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Speaker 5: episode number one hundred.
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Speaker 5: episodes in Brian still hasn't figured out the chair, but that's.
Speaker 3: Okay, working on in Boston.
Speaker 2: We'll keep working on that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've been working for you for about fourteen
Speaker 3: years and chair never works.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Maybe at some point we'll just say it's the chair
Speaker 5: and we need to get you a new chair.
Speaker 3: Exactly. We're a good man.
Speaker 4: We're speaking of chairs. Someone got rid of our chairs
Speaker 4: at training camp years ago. I oun't know where what
Speaker 4: remember that we took the chairs we had back at
Speaker 4: Valley Ranch. Yeah, and we shipped them out on the truck. Well,
Speaker 4: I had the comfortable chairs, and then we decided to
Speaker 4: leave them out there for storage. And then we got
Speaker 4: in back the next year, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: two years after, we never found them.
Speaker 3: Never found the chairs again. I started bringing my own chair.
Speaker 3: Bucky and Mike were nice enough to let me pack
Speaker 3: a chair camp or camp.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was your big leather chair.
Speaker 3: I had my leather chair. Yeah. She's right though, Emperor and.
Speaker 4: He got me to take my chair as well, because
Speaker 4: those chairs on training camp are really uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I have the video of the last day at
Speaker 3: Valley Ranch, like when we closed the door and turn
Speaker 3: off the lights, that kind of thing, And yeah, I
Speaker 3: missed that chair. There's probably there's probably somebody an Oxnard
Speaker 3: there that has that chair, and it's probably sitting back
Speaker 3: right now listening to our broadcast.
Speaker 5: Nick and I don't worry about that. We're just out
Speaker 5: there grinding, just fighting for our lives. Yeah, that's just
Speaker 5: what we know. We were always fighting for your lives.
Speaker 2: I remember the old T shirts, right, if you do,
Speaker 2: you still have yours. I do still have had it
Speaker 2: on the other day, I wear.
Speaker 3: It every once while goes what does this mean? And
Speaker 3: I go, you really don't want to know.
Speaker 5: You really don't want to know. Oh that was before
Speaker 5: your time, though, that was your time. Sometimes I forget
Speaker 5: you went around for something that old.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, Jason Garrett, he used to come up
Speaker 4: with some interesting slogans for the season and and acronyms
Speaker 4: and stuffs that were very interesting.
Speaker 2: So we can't move one of our own. Tell you
Speaker 2: the story, tell you all right? So who's were going
Speaker 2: to do today?
Speaker 3: Obviously Derek did a really smart thing not acquiring us
Speaker 3: to go to that big meeting that they had that
Speaker 3: brought us all like, hey, boss, this is a bad idea. Man,
Speaker 3: this guy's giving me the raw ross and I'm about
Speaker 3: to tell him he can't coach a lit Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sometimes we do have to politely declined thank you.
Speaker 3: But note Eric said, thank you very much. We'll catch
Speaker 3: you down the road.
Speaker 2: No, but what I said was I will go for
Speaker 2: the group.
Speaker 3: You guys, yeah, exactly, all know and represent our You're
Speaker 3: a great boss, that's the question.
Speaker 5: All right, let's talk. Here's what we got to talk
Speaker 5: about today. We got to talk about the coaching search.
Speaker 5: More has happened since last week when we met. We'll
Speaker 5: spend a little time on that in the second segment
Speaker 5: and maybe even the third segment.
Speaker 2: I have some questions for you guys.
Speaker 5: It's really our season in review, and I'm gonna take
Speaker 5: you guys into some questions about how the season played
Speaker 5: out and some some different thoughts you may have on
Speaker 5: different things that happen and how they affected this team
Speaker 5: and how we ultimately ended up where we ended up
Speaker 5: at seven and ten. But let's start first with the
Speaker 5: coaching search. At this point, they have interviewed Kellen Moore,
Speaker 5: Robert Sela, Leslie Fraser, and Brian Schottenheimer.
Speaker 2: Let's go through each of them and what I'd like
Speaker 2: you to do.
Speaker 5: I'm going to give you a name, and I want
Speaker 5: you to tell me what you like about the candidate
Speaker 5: and what you don't And I wouldn't eve say don't
Speaker 5: like about the candidate, but what concerns you most about
Speaker 5: the candidate? All right, so's start first with Kellen Moore.
Speaker 5: What do you like about him? What concerns you most
Speaker 5: about him?
Speaker 2: I think as a head coaches.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think innovative as an offensive play caller.
Speaker 6: I say innovative in the sense that his offenses have
Speaker 6: been changing from year to year. He would be the
Speaker 6: youngest head coach in the NFL at thirty six years old.
Speaker 6: I think there's still a lot of growth to have
Speaker 6: in his game.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 6: Granted, growth could also be a negative, and it's going
Speaker 6: to be part of my negative is the fact that
Speaker 6: you don't have an established head coach and Kellen Moore
Speaker 6: and you know, there were, you know, concerns whenever he
Speaker 6: left here about you know, does he have the presence
Speaker 6: to be a head coach.
Speaker 7: That would definitely be something he would have to answer
Speaker 7: as well.
Speaker 3: I think the presence is the biggest problem for me,
Speaker 3: and in first and I don't mean that in a
Speaker 3: way to be mean. I just maybe I've from a
Speaker 3: different era of football where when guys stand up in
Speaker 3: front of me, you know, I have to believe, you know,
Speaker 3: sell me, sell me on why I should follow you,
Speaker 3: Tell me why I should you know, sacrifice everything for
Speaker 3: the next ten months to follow you, you know, And
Speaker 3: and some people have that ability to do. There's been
Speaker 3: some great leaders that have been terrible head coaches. There's
Speaker 3: been some terrible leaders that have been really good head coaches.
Speaker 3: You know, quiet guys. There's Tony Dungees of the world.
Speaker 3: Tom Landry here very quiet except when he got in
Speaker 3: a meeting, then he would he would get on his players.
Speaker 3: So but to me, man, I think in this day
Speaker 3: and age, would I gravitate towards more towards the Dan
Speaker 3: Campbell line of thinking, then I do the Tony Dungee
Speaker 3: line of thinking. So to me, that would be that
Speaker 3: would be a negative to me as far as the
Speaker 3: presence of you know, of the stature of the guy
Speaker 3: standing in front. Can you can you make me follow you?
Speaker 3: I don't know if I can, if he can make
Speaker 3: me follow him?
Speaker 5: Do you have a positive one thing that you would think, Hey,
Speaker 5: that would be an actual advantage.
Speaker 7: I think.
Speaker 3: I think the fact that he spent a lot of
Speaker 3: his career here as a coach would help. I think
Speaker 3: that gets he understands there are things that are involved.
Speaker 3: He understands there's dot Com. He understands, there's blue Star
Speaker 3: of this blue Star that he understands. There's tours, he understands,
Speaker 3: there's a cafeteria. He knows who the locker room is,
Speaker 3: he knows where the coach's offices. He knows that the
Speaker 3: sun shines through the windows sometimes at three twenty five
Speaker 3: in the afternoon on a Sunday, you know. So, But
Speaker 3: he understands all that, he knows all that. That's an
Speaker 3: advantage for him. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I agree, that's an advantage for sure. The familiarity of
Speaker 4: it all as well as him being a player. He
Speaker 4: was a player here before, so he's been on that
Speaker 4: side as well. And I think he he's a very
Speaker 4: smart guy. He understands the game. But I'm completely with you,
Speaker 4: Brian on this. Personally, and as someone who is quiet myself,
Speaker 4: I'm not like a bubbly personality that goes around.
Speaker 7: Really, I'm not.
Speaker 4: You don't see me walking into a room, which shut.
Speaker 2: Up, you know what? Oh guy, here we go. This
Speaker 2: is you guys suck, Here we go, y'all. Yeah.
Speaker 4: But yeah, wow. Anyways, as a quiet person myself in
Speaker 4: the general speaking public environment, Kellen, I've been around him,
Speaker 4: I've seen him. I just don't think he has a
Speaker 4: personality to stand up in a room and be that
Speaker 4: type of leader that would want to make you go
Speaker 4: follow him and get you hype and pump. And you
Speaker 4: want somebody that draws attention when they walk into a
Speaker 4: room with their power presence, and he doesn't give me that.
Speaker 5: Let me ask you, Yes, I want to I want
Speaker 5: to challenge that a little bit because I kind of
Speaker 5: agree with you, but I at least want to think
Speaker 5: about it a little bit. In my opinion, I think
Speaker 5: leadership really comes down to relationships. I think it is
Speaker 5: the ability to be able to connect with people. And
Speaker 5: if you can connect with people, then you can ultimately
Speaker 5: motivate them. And by the way, you have to be
Speaker 5: able to show them how your presence in their life
Speaker 5: makes their life better right ultimately, and that means their
Speaker 5: professional life. Is that less about how you present and
Speaker 5: more about how you connect with this person when you
Speaker 5: sit down with them, when you have time to interact
Speaker 5: with them, about them believing this guy is who he
Speaker 5: says he is, and I trust that he can get
Speaker 5: me where I'm trying to go.
Speaker 3: See, this is the positive that I was going to
Speaker 3: give about Schottenheimer. Exactly what you're saying about, you know,
Speaker 3: about his ability to connect with people. Yeah, I think
Speaker 3: that's a huge positive for him. I think that's why
Speaker 3: he has a shot for this job. I agree with you.
Speaker 3: There are people like that, you know that have that ability.
Speaker 3: I just you know, to me, I see a guy
Speaker 3: that it would be. I would say, if Kellen Moore
Speaker 3: tried to give up, like a raw, raw speech to
Speaker 3: me to kind of get me to leave, I would
Speaker 3: I would take it as being. I would take it
Speaker 3: as not being. And the last thing I want to
Speaker 3: do is follow somebody that's phony if he stands up there.
Speaker 3: But if he's a person that you know, if he can,
Speaker 3: he might connect with a lot of people. I'm just
Speaker 3: saying for me personally, he really wouldn't connect for me,
Speaker 3: I can't. And you know, I've one of my favorite things.
Speaker 3: I was terrible in school, but I loved history. I
Speaker 3: loved wartime history. I loved generals. I love studying these
Speaker 3: guys and what the different And there were there were
Speaker 3: certain that were fiery and then there were others that
Speaker 3: were very calm in the way they've domined and that's
Speaker 3: the way they lead. I would have gravitated towards the
Speaker 3: fiery guys. And so that's to me. I don't mean
Speaker 3: it as a slam to Kellen. I just don't. I
Speaker 3: don't know how many guys would follow that. And this
Speaker 3: is and I hope this doesn't sound terrible, but there's
Speaker 3: a lot of these our players nowadays come from broken families.
Speaker 3: And I'm taking this in a way of maybe a
Speaker 3: dad not in a picture, but a very strong mom.
Speaker 3: And they look to some of these guys that stand
Speaker 3: up there coaches, as leaders, as people in their lives
Speaker 3: that give them direction and give them hope and give
Speaker 3: them focus, and you know, because they haven't maybe had
Speaker 3: a male figure in their life all their time. So
Speaker 3: to me, you know, I think our players, they a
Speaker 3: lot of these guys understand that kind of coaching, that
Speaker 3: hard coaching that I say hard, but I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: you know, hey, come on, let's go. You know, hey,
Speaker 3: grab you you know, come on, come on, man, come on,
Speaker 3: you're with me today, come on, you know that kind
Speaker 3: of thing. And so I tend to think that this, this, this,
Speaker 3: this this generation that we have now looks to that guy.
Speaker 3: They look to a strong personality, a strong person standing
Speaker 3: in front of them, as opposed to maybe a person
Speaker 3: that doesn't come off that way. Because they have they
Speaker 3: they're looking for that in their life.
Speaker 2: In that way is it?
Speaker 3: I hope I didn't mess that up.
Speaker 5: No, here's my question though, in that way, is it
Speaker 5: more about the presence that they command, like when they
Speaker 5: walk in the room, they're immediately noticed, is Amber says,
Speaker 5: because I don't know if that always necessarily trains.
Speaker 4: Like if you're in a room, let's say, with Jerry
Speaker 4: Jones other people, is your voice gonna be heard? Are
Speaker 4: you gonna fight for why you believe it's true, or
Speaker 4: are you gonna be submissive to what other people are saying?
Speaker 4: Like I want somebody that is vocal and feel comfortable
Speaker 4: to be vocal, but not allow themselves to be walked
Speaker 4: all over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get so, And that's my question.
Speaker 5: Then from a standpoint of Kellen, I don't know enough
Speaker 5: about Kellen and know that that person or not.
Speaker 2: What I can see is I agree with you.
Speaker 5: I don't think that when you look at him, you
Speaker 5: don't automatically assume that he is the type that immediately
Speaker 5: commands respect when you see him walk in a room.
Speaker 5: I think he just blends in with everybody else. There
Speaker 5: are some people that walk in the room and immediately
Speaker 5: everybody notices who they are. Typically that's about size and
Speaker 5: Reggie White.
Speaker 3: Reggie White, I never I walk. When Reggie White came
Speaker 3: in a room, when I was sitting in a room,
Speaker 3: I literally took a breath because he's massive. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's but the personality, you know, in his faith in
Speaker 3: alle I mean everything that he said was you know,
Speaker 3: if he's talking about, hey, we need to do this,
Speaker 3: and we need to do this, and you're like, yes, reverend, yes, reverend, yes, reverend, yes, reverend, yes, reverend.
Speaker 3: You know that's how you followed him, you know, But
Speaker 3: when he came into a room and like Amber's right,
Speaker 3: first time I ever met Jerry Jones. He comes into
Speaker 3: a room and you're just like, wow, that's Jerry Jones.
Speaker 5: Well, let me challenge it further. Does a person like
Speaker 5: Sean McVay have that.
Speaker 3: I think Sean McVay. I think Sean McVay. I think
Speaker 3: players trust Sean McVay because of his age.
Speaker 2: I think about that.
Speaker 3: I think they trust him because they feel like when
Speaker 3: Seawan is a young guy, players are young guy. They
Speaker 3: kind of I think that Sean McVay can relate more
Speaker 3: to players today with his age because his age. But see,
Speaker 3: you know, and I'm not gonna I'll give Kellen Moore
Speaker 3: credit because he could because of his age, he can relate.
Speaker 3: That's that's a plus. But when you said Sean McVay,
Speaker 3: I think did Sean mcvay's personality leads to that of
Speaker 3: a you know, like stretching lines. He's coming up, he's
Speaker 3: he's he's needling you.
Speaker 2: About something he has, the person has the person person.
Speaker 3: He's not standing up in front watching the whistles being
Speaker 3: blown and all right, turn it and he's looking at
Speaker 3: his play sheet thinking of what practice Sean McVay might
Speaker 3: be walking around going in between the group. John Gruden
Speaker 3: when he was the young coach. John Gruden did the
Speaker 3: same thing. I watch John go in between the the
Speaker 3: players and like and and talking to him about that.
Speaker 3: Now on the other end of it, I've seen Nick Saban,
Speaker 3: seventy years old, needle in his players. But I think
Speaker 3: with McVeigh it's it's there's a trust with the players
Speaker 3: because he's closer to their age.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes it.
Speaker 6: One counterpoint I'd like to bring up is uh the
Speaker 6: fact that Kellen Moore has a lot of experience commanding
Speaker 6: a huddle and sure that could go back to uh
Speaker 6: high school days, going back to college.
Speaker 3: He's a winner. The guy, he's a winner. Yeah.
Speaker 6: At the time of him leaving Boys and State, he
Speaker 6: was winning this quarterback start record.
Speaker 5: I would say he's the guy that put Bois on
Speaker 5: the map because before him, I don't know that Boise
Speaker 5: was a national team that people really thought about in
Speaker 5: that way and just in my opinion.
Speaker 3: Won a lot of games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that the blue turf, Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 6: I'm trying to think of the Oklahoma Fiesta Bowls. Before
Speaker 6: he got there, I think it was what was it.
Speaker 7: I think before he.
Speaker 3: Got there, I thought he did the statue liberty. I
Speaker 3: thought he handed it.
Speaker 2: I thought I could I could be my time. It
Speaker 2: was all very often.
Speaker 5: But but again, what I'm hearing from you, Brian, though,
Speaker 5: is that it really is then more about can you
Speaker 5: create relationships? Because what you say of McVay is they
Speaker 5: knows how to individualize his coaching.
Speaker 2: So as he.
Speaker 5: Walks around that that field, this one guy, he knows
Speaker 5: I can needle him about this. So this other guy,
Speaker 5: hey man, how's going you just had a Baby's a baby?
Speaker 5: That he knows how to connect with people on a
Speaker 5: personal level. That's what makes him a great can.
Speaker 4: He portrays more confidence even in this is a something
Speaker 4: I'm a I'm a very visual person and I talk
Speaker 4: a lot about like the physical and like the psychology
Speaker 4: and and the movements of people. When you see him walk,
Speaker 4: he has a certain step to his walk that he
Speaker 4: portrays a certain type of power slash confidence. You want
Speaker 4: somebody that walks in with confidence. Again, this is not
Speaker 4: a shot a Kellen Moore, because, if anything, I relate
Speaker 4: more with Kellen Moore and his personality. I feel like
Speaker 4: I'm on the same boat as him. But one thing
Speaker 4: is leading in a huddle. Another thing is leading a
Speaker 4: whole team. And again being in the room with other
Speaker 4: powerful people, is your voice gonna be heard the way
Speaker 4: it needs to be heard, by the way?
Speaker 2: And then oh, okay, so he was there.
Speaker 5: He was there after the okay, Yeah, so I guess
Speaker 5: it jumped on the map that year.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, but Kellen definitely cemented the map.
Speaker 3: Fifty three games? Did he win?
Speaker 7: He played fifty three games?
Speaker 3: Oh? I don't think I think he was. I think
Speaker 3: it was fifty three wins that he had. But yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, to Amber's point, this is why I think
Speaker 3: that fifty and three, This is why I think that
Speaker 3: that he's did that that Schottenheimer has got a real
Speaker 3: shot because if you remember where he came in, he
Speaker 3: was like he took over the you know, he was
Speaker 3: the defensive assis. I mean, he was like helping the
Speaker 3: defensive coaches. He was the Ben McAdoo coach, you know,
Speaker 3: on staff, so you know, the defensive players. I remember
Speaker 3: defensive players talking about him like, man, this guy's in
Speaker 3: your face all the time, like, hey, you got to
Speaker 3: watch this man this week. They're going to do this,
Speaker 3: you know when they get in trips formation there, and
Speaker 3: the defensive guys really respected him for how hard had
Speaker 3: he worked and how you know, And you're right about
Speaker 3: the relationships. I just feel like though that that's one
Speaker 3: of the strengths when you get to you know, Brian Schottenheimer.
Speaker 3: Why I think he could get this job is exactly
Speaker 3: what you just said. The relationships.
Speaker 2: I really think.
Speaker 5: I think it's underestimated in the opinions of fans when
Speaker 5: they start talking about coaches that they'd like to see
Speaker 5: coach their team. I think what's really not talked about
Speaker 5: enough is the fact that being a head coach is
Speaker 5: really about getting all these men to get on the
Speaker 5: same page and stay on the same page. And I
Speaker 5: can tell you from managing about forty something people in
Speaker 5: our group, the hardest thing you have to do is
Speaker 5: make sure you keep everybody focused on the right things.
Speaker 5: And by the way, there's always distractions. This person over
Speaker 5: here has a little distraction, and when they have a
Speaker 5: little distraction, it.
Speaker 2: May change what they're doing.
Speaker 5: And then this person over here sees that distraction and
Speaker 5: then either do they handle it the right way, do
Speaker 5: they go to ask that person thing need help, or
Speaker 5: they start gossiping with someone else about this guy being distracted,
Speaker 5: and now it turns into something else over here. Now
Speaker 5: you got a faction over here, and now you got
Speaker 5: to deal with that faction over here. And then the
Speaker 5: work over here starts to slide and you got to
Speaker 5: deal with that. It's all the little fires that you
Speaker 5: have to put out. That's what being a leader really is.
Speaker 5: And can you manage a group of people to stay
Speaker 5: focused on what you need them to be focused on,
Speaker 5: to minimize all the distractions, minimize all the little things
Speaker 5: that can pop up, the idiosyncrasies, and to be able
Speaker 5: to look past all that and say we've got a
Speaker 5: common goal, We're going to be focused on that common
Speaker 5: goal that has nothing whatsoever to do with x's and o's.
Speaker 5: By the way, you got coordinators position coaches that do
Speaker 5: a lot of that. The head coach's most important job
Speaker 5: is keeping all those guys together. And it's more it's
Speaker 5: a more difficult job in football than it is in
Speaker 5: any other sport because the sheer volume of players you have.
Speaker 2: When you go to training camp.
Speaker 5: You got ninety something players, right, and you got to
Speaker 5: keep all of them focused on the same thing to
Speaker 5: get anything done. That, to me, is what the job is.
Speaker 5: It is not ex's and o's in my opinion. Exit
Speaker 5: and o's is a part of it. That is not
Speaker 5: the job of an NFL head coach in my opinion.
Speaker 3: If you're bad at x's and o's, you'll notice, though
Speaker 3: you will.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I think I think there's a
Speaker 2: baseline for all of that.
Speaker 3: You'll point it out.
Speaker 5: There's a baseline for all that. You can You can't say,
Speaker 5: go throw Direk in there to be a coach. Yeah,
Speaker 5: because I think I'm a pretty good leader. I don't
Speaker 5: know that your point.
Speaker 3: Your point's absolutely right about keeping everybody on task, But
Speaker 3: you know, like you say, it's also the delegation of
Speaker 3: others around them to help you get your message across
Speaker 3: and keep everybody on task. But I always said, you know,
Speaker 3: and I never really got I never got to the
Speaker 3: point where I got to hire anybody. But I would
Speaker 3: always if I if I did, I would have said,
Speaker 3: hire people that are smarter than you. Always try and
Speaker 3: hire people that are smarter than you. You know. And
Speaker 3: there's a lot of guys around the league that make
Speaker 3: mistakes that don't hire the smarter guys, and then they're
Speaker 3: out of a job in.
Speaker 2: Three years because they're insecure. Because they're insecure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't be that way if you're going to
Speaker 3: be successfulness saying all.
Speaker 5: Right, we're going to take our first break, We're going
Speaker 5: to come back. We've got a couple of other names
Speaker 5: gonna have to throw out. We'll do that when we
Speaker 5: come right back. This is Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.
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Speaker 5: proty by blockchain dot Com. Okay, I'm about to take
Speaker 5: a detour and I'm gonna take our our off the
Speaker 5: air conversation to the air, and I want to hear
Speaker 5: from that.
Speaker 4: I feel the passion.
Speaker 2: I really will I don't think he's wrong. I want
Speaker 2: to hear from fans.
Speaker 5: I want you guys to either call us, hit us
Speaker 5: on Twitter, whatever. I just want to know if you
Speaker 5: were Dion Sanders, because the question came up Brian. Brian
Speaker 5: said in the break man go hire Deon Sanders, right,
Speaker 5: And I kind of agree with you.
Speaker 3: I think he would be if they're not going to
Speaker 3: hire Eron Glenn. I kind of yeah.
Speaker 5: But that being said, we both also agree there's no
Speaker 5: way he wants to coach his son. I mean, he
Speaker 5: wants to complay play against his son twice a year,
Speaker 5: and a lot of a lot of it's saying he's
Speaker 5: going to get go to the Giants. A lot of
Speaker 5: a lot of pre pre draft mocks are saying that.
Speaker 5: And and my thought was, there is no way, absolutely
Speaker 5: no way, on God's green Earth, I would ever set
Speaker 5: myself up in a position where I have to play,
Speaker 5: I have to compete against my child in order for
Speaker 5: his livelihood. There's no way I would put myself in
Speaker 5: that situation. I actually, as a parent, care more about
Speaker 5: my children's success than my own. I will sacrifice my
Speaker 5: own success for the success of my children.
Speaker 15: So Amber, on the other hand was like, screw my son,
Speaker 15: kick his butt. No she didn't say that, but but
Speaker 15: she was. She was on the other side of that arc.
Speaker 15: I'll let you make the argument, but.
Speaker 4: My argument is it's a game. I get it. But listen,
Speaker 4: I'm a type of person. I'll feed my child before
Speaker 4: I get to eat. Yeah, and so that's there's no question.
Speaker 4: Good parent, there's no question about it. Your kid goes first.
Speaker 4: But in something like this, I don't think it's as
Speaker 4: serious as you denying to take your job where at
Speaker 4: the end of the day, Yes, it's your job and
Speaker 4: all of it, but we see it like it's a game.
Speaker 4: And I'm not saying it's just a game, but you
Speaker 4: have what is it? It's eighteen games? You got what
Speaker 4: sixteen sixteen other games where you can win and.
Speaker 5: Be fifteen because he'd be playing him twice if he's
Speaker 5: at the time twice a year.
Speaker 2: Oh, we're finding feel.
Speaker 4: I blur that out. I was just counting with It is.
Speaker 6: A game, but it's also a career, and especially in
Speaker 6: this business, if you can't win in your division, you
Speaker 6: get out that around the league.
Speaker 7: I think eventually that's what you know.
Speaker 6: Kind of led to h Daniel Jones's demise is that
Speaker 6: he couldn't win in a I don't know that that
Speaker 6: would be tough because one of you are going to
Speaker 6: have to be on the way out.
Speaker 5: And not only that I can't win, but whatever I think,
Speaker 5: I think I know my children's weaknesses more than anybody
Speaker 5: else on the face of the other side of their mother. Right,
Speaker 5: So if I am coaching against my son, then I
Speaker 5: have to tell my defensive coordinator, here's how you beat
Speaker 5: my son. Here's what he can't do, Here's what he
Speaker 5: doesn't do well, here's what he doesn't like. Right Because
Speaker 5: I know those things because I know him intimately. Guess what,
Speaker 5: there are thirty one other teams, thirty other teams out
Speaker 5: there that are going to watch that game and see,
Speaker 5: oh he doesn't like those things.
Speaker 2: Oh that makes him uncomfortable.
Speaker 5: And so you're not just affecting him in affecting him
Speaker 5: those two games, You're affecting him for all of the games.
Speaker 5: That's gonna affect his career. I just wouldn't be willing
Speaker 5: to do that, and I suspect Beyond would neither because
Speaker 5: what we've heard from Deon publicly is the only way
Speaker 5: I want to play coaching the NFL is if I
Speaker 5: get to coach my sons. Yeah, that's what he said publicly.
Speaker 5: Now he might have a whole different opinion behind the scenes,
Speaker 5: that's what he said publicly. So to say you're going
Speaker 5: to go the exact opposite and say I'm not only
Speaker 5: not going to coach my son, I'm gonna play against
Speaker 5: him twice a year in the same division, I just don't.
Speaker 2: I don't see that happen. As a parent, I can't
Speaker 2: do that. I wouldn't be able to do that.
Speaker 6: Not just that the only head coach that Shador Sanders
Speaker 6: has ever known is deonce right, going back to the
Speaker 6: little league, to high school, to college, both colleges, and
Speaker 6: you know, now he's gonna have to play for a
Speaker 6: different head.
Speaker 7: Coach for the first time.
Speaker 3: What if okay, and I'm with you on this, Derek,
Speaker 3: but real quick, what if Shador played another position.
Speaker 2: Other than quarterback, other than quarterback? Because I do think
Speaker 2: it may be a little bit different.
Speaker 3: See that's what I'm saying. If I do think maybe
Speaker 3: if if if he's playing, say he's a left tackle,
Speaker 3: you know, and you're coaching against your son who's like
Speaker 3: an all pro left tackle that's that's a different thing
Speaker 3: to me playing quarterback is that that's a position that
Speaker 3: you clearly can affect him and it affects you. I
Speaker 3: would hate to because I mean, my son played high
Speaker 3: school quarterback and I every play I just prayed he
Speaker 3: got up after every play. I mean, I just couldn't
Speaker 3: and I couldn't imagine coaching against him and having free
Speaker 3: rushers hit him, you know, because we created a package
Speaker 3: that they missed the blitz pick up, and now my
Speaker 3: son gets just.
Speaker 5: Clocked and you're encouraging your defensive you're encouraging your past
Speaker 5: rushers go kill my son.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna
Speaker 3: we're gonna blitz. We're gonna blitz Jordan Lewis as a
Speaker 3: free rusher.
Speaker 4: Just let him, you know, the way around. If anything,
Speaker 4: you're giving information to your son and helping him out.
Speaker 3: You don't know.
Speaker 4: But that's also what I'm saying. I'm just saying, like
Speaker 4: it could be the other way around. Like, if anything,
Speaker 4: you're helping him out in two games.
Speaker 3: If he's if he's not the quarterback, I think I
Speaker 3: think differently.
Speaker 4: Say well, you're gonna be better then than they are.
Speaker 3: Probably.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying that's not that's not even the point.
Speaker 2: The point is you are.
Speaker 5: You are actively taking a part in his demise professionally
Speaker 5: like you are taking part and trying to figure.
Speaker 2: Out how to make him less successful.
Speaker 5: I can't imagine a world where my job would be
Speaker 5: to figure out, at least for two weeks out of
Speaker 5: the year, how I'm going to get my child less successful.
Speaker 3: You're absolutely right about putting out film about him too.
Speaker 3: Say you have success getting guys home on him, and
Speaker 3: now the teams are like, well, let's say you play
Speaker 3: him this is his kryptonite, make him play backwards and
Speaker 3: send rushers and you know all that stuff. So no,
Speaker 3: I want no part of that.
Speaker 2: Let's go real quick. We got horse in Atlanta. Horse,
Speaker 2: what do you think all this?
Speaker 16: How you doing? Guys? I think that I would. I
Speaker 16: would definitely put coach to win. I mean, I would
Speaker 16: not try and take it easy. I don't mind that
Speaker 16: the fact that my son would be playing. I think
Speaker 16: it would be a blessing that both of us would
Speaker 16: be out there on the field. I would do my best. Now,
Speaker 16: I wouldn't tell I would definitely tell my defensive team
Speaker 16: look don't chief shot my son. You can hit him,
Speaker 16: but don't chief shot it. I'll cut you ass. But yeah, definitely, man,
Speaker 16: I appreciate the call.
Speaker 17: Now.
Speaker 2: I get that it would be a blessing that we're
Speaker 2: both in. I get all that. I just I would
Speaker 2: have a very difficult time.
Speaker 5: Wanting my kid to be unsuccessful fail ever ever, like
Speaker 5: I want them to be as successful as possible, and
Speaker 5: I would never do anything to contribute to them not
Speaker 5: being successful.
Speaker 2: That would be just too difficult for me to do.
Speaker 2: But a you do what you do.
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, yeah, I mean, hey, I see
Speaker 4: it differently, But that's okay. That's fine. Everybody against me today,
Speaker 4: but it's okay. I can take it. I I see
Speaker 4: it differently. I don't think you should ever do anything
Speaker 4: to hurt the people you love or anything like that
Speaker 4: or screw them over in their career. But I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't see it as something as big as that.
Speaker 4: I see it as it's a game. You go in,
Speaker 4: you play, the best person win, and that's it, and
Speaker 4: that's that is.
Speaker 5: A fair I think that's a fair way to look
Speaker 5: at the world. I just think I would have a
Speaker 5: very difficult time to do it for my kids, like
Speaker 5: I just the relationship that I have with my kids,
Speaker 5: I would be it would hurt me. It would really
Speaker 5: hurt me to know that I did something that made
Speaker 5: them less successful because my whole life, their whole life,
Speaker 5: I have my whole objective. Everything I do has been
Speaker 5: about their success, their ability to advance, their ability to
Speaker 5: get opportunities, Like it's every like I pour everything. I
Speaker 5: come to work every day and work so I can
Speaker 5: send my kid off to college and be able to
Speaker 5: achieve all the things they want to achieve. So if
Speaker 5: that's been my whole life, I can't imagine a world
Speaker 5: where I can then flip that and say, in this scenario,
Speaker 5: I'm actually going to be rooting for them to not
Speaker 5: be successful.
Speaker 3: That would be very so's not going to be the
Speaker 3: coach here that I would.
Speaker 2: But hey, Deane may look at it more like Amber.
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not projecting that onto Dan it. He
Speaker 2: may look at it. I wouldn't know.
Speaker 3: I think you look said the way you do because
Speaker 3: he doesn't want to coach against his ca he wants
Speaker 3: to be on the same team.
Speaker 2: I would guess.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And also I think it's a lot about the relationship too,
Speaker 4: Like let's say if at his home, depending on the
Speaker 4: kind of conversation, if there's any inclination of let's say,
Speaker 4: my child not wanting me to do something or being
Speaker 4: like one hundred percent no question about it, that's let's
Speaker 4: send a discussion right here.
Speaker 2: But if those are they told you they didn't want
Speaker 2: you to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yea yeah, absolutely, that a thousand percent.
Speaker 4: But if it's a conversation where like it's let's say
Speaker 4: the kid is not a big deal or whatever, it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: let's do it whatever, and now it's like competition, you
Speaker 4: know whatever, then I don't see the problem with it.
Speaker 4: I think. I mean, like you said, it's a personal
Speaker 4: obviously a personal decision, but if he was to do that,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't see anything bad or think anything bad against
Speaker 4: his decision whichever way.
Speaker 2: Right now, I agree with that.
Speaker 5: I just it was more for me a personal thing,
Speaker 5: and obviously I felt very strongly but clearly, but I
Speaker 5: I can't imagine. I just cannot imagine that now. I
Speaker 5: think Brian kind of agrees with that, and that maybe
Speaker 5: obviously there are other parents out there they're probably looking
Speaker 5: at a little differently, and that's Okay, I'm not saying
Speaker 5: it has to be one where I'm just saying that
Speaker 5: that would be very, very difficult for me.
Speaker 2: We're gonna take our final break.
Speaker 5: We'll come back and I guess we will get back
Speaker 5: into some of these other coaches and talk a little
Speaker 5: bit about whether we think they will be a fit,
Speaker 5: or what we like best about them and what we
Speaker 5: think maybe the biggest challenges.
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Speaker 5: Let's look at at Leslie Fraser. What do you like
Speaker 5: about the potential hire of a Leslie Fraser? And I
Speaker 5: want you to think about this from a standpoint of
Speaker 5: either an off either a head coach or maybe even
Speaker 5: as a defensive coordinator. What would you like about him
Speaker 5: and what do you think would be a challenge.
Speaker 7: I would like the idea as a DC.
Speaker 6: Looking at five of his last seven seasons as a
Speaker 6: defensive coordinator that spends his time in Buffalo and the
Speaker 6: tail end of his time in Tampa Bay. He's had
Speaker 6: a top ten total defense and three of his last
Speaker 6: four years in Buffalo he had a top.
Speaker 7: Two scoring defense. And that's it.
Speaker 2: Like thatly what matters.
Speaker 6: I think he has the head coaching experience he's been
Speaker 6: in the league since two thousand and three as a coordinator,
Speaker 6: as his overall experience in the league goes back further
Speaker 6: than that, you'd have skins on the wall, you have experience,
Speaker 6: you'd have a respective voice in that locker room too.
Speaker 7: I think he would be a hell of a DC higher.
Speaker 3: If we were going to hire a former head coach guy,
Speaker 3: I would have done the Pete Carroll one. I would
Speaker 3: have Pete Carroll is absolutely if we're talking head coach, yeah,
Speaker 3: and and and but the thing about with Leslie, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you could potentially the defensive coordinator spot seems to work out.
Speaker 3: Another quiet guy, calmdemeanor. Uh, has a lot of respect
Speaker 3: in the league.
Speaker 14: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, I think there's a there's positives with him
Speaker 3: that I think the experience. I think that you know,
Speaker 3: he he happened to spend the last year in Seattle
Speaker 3: with a really dynamic defensive coordinator there. If you start
Speaker 3: to talk about, you know, with their head coach and
Speaker 3: and what all they've done, So maybe he's picked up
Speaker 3: on some things there. I'm always interested about these coaches,
Speaker 3: those older coaches that go and work with somebody else
Speaker 3: and kind of get some ideas of how to attack.
Speaker 3: So as a defensive coordinator, I'd be I'd be more
Speaker 3: than happy with him having the opportunity to to talk
Speaker 3: with whoever is the head coach here.
Speaker 4: I agree. I think he he's shown to have the
Speaker 4: experience and again as the defensive coordinator. I don't know
Speaker 4: if I necessarily would want him as a head coach.
Speaker 4: And another thing, even though I'm more leaning towards like
Speaker 4: I like the defensive minds better after what we've seen
Speaker 4: with the offense here in Dallas, I'm like, Okay, is
Speaker 4: it more important to have somebody with that offensive mindset
Speaker 4: that knows better how to lead and what to do
Speaker 4: when time management and when to throw a flag type
Speaker 4: of stuff, challenger all those things like that to improve
Speaker 4: this offense in general. But I I like Frasier. I
Speaker 4: I think potentially he's more likely to land a DC
Speaker 4: job rather than a head coach.
Speaker 3: You know what, if you're gonna if you're gonna if
Speaker 3: you're gonna hire Kellen or when they say, guys, listen
Speaker 3: and you guys all know my relations We all have
Speaker 3: a relationship with Mike Zimmer. We all know Mike Zam,
Speaker 3: but he seems like the one guy that has a
Speaker 3: plan for how to play Jane Daniels, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. I would kind of think about that a
Speaker 3: little bit, you know, I would say, listen, this, this
Speaker 3: looks like the future of our division is having to
Speaker 3: deal with this guy every year now twice a year.
Speaker 3: You know, how do you find a way to convince
Speaker 3: Mike Zimmer to come back on staff and allow him
Speaker 3: to do the things that he did say the last
Speaker 3: ten weeks of that season.
Speaker 5: Do you think do you think Mike is open to
Speaker 5: the idea of coming back or is it a situation
Speaker 5: where he really wants to just kind of.
Speaker 3: I know he wanted I talked to him. He said
Speaker 3: he wanted to be the head coach. That's not going
Speaker 3: to happen. Yeah, I really did believe though they have
Speaker 3: Cincinnati Bengals called about their defensive coordinator job, which this
Speaker 3: Al Golden just got he was at Notre Dame. I
Speaker 3: believe Mike would have gone back. His home in Kentucky
Speaker 3: is only really like twenty minutes away from the facility
Speaker 3: there in Cincinnati. I think he would have gone back
Speaker 3: and been real happy. He loved working there. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I you know, I I wish Jerry and Steven could
Speaker 3: convince him, But I don't know if his heart's completely
Speaker 3: into it. Yeah, and I think that's where you know,
Speaker 3: just hey, thank you for what you did. You bridged
Speaker 3: a gap, you know, Uh so yeah, it uh you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's it's unfortunate that they didn't have the success
Speaker 3: early as they did late. I think it might have
Speaker 3: been a different story here then.
Speaker 16: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think most fans, at least the fans I've talked to,
Speaker 5: seem to be okay with the idea of Zember one
Speaker 5: back coming back and wanting him to come back. Now,
Speaker 5: I just don't know if that's something that that Mike wouldness.
Speaker 3: Well, no, and that's yeah. The thing about it is,
Speaker 3: it's it's kind of crazy because you know, Mike and
Speaker 3: his staff did a really good job. They got Massie
Speaker 3: to play better, They got OsO Diggi Zua to play
Speaker 3: at a very high level contract year, they got Golsta
Speaker 3: played a really high year, a high you know effort
Speaker 3: and all that. He took some rookie dudes, but they
Speaker 3: did with Overshown and and and Micah Parsons. I mean
Speaker 3: there was some man. They did some good things with
Speaker 3: those guys. Several guys had correct they elevate and a
Speaker 3: lot of those guys it was a contract year. You know,
Speaker 3: they're playing for their jobs. But somebody coach those guys
Speaker 3: up to be better than they were. And I think
Speaker 3: you have to give that defensive staff some credit for
Speaker 3: doing that, even if they don't, if none of them
Speaker 3: come back, you know, tip of the cap for them,
Speaker 3: for We've been waiting for years for Golston and Osen
Speaker 3: those guys to play at a really high level, and
Speaker 3: they achieved that with this coaching staff.
Speaker 4: And Mike got he recently made comments about it when
Speaker 4: talking about whether he wanted to have him back or not,
Speaker 4: and he pointed out with dan Quinn how it was
Speaker 4: with him that the first year the defense was good,
Speaker 4: and how much better they wear that second year under
Speaker 4: dan Quinn is so similar to this of like running
Speaker 4: it back and seeing what a second year with the
Speaker 4: same voice and the same type of leadership would be
Speaker 4: like under Mike Zimmer and looking again at what he
Speaker 4: was able to make despite all the injuries that occur
Speaker 4: during the season and that second half of the season.
Speaker 4: And I love the fact that he also recognized and
Speaker 4: talked to the media pointed out like, yeah, I wish
Speaker 4: I would have started out a lot tougher from the beginning,
Speaker 4: And he said he was kind of afraid of like
Speaker 4: coming into this being new and just tapping on people's
Speaker 4: toes and he and you know, I love hearing when
Speaker 4: people say those things out loud and voice O over.
Speaker 4: I don't I'm with you. I don't think he would
Speaker 4: want to come back, but I would absolutely love.
Speaker 7: To have him.
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you something, Jeff Suguina the defensive line coach,
Speaker 3: he might have found something there because he was probably
Speaker 3: remember they interviewed Ron Rivera for the job, and Ron
Speaker 3: was in Washington. Or they get Jeff Saguina from the
Speaker 3: Gun from Washington, So probably Ron Rivera talking about, Hey,
Speaker 3: I'll bring this guy along, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: the Joneses are like, man, we need to research this guy.
Speaker 3: And he so they did play better across the front,
Speaker 3: and he might be he might have been, you know,
Speaker 3: nothing against you know, aiden dirty who went and left.
Speaker 3: But Jeff Kina got these guys. I would kind of
Speaker 3: keep him like, hey, listen, just hang in there, hang
Speaker 3: in there, because this guy might be the defensive line
Speaker 3: coach you need. If he could get Mazi to play
Speaker 3: better and these other guys to play better, maybe this
Speaker 3: guy needs to be on the new staff coming in here. Well.
Speaker 6: Greg ellis Canina from at least my interpretation was a
Speaker 6: lot more influential with the interior guys. Yeah, when you
Speaker 6: talk about Mazi oh so, even a little bit of Golston,
Speaker 6: even though Golston kicked out by the end of the year,
Speaker 6: and then ellis more so in so I would say, yeah,
Speaker 6: you see what you got to bring back both of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Let's talk real quick about Brian Schottenheimer. What do you
Speaker 5: expect from him or what do you like about him?
Speaker 5: And what do you think would be a challenge of
Speaker 5: hiring him?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think a culture builder. I think that would
Speaker 6: be the biggest plus for him. I think of all
Speaker 6: the candidates on the board, he'd probably be the best
Speaker 6: one in that category. As far as you know, is
Speaker 6: he calling plays? That's the question I would have. And
Speaker 6: if so, you know, just based on his resume, based
Speaker 6: on the offenses that he's put out, whether it be
Speaker 6: in Jacksonville's passing game coordinator, oh see in his time
Speaker 6: and Seattle and some other stops.
Speaker 7: Ran, I think this would you would.
Speaker 6: Have to have some concerns about the offensive side of
Speaker 6: the ball, but there would also be a lot of
Speaker 6: consistency on the offensive side of the ball. I think
Speaker 6: this would be kind of a situation where him and
Speaker 6: Dak would build the offense together and what does that
Speaker 6: look like at the end of the day.
Speaker 7: We will have to figure that out.
Speaker 6: But I think it's really dependent on who he would
Speaker 6: hire as a DC or who the front office would.
Speaker 7: Hire as a DC.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the thing about it is, I think
Speaker 3: that he has I think his enthusiasm is really good,
Speaker 3: and I think sometimes, you know, I'm saying, I'm saying
Speaker 3: you need a raw rock coach because.
Speaker 2: Raw rock coaches will get got get energy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they'll get you beat too. But but yeah,
Speaker 3: but his his ability to relate to the players and
Speaker 3: kind of understand what the players go through in a
Speaker 3: daily basis. He's been here before. He understands the drill,
Speaker 3: you know, probably works well with the you know, we'll
Speaker 3: see what the personnel department as far as getting together
Speaker 3: the players, because we've talked about it a bunch on
Speaker 3: this show. As a head coach, you do have that
Speaker 3: ability to affect how they they get players here. So
Speaker 3: I would be you know, that would be I think
Speaker 3: a good hire here. Now, if you're one of those
Speaker 3: fans that I say this to you guys earlier, if
Speaker 3: you're a fan of Dak Prescott and you hate this
Speaker 3: higher Schottenheimer, shame on you, because this hire would be
Speaker 3: about continuity. This would be about keeping things the same
Speaker 3: way for Dak Prescott and C. D Lamb. That's what
Speaker 3: it's about. So if you hate this higher and you're
Speaker 3: a fan of Dak, then you're barking up the wrong
Speaker 3: tree because they're that now they're trying to well, am
Speaker 3: I am I right about you? That's what I'm saying
Speaker 3: you you could get You could be a Dak fan
Speaker 3: to be mad about the hiring, but they're trying to
Speaker 3: help your guy. Now, you people that don't like Dak Prescott,
Speaker 3: keep bitching because you know you could do that.
Speaker 2: It's fair, it's fair. You can keeping that.
Speaker 3: But if you're but if you're a fan of Dak,
Speaker 3: they're trying to make a higher with Brian Schottenheimer that
Speaker 3: will help Dak Prescott and C. D Lamb. So remember
Speaker 3: that when you start bitching about.
Speaker 4: Uh times at me.
Speaker 2: That's pretty good. All right, here's the deal.
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