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Speaker 1: The following. Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is Mick Shot

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Speaker 1: screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the official

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys apt Now Here are Bill Jones and Mickey Spagnola.

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Speaker 1: Welcome into another edition of Mick Shots on this beautiful

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Speaker 1: Thursday morning. We've got a lot of great stuff coming

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Speaker 1: your way. I'm Danny Siak alongside two of the Cowboys greats,

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Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola and Everson Walls. Now we are doing this virtually.

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Speaker 1: We're following the social distancing rules making sure everyone is safe.

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Speaker 1: So I gotta check in with you guys during this quarantine.

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Speaker 1: How have you guys been holding up so far? Well?

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Speaker 1: I think pretty well, you know, being able to work

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Speaker 1: the office. The only downside is is we don't bump

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Speaker 1: into anybody to talk to, uh to get some information

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Speaker 1: I'm getting ready for this draft. But other than that,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're still doing our podcasts and uh still

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Speaker 1: uh feeding the monster Dallas Cowboys dot Com. So still

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Speaker 1: writing and uh yeah, kind of staying busy, although uh

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Speaker 1: you don't get a chance to talk too many people.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've been doing okay here on this end.

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Speaker 1: I'm working out a lot. Oh my god, spags you

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Speaker 1: and I. We're gonna have a little contest when it's

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Speaker 1: all setting up. Well, we'll have to tour to North Texas, right,

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Speaker 1: we right, we might have. We're gonna we're gonna start

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Speaker 1: out with an ab contest. I want to see what

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Speaker 1: your abs. Oh gosh, yeah, I would love to see that.

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Speaker 1: Who could do more crunches? Oh my gosh, I'm not

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Speaker 1: come back looking like us dog buffed up a little

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Speaker 1: uh wowa something coming up there. You scared me, Bro.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe you're getting the shah. I don't think so. Right.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday I rode my bike out into the country and

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Speaker 1: I went down some roads that I'd never been on before,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't know where I'm at

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Speaker 1: far to get back in one piece. So but it

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Speaker 1: all worked out and ended up being a huge circuit.

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Speaker 1: And it's amazing you guys out this way, this part

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Speaker 1: fires and the mansions that are out here. I just

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Speaker 1: want to know what these people do for a living.

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Speaker 1: They're steal these bags, they steal, that's how they got it.

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Speaker 1: They stole the minor I've seen. I've seen more equestrians centers,

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Speaker 1: and I ever knew that. I knew there was one

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Speaker 1: It's amazing. But it's great to be out on those

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Speaker 1: not within six feet of anybody. I'll guarantee you. There

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Speaker 1: you go, you're following the rules. I love that making

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Speaker 1: back out there with nature. But I know you've been

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Speaker 1: watching some TV two even watching some of those old

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Speaker 1: games that have been reairing. Yeah. I actually yesterday it

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Speaker 1: was the first time I see I got to go

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Speaker 1: to the National Championship game, the LSU Clemson game, so

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Speaker 1: You know, it was kind of looking at that whole game, Spags.

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Speaker 1: You look did the entire game. That was some amazing football.

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Speaker 1: What did you learn, spags? Tell me what you learn? Well,

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Speaker 1: the the Lombardi Trophy because I had forgotten that. You know,

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Speaker 1: which it just seemed like such a sneaky way. Could

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Speaker 1: by a doomsday defense. Yeah, and that's what's at their height, right,

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Speaker 1: That's when that's really when doomsday became alive. Right, and

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Speaker 1: So when you had the John Mackie, the John mcke

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Speaker 1: couldn't you couldn't. You couldn't tip the ball to a

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Speaker 1: at his house and he's got a huge video screen

427
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 1: up on the wall and basically they're doing what we're

428
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 1: doing right now. Everybody, uh that's involved in the interview

429
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 1: has a little box up there and Danny, I don't

430
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 1: know if you'll remember this, but it looks like Hollywood Squares, right,

431
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: the old TV show with everybody in a boat. I

432
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know how you know, Mickey, I've

433
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: watched those vintage shows, all right, very good. We got

434
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: old school. Yeah, she had the game show Network right. Anyway,

435
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: So they got Jerry, and they're showing the screen and

436
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 1: they've got uh, Mike Nolan, the defensive coordinator. McCarthy's up there,

437
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: Harris the dB coach, Will McClay. So there was like

438
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: six or seven people involved in it, and the one

439
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: that stuck out to me was they were doing the

440
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 1: interview with Oklahoma linebacker Kenneth Murray, who, by the way,

441
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: when I watched Oklahoma games and I saw this number eight,

442
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 1: and I go, I don't know who he is, but

443
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: I want number eight on my football. He is a linebacker, right,

444
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 1: and he's awfully good. So they conducted an interview with

445
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 1: him on there, and it was one of the more

446
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 1: amazing answers that I've heard a football player give to

447
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones question. And I thought it would be great

448
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: if we just played it for you guys, because just

449
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 1: to try to summarize it, I don't think I could

450
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: do it justice. So let's hear Jerry Jones along with

451
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: Kenneth Murray. Let me ask one that I ask it

452
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: quickly this play. If you can come up with a setback,

453
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: if you can come up with where you had to

454
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: really call yourself at any time in your life when

455
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 1: you were young, you were kicked around or what do

456
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: you think gave you a lot of the the setbacks

457
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: or the controversy or the challenge that might have helped

458
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: you be a football player? You are well, uh, you know,

459
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: situation of them that that I would that I like

460
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: to talk about it that's made me who I am

461
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: on the field and off the field. You know, I

462
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't say it's more so a setback. I say it's

463
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: more so a blessing. I mean, you know, if you

464
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: look at it the way I am, from the way

465
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: you know my family has, it is a blessing. So um,

466
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: you know, for me, I learned, you know, how to

467
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: be selfless an extremely extremely young age. What true gratitude

468
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: is the extreame me engaged because of what I went

469
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: through and so um, you know when when I was

470
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: growing up, Um, my mom and my dad, you know,

471
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: they they they they did some things that that were

472
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: true acts of selfless, self selflessness and so UM, around

473
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: the edge of eleven, my parents adopted three special needs

474
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: kids and UM, you know, it's kind of a unique

475
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: situation for us because you know, the disease that they

476
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: had was was was extremely extremely rare. Um. Only one

477
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: of the set of children had it in the world. UM.

478
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: And so that that pushed my parents into you know,

479
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: one to twenty five thirty doctors suppointments a week, um,

480
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: just to you know, be able to get the kids

481
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: to the proper help that they need to get them um.

482
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: You know, you know, started and get them the help

483
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: that they needed. So you know, you know, going through

484
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: all that stuff and that that that was a time

485
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: where you know, my parents were leaving on me a lot,

486
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: given that I was the oldest. So you know, I

487
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: was the kid that you know basically you know, my

488
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: parents anytime they needed anything, anytime you needed um, you know,

489
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: you know, things should be done. You know, I was

490
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: the oldest shot, I was just wanted everybody was looking

491
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: to UM. And so you know I wouldn't I wouldn't

492
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: say it was a set back. I would say it

493
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: was a blessing. Because you know, at that at that age,

494
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: you know, it really really forced me to be you

495
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: know what what what you guys see on the field now,

496
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: which is you know the product of a of a

497
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: kid that's a go getter, of a kid that that

498
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: just goes out, um and just and just get it

499
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: for until um And and for me, you know, I've

500
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: always been a self starter. Um. You know, I've never

501
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: been somebody that that that needs to be started. You know,

502
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: I've always been a guy that's that's been the first

503
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: thing to build it, last one out. And I think

504
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: that's a direct by product of this how I came

505
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: up and I had to go through as a kid,

506
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: and you know, you know, early on, you know I

507
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: was you know, I took you on top like I

508
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: raised three kids already, because you know, you just got

509
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: to grow up fast. Um, you know, you know, going

510
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: through that type of situation and then my parents you

511
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: know basically you know, being from one lifestyle to a complete,

512
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: completely other type of lifestyle. And so you know, for that,

513
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: for us, you know, it was definitely a unique situation

514
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: and it's definitely a situation that has mowed to me

515
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: and maybe who I am today. I can't attends as strong.

516
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. These interviews are so important because it's

517
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: not just that the Cowboys want to make sure they're

518
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: drafting a player who can perform well on the field,

519
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: but they're also trying to get a feel for who

520
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: these guys are as people off the field and get

521
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: a sense of their true character. And when you hear

522
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: Kenneth Murray talk about his family like that and how

523
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: he stepped up as a young kid, I'm not sure

524
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: how you don't want someone like him on your team.

525
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. That's one of the best answers

526
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: I think I've I've ever heard a player give off

527
00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: the cuff because he didn't really have a set back

528
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: to refer to. He talked about what kind of made

529
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: him the person he is on the field, the leader

530
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: he is. And Everson, I think when when guys are

531
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: like that, you sit there and you go, Okay, this

532
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: guy can play, but he's also probably a pretty quality person. Well,

533
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: you know, Danny said it right. When you're talking about character,

534
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: you know, we talk about grades in school, We talk

535
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: about evaluations and for your dashes and how how you

536
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: jump in all of this, you know a lot of

537
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: being a good football player for a long period of time.

538
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: Most of the time, those players have good character, They

539
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: have something else that that drives them other than football.

540
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: And you could just tell in Mary's case that this

541
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: guy was always motivated by things other than sports. You know,

542
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: when you're when you're when you're burdened, for lack of

543
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: a better term, with that kind of responsibility, and you

544
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: come through it on the other side a better person.

545
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: To me, that just says all about what Murray's all about. Uh,

546
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: And lets you know that this guy is someone that

547
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: you can depend on, hopefully to do things well off

548
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: the field that will allow you to be a better

549
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: football player on the field. And that that sounds a

550
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,479
Speaker 1: little cheeky, A lot of sounds a little corny, but

551
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: that stuff is real. That's why you have longevity with

552
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: guys like a Bob Lily or you know, we went

553
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: way back, guys that played a long time with the Cowboys,

554
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: Guys like two tall Jones. You know now you're talking

555
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: about Emmitt Smith, Troy Egman. These guys had they were

556
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: there were things more important to them or as important

557
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: to them other than football that kept them to be

558
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: good football players. You know, ever, since and you're so right,

559
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: you know, and I realized, um, gosh, you know, coming

560
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: out of college, basically I was around a lot of

561
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: college football players, and then my first job covering some

562
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: sports for a newspaper, I was close to the Atlanta

563
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: area and I was able to cover some of the

564
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons games. And the more I was around some

565
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: of those professional athletes and I realized how sharp they were.

566
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, now I understand why these guys are

567
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,479
Speaker 1: playing at this level. And it's not everybody, but the

568
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: majority of the guys I ran into they were character guys.

569
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,239
Speaker 1: They could give you an answer like that, and it

570
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, that's why these guys are around the league.

571
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: And as I got around it more and more I

572
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: kind of understood. And that's why this time of the

573
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: off season getting ready for the draft is so important

574
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: because what they would do, you would do this one

575
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: on one in a meeting. But I always thought the

576
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 1: interview process was as important, if not more, then watching

577
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: a guy work out, because you've seen him play, you

578
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 1: seen him on tape. But the character, I think is

579
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: awfully important. There are times facts when you've got a

580
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: player who you know he may not be that that

581
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: a category player. He may not be that player, but

582
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: he might be on that B level. So the interview itself,

583
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: in that case will make all of the difference, even

584
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: more so than a player like Murray, who you know

585
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: is going to be a number one pick. You know,

586
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: you got those guys down there, second second rounders, you know,

587
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 1: high third rounders. Those interviews, those interviews will make all

588
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: the difference in the world because that could be that

589
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: that X factor that a team would say, you know what,

590
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: instead of me taking this kid who's an amazing player,

591
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: but he doesn't have much upstairs or doesn't have much

592
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: going on otherwise, I think I'm gonna move up and

593
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: take a chance on this guy. And most of the

594
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: time those kind of players work out. So I know

595
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: you didn't get drafted. Did you get any in pre

596
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: draft interviews? Heck no, I didn't. No interview was man,

597
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: were you talking about? I didn't even get an interview

598
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: for Winny Grown and he was from Grambling. Everybody after

599
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: they saw my forty yard dads, they were like, okay,

600
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: moving on. They stopped. They just made a brief stop

601
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: at Alice's Diner in downtown Grambling and they kept moving on. Man,

602
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: that was it? So were there were there when you

603
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 1: got drafted? Were there seventeen rounds or was it down

604
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: to twelve by then? Oh? No, still it was only twelve.

605
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: It was only twelve. But they held They held six

606
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: on first day, six on second day? So did how

607
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 1: did the Cowboys contact you? Then? Well, they I think

608
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: I'm mistaken. They sent uh jethroll Pew. Uh sent jet

609
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: Vill Pew. No, no, it was either Jethvill Pew. It

610
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: was Wooden, but I remember one of them came. And uh,

611
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: they came on the first day of the draft. So

612
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: we're a free agent contract, by the way, which was

613
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: at the time, it was kind of off. There were

614
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 1: still We're still on the first day of the draft

615
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: and you're coming to me with a free agent contract.

616
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: You can tell the future. So I was, I was done.

617
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: I was done. Did you get any other offers from

618
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: any other teams? Or was this? I got an offer

619
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: from Buffalo at the time, and I got an offer

620
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: at the time from the Aints with really the Saints,

621
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: they were the Saints. But you know that's when the

622
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: bad that's when the bad thing was going on. Now,

623
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: a little tit bit about that, you know, I'm looking

624
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: down on the Saints because they were just horrible at

625
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: the time, and of course the Cowboys that was going

626
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: to be the place I was going to be because

627
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: to me, it was the devil, you know. I mean,

628
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: I knew the Cowboys organization was tough to deal with,

629
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: but I knew about them, and so when you're talking

630
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: about going to the Saints, I was like, it's no

631
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: way I'm going to that team. Well, they ended up

632
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: being one of the better defenses in the history of

633
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties for four linebackers. I think all of

634
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 1: them are Hall of famers, and so it just l

635
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: to know that it maybe if I would have gone there,

636
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 1: you never know what would have happened. But when you're

637
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: a free agent, when you might not be on the

638
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: show ever, so I sort of saying, went there, you

639
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Speaker 1: Though at that time, you want to go to an

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643
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Speaker 1: don't expect accountability. So that's why the Cowboys were an

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Speaker 1: easy choice. What was your sighting votus? Oh, it was

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Speaker 1: fifteen hundred dollars. Wait, let me say let me say

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Speaker 1: it differently. Let me say it differently. It was one thousand,

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649
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Speaker 1: I gotta say I'm glad that the Cowboys and the

650
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Speaker 1: other NFL teams are still finding a way to get

651
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Speaker 1: these interviews done, especially because of the combine. They cut

652
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Speaker 1: the amount of interviews that the teams were able to

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Speaker 1: conduct this year. So it's nice to know that they're

654
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Speaker 1: able to still get this done to lead to that

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Speaker 1: draft process. Real quick, I want to hear from you guys.

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Speaker 1: This past week, Rex Ryan kind of went viral. He

657
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Speaker 1: was definitely trending on Twitter. He had some comments to

658
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Speaker 1: say when he was talking about how Dak Prescott hasn't

659
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Speaker 1: been he hasn't signed a new deal, but other players,

660
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: specifically Amari Cooper, got a new deal before him, so

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Speaker 1: he was kind of saying he doesn't like that. However,

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Speaker 1: when he was talking about how Amari Cooper didn't perform

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Speaker 1: so well on the road, he ended up whiles kind

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Speaker 1: not a fan of. Were you guys able to hear

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Speaker 1: his comments? Yeah, I read it, and you know, it's

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Speaker 1: a typical Ryan family deal where they're kind of bombastic,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I don't know did he feel that

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Speaker 1: get noticed on the to get his name out there,

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Speaker 1: to say, oh, yeah, I'm working right, And you know,

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Speaker 1: I get it, I understand it. But I thought it

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Speaker 1: was interesting this week. And I'm going to read a

674
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Speaker 1: quick little thing here from Ron Rivera, the new head

675
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Speaker 1: coach of Washington Redskins, and they were in on Cooper.

676
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Speaker 1: They were trying to sign him and when they asked

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00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: him about him, and he said, Amari was someone that

678
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Speaker 1: we chased very hard all the way up to the

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Speaker 1: very end. He decided to return to Dallas. We were

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Speaker 1: in it and we were talking about substantial money. But

681
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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, he made a decision.

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Speaker 1: He felt it was best, and we respected. He said.

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Speaker 1: We would have loved to have him as part of

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Speaker 1: what we're trying to do. Believe he would have been

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Speaker 1: a great veteran presence in our room, especially for those

686
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Speaker 1: young guys. So Ron Rivera evidently didn't have the same

687
00:39:54,880 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: opinion of Amari Cooper as Rex Ryan did. Where you

688
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Speaker 1: know how, you know how the Ryans have always been

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Speaker 1: spags and you touched on it earlier. You know, when

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Speaker 1: you're talking about somebody like Cooper, we always look at

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Speaker 1: the exception of his entire great career here in Dallas.

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Speaker 1: So that's just always the way it is. And I'm

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Speaker 1: sure he was referring to the Patriots game and those

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Speaker 1: those those stretch of games that where Cooper was clearly

695
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Speaker 1: fighting through an injury, and so everyone was looking forward

696
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Speaker 1: to the matchup between he and the Patriots secondary and

697
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: just so happened the timing was bad for Cooper because

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Speaker 1: he didn't come through simply, I think simply because of

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Speaker 1: the injury and of course the conditions that they had

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Speaker 1: to play in up in New England at that time.

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Speaker 1: But when you take a look at Mary Cooper's value

702
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Speaker 1: to the Dallas Cowboys, you can't put a number on that.

703
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Speaker 1: He turned our entire season, he turned Dak's entire professional

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Speaker 1: career around because at that time Dak was up against

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Speaker 1: a lot of variables that were affecting his game and

706
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Speaker 1: affecting his coductivity here comes to Mary Cooper like Superman.

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Speaker 1: He comes in, he saves the season, saves Dak's career,

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Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden, he's a staple for

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Speaker 1: US here and with the Dallas Cowboys. I don't I

710
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: don't mind the fact that he signed early for US

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Speaker 1: at all. I like the fact that I believe that

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Speaker 1: that Dak feels the same way. Also stags the fact

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Speaker 1: that your wide receiver, your star wide receiver, signs first,

714
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Speaker 1: you show him up. I'm pretty sure Dak Prescott doesn't

715
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Speaker 1: have the same problem with that that Rex Ryan had. Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And the one thing you know, and I keep seeing it,

717
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Speaker 1: and it's always nice when you can take some statistics

718
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Speaker 1: and you kind of put him in a box and

719
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: put a bow on top of it. With his numbers

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00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: this past year on the road not as good as

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Speaker 1: his numbers at home. But I think you have to

722
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Speaker 1: remember and you need to point out you need to

723
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: go in that box, right And there were two games

724
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Speaker 1: one game. Now you're gonna it's gonna ruin his average

725
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: because all he did was played three plays against the Jets.

726
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: He was hurt, he tried to play, and he played

727
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: the first series and that was in so I didn't

728
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Speaker 1: have any catches all right, And then in New England,

729
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: as Everson just said, no one had had a lot

730
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Speaker 1: of catches in the game. I can't tell that was

731
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Speaker 1: one of the most miserable weather days I think I've

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Speaker 1: ever witnessed. Not only did it rain the whole time,

733
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Speaker 1: the wind is blowing twenty miles an hour and the

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Speaker 1: rains coming down in sheets. Right, Tom Brady. If you

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00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: judged Tom Brady's performance off that one game, you would

736
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Speaker 1: say I paying him twenty five million a year, right,

737
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: No one. There was one touchdown in the game. And

738
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Speaker 1: the only reason, and there was a touchdown in the

739
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: game is the fumble the Cowboys had, right, and the

740
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: Patriots get the ball at what the twelve yard line.

741
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Speaker 1: So other than that, no one scored anything. No one

742
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: was catching the ball, they were trying to run it.

743
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: It was just miserable. So those are two games, and

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00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: you know, he take two games and put that in eight, Now,

745
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: that will really mess up an average. Now. I know

746
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Speaker 1: some of the other games he didn't perform as well,

747
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Speaker 1: but as Everson said, there were times he was playing

748
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: through an injury too. By the way, So go back

749
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750
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: when nine games he had that he turned around the

751
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: Cowboys season that was going down the tubes quickly. And Danny,

752
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: I must, I must add to that, Danny, the Cowboys

753
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: this past season, when you look at Mary's numbers, the

754
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: amount of catches he had could have been so much more.

755
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: But we are blessed with a number backup tight end

756
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 1: who's now starting tight end. We are blessed with a

757
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: young man on the other side by the name of

758
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: Gallop that that just had a breakout year. We were

759
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: blessed with Randall Cobb to be our slot guy begging

760
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: for passes himself barely got fifty five catches, got his

761
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Speaker 1: little quarter of a million dollar boners. You had a

762
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Speaker 1: lot of talent out there that we had a chance

763
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Speaker 1: to exploit. Zeke Elliott had fifty plus catches, So there

764
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: was a plethora of talent out there from the wide

765
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 1: receiver position. And Amari Cooper was still extremely impactful for

766
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Speaker 1: this team. So to me, that says even more about

767
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 1: how important he is about this team than it does

768
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: for the previous year when he came in and saved

769
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Speaker 1: us and doing half the season coming from Oakland, absolutely, Everson,

770
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Speaker 1: and also on his character. I mean, we're around these players,

771
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: and even after those games on the road when Amari

772
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: wasn't performing well, he knew it, and he would say

773
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,520
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774
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,440
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775
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: he was holding himself accountable. So I think those comments

776
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00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: that's not who he is. He was holding himself accountable

778
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: and he knows that he can and needs to be better. Well,

779
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: Danny Everson will tell you that the Ryan family did

780
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: never ever like the Cowboys. And as a matter of fact,

781
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: Buddy didn't like Tom Landry. Who didn't like Tom Landry? Right,

782
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: Buddy didn't even like players that came from the Philadelphia

783
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,879
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784
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 1: they had the kicker, Danny. They had a kicker that

785
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,160
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786
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Speaker 1: the kicker that came from Philadelphia to Dallas Cowboys. So

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Speaker 1: Buddy Ryan wants to make an example of a kicker.

788
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:10,160
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789
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:15,279
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790
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,200
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850
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: sacks last year. They've been trying to find a pass

851
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: rusher on that right side, and they signed Aldon Smith

852
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 1: to a one year deal. Now, remember he hasn't played

853
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: football in four seasons, but he is being reunited with

854
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: Jim Tomsula, the new Cowboys defensive line coach, and Mickey,

855
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: you were able to find out some of those details

856
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: of his one year deal. Yeah, absolutely, and I think

857
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: there was some you know, when guys signed like that,

858
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: it's a lot of agent stuff. And initially it was

859
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: reported as a two year, four million dollars deal, then

860
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: it was a one year, two million dollar deal. Well,

861
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: here's the deal on his contracting the Cowboys. Really this

862
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: is a low risk opportunity for them and an opportunity

863
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: for Alden Smith if he gets reinstated. And let's start

864
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: right there. He's still on reserves suspended, so none of

865
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 1: his money is against the Cowboys salary cap at this point.

866
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: And we got to see if Roger Goodell reinstatesman. Before

867
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 1: everybody gets excited about this, But what I noticed is

868
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: basically he's playing for I think he's five five years

869
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: into the league, six years into the league, so he's

870
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: playing for basically the minimum of nine hundred and ten

871
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. That's it, and it's not guaranteed. So basically

872
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are betting nine hundred and ten thousand dollars

873
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: and then the rest of the contract that adds up

874
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: to two million. It's one point zero nine million. Is

875
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: all with various bonuses, various incentives in the contract that

876
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: he has to meet. And I'll give you an example.

877
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 1: He's got a bonus for per game, how many games

878
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 1: you play, you get paid so much per game, you

879
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: get paid a bonus if he gets reinstated, he gets

880
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 1: a bonus if he goes to training camp, and he

881
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: gets a bonus if he plays two preseason games. And

882
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: then he's got bonuses tied to how many sacks he produces,

883
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,439
Speaker 1: going from I think it was a minimum of eight

884
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 1: to fourteen, and each level in between you get extra money.

885
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: So again it's a very from a financial standpoint, a

886
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: salary cap standpoint, a low risk that you could get

887
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: a high reward. But Everson boy for somebody that hasn't

888
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 1: played in four years. You just wonder how long it

889
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 1: would take him to get back in the swing of things,

890
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: what his ability still is, and it's compounded by what

891
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: we're going through right now, possibly no offseason. You know.

892
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: The thing about this is you talk about him being

893
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: a low risk sign, but he's a high risk individual.

894
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: This guy has some serious issues. When he first started

895
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: playing ball. You know, he had this amazing start where

896
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,920
Speaker 1: the first three years, I think he averaged like a

897
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 1: sack a game, which is almost unheard of. And along

898
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: with that, though, was some other things off the field

899
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: that were also unheard of. I believe he had some

900
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: issues of alcohol issues that stemmed from that even and

901
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: I think it was some domestic abuse problems that he

902
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: was having that just really ran him out of the league.

903
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: He ran himself out of the league. And so that's

904
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: why those incentives are so important, because they want to

905
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: make sure that he stays on point. You can't look

906
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: forward when you have the issues that he's had in life.

907
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: You can't leave and look forward to the next day.

908
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: And so I think those incentives are stated for that

909
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 1: just for that particular reason. I don't know what went

910
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: into this signing and Spags, I'm gonna throw that back

911
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: to you in the set. But for someone even as

912
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: amazing as he was, for someone to get consideration after

913
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: three four years of being out of football, there has

914
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: to be some type of connection there. Not just a

915
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 1: relationship with a coach, but there has to be a

916
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: lot of back and forth going on. And even though

917
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: you're talking about low risks, that's still a million dollars

918
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: that you're putting out there for a guy that hadn't

919
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: been the league for three, four or five years. To me,

920
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 1: he's a obviously a high risk individual and he knows

921
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: that because he's had his struggles. And so the Cowboys

922
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: once again they're going after some guys that I guess

923
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: they think that they're worth taking the chance on. And

924
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: once against facts, what was the connection that made them

925
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: think that this was worth it? You know, I think

926
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: number one it would have been Tom Sula. He had

927
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: him those first four years in San Francisco, the new

928
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:59,280
Speaker 1: Cowboys defensive line coach. And then his agent is local

929
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: here in Dallas, so they may had a relationship with him. Uh.

930
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: Now he's been in supposing, you know, going through rehab

931
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: looks like he's getting better, and we'll find out if

932
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: the NFL thinks he is uh, you know, made progress

933
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: to the point where okay, we'll give you another chance.

934
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: He's had a lot of chances, you know. I printed

935
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: out his list of transgressions. Uh, and boy, it's like

936
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: a dozen. It's a long long list. And here're saying, also, Spags,

937
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: when you start thinking about the other league, we just

938
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: we just have a new league here in the in

939
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: in America. We have a new team in Dallas. You know,

940
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,319
Speaker 1: they've got a kid that had his own issues coming

941
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: out of the out of Carolina, Alexander I think his

942
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: named Frank Alexander, defensive end for the Dallas team. You know,

943
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: you would think they would go out to guys who

944
00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: are also trying to work their way back into the NFL,

945
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: and you know that could be like a little feeder

946
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: system for them. So I'm surprised they jumped all the

947
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: way back to the Algun Smith in San Francisco and

948
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: they jumped right over some really decent athletes that they

949
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: have on their their Dallas team. Well, the Dallas Winnigades,

950
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: the Runnegades, Yes, yeah, the Renegades. They have some decent

951
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: talent on that team. I'm surprised they didn't try to

952
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: sign one of those guys. And like I said, in

953
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: particularly guy named Frank Alexander, who had a lot of

954
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: potential when he signed with Carolina coming out of college. Yeah,

955
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 1: and think about this, the last time Aldon Smith actually

956
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: played in the game was around Thanksgiving of twenty fifteen.

957
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: That's a long time and I don't know ever since.

958
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 1: If I can think of somebody that's been out of

959
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: the league that long, I've never never seen successfully returned. Right,

960
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 1: Winton was out one year, Right, he came back to

961
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: Jones to talk. Jones was out one year, he came back.

962
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, and without that offseason, boy, that's going to

963
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 1: make this one difficult. But we'll see because first and

964
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 1: four words, he's got to be reinstated before he does anything. Yeah,

965
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: that's why I'm just gonna say macause it would be very,

966
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: very helpful for him if he got reinstated and had

967
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: OTA's mini camps a training camp, and we just we

968
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: don't know what the future is going to look like.

969
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: That's why we've been doing this virtually, why the Cowboys

970
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: have been doing this virtually, why the NFL announced this

971
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: week that the draft is going to be virtual, So

972
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:34,959
Speaker 1: that'll be something that we'll have to keep our minds

973
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 1: on real quick about the draft. It's going to be

974
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: all virtual, like we've been seeing those behind the scenes interviews.

975
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: Real quick, each of you, what is what concerns you

976
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,439
Speaker 1: the most about that or what excites you the most?

977
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: What's one thing? Well, the all star of these this

978
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: virtual draft is going to be the IT departments because

979
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: they got to be perfect, right to keep the connections going,

980
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: keep the fodes going, keep the video going. And I

981
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: know for a fact that these guys are working night

982
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: and day to coordinate because all the coaches, the scouts, whatever,

983
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 1: they're all going to be in separate places. So they're

984
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: gonna be like us doing the draft. You know what

985
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: we're doing right now, you know doesn't have anything to

986
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: do with winning and losing, right, but this is going

987
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,479
Speaker 1: to be serious important. And I was reading a story

988
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: yesterday ever Sin that they said that they were going

989
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: to try and do a dry run, like have a

990
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: mock draft to make sure all thirty two teams they're

991
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: hooked up together and they could communicate, they could communicate

992
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: with the NFL office. They would have an open conference

993
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: call line for everybody to use. Boy, that's a lot

994
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: to coordinate. But again, and I think the tough thing

995
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: will be how are you going to make trades? You know,

996
00:58:55,120 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: the conversations back and forth and you're on a video board,

997
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 1: but you're gonna be on your phone. And that's true. Oh.

998
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: I think ever Sin John also see that that that's

999
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 1: a concern. That's what what if Jerry Jones drops off

1000
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: in the middle of the draft, right, uh? Or Stephen

1001
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: Jones And so yeah, that's the difficulty of this whole thing.

1002
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: So uh, you know what, Uh, I remember reading this book,

1003
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: I think goes back in high school, Brave New World,

1004
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: and we are certainly in a brave New world situation

1005
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: here trying to conduct an NFL draft over uh the

1006
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 1: seven rounds without everybody meeting in person. Yeah, it'll definitely

1007
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: be a change for everyone, but hopeful that the Cowboys

1008
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: will be able to still do their jobs to the

1009
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: best of their ability. That's gonna unfortunately do it for us.

1010
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: I think ever Sin might have popped off. But Mickey,

1011
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: thanks for Lenn Everson I pop on with you this week.

1012
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 1: We hope you guys had as much fun as we did.

1013
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: Stay tuned to Dallas Cowboys dot Com. The Draft Show

1014
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,280
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1015
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: the Draft is two weeks away from today, so that

1016
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: crew is definitely going to have plenty to talk about

1017
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,280
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1018
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,920
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1019
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:25,080
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