended with the Rams

477
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 2: last year. It was that they weren't sure he was

478
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 2: the guy that could win when it mattered. He's not

479
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: been it. He wasn't a guy for them that showed

480
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 2: that he couldn't win a lot of games and do

481
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 2: a lot of things. But that's not the goal, Like,

482
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 2: that's not the plan, especially when I do think you

483
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 2: probably over I wouldn't say overrate, but you definitely give

484
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 2: a lot of credence to the fact that if you're

485
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 2: in Minnesota, you say, well, we've got Jordan Edison, and

486
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 2: we've got TJ. Hawkinson, and we've got Aaron Jones and

487
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:48,160
Speaker 2: oh yeah, we've also got Justin Jefferson, Like they've got

488
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 2: a ton of talent. Did they maybe look at it

489
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: and say it's the talent that's making the quarterback more

490
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 2: than the quarterback making the talent. In that case, you

491
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 2: let a Darnald go rather than paying him too much money,

492
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 2: and you say, well, look, we took JJ McCarthy for

493
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: a reason. Let's see if our talent can raise his

494
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 2: level of play. And sometimes that doesn't work out, and

495
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: in the short term it hasn't looked like a particularly

496
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 2: good decision. But I'm with you, like, I actually really

497
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 2: do like Sam Darnald, and I was huge on him

498
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: coming out of USC, But there's nothing that he's done

499
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 2: in his career that tells me that he's a guy

500
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: that is going to get the job done in late

501
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 2: December and early January. And then, of course, the same

502
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 2: thing is true with Daniel Jones.

503
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 3: That's right.

504
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 4: It's look, just because JJ McCarthy looks nothing like the

505
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 4: guy doesn't mean that all of a sudden, Sam Darnald

506
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 4: is the.

507
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 3: Guy, you know what I mean?

508
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 4: Like, that's just that that doesn't add up, because you're

509
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 4: hearing a lot of that, Like, man, what were the

510
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 4: Vikings thinking letting go of Sam Darnald And it's like,

511
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 4: wait a minute, wait a minute, Like they were thinking

512
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 4: Sam Donald's good, not great, and we're not gonna pay

513
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 4: him huge money because he's not worth it, and they're right,

514
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 4: what Donald is. So just because JJ McCarthy is off

515
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 4: to a historically rotten start. It doesn't mean that they

516
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 4: blew it by getting rid of Sam Darnald.

517
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 3: It'd be like jobs or dating.

518
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 4: Let's say you date this girl, Lisa, all right, fictitious girl.

519
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 4: She's good, she's cool. I mean, you're having a lot

520
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 4: of fun together, good times. But man, it's just you know,

521
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 4: there's something left to be desired and it's not going

522
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 4: to result in marriage, and that's what you really want.

523
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 4: So you stop dating her and you date this other girl, Jessica,

524
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 4: and Jessica is a freaking train wreck, you know what

525
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 4: I mean. And it's like then you think back to

526
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 4: your first relationship, you're like, man, it wasn't half bad.

527
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 4: Like that's what's happening with Sam Darnald now, Like it

528
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 4: left something to be desired. You didn't want to get

529
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 4: hitched to Donald because he's a deer in headlights and

530
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 4: wets himself in big situations time and time again, and

531
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 4: so you moved on. And now it's a train wreck

532
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 4: with JJ McCarthy. You get all these fans saying, man,

533
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 4: they shouldn't have let Donald go. It's like no, man,

534
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 4: like they had more than enough reason to let him go.

535
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 4: Just who they let him go for looks really bad

536
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 4: right now. But I don't think you should be longing

537
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 4: for Donald. You should just be longing for an actual,

538
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 4: really good quarterback that you seemingly do not have at

539
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 4: this time.

540
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we haven't said much about Daniel Jones here,

541
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 2: but I mean you heard say kwarm bark, we say, look,

542
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 2: I always said he was a great player, and of

543
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: course they're really good friends. And I think Daniel Jones

544
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,959
Speaker 2: has definitely exceeded the expectations this year in Indianapolis. But

545
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 2: I also look at both those teams and say, I

546
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 2: don't think that they have the quarterback of the next

547
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: ten years there. When I see that they're looking to

548
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 2: try and keep Daniel Jones long term, I'm like baseball,

549
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 2: like why like slow slower role here, just a little

550
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 2: bit like there has to be a middle ground somewhere

551
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 2: in sports between terrible and exceptional, and a lot of

552
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 2: guys find themselves there. Like I know we live in

553
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 2: a business of extremes, but that doesn't work here here.

554
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: There are two pretty good players, better than serviceable players,

555
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: But I don't think either one of them is going

556
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 2: to win a Super Bowl for you or be a

557
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: part of a championship team. Like you can look at

558
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 2: Seattle and you make good points about their defense, and

559
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 2: certainly JSN is just on a completely different universe right now.

560
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: But do I really look at Seattle and say they

561
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 2: can win it all. No, And honestly, I think that's

562
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 2: probably because of the quarterback. He's going to have to

563
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: prove that to me because I haven't seen it to

564
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 2: this point. But yeah, Like, it's very easy to nostalgically

565
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: look back at movies or things that at the time

566
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 2: you were like, yeah, it's all right, but then you

567
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: see the slop that comes out now and you say, Man,

568
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: Running Man in nineteen eighty four, what a great movie

569
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: that was. Forgetting that at the time, it was a

570
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: very like, yeah, it was decent, but we're not winning

571
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: Academy Awards here. So you can look back now, you

572
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: can look back on what was pretty good, even decent,

573
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: and you're seeing that kind of working in a new spot.

574
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: But you're also if you're paying close attention that RAMS

575
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 2: game a couple of weeks ago, you're like, oh, yeah,

576
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 2: I also remember that that's what I saw here too,

577
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: and that that kind of left us out That's the

578
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: reason there was a question at the end of the

579
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: season folks as to whether they were gonna bring Sam

580
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 2: Darnold back. It wasn't because he hadn't played well. It

581
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: was because had he played so well that they were

582
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: going to actually wager the future and say, yeah, he's

583
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 2: the guy. And I think that would have been insane.

584
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 3: Yeah right, Yeah. It's the thing, man, where look around

585
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 3: the league.

586
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 4: Now, you wouldn't have had to pay top dollar like

587
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 4: some of these guys. Look at two a tongue of

588
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 4: I looa with my Dolphins, right, look at Brock Purdy

589
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 4: with the Niners. A couple of examples, Kyler Murray. These teams, man,

590
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 4: they fall into this trap tie and time again where

591
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 4: they're like, hey, we at least have an average to

592
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 4: good quarterback somewhere in that range, and we're just gonna

593
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 4: pay him huge money.

594
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 3: It's like, why would you do that? He's not worth it.

595
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 4: And when you have to cut corners with the quality

596
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 4: of the roster because you're paying your quarterback so much

597
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 4: money and he's not good enough to compensate for those

598
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 4: deficiencies on.

599
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 3: The roster, you're screwed.

600
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 4: But these teams, time and time again, they're like, it's

601
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 4: better than not having anybody, like, at least we're winning

602
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 4: games and maybe we'll get hot at the right time,

603
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 4: and they just talk themselves into it. It's like, look

604
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 4: at the Dolphins now, man, when the roster has gotten

605
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 4: less talented than it was and two is not good

606
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 4: enough to compensate for it. This is the product you

607
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 4: get when you know the Niners have these injuries and

608
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 4: when they've had to get rid of starters, multiple starters,

609
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 4: because they're starting to devote so much money to word

610
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 4: brock Purty's monster payday, you find out he's not good

611
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 4: enough to compensate for those deficiencies.

612
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 3: It's not to say those guys stink. Tua led the

613
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 3: league in.

614
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 4: Passing yards one year, Like tu Us put up good

615
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 4: numbers at times, Parties put up good numbers at times.

616
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: But if you're being honest with.

617
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 4: Yourself, they're not worth top dollar. And that's Sam Donald too.

618
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 4: Sam Donald is not worth top dollar.

619
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: Now.

620
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 4: The Seahawks aren't paying top dollar. That's the you know,

621
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 4: the thing in their favor. But the more that you

622
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 4: like are aligning yourself with Sam Donald, you just have

623
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 4: to understand that he's not going to compensate for some

624
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 4: of the shortcomings of the roster. That's that's just where

625
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 4: he is. It's not to say he stinks, it's just

626
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 4: you want him to be a super Bowl like bound quarterback,

627
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 4: a super Bowl caliber quarterback, and.

628
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 3: If you're being honest, he's just not that.

629
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. So just because you mentioned brock Per and we can,

630
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: we can do our dead wrong stuff. To end the hour,

631
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: But I host having this conversation with a couple of

632
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: people a few weeks ago, and I said to, you know,

633
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: watching what Mac Jones is done and just watching the

634
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: forty nine ers throughout the Kyle Shanahan era, it's insane

635
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: to pay a quarterback in San Francisco. It really is, like, yeah,

636
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 2: unless it's unless it is one of those guys, like

637
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 2: because Kyle Shanahan's system. Yeah, he's done this with CJ. Bethard,

638
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: He's done this with different guys where he can win games. Now,

639
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: are they the future?

640
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: No?

641
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: But I feel like, like, well, brock Party's got to

642
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: get paid. Look at this man, he's got to be respected.

643
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, but are they better with brock Party

644
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: than they were with Mac Jones. I think it's marginal

645
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: at best. It's certainly not it's certainly not worth the

646
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: money difference between those two guys. If Kyle Shanahan's your

647
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 2: genius and you've got you know, Christian McCaffery or whatever

648
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Speaker 2: like that, pay your running back and then let your

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Speaker 2: coach be a genius and save money and a quarterback

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Speaker 2: position and just beef up everywhere else because at this

651
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Speaker 2: point all you do is move from Jimmy G to

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Speaker 2: Jimmy G to Jimmy G.

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Speaker 3: Right, right, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: It's like, man, we had knockdown dragouts about this too

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Speaker 4: in the off season. Not you and I, but right right,

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Speaker 4: me and other hosts, right, and it's like, well.

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Speaker 3: Who are you gonna get? Who are you gonna get

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Speaker 3: if it's not.

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Speaker 4: Brock Purty, And it's like, turns out it's Mac Jones,

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Speaker 4: who's doing chest as well, if not better, And he's

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Speaker 4: not thought of. It's like, oh man, you got Mac

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Speaker 4: Jones like that serious competition.

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Speaker 3: No, it's Mac Jones.

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Speaker 4: He fizzled out from a couple of places, New England, Jacksonville,

665
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Speaker 4: and it turns out he's really good in that system

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Speaker 4: with a better talent around him, you know, So it

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Speaker 4: makes a huge, huge, difference, and I just think it's

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Speaker 4: insanity to pay brock Purty that much money when you

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Speaker 4: just laid it out, the system means a whole lot,

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Speaker 4: The town around the quarterback means a whole lot.

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Speaker 3: He's good.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying that brock Purty is bad, just not special.

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Speaker 4: And that's the going rate. You have to pay quarterbacks

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Speaker 4: huge money as if they are special, and if they aren't,

675
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Speaker 4: you are going nowhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's that is extremely well said. You

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Speaker 2: can never ever overpay an elite quarterback, that's right, but

678
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Speaker 2: you can ruin your franchise. That's by overpaying an average one.

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Speaker 3: Perfect Yeah, love it exactly right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And then we're seeing it all over the league

681
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Speaker 2: and eventually some bluffs are gonna get called and we'll

682
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Speaker 2: see what the how it ends up playing out. When

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Speaker 2: you come back out of the break, we are going

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Speaker 2: to look at some of the things we've been wrong

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Speaker 2: about so far in the NFL this year. But a reminder,

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Speaker 2: So what are we just flat out boneheads about based

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Speaker 2: on our preseason predictions and what we've seen transpire in

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Speaker 2: the NFL this season. We'll do that next Two Pros

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Speaker 2: Martin here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: and a Cup of Joe. Hope they are all enjoying

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Speaker 2: a wonderful Thanksgiving morning with their families. I hope you

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Speaker 2: are too. Brian No, along with me, I'm Jason Martin.

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Speaker 2: We're in for the guys the next couple of days.

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Speaker 2: All right, b what have we been wrong about in

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Speaker 2: the NFL this season? I'm gonna I'm gonna lead off

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Speaker 2: because I just I got to get this off my chest.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was very, very just not on the RAMS this year.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, okay, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Matthew Stafford, I didn't like the health situation entering

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Speaker 2: the season. I thought he was gonna battle throughout the

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Speaker 2: year to be in the to be in the lineup. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I wasn't sure he would play double digit games this year.

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Speaker 2: And he's maybe the MVP front runner in the league

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Speaker 2: right now. Right their offense has looked spectacular, the defense

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Speaker 2: has been very, very good, and they're young and hungry.

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Speaker 2: They might be the best team in the NFL right now,

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Speaker 2: and I did not have them. I don't think I'd

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Speaker 2: have to go back and look for sure, but I

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Speaker 2: don't think I even had them in the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, It's it's one of those that you at least

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Speaker 4: have a leg to stand on of, like, well, this

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Speaker 4: is why I was saying that. And the the Stafford

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Speaker 4: back injury was a real thing in the offseason where

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Speaker 4: you know, Sean McVay would come out and be like, actually,

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Speaker 4: he's not going to be practicing against Air this week either,

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Speaker 4: and you're like, wait.

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Speaker 3: What what's going on?

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Speaker 4: So you're right, like, at least you can explain why

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Speaker 4: you were saying those things. It's not like you were

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Speaker 4: like I had the Browns winning a super Bowl and

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Speaker 4: man that was wrong as it turns out, you know

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Speaker 4: what I mean, Like you had an argument as to

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Speaker 4: why you went with that. Yeah, I'll say one of

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Speaker 4: mine was I was very strong on the Chiefs winning

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Speaker 4: their division again. It was my biggest bet of the offseason.

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Speaker 4: I bet a listener filling in for big Ben Maller. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I have to pay the guy like three hundred bucks. Oh,

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Speaker 4: they're not gonna win the divisions. I was a crazy.

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Speaker 3: Person when it came to that, as it turns out,

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Speaker 3: but they had won nine in a row.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm not buying all of this just because

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Speaker 4: the Eagles beat him in the Super Bowl. They're like

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Speaker 4: figured out by the rest of the league, like what

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Speaker 4: are we doing here? And man, they're not in the

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Speaker 4: spot to win the division. So that looks to be

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Speaker 4: dead wrong by me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, looking at just a couple of the teams

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Speaker 2: that are going to be playing here today on Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 2: I thought the Lion offense was going to be better

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Speaker 2: than it's been. Yeah, throughout this part of the season,

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Speaker 2: not that it's been like dreadful, but there has been

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Speaker 2: more of a noticeable drop off from the Ben Johnson

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Speaker 2: offense to what we've seen this year. They just don't

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Speaker 2: look quite as terrifying now. I say that, but then

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Speaker 2: when Jamir Gibbs has a football in open space, he

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Speaker 2: is basically the terminator. But like just golf and the

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Speaker 2: passing offense, it just has not to me felt quite

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Speaker 2: as crisp and scary as always expecting. I'm not particularly

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Speaker 2: blown away or surprised by what I'm seeing in Green

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Speaker 2: Bay because I've never been a particularly big Jordan Love fan,

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Speaker 2: But looking at the Lions, my preseason Super Bowl pick

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Speaker 2: was Lions Ravens, and I'm looking at both those teams

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Speaker 2: and right now I can make an argument why neither

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Speaker 2: one of them looks the part. And I think it's

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Speaker 2: surprisingly enough it is. It's the Lions offense that just

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Speaker 2: doesn't seem quite as dynamic.

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Speaker 4: Yeah right, you know, I don't know that I was

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Speaker 4: necessarily wrong about this one. It's sort of incomplete. But

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Speaker 4: I was very strong on pushing back on the thought of, hey, uh,

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Speaker 4: Jaden Daniels maybe sophomore slump. Here happened to see J.

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Speaker 4: Stroud and I'm like, they're not even close. Like stylistically,

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Speaker 4: they're so different. Jaden Daniels moves around quite a bit,

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Speaker 4: He's an athlete. C J Stroud a lot more stationary.

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Speaker 4: I just didn't think their games stylistically are very similar

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Speaker 4: at all.

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Speaker 3: Now, Jaden Daniels got hurt.

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Speaker 4: He started six games and in those six games, eight touchdowns,

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Speaker 4: two interceptions. You know, it's not like his numbers were

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Speaker 4: in the toilet by any means. So I don't think

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Speaker 4: it was necessarily a sophomore slump. So maybe I wasn't

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Speaker 4: wrong about that, but certainly for the Commanders that was

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Speaker 4: that was a big time, you know, nose dive even

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Speaker 4: before the Jade and Daniels injury. So maybe more so

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Speaker 4: the team sophomore slump than the quarterback. But that was

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Speaker 4: one that was I guess semi wrong at the very least. Right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, So one that I would also mention here

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Speaker 2: is and was one we talked about in the last segment.

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Speaker 2: That's just I didn't think the Cults are gonna be

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Speaker 2: good at all. I mean, I mean, I wasn't really

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Speaker 2: buying into the Daniel Jones side, but like, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I like Pittman, and I like and Tyler Warren's been

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Speaker 2: better even than I thought he was going to be

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Speaker 2: coming out of college. He's been extraordinary this side end position.

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Speaker 2: But Jonathan Taylor being healthy throughout the year. That's something

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Speaker 2: we haven't seen too often recently. But more than anything,

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Speaker 2: like Daniel Jones has been more than just a caretaker.

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Speaker 2: He's actually been pretty good. Like we'll see whether you

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Speaker 2: know when the slipper falls completely off, but he's not

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Speaker 2: been like there's no punchline in Indianapolis. That's just a

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Speaker 2: pretty good football team that any given week can beat you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think also, if we're being honest, everybody got this wrong.

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Speaker 4: Who had collectively the Chiefs and the Ravens both six

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00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 4: and five and the Bengals at three and eight? Like

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Speaker 4: no one had that. No one had that, you know,

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Speaker 4: that three piece combo right there? No way, And that's

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Speaker 4: where we are right now in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: We sure are and where we're going to be an

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Speaker 2: hour three, I would imagine, is a whole lot more ball,

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Speaker 2: some big games today, some big games tomorrow, big games

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Speaker 2: all weekend long. It is a cornicopia of food today

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Speaker 2: on your table, a corncopia of sports food all weekend

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Speaker 2: long for us. We'll come back our three or two

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Speaker 2: pros and a cup of Joe is straight ahead on

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