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Speaker 1: presented by Wingstuff where Flavor gets its wings. Now, your hosts,
Speaker 1: Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross Thursday
Speaker 1: eleven thirty four were late and it's my fault. But
Speaker 1: you know what, you guys still get paid the same
Speaker 1: for less work. So you're welcome eleven thirty four PM
Speaker 1: or AM live from the Star in Frisco. You will
Speaker 1: shortly be looking out at Tostito's championship plaza here at
Speaker 1: Ford Center at the Star in Frisco. There just sixty
Speaker 1: two degrees, feels like sixty one degrees. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: sixty six high, and tonight it will be forty at Chile,
Speaker 1: forty one degrees. Fellas seventeen games, seventeen games, more football.
Speaker 1: How are y'all doing today? Nate, you're smiling, Kurt, you're smiling.
Speaker 1: Jesse's texting the trailer park. What's happening? Fellas well? He
Speaker 1: just got out of shower. He worked strong on the
Speaker 1: trailer park today. He just got out of the shower.
Speaker 1: You know, hey, listen man, you know, man, when you're
Speaker 1: dealing with them hogs, man, you can't. You got you
Speaker 1: got to be ready, baby, you got hey, hey, be
Speaker 1: kind of prime called me the Hawks and don't do that.
Speaker 1: You work. Oh man. So we got more football now,
Speaker 1: we got seventeen games, three preseason games. If you ask me,
Speaker 1: there's no way they're gonna stop until you get eighteen games,
Speaker 1: because now you have one more either home or away game,
Speaker 1: and they alternate each year, and that's just not good
Speaker 1: for the bottom line, is it. So we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to even that out to where we got to have
Speaker 1: an extra home game for sure every year. Right at
Speaker 1: some point, that's where we're heading. I love it. I
Speaker 1: love it. I love it. I don't know I love
Speaker 1: it if I was playing, I love it. The preseason games.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's where I tell on the body. But
Speaker 1: you know, there's more money for the players. Uh really,
Speaker 1: let's let's let's let's let's say it may not be
Speaker 1: a great amount more, let's a little bit more. Let's
Speaker 1: it's a little bit more. I'm glad that you said that.
Speaker 1: I'm glad to stop Jest. You're not gonna take away
Speaker 1: my glory brow, Jess, I'm not. I'm just going to
Speaker 1: go ahead on, Jess. I want to hear what the
Speaker 1: great one has to say. Because when you start talking
Speaker 1: about there's more money for the players, right right, we
Speaker 1: all know that this league is top heavy, right all
Speaker 1: that you're the bulk of teams. Salaries go to a
Speaker 1: small percentage of the football teams. So when you talk
Speaker 1: talking about more money, yeah, your quarterbacks will get more money,
Speaker 1: your your your your top tackles will get more money.
Speaker 1: But when you start talking about the triple down effect
Speaker 1: is the quarterback will get more money, the defensive tackle
Speaker 1: will get more money, I mean defensive vading more money
Speaker 1: than off your attackle will getting more money. The owners
Speaker 1: are getting more money, But what about the bottom part
Speaker 1: of that roster who takes the same beating, go to
Speaker 1: the same training, can't put the same amount of game.
Speaker 1: Guys like Jesse Holly, we don't really get a huge increase.
Speaker 1: Always bringing we're always about Jesse. If I don't think
Speaker 1: about the little people, who will me Because I'm a
Speaker 1: person I have I can never be a little person.
Speaker 1: But I was in your category. But but but you
Speaker 1: are in the category and then you elevated out. I
Speaker 1: would say this, young Jesse. I would say this, young Jesse,
Speaker 1: this is a plus. This is a positive. Uh and
Speaker 1: for God, for coaches, which is most coaches who like
Speaker 1: veteran guys that give you a libit of leadway on
Speaker 1: a young guy, you know, getting into the season quick
Speaker 1: and taking away of preseason game. But I'd tell like
Speaker 1: this him my friend. In the long run, maybe not
Speaker 1: these first few years, but in the long run, I
Speaker 1: think this to benefit the players, you know, and I know,
Speaker 1: to benefit the fans, and to give you one more
Speaker 1: game to gravel and crowd over your team. We just
Speaker 1: had one more game, maybe would have guy THEID. We'll
Speaker 1: win this one more game. You can get into playoffs.
Speaker 1: This deal is one hundred percent about the owners. It's
Speaker 1: a long term in all of the terms. Because just
Speaker 1: one game. Just think about this, like, for example, the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys and their seventeenth game of the season will
Speaker 1: play the New England Patriots. That that's gonna be a
Speaker 1: sold out game. Regardless, that's gonna be a sold out game,
Speaker 1: whether it's in uh Foxborough or whether it's in Arlington.
Speaker 1: That's going to be a sold out game, So that
Speaker 1: means more increased revenue at the concession stands, parking, more merchandise,
Speaker 1: more shadowed, more, more, more, all of that. Like this deal.
Speaker 1: And this is the part where I jes quick, Jesse,
Speaker 1: stop stop quick counting how the folks money, bro, I'm
Speaker 1: not counting that you are for the people that you've
Speaker 1: helped in this world and things that you've done. Stop counting,
Speaker 1: mister Jones money. I get y'all that damn money. That's
Speaker 1: good money. But my thing is I'm gonna get that's
Speaker 1: another week that we have to work, So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get an extra ten dollars for those weeks that we
Speaker 1: have to work. So I'm cool with that. But I
Speaker 1: just get a little bit upset when you look at
Speaker 1: our CBA and the leaders of our CBA, the more
Speaker 1: Smiths at and I was That's what That's where I
Speaker 1: was going next was because this is nothing about this
Speaker 1: deal is really a player friendly. Nothing about like it's
Speaker 1: it's all owner friendly. And this is the thing when
Speaker 1: when I talk about the the the players having the
Speaker 1: worst CBA leadership, the players union leadership, we are worse
Speaker 1: than basketball We're worse than baseball. We're worse than the
Speaker 1: NHL because here it is, we give the owners a
Speaker 1: seventeenth game, and uh, we're and the thing is that
Speaker 1: we locked in for ten years and they we're locked
Speaker 1: in for ten years. So at going back to negotiating table,
Speaker 1: we can't do this thing about like, oh, like, how
Speaker 1: was it that we didn't think about TV money was
Speaker 1: coming up? Seventeenth game was coming up the agent as
Speaker 1: I negotiate. I don't know all I can say, but
Speaker 1: do you think I saw it? One theory that said,
Speaker 1: because of the extra game, the longer season, you know,
Speaker 1: the league has trended towards younger guys, you know, young
Speaker 1: fresh legs, that sort of thing. And this one person
Speaker 1: was saying, well, this might be an opportunity for maybe
Speaker 1: these veterans who know what's going on, add a little
Speaker 1: bit more depth. This might be an opportunity where you
Speaker 1: may see a shift where teams add I don't know
Speaker 1: if I believe that, but what do you think is
Speaker 1: this an opportunity for maybe some of those guys to
Speaker 1: stick around on the league longer who already know, you know,
Speaker 1: your career becomes shooter, you know, for a guy that's
Speaker 1: hungry and a guy that's young. It's that vanish but
Speaker 1: you see how to find that coach that's going to
Speaker 1: believe in you. It's still a veterans league at this point.
Speaker 1: But I'm telling right, hill Man, one more game being
Speaker 1: played is not gonna hurt these players one way another
Speaker 1: because we just got a Union guy saying, hey, look
Speaker 1: at this, we had no preseason games, had the best
Speaker 1: best league year of our life, which wasn't true. Everybody's
Speaker 1: possed through Jesse. One thing you said that was so true.
Speaker 1: The owners won like you would not believe. When it
Speaker 1: comes to revenue for this extra game. Now they don't
Speaker 1: have to guess at a preseason game how much revenue
Speaker 1: they got getting depended on who they playing and what
Speaker 1: time of the preseason is. They know this seventeenth game
Speaker 1: gonna be a sellout, so and even and even in
Speaker 1: the preseason, even in the preseason, because now you have
Speaker 1: you know, uh, normally you see the intendance kind of
Speaker 1: grow as we get to that third preseason game. Well,
Speaker 1: now you eliminate one of those dead preseason games, and
Speaker 1: now the action is more it's more packed because I
Speaker 1: don't have that extra game in that extra week of
Speaker 1: operation to get my guys going for the season. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you might see the first game, it might be that
Speaker 1: all kind of rookie game, but game two of the preseason,
Speaker 1: I gotta get my veterans ready to go to last game,
Speaker 1: and then this is the game number three. I still
Speaker 1: might have to get my veterans some playing time and
Speaker 1: then maybe in the second half getting my younger guys,
Speaker 1: bubble players some playing time. So the attraction to those
Speaker 1: preseason games is a win again for the owners because
Speaker 1: the attendance is going to be greatly because the games
Speaker 1: will have more of the recognizable faces that we know
Speaker 1: when we love getting them ready for the regular season,
Speaker 1: which you'll be right around the corner. Now that you
Speaker 1: only have three preseason games, do you think they should
Speaker 1: should they have added a second bywary, I do that.
Speaker 1: That's one thing they should have added. They should added
Speaker 1: a second boy, I think they'll probably do that. He
Speaker 1: just feeding jesting softball out of softball. You love your
Speaker 1: old bottles, call them them lagos, and he taking them
Speaker 1: straight out of Wow, good hurt. Once they go to
Speaker 1: an a teenth game, which I don't think they can
Speaker 1: get to eighteen. Because of the collective bargaining agreement, it'll
Speaker 1: be a while before we see eighteenth and that is
Speaker 1: the only chance they have. That's the only chance they
Speaker 1: have to come back to the players, and the prayers
Speaker 1: are praying, Okay, we can just get them to believe
Speaker 1: in this eighteenth game that shannon't want them to have,
Speaker 1: then we can we can crack into this thing. But
Speaker 1: other than that, jes right, wow, wow, okay, and let
Speaker 1: me let me be. Let me be on the record
Speaker 1: of saying, now, here's how the owners will get to
Speaker 1: the eighteen game season. Oh my god, we gotta go
Speaker 1: through this because we go to a break Shanning before
Speaker 1: they know. No, we cannot be fault. It's my fault.
Speaker 1: And here's how the owners, because the owners, they keep
Speaker 1: these things tucked underneath, and we just don't play the
Speaker 1: cards right. But the owners will say, hey, guys, got
Speaker 1: a little something for you. How about we take one
Speaker 1: of those years of those franchise tags off if you
Speaker 1: give us an eighteen game season now to take regular
Speaker 1: and go for that. Now the regular. Now you should
Speaker 1: tell the union now that don't benefit us. Look out now,
Speaker 1: the the guys like me and you should start like,
Speaker 1: hey man, Nope, they're gonna say, you know what they're
Speaker 1: gonna say. They're gonna say, na, man, she ain't table quicker.
Speaker 1: There's no money for you guys to have another We
Speaker 1: got an eighteen game season. Maybe they say we get
Speaker 1: you a half percent more more lot. They they donna
Speaker 1: try to say, I'm gonna take one of those franchise
Speaker 1: tags off. So we're gonna break one time stopping Shannon. Okay,
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Speaker 1: We're good with Jesse. I'm good man, all right, all right,
Speaker 1: yeah he was gone, Jesse good. Yeah. I never want
Speaker 1: to hit the truth. Yeah I'm fine, y'all. Just never
Speaker 1: want to hear the truth. Man, salute to my coach,
Speaker 1: Coach Williams. Yeah, we're talking about set for the for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. No, we're not talking about safety for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: He'll never coached me and I never played for him.
Speaker 1: I thought everybody I'm talking about, I'm talking about the
Speaker 1: legendary Roy Williams, the head basketball coach at Kansas and
Speaker 1: at the University of North Carolina. After thirty three years,
Speaker 1: my guy is calling it quits. Um. He is going
Speaker 1: to golf. He's going to just spend this time golfing
Speaker 1: the rest of his days. Uh. What an opportunity, with
Speaker 1: a great opportunity. I got a chance to play for
Speaker 1: coach Williams. And it was interesting because coach didn't recruit
Speaker 1: me out of high school. He was at Kansas when
Speaker 1: I was coming out of high school and coach Matt Dhardy,
Speaker 1: coach recruited me. And then when Dardy got fired and
Speaker 1: Roy came on, we had a phone call and he said, listen, Son,
Speaker 1: I didn't recruit you. You weren't on my radar, he said,
Speaker 1: But if you're good enough for coach Dharty and that
Speaker 1: staff to want you here, I'm gonna honor what they
Speaker 1: told you, and I'm gonna honor what they do, but
Speaker 1: you'll earn everything you get. And I said, that's all
Speaker 1: I asked for, and he gave me an opportunity, and
Speaker 1: I was a part of the team that won his
Speaker 1: first national championship and two thousand and five, I hosted
Speaker 1: Late Night with Roy in two thousand and seventeen where
Speaker 1: he didn't want another national championship. And I think, you know,
Speaker 1: get old ball coach Van, He's just he's up there
Speaker 1: in age. He's had some health issues in the past.
Speaker 1: And you know, he went out on top his last
Speaker 1: regular sy at home game. He beat the Brakes off
Speaker 1: Duke And so anytime you do that, you can go out.
Speaker 1: You can go out on top. Soul salute to Coach Williams.
Speaker 1: Enjoy golfing, enjoy time with Miss Wanda. And I know
Speaker 1: once you're a Carolina tar Hill, you're always a coming
Speaker 1: on a tar So I know he'll still have an
Speaker 1: office in the building, just like coach Dean Smith did
Speaker 1: before he passed, and he'll still be around a program.
Speaker 1: And so thank you Coach Williams, and enjoy retirement. Can
Speaker 1: we you recruited for basketball and then went out for
Speaker 1: football both. It's recruited for both, and we decided on
Speaker 1: taking a football scholarship because there was more there than
Speaker 1: it was in basketball and allowed them to bring another
Speaker 1: player in. So how much did they pay you to
Speaker 1: play basketball? Jess? You're given soul? Jess. I love that always. Jesse,
Speaker 1: you got you got the scholarship for the football. How
Speaker 1: much cash did you get for the basketball? What a second?
Speaker 1: That were you on the second? Yeah? Player ain't never
Speaker 1: giving that. I want to go to Hey, how big about?
Speaker 1: What about the Cowboys talk about talk about that rivalry?
Speaker 1: The draft is about the way talk about talk about
Speaker 1: the duke rivalry? How how crazy is it the week
Speaker 1: or the day that you guys play duke? The week
Speaker 1: is crazy, the day is crazy. The rivalry is It's
Speaker 1: like it doesn't end when the season is over, Like
Speaker 1: there's still a divide between the people in Durham, North
Speaker 1: Carolina and the people in Chapel Hill in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: And there's so many places that you know, like the
Speaker 1: mall sits in between both Durham and North Carolina. So
Speaker 1: the big mall that everyone goes to sits in between Durham.
Speaker 1: So you you you're likely to see someone from from
Speaker 1: from Duke Carolina eight miles. It's eight miles straight down
Speaker 1: fifty Highway fifteen five on one. So like the movie, theater,
Speaker 1: the bowling Alley, the restaurants, all that stuff sits right
Speaker 1: in the middle of all that. So there's no telling
Speaker 1: when that you might You might go to the Applebe's
Speaker 1: and to the chilies or or to the State House
Speaker 1: or whatever, and the likelihood of you seeing someone from
Speaker 1: the school and Durham it's very, very high. Do you
Speaker 1: steal your respective campuses the party unless you're heading out
Speaker 1: to Rileigh somewhere. But you know it's it's it's so close,
Speaker 1: but it's so far apart. It's two separate, different worlds.
Speaker 1: But the writer is real. It's fun, it's intense um
Speaker 1: and it can get up a little nasty every now
Speaker 1: and again. Yeah, Nate, who is the Florida A and
Speaker 1: M's big rivalry Thune Cookman College And neither one of
Speaker 1: us is doing nothing now, so you don't get to
Speaker 1: feel that. We felt that when I played a little bit,
Speaker 1: but it's been none existing. The thumb and beating it
Speaker 1: breaks off us, So it doesn't matter, not a rivalry anymore.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so I'm sorry to hear that. Well, what
Speaker 1: about so college, Shannon, How Well, you went to seven
Speaker 1: so out of the seven, which I went to school
Speaker 1: for twelve years, but I only went to one college,
Speaker 1: so we are big rival. Yeah. Our big rivalry was
Speaker 1: it was Louisiana Tech. So ULM used to be Northeast
Speaker 1: Louisiana University, and they they used they were really good.
Speaker 1: They would make it to the two A championship game
Speaker 1: pretty fairly regularly back in the back in the eighties
Speaker 1: in early nineties. And then Low Tech jumped from from
Speaker 1: two A to UH Division one, and then they were
Speaker 1: too good for us, so they lined up canceling their
Speaker 1: games because Louisiana Tech and ULM were thirty minutes apart.
Speaker 1: And then we really haven't had a rival really since then,
Speaker 1: like an arch nemesis. So that was it. That's it.
Speaker 1: Cool story, Kurt. I went to Kansas for a little while,
Speaker 1: so it was case stay. Missouri was a big basketball
Speaker 1: rival back then. Um, but then I graduated from a
Speaker 1: little NAI school and I couldn't even tell you who
Speaker 1: their rival was. Wow, all right for me? About the same, Kurt,
Speaker 1: let's talk free agency. You want to talk free agency.
Speaker 1: We'll see if we can get Jesse going on this
Speaker 1: and then go to our third break, our second break.
Speaker 1: You don't do that, Yeah, tell us how we lost
Speaker 1: that to Jesse. Yeah, well, well go ahead Jesse. Actually
Speaker 1: actually so, I'll ask you guys this. This is a
Speaker 1: great question by Kurt because this surprised me too. When
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods went to the Vikings for one year for
Speaker 1: two point two five million, and when you talk about
Speaker 1: defensive backs, that's not a lot of money. That's that's
Speaker 1: that's that's bottom kind of bottom of the barrel for
Speaker 1: a starting safety. Why would they let him go when
Speaker 1: you're already shallow at that at that position? Does that
Speaker 1: is it all tied to the comments that he made
Speaker 1: during the year about the hustling thing, or is it
Speaker 1: just why did he go for such a cheap amount
Speaker 1: waiting on you? Yes? Well, great, thank you for letting
Speaker 1: me go. First, Let's just say that loud and clear,
Speaker 1: the comments that Xavier Woods made did not help him.
Speaker 1: That that wasn't something that when you looked at his
Speaker 1: overall catalog, it stuck out in a negative way. Since
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, his progression has declined and also we talked
Speaker 1: about the residue of old coaching staffs and old players
Speaker 1: of that coaching staff still lingering around and being around
Speaker 1: and being able to usher them out to bring in
Speaker 1: some new blood. If you're gonna bring dan Quinn in,
Speaker 1: then you're gonna have to allow him to bring players
Speaker 1: that he wants to be a part of his system.
Speaker 1: So for Xavier Woods, especially when you look at the
Speaker 1: way he performed last year, there was a lot of
Speaker 1: buster coverage, a ton of of mis tackles, and I
Speaker 1: think that this team the way that they're looking bringing in,
Speaker 1: bringing in Kyan O'Neil, who's gonna a more you know,
Speaker 1: that linebacker position, and then now maybe move with some
Speaker 1: guys like Donovan Wilson, who they like a lot last year, Keisy,
Speaker 1: who they're broken you know they're gonna bring in, and
Speaker 1: then they'll probably bring someone else in the draft. You
Speaker 1: got some other guys like CJ. C J. Goodson, Sorry Goodwin.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of guy that will beat in
Speaker 1: the play of that mix. I think for Xavier Woods,
Speaker 1: there was nothing there that they saw that was worth
Speaker 1: keeping him. And I know the price was right, But
Speaker 1: if you're going to change cultures of how things are
Speaker 1: going in the locker room, hopping going in the football field.
Speaker 1: Then you gotta allow dan Quinn to bring some guys
Speaker 1: in that he wants that relates to his system and
Speaker 1: fit into his system. And the one thing that dan
Speaker 1: Quinn wants, he wants guys who are going to be
Speaker 1: able to cover. Again, go back and look at what
Speaker 1: he did when he had the legional boom to what
Speaker 1: he tried to build in Atlanta as well. He's gonna
Speaker 1: want guys that can cover. He's gonna want guys who
Speaker 1: can tackle. And those are the things that Zazias didn't do,
Speaker 1: did not do in the last two years of being
Speaker 1: beat when the Cowboys back in defensive end. So if
Speaker 1: he's not covering well and the willingness to tackle and
Speaker 1: to make tackles, if that's not something he did well
Speaker 1: and that is something that dan Quinn prides his defensive
Speaker 1: backs or doing, then you don't fit in the mold
Speaker 1: of what he wants to do. And that's why I
Speaker 1: think he was let He was you know, not signed
Speaker 1: back and went to went to Minnesota to play under zim.
Speaker 1: Now he might have a resurgence under Zim. I don't know,
Speaker 1: because sometimes sometimes having a negative thing happened to you
Speaker 1: brings about positivity being cut, having a fresh start somewhere else,
Speaker 1: being able to hear a new voice in the new
Speaker 1: system may help him. But if he's unwilling to tackle,
Speaker 1: then he's gonna run into the same problem that he
Speaker 1: had in Dallas in Minnesota. Because I would like to
Speaker 1: believe Cozim old school type of coach, old school mindset
Speaker 1: has some news to new school ways about him, but
Speaker 1: the toughness and the ability to cover and topple, those
Speaker 1: are just non negotiables when you're talking about playing for
Speaker 1: coaches like Dan Quinn and Zimmer and in the National
Speaker 1: Football League. When you when we got him out of college,
Speaker 1: the one thing that he did in college well was
Speaker 1: he brought down the hammer, and as Jesse said repeatedly,
Speaker 1: every year that got less and less and less. Now
Speaker 1: your your your strong suit wasn't coverage at all. The
Speaker 1: one thing you had was the hammer and you lost it.
Speaker 1: So uh, then your comments that did not go along
Speaker 1: with what they drafted you for. So yes, you have
Speaker 1: to leave. And if you don't do with Zim asks
Speaker 1: you to do, you won't hang around here. For eight
Speaker 1: nine games. You won't hang around, Zim. You will be
Speaker 1: on the waiver while which you're two million dollars, which
Speaker 1: is a lot, but you will be gone, so that
Speaker 1: it's not a big surprise at all. I don't think, no,
Speaker 1: not surprised, Kurt. Are you surprised, Kurt by the fact
Speaker 1: that you now only have Jordans and Anthony Brown left
Speaker 1: at your cornerbacks? So you've addressed the needs at you know,
Speaker 1: you've signed some safeties, you've signed some defensive linemen, linebacker.
Speaker 1: You're probably still a little thin cornerback. You're really thin.
Speaker 1: Do you do you think that tips your their hand
Speaker 1: and what they're going to do in the draft or
Speaker 1: they do you look for him to still add some
Speaker 1: pieces before we get to the draft. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot of Oh, I'm sorry, Kurt not It is interesting,
Speaker 1: and that's you know, in the past to kind of
Speaker 1: build some depth holes like this too, so they could
Speaker 1: kind of pick the field, but they haven't really done
Speaker 1: that yet. Got her mind. I've never heard that word.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what that word was. Depth holes. I'm
Speaker 1: not familiar with that term. In their depth on the roster. Okay,
Speaker 1: as far as you know, they didn't have to. They're
Speaker 1: try not to pigeonhole themselves where they have to get
Speaker 1: a certain player in the draft. But they haven't really
Speaker 1: addressed cornerback here, and so you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: if that tightens the window and then that they have
Speaker 1: to go get one of the cornerbacks of that tenth
Speaker 1: pick or they freeze them up. I'm not sure, but
Speaker 1: it's I don't even know if they can do anything
Speaker 1: else in free agency. I mean, they've got nine to
Speaker 1: ten million dollars left and a lot of that's got
Speaker 1: to go to the rookie class, so they'd have to
Speaker 1: make some more contractual moves to really bring anybody else
Speaker 1: in here. I'll tell you, like thisis fellas you know,
Speaker 1: we've done it before, and it's time to do it now.
Speaker 1: Every guy that has a chance to help this team
Speaker 1: improve as a cornerback or as that cover safety, you
Speaker 1: have to you have to go at them if they
Speaker 1: fit the slot. If the slot is ten, and they're
Speaker 1: good enough to be that tenth pick, Okay, get them,
Speaker 1: you know, don't don't look back. It ain't no tomorrow.
Speaker 1: If you have a slight window right now, you signed
Speaker 1: your quarterback. You've made your prayer that you have a
Speaker 1: healthy offensive line. Now go get these corners. Let's see
Speaker 1: what the other guys up front can do. Let's rely
Speaker 1: on coach Quinn to develop these young guys up front
Speaker 1: and to get them going in direct direction. Man, get
Speaker 1: every corner, every safety that's out there moving around as
Speaker 1: as as a rookie. I'm serious. If they can cover
Speaker 1: with some type of skills set and they are solid tacklers,
Speaker 1: let's get these guys. Let's do not mess around. Let's
Speaker 1: do not going to training camp saying where do we
Speaker 1: have enough corners or do we have enough safety? Sometimes
Speaker 1: you have to sell out. And if these guys are
Speaker 1: good enough. Now, if they're good enough, you know by
Speaker 1: coach quinn eyes and by the pro personnel player direct eyes.
Speaker 1: If they're good enough, get them. Don't be saying, okay,
Speaker 1: well we got a alignment that we think that's equal.
Speaker 1: To know the grade winds on defense. If the grades
Speaker 1: are equal, they win on defense. Not the greatest better,
Speaker 1: you gotta draft with you draft, but if the grades equal,
Speaker 1: you got to go. And just for lack of a
Speaker 1: better word, you just got the slaughter the safety and
Speaker 1: cornerback positions at your draft pick Nate, take everything you
Speaker 1: can get. I want to. I want to give you props.
Speaker 1: Your your beard looks better than it ever has that
Speaker 1: close up shot that Chris just had on you, that
Speaker 1: one shot. That thing is trim. Yeah, it's neat. It's
Speaker 1: usually all round. Man, did you get that shape? That?
Speaker 1: But how did that looks good? But I mean, what, bro,
Speaker 1: it's a you know, I want to get it once
Speaker 1: a year, y'all got it this one year? God, I
Speaker 1: know about the next week go to be ugly, so
Speaker 1: it don't matter. But anyway, I'm back on these safeties
Speaker 1: and corners. So but let me say this with the
Speaker 1: Cowboys again. I look at dan Quinn's history and what
Speaker 1: he is as a defensive coordinator, Yes, sir, and he
Speaker 1: wants to play a lot of Cover three like that
Speaker 1: is that is going to be? That is so cover
Speaker 1: three is basically the field is now cut into three thirds.
Speaker 1: So you got a third down the middle third, right side,
Speaker 1: left side third, and your quarterbacks usually play that in
Speaker 1: You have from the spot that you stand all the
Speaker 1: way back to this third of the field safety which
Speaker 1: used to be alive Earl Thomas, you have the third
Speaker 1: from where you stand back down the middle of the field,
Speaker 1: and your other corner same thing from where you stand back.
Speaker 1: So a lot of times it's it's it's gonna play
Speaker 1: like it's gonna look like man, but it's gonna be
Speaker 1: really cover three. And these guys. When you watch Richard Sherman,
Speaker 1: he would always kind of start up like he was
Speaker 1: in press coverage and then bail, but his eyes were
Speaker 1: always looking back into the quarterback so that he's able
Speaker 1: to jump different routes and so on and so forth.
Speaker 1: So you look at a guy like Higgs, who I think,
Speaker 1: you know, got some good reps last year, got some experience.
Speaker 1: You bring Jordan Lewis back, he's going to be primarily
Speaker 1: your your your your dominant slot corner. And then on
Speaker 1: the other side, you want to maybe draft another corner
Speaker 1: and have Anthony Brown rotate all around slot, left corner,
Speaker 1: right corner. Now here's the biggest thing that I'm fearful
Speaker 1: of in this draft, and the more I look at it,
Speaker 1: and I'm not some drivet gurgle and I'm not some
Speaker 1: draft expert, but when you start looking about best available player,
Speaker 1: if for some odd crazy reason, that freak of nature
Speaker 1: pits from Gainesville, Florida. I know where you're going. It's
Speaker 1: sitting there at number No way, no chance, no way chance,
Speaker 1: I know, everyone says Trevor looked like very is not
Speaker 1: good at fall let me go. Bes were affected again.
Speaker 1: Now there's not Where are we going here? Where are
Speaker 1: we gonegain So you're gonna give up when you look
Speaker 1: at forty nine, you got to score fifty every game.
Speaker 1: Six foot five with the longest arm span reach in
Speaker 1: last twenty years and twenty years of eady player in
Speaker 1: the draft in the last twenty years, there aren't a
Speaker 1: set of arm that are longer at six foot five
Speaker 1: running Paul Jones, not even twenty years. How long little
Speaker 1: twenty years two talks came out He loaned twenty years ago,
Speaker 1: twenty years Oh my god, runs of four to four,
Speaker 1: baby called the pharmacy. We gotta take a shot. But no,
Speaker 1: and and and I heard I heard, I heard Michael
Speaker 1: Lombardi say this about a guy like Kyle Pitts. Kyle
Speaker 1: Pitts make you change what you do on defense if
Speaker 1: you're gonna go up in line up in twelve personnel right.
Speaker 1: For those that don't know what twelve personnel is one
Speaker 1: tight end, two backs, two receivers. If you're gonna line
Speaker 1: up in twelve personnel, and now the defense has to
Speaker 1: make a decision. Are you gonna put a linebacker on
Speaker 1: Kyle Pits? Are you gonna put a safety on Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 1: I'm that that that changes whatever you think you want
Speaker 1: to do, because now if you decide that you're gonna
Speaker 1: bring in a smaller player, okay, then we're gonna run
Speaker 1: the ball. We're in twelve personnel. So if you bring in,
Speaker 1: you know, a Nicola Dome corner to guy to to
Speaker 1: guard or defend Kyle Pitts. He's good enough to block
Speaker 1: a defensive back. Maybe he may struggle with a linebacker
Speaker 1: every now and again. But I like my chances in
Speaker 1: that personnel. And then when you want to go, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, eleven personnel and now you got Ceedee Lamb,
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup, Pitts, and Amari Cooper out there. Whof that
Speaker 1: that's a nightmare to deal with. That's only if Kyl
Speaker 1: Pitts is sitting there. Other than that, and you go
Speaker 1: with you know, you go with j C. Horne, And
Speaker 1: I like jac Horne. I do I like Jon and
Speaker 1: I like Patrick Soutan, And the reason I like pedigree,
Speaker 1: I like guys who have pedigree, And both of those
Speaker 1: guys have pedigree of dads who played in the National
Speaker 1: Football League, and it's in the it's in their blood,
Speaker 1: it's in their DNA. Well, they can go out there
Speaker 1: and just ball out because they've been around their whole life.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying they if for some crazy reason
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts is still sitting there at ten, I think
Speaker 1: you gotta skip corner and go get Kyle Pitts. What
Speaker 1: day is the draft? The twenty ninth, the tent Thursday.
Speaker 1: Thank for we got how many days now? Twenty? This
Speaker 1: is about when when we started getting off of Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe we got a good enough defense, maybe we got
Speaker 1: enough players. About two weeks from now, Jessic gonna have
Speaker 1: like eight offensive names, Kurt might have like six. Don't
Speaker 1: be sitting there same well you know yeah see see yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah so Nate, Yeah so Nate. But I do agree
Speaker 1: with this here. If if the grade is better on
Speaker 1: that offensive player, we gotta you gotta go get what's there,
Speaker 1: and you gotta pray that your offensive coordinate along with
Speaker 1: your quarterback, said Okay, Now, tempo of game is truly
Speaker 1: what we have to do. And that's the only thing
Speaker 1: that scares me if this offensive coordinator along with the
Speaker 1: head coach, because that's what we'll be here to say, Hey, fellows,
Speaker 1: we need to rest this defense. We need to try
Speaker 1: to stretch this out. Because I think our offense has
Speaker 1: the ability to do that. But now does our offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator and head coach want of do that? Because they
Speaker 1: know how to do it, But do they want to
Speaker 1: do that? Say hey, you know we need a five
Speaker 1: or six or ten or twelve late drive. You know,
Speaker 1: we just can't go down here, score quick because they're
Speaker 1: gonna throw our defense back out there that's struck. So
Speaker 1: Nate and drive to what our defense can do. So Nate,
Speaker 1: you just said you ahead. Kurt, Well, I just I
Speaker 1: realized Pets is like a this generational player. But I mean,
Speaker 1: like the old saying goes, there's only so many balls
Speaker 1: to go around. I mean, you're adding to it already.
Speaker 1: Pretty You know, if can't see, you don't have that problem, man,
Speaker 1: Green Bay, don't have that problem. Can't sit, don't have
Speaker 1: to fight, You don't have that problem. Man. When you
Speaker 1: balling and you in your quarterback doing seventy eighty plays
Speaker 1: and he's accurate with the ball. Ain't no problem is
Speaker 1: when you have a bad quarterback, that's when you have problems.
Speaker 1: Ain't enough ball Because when you got a bad quarterback,
Speaker 1: that's when that happened. We better not have a bad quarterback.
Speaker 1: We paid him one hundred and sixty million dollars, so
Speaker 1: let that man deal. Let him deal son for sure.
Speaker 1: But would scare me is that you know if we
Speaker 1: didn't take a guy like Pitts at tenth, well, the
Speaker 1: Giants pick at eleventh and the Eagles pick at twelves.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, you know that Giant and Eagles
Speaker 1: are saying, yeah, yeah, so Nate did right? So do
Speaker 1: I think? Did I hear Nate right? Do you want
Speaker 1: him on your squad? Or do you or do you
Speaker 1: want to face him twice a year? Nate? You want
Speaker 1: Jayleen Smith to chase this dude round? You want Laton
Speaker 1: Viller can't chase it du the round like that? Well,
Speaker 1: but if Jayleen's chasing right, he gonn swipe him up,
Speaker 1: swipe up his promotion, swipe run up to him. So Nate,
Speaker 1: and I hear, did I hear you right. You bashed
Speaker 1: Jesse for saying he would go with Pitts, and you
Speaker 1: tore him up and then came back around you. If
Speaker 1: the grades good, I see you to say it, I said,
Speaker 1: I would continue to say. It's Mike Ran like, you know,
Speaker 1: act like he's practicing, you know, pronouncing words as he talks,
Speaker 1: you know. But if I said, was simply that if
Speaker 1: the offensive player has the bet of grade, and there's
Speaker 1: a time, but you're looking at him physically, you think
Speaker 1: it's a time you go to your scout to say
Speaker 1: who has the better grade and who y'all think fits
Speaker 1: our team the best. But that but that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But he will not follow that far. I'm sorry, he
Speaker 1: will not. Sorry Kurt, if he if he's there, Kurt
Speaker 1: at ten, would you take him or would you trade back?
Speaker 1: Because you're somebody will trade. Yeah, I would definitely think
Speaker 1: of off I would consider offers for sure, because but
Speaker 1: they'd have to be good offers, you know, because again,
Speaker 1: I don't want to trade back far. I don't want
Speaker 1: to trade back too much, you know, or not get much.
Speaker 1: But you'd have to consider trading otherwise. I mean, like
Speaker 1: you guys said, he's a generational guy. Supposedly you gotta
Speaker 1: be take him late Jewelry and Blake Jarwin and and
Speaker 1: and what's the other dons name who? Man, they will
Speaker 1: be on a they will be on a two pac
Speaker 1: plane up out of here, just sitting down ten. I
Speaker 1: don't do not sit up there and trade back? Man?
Speaker 1: Why not? Why are you getting? I will take them?
Speaker 1: You know I would draft call Pits and trade them too.
Speaker 1: Jokers man to Somalia, they go, they they'd be going
Speaker 1: so quick. Man, don't do that. Please show talking about him.
Speaker 1: Why are you getting trade trade down? Man? Because get
Speaker 1: the best player at that position? Man, that that that
Speaker 1: trading back? Oh, well he's the same guy. I know
Speaker 1: he's not the same guy. If here's the same guy
Speaker 1: here be getting drafted right here at that position, I get. Oh,
Speaker 1: if there's the same guy, we're good with either one
Speaker 1: of them. And then all of a sudden we look
Speaker 1: back two years form now like, well, remember they had
Speaker 1: a chance at the Pitts kid, and they traded back
Speaker 1: two things out and this is what we got. Kits
Speaker 1: running around on his third Pro Bowl and we're running
Speaker 1: around trying to say, can we developed this guy? How
Speaker 1: about you jest you get against trading back or would
Speaker 1: you trade back very bad in the right scenario. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not traded back. I'm not trading back either. Either
Speaker 1: I'm getting the coining back that I won at ten,
Speaker 1: or I'm taking Cole pitts that those are my only
Speaker 1: two options. What I'm telling you, man, it ain't failed
Speaker 1: us hit. Let's trade down two or three guys and
Speaker 1: get this guy right here. I think the only guy
Speaker 1: we traded back up to get with one of offensive
Speaker 1: linement and turned out great. But normally we traded back
Speaker 1: and get on traded. We traded up to get get
Speaker 1: your boy out of lsu lot Claybown. That didn't work
Speaker 1: out too well for us. What Chris just had a
Speaker 1: great question. What if someone offered you there one for
Speaker 1: next year? So who for the tenth Pierre dropping? What
Speaker 1: if you're dropping back to just like thirteen or fourteen,
Speaker 1: say Patriots of fifteen, or you won't see him much.
Speaker 1: You can get another first round pick, or you can
Speaker 1: get a blow to pit, you know, a second round
Speaker 1: or whatever this year. Next year you can still get
Speaker 1: your still get your your cornerback you need plus some
Speaker 1: that's not worth So now We're going nine to seven,
Speaker 1: waiting on next year again. Can't go ninety seven two,
Speaker 1: can't go ninety seven? No more, baby, Hey, no more,
Speaker 1: no more nine seven. We don't turn out to be
Speaker 1: the greatest. Well we're the greatest that day, oh but
Speaker 1: better next year we'll go nine and eight with Pitts
Speaker 1: in a high powered offense and lose fifty to forty five.
Speaker 1: Every dame, you know what, Kurt used to know. We're
Speaker 1: going to break pressed, Kurt, Kurt, but I'm telling you
Speaker 1: our office according anything gonna let that happen again. This year.
Speaker 1: He gonna control temple. Yes he is night. You know what, Kurt.
Speaker 1: Since you just stop the showdown, you take it over
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Speaker 1: corner on Amen Corner. Kurt, Welcome to the show, Kurt Daniels. Well, first,
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Speaker 1: out of this old school mindset. Brother, we gotta get
Speaker 1: you first century do nations. Man. That's all I ask.
Speaker 1: Did you get to Joe? Yes? Thank you? Okay, idea
Speaker 1: that in a Martin way? Okay, what it's kind to
Speaker 1: be Martin. I can be Martin, but if I can
Speaker 1: bring it to you physically, I prefer to that. Okay.
Speaker 1: And where's my truck driving job? Anyway? You promised me
Speaker 1: that last week. Where's let's listen, let's talk. Let's talk, baby.
Speaker 1: I'm invest, I want to invest. I can make more
Speaker 1: than ten dollars a show. I got. I got fifty
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Speaker 1: be that'll be the snack budget. Yeah, all right, I
Speaker 1: got a couple of questions here for you. The first
Speaker 1: one we were talking about the safeties earlier and dan
Speaker 1: Quinn bringing in his own guys, and um, we all
Speaker 1: feel pretty good about Can O'Neill and even though he
Speaker 1: maybe playing book some linebacker. Wh how do you feel
Speaker 1: about the other guy that brought it is? Is it
Speaker 1: the Kazee, the free safety Kaze? Yeah? He was at
Speaker 1: last year with the achilles injury um, which as a
Speaker 1: free safety, a guy who's got to cover that seems
Speaker 1: like a kind of a scary, scary thing to come
Speaker 1: back from. You are you feeling good about this guy
Speaker 1: or is this a position in the free safety? We
Speaker 1: still need to to do some hunting, need to find somebody,
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaking. Out of those two, he was
Speaker 1: injured the earliest. Correct, he was injured like October early
Speaker 1: November in the season last year. I think it's supposed
Speaker 1: to be back in time. But it's just a matter
Speaker 1: of you know, is he gonna lose a step that
Speaker 1: comes again? Um, I think for the way that they
Speaker 1: want to play it and how he plays that single
Speaker 1: high safety they play so far back, it's not like
Speaker 1: he's going to be, you know, up at the line
Speaker 1: having to cover a lot um again and in that
Speaker 1: in that cover three zone scheme. They're passing it off
Speaker 1: through that zone, and so you'll have you have guys
Speaker 1: have to get through linebackers. So I think getting him
Speaker 1: an opportunity to get some preseason reps in getting some
Speaker 1: off season in and really seeing how he progresses um
Speaker 1: with whenever they bring in as far as rookies, I
Speaker 1: think he'll be fine. Again. I'm not looking for Earl
Speaker 1: Thomas that type of performance. I'm just looking for something
Speaker 1: better than what we had the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: I agree. I agree, until because we got to get
Speaker 1: him in here without training staff, which he is probably
Speaker 1: already here, and get him working and see how I
Speaker 1: trained staff view him, and get him getting and helping
Speaker 1: him get ramped up to that game type feed because
Speaker 1: you know you wanted to play a little bit because
Speaker 1: you don't want all of a sudden here to day
Speaker 1: of the first game, and he got to fly to
Speaker 1: one hundred house of an hour, right right, all right?
Speaker 1: This is kind of tangent gears a little bit. We
Speaker 1: talked earlier about Xavier Woods being gone, them gone, A
Speaker 1: Woozier's gone. The only guys you got left now from
Speaker 1: that two seventeen draft is Jordan Lewis, who was a
Speaker 1: third round pick, kind of a you know, slot corner,
Speaker 1: kind of depth guy. You don't expect him to start
Speaker 1: on the ends on the outside. And then you've got
Speaker 1: Noah Brown, a seventh rounder who's your fifth, sixth wide receiver.
Speaker 1: He's not even probably guaranteed to make the team. So
Speaker 1: you kind of have to say that class of twenty
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty seventeen was kind of a failed draft in
Speaker 1: some ways. One do you think it was? And two
Speaker 1: how does that hurt a team when you just have
Speaker 1: a bad down year like that of a draft? How
Speaker 1: does this affect him for years to come? You just
Speaker 1: have to bite the bullet here and and draft better.
Speaker 1: I mean that it's not exact science on draft and
Speaker 1: so you took the opportunity to hear, but okay, these
Speaker 1: guys are not up to par what you need. But
Speaker 1: you just have to bite that bullet and continue to
Speaker 1: move on and go out and draft better guys. If
Speaker 1: those guys in a position to be drafted at the
Speaker 1: time that you draft. It's hard to say who work
Speaker 1: and who don't work. We just always look at the
Speaker 1: winning teams and seem like they always hit real well,
Speaker 1: but we filed out New England. Patriots ain't the great
Speaker 1: drafts we thought they were either when Tom Brady left.
Speaker 1: So you just think who's running this ship? Man? Man?
Speaker 1: It hurts your team because you keep having to restart,
Speaker 1: keep having to you know, rebuild, and you keep having
Speaker 1: to reteach and you keep having to read everything. And
Speaker 1: the part about drafting it's it's it's like it's like children, right.
Speaker 1: You bring them in and then you want to raise
Speaker 1: them up to be a certain thing, and then you
Speaker 1: want them to go off and do something great. And
Speaker 1: I think about drafting is you want to bring them in,
Speaker 1: you want to develop them, You want to you want
Speaker 1: them to grow in yourself them and then to flourish
Speaker 1: and to be something great. Now, everyone's not going to
Speaker 1: be a Pro Bowler, a Hall of Fame or a
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor player. But if I can get the
Speaker 1: guy that I drafted in the third round and he's
Speaker 1: still around for a second contract, that's a good that's
Speaker 1: a good prospect that grew into what we wanted him
Speaker 1: to grow into. If I can get my first round
Speaker 1: or to be a Pro Bowl player for years to come,
Speaker 1: and now what that does that gives my team the
Speaker 1: ability to have death at certain positions. If, for example,
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys are gonna go in and be defensive heavy,
Speaker 1: this drive and it's gonna be corners and linebackers and
Speaker 1: so on and so forth. Right, I need guys like
Speaker 1: Bradley and I who I drafted a year or so
Speaker 1: ago on Tristan Hill. I need those guys to step up.
Speaker 1: I need these defensive guys that we're gonna draft this year.
Speaker 1: In a year or two or three, those guys being
Speaker 1: stepping up because I'm gonna drive some guys behind them.
Speaker 1: And so now when I have this system of players
Speaker 1: that have been here, the culture is set, the knowledge
Speaker 1: is set, and now I can keep building this great
Speaker 1: foundation of players instead of having to go and get
Speaker 1: new guys to start all over again. Those guys didn't
Speaker 1: pan out. That guy didn't pan out, and so that's
Speaker 1: a lot of time, energy and effort wasted in guys
Speaker 1: who don't pan out. And that's the nature of the business.
Speaker 1: But you want to be able to hit on guys
Speaker 1: more than you miss, and when you get guys like
Speaker 1: in the third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh round, to be
Speaker 1: a hit and to stick around your program to the
Speaker 1: second contracts to be around four or five to six years.
Speaker 1: That's when you start developing that system where guys are
Speaker 1: playing well, you have a good foundation. Your roster from
Speaker 1: top to bottom. Is it being flipped so much? We
Speaker 1: know that. We know rosters get flipped almost fifty percent
Speaker 1: every single year. If you can lower that, you know
Speaker 1: your roster only flip forty percent or thirty five percent.
Speaker 1: That means you have some damn good players on your roster,
Speaker 1: and that gives you the ability to win more football
Speaker 1: games because you keep more of the veteran guys around
Speaker 1: in your football musician. So what if it's now looking
Speaker 1: at the twenty eighteen lass. If you've got guys so
Speaker 1: you've got Layton vander esh who's had injury problems. You've
Speaker 1: got Connor Williams who's been good. He's been solid. You
Speaker 1: wouldn't say he's a pro bowler by any means or anything,
Speaker 1: but you know he was your second round pick. You
Speaker 1: don't know if he's going to be back. Michael Gallop
Speaker 1: here's a guy you want back, but you probably can't afford.
Speaker 1: You know, I've got Doran's Armstrong, who's a good rotational guy.
Speaker 1: But had to. I mean, if you're grading drafts like that,
Speaker 1: if a guy like a Gallop goes on so you
Speaker 1: get a second contract in another place, does that mean
Speaker 1: it's a bad draft or is it just the way
Speaker 1: you know? I guess we'll know. With Gallup, that just
Speaker 1: was a great pick, and you just seem to be,
Speaker 1: like jessef explained, you heavy at that position, with a
Speaker 1: lot of experience peep in this end of money as
Speaker 1: me and spent. Okay, but well you're talking about ode
Speaker 1: linebacker Layton. You don't know. This is a first round peak,
Speaker 1: my friend, and you just don't know. And that's the
Speaker 1: scary thing to have. They offered them miss fifth year
Speaker 1: not yet. May I think the deadlines in the name. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so if you're high on this person, you wouldn't even
Speaker 1: have to wait, if you believe that he was all that,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't even wait. You'd be like, hey, this kid,
Speaker 1: fifth year is already taken up. And that's why that's
Speaker 1: why you have to have your draft picks kind of
Speaker 1: pan out, because it saves you money of having to
Speaker 1: go out and buy and pay for other players elsewhere.
Speaker 1: And if you didn't have to do that, then there
Speaker 1: would be money for a guy like Michael Gallant, But
Speaker 1: you said, you know, we can't pay him because we've
Speaker 1: had a roster of guys who are in their fourth, third, fourth,
Speaker 1: fifth year still coming on their rookie deals. So that
Speaker 1: when you know what I'm saying, But when you don't
Speaker 1: have that and you gotta keep bringing more guys in,
Speaker 1: that means you have to keep giving more contracts, especially
Speaker 1: when you're getting in free agents every single year, if
Speaker 1: you're getting them in by the boatloads and you're having
Speaker 1: to always resign mixed player signed these other players. We
Speaker 1: signed the players outside of your organization instead of having
Speaker 1: them pan out on your organization, and then the money
Speaker 1: is being spent on the outside instead of really being
Speaker 1: spent on the inside. And a guy that in Michael Gallup,
Speaker 1: he sometimes put the sugar in the stick because you're saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would love to keep him here, but because these
Speaker 1: other things didn't pan out for us, we had to
Speaker 1: go elsewhere and pay money elsewhere for other things. Now
Speaker 1: he's in casualty of that because we don't have the
Speaker 1: funds or be able to master the fund that someone
Speaker 1: else will have to pay him and he'll go somewhere
Speaker 1: else and make the money that he feels like he desires. Right, So,
Speaker 1: I taught Archer at the ESPN had had an interesting
Speaker 1: stat that in the last twenty years, the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: only signed four of their second round picks. The big
Speaker 1: second Countracts was Andre Girard, Sean Lady, DeMarcus Lawrence Jaln Smith.
Speaker 1: Randy Gregor is also a second rounder, but he hasn't
Speaker 1: reached that point yet because of his struggles. But how
Speaker 1: does that hurt the team that they haven't been able
Speaker 1: to land these consistently land these second round picks that
Speaker 1: can contribute to the team long term? And why is that?
Speaker 1: Why are they not? They seem to be routinely missing
Speaker 1: a well one common thread. And maybe I'm wrong, I
Speaker 1: hope I am. You can't keep drafting injury present to
Speaker 1: number ding ding ding ding d D. You don't have
Speaker 1: to say another word. You don't have to say another word.
Speaker 1: You can say that right there, put an exclumation point
Speaker 1: on it, a period whenever you want to put on
Speaker 1: the end of that gorilla blue stop right there. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: that's a good conversation, easy enough, So is that? But
Speaker 1: you think that's is that a Jerry Jones gambling man
Speaker 1: kind of person, or you know philosophy, or is that
Speaker 1: you know it don't help. It don't help to achieve,
Speaker 1: It doesn't have your team. Of what jess Is repeatedly
Speaker 1: said right here, it doesn't allow you to build depth
Speaker 1: because the unwritten rule in the NFL is a if
Speaker 1: you draft the defensive player in the first three rounds
Speaker 1: and they definitely not in the second year, and they
Speaker 1: definitely ain't giving you eighty five percent snaps, you're in
Speaker 1: a bad way when you got a defensive player that's
Speaker 1: been drafted in the first, second or third round defensively
Speaker 1: and he's not by his second year giving you eighty
Speaker 1: five percent of those snaps have been a hellable rotation
Speaker 1: guy with a super supermotive that's knowing where he's going. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a wasted draft man, because that guy don't get
Speaker 1: better at this third year. It starts to decline, and
Speaker 1: now you've got guys going out to dope a Woozier
Speaker 1: and these other guys. Well, last thing I kind of
Speaker 1: got here is is that they announced yesterday the NFL
Speaker 1: said that April nineteenth, from the kind of offseason workouts
Speaker 1: get going. It will be virtual. They'll be doing virtual meetings.
Speaker 1: But as the summer goes along and they expect everybody
Speaker 1: to get back on the field. We know how much
Speaker 1: that hurt the Cowboys last year. With a new coaching staff,
Speaker 1: that's gotta be I mean, they gotta be one of
Speaker 1: the biggest benefactors of this, of this kid just getting
Speaker 1: back on the field, the off tablee right. You know,
Speaker 1: they can virtue all they want. I'll be written back
Speaker 1: back yard, hate fathers. We're meeting over here in private.
Speaker 1: We ain't virtually nothing. We're just rolling and out through
Speaker 1: uber or whatever it is. And in the backyard they don't,
Speaker 1: you know the way Coach McCard to say, the dudes were,
Speaker 1: and that's why they're getting rid of a lot of
Speaker 1: these dudes. Not smart enough. Come on, man, not long enough,
Speaker 1: not athletic enough to play more than one position. Come on, Manna,
Speaker 1: I will forget virtual. I want the reality. Come bring
Speaker 1: you where I could touch you and see you. Now
Speaker 1: Here is where you need your leaders to step up.
Speaker 1: Dak you need to be on the phone saying ho
Speaker 1: Olne receivers backs my house. Three as a week, We're
Speaker 1: gonna watch film we're gonna I got the yard in
Speaker 1: the backyard. We're good, longed up, Keyan O'Neil, Tank Jalen,
Speaker 1: y'all need to have y'all position groups at a field,
Speaker 1: at somebody's house, at someone's field, some private facilities. You
Speaker 1: know you can you can call all around. You can
Speaker 1: call Exisos, you can call Michael Johnson, you can call
Speaker 1: d one, you can call all these places and say, listen,
Speaker 1: we want to use the indoor. You know, we want
Speaker 1: to shut it down at this time, maybe eight o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning, at ten o'clock in the morning. Nobody's
Speaker 1: in there, no cameras, no nothing. We just want to
Speaker 1: go ahead and get working. Like this is the time
Speaker 1: when you want your leaders. This is when your time
Speaker 1: to be leaders. Tank, Keyano, Jalen, Layton, Sean Leef, he's
Speaker 1: still around, dak Zee, all those guys. This is the
Speaker 1: moment in time where you have to grab your group
Speaker 1: and say now that we have a chance. Even though
Speaker 1: we're gonna start virtually we can. There's no restriction on
Speaker 1: us getting together like there was a year ago. Now
Speaker 1: your leadership had to step up and really put forth
Speaker 1: the effort to get these guys in here to learn it.
Speaker 1: Because a guy like Keyan O'Neil and a guy like
Speaker 1: Kenzie who understands Dan's Quinn system, you should be having
Speaker 1: those guys like, yo, let me tell you what's gonna
Speaker 1: look like. Let me share what it's gonna look like.
Speaker 1: Here's what I know coach is going to want. This
Speaker 1: is what a wizard coach means when he says this.
Speaker 1: Here are some of the checks. Let's go through some
Speaker 1: of these things. And now you know, Keisi and Keano Neil,
Speaker 1: you guys kind of take the take the lead on
Speaker 1: really helping them understand. Because Keyano is gonna play linebacker,
Speaker 1: so he does the linebacker for this. He's also played safety,
Speaker 1: so here he can help back there. KESI can help
Speaker 1: back there. So these guys have to take a really
Speaker 1: really really really really big part in this off season
Speaker 1: of getting things organized and getting that working. All right, kurtin,
Speaker 1: thank you. Ain't tomorrow fellas, Yeah, there is, because Easter's
Speaker 1: Tomorrow's good Friday. There is no Ain't it ain't on
Speaker 1: tomorrow for the Cowboys. Okay, all right, ain't on tomorrow
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. It's planning for it's planning for you.
Speaker 1: Ohanna go You didn't answer any of my questions. You
Speaker 1: got any fingers about that? Yeah, I'm ready to go, man,
Speaker 1: because I'm ready to get this three day weekend started.
Speaker 1: Here is the draft, man, because you make sure you
Speaker 1: go get it. Kurt, thanks for letting me take the
Speaker 1: last segment. All seven eleven, Kurt, I'm yeah, I think
Speaker 1: so okay. Look at that guy right there, Dy right there.
Speaker 1: If the number ten, we're gonna have a hell of
Speaker 1: a show after the draft. So fellas, thank you, Nate
Speaker 1: looking good. Who is that man, Kyle Pitts right there
Speaker 1: in the middle, Right there in the middle, Man, it
Speaker 1: is Jesse Kurt. And I tell you, Kurt, by the
Speaker 1: mud out, we're gonna side slipping offensive players in there. Hey,
Speaker 1: you know what, let's talk about the draft. We had
Speaker 1: really talked about the draft much. Just get in a
Speaker 1: little draft talk next week, fellas. Enjoy, good Friday, Enjoy.
Speaker 1: We will be back next Thursday, same time, same place.
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