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Speaker 1: Take a deep breath in through your nose. Hold it now,

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Speaker 1: release slowly again, deep in helle hold release, repeating internally

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Speaker 1: to yourself as you connect to my voice. I am deeply,

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Speaker 1: deeply well. I am deeply well. I am deeply.

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Speaker 1: I'm Debbie Brown and this is the Deeply Well Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Deeply Well, a soft place to land on

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Speaker 1: your journey. A podcast for the curious and the creative

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Speaker 1: that are ready to expand in higher consciousness and self care.

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Speaker 1: This is where we heal, this is where we become.

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Speaker 1: I'm Debbie Brown. Welcome to the show. As always, thank

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Speaker 1: you for being here. We are going to dive into

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Speaker 1: some things today. I got a multi hyphen it multi

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Speaker 1: dimensional in the building. Today's special guest is Gia Peppers.

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Speaker 1: Geopeppers is an award winning on air talent, entertainment journalist, podcaster,

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Speaker 1: and her Radio one program More Than That with Gea Peppers.

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Speaker 1: She currently serves as a host for Amazon's Music's R

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Speaker 1: and B Rotation Radio, Amazon Music Live Thursday Night football

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Speaker 1: pre show, and the linear version of her award winning

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Speaker 1: radio show More Than That with Gea Peppers on Revolt TV,

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Speaker 1: Obamas When We All Vote campaign as a social ambassador,

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Speaker 1: and she lends her voice to Color of Changes, Tell

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Speaker 1: Black Stories, and hashtag Change Hollywood. And she is a

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Speaker 1: graduate of Rutgers University with a degree in journalism and

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Speaker 3: You've read the hold that you're like, wow, wow, wow, wow, Yo.

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Speaker 4: Why you forget because you just try to be so

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Speaker 3: Oh but I'm grateful for the journey and I'm so

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Speaker 3: That is one of my favorites.

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Speaker 4: I loved our meditation, the guided Practices.

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Speaker 3: But every time I have a job and have you on,

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Speaker 4: Every time, every single time, And a good guest for

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Speaker 4: that would actually be Debbie Brown. But it's because one

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Speaker 4: you've been literally what your show says, a soft place

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Speaker 4: to land for me for like at least seven years,

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Speaker 4: maybe probably before that, and like every time I see you,

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Speaker 4: just remember being like, Wow, thank God for Debbie Brown.

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Speaker 4: So I'm just so grateful you exist. And I'll be

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Speaker 4: listening to y'all guided meditations like your really is always

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Speaker 3: And then now you have this space as well.

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Speaker 4: So I'm just so glad you're taking up your space

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Speaker 1: Start there with the blessings and the grace Like in

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Speaker 1: I really received that in an incredibly deep way. Thank

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Speaker 1: way where you fall on that spectrum of sharing. But

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Speaker 1: for those that are resonating with what we're kind of

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Speaker 1: talking about, I want you to know that that is

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Speaker 1: a viable path. You just have to commit to it

440
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Speaker 1: and stop second guessing yourself. And when I walk into

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Speaker 1: rooms and they ask for my numbers and I say no,

442
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Speaker 1: I don't do that, or no, I don't sell on

443
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Speaker 1: my page, I don't want to sell products, I don't

444
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Speaker 1: want to advertise, it actually changes people. And they usually

445
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Speaker 1: look at that and say, wow, everyone else is doing that.

446
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Speaker 1: Who doesn't have a lot of followers on social media

447
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 1: these days? That is not And we also realize now

448
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Speaker 1: that it doesn't actually necessarily mean anything because people follow

449
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Speaker 1: other people for a multitude of reasons. They could just

450
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Speaker 1: like your eyebrows and be a dedicated follower. Everything can

451
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Speaker 1: do right. It doesn't mean that it's quality or not quality,

452
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Speaker 1: you know. So it's just I think once we make

453
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Speaker 1: a choice and we commit to whatever, that choice is

454
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Speaker 1: the universe will come in. It'll create the pathway that

455
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Speaker 1: makes it meaningful for us.

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Speaker 3: I like that.

457
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Speaker 4: I'm listen back today because I need to remember that

458
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Speaker 4: it's something I actually, like, really sit and pray about,

459
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Speaker 4: because I'm like, I want to make sure that I

460
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Speaker 4: steward my platform. Well, I steward the people that God

461
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Speaker 4: did put in my path and put eyes on my journey.

462
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Speaker 4: For some reason, I do want to make sure I

463
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Speaker 4: show up. I want to make sure that I'm in

464
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Speaker 4: my position. I don't want to get to heaven and

465
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Speaker 4: God be like grow you would sending watching Netflix when

466
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Speaker 4: I told you to make this, gave you a word

467
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Speaker 4: to share it to people. Now what you're doing, so

468
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Speaker 4: I want to make sure I balance it. And I

469
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Speaker 4: think it's like you said, I have to make sure

470
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Speaker 4: it's all intentional, Like my team understands, everyone understands, like

471
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Speaker 4: even if I do have to do as income, but

472
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Speaker 4: if I do it, it's got to be in a

473
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Speaker 4: space that's really intentional for the building of the people

474
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Speaker 4: that are around me that God has called to like

475
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Speaker 4: journey with me.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's an amazing thank you for that.

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Speaker 3: Let's do it. You just helped me with Dancy, so

478
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Speaker 3: everybody deeply will deep.

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Speaker 1: Gee, I'm so curious because ever since I've known you,

480
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Speaker 1: You've always been someone that absolutely was in the industry,

481
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Speaker 1: but not of the industry. Like you have always had

482
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Speaker 1: a light about you and a different internal guidance system

483
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Speaker 1: that was like always always, always notice noticeable and a

484
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Speaker 1: parent in you. And I think anytime I'd been in

485
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Speaker 1: a room with you, there was just always something that

486
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Speaker 1: really did set you apart or shine light on you

487
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Speaker 1: in a much different, deeper, fuller way. Thank you. What

488
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Speaker 1: is your belief system? How do you honor these gifts

489
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Speaker 1: that you have been blessed with, and how do you

490
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Speaker 1: kind of how do you cultivate that inner life?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, my one, I thank you so much for that

492
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Speaker 4: because that means the last Sometimes I don't feel like

493
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Speaker 4: it like there is it's there because you know, light flickers,

494
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Speaker 4: and that's another thing that like is a real thing

495
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Speaker 4: that has been a part of my journey.

496
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Speaker 3: And so I'm learning now at thirty three.

497
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Speaker 4: The Jesus Year, how to you know how to really

498
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Speaker 4: activate the things I say I believe in my life

499
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Speaker 4: and who I am and what I'm called to do.

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Speaker 3: But I think that all really started for me. You know,

501
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Speaker 3: grew up in the church.

502
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Speaker 4: Mom is super big on church, and both sides are.

503
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Speaker 4: My dad's family is actually Jovah's witness, so it was

504
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Speaker 4: interesting to see the different practices and how.

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Speaker 1: Like, because it's so my goodness, so different.

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Speaker 4: But they grew up Baptists, Like my dad went to

507
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Speaker 4: college and came back and his whole family was Jehovah's Witness.

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Speaker 3: So it was very interesting, very like, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, he was like I'm not I'm I'm at this

510
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Speaker 4: point twenty two, like I'm not about to learn a

511
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Speaker 4: whole new way.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: But but my so my dad and mom had very

514
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Speaker 4: different upbringings. But my mom's my dad's mom and my

515
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Speaker 4: mom's mom. We all the Black Church is very important

516
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Speaker 4: to our upbringing. So we were always in church.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: My first big like choir choir stage moments were like

519
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Speaker 4: really important for me. And I remember seeing the Holy

520
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Speaker 4: Spirit move for the first time for myself at like

521
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Speaker 4: thirteen years old, and we were singing on God the

522
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Speaker 4: Solid Rock, ey stand all other ground to sinking sand,

523
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Speaker 4: on Christ the Solid Rock, and and I just saw

524
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Speaker 4: the Spirit move from like left to right in the church.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, Ooh, I wonder what that is

526
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Speaker 3: like you know God?

527
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Speaker 4: I know God because my mom's every night you do

528
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Speaker 4: your prayers, we say our prayers, we pray over dinner,

529
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Speaker 4: we go about our day. But as a child, you

530
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Speaker 4: really don't know because your parents are the covering for

531
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Speaker 4: you until you get out into the world. And so

532
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Speaker 4: that's when I first saw the Holy Spirit move was

533
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Speaker 4: like when I was in the choir. Then for me,

534
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Speaker 4: I started really understanding that, like life is big and

535
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Speaker 4: deep and painful and scary. When I was graduating college

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Speaker 4: and I remember just having so much pressure put on

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Speaker 4: me from everybody, but mostly myself. I put a lot

538
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Speaker 4: of pressure on myself because I had worked so hard.

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Speaker 3: I didn't go to no two dollars twoes days at

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Speaker 3: all because I was always for love, no for lucos.

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Speaker 3: For me, I was always I'm the oldest my parents.

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Speaker 4: When in my high school years, we lived about forty

543
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Speaker 4: five minutes outside of DC, but all of my friends

544
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Speaker 4: lived in DC, so what nobody taking me home? So

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Speaker 4: I wasn't really drinking before like I was supposed to,

546
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Speaker 4: Like I waited. I was the kid that cared about rules.

547
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Speaker 4: I cared about everything. I cared about making my parents proud.

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Speaker 4: I cared about being a role model. Cared my mom

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Speaker 4: and dad told me from the time I was two

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Speaker 4: years old, you know you are the oldest in this family.

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Speaker 4: The kids are watching you, so whatever you do, they

552
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Speaker 4: will do. I wouldn't tell my child that. I would say, baby,

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Speaker 4: you a baby. These young babies and they got to

554
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Speaker 4: be the leader. But they what they were doing, what

555
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Speaker 4: they what they were taught. Both of my parents are

556
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Speaker 4: the oldest and their family so they were. They didn't

557
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Speaker 4: realize how that would affect me. But looking back, I

558
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 4: have learned how to unlearn things. It's very hard, though

559
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Speaker 4: I still be like, oh, my people are watching, but

560
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Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, but I so in college, I watched

561
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Speaker 4: a sermon from one of my pastors, one of my

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Speaker 4: home churches I have. I go to a lot of church,

563
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Speaker 4: but it's called First Baptist Church of Glenarden in Prince

564
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Speaker 4: George's County in Maryland, and the pastor is Pastor John Jenkins,

565
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Speaker 4: and he had this sermon about fear and how God

566
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Speaker 4: didn't give you the spirit of fear, but of love

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Speaker 4: and power of a town mind. That's a to Timothy

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Speaker 4: I think or one, Timothy one, five or seven. I

569
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Speaker 4: gotta I gotta make sure I get that. But what

570
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Speaker 4: it was the first time I heard it for myself

571
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Speaker 4: and actually like heard it, and I was like, ohso

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Speaker 4: everything I'm feeling is a joke, is a trick. Like

573
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Speaker 4: I'm really in here in my room freaking out, crying

574
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Speaker 4: for hours because I don't have a job. I'm scared

575
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Speaker 4: all these things are happening and is not even from God,

576
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Speaker 4: Like God didn't give me that feeling. And so from

577
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Speaker 4: that point I started actively paying attention to what my

578
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 4: belief systems were actually giving me to do. How was

579
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 4: I showing up in those because fear up until that

580
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 4: point had been a real big marker of my college career.

581
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Speaker 4: I was just afraid to make a mistake, afraid to

582
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Speaker 4: be wrong, afraid to miss my internship called like always afraid,

583
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Speaker 4: and I was just like, I didn't really ever get

584
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Speaker 4: the lesson. I'm still I'm I think I'm finally getting

585
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Speaker 4: that lesson. But that's when I started that journey. And

586
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Speaker 4: then one of my friends was killed in a drive

587
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Speaker 4: by shooting the summer after we graduated. Shout out to

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Speaker 4: Kristen laryerty K, that's my baby. I was working at

589
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 4: CBS Radio News. That was my first gig in the industry.

590
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 4: I was working overnights in the newsroom and I got

591
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Speaker 4: a call from one of my friends who went to

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Speaker 4: college with me but was from Boston where the drive

593
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Speaker 4: by shooting happened.

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Speaker 3: And she was like, girl, isn't this.

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Speaker 1: Your friend KK?

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Speaker 4: They said rest in peace, like they're posting her rest

597
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Speaker 4: in peace online and I'm like, girl, please, that ain't her.

598
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Speaker 3: I just text her two weeks ago.

599
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 4: She has my earrings, like, no, let me see you

600
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Speaker 4: text me the picture and it was her.

601
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Speaker 3: So I pulled over. I will never forget.

602
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Speaker 4: I was on the Brooklyn Bridge and I pulled over

603
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Speaker 4: and right at the like right before you get on,

604
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Speaker 4: and there was like construction. I pulled over in a

605
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Speaker 4: construction zone because I called my friend and I was like,

606
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 4: is it true, and they're like yeah. I just start

607
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 4: bursting out crying. I'm almost late for work, and I'm

608
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 4: just like no, like no, we all were just we

609
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 4: all just graduated from college, like all of us. I

610
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Speaker 4: went to Rutgers, some of my friends went to Saint

611
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Speaker 4: John's from DC, and so I was always at St.

612
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Speaker 4: John's cuse New Jersey was child to Jersey, but it

613
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Speaker 4: wasn't really my vibe. And so I was always in

614
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Speaker 4: Queens in New York, hanging out with my friends on

615
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Speaker 4: the weekends.

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Speaker 3: And so I got super close to Kristin and she's

617
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Speaker 3: a PK.

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Speaker 4: And so when we went up to her funeral, it

619
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Speaker 4: was they kept it open casket for the wake, and

620
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Speaker 4: there were pictures of all of us circling on the

621
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Speaker 4: back screen because they wanted to show her life. And

622
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Speaker 4: when I tell you, the church was full. She was

623
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Speaker 4: a youth minister, she was doing all these incredible things.

624
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Speaker 4: Her dad was so big in Boston, is so big

625
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Speaker 4: in Boston that he called together all the pastors in

626
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Speaker 4: their area to come and pray over every single teenager,

627
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Speaker 4: just recent grad every one of Kk's friends. So we

628
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Speaker 4: get on that stage. They prayed over us. They prayed

629
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Speaker 4: that we would understand that the value of life, that

630
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Speaker 4: we wouldn't be said, we wouldn't be angry, wouldn't be

631
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Speaker 4: dismissive of this moment, and that we wouldn't ever smite

632
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Speaker 4: God for taking our friend like at this moment, this dad,

633
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Speaker 4: mind you, her mother had passed away years before. So

634
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Speaker 4: at this point, this is a father who has lost

635
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Speaker 4: his wife and daughter and now only him and his

636
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 4: son is left, and he's still like, God is so good.

637
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 4: And I was just like, what type of faith is that?

638
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 4: Because I am angry, I'm sad. My friend was not

639
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 4: in anything that had to do with what happened in

640
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Speaker 4: that drive by. She was just a person sitting with

641
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Speaker 4: her friends and we were all angry. But one thing

642
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 4: they had on the seats was her Vibe magazine article.

643
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 4: She was already writing. She was already in the journalism world.

644
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Speaker 4: She had taken her internships and they were just going

645
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 4: so well. And when I left that funeral, I was like,

646
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Speaker 4: I have no reason not to live and go after

647
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 4: every single dream and go after every single thing, because

648
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Speaker 4: I have no idea when God will finally call me up.

649
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Speaker 4: But I do know that I'm gonna want to have

650
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Speaker 4: to like want to be like Yo, I really went

651
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Speaker 4: after it. I really went after every dream, Lord, every

652
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 4: gift that you gave me, I used it. And so

653
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Speaker 4: that was how I came into the industry. That's how

654
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Speaker 4: I decided to utilize I had already done we and

655
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 4: I had already done my internships.

656
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 3: I was a recent college grad, so everything changed.

657
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 4: My whole life perspective changed after that, Like I was like, oh,

658
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 4: life is real. Like my cousin I passed away when

659
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 4: I was a teenager, but that was the one where

660
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 4: I was like, when the pastors prayed over us, it's

661
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 4: it changed my perspective on how to walk into the world.

662
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 4: And so yeah, every time I went into a room,

663
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 4: I was like no, no, no, like God has me here.

664
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 4: I was always a kid that like watched Oprah. We

665
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 4: all watched Oprah every day after school. But like me

666
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 4: and my friends are studying, like okay, so Oprah said

667
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 4: that the best way. This expert said that prayer. Like

668
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 4: we were always very serious kids. So like I was

669
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 4: always like posting when when we first started posting, I

670
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 4: was always posting quotes. I was so inspired. Everything I

671
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 4: did had to do with inspiration. Like I was the

672
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 4: super soul Sunday every single Sunday. Like I was always

673
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 4: that girl that wanted was thirsty, a seeker, always wanting

674
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 4: to know how to keep my heart in this crazy

675
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 4: industry and also to keep my faith first. And so

676
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 4: that's where it comes from that that like real basis

677
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 4: of my parents raised me in the church. But having

678
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 4: your own encounter with God is a game changer. And

679
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 4: when you do, it doesn't mean your life will be perfect.

680
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 4: My life has not been perfect. My faith has waivered.

681
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 4: I've absolutely been like God, come down, square up, like

682
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 4: I know you, I know you're gonna fight me a

683
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 4: different way is just, but I need you to I

684
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 4: need to square up because you said this, like, I've

685
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 4: been that person, but I but my faith has absolutely

686
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 4: been that thing that you see, like that is just

687
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 4: God and me and me always thirsting for the best ways.

688
00:35:58,760 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 3: To show up for myself.

689
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 4: Wow, yeah, that's how it started. Now life has lifed.

690
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 4: So I've learned now that like, there are parts of

691
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 4: there are parts of myself that I lost on the journey.

692
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:16,240
Speaker 4: And sometimes I tried to recall that version of myself,

693
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 4: that girl that like was so inspired and watching everything

694
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 4: and you know, was watching May Angelou interviews every day,

695
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 4: and like and when this the dreams that you believed

696
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 4: were true don't come true, it kind of reads.

697
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 3: It shakes you. It shakes you to your core.

698
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 4: And so I have learned now now that like on

699
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 4: the other side of the journey, I am not the

700
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 4: same girl. But that doesn't mean that I'm not just

701
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 4: as brilliant, just as beautiful, just as light fieled.

702
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 3: I'm just not naive.

703
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 4: And so the naivete part of it has been a

704
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 4: struggle because like, the grass ain't as green as I

705
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 4: thought it would be. On the other side of that,

706
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 4: what I thought the world would look like and be like,

707
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 4: because the world is in shambles right now, and so

708
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 4: that that is like, it's just not as pink or

709
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 4: bright or beautiful as what I thought life would look

710
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 4: like at this age for me. But on the other side,

711
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 4: I'm like, Lord, I've You've kept me through so much,

712
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 4: and you have given me this beautiful career in this

713
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 4: this platform and this time, and my family's okay, and

714
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 4: my friends are okay, and I have a roof over

715
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 4: my head and I can pay for things, and you know,

716
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 4: like I all those things matter to me. So I've

717
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 4: learned now that it's all still working for my good.

718
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 4: And I am not twenty two years old anymore, and

719
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 4: I don't want people to to look at me completely differently,

720
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 4: but I'm but I'm not a baby anymore, and so

721
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 4: looking young gets annoying because people are like, oh, you're

722
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 4: so cute. I'm like, I'm thirty three, I've been through

723
00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 4: I've been through things, but yeah, that's where it comes from.

724
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: Deeply.

725
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 2: Well, everything that you shared was so so so so powerful.

726
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:22,839
Speaker 1: Thank you, so powerful, so embodied, so metabolized. I just really, yeah,

727
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm just taking in and really hearing all of it

728
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: because there was so much depth, so much inspiration, and

729
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 1: I think I really understand what you're saying. You know,

730
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: just kind of like even imagining you as a younger

731
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: person and just the ways that you connect to inspiration

732
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,240
Speaker 1: and inspiring and that being such a necessary an important

733
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: component of your own purpose and what you're meant to

734
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 1: share and lead and guide with. And I think that's

735
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: felt in all of your work.

736
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 3: Wow.

737
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 4: Wow, I mean it's it's one of those things that

738
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 4: like and you understand it because you understand both sides

739
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 4: of the career. We've been on spaces and writing things

740
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 4: that were like, I don't care, this is horrible, No

741
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 4: one cares about this. When the industry changed from being

742
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 4: more about clicks than about facts and substance and storytelling

743
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 4: the people, those of us who got into it to

744
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 4: tell people's stories, to sit across from someone who had

745
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 4: just had this amazing moment in their life and we

746
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 4: get to celebrate and be like, girl, you want that Grammy,

747
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 4: what's up? And it became more about like, oh, she

748
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 4: slept with someone, and that became what our editors wanted

749
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 4: from us. And as people that don't have that decision,

750
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 4: you either get fired or you ask that question. It does,

751
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 4: like I said, it starts to make you be like, oh,

752
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 4: this world is really a wild place.

753
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 1: That's when I left. Yep, yeah, that's when I left.

754
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm out. This is I think

755
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: too it. For me growing up, I always wanted to

756
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: be two things. I either wanted to be a news

757
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: anchor or child psychologist, I remember, and I wanted to

758
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: be you know, all the things, like a writer and

759
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 1: you know, but I was so deeply connected to music

760
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 1: and hip hop, and so sometimes I found myself even

761
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: in more of the trenches than most because my start

762
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: specifically started in hip hop and an underground hip hop

763
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: and so being the only woman in the room being

764
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 1: and it was I mean, yeah, it's it's a troubled now,

765
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: but it was really got the depths of the misogyny

766
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: and the you know, all the things and so yeah,

767
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: I so you get it.

768
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 3: I so get it.

769
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: And I think too, you know, and I'm a little

770
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: bit older than you. But around the time that the

771
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: industry was really significantly changing, because I got in before

772
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: it changed, and then I was there for the first

773
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: part of the change and then some of it. You know,

774
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: that is kind of how it looks now. But you know,

775
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: I remember something that was very that I was just

776
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: tracking and noticing a lot, was when like bodies became

777
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: the most important thing.

778
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: You know.

779
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: It's like I remember I would see pictures of even

780
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: colleagues and peers or doing interviews, and I always maintained

781
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: being the host of a community show wherever I was,

782
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: in addition to whatever entertainment element there was. I was

783
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: always trying to put down roots in the community. But

784
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, God, people are celebrating the

785
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 1: shape of someone's ass more than like the light that's

786
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: present in their eyes, or like seeing their face or

787
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: and for me, I just naturally will never do what

788
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: anyone else does, Like it's just in my hardwiring. And

789
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: I always wanted to be valued for my brain. And

790
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: it's funny something you said, You're like, I look young

791
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: and so that makes I always look happy, right, And

792
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: so that always made and I would be like, don't

793
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: let the smile fool you, Like she could fight but

794
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: never but I And I'm like, I can't control that.

795
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: That's my face. I look enthusiastic. I can't control it.

796
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: But like, my depth is what matters to me. Do

797
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: you see that my brain? I feed my brain. I

798
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: study constantly, like I believe an intellect and language and

799
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: like that vast internal world. And so there was so

800
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,280
Speaker 1: much about beauty that I rejected in myself and in others,

801
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: and you know, so much I was rejecting in the

802
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: way that people were kind of sharing themselves, especially because

803
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 1: of the views and the likes. Where again it's like,

804
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: you know, we're humans. We're kind of wired for aesthetic.

805
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: So if someone has a beautiful shape, they're going to

806
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: have more followers, they're going to get more clicks. But

807
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: what I'm glad that is happening now. And this is

808
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: not to shame beautiful shapes in any way, but now

809
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: that kind of everybody has that or does that, we're

810
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: coming the balance is shifting a little bit, and we're

811
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: coming into more even ground where okay, and what else

812
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: because that doesn't last. And that's kind of like when

813
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: you see women who you know, like, I want to

814
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 1: be regarded as an elder. I want to be regarded

815
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: as a sacred elder. I want to walk around with

816
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: grace radiating from me and it not having to be

817
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: about looks. But then sometimes you'll see, you know, people

818
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: who are maybe in the ages that we consider elders,

819
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: and to them, the most important thing is still how

820
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: they look, like small dresses or makeup or is someone

821
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: noticing me?

822
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 3: And I understand it.

823
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: It's like, I get it. We want to look good.

824
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: She want to be fine. I want to be flexible

825
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 1: at ninety, I want to be doing all the things

826
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: will be and will be. Yes, thank you Lord. But

827
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: there's something to be said about really honoring and cultivating

828
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: your wisdom and your depth and the qualities that can

829
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: kind of radiate out a lot farther and faster than

830
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: just the way that you look your grace, you know,

831
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: And I just think it's important. And that's why I

832
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: think it's so important that you exist and that you have,

833
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: you know, the ability to just kind of take up

834
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: as big of space as you've taken up in places

835
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: like the Today Show, having your own show on Revolt

836
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: TV and sharing things with more depth and in a

837
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: different way. It's so important that people see that, hey,

838
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: this is an option too. So if you felt alienated,

839
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: outcasted alone, you know, because maybe you weren't measuring up

840
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: in the same ways that society was valuing things. It's

841
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: so important to know that there just are other lanes,

842
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: there are other pathways.

843
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 4: And I'm so proud of like all the people who

844
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 4: have not Again, no judgment on anyone, because I some

845
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 4: people really were like no, I just wanted to get

846
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 4: these done because I've always wanted, like before it became event.

847
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: And I don't even mean surgery, whether it's whether it's

848
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: certain whatever your body is.

849
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 3: My body is your body, and you gotta fuel.

850
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: But there's other things that are valuable outside of certain

851
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: shapes of things that are connected to us.

852
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 4: Yes, and I and I love when people. I love

853
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 4: that there are girls that are all about beauty. I

854
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 4: love that there are girls that are all about fashion.

855
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 4: I love that there are girls that are like I'm

856
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 4: an author and today I didn't call my hair. I

857
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 4: love Salange so much because when I think about like

858
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:30,320
Speaker 4: that song, I am not my hair, and and how

859
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 4: even Beyonce be like the edges is curly today, let

860
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 4: them swivel up. Like sometimes we will not feel like

861
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 4: putting on to be seen, and that's okay too, And

862
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 4: I think there's space for both to exist. Like I

863
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 4: love the memes that say, like, I either look like

864
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 4: a troll under a bridge or a supermodel.

865
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 3: There it's me.

866
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: Day.

867
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: You see me at the wrong time at the grocery store.

868
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 3: Oh child, don't even look at me. I am not

869
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: to be seen today. Ahead, no makeup on.

870
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 4: I don't and I don't care because sometimes our skins

871
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 4: needs our skin needs to breathe. But like, sometimes I

872
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 4: don't feel like talking, Like sometimes I really need time

873
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 4: to recharge because we give.

874
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 3: So much of ourselves. Next thing, you know, you're.

875
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: Like, can I tell you I have a button that

876
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: says honoring silence. So when we used to do retreats

877
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: with Chopra, one of the retreats we do each year

878
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: was our Silent Retreat, And so we'd be I'd be

879
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: leading these retreats with Deepak and we'd have about four

880
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,479
Speaker 1: hundred people. We'd be in the woods and everyone would

881
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 1: be holding silent. So there would be absolutely no talking,

882
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: and we'd be meditating, you know, six hours a day

883
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: and courses hearing from DEEPOK. And so I have like

884
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: we had these buttons that everyone would wear, and so

885
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: I have a few. And sometimes I'll take a day

886
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: and I'll say I have to be in silence today,

887
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: and I'll put that button on and I'll still move

888
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 1: through my neighborhood and if I need to order something,

889
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 1: I'll just kind of te to the button smiles say,

890
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 1: you know, like show gratitude and get what I need.

891
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 1: But there is something that is so powerful and beautiful

892
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 1: about having chances and opportunities in your days, your weeks,

893
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: your months to not have to play a role for anyone,

894
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: right like even the little dance we do when we're

895
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: holding a door for someone, when you're catching someone's eye,

896
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: quick smile, it's beautiful. We're connected, we're in community, but

897
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: we have to have opportunities where we're not doing that

898
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 1: so that we can get to the essence of who

899
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: we are and see what needs our attention.

900
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 4: And sometimes I just take myself to like a good beach,

901
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 4: and I'd be like, I don't have it today, But

902
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:44,919
Speaker 4: I'm most say with the ocean and I'm gonna hear

903
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 4: the birds, and I'm gonna, you know, take my time

904
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 4: and not worry about waking up on time and just

905
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 4: sit with my thoughts. And that is such a necessary

906
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 4: thing for me, Like I can feel when I'm burning out,

907
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 4: like I'm like, oh, all right, I've got to pull

908
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 4: it back because if not, then I will be limping

909
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 4: through the things I need to do instead of fully

910
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 4: showing up. And so I agree, there's something so great

911
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 4: about being like, no, I'm going away.

912
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 1: Deeply well as you are someone that is very busy,

913
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 1: and a lot of the work that you do, it

914
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: is about kind of what is happening right now in

915
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: the world, and what do I need to say? What

916
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: am I you know, highlighting what am I showing? So

917
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: that means your brain and body and your emotional world

918
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: are connected to a lot of different things at once.

919
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 1: How do you maintain this light and this piece amidst

920
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: such a busy, thriving career.

921
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, so my daily practice looks like making sure that

922
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 4: I wake up in enough time to journal for at

923
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 4: least twenty thirty because I have not only is my

924
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 4: mental space always on like with a million tabs open,

925
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 4: that does not help that I like an overthinker anyway,

926
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 4: like naturally, since I was old enough to be aware

927
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:16,959
Speaker 4: of my thoughts, I have always had a journal. Shout

928
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 4: out to Masha and Myra Brakakiel because y'all saved I

929
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 4: needed to be able to write in a diary because

930
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 4: it just was a space for me that I could

931
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 4: be one hundred percent myself and also just get out

932
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 4: the thoughts. And so I've had a diary, are now

933
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 4: a journal since I was like twelve or eleven years old,

934
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 4: and so that's always been a space for me to

935
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 4: be one, let the thoughts out and see how I feel.

936
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 4: Then two, make sure that my that my If the

937
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 4: thoughts are not great, and if they are on the

938
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 4: depressive side, because I have had bouts of depression before

939
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 4: in my life, I make sure that I write it

940
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 4: and let it be seen and let it be felt

941
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 4: and let it be heard, even if it's just me

942
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 4: my eyes.

943
00:49:58,640 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 3: That are seeing.

944
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 4: And when I have the energy and when I am not,

945
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 4: like some days, I'm like I gotta sulk, I gotta

946
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 4: feel it. Whatever this is, it's a pattern that keeps

947
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 4: coming up. So let me feel everything, let me do

948
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 4: a spiral, Let me watch Netflix for an hour or

949
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 4: two and just let it be. But when I finally

950
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 4: get the energy to like really sit and fight for

951
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 4: that light that exists again, I write literally the bad

952
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 4: thoughts and then the reality, like the lie and the truth,

953
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 4: because a lot of the times it's just we don't

954
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 4: even know whose thoughts we're consuming because we are always

955
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 4: getting messages from everything and everyone. I worry about my generation,

956
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 4: and especially this next generation coming up right now, because

957
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 4: we are the first generation to live in constant awareness

958
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 4: of thousands of other people's lives. Yes, like, growing up,

959
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 4: our parents had to know about the people down the street,

960
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 4: the twenty thirty people that they grew.

961
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 3: Up with in their family and immediately friends in.

962
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 4: High school and that's where everything and that's why they

963
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 4: would get married out of high school and college because

964
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 4: it was only sixteen people.

965
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: That they met.

966
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 3: And now we.

967
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 4: Literally interact with sixteen people in one second, whether we

968
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 4: select when we swipe our phones. And I worry about

969
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 4: that a lot because I'm like, what does that do

970
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 4: to us? Meant, what are we energetically spending energy on,

971
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 4: spending time, investing, spending thought on That is not what

972
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 4: we're what other generations have and how is that gonna

973
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,439
Speaker 4: change us? Because I went to a party the last

974
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 4: weekend and it was so fun because people didn't have

975
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 4: their phones out for ones and I was like, wow,

976
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 4: this is this is what must have been what it

977
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 4: was like in the nineties.

978
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,359
Speaker 3: Like this is nice, Like this is like I it's an.

979
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: Adult life we thought we were walking into right, Like

980
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: that was the generation we were kind of watching and

981
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: thinking that was going to be our past.

982
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 3: Exactly.

983
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,959
Speaker 1: It's so funny you say this because two years ago,

984
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: well maybe I don't know. I don't know what year

985
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: it is. Maybe a little more than that. Who knows

986
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: what time? What's time?

987
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 3: Right? No, it could have been yesterday, I could have

988
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 3: been four years ago.

989
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: But a couple of years ago, I actually unfollowed one

990
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: hundred percent of everybody on all of my social media

991
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: for that very reason, because it came into my awareness

992
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: like I don't want to know the nuance of everyone's life.

993
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: I have to have space in my own brain for me.

994
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 1: And it's like, and you know there's people that you

995
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: can I loved meeting you. I've really enjoyed it, and

996
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 1: like if I catch eyes with you again, and where

997
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: somewhere it's going to be like, Wow, it's great to

998
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: see you. But do I need to know what you

999
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: cook every day? Do I need to know what you're

1000
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 1: currently thinking about, what you're reading, the plants in your house?

1001
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: The thing I don't if you're not an active member

1002
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: of my life. It is not necessary for either of

1003
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: us to be invested in the nuance of one another's

1004
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:52,760
Speaker 1: day to day. It takes up way too much space.

1005
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: It's unnatural, it's not how things are supposed to flow.

1006
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: And I also worry about the pressure that's on our brains.

1007
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: You know, there was something I read that said in

1008
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: an hour, we think about more things than our ancestors

1009
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: thought about for the entirety of their lives. Now if

1010
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 1: you really think of the depth of that, And obviously

1011
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 1: that's for such a multitude of reasons, right, Like, we're

1012
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: so overly connected. We have so we're able to see

1013
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: everything that's happening in the world at all times. We're

1014
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: investigating ourselves. You know, there's nine billion people on the planet,

1015
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,720
Speaker 1: you know all the things. But also I think about

1016
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: all the stats that come out about women's health. And

1017
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: we're overthinkers anyway, because we're typically the connective tissue or

1018
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: the glue for a lot of things. So the rates

1019
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: of Alzheimer's and women, the rates of dementia and women,

1020
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: right brain fog and women. For so many women, brain

1021
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: fog lasts from pregnancy till forever, you know, And it's like, okay,

1022
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 1: so why is that? What are we over kind of

1023
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 1: pumping in information that is not necessary into our brains

1024
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven. I'd rather use the time to

1025
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: study something I'm interested in, or I'd rather use the

1026
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: time to go deeper with the reciprocal ration relationships in

1027
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: my life where we're nourishing one another. I need to

1028
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: know about the nuance of the lives of people I'm

1029
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: intimately connected with. That's how we stay connected, that's how

1030
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: we stay fresh, that's how we see each other, and

1031
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: we're able to go deeper. I cannot and I will

1032
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: not do that for every acquaintance I know, or every

1033
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: person that you know I just got along with for

1034
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: a little bit or met at an event, or every

1035
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: person that likes me. I can't do it.

1036
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 3: That's good because it's wild how many like.

1037
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 4: Ways that we can sign up for friendships that we

1038
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 4: had no idea we were a part of and I'm like, well,

1039
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 4: who said dad, because I just we went out one

1040
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 4: time and now you want me out every night.

1041
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 3: It's like, first all I sleep like I love my sleep.

1042
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 3: But second way, you don't know my middle name.

1043
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 4: You don't know my middle name like I've had, and

1044
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 4: that's another thing that I've had. Also, I want to

1045
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 4: finish up our question about how I actively participate in

1046
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 4: building light in my life. It's spending time with family.

1047
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 4: Like I'm between New York and LA. Not really New

1048
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 4: York as much, but really between DC and LA. I'm

1049
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 4: always on a flight to DC because I know that

1050
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 4: my parents won't be here forever, and like.

1051
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 3: I cannot and I will not waste time.

1052
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 4: And it has surely affected my dating life because it's like, girl,

1053
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,240
Speaker 4: you need to be sitting but down in one place,

1054
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,439
Speaker 4: and maybe people want to know you know where you at,

1055
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 4: but I don't know. I every time I go home

1056
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 4: and I see my parents, I'm just like, thank god,

1057
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 4: I can call my mommy, I can call my dad,

1058
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 4: that's amazing.

1059
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 3: I can call my brother and my sister. That's amazing.

1060
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 4: So I really soak up their They're.

1061
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 3: Like they've known me.

1062
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 4: They don't care what I do yes, I make them

1063
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 4: very proud. Great they raised us to be proud. We

1064
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 4: have to be something to be proud of. We have

1065
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 4: no choice, my brother, my sister and myself have no

1066
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 4: choice but to continue to show up in the greatness

1067
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 4: that they literally blaze the trail of like that.

1068
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 3: That is not something that we take lightly and we

1069
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 3: know it.

1070
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 4: So we are always constantly trying to make sure that

1071
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 4: you know, when they pass the baton of the family

1072
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 4: and the house and all that we're carrying it somewhere higher.

1073
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 4: So that's nice, that's right, and that's so that's like

1074
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 4: a given that's given in our life. You better be excellent,

1075
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 4: Like my parents work their butt off so we would be.

1076
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, like you know,

1077
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,879
Speaker 4: that's something that's really important to me, and the people

1078
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 4: in DC know me and care for me in a

1079
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 4: way that like because I'm theirs, like I was born

1080
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 4: in DC and Maryland, like that's I'm home all the time,

1081
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,919
Speaker 4: like I'm always putting on for the DMV because it's

1082
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 4: all of who I am, or shape so much of

1083
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,760
Speaker 4: who I am. And then the industry is interesting because

1084
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 4: you meet people who only see you from like the

1085
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 4: industry one, and they have no idea like what you.

1086
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,839
Speaker 3: Went through to get there, but they think they know you.

1087
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 4: And it's like because they've seen you for years, and

1088
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 4: you're like, oh, okay, what do you what do you?

1089
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 3: Why do you think that about me? Like I've had

1090
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 3: to ask on my industry friends, like.

1091
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 4: You think that, Okay, you think that's true, But yeah, no,

1092
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 4: that's a pattern that I that's that's a war wound

1093
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 4: that I put up a wall around to protect me

1094
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 4: so I wouldn't injure myself even more deeply. But that's

1095
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 4: not who I am. Like I had to. I've learned

1096
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 4: to put up walls. But then some of my best friends,

1097
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 4: my best friend Kristen, when I'm home and I'm a

1098
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 4: little too like thuggy, she like, you're not in New York,

1099
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 4: You're not in LA.

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00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 3: Put it down, You're fine, You're home, And I have

1101
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 3: to learn.

1102
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 4: I've had to learn how to put up walls to

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00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 4: protect myself, but also make sure that when like when

1104
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 4: I am going home, it's it's a sacred time because

1105
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 4: I can be my full self. I can literally just

1106
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 4: be like, girl, these people, I want to talk about work,

1107
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 4: what's going on with you and what's going on with life,

1108
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 4: and it reminds me that life outside of work really

1109
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 4: really matters. And so I stay around my my people

1110
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 4: like my day ones, my family and my friends.

1111
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:13,919
Speaker 3: And then I also go to church.

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00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 4: No matter where I am, I'm pulling up to somebody's church,

1113
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 4: like I I that that is everything for me. So

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00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 4: I have churches that I go to in Cali like

1115
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 4: One Church LA and Callie Worship DC. I have Zion

1116
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 4: and First Baptist of Glenard and my parents' family church.

1117
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 4: And then I have New York my Manual Baptist Church

1118
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 4: in Atlanta. Because I'm always there, I started to go

1119
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 4: to change church so like I'm if I'm there on

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00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 4: a Sunday, like people know that I will.

1121
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 3: I'm not working Sunday mornings or even Sunday.

1122
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 4: If there's like a church service that I can't I

1123
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 4: got a miss to do this, I'm not doing it.

1124
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 4: Because church really fellowship and the hour, the two hours

1125
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 4: or whatever you get to just actually sit there really

1126
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 4: just helps me in a different way, especially in my thirties,

1127
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 4: like and after COVID when I when we really we

1128
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 4: couldn't though, that's what I was like, Oh, oh whenever,

1129
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 4: whenever church opens back up, I'm gonna be there.

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00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: Wow.

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00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 3: So that's been mine.

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00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: That's so beautiful. Yeah, and what a gorgeous anchoring. You know.

1133
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: It's like you know what you need and so wherever

1134
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: you happen to be doing, whatever work you happen to

1135
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: be doing, you know how to connect to the core

1136
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 1: of yourself. You know how to meet your needs wherever

1137
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: life takes you. That is so powerful.

1138
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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:37,720
Speaker 1: Deeply. Well. So, last piece, I want to talk about

1140
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: congratulations on finishing season one of your shows, or then

1141
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: that with Gea Pepper's wereposed to be episode I'm one

1142
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: episode too. God that What I really loved about the

1143
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: show that you created was there may be a theme

1144
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: to each episode, but you're telling the story in such

1145
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: a multi i pronged approach and I think you really

1146
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: were diving into some of the side streets of whatever

1147
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: it was that you were investigating or sharing, and I

1148
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: think it gave people so much information. Especially for the

1149
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 1: episode that I'm on, episode two about wellness. It was

1150
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's like when we think of wellness, it's

1151
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: a massive umbrella that so many things are under. And yes,

1152
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: it's I think I valuate as like a three trillion

1153
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: dollar industry at this time. But wellness encompasses everything from

1154
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: workout to literal health and insurance and like to mental health,

1155
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: to emotional health, to spiritual health, to eating food, to nutrition,

1156
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: to exercise, and you know, it's just everything falls under

1157
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: that category. And so I thought it was really cool

1158
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: because in the episode that I did with you, we

1159
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: had a chance to kind of dive into meditation. We

1160
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: had like this beautiful ceremony, and then we also got

1161
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,919
Speaker 1: to die into like beauty and we got to dive

1162
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: into like what are the things that we're putting on

1163
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: and in our bodies and all of that is so

1164
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: important when we understand that we want to be well

1165
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: or have more access to wellness or expand our well being. Like,

1166
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: we got to dive into all the fibers of it.

1167
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 1: So talk to me one, how was it kind of

1168
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: taking it from a podcast turning into a TV show

1169
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 1: and then how to creating this season? What did it

1170
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: mean to you?

1171
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 3: Well?

1172
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 4: I think first I have to say that Urban One

1173
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 4: and Dents who actually came up with the show before

1174
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 4: I was even a part of it. So Brittany Pacnett

1175
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 4: Cunningham was the original intended host of this show. So

1176
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 4: this show came out of an answer Brittany right, all

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01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:50,919
Speaker 4: we love you see, but also a guest on several

1178
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 4: episodes from that. But my favorite thing about it was

1179
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 4: this was a project that came out of the challenge

1180
01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 4: that black and man could put on all these corporations

1181
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 4: during the civil rights two point zero uprising of twenty

1182
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 4: twenty and twenty twenty one, after George Floyd's murder and

1183
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 4: all the subsequent murders that happened after that. This was

1184
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 4: urban one and dense Who's way of making sure that

1185
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 4: they were creating conversations that were about how we move

1186
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 4: forward with all we know, but how we approach wellness

1187
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 4: from every single aspect of what's happening in our lives,

1188
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 4: like being a black person. Brittany Pacnette Cunningham's person that

1189
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 4: said this, every black person you meet is a miracle

1190
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 4: because of all the crap that is always put into

1191
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 4: our minds and our bodies literally from the time we

1192
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 4: was stolen from Africa, like that, the oppression, the literal

1193
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 4: things that we have to always fight through to even

1194
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 4: show up, Like how are we having conversations now about Okay,

1195
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 4: so this is where we are. We've got incredible movement,

1196
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 4: but clearly there's a lot of work still to be done.

1197
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 4: How are we taking care of the full person? And

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Speaker 4: so we season one in twenty twenty one. Brittany called

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Speaker 4: me and was like, says, I am overwhelmed. I have

1200
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of shows already on my plate. Min

1201
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 4: you know, Brittany's an activist. He really about this is like,

1202
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 4: you don't follow Brittany Pacnett cutting ms Pagietti.

1203
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 3: I don't know what you're doing. But she was already

1204
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 3: her plate.

1205
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,760
Speaker 4: Her plate was so full, and she was like, I

1206
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 4: wanted to give it to somebody that I thought would

1207
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 4: do a great job with this.

1208
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:23,919
Speaker 3: She called me. I didn't really know much about the show.

1209
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 4: I just knew it was about it was about making

1210
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 4: sure that we had conversations around wellness and social justice.

1211
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 4: And at that time, I'm trying to figure out how

1212
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 4: to activate my activism, because you know, we were all

1213
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 4: trying to figure out, well, how can I do it?

1214
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 4: We're marching, we're donating, but I've still felt like I

1215
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 4: wanted to do more in This show gave me that

1216
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 4: opportunity to do that. So I always say shout out

1217
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 4: to my sister Brittany, because that's why sister had matters.

1218
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 4: Peer and love matters. Because if I can't do something,

1219
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:52,600
Speaker 4: I know that I can call you, or I can

1220
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,959
Speaker 4: call a whole gang of girls that I know would

1221
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 4: do it do it well if I cannot do it,

1222
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 4: like if I'm at capacity.

1223
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 3: And so that's how that happened.

1224
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 4: Initially in the first seasons, we talked about everything from

1225
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 4: the black maternal mortality rate to how food is literally

1226
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 4: fuel for your body, and why certain conversations that we're

1227
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 4: having around social justice are confusing for older generations, and

1228
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 4: what we can say to make sure that we are

1229
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 4: leveling the playing field and more than that. On radio

1230
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 4: was in one hundred and four market, so it was

1231
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 4: really dope because we got older generations to listen to

1232
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 4: kind of what was happening on Black Twitter, and like

1233
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 4: it was interesting to hear like, oh.

1234
01:04:31,640 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 3: Okay, so that's what that hashtag means.

1235
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: You know.

1236
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 4: Just it was like almost like a dinner time dialogue

1237
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 4: series that I really loved because you could bring these topics,

1238
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 4: these vast topics, these major things that were happening in

1239
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 4: that era in that year and bringing them back to

1240
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 4: the dinner table and be like, Okay, mom and dad

1241
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 4: or grandma, I think we need to have a conversation

1242
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 4: about what you're eating or what you're listening to, or

1243
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,959
Speaker 4: what to say in the delivery room that could maybe

1244
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 4: save your life.

1245
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 3: So there were really.

1246
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 4: Important conversations that we were having, Yeah, and so they

1247
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 4: came up with that series.

1248
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 3: There's a lot there's several producers.

1249
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 4: That are amazing and that we all work together and

1250
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 4: essentially every season we come together kind of look in

1251
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 4: our timelines and our text semessage threads, what are the

1252
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 4: conversations that we're having and what they're making, what's making

1253
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 4: people stressed and worried, What do we need to really

1254
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 4: talk about and what do we need to unpack that

1255
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 4: we haven't before. And so they wanted to bring it

1256
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 4: to TV and so they sent it out to different

1257
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 4: brands and Revolt ended up being our distribution partners.

1258
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 3: And so we partner with G.

1259
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 4: Factor Torrents, who you met on set, and then Densu

1260
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 4: was tool, you know, making sure that partners like all

1261
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 4: P and G Kroger, GM, all these people are coming

1262
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 4: along to make sure that they're funding these conversations because

1263
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 4: it takes so.

1264
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 3: Much money, y'all to do these things.

1265
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 4: Nobody really talks about how much it takes to like

1266
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 4: film episodes, and so yeah, they we figured out four

1267
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 4: topics that we haven't really touched on or wanted to

1268
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 4: go deeper into, and we we sat down, came up

1269
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 4: with a plan and figured out how to get into

1270
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 4: these cities and talk about certain things that are happening

1271
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 4: that are always going to be representative of more than one.

1272
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 3: City in the world.

1273
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 4: Like we talked about how HBCUs need more funding on

1274
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 4: episode one with Angel from the Spice Suite. That's my

1275
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:18,440
Speaker 4: sister who was also in the first season, and then

1276
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 4: my mom who is a professor at Howard and Howard

1277
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 4: grad two time Howard graduate and the reason why I

1278
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 4: know why I love Howard University so much, and so

1279
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 4: you know, Howard is underfunded, but so are all the HBCUs,

1280
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:33,040
Speaker 4: like for the most part, So we talked about that.

1281
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 3: Then beauty and wellness.

1282
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 4: If we think about the three trillion dollars, we also

1283
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 4: think about the fact that the first ever millionaire was

1284
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 4: a black the first ever beauty millionaire that we know

1285
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 4: of in Black in the Black Space was Madam C. J.

1286
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 3: Walker.

1287
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:47,160
Speaker 4: So there's so many people who are carrying on the

1288
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 4: legacy of beauty and wellness.

1289
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 3: And making.

1290
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 4: Money in their communities, but also doing it with intention

1291
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 4: and doing it for the opportunities to allow women to

1292
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 4: take up space. And so when we thought about that,

1293
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 4: I was like, well, I know someone who's always making

1294
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 4: sure that women can take up their space through all.

1295
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 3: The work that she does.

1296
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 4: And so when we were thinking about guests, I was like,

1297
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 4: oh no, we must have Debbie Brown.

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Speaker 3: She's going to be on here.

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Speaker 4: She's going to be incredible, and she was, so make

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Speaker 4: sure you guys check that out. But we really wanted

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Speaker 4: to make sure that we sit down and we do

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Speaker 4: something different because there's a lot of loud topics that

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Speaker 4: have nothing to do with our lives. They're just like

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Speaker 4: numbing and also a way to be like, oh, well

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Speaker 4: that I've.

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Speaker 3: Never done that.

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Speaker 4: I'm not that Like sometimes people just be watching it

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Speaker 4: just to be like, well, look at least I do that.

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Speaker 3: I may have done this, but this stuff.

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Speaker 4: Can actually help you, Like these conversations we're having can

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Speaker 4: actually make you think twice about something in your life

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Speaker 4: and hopefully improve it. In that area, or if you

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Speaker 4: see something in your town and your community that you're

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Speaker 4: not liking, maybe we can give you some inspiration on

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Speaker 4: how to step up to the plate if you are

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Speaker 4: ever given an opportunity or you make your opportunity to change.

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Speaker 3: Something for the better.

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Speaker 4: And so yeah, I love where we where, where we

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Speaker 4: got with it and hopefully will get to do more.

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Speaker 4: Twelve million dollars was reinvested into black businesses, black communities

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Speaker 4: through this work, so it was it's been amazing. But

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Speaker 4: I did not, you know, create the show. I was

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Speaker 4: brought on after it was kind of already pitching green

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Speaker 4: Light Greenlit, uh. And from there that's why I had

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Speaker 4: to fight to be a koe p because my voice

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Speaker 4: now of course matters to the show much more. I

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Speaker 4: make sure I fight for the certain things. I don't

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Speaker 4: win every fight, but at the end of the day,

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Speaker 4: that's how the show came together.

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Speaker 1: Wow yeah, Wow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been crazy. It's been a crazy right.

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Speaker 1: We work hard, amazing, we work hard.

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Speaker 3: We were DeBie. It is hard work.

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Speaker 4: But at the other side of it, I learned a

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Speaker 4: lot about like making sure that if you ever let

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Speaker 4: someone put your name in a show, that you created

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Speaker 4: because everybody does think I created it, and I'm like,

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Speaker 4: I didn't you it's not. But I am creating things

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Speaker 4: now that I'm actually having full autonomy over I'm funding them. Like,

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Speaker 4: as you know, this is a real important work that

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Speaker 4: you make sure that you're not over edited or over

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Speaker 4: not not really able to show up as your full self.

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Speaker 4: And so sometimes when you do sign on to the

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Speaker 4: things that already exist, or you work with other platforms

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Speaker 4: that have you in mind for a certain thing, you

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Speaker 4: don't get to show your full personality or your full

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Speaker 4: breadth of what you care about. And so now I

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Speaker 4: am creating spaces for those conversations. So I'm grateful for

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Speaker 4: the experience though, because it definitely gave me back more

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Speaker 4: confidence as a creative.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, creation is so important and so implantant. Oh Sia

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Speaker 1: Chia Jiah okay. As we close this episode, At the

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Speaker 1: end of every episode, I like to invite our guests

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Speaker 1: to share some soul work with our listening audience that

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Speaker 1: they can take with them for after this episode. Whether

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Speaker 1: it's to journal, It could be a prompt, it could

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Speaker 1: be a self care practice, it could be a quote

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Speaker 1: or piece of advice. But what would you like to

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Speaker 1: share with the audience that they can kind of savor

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Speaker 1: as this episode.

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Speaker 3: And I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 4: I would tell everyone listening because we had a lot

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Speaker 4: of creative conversation, and we had a lot of conversation

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Speaker 4: about like industry and showing up as your full self.

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Speaker 4: I would tell every person who listens that you are

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Speaker 4: an answered prayer. That there is so much about you

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Speaker 4: that you would never even know because when you were

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Speaker 4: in your mom's belly, or when your grandparents are praying

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Speaker 4: that there would be a generation that would be more

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Speaker 4: free than them, When when God put his ideals to

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Speaker 4: work and put them into life through you, you are

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Speaker 4: already here for a purpose, already here for a reason,

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Speaker 4: and everything you're doing is what matters to your life.

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Speaker 4: There's a reason why you're breathing. There's a reason why

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Speaker 4: you're still here. And I hope you take stock in

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Speaker 4: that and take pride in the fact that you fought

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Speaker 4: to see another day. And I hope that you are

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Speaker 4: grateful for what you've been through and grateful for what

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Speaker 4: will come ahead. Because what's for you will never miss you.

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Speaker 4: It's already predestined, it's already pre written. All you have

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Speaker 4: to do is continue to try and show up to

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Speaker 4: be the best version of yourself to take up that

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Speaker 4: space because it's it's literally yours. Like for me again,

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Speaker 4: God and my faith is what drives me, and the

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Speaker 4: Bible says for I know the plans I have for you. Declear,

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Speaker 4: the Lord plans to prosper you, to give you a

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Speaker 4: hope in the future. Like that's one of the things

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Speaker 4: that always keeps me going. So just remember that there

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Speaker 4: are plans assigned to you for you on purpose, whatever

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Speaker 4: vision that you have. It might be hard, it might

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Speaker 4: be scary, it might be something that you feel that

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Speaker 4: is bigger than you, but that is okay because it

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Speaker 4: is for you and no one can do it exactly

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Speaker 4: like you do it. So show up, show out, and

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Speaker 4: we can't wait to see what you do.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Ah, you are such a beautiful person.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, sisters.

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Speaker 1: How are you? Thank you?

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Speaker 3: I love you so much. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: I love you too. Thank you for joining. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for your wisdom, thank you for your grace, Thank you

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Speaker 1: for your devotion to the calling on your life.

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Speaker 3: Thank you let me receive that. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: I want to come back. This is amazing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a big conversation. Thank you for watching,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. However, this show and may have

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Speaker 1: found its way into your heart, your ears, and your brain.

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Speaker 1: Share this with someone that you think will really feel

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Speaker 1: this in a deep way and then talk about it. No,

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