WEBVTT - The Break_1_22.mp3 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:04.680 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:06.519 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:16.000 Cowboys Let's go. Are you ready for a break? 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:16.560 Yes? 0:00:16.840 --> 0:00:18.439 Are you ready for a break? 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:19.239 Absolutely? 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:23.599 Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 0:00:23.760 --> 0:00:27.800 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:34.480 right with Mbar Garcia, Brian brought us, Nick Harris and 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:35.639 Derek Eagleton. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:41.560 It is Wednesday, January twenty second, twenty twenty five, Season twenty, 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:44.000 episode number one hundred. 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:46.040 Welcome to the latest edition of The Break. We are 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:47.960 live from this s WBC Morgage Studios at the. 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:50.400 Start, presented by LG Elgi's world's number one o lead 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.040 TV brand for eleven years in counting see why at 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:56.920 LG dot com Forward slash o led evo one hundred 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:00.720 episodes in Brian still hasn't figured out the chair, but that's. 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:02.480 Okay, working on in Boston. 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:03.720 We'll keep working on that. 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:05.760 I mean, I've been working for you for about fourteen 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:07.479 years and chair never works. 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:07.960 Yeah. 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:09.680 Maybe at some point we'll just say it's the chair 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:10.840 and we need to get you a new chair. 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:11.880 Exactly. We're a good man. 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:15.240 We're speaking of chairs. Someone got rid of our chairs 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.120 at training camp years ago. I oun't know where what 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:21.200 remember that we took the chairs we had back at 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:25.040 Valley Ranch. Yeah, and we shipped them out on the truck. Well, 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:27.399 I had the comfortable chairs, and then we decided to 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:29.840 leave them out there for storage. And then we got 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:31.479 in back the next year, and then all of a sudden, 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:33.520 two years after, we never found them. 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:36.399 Never found the chairs again. I started bringing my own chair. 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:39.600 Bucky and Mike were nice enough to let me pack 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:40.960 a chair camp or camp. 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:42.440 Yeah, that was your big leather chair. 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:45.440 I had my leather chair. Yeah. She's right though, Emperor and. 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:47.960 He got me to take my chair as well, because 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:50.080 those chairs on training camp are really uncomfortable. 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.600 Yeah. I have the video of the last day at 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.200 Valley Ranch, like when we closed the door and turn 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:57.760 off the lights, that kind of thing, And yeah, I 0:01:57.800 --> 0:02:02.200 missed that chair. There's probably there's probably somebody an Oxnard 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:04.400 there that has that chair, and it's probably sitting back 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:05.920 right now listening to our broadcast. 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:07.600 Nick and I don't worry about that. We're just out 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:10.160 there grinding, just fighting for our lives. Yeah, that's just 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:12.400 what we know. We were always fighting for your lives. 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.080 I remember the old T shirts, right, if you do, 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:16.800 you still have yours. I do still have had it 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:17.880 on the other day, I wear. 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:20.040 It every once while goes what does this mean? And 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.160 I go, you really don't want to know. 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.200 You really don't want to know. Oh that was before 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.919 your time, though, that was your time. Sometimes I forget 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:30.519 you went around for something that old. 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:36.400 Oh my god, Jason Garrett, he used to come up 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:41.399 with some interesting slogans for the season and and acronyms 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:43.880 and stuffs that were very interesting. 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:46.680 So we can't move one of our own. Tell you 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:48.760 the story, tell you all right? So who's were going 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:49.359 to do today? 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.360 Obviously Derek did a really smart thing not acquiring us 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:54.400 to go to that big meeting that they had that 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.919 brought us all like, hey, boss, this is a bad idea. Man, 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:00.680 this guy's giving me the raw ross and I'm about 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:02.680 to tell him he can't coach a lit Yeah. 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:05.840 Sometimes we do have to politely declined thank you. 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.160 But note Eric said, thank you very much. We'll catch 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:08.760 you down the road. 0:03:09.080 --> 0:03:10.640 No, but what I said was I will go for 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:11.040 the group. 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:14.080 You guys, yeah, exactly, all know and represent our You're 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:15.600 a great boss, that's the question. 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:17.280 All right, let's talk. Here's what we got to talk 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.160 about today. We got to talk about the coaching search. 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:22.760 More has happened since last week when we met. We'll 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.720 spend a little time on that in the second segment 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:27.400 and maybe even the third segment. 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:29.000 I have some questions for you guys. 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:31.960 It's really our season in review, and I'm gonna take 0:03:31.960 --> 0:03:34.519 you guys into some questions about how the season played 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:37.000 out and some some different thoughts you may have on 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:39.480 different things that happen and how they affected this team 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:41.520 and how we ultimately ended up where we ended up 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:43.840 at seven and ten. But let's start first with the 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:47.200 coaching search. At this point, they have interviewed Kellen Moore, 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:51.440 Robert Sela, Leslie Fraser, and Brian Schottenheimer. 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:54.320 Let's go through each of them and what I'd like 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:54.680 you to do. 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:56.120 I'm going to give you a name, and I want 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:58.120 you to tell me what you like about the candidate 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:00.440 and what you don't And I wouldn't eve say don't 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:02.560 like about the candidate, but what concerns you most about 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:04.880 the candidate? All right, so's start first with Kellen Moore. 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:06.920 What do you like about him? What concerns you most 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:07.440 about him? 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:09.080 I think as a head coaches. 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:12.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think innovative as an offensive play caller. 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:14.720 I say innovative in the sense that his offenses have 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:16.480 been changing from year to year. He would be the 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:18.599 youngest head coach in the NFL at thirty six years old. 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:20.800 I think there's still a lot of growth to have 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:21.400 in his game. 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:22.280 Now. 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:24.359 Granted, growth could also be a negative, and it's going 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:25.760 to be part of my negative is the fact that 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:27.720 you don't have an established head coach and Kellen Moore 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:31.680 and you know, there were, you know, concerns whenever he 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:33.680 left here about you know, does he have the presence 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:34.320 to be a head coach. 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:35.920 That would definitely be something he would have to answer 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:36.279 as well. 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:38.560 I think the presence is the biggest problem for me, 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:40.800 and in first and I don't mean that in a 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:43.960 way to be mean. I just maybe I've from a 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:47.200 different era of football where when guys stand up in 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:50.159 front of me, you know, I have to believe, you know, 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:53.279 sell me, sell me on why I should follow you, 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:57.919 Tell me why I should you know, sacrifice everything for 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:01.840 the next ten months to follow you, you know, And 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:03.880 and some people have that ability to do. There's been 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:07.760 some great leaders that have been terrible head coaches. There's 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:10.839 been some terrible leaders that have been really good head coaches. 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.480 You know, quiet guys. There's Tony Dungees of the world. 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:16.279 Tom Landry here very quiet except when he got in 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:18.960 a meeting, then he would he would get on his players. 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:22.600 So but to me, man, I think in this day 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:27.520 and age, would I gravitate towards more towards the Dan 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:32.720 Campbell line of thinking, then I do the Tony Dungee 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:35.480 line of thinking. So to me, that would be that 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.040 would be a negative to me as far as the 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:41.680 presence of you know, of the stature of the guy 0:05:41.760 --> 0:05:44.400 standing in front. Can you can you make me follow you? 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:46.600 I don't know if I can, if he can make 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:47.280 me follow him? 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:49.680 Do you have a positive one thing that you would think, Hey, 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:51.240 that would be an actual advantage. 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:51.520 I think. 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:53.800 I think the fact that he spent a lot of 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.200 his career here as a coach would help. I think 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:59.880 that gets he understands there are things that are involved. 0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:03.279 He understands there's dot Com. He understands, there's blue Star 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:06.520 of this blue Star that he understands. There's tours, he understands, 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:08.960 there's a cafeteria. He knows who the locker room is, 0:06:09.000 --> 0:06:11.280 he knows where the coach's offices. He knows that the 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.000 sun shines through the windows sometimes at three twenty five 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.880 in the afternoon on a Sunday, you know. So, But 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.400 he understands all that, he knows all that. That's an 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:21.560 advantage for him. Yeah. 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:24.880 I agree, that's an advantage for sure. The familiarity of 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:28.880 it all as well as him being a player. He 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:31.400 was a player here before, so he's been on that 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.160 side as well. And I think he he's a very 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:38.919 smart guy. He understands the game. But I'm completely with you, 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:43.480 Brian on this. Personally, and as someone who is quiet myself, 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:48.479 I'm not like a bubbly personality that goes around. 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:49.760 Really, I'm not. 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:54.400 You don't see me walking into a room, which shut. 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:57.520 Up, you know what? Oh guy, here we go. This 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:01.160 is you guys suck, Here we go, y'all. Yeah. 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:10.880 But yeah, wow. Anyways, as a quiet person myself in 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:18.080 the general speaking public environment, Kellen, I've been around him, 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:21.440 I've seen him. I just don't think he has a 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:26.440 personality to stand up in a room and be that 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:29.800 type of leader that would want to make you go 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:34.840 follow him and get you hype and pump. And you 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:39.680 want somebody that draws attention when they walk into a 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:45.320 room with their power presence, and he doesn't give me that. 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:47.120 Let me ask you, Yes, I want to I want 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:49.480 to challenge that a little bit because I kind of 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:51.640 agree with you, but I at least want to think 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:55.680 about it a little bit. In my opinion, I think 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:59.120 leadership really comes down to relationships. I think it is 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.560 the ability to be able to connect with people. And 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:04.800 if you can connect with people, then you can ultimately 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.960 motivate them. And by the way, you have to be 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:11.040 able to show them how your presence in their life 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:14.400 makes their life better right ultimately, and that means their 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:18.960 professional life. Is that less about how you present and 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:21.240 more about how you connect with this person when you 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:24.000 sit down with them, when you have time to interact 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:27.480 with them, about them believing this guy is who he 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:29.320 says he is, and I trust that he can get 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:30.160 me where I'm trying to go. 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:32.000 See, this is the positive that I was going to 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:35.600 give about Schottenheimer. Exactly what you're saying about, you know, 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.640 about his ability to connect with people. Yeah, I think 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:40.920 that's a huge positive for him. I think that's why 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:43.960 he has a shot for this job. I agree with you. 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:46.680 There are people like that, you know that have that ability. 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:50.360 I just you know, to me, I see a guy 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:53.040 that it would be. I would say, if Kellen Moore 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:55.760 tried to give up, like a raw, raw speech to 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:58.840 me to kind of get me to leave, I would 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.440 I would take it as being. I would take it 0:09:01.480 --> 0:09:03.800 as not being. And the last thing I want to 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.640 do is follow somebody that's phony if he stands up there. 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.640 But if he's a person that you know, if he can, 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:12.240 he might connect with a lot of people. I'm just 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:15.520 saying for me personally, he really wouldn't connect for me, 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:19.080 I can't. And you know, I've one of my favorite things. 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.520 I was terrible in school, but I loved history. I 0:09:21.559 --> 0:09:25.960 loved wartime history. I loved generals. I love studying these 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:28.320 guys and what the different And there were there were 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:30.360 certain that were fiery and then there were others that 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:32.960 were very calm in the way they've domined and that's 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.840 the way they lead. I would have gravitated towards the 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.840 fiery guys. And so that's to me. I don't mean 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.480 it as a slam to Kellen. I just don't. I 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:45.439 don't know how many guys would follow that. And this 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:48.800 is and I hope this doesn't sound terrible, but there's 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.960 a lot of these our players nowadays come from broken families. 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:54.920 And I'm taking this in a way of maybe a 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.120 dad not in a picture, but a very strong mom. 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.600 And they look to some of these guys that stand 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:03.240 up there coaches, as leaders, as people in their lives 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:05.760 that give them direction and give them hope and give 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:08.520 them focus, and you know, because they haven't maybe had 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:10.560 a male figure in their life all their time. So 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:14.480 to me, you know, I think our players, they a 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:18.000 lot of these guys understand that kind of coaching, that 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:21.760 hard coaching that I say hard, but I mean, you know, 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:23.840 you know, hey, come on, let's go. You know, hey, 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:25.760 grab you you know, come on, come on, man, come on, 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:27.640 you're with me today, come on, you know that kind 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:31.520 of thing. And so I tend to think that this, this, this, 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:35.840 this this generation that we have now looks to that guy. 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:40.200 They look to a strong personality, a strong person standing 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:42.680 in front of them, as opposed to maybe a person 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:46.120 that doesn't come off that way. Because they have they 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:48.199 they're looking for that in their life. 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:49.559 In that way is it? 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:50.880 I hope I didn't mess that up. 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.040 No, here's my question though, in that way, is it 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:58.080 more about the presence that they command, like when they 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.640 walk in the room, they're immediately noticed, is Amber says, 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.800 because I don't know if that always necessarily trains. 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:06.520 Like if you're in a room, let's say, with Jerry 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:10.400 Jones other people, is your voice gonna be heard? Are 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:13.000 you gonna fight for why you believe it's true, or 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:15.600 are you gonna be submissive to what other people are saying? 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:19.120 Like I want somebody that is vocal and feel comfortable 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:22.320 to be vocal, but not allow themselves to be walked 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:22.840 all over. 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:25.560 Yeah, I get so, And that's my question. 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:27.719 Then from a standpoint of Kellen, I don't know enough 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:29.560 about Kellen and know that that person or not. 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:31.800 What I can see is I agree with you. 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:33.880 I don't think that when you look at him, you 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:37.360 don't automatically assume that he is the type that immediately 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:39.600 commands respect when you see him walk in a room. 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:42.000 I think he just blends in with everybody else. There 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:43.760 are some people that walk in the room and immediately 0:11:43.760 --> 0:11:46.720 everybody notices who they are. Typically that's about size and 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:47.480 Reggie White. 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:51.040 Reggie White, I never I walk. When Reggie White came 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:53.000 in a room, when I was sitting in a room, 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.600 I literally took a breath because he's massive. I mean, 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.720 he's but the personality, you know, in his faith in 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:02.320 alle I mean everything that he said was you know, 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:04.679 if he's talking about, hey, we need to do this, 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:10.960 and we need to do this, and you're like, yes, reverend, yes, reverend, yes, reverend, yes, reverend, yes, reverend. 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.520 You know that's how you followed him, you know, But 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.000 when he came into a room and like Amber's right, 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:18.760 first time I ever met Jerry Jones. He comes into 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:21.880 a room and you're just like, wow, that's Jerry Jones. 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.480 Well, let me challenge it further. Does a person like 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:25.520 Sean McVay have that. 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:30.280 I think Sean McVay. I think Sean McVay. I think 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:33.480 players trust Sean McVay because of his age. 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:35.360 I think about that. 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:39.280 I think they trust him because they feel like when 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:43.160 Seawan is a young guy, players are young guy. They 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:46.880 kind of I think that Sean McVay can relate more 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:53.040 to players today with his age because his age. But see, 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:55.319 you know, and I'm not gonna I'll give Kellen Moore 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:58.000 credit because he could because of his age, he can relate. 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:01.040 That's that's a plus. But when you said Sean McVay, 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:05.559 I think did Sean mcvay's personality leads to that of 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:09.440 a you know, like stretching lines. He's coming up, he's 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:11.040 he's he's needling you. 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.640 About something he has, the person has the person person. 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:18.199 He's not standing up in front watching the whistles being 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.760 blown and all right, turn it and he's looking at 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.439 his play sheet thinking of what practice Sean McVay might 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:26.800 be walking around going in between the group. John Gruden 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:28.600 when he was the young coach. John Gruden did the 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:31.680 same thing. I watch John go in between the the 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.640 players and like and and talking to him about that. 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:36.880 Now on the other end of it, I've seen Nick Saban, 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:40.920 seventy years old, needle in his players. But I think 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:44.720 with McVeigh it's it's there's a trust with the players 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:48.040 because he's closer to their age. 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:48.959 Yeah, that makes it. 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.600 One counterpoint I'd like to bring up is uh the 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:53.640 fact that Kellen Moore has a lot of experience commanding 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:56.280 a huddle and sure that could go back to uh 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:58.040 high school days, going back to college. 0:13:58.120 --> 0:13:59.559 He's a winner. The guy, he's a winner. Yeah. 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:01.200 At the time of him leaving Boys and State, he 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:03.840 was winning this quarterback start record. 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:06.720 I would say he's the guy that put Bois on 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:09.040 the map because before him, I don't know that Boise 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:12.160 was a national team that people really thought about in 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:14.120 that way and just in my opinion. 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:14.680 Won a lot of games. 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.240 Yeah, that the blue turf, Yeah, definitely. 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:19.400 I'm trying to think of the Oklahoma Fiesta Bowls. Before 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.160 he got there, I think it was what was it. 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:22.200 I think before he. 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:23.720 Got there, I thought he did the statue liberty. I 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:24.760 thought he handed it. 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:26.960 I thought I could I could be my time. It 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:28.080 was all very often. 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:30.680 But but again, what I'm hearing from you, Brian, though, 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:34.160 is that it really is then more about can you 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.760 create relationships? Because what you say of McVay is they 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:39.240 knows how to individualize his coaching. 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:40.200 So as he. 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:43.320 Walks around that that field, this one guy, he knows 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:45.240 I can needle him about this. So this other guy, 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:47.720 hey man, how's going you just had a Baby's a baby? 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:49.480 That he knows how to connect with people on a 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:51.200 personal level. That's what makes him a great can. 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:56.360 He portrays more confidence even in this is a something 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.240 I'm a I'm a very visual person and I talk 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:03.480 a lot about like the physical and like the psychology 0:15:03.560 --> 0:15:07.360 and and the movements of people. When you see him walk, 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:11.440 he has a certain step to his walk that he 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:16.760 portrays a certain type of power slash confidence. You want 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:20.240 somebody that walks in with confidence. Again, this is not 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.640 a shot a Kellen Moore, because, if anything, I relate 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:25.480 more with Kellen Moore and his personality. I feel like 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:29.920 I'm on the same boat as him. But one thing 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.040 is leading in a huddle. Another thing is leading a 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:35.680 whole team. And again being in the room with other 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:39.520 powerful people, is your voice gonna be heard the way 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:43.280 it needs to be heard, by the way? 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:46.600 And then oh, okay, so he was there. 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:49.720 He was there after the okay, Yeah, so I guess 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:51.280 it jumped on the map that year. 0:15:51.880 --> 0:15:53.640 Yeah, yeah, but Kellen definitely cemented the map. 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:55.760 Fifty three games? Did he win? 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:57.200 He played fifty three games? 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:59.160 Oh? I don't think I think he was. I think 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:01.520 it was fifty three wins that he had. But yeah, 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:04.000 you know, to Amber's point, this is why I think 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:07.920 that fifty and three, This is why I think that 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:12.280 that he's did that that Schottenheimer has got a real 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:15.920 shot because if you remember where he came in, he 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:18.480 was like he took over the you know, he was 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:21.280 the defensive assis. I mean, he was like helping the 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:24.520 defensive coaches. He was the Ben McAdoo coach, you know, 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.120 on staff, so you know, the defensive players. I remember 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:30.040 defensive players talking about him like, man, this guy's in 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:31.600 your face all the time, like, hey, you got to 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:33.280 watch this man this week. They're going to do this, 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:35.320 you know when they get in trips formation there, and 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:38.800 the defensive guys really respected him for how hard had 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:42.040 he worked and how you know, And you're right about 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.920 the relationships. I just feel like though that that's one 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:48.080 of the strengths when you get to you know, Brian Schottenheimer. 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:50.840 Why I think he could get this job is exactly 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:52.360 what you just said. The relationships. 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:53.200 I really think. 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:56.400 I think it's underestimated in the opinions of fans when 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.080 they start talking about coaches that they'd like to see 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:02.640 coach their team. I think what's really not talked about 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:05.919 enough is the fact that being a head coach is 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:09.800 really about getting all these men to get on the 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:12.080 same page and stay on the same page. And I 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:15.560 can tell you from managing about forty something people in 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:18.439 our group, the hardest thing you have to do is 0:17:18.520 --> 0:17:21.679 make sure you keep everybody focused on the right things. 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:24.639 And by the way, there's always distractions. This person over 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:26.359 here has a little distraction, and when they have a 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:27.240 little distraction, it. 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:28.560 May change what they're doing. 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:30.840 And then this person over here sees that distraction and 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:32.760 then either do they handle it the right way, do 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:34.879 they go to ask that person thing need help, or 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.800 they start gossiping with someone else about this guy being distracted, 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:39.840 and now it turns into something else over here. Now 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:41.520 you got a faction over here, and now you got 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:42.960 to deal with that faction over here. And then the 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:44.879 work over here starts to slide and you got to 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:47.480 deal with that. It's all the little fires that you 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:49.880 have to put out. That's what being a leader really is. 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:52.679 And can you manage a group of people to stay 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:54.800 focused on what you need them to be focused on, 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:58.840 to minimize all the distractions, minimize all the little things 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:01.960 that can pop up, the idiosyncrasies, and to be able 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:03.720 to look past all that and say we've got a 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:05.520 common goal, We're going to be focused on that common 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:08.080 goal that has nothing whatsoever to do with x's and o's. 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:10.760 By the way, you got coordinators position coaches that do 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:13.440 a lot of that. The head coach's most important job 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:16.040 is keeping all those guys together. And it's more it's 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:18.960 a more difficult job in football than it is in 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:21.680 any other sport because the sheer volume of players you have. 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:22.480 When you go to training camp. 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:24.879 You got ninety something players, right, and you got to 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:27.439 keep all of them focused on the same thing to 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:30.879 get anything done. That, to me, is what the job is. 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:33.359 It is not ex's and o's in my opinion. Exit 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:35.000 and o's is a part of it. That is not 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:37.000 the job of an NFL head coach in my opinion. 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:39.200 If you're bad at x's and o's, you'll notice, though 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:39.880 you will. 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:41.480 And by the way, I think I think there's a 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:42.280 baseline for all of that. 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:43.000 You'll point it out. 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:45.320 There's a baseline for all that. You can You can't say, 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:47.240 go throw Direk in there to be a coach. Yeah, 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.080 because I think I'm a pretty good leader. I don't 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:49.800 know that your point. 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:53.280 Your point's absolutely right about keeping everybody on task, But 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:55.679 you know, like you say, it's also the delegation of 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:58.439 others around them to help you get your message across 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:01.560 and keep everybody on task. But I always said, you know, 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:03.960 and I never really got I never got to the 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:06.400 point where I got to hire anybody. But I would 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:08.440 always if I if I did, I would have said, 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:11.000 hire people that are smarter than you. Always try and 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:12.960 hire people that are smarter than you. You know. And 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:15.320 there's a lot of guys around the league that make 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:17.560 mistakes that don't hire the smarter guys, and then they're 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:18.240 out of a job in. 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:20.560 Three years because they're insecure. Because they're insecure. 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:22.359 Yeah, you can't be that way if you're going to 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:23.520 be successfulness saying all. 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:25.000 Right, we're going to take our first break, We're going 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:26.400 to come back. 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At the star of the segment 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:29.199 proty by blockchain dot Com. Okay, I'm about to take 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:32.439 a detour and I'm gonna take our our off the 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:35.199 air conversation to the air, and I want to hear 0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:35.520 from that. 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:36.680 I feel the passion. 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:39.040 I really will I don't think he's wrong. I want 0:22:39.040 --> 0:22:40.160 to hear from fans. 0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:43.359 I want you guys to either call us, hit us 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:46.280 on Twitter, whatever. I just want to know if you 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:49.480 were Dion Sanders, because the question came up Brian. Brian 0:22:49.520 --> 0:22:51.879 said in the break man go hire Deon Sanders, right, 0:22:51.920 --> 0:22:53.000 And I kind of agree with you. 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:54.159 I think he would be if they're not going to 0:22:54.240 --> 0:22:56.600 hire Eron Glenn. I kind of yeah. 0:22:56.840 --> 0:23:00.800 But that being said, we both also agree there's no 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:02.639 way he wants to coach his son. I mean, he 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:05.160 wants to complay play against his son twice a year, 0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:07.200 and a lot of a lot of it's saying he's 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:08.480 going to get go to the Giants. A lot of 0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:10.879 a lot of pre pre draft mocks are saying that. 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:14.920 And and my thought was, there is no way, absolutely 0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:17.720 no way, on God's green Earth, I would ever set 0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:19.560 myself up in a position where I have to play, 0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:23.199 I have to compete against my child in order for 0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:26.119 his livelihood. There's no way I would put myself in 0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:29.639 that situation. I actually, as a parent, care more about 0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:33.199 my children's success than my own. I will sacrifice my 0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:35.119 own success for the success of my children. 0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:40.200 So Amber, on the other hand was like, screw my son, 0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:43.920 kick his butt. No she didn't say that, but but 0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:46.119 she was. She was on the other side of that arc. 0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:47.400 I'll let you make the argument, but. 0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:53.639 My argument is it's a game. I get it. But listen, 0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:56.280 I'm a type of person. I'll feed my child before 0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:59.320 I get to eat. Yeah, and so that's there's no question. 0:23:59.400 --> 0:24:03.280 Good parent, there's no question about it. Your kid goes first. 0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:06.640 But in something like this, I don't think it's as 0:24:06.680 --> 0:24:10.560 serious as you denying to take your job where at 0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:13.600 the end of the day, Yes, it's your job and 0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:17.080 all of it, but we see it like it's a game. 0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:21.679 And I'm not saying it's just a game, but you 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:25.040 have what is it? It's eighteen games? You got what 0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:28.520 sixteen sixteen other games where you can win and. 0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:31.959 Be fifteen because he'd be playing him twice if he's 0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:33.600 at the time twice a year. 0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:40.280 Oh, we're finding feel. 0:24:43.119 --> 0:24:47.920 I blur that out. I was just counting with It is. 0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:50.440 A game, but it's also a career, and especially in 0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:52.600 this business, if you can't win in your division, you 0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:54.800 get out that around the league. 0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:56.520 I think eventually that's what you know. 0:24:56.600 --> 0:24:58.880 Kind of led to h Daniel Jones's demise is that 0:24:58.920 --> 0:25:02.520 he couldn't win in a I don't know that that 0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:04.119 would be tough because one of you are going to 0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:05.440 have to be on the way out. 0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:09.400 And not only that I can't win, but whatever I think, 0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:12.520 I think I know my children's weaknesses more than anybody 0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:14.560 else on the face of the other side of their mother. Right, 0:25:14.960 --> 0:25:18.119 So if I am coaching against my son, then I 0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:20.680 have to tell my defensive coordinator, here's how you beat 0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:22.520 my son. Here's what he can't do, Here's what he 0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:24.640 doesn't do well, here's what he doesn't like. Right Because 0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:27.960 I know those things because I know him intimately. Guess what, 0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:31.360 there are thirty one other teams, thirty other teams out 0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:33.240 there that are going to watch that game and see, 0:25:33.359 --> 0:25:34.960 oh he doesn't like those things. 0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:36.520 Oh that makes him uncomfortable. 0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:38.919 And so you're not just affecting him in affecting him 0:25:38.960 --> 0:25:41.520 those two games, You're affecting him for all of the games. 0:25:41.520 --> 0:25:44.120 That's gonna affect his career. I just wouldn't be willing 0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:46.600 to do that, and I suspect Beyond would neither because 0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:49.960 what we've heard from Deon publicly is the only way 0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:52.760 I want to play coaching the NFL is if I 0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:55.200 get to coach my sons. Yeah, that's what he said publicly. 0:25:55.240 --> 0:25:57.679 Now he might have a whole different opinion behind the scenes, 0:25:57.840 --> 0:26:00.280 that's what he said publicly. So to say you're going 0:26:00.320 --> 0:26:02.880 to go the exact opposite and say I'm not only 0:26:03.040 --> 0:26:05.280 not going to coach my son, I'm gonna play against 0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:07.880 him twice a year in the same division, I just don't. 0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:10.359 I don't see that happen. As a parent, I can't 0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:11.479 do that. I wouldn't be able to do that. 0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:13.879 Not just that the only head coach that Shador Sanders 0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:17.040 has ever known is deonce right, going back to the 0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:20.600 little league, to high school, to college, both colleges, and 0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:22.320 you know, now he's gonna have to play for a 0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:22.919 different head. 0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:23.399 Coach for the first time. 0:26:23.440 --> 0:26:25.600 What if okay, and I'm with you on this, Derek, 0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:29.280 but real quick, what if Shador played another position. 0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:33.239 Other than quarterback, other than quarterback? Because I do think 0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:34.280 it may be a little bit different. 0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:35.880 See that's what I'm saying. If I do think maybe 0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:38.520 if if if he's playing, say he's a left tackle, 0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:41.480 you know, and you're coaching against your son who's like 0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:44.479 an all pro left tackle that's that's a different thing 0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:47.879 to me playing quarterback is that that's a position that 0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:51.879 you clearly can affect him and it affects you. I 0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:55.000 would hate to because I mean, my son played high 0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:58.480 school quarterback and I every play I just prayed he 0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:00.840 got up after every play. I mean, I just couldn't 0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:04.240 and I couldn't imagine coaching against him and having free 0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:06.800 rushers hit him, you know, because we created a package 0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:08.960 that they missed the blitz pick up, and now my 0:27:09.040 --> 0:27:09.720 son gets just. 0:27:09.840 --> 0:27:13.000 Clocked and you're encouraging your defensive you're encouraging your past 0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:14.000 rushers go kill my son. 0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:17.320 Yeah. Yeah, this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna 0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:20.480 we're gonna blitz. We're gonna blitz Jordan Lewis as a 0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:21.159 free rusher. 0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:24.840 Just let him, you know, the way around. If anything, 0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:27.760 you're giving information to your son and helping him out. 0:27:28.600 --> 0:27:29.159 You don't know. 0:27:30.480 --> 0:27:33.840 But that's also what I'm saying. I'm just saying, like 0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:36.159 it could be the other way around. Like, if anything, 0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:37.919 you're helping him out in two games. 0:27:37.680 --> 0:27:40.200 If he's if he's not the quarterback, I think I 0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:41.399 think differently. 0:27:41.920 --> 0:27:44.520 Say well, you're gonna be better then than they are. 0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:45.560 Probably. 0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:48.640 No, I'm not saying that's not that's not even the point. 0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:49.679 The point is you are. 0:27:50.000 --> 0:27:55.159 You are actively taking a part in his demise professionally 0:27:55.480 --> 0:27:57.760 like you are taking part and trying to figure. 0:27:57.440 --> 0:27:59.240 Out how to make him less successful. 0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:02.080 I can't imagine a world where my job would be 0:28:02.560 --> 0:28:04.800 to figure out, at least for two weeks out of 0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:08.240 the year, how I'm going to get my child less successful. 0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:10.719 You're absolutely right about putting out film about him too. 0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:14.399 Say you have success getting guys home on him, and 0:28:14.480 --> 0:28:16.440 now the teams are like, well, let's say you play 0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:19.080 him this is his kryptonite, make him play backwards and 0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:21.720 send rushers and you know all that stuff. So no, 0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:22.800 I want no part of that. 0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:24.880 Let's go real quick. We got horse in Atlanta. Horse, 0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:25.639 what do you think all this? 0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:31.159 How you doing? Guys? I think that I would. I 0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:34.120 would definitely put coach to win. I mean, I would 0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:36.200 not try and take it easy. I don't mind that 0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:38.960 the fact that my son would be playing. I think 0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:40.560 it would be a blessing that both of us would 0:28:40.560 --> 0:28:43.840 be out there on the field. I would do my best. Now, 0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:47.480 I wouldn't tell I would definitely tell my defensive team 0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:50.120 look don't chief shot my son. You can hit him, 0:28:50.560 --> 0:29:00.200 but don't chief shot it. I'll cut you ass. But yeah, definitely, man, 0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:00.959 I appreciate the call. 0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:02.320 Now. 0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:04.480 I get that it would be a blessing that we're 0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:06.640 both in. I get all that. I just I would 0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:08.240 have a very difficult time. 0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:13.480 Wanting my kid to be unsuccessful fail ever ever, like 0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:16.320 I want them to be as successful as possible, and 0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:19.640 I would never do anything to contribute to them not 0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:20.480 being successful. 0:29:21.160 --> 0:29:22.880 That would be just too difficult for me to do. 0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:24.440 But a you do what you do. 0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:30.200 I mean, I mean, yeah, I mean, hey, I see 0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:34.720 it differently, But that's okay. That's fine. Everybody against me today, 0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:40.200 but it's okay. I can take it. I I see 0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:43.920 it differently. I don't think you should ever do anything 0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:48.400 to hurt the people you love or anything like that 0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:51.240 or screw them over in their career. But I don't. 0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:53.560 I don't see it as something as big as that. 0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:56.520 I see it as it's a game. You go in, 0:29:57.160 --> 0:30:01.800 you play, the best person win, and that's it, and 0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:02.760 that's that is. 0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:05.080 A fair I think that's a fair way to look 0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:07.240 at the world. I just think I would have a 0:30:07.400 --> 0:30:09.360 very difficult time to do it for my kids, like 0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:11.920 I just the relationship that I have with my kids, 0:30:12.120 --> 0:30:14.680 I would be it would hurt me. It would really 0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:18.240 hurt me to know that I did something that made 0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:21.920 them less successful because my whole life, their whole life, 0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:25.640 I have my whole objective. Everything I do has been 0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:28.840 about their success, their ability to advance, their ability to 0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:31.720 get opportunities, Like it's every like I pour everything. I 0:30:31.800 --> 0:30:33.520 come to work every day and work so I can 0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:35.400 send my kid off to college and be able to 0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:38.400 achieve all the things they want to achieve. So if 0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:40.960 that's been my whole life, I can't imagine a world 0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:44.960 where I can then flip that and say, in this scenario, 0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:47.240 I'm actually going to be rooting for them to not 0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:48.120 be successful. 0:30:48.280 --> 0:30:49.840 That would be very so's not going to be the 0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:50.720 coach here that I would. 0:30:51.200 --> 0:30:53.000 But hey, Deane may look at it more like Amber. 0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:55.480 I'm not. I'm not projecting that onto Dan it. He 0:30:55.520 --> 0:30:56.960 may look at it. I wouldn't know. 0:30:57.080 --> 0:30:58.720 I think you look said the way you do because 0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:00.520 he doesn't want to coach against his ca he wants 0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:01.360 to be on the same team. 0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:02.120 I would guess. 0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:02.400 Yeah. 0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:06.520 And also I think it's a lot about the relationship too, 0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:09.320 Like let's say if at his home, depending on the 0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:12.240 kind of conversation, if there's any inclination of let's say, 0:31:12.280 --> 0:31:14.320 my child not wanting me to do something or being 0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:18.240 like one hundred percent no question about it, that's let's 0:31:18.280 --> 0:31:19.520 send a discussion right here. 0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:22.560 But if those are they told you they didn't want 0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:22.680 you to. 0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:25.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yea yeah, absolutely, that a thousand percent. 0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:28.920 But if it's a conversation where like it's let's say 0:31:28.960 --> 0:31:32.080 the kid is not a big deal or whatever, it's like, oh, 0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:34.960 let's do it whatever, and now it's like competition, you 0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:38.040 know whatever, then I don't see the problem with it. 0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:42.480 I think. I mean, like you said, it's a personal 0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:46.880 obviously a personal decision, but if he was to do that, 0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:50.440 I wouldn't see anything bad or think anything bad against 0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:52.240 his decision whichever way. 0:31:52.440 --> 0:31:53.440 Right now, I agree with that. 0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:55.760 I just it was more for me a personal thing, 0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:59.800 and obviously I felt very strongly but clearly, but I 0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:02.800 I can't imagine. I just cannot imagine that now. I 0:32:02.880 --> 0:32:04.720 think Brian kind of agrees with that, and that maybe 0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:06.800 obviously there are other parents out there they're probably looking 0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:08.840 at a little differently, and that's Okay, I'm not saying 0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:10.480 it has to be one where I'm just saying that 0:32:10.560 --> 0:32:12.000 that would be very, very difficult for me. 0:32:12.280 --> 0:32:13.240 We're gonna take our final break. 0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:15.800 We'll come back and I guess we will get back 0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:17.320 into some of these other coaches and talk a little 0:32:17.320 --> 0:32:19.520 bit about whether we think they will be a fit, 0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:21.160 or what we like best about them and what we 0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:22.400 think maybe the biggest challenges. 0:32:22.440 --> 0:32:24.000 We'll be back Dallas Cowboys dot com Radio. 0:32:26.560 --> 0:32:28.560 If you can't be at the stadium, there's no better 0:32:28.600 --> 0:32:30.960 way to watch your Cowboys than on an lg O 0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:34.680 lead Evo TV. 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What would you like about him 0:35:22.840 --> 0:35:24.040 and what do you think would be a challenge. 0:35:24.640 --> 0:35:25.919 I would like the idea as a DC. 0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:29.520 Looking at five of his last seven seasons as a 0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:32.160 defensive coordinator that spends his time in Buffalo and the 0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:34.440 tail end of his time in Tampa Bay. He's had 0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:37.080 a top ten total defense and three of his last 0:35:37.160 --> 0:35:39.480 four years in Buffalo he had a top. 0:35:39.360 --> 0:35:41.120 Two scoring defense. And that's it. 0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:42.240 Like thatly what matters. 0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:46.160 I think he has the head coaching experience he's been 0:35:46.200 --> 0:35:48.560 in the league since two thousand and three as a coordinator, 0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:51.160 as his overall experience in the league goes back further 0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:53.680 than that, you'd have skins on the wall, you have experience, 0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:55.719 you'd have a respective voice in that locker room too. 0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:58.160 I think he would be a hell of a DC higher. 0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:01.120 If we were going to hire a former head coach guy, 0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:04.000 I would have done the Pete Carroll one. I would 0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:06.879 have Pete Carroll is absolutely if we're talking head coach, yeah, 0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:09.000 and and and but the thing about with Leslie, Yeah, 0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:12.520 you could potentially the defensive coordinator spot seems to work out. 0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:17.040 Another quiet guy, calmdemeanor. Uh, has a lot of respect 0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:17.640 in the league. 0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:18.360 Uh. 0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:21.839 You know, I think there's a there's positives with him 0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:24.400 that I think the experience. I think that you know, 0:36:24.560 --> 0:36:28.960 he he happened to spend the last year in Seattle 0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:33.359 with a really dynamic defensive coordinator there. If you start 0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:35.719 to talk about, you know, with their head coach and 0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:38.840 and what all they've done, So maybe he's picked up 0:36:38.880 --> 0:36:42.000 on some things there. I'm always interested about these coaches, 0:36:42.040 --> 0:36:44.560 those older coaches that go and work with somebody else 0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:47.400 and kind of get some ideas of how to attack. 0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:50.759 So as a defensive coordinator, I'd be I'd be more 0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:53.960 than happy with him having the opportunity to to talk 0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:56.520 with whoever is the head coach here. 0:36:57.640 --> 0:37:01.160 I agree. I think he he's shown to have the 0:37:01.239 --> 0:37:05.600 experience and again as the defensive coordinator. I don't know 0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:08.120 if I necessarily would want him as a head coach. 0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:11.360 And another thing, even though I'm more leaning towards like 0:37:11.680 --> 0:37:15.959 I like the defensive minds better after what we've seen 0:37:16.640 --> 0:37:20.920 with the offense here in Dallas, I'm like, Okay, is 0:37:21.000 --> 0:37:25.280 it more important to have somebody with that offensive mindset 0:37:25.440 --> 0:37:28.960 that knows better how to lead and what to do 0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:33.680 when time management and when to throw a flag type 0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:38.200 of stuff, challenger all those things like that to improve 0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:42.400 this offense in general. But I I like Frasier. I 0:37:43.600 --> 0:37:47.759 I think potentially he's more likely to land a DC 0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:49.359 job rather than a head coach. 0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:51.680 You know what, if you're gonna if you're gonna if 0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:54.880 you're gonna hire Kellen or when they say, guys, listen 0:37:55.440 --> 0:37:57.719 and you guys all know my relations We all have 0:37:57.800 --> 0:37:59.920 a relationship with Mike Zimmer. We all know Mike Zam, 0:38:00.760 --> 0:38:04.000 but he seems like the one guy that has a 0:38:04.120 --> 0:38:07.759 plan for how to play Jane Daniels, you know what 0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:10.120 I'm saying. I would kind of think about that a 0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:12.680 little bit, you know, I would say, listen, this, this 0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:16.239 looks like the future of our division is having to 0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:19.040 deal with this guy every year now twice a year. 0:38:19.760 --> 0:38:21.920 You know, how do you find a way to convince 0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:25.879 Mike Zimmer to come back on staff and allow him 0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:28.279 to do the things that he did say the last 0:38:28.320 --> 0:38:29.480 ten weeks of that season. 0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:32.480 Do you think do you think Mike is open to 0:38:32.520 --> 0:38:34.880 the idea of coming back or is it a situation 0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:36.799 where he really wants to just kind of. 0:38:37.239 --> 0:38:38.960 I know he wanted I talked to him. He said 0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:40.799 he wanted to be the head coach. That's not going 0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:43.400 to happen. Yeah, I really did believe though they have 0:38:43.560 --> 0:38:46.800 Cincinnati Bengals called about their defensive coordinator job, which this 0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:49.920 Al Golden just got he was at Notre Dame. I 0:38:50.000 --> 0:38:52.760 believe Mike would have gone back. His home in Kentucky 0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:55.360 is only really like twenty minutes away from the facility 0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:57.480 there in Cincinnati. I think he would have gone back 0:38:57.560 --> 0:39:00.439 and been real happy. He loved working there. But yeah, 0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:03.799 I you know, I I wish Jerry and Steven could 0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:06.400 convince him, But I don't know if his heart's completely 0:39:06.480 --> 0:39:09.759 into it. Yeah, and I think that's where you know, 0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:12.280 just hey, thank you for what you did. You bridged 0:39:12.320 --> 0:39:15.600 a gap, you know, Uh so yeah, it uh you know, 0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:19.000 it's it's it's unfortunate that they didn't have the success 0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:22.239 early as they did late. I think it might have 0:39:22.280 --> 0:39:23.440 been a different story here then. 0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:23.680 Yeah. 0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:26.080 I think most fans, at least the fans I've talked to, 0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:29.359 seem to be okay with the idea of Zember one 0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:31.480 back coming back and wanting him to come back. Now, 0:39:31.600 --> 0:39:33.600 I just don't know if that's something that that Mike wouldness. 0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:36.520 Well, no, and that's yeah. The thing about it is, 0:39:36.680 --> 0:39:39.480 it's it's kind of crazy because you know, Mike and 0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:42.400 his staff did a really good job. They got Massie 0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:44.759 to play better, They got OsO Diggi Zua to play 0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:47.200 at a very high level contract year, they got Golsta 0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:50.600 played a really high year, a high you know effort 0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:53.680 and all that. He took some rookie dudes, but they 0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:57.359 did with Overshown and and and Micah Parsons. I mean 0:39:57.480 --> 0:39:59.279 there was some man. They did some good things with 0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:02.480 those guys. Several guys had correct they elevate and a 0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:04.920 lot of those guys it was a contract year. You know, 0:40:04.960 --> 0:40:08.160 they're playing for their jobs. But somebody coach those guys 0:40:08.239 --> 0:40:10.480 up to be better than they were. And I think 0:40:10.560 --> 0:40:12.719 you have to give that defensive staff some credit for 0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:14.799 doing that, even if they don't, if none of them 0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:16.799 come back, you know, tip of the cap for them, 0:40:16.920 --> 0:40:20.320 for We've been waiting for years for Golston and Osen 0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:22.640 those guys to play at a really high level, and 0:40:23.200 --> 0:40:25.560 they achieved that with this coaching staff. 0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:29.000 And Mike got he recently made comments about it when 0:40:29.080 --> 0:40:31.560 talking about whether he wanted to have him back or not, 0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:34.560 and he pointed out with dan Quinn how it was 0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:37.439 with him that the first year the defense was good, 0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:40.319 and how much better they wear that second year under 0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:43.360 dan Quinn is so similar to this of like running 0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:46.200 it back and seeing what a second year with the 0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:48.640 same voice and the same type of leadership would be 0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:53.560 like under Mike Zimmer and looking again at what he 0:40:53.760 --> 0:40:57.880 was able to make despite all the injuries that occur 0:40:59.080 --> 0:41:01.800 during the season and that second half of the season. 0:41:01.880 --> 0:41:03.920 And I love the fact that he also recognized and 0:41:04.400 --> 0:41:06.879 talked to the media pointed out like, yeah, I wish 0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:10.240 I would have started out a lot tougher from the beginning, 0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:13.480 And he said he was kind of afraid of like 0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:17.200 coming into this being new and just tapping on people's 0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:19.920 toes and he and you know, I love hearing when 0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:22.560 people say those things out loud and voice O over. 0:41:22.600 --> 0:41:24.319 I don't I'm with you. I don't think he would 0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:28.440 want to come back, but I would absolutely love. 0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:28.759 To have him. 0:41:28.840 --> 0:41:32.479 Well, I'll tell you something, Jeff Suguina the defensive line coach, 0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:35.960 he might have found something there because he was probably 0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:38.799 remember they interviewed Ron Rivera for the job, and Ron 0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:41.080 was in Washington. Or they get Jeff Saguina from the 0:41:41.080 --> 0:41:45.719 Gun from Washington, So probably Ron Rivera talking about, Hey, 0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:47.520 I'll bring this guy along, and all of a sudden, 0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:49.640 the Joneses are like, man, we need to research this guy. 0:41:50.040 --> 0:41:53.239 And he so they did play better across the front, 0:41:53.360 --> 0:41:55.600 and he might be he might have been, you know, 0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:58.520 nothing against you know, aiden dirty who went and left. 0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:01.680 But Jeff Kina got these guys. I would kind of 0:42:01.800 --> 0:42:04.960 keep him like, hey, listen, just hang in there, hang 0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:07.520 in there, because this guy might be the defensive line 0:42:07.600 --> 0:42:10.040 coach you need. If he could get Mazi to play 0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:12.600 better and these other guys to play better, maybe this 0:42:12.719 --> 0:42:15.080 guy needs to be on the new staff coming in here. Well. 0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:19.360 Greg ellis Canina from at least my interpretation was a 0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:22.080 lot more influential with the interior guys. Yeah, when you 0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:24.440 talk about Mazi oh so, even a little bit of Golston, 0:42:24.520 --> 0:42:26.319 even though Golston kicked out by the end of the year, 0:42:26.560 --> 0:42:28.520 and then ellis more so in so I would say, yeah, 0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:30.520 you see what you got to bring back both of them. 0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:30.759 Yeah. 0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:31.040 Yeah. 0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:33.560 Let's talk real quick about Brian Schottenheimer. What do you 0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:35.920 expect from him or what do you like about him? 0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:37.239 And what do you think would be a challenge of 0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:37.799 hiring him? 0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:39.799 Yeah, I think a culture builder. I think that would 0:42:39.840 --> 0:42:41.839 be the biggest plus for him. I think of all 0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:43.960 the candidates on the board, he'd probably be the best 0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:47.160 one in that category. As far as you know, is 0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:49.080 he calling plays? That's the question I would have. And 0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:51.919 if so, you know, just based on his resume, based 0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:53.680 on the offenses that he's put out, whether it be 0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:56.680 in Jacksonville's passing game coordinator, oh see in his time 0:42:56.800 --> 0:42:59.720 and Seattle and some other stops. 0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:02.240 Ran, I think this would you would. 0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:04.160 Have to have some concerns about the offensive side of 0:43:04.200 --> 0:43:05.920 the ball, but there would also be a lot of 0:43:05.920 --> 0:43:07.719 consistency on the offensive side of the ball. I think 0:43:07.760 --> 0:43:09.719 this would be kind of a situation where him and 0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:12.279 Dak would build the offense together and what does that 0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:13.319 look like at the end of the day. 0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:14.839 We will have to figure that out. 0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:17.600 But I think it's really dependent on who he would 0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:19.880 hire as a DC or who the front office would. 0:43:19.719 --> 0:43:20.279 Hire as a DC. 0:43:20.480 --> 0:43:22.359 Yeah. I think the thing about it is, I think 0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:25.200 that he has I think his enthusiasm is really good, 0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:27.560 and I think sometimes, you know, I'm saying, I'm saying 0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:29.120 you need a raw rock coach because. 0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:30.480 Raw rock coaches will get got get energy. 0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:33.000 Yeah, yeah, they'll get you beat too. But but yeah, 0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:36.040 but his his ability to relate to the players and 0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:37.840 kind of understand what the players go through in a 0:43:37.920 --> 0:43:40.880 daily basis. He's been here before. He understands the drill, 0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:43.239 you know, probably works well with the you know, we'll 0:43:43.280 --> 0:43:45.600 see what the personnel department as far as getting together 0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:47.640 the players, because we've talked about it a bunch on 0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:50.279 this show. As a head coach, you do have that 0:43:50.440 --> 0:43:53.560 ability to affect how they they get players here. So 0:43:54.719 --> 0:43:56.839 I would be you know, that would be I think 0:43:57.080 --> 0:43:59.359 a good hire here. Now, if you're one of those 0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:01.640 fans that I say this to you guys earlier, if 0:44:01.680 --> 0:44:04.320 you're a fan of Dak Prescott and you hate this 0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:08.120 higher Schottenheimer, shame on you, because this hire would be 0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:11.719 about continuity. This would be about keeping things the same 0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:14.759 way for Dak Prescott and C. D Lamb. That's what 0:44:14.880 --> 0:44:17.480 it's about. So if you hate this higher and you're 0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:19.879 a fan of Dak, then you're barking up the wrong 0:44:20.000 --> 0:44:23.600 tree because they're that now they're trying to well, am 0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:25.839 I am I right about you? That's what I'm saying 0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:27.759 you you could get You could be a Dak fan 0:44:27.840 --> 0:44:30.239 to be mad about the hiring, but they're trying to 0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:33.400 help your guy. Now, you people that don't like Dak Prescott, 0:44:33.880 --> 0:44:36.080 keep bitching because you know you could do that. 0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:38.400 It's fair, it's fair. You can keeping that. 0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:40.239 But if you're but if you're a fan of Dak, 0:44:40.719 --> 0:44:43.920 they're trying to make a higher with Brian Schottenheimer that 0:44:44.040 --> 0:44:46.960 will help Dak Prescott and C. D Lamb. So remember 0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:48.840 that when you start bitching about. 0:44:51.640 --> 0:44:55.560 Uh times at me. 0:44:55.880 --> 0:44:58.520 That's pretty good. All right, here's the deal. 0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:00.200 We I appreciate you, guys, joan us So we back 0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:02.719 next week next Wednesday. We'll see if something breaks. Keep 0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:05.080 stay tuned to Dallas Cowboys dot com. 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