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Speaker 1: right with Mbar Garcia, Brian brought us, Nick Harris and

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Speaker 5: episodes in Brian still hasn't figured out the chair, but that's.

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Speaker 3: Okay, working on in Boston.

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Speaker 2: We'll keep working on that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've been working for you for about fourteen

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Speaker 3: years and chair never works.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Maybe at some point we'll just say it's the chair

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Speaker 5: and we need to get you a new chair.

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Speaker 3: Exactly. We're a good man.

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Speaker 4: We're speaking of chairs. Someone got rid of our chairs

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Speaker 4: at training camp years ago. I oun't know where what

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Speaker 4: remember that we took the chairs we had back at

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Speaker 4: Valley Ranch. Yeah, and we shipped them out on the truck. Well,

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Speaker 4: I had the comfortable chairs, and then we decided to

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Speaker 4: leave them out there for storage. And then we got

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Speaker 4: in back the next year, and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 4: two years after, we never found them.

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Speaker 3: Never found the chairs again. I started bringing my own chair.

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Speaker 3: Bucky and Mike were nice enough to let me pack

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Speaker 3: a chair camp or camp.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was your big leather chair.

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Speaker 3: I had my leather chair. Yeah. She's right though, Emperor and.

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Speaker 4: He got me to take my chair as well, because

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Speaker 4: those chairs on training camp are really uncomfortable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I have the video of the last day at

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Speaker 3: Valley Ranch, like when we closed the door and turn

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Speaker 3: off the lights, that kind of thing, And yeah, I

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Speaker 3: missed that chair. There's probably there's probably somebody an Oxnard

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Speaker 3: there that has that chair, and it's probably sitting back

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Speaker 3: right now listening to our broadcast.

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Speaker 5: Nick and I don't worry about that. We're just out

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Speaker 5: there grinding, just fighting for our lives. Yeah, that's just

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Speaker 5: what we know. We were always fighting for your lives.

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Speaker 2: I remember the old T shirts, right, if you do,

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Speaker 2: you still have yours. I do still have had it

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Speaker 2: on the other day, I wear.

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Speaker 3: It every once while goes what does this mean? And

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Speaker 3: I go, you really don't want to know.

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Speaker 5: You really don't want to know. Oh that was before

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Speaker 5: your time, though, that was your time. Sometimes I forget

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Speaker 5: you went around for something that old.

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, Jason Garrett, he used to come up

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Speaker 4: with some interesting slogans for the season and and acronyms

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Speaker 4: and stuffs that were very interesting.

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Speaker 2: So we can't move one of our own. Tell you

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Speaker 2: the story, tell you all right? So who's were going

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Speaker 2: to do today?

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Speaker 3: Obviously Derek did a really smart thing not acquiring us

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Speaker 3: to go to that big meeting that they had that

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Speaker 3: brought us all like, hey, boss, this is a bad idea. Man,

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Speaker 3: this guy's giving me the raw ross and I'm about

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Speaker 3: to tell him he can't coach a lit Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes we do have to politely declined thank you.

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Speaker 3: But note Eric said, thank you very much. We'll catch

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Speaker 3: you down the road.

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Speaker 2: No, but what I said was I will go for

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Speaker 2: the group.

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Speaker 3: You guys, yeah, exactly, all know and represent our You're

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Speaker 3: a great boss, that's the question.

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Speaker 5: All right, let's talk. Here's what we got to talk

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Speaker 5: about today. We got to talk about the coaching search.

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Speaker 5: More has happened since last week when we met. We'll

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Speaker 2: I have some questions for you guys.

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Speaker 5: It's really our season in review, and I'm gonna take

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Speaker 5: coaching search. At this point, they have interviewed Kellen Moore,

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Speaker 2: Let's go through each of them and what I'd like

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Speaker 5: I'm going to give you a name, and I want

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Speaker 5: What do you like about him? What concerns you most

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Speaker 2: I think as a head coaches.

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Speaker 6: I think there's still a lot of growth to have

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Speaker 6: Granted, growth could also be a negative, and it's going

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Speaker 6: to be part of my negative is the fact that

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Speaker 6: and you know, there were, you know, concerns whenever he

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Speaker 7: That would definitely be something he would have to answer

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Speaker 3: I think the presence is the biggest problem for me,

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Speaker 3: Tell me why I should you know, sacrifice everything for

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Speaker 3: You know, quiet guys. There's Tony Dungees of the world.

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Speaker 5: Do you have a positive one thing that you would think, Hey,

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Speaker 5: that would be an actual advantage.

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Speaker 7: I think.

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Speaker 3: I think the fact that he spent a lot of

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Speaker 3: He understands there's dot Com. He understands, there's blue Star

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Speaker 3: there's a cafeteria. He knows who the locker room is,

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Speaker 4: I agree, that's an advantage for sure. The familiarity of

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Speaker 7: Really, I'm not.

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Speaker 4: You don't see me walking into a room, which shut.

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Speaker 2: Up, you know what? Oh guy, here we go. This

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Speaker 4: But yeah, wow. Anyways, as a quiet person myself in

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Speaker 5: Let me ask you, Yes, I want to I want

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Speaker 3: See, this is the positive that I was going to

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Speaker 3: give about Schottenheimer. Exactly what you're saying about, you know,

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Speaker 3: He's a winner. The guy, he's a winner. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: You'll point it out.

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Speaker 2: Three years because they're insecure. Because they're insecure.

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Speaker 5: a detour and I'm gonna take our our off the

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Speaker 5: air conversation to the air, and I want to hear

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Speaker 5: from that.

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Speaker 4: I feel the passion.

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Speaker 2: I really will I don't think he's wrong. I want

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Speaker 5: I want you guys to either call us, hit us

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Speaker 5: on Twitter, whatever. I just want to know if you

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Speaker 5: were Dion Sanders, because the question came up Brian. Brian

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Speaker 5: said in the break man go hire Deon Sanders, right,

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Speaker 5: And I kind of agree with you.

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Speaker 3: I think he would be if they're not going to

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Speaker 3: hire Eron Glenn. I kind of yeah.

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Speaker 5: But that being said, we both also agree there's no

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Speaker 5: way he wants to coach his son. I mean, he

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Speaker 5: wants to complay play against his son twice a year,

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Speaker 5: and a lot of a lot of it's saying he's

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Speaker 5: a lot of pre pre draft mocks are saying that.

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Speaker 5: And and my thought was, there is no way, absolutely

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Speaker 5: no way, on God's green Earth, I would ever set

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Speaker 5: myself up in a position where I have to play,

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Speaker 5: I have to compete against my child in order for

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Speaker 5: his livelihood. There's no way I would put myself in

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Speaker 5: that situation. I actually, as a parent, care more about

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Speaker 5: my children's success than my own. I will sacrifice my

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Speaker 5: own success for the success of my children.

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Speaker 15: So Amber, on the other hand was like, screw my son,

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Speaker 15: kick his butt. No she didn't say that, but but

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Speaker 15: she was. She was on the other side of that arc.

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Speaker 15: I'll let you make the argument, but.

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Speaker 4: My argument is it's a game. I get it. But listen,

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Speaker 4: I'm a type of person. I'll feed my child before

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Speaker 4: I get to eat. Yeah, and so that's there's no question.

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Speaker 4: Good parent, there's no question about it. Your kid goes first.

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Speaker 4: But in something like this, I don't think it's as

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Speaker 4: serious as you denying to take your job where at

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Speaker 4: the end of the day, Yes, it's your job and

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Speaker 4: all of it, but we see it like it's a game.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not saying it's just a game, but you

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Speaker 4: have what is it? It's eighteen games? You got what

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Speaker 4: sixteen sixteen other games where you can win and.

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Speaker 5: Be fifteen because he'd be playing him twice if he's

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Speaker 5: at the time twice a year.

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Speaker 2: Oh, we're finding feel.

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Speaker 4: I blur that out. I was just counting with It is.

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Speaker 6: A game, but it's also a career, and especially in

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Speaker 6: this business, if you can't win in your division, you

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Speaker 6: get out that around the league.

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Speaker 7: I think eventually that's what you know.

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Speaker 6: Kind of led to h Daniel Jones's demise is that

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Speaker 6: he couldn't win in a I don't know that that

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Speaker 6: would be tough because one of you are going to

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Speaker 6: have to be on the way out.

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Speaker 5: And not only that I can't win, but whatever I think,

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Speaker 5: I think I know my children's weaknesses more than anybody

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Speaker 5: else on the face of the other side of their mother. Right,

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Speaker 5: So if I am coaching against my son, then I

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Speaker 5: have to tell my defensive coordinator, here's how you beat

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Speaker 5: my son. Here's what he can't do, Here's what he

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Speaker 5: doesn't do well, here's what he doesn't like. Right Because

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Speaker 5: I know those things because I know him intimately. Guess what,

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Speaker 5: there are thirty one other teams, thirty other teams out

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Speaker 5: there that are going to watch that game and see,

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Speaker 5: oh he doesn't like those things.

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Speaker 2: Oh that makes him uncomfortable.

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Speaker 5: And so you're not just affecting him in affecting him

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Speaker 5: those two games, You're affecting him for all of the games.

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Speaker 5: That's gonna affect his career. I just wouldn't be willing

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Speaker 5: to do that, and I suspect Beyond would neither because

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Speaker 5: what we've heard from Deon publicly is the only way

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Speaker 5: I want to play coaching the NFL is if I

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Speaker 5: get to coach my sons. Yeah, that's what he said publicly.

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Speaker 5: Now he might have a whole different opinion behind the scenes,

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Speaker 5: that's what he said publicly. So to say you're going

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Speaker 5: to go the exact opposite and say I'm not only

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Speaker 5: not going to coach my son, I'm gonna play against

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Speaker 5: him twice a year in the same division, I just don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't see that happen. As a parent, I can't

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Speaker 2: do that. I wouldn't be able to do that.

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Speaker 6: Not just that the only head coach that Shador Sanders

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Speaker 6: has ever known is deonce right, going back to the

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Speaker 6: little league, to high school, to college, both colleges, and

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Speaker 6: you know, now he's gonna have to play for a

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Speaker 6: different head.

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Speaker 7: Coach for the first time.

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Speaker 3: What if okay, and I'm with you on this, Derek,

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Speaker 3: but real quick, what if Shador played another position.

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Speaker 2: Other than quarterback, other than quarterback? Because I do think

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Speaker 2: it may be a little bit different.

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Speaker 3: See that's what I'm saying. If I do think maybe

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Speaker 3: if if if he's playing, say he's a left tackle,

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Speaker 3: you know, and you're coaching against your son who's like

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Speaker 3: an all pro left tackle that's that's a different thing

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Speaker 3: to me playing quarterback is that that's a position that

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Speaker 3: you clearly can affect him and it affects you. I

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Speaker 3: would hate to because I mean, my son played high

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Speaker 3: school quarterback and I every play I just prayed he

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Speaker 3: got up after every play. I mean, I just couldn't

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Speaker 3: and I couldn't imagine coaching against him and having free

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Speaker 3: rushers hit him, you know, because we created a package

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Speaker 3: that they missed the blitz pick up, and now my

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Speaker 3: son gets just.

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Speaker 5: Clocked and you're encouraging your defensive you're encouraging your past

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Speaker 5: rushers go kill my son.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna

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Speaker 3: we're gonna blitz. We're gonna blitz Jordan Lewis as a

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Speaker 3: free rusher.

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Speaker 4: Just let him, you know, the way around. If anything,

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Speaker 4: you're giving information to your son and helping him out.

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Speaker 3: You don't know.

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Speaker 4: But that's also what I'm saying. I'm just saying, like

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Speaker 4: it could be the other way around. Like, if anything,

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Speaker 4: you're helping him out in two games.

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Speaker 3: If he's if he's not the quarterback, I think I

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Speaker 3: think differently.

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Speaker 4: Say well, you're gonna be better then than they are.

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Speaker 3: Probably.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm not saying that's not that's not even the point.

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Speaker 2: The point is you are.

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Speaker 5: You are actively taking a part in his demise professionally

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Speaker 5: like you are taking part and trying to figure.

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Speaker 2: Out how to make him less successful.

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Speaker 5: I can't imagine a world where my job would be

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Speaker 5: to figure out, at least for two weeks out of

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Speaker 5: the year, how I'm going to get my child less successful.

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Speaker 3: You're absolutely right about putting out film about him too.

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Speaker 3: Say you have success getting guys home on him, and

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Speaker 3: now the teams are like, well, let's say you play

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Speaker 3: him this is his kryptonite, make him play backwards and

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Speaker 3: send rushers and you know all that stuff. So no,

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Speaker 3: I want no part of that.

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Speaker 2: Let's go real quick. We got horse in Atlanta. Horse,

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Speaker 2: what do you think all this?

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Speaker 16: How you doing? Guys? I think that I would. I

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Speaker 16: would definitely put coach to win. I mean, I would

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Speaker 16: not try and take it easy. I don't mind that

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Speaker 16: the fact that my son would be playing. I think

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Speaker 16: it would be a blessing that both of us would

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Speaker 16: be out there on the field. I would do my best. Now,

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Speaker 16: I wouldn't tell I would definitely tell my defensive team

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Speaker 16: look don't chief shot my son. You can hit him,

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Speaker 16: but don't chief shot it. I'll cut you ass. But yeah, definitely, man,

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Speaker 16: I appreciate the call.

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Speaker 17: Now.

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Speaker 2: I get that it would be a blessing that we're

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Speaker 2: both in. I get all that. I just I would

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Speaker 2: have a very difficult time.

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Speaker 5: Wanting my kid to be unsuccessful fail ever ever, like

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Speaker 5: I want them to be as successful as possible, and

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Speaker 5: I would never do anything to contribute to them not

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Speaker 5: being successful.

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Speaker 2: That would be just too difficult for me to do.

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Speaker 2: But a you do what you do.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, yeah, I mean, hey, I see

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Speaker 4: it differently, But that's okay. That's fine. Everybody against me today,

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Speaker 4: but it's okay. I can take it. I I see

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Speaker 4: it differently. I don't think you should ever do anything

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Speaker 4: to hurt the people you love or anything like that

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Speaker 4: or screw them over in their career. But I don't.

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Speaker 4: I don't see it as something as big as that.

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Speaker 4: I see it as it's a game. You go in,

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Speaker 4: you play, the best person win, and that's it, and

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Speaker 4: that's that is.

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Speaker 5: A fair I think that's a fair way to look

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Speaker 5: at the world. I just think I would have a

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Speaker 5: very difficult time to do it for my kids, like

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Speaker 5: I just the relationship that I have with my kids,

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Speaker 5: I would be it would hurt me. It would really

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Speaker 5: hurt me to know that I did something that made

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Speaker 5: them less successful because my whole life, their whole life,

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Speaker 5: I have my whole objective. Everything I do has been

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Speaker 5: about their success, their ability to advance, their ability to

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Speaker 5: get opportunities, Like it's every like I pour everything. I

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Speaker 5: come to work every day and work so I can

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Speaker 5: send my kid off to college and be able to

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Speaker 5: achieve all the things they want to achieve. So if

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Speaker 5: that's been my whole life, I can't imagine a world

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Speaker 5: where I can then flip that and say, in this scenario,

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Speaker 5: I'm actually going to be rooting for them to not

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Speaker 5: be successful.

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Speaker 3: That would be very so's not going to be the

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Speaker 3: coach here that I would.

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Speaker 2: But hey, Deane may look at it more like Amber.

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Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not projecting that onto Dan it. He

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Speaker 2: may look at it. I wouldn't know.

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Speaker 3: I think you look said the way you do because

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Speaker 3: he doesn't want to coach against his ca he wants

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Speaker 3: to be on the same team.

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Speaker 2: I would guess.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And also I think it's a lot about the relationship too,

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Speaker 4: Like let's say if at his home, depending on the

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Speaker 4: kind of conversation, if there's any inclination of let's say,

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Speaker 4: my child not wanting me to do something or being

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Speaker 4: like one hundred percent no question about it, that's let's

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Speaker 4: send a discussion right here.

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Speaker 2: But if those are they told you they didn't want

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Speaker 2: you to.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yea yeah, absolutely, that a thousand percent.

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Speaker 4: But if it's a conversation where like it's let's say

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Speaker 4: the kid is not a big deal or whatever, it's like, oh,

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Speaker 4: let's do it whatever, and now it's like competition, you

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Speaker 4: know whatever, then I don't see the problem with it.

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Speaker 4: I think. I mean, like you said, it's a personal

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Speaker 4: obviously a personal decision, but if he was to do that,

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't see anything bad or think anything bad against

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Speaker 4: his decision whichever way.

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Speaker 2: Right now, I agree with that.

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Speaker 5: I just it was more for me a personal thing,

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Speaker 5: I can't imagine. I just cannot imagine that now. I

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Speaker 5: think Brian kind of agrees with that, and that maybe

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Speaker 5: obviously there are other parents out there they're probably looking

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Speaker 5: at a little differently, and that's Okay, I'm not saying

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Speaker 5: it has to be one where I'm just saying that

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Speaker 5: Let's look at at Leslie Fraser. What do you like

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Speaker 5: about the potential hire of a Leslie Fraser? And I

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Speaker 5: want you to think about this from a standpoint of

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Speaker 5: either an off either a head coach or maybe even

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Speaker 5: as a defensive coordinator. What would you like about him

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Speaker 5: and what do you think would be a challenge.

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Speaker 7: I would like the idea as a DC.

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Speaker 6: Looking at five of his last seven seasons as a

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Speaker 6: defensive coordinator that spends his time in Buffalo and the

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Speaker 6: tail end of his time in Tampa Bay. He's had

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Speaker 6: a top ten total defense and three of his last

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Speaker 6: four years in Buffalo he had a top.

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Speaker 7: Two scoring defense. And that's it.

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Speaker 2: Like thatly what matters.

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Speaker 6: I think he has the head coaching experience he's been

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Speaker 6: in the league since two thousand and three as a coordinator,

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Speaker 6: as his overall experience in the league goes back further

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Speaker 6: than that, you'd have skins on the wall, you have experience,

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Speaker 6: you'd have a respective voice in that locker room too.

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Speaker 7: I think he would be a hell of a DC higher.

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Speaker 3: If we were going to hire a former head coach guy,

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Speaker 3: I would have done the Pete Carroll one. I would

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Speaker 3: have Pete Carroll is absolutely if we're talking head coach, yeah,

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Speaker 3: and and and but the thing about with Leslie, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you could potentially the defensive coordinator spot seems to work out.

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Speaker 3: Another quiet guy, calmdemeanor. Uh, has a lot of respect

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Speaker 3: in the league.

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Speaker 14: Uh.

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Speaker 3: You know, I think there's a there's positives with him

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Speaker 3: that I think the experience. I think that you know,

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Speaker 3: he he happened to spend the last year in Seattle

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Speaker 3: with a really dynamic defensive coordinator there. If you start

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Speaker 3: to talk about, you know, with their head coach and

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Speaker 3: and what all they've done, So maybe he's picked up

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Speaker 3: on some things there. I'm always interested about these coaches,

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Speaker 3: those older coaches that go and work with somebody else

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Speaker 3: and kind of get some ideas of how to attack.

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Speaker 3: So as a defensive coordinator, I'd be I'd be more

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Speaker 3: than happy with him having the opportunity to to talk

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Speaker 3: with whoever is the head coach here.

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Speaker 4: I agree. I think he he's shown to have the

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Speaker 4: experience and again as the defensive coordinator. I don't know

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Speaker 4: if I necessarily would want him as a head coach.

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Speaker 4: And another thing, even though I'm more leaning towards like

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Speaker 4: I like the defensive minds better after what we've seen

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Speaker 4: with the offense here in Dallas, I'm like, Okay, is

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Speaker 4: it more important to have somebody with that offensive mindset

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Speaker 4: that knows better how to lead and what to do

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Speaker 4: when time management and when to throw a flag type

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Speaker 4: of stuff, challenger all those things like that to improve

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Speaker 4: this offense in general. But I I like Frasier. I

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Speaker 4: I think potentially he's more likely to land a DC

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Speaker 4: job rather than a head coach.

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Speaker 3: You know what, if you're gonna if you're gonna if

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Speaker 3: you're gonna hire Kellen or when they say, guys, listen

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Speaker 3: and you guys all know my relations We all have

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Speaker 3: a relationship with Mike Zimmer. We all know Mike Zam,

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Speaker 3: but he seems like the one guy that has a

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Speaker 3: plan for how to play Jane Daniels, you know what

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Speaker 3: I'm saying. I would kind of think about that a

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Speaker 3: little bit, you know, I would say, listen, this, this

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Speaker 3: looks like the future of our division is having to

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Speaker 3: deal with this guy every year now twice a year.

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Speaker 3: You know, how do you find a way to convince

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Speaker 3: Mike Zimmer to come back on staff and allow him

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Speaker 3: to do the things that he did say the last

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Speaker 3: ten weeks of that season.

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Speaker 5: Do you think do you think Mike is open to

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Speaker 5: the idea of coming back or is it a situation

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Speaker 5: where he really wants to just kind of.

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Speaker 3: I know he wanted I talked to him. He said

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Speaker 3: he wanted to be the head coach. That's not going

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Speaker 3: to happen. Yeah, I really did believe though they have

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Speaker 3: Cincinnati Bengals called about their defensive coordinator job, which this

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Speaker 3: Al Golden just got he was at Notre Dame. I

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Speaker 3: believe Mike would have gone back. His home in Kentucky

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Speaker 3: is only really like twenty minutes away from the facility

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Speaker 3: there in Cincinnati. I think he would have gone back

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Speaker 3: and been real happy. He loved working there. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: I you know, I I wish Jerry and Steven could

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Speaker 3: convince him, But I don't know if his heart's completely

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Speaker 3: into it. Yeah, and I think that's where you know,

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Speaker 3: just hey, thank you for what you did. You bridged

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Speaker 3: a gap, you know, Uh so yeah, it uh you know,

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Speaker 3: it's it's it's unfortunate that they didn't have the success

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Speaker 3: early as they did late. I think it might have

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Speaker 3: been a different story here then.

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Speaker 16: Yeah.

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00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 5: I think most fans, at least the fans I've talked to,

878
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 5: seem to be okay with the idea of Zember one

879
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 5: back coming back and wanting him to come back. Now,

880
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 5: I just don't know if that's something that that Mike wouldness.

881
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 3: Well, no, and that's yeah. The thing about it is,

882
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 3: it's it's kind of crazy because you know, Mike and

883
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 3: his staff did a really good job. They got Massie

884
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 3: to play better, They got OsO Diggi Zua to play

885
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 3: at a very high level contract year, they got Golsta

886
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 3: played a really high year, a high you know effort

887
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 3: and all that. He took some rookie dudes, but they

888
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 3: did with Overshown and and and Micah Parsons. I mean

889
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 3: there was some man. They did some good things with

890
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 3: those guys. Several guys had correct they elevate and a

891
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 3: lot of those guys it was a contract year. You know,

892
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: they're playing for their jobs. But somebody coach those guys

893
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 3: up to be better than they were. And I think

894
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 3: you have to give that defensive staff some credit for

895
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 3: doing that, even if they don't, if none of them

896
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 3: come back, you know, tip of the cap for them,

897
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 3: for We've been waiting for years for Golston and Osen

898
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 3: those guys to play at a really high level, and

899
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 3: they achieved that with this coaching staff.

900
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 4: And Mike got he recently made comments about it when

901
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 4: talking about whether he wanted to have him back or not,

902
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 4: and he pointed out with dan Quinn how it was

903
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 4: with him that the first year the defense was good,

904
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 4: and how much better they wear that second year under

905
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 4: dan Quinn is so similar to this of like running

906
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 4: it back and seeing what a second year with the

907
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 4: same voice and the same type of leadership would be

908
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 4: like under Mike Zimmer and looking again at what he

909
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 4: was able to make despite all the injuries that occur

910
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 4: during the season and that second half of the season.

911
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 4: And I love the fact that he also recognized and

912
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 4: talked to the media pointed out like, yeah, I wish

913
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,240
Speaker 4: I would have started out a lot tougher from the beginning,

914
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 4: And he said he was kind of afraid of like

915
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 4: coming into this being new and just tapping on people's

916
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 4: toes and he and you know, I love hearing when

917
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 4: people say those things out loud and voice O over.

918
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 4: I don't I'm with you. I don't think he would

919
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 4: want to come back, but I would absolutely love.

920
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 7: To have him.

921
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,479
Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you something, Jeff Suguina the defensive line coach,

922
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 3: he might have found something there because he was probably

923
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 3: remember they interviewed Ron Rivera for the job, and Ron

924
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 3: was in Washington. Or they get Jeff Saguina from the

925
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 3: Gun from Washington, So probably Ron Rivera talking about, Hey,

926
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 3: I'll bring this guy along, and all of a sudden,

927
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 3: the Joneses are like, man, we need to research this guy.

928
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 3: And he so they did play better across the front,

929
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 3: and he might be he might have been, you know,

930
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 3: nothing against you know, aiden dirty who went and left.

931
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 3: But Jeff Kina got these guys. I would kind of

932
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 3: keep him like, hey, listen, just hang in there, hang

933
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 3: in there, because this guy might be the defensive line

934
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 3: coach you need. If he could get Mazi to play

935
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 3: better and these other guys to play better, maybe this

936
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 3: guy needs to be on the new staff coming in here. Well.

937
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 6: Greg ellis Canina from at least my interpretation was a

938
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 6: lot more influential with the interior guys. Yeah, when you

939
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 6: talk about Mazi oh so, even a little bit of Golston,

940
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 6: even though Golston kicked out by the end of the year,

941
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 6: and then ellis more so in so I would say, yeah,

942
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 6: you see what you got to bring back both of them.

943
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: Yeah.

944
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

945
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 5: Let's talk real quick about Brian Schottenheimer. What do you

946
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 5: expect from him or what do you like about him?

947
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 5: And what do you think would be a challenge of

948
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 5: hiring him?

949
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think a culture builder. I think that would

950
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 6: be the biggest plus for him. I think of all

951
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 6: the candidates on the board, he'd probably be the best

952
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 6: one in that category. As far as you know, is

953
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 6: he calling plays? That's the question I would have. And

954
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 6: if so, you know, just based on his resume, based

955
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 6: on the offenses that he's put out, whether it be

956
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 6: in Jacksonville's passing game coordinator, oh see in his time

957
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 6: and Seattle and some other stops.

958
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 7: Ran, I think this would you would.

959
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 6: Have to have some concerns about the offensive side of

960
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 6: the ball, but there would also be a lot of

961
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 6: consistency on the offensive side of the ball. I think

962
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 6: this would be kind of a situation where him and

963
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 6: Dak would build the offense together and what does that

964
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 6: look like at the end of the day.

965
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 7: We will have to figure that out.

966
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 6: But I think it's really dependent on who he would

967
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 6: hire as a DC or who the front office would.

968
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 7: Hire as a DC.

969
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think the thing about it is, I think

970
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: that he has I think his enthusiasm is really good,

971
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 3: and I think sometimes, you know, I'm saying, I'm saying

972
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 3: you need a raw rock coach because.

973
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 2: Raw rock coaches will get got get energy.

974
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they'll get you beat too. But but yeah,

975
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 3: but his his ability to relate to the players and

976
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 3: kind of understand what the players go through in a

977
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 3: daily basis. He's been here before. He understands the drill,

978
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 3: you know, probably works well with the you know, we'll

979
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 3: see what the personnel department as far as getting together

980
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: the players, because we've talked about it a bunch on

981
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 3: this show. As a head coach, you do have that

982
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 3: ability to affect how they they get players here. So

983
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 3: I would be you know, that would be I think

984
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 3: a good hire here. Now, if you're one of those

985
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 3: fans that I say this to you guys earlier, if

986
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 3: you're a fan of Dak Prescott and you hate this

987
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 3: higher Schottenheimer, shame on you, because this hire would be

988
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 3: about continuity. This would be about keeping things the same

989
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 3: way for Dak Prescott and C. D Lamb. That's what

990
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 3: it's about. So if you hate this higher and you're

991
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 3: a fan of Dak, then you're barking up the wrong

992
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 3: tree because they're that now they're trying to well, am

993
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 3: I am I right about you? That's what I'm saying

994
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 3: you you could get You could be a Dak fan

995
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 3: to be mad about the hiring, but they're trying to

996
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 3: help your guy. Now, you people that don't like Dak Prescott,

997
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: keep bitching because you know you could do that.

998
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 2: It's fair, it's fair. You can keeping that.

999
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 3: But if you're but if you're a fan of Dak,

1000
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 3: they're trying to make a higher with Brian Schottenheimer that

1001
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 3: will help Dak Prescott and C. D Lamb. So remember

1002
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 3: that when you start bitching about.

1003
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 4: Uh times at me.

1004
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: That's pretty good. All right, here's the deal.

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1006
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