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Speaker 2: Here's the only thing I'll take away from that game.

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Speaker 2: Two things happen that are gonna be noteworthy. Everyone's going

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Speaker 2: to make a big deal about Jackson dark and absolutely

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Speaker 2: lit up on the sideline, which on him. And it's

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Speaker 2: shocking that he hasn't learned by now after all the

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Speaker 2: hits he's taken, why he would just think that he

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Speaker 2: could get an extra yard or so and no one's

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Speaker 2: going to take a shot at him a legal hit.

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Speaker 3: By the way.

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Speaker 2: And then I have no idea what happened on the kick.

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Speaker 2: I just I've never seen that before in my life.

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Speaker 4: And I don't get it, Like why did he stop? Well,

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Speaker 4: Like why did he just put his foot in the

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Speaker 4: ground Like it just seemed like it was a normal routine.

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Speaker 4: Why I don't understand why he stopped.

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Speaker 5: Maybe that patch of turf was like three inches taller

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Speaker 5: than the other around it, and so he just tripped

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Speaker 5: up on it like a little speed bump in the turf.

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Speaker 5: Maybe that's what it was. Other than that doesn't make

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Speaker 4: He just personally, I'm confused as to why Q didn't

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Speaker 4: a A three most memorable, which was the coach's decision

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Speaker 4: not to play abdual Carter were.

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Speaker 3: Going to do it.

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Speaker 4: So I mean, I wait to see, Well, I don't I.

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Speaker 3: Do my job, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: Like, I don't I don't do this like their pennstaters

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Speaker 3: I do my job, and I know that's three.

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Speaker 4: Like I thought, it was interesting how the telecast danced

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Speaker 4: around the fact that it was Like when they came

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Speaker 4: out at halftime, the reporter asked the coach, you know,

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Speaker 4: why isn't he you know, why did you sit Abdul

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Speaker 4: for the first quarter? And it was a coach's decision,

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Speaker 4: Like okay, thank you coach, and you ended the interview.

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Speaker 4: It's not even like you asked another question. So it

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Speaker 4: made that reporter feel so awkward that he would just say, oh,

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Speaker 4: it's just a football a coach's decision, Like you can't

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Speaker 4: elaborate on that, Like you do know that this is

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Speaker 4: Monday night football. You do know you're an interim head coach.

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Speaker 4: You do know that this is the New York Giants.

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Speaker 4: You do know this is the New York Giants versus

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Speaker 4: the Patriots. How do you not press the question? So

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Speaker 4: it almost seems as though it was almost like a

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Speaker 4: like even when Joe and Troy touched on it, it

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Speaker 4: was more or less a Okay, it's a coach's decision

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Speaker 4: and no context, no color to it. Generally speaking, you're

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Speaker 4: going to give a little context, a little color to

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Speaker 4: why a player isn't playing in the game, especially when

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Speaker 4: you list them as a starter on on the telecast.

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Speaker 5: You want to do you want to hear Mike Kafka afterwards, absolutely,

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Speaker 5: interim head coach, here was him, hopefully answering the question

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Speaker 5: that everybody wants to know why Abdul Carter was benched

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Speaker 5: for the start of that game.

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Speaker 6: You know, I talked with that duel about this week

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Speaker 6: and decided to not play them for the first two series.

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Speaker 6: This was just strictly my decision to not play him

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Speaker 6: this week early in the game, early in the game,

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Speaker 6: and he listened. When he came back in the game,

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Speaker 6: you saw the kind of impact he had and the

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Speaker 6: player that this guy is, and I this is a

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Speaker 6: this is a kid that I again I back. I

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Speaker 6: support this kill highly and for any young player that

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Speaker 6: we have on the roster, whether it's a duel or

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Speaker 6: any rookie or young player, We're gonna make sure we

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Speaker 6: take them under our wing and continue to develop these

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Speaker 6: and them duels no different, just like Jackson, just like

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Speaker 6: you know, young players like Tracy and da all these

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Speaker 2: You know, these are the guys that.

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Speaker 6: We're continuing to develop, continuing to grow, continue to be pros.

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Speaker 6: And you know, the standards that we have in our

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Speaker 6: to them. But that was my decision, my decision only.

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Speaker 6: Anything else else outside of it, it's gonna be kept

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Speaker 3: I mean, speak to the last part of what you said.

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Speaker 4: You know, Shody danced around it with with lamb and pickings.

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Speaker 4: Why do co if you're going to make a disciplinary

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Speaker 2: What well? I mean, as far as what's been alleged

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Speaker 3: Do he? It doesn't matter. We can't go into what's

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Speaker 4: Get a snorl Why are you not going But why

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Speaker 4: are you not going to talk about it? If that's

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Speaker 4: be asked about it. Like even that explanation that he

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Speaker 4: just gave, he gave no context until the end. He says, Okay,

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Speaker 4: there's a standard. It's a very high standard, and everybody's

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Speaker 4: going to be held to it.

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Speaker 3: What exactly are you talking about?

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Speaker 4: Like, you don't have to go into the gory gory

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Speaker 4: did X, Like go ahead, Q.

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Speaker 3: What is it alleged that he X?

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Speaker 4: What he did that would lead to him not living

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Speaker 4: up to this standard of what being a New York

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Speaker 3: That's what I want to know.

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Speaker 2: Let's do this. Do we have the sound of Abdull Carter?

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Speaker 2: Do we have it? Jonas?

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Speaker 5: No, we don't have Abdual card I think we do.

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Speaker 2: We're just working on it.

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Speaker 7: That's efforting, efforting, efforting now, So it's not a great explanation,

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Speaker 7: But I do think that we have to be have

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Speaker 7: some integrity here and make sure that we hear from

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Speaker 7: not just a coach but also the player.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to be fair to all parties here.

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Speaker 2: Correct, before we started throwing around some allegations that you

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Speaker 2: know aren't very flattering.

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Speaker 3: They're not flattering.

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Speaker 2: Again, sure, Lorne, I think there's a clip of it.

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Speaker 2: You can just hear the beginning part. So well, it's

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Speaker 2: ready if you want it, all right, let's do it justified.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I let my team down the first

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Speaker 2: I was out the excore seventeen points.

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Speaker 3: I'll take that. I take responsibility for that. I gotta

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Speaker 2: I gotta do better.

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Speaker 5: I mean, sounds responsible to me.

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Speaker 2: You know, yea sounds doesn't really want to say what

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Speaker 2: exactly happened. But now more your this is more your

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Speaker 5: I'm just a fair and bounce reporter, So I mean

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Speaker 5: there now. Jordan Renan, who covers the Giants for ESPN,

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Speaker 5: he said that Abdul Carter this came out a short

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Speaker 5: time ago that Abdul Carter was benched for the first

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Speaker 5: quarter of the game because of tardiness. It was the

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Speaker 5: second time in three games that the rookie linebacker was disciplined.

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Speaker 5: So this just standard tardiness.

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Speaker 3: It happened that that's all you're going with.

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Speaker 5: It's all so there's that. Then there was a report

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Speaker 5: that came out earlier on from Wesley Steinberg, who I'm

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Speaker 5: almost positive this is a fake account.

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Speaker 3: I was about to say, who is he?

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Speaker 5: I don't know. I'm not sure so this was this

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Speaker 5: report from Wesley Steinberg. The Giants defense Van Abdul Carter

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Speaker 5: will miss the first drive tonight for disciplinary reasons after

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Speaker 5: getting caught watching porn in a team meeting when his

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Speaker 4: Now, what do you mean? What is headphones disconnected? What

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Speaker 2: Listened?

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Speaker 5: He had his headphones in and he was watching, you know, something.

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Speaker 4: On but didn't know that he had his headphones disconnected.

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Speaker 4: So the sound he popped out was going out through

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they popped out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which, you know, I gotta be honest with you,

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that's the first time that's probably ever

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Speaker 3: Well, so definitely is not unique. Yeah, and that's not

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Speaker 4: I'm just saying that's not There are some really, really

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Speaker 4: nasty dudes that be in locker rooms.

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Speaker 2: That's right, and I would say it's more on the

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Speaker 3: We got.

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Speaker 4: The names that popped into my head immediately were receivers.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, receiver. Receivers are the biggest freaks in locker rooms. Man,

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking about a few defensive players in the back of.

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Speaker 4: My head right now, and that I'm like, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking of a few. And that was before you

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Speaker 4: had internet traveling, you know, stuff like that. Like, I'm

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Speaker 4: talking dudes at many DVD movie TV players.

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Speaker 3: What about porn?

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Speaker 5: What about tight ends that may or may not be

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's next level. Yeah, that's next level freak.

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Speaker 4: But that's a that's an offensive player. I mean, you home,

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Speaker 2: This is an interesting conversation. In the actual game itself, you're.

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Speaker 3: Running out their homeless shorties. Man, come on, bro, good dude.

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Speaker 5: Us really repped your engine on that shopping cart.

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Speaker 4: In the cart, come on, ben, dude was riding his

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Speaker 4: Come on, man, you could do better than that. But

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Speaker 4: that's a But listen, people be allowing dudes to get

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Speaker 4: away with stuff like, Okay, if you felt like this

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Speaker 4: let's just say whatever it is that he did, if

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Speaker 4: it if it required you to feel like you were

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Speaker 4: going to discipline him by holding him out for a

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Speaker 4: series or two or the first quarter, that's really no

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Speaker 4: standard building to me. That's not that's not a significant

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Speaker 4: movement of we're disciplining you. We're helping you to understand

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Speaker 4: pro level, like what do you mean You're like you

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Speaker 4: don't need a father figure?

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Speaker 3: Sorry, I mean if if somebody becomes a father figure

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Speaker 3: to you at the league level, like that's that's interesting

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Speaker 3: at some point, grow the f up?

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Speaker 5: Is that a George Michael song? Father figure?

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Speaker 3: It is? I don't know, is it?

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Speaker 2: Which appropriate?

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Speaker 4: It wouldn't have been the intro song that we listened

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Speaker 4: Michaels and that wasn't father.

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Speaker 5: I mean, And by the way, if the story is true,

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Speaker 5: he was just watching it, you know. I mean, it's

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Speaker 5: not like we don't know.

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Speaker 4: We don't know that because nobody's really putting it out there.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he put it out there. If that if

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Speaker 4: that's true.

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Speaker 5: Now, does this impact his standing within Styck City or

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Speaker 5: does it give new meaning to that term.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what's true or what's not true, and

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Speaker 4: and and me and I do don't communicate, So I

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Speaker 4: don't you know, I don't know what he's got going on,

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Speaker 4: you know, I I don't know if he's okay. I

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Speaker 4: don't you know, I don't know what he's got going on.

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Speaker 3: I hit the nerd.

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Speaker 4: Now, I hit the nerd closest to me upside the

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Speaker 4: As far as though I was in grade school, Q,

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Speaker 4: The Penhouse always felt was better because it was more

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Speaker 3: Of Yeah you could, you could. And they became celebrities

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Speaker 2: Well, stupid, we're just trying to get to the bottom

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: You know? Was it in English? You know? I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Now did he use your browser's password or does he

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Speaker 4: I don't know what that is and I do not

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Speaker 3: What is that?

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Speaker 5: I don't know?

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Speaker 3: Spell it.

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Speaker 5: And give you yours?

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Speaker 3: Spell it, give you yours.

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Speaker 8: That when this subject took a turn, well, I just

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Speaker 8: Look, these days, it's very easy to be on your

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Speaker 3: Hey, that's a good one. That's a good one, coop.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but isn't that based on algorithm? Not necessarily, they

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Speaker 4: Not necessarily, because what what will happen is they'll actually

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Speaker 2: I mean, what are you talking about right now?

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Speaker 3: Did you hear what Coop just said?

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Speaker 2: Damn yes? But like, how what does that do with

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Speaker 4: Because you're you're advertising to a certain demographic of people,

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Speaker 3: It clearly went.

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Speaker 2: I was just throwing out hypotheticals.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what that you put yourself in the game.

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Speaker 3: You gotta play. You put yourself in, coach, put me in.

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Speaker 2: Bruh, Well, I want to give you a chance to

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Speaker 8: I think I think it's he's just saying correctly that

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Speaker 3: Now you're scrolling?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly exactly.

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Speaker 8: So if I if I click on a picture of

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Speaker 4: Like yeah, but it doesn't say that it's just somebody

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Speaker 5: There and what's there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Cuoe, what was it? What you got busted for?

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Speaker 8: I'm talking about what maybe happen to Abduall Carter out frame.

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Speaker 5: Hey, should we get into the uh, the debacle that

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Speaker 2: but usually that's coming from the play caller, so he's

440
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 2: not going to mess up the call. So this entire

441
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 2: point report for coming from Tom Pelsero, and I know

442
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 2: it comes from an agent because that's always how it works.

443
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 2: Most of those guys just get their information from an agent.

444
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 2: Is I mean, it's hard to believe it's factual. You know,

445
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 2: are there going to be times where something wasn't tagged

446
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 2: the right way or something else potentially, or maybe there's

447
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 2: some confusion too, depending on the process of how they

448
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 2: go about calling plays. But to sit there and throw

449
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 2: it on Ship Kelly, it feels like there's something else

450
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 2: at play here. And if I was to tell you

451
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 2: LeVar that Nate Carroll and Brennan Carroll, who are Pete

452
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 2: Carroll's sons, are both on that offensive staff O line

453
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 2: run game coordinator, wouldn't that concern you a little bit

454
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 2: once you think, like, Okay, he was maybe trying to

455
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 2: preserve his sons and put the blame on Ship Kelly,

456
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 2: when in reality this past week that offense looked no different.

457
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 2: It looked like the same damn offensive looked like all year,

458
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: and the same offense that Pete Carroll brought from Seattle

459
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,160
Speaker 2: back during his time there as head coach. It didn't

460
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: look anything like what we saw from chip Kelly out

461
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 2: Ohio State last year or anything that I've seen with

462
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 2: chip Kelly's offense in the past. So they can point

463
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 2: the blame all the one at chip Kelly, But the

464
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 2: reality is this felt more like they were trying to

465
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Speaker 2: protect their family and what this offense looks like in Las.

466
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Speaker 3: Vegas, oh because they're a family ain't done winning.

467
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Speaker 4: Yeat Listen, it's a It's an interesting theory, I'll say that.

468
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 4: And nepotism is one hundred percent a very real deal,

469
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 4: and so is self preservation. And when you're in the

470
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 4: power rankings at number thirty one out of thirty two,

471
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:56,359
Speaker 4: there have to be some consequences. And here's the thing

472
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Speaker 4: I would say in this scenari hold the ship, hold

473
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 4: the line, and continue to build and see where you

474
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 4: can get to in year two and year three. But

475
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 4: because of the precedents that has been set by what

476
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:21,239
Speaker 4: they've done in years past, a La Antonio Pierce, you

477
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 4: didn't give that same grace to him last season. And

478
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 4: if I'm Pete Carroll, you probably came in and did

479
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 4: your interview and said.

480
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:34,719
Speaker 3: Look at this roster.

481
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 4: Give me this roster along with my coaching staff that

482
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Speaker 4: I will assemble. Here's the list of guys, and we're

483
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 4: going to win next year. Oh that's right, we're gonna

484
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 4: get it done. And you know what, that's probably what

485
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 4: one of the selling points was for Pete Carroll to

486
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 4: get this job. So for them to be as poor

487
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 4: as they are. Two wins, two wins, and your offense stinks,

488
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 4: and your defense stinks, and your team stinks, which means

489
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 4: you're coaching stinks. You can try to pinpoint one person

490
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 4: if you like, You can make it about hey, it

491
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 4: was the offensive coordinator's fault. Hey, it was the defensive

492
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 4: coordinator's fault. The preservation here, I don't even think it's

493
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 4: for his kids, it's for him. It's for Pete Carroll himself,

494
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 4: an aging coach that came back out of after losing

495
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 4: his job in Seattle, where he had full control. They said,

496
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 4: he didn't answer to nobody.

497
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 3: The owner left him to do what he wanted to do.

498
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Speaker 3: You step into this situation here and you can't do

499
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 3: any better than two wins, and you're looking at a

500
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Speaker 3: guy that took a team that was in pretty pretty

501
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 3: bad shape in some regards in New England, and he

502
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 3: turns it around in one year.

503
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 4: You see a guy go into Chicago and he's turning

504
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 4: around the team in one year.

505
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 3: Like you see a guy.

506
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 4: Go into these situations and they're able to do this.

507
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 4: But Pete Carroll is over here and he has had

508
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 4: horrible results. I think it's not only self preservation over

509
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 4: his kids that are on the offensive side of the ball,

510
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 4: but it is it more specifically, in my estimation, it's

511
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 4: over him because at this point it's over Johnny.

512
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 3: If he loses his job based off of this, it's over.

513
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 3: You can forget about it. Say that because it's old,

514
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 3: crusty ass. They're gonna retire him to a retirement home.

515
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 3: They ain't taking him nowhere but to that that.

516
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 4: Little house where you get three four naps a day,

517
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 4: you get three hots.

518
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 3: And and and you play board games.

519
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,959
Speaker 5: Let me ask you this. There you go, let me

520
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 5: ask you this. Who's done a better job, Pete Carroll

521
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 5: or Bill Belichick.

522
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 3: It's a funny question.

523
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 4: Well, I'm gonna say Bill Belichick because he gets he

524
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 4: gets happy action, fun time off the field.

525
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 5: That's correct.

526
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: What does it get LeVar?

527
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 3: Happy action, fun time?

528
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: What's wrong with you?

529
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 5: That is correct?

530
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: Happy action? Fun time.

531
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Speaker 5: The Raiders are unwatchable bad, like really really bad. And

532
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 5: and this this whole concept that's my favorite part. When

533
00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:00,239
Speaker 5: bad teams make coaching decision or coaching moves, like what

534
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 5: do you really think is going to happen? It's rare

535
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 5: that a team makes a coaching move and the team

536
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, you know, goes on a heater.

537
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 5: They did a little bit with Antonio Peers, the Raiders did.

538
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 5: They did a little bit with rich Bassacia. But if

539
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 5: you go back to when Urban Meyer was fired by

540
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 5: the Jaguars, they still sucked. When eber Flus was fired

541
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 5: by the Bears, they still sucked. The Giants move on

542
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 5: from Brian day Ball, they still suck. So this idea

543
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 5: that one guy, specifically a coordinator, is the reason to

544
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 5: blame for why you're bad. When the offensive lines had issues,

545
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,719
Speaker 5: Bowers has been banged up, as we've talked about, and

546
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 5: Gino Smith just hasn't played well. To me, it's just

547
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 5: a bad look. It's a rap move, it feels like,

548
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 5: and it feels like people there are just doing whatever

549
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 5: they can and not be accountable for their poor profile.

550
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 3: And by the way, the Seattle Seahawks, how good are

551
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 3: they this year?

552
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? Balling?

553
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 4: How are they doing? Where are they at post Pete Carroll?

554
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 4: So let's not act as though. Let's not act as

555
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 4: though the Pete Carroll effect, which in the past has

556
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 4: been real, it's a real effect, it's a real impact.

557
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 4: What he brings to the table is very real. But

558
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 4: where we're at today it's not. It's a very real

559
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 4: miss and they got to live with that. You brought

560
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 4: Geno Smith in as the franchise guy because you trusted

561
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 4: Pete Carroll. That move and not move alone Mike should

562
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 4: constitute the idea of possibly saying, you know what, maybe

563
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 4: he's to the point now where he's not fit to

564
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 4: be a head coach in the National Football League because

565
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 4: you damn sure had ap doing it with two backups

566
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 4: last year. I didn't think he the choice he wanted

567
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 4: was in the draft, and they did not make the

568
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 4: move to try to get the two players that he

569
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 4: was trying to bring in to start the rebuild of

570
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 4: this team. Until you start the rebuild from the bottom up,

571
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 4: foundational pieces, this team is going to continue to struggle

572
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 4: and it's going to continue to get the same results.

573
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 4: And if you have a head coach making the decisions

574
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Speaker 4: like bringing in this guy thinking that he's going to

575
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 4: be the starter that changes the you know, the fortunes

576
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 4: of this franchise.

577
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: Then if you're.

578
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 4: Judging all things given, all things, even if you're judging evenly,

579
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 4: then Pete Carroll should be on the scrap heap on

580
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 4: Black or Black Monday as well.

581
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 3: Right, and just being real.

582
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: All I know is Chip Kelly will end up making

583
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 2: one point six four million dollars per game that he

584
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: was the coordinator for in Las Vegas. He had signed

585
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: a three year, eighteen million dollars deal. That's six million teer.

586
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: You can obviously, oh yeah, and you can obviously see why.

587
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 3: Let's coach q D.

588
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: He left Ohio State he got.

589
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 4: Ain't paying us enough. Man, come on, let's go coach.

590
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 4: We'll leave Joe this here. Jonas wants to coach. Jonas

591
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 4: wants to do Radio Boy himself. Anyway, come on, let's

592
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 4: go coach man.

593
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: That's kind of true.

594
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and

595
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and

596
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:17,239
Speaker 1: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.

597
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 2: As of this moment, right, now pretty fantastic. No, it's incredible.

598
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: You can bet on anything. It's like future odds on everything.

599
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: Uh Kalani Sataki has a sixteen percent chance according to

600
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 2: this live betting market. Brian Hartline now is at eighteen percent.

601
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: But it's Jeff Brom, the current head coach at Louisville,

602
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: who actually is the odds on favorite to be the

603
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: next head coach that we are Penn State. And I

604
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: gotta tell you who's the odds on favorite, Jeff Brom. Okay,

605
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: And I gotta tell you I would love it if

606
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: that was the higher for Penn State. I think this

607
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: is one of the more underrated coaches in college football.

608
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 2: I think he's maximized a lot of what he's had

609
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: wherever he's been going, from his time at you know,

610
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: Purdue and now obviously at at Louisville. I think if

611
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: he goes to Penn State, he can recruit, he can coach,

612
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: and he'll find quarterbacks. Like I just I would love

613
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: that for him and for Penn State. I think it'd

614
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 2: be a really really good job there, and then there's

615
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: a domino effect there. You know, you'd be looking at

616
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: the potential now of you know what happens with Brian Harline.

617
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Speaker 2: Does he look at Louisville, does he look at potentially Kentucky,

618
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: which he's rumored to be interviewing for so a lot

619
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: of things up in there right now. But again, nowhere

620
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Speaker 2: else in the world can you find the Church of

621
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Speaker 2: Latter Day Saints teaming up with Crumble Cookies to try

622
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: to find a way of keeping their head Coach.

623
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Speaker 5: I mean, like, who do you got in that one

624
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 5: Church of Latter Day Saints and Crumble Cookies or you know,

625
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 5: Penn State and Primanny.

626
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: The Pagoula family. I don't know. It's it's it's pretty wild.

627
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 3: He is not the same as Pagoula. It's two different families.

628
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 3: But yeah, but go ahead. You know one is in Buffalo,

629
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 3: and I mean it's your alma mater, bro.

630
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Speaker 2: You tell me, because I find all this stuff fascinating.

631
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 3: Is it is fascinating. It's fascinating listening, lebar, what are

632
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 3: you hearing? I'm not hearing anything.

633
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,240
Speaker 5: Why can't you can we just give us some intel,

634
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 5: like something? Can you throw us a bone, like throw something?

635
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,799
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm just curious. So the the percentages that

636
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 4: are being thrown out there none of them included Terry

637
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 4: Smith on there none of I didn't hear you say

638
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 4: Kaylin de boor either, like.

639
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: I didn't say killing the boor, I didn't say Brian Dable.

640
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of former players pushing for

641
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: Brian Dable behind the scenes. Supposedly he interviewed very well,

642
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: which he does interview.

643
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 3: They work up Bobby.

644
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 4: You didn't bring up Bobby Ingram, Like there's there's a

645
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 4: couple of guys that are interviewing that are well.

646
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Speaker 2: I'm sure a It sounds like there's been a wide

647
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 2: net that's been casting, so I don't doubt that, but

648
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how many have a legitimate shot.

649
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 3: So okay, it's interesting.

650
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think I'm much like why nobody else

651
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 4: with vested interest. We're just waiting to see what happens.

652
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 3: That's all.

653
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 5: No offense. But why would kaln Debor leave Alabama for?

654
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 4: Why would you say no, no offense? If he were

655
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 4: to leave, it would be the same reason. Why why

656
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 4: the you know Lane Kiffin left the old.

657
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 2: Miss No, it would be different reason.

658
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 4: Well, what would be the different reason? It's the bottom

659
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 4: line to me, that's it. That's always the same reason

660
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 4: to tell you. If I'm getting more money, then I'm

661
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 4: going like, that's hey. I if ESPN came to me

662
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 4: and said we're gonna give you X amount of more

663
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 4: than what you're making that Fox, I'd be like ce Jonas,

664
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Speaker 4: I love y'all heading over to Yes, I'm gonna catch you.

665
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 3: I'm gonna check y'all trust I like that.

666
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 2: But I also think there's other things that play into

667
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: to that. If the money's equal to that, you know,

668
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 2: maybe someone's not happy with with where they're at and

669
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: how that's all going, because.

670
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 4: People do want them out of there at Alabama, right,

671
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 4: That's what I well.

672
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 2: There's people who aren't necessarily happy with how things have gone,

673
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 2: which it was always gonna be tough to fill the

674
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 2: shoes of the greatest college football head coach of all time,

675
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 2: you know, so that was gonna be a tough task regardless.

676
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: But I do think that they're you know, if your

677
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 2: family's unhappy or you're not liking where you're at, how

678
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: things are going. Even though you'd have to say he's

679
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 2: done a pretty decent job, there will be a most

680
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 2: likely a playoff team this year. I mean, most people

681
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 2: think that regardless of the outcome and the SEC championship

682
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: game they're in. I'm not one of those people who

683
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 2: feels that way, but we I don't think the committee

684
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: is going to ding them for playing in the conference championship.

685
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 4: M That's who I'm looking at if if it were,

686
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 4: And I guess I'll this be my first time maybe

687
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 4: even saying anything publicly about you know, obviously, I think

688
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 4: what makes it complicated is that James Franklin is a

689
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 4: fine football coach and the fact that he's a fine

690
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 4: football coach, and.

691
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: You know it it ended the way that it did

692
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 3: with him.

693
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 4: I think that that creates a level of a standard

694
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 4: or and I guess, listen, either way, you were going

695
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 4: to need to bring in somebody who you feel is

696
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 4: going to get you to that next level. I think

697
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 4: that's what I'm the point I'm trying to get at.

698
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 4: So and so that's I mean, that's the the great

699
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 4: question here is I feel like that's.

700
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 3: An unknown with Terry. But Terry has a lot of

701
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 3: assets and built a little bit of of kind of

702
00:37:55,840 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 3: goodwill with how he has finished out the season. So

703
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 3: there's that conversation. Is he the guy that can do it?

704
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 3: You know?

705
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 4: I think that would remain to be seen, but I

706
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 4: know the players love them and there there's just much

707
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 4: like we were mentioning with day Ball. Uh, there's a

708
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 4: lot of Letterman and a lot of players that are

709
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 4: taking strong stances on wanting Terry Smith to get the

710
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 4: job as well, like O. J McDuffie, Mike Robinson, guys

711
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 4: like that.

712
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 3: Go where you're going to say, John, sticks picks. That's

713
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 3: not what I'm saying. That's not a sticks pick though.

714
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 4: So you're sitting there doing like you're you're motioning to

715
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 4: do a sticks pick, but that's not there's no stick.

716
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: There's no sticks picks. Yeah, okay.

717
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 3: Uh.

718
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: One thing that's been reported out there too that is

719
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 2: uh an interesting note and again and this makes it

720
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 2: all you know, to me pretty fascinating, is was James

721
00:38:54,280 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 2: Franklin represented by Jimmy Sexton. I don't know all that, Okay, Well,

722
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: the reason why I bring that up and I don't

723
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 2: and I believe that's the case that uh, Jimmy Sexton

724
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 2: was upset that Penn State moved on from James Franklin

725
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,360
Speaker 2: the way that they did with it. So there's a

726
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: thought that the largest coaches agent, power broker for c AA,

727
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: Jimmy Sexton, you know, maybe holding it a little bit

728
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: against Patcraft and making this a much more difficult process.

729
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: And I think part of that process is going to

730
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: be more difficult too when he has Kaitlyn de Wore,

731
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: for example, as a client. So some of the candidates

732
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: that we're talking about for the Penn State job are

733
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: candidates that are, you know, again with the same agent

734
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 2: that you just fired that coach with. So you just

735
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: dealt with that in that respect. Now you're you're that

736
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: university looking for other head coaching candidates, and Jimmy Sexton

737
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 2: may be saying, yeah, I don't know, Caitlyn, maybe you're

738
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: better off where you're at, you know, maybe the grass

739
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:53,919
Speaker 2: is in greener here.

740
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 4: So there is there is that There's that possibility. Yeah,

741
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 4: I mean, there is that possibility, but.

742
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: It's there's a relationship to between the agent and the

743
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: athletic director that could be strained. There are some reports

744
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: out there that are you know, hinting at some of that.

745
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: So again, a lot of drama going on in regards

746
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: to the college football world the hiring cycle, but it

747
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like it's it's done yet. It feels like

748
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 2: once this Penn State Domino drops, There'll be more that

749
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 2: come along with that. And again we're already seeing some

750
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: of the lower jobs like a I should say lower,

751
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: but a group of six jobs you know, Memphis, USF

752
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 2: a number of other you know, opportunities have opened up,

753
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 2: so those are smaller. But I think once this whole

754
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: thing gets figured out between Colonie Sataki and BYU and

755
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 2: Penn State, then we'll start to, you know, see what

756
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:43,959
Speaker 2: other candidates are potentially out there.

757
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 4: Are you Are you able to bet on who isn't

758
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 4: going to get the job?

759
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 9: Uh?

760
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually you can. And by the way, as we

761
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: keep talking, the odds that have changed, Jeff Bram's a

762
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: forty six percent chance now is odds that continue to

763
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: go up. Uh, Colon Takias, he's pushed ahead of Brian Hartline,

764
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 2: but the talk is now a twenty five percent. So hm, all.

765
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 5: Right, I mean I did do a little bit of research.

766
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 4: When I get flagged if i've if I cast a bet,

767
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 4: like if I put a big bet out there and

768
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 4: and bet on you might not do.

769
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 2: You want me to be with you?

770
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 3: Yeah?

771
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 2: Okay. By the way, there's about three point almost three

772
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: point six million dollars that have been placed on this

773
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 2: specific topic on this site. That's pretty heavy volume.

774
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 3: But my.

775
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 2: I guess comment to that would be, you can go

776
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 2: ahead and place a bet because there's nothing you've provided

777
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 2: us that have lent us any direction whatsoever where this

778
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: thing's going.

779
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 3: So I would be good with my bet.

780
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 2: I think so, because I gotta be honest with you.

781
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know what's going on or not,

782
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 2: Like you've led us to believe that you have no

783
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 2: idea what's.

784
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 3: Happening there, don't.

785
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 5: By that way, Bet, there's a there's a Crumble Cookies, uh,

786
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 5: four miles from Beaver Stadium in State College. So if

787
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 5: Sataki's like, you know what, why don't I just go

788
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 5: take the Mormon bake goods all the way over to

789
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 5: State College and just be a part of this whole process.

790
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 5: Here go coach up LeVar Arrington. The second. I mean,

791
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 5: there's one right there nearby. So if Crumble really wants

792
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 5: to get their hands dirty and get involved, just keep

793
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 5: it local too.

794
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting, I've had Crumble Cookies in State College.

795
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 3: So there you go. Yeah, there is a Crumbled.

796
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 5: I didn't know that was a Mormon company. I'll be

797
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 5: honest with.

798
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 3: You, I didn't know that either.

799
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 2: I don't know about a Mormon company, but I have

800
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: to go started by a gentleman who who happens to

801
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: be Mormon.

802
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 5: H I said, Mormon cousins started it.

803
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 2: Jason McGowan, I believe it's the CEO. Yeah, I was

804
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: a big BYU Donable.

805
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 4: It was funny too, referring was that going to exer

806
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 4: self control? It was going to be funny too. It

807
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 4: was funny, like I laughed about it on the inside

808
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 4: before I was about to say it, and then I

809
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, Price didn't say it.

810
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 3: I want to say it.

811
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 5: LeVar, can you narrow down? If you can't say that,

812
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 5: I think Terry Smith.

813
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 2: Well, let me put it this way. Who if you

814
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: were a betting guy, if you were going to put

815
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 2: who would you bet on right now? Because again, the

816
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: betting favorite Jeff Brahm has about a coin flip chance

817
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 2: right now of getting the head coaching job, and that

818
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: was not at any point in time that you have mentioned.

819
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 2: So again, I think you're safe to bet because I

820
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: don't feel like you have any clue what's going on

821
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: there at Penn State.

822
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 4: There you go that's that's a great that's a great conclusion.

823
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 4: That's a wonderful conclusion, and that's what we'll stick with.

824
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 4: So if I place a bet then and if my

825
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 4: bet happens to hit, then I'm okay.

826
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 3: I'm in clear because I don't know anything. I really don't.

827
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 2: Man, people are laying a bunch of bets. Is this you, Jonas?

828
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 5: No?

829
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 2: No, I'm just watching the volume of these bets go up.

830
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 5: I would also encourage you guys, based on this past

831
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 5: week's results, to steer clear of betting in general.

832
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 2: Oh that's a good point. By the way, Should I

833
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 2: give you an update on our spread? Really bad for me,

834
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: really bad for me. You weren't much better, and then

835
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 2: Jonas was just barely over over five hundred.

836
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 5: But the best of the week.

837
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 2: Right right, suck Good job, Jonas.

838
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 3: Jonas was legitimate. Okay, I was one and four.

839
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: I didn't put myself last there because LeVar gave you

840
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: a hard time last week and then LeVar you went

841
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 2: two and four. So for the season, Jonas is now

842
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: back to five hundred. God, it's been a lot of

843
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 2: work for you to get there, Jonas, good job, LeVar.

844
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: You were at forty one and forty seven, so you're

845
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 2: trending in the wrong direction. And then I'm that forty

846
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 2: nine and thirty one, so still in the lead by

847
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 2: a decent manner.

848
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 5: Whens, Whens, I don't.

849
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 3: Even care about this.

850
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 4: Just so we're clear on this, Like we're clear, you

851
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 4: can stand up, do your little victory dance.

852
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 3: Little corn ball.

853
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 2: Byways, not an eight. Not a great week. We did.

854
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 2: We did get one back closer to five hundred, but

855
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: we're two games back from five hundred with the conference

856
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 2: championship weekend ago. So we'll be unloading.

857
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 5: The clip for conference championship weekend, that is for sure.

858
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,279
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863
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Speaker 5: So yeah, listen, maybe we'll get an answer. Maybe we'll

864
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 5: get an answer on the the Penn State head coaching job.

865
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 2: I did see a bunch of two dollars bets go through,

866
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 2: and that's that's Jonas's wheelhouse.

867
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 3: Since that's.

868
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 4: Big money, big money, I bet that much.

869
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what though, I mean the volumes increasing.

870
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: It's fun to watch this thing. This is, this is

871
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 2: a really fascinating sight.

872
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 5: I mean listening, you guys have you guys have got influence.

873
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 5: I mean that people. People are listening, People are wanting

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Speaker 5: to get involved, you know, they want to. I want

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Speaker 5: to try and make some coin off this. So but

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Speaker 5: LaVar told us man Terry Smith's going to be the guy.

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Speaker 3: So I did not say that, LaVar.

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Speaker 2: You really haven't said anything like if you had to occur,

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Speaker 2: I had to say, who you think it's gonna be?

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Speaker 2: Who do you think it's gonna be?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: This ain't Star Wars bro Like, you're not going to

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Speaker 4: Jedi mind trick me into saying something like I'm telling you, guys,

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Speaker 4: I don't know anything. That's That's what it is. I

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Speaker 4: don't know anything. I'm just waiting, just like everybody else