Speaker 1: They Around the NFL podcast always goes for it on
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Speaker 1: Program Sunday Recap.
Speaker 2: And I am Dan Hanss and I have Greg Rosendal
Speaker 2: and Mark Sessler here.
Speaker 3: How are you boys feeling frisky?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 4: Greg and I spend a lot of time together today,
Speaker 4: as we do on these Sundays.
Speaker 5: Yes, I was well in the Thursday night recap. The
Speaker 5: bond not just because of our adopted team. We'll get
Speaker 5: to them later. Is this going stronger and strong? I
Speaker 5: know you don't like it. You want animosity. You try
Speaker 5: to bring us apart.
Speaker 4: It's a burgeoning issue for you.
Speaker 1: Dan.
Speaker 2: Let us Let me send me a photo of the
Speaker 2: two of you hanging out in a social setting and
Speaker 2: then I'll start.
Speaker 3: We are always I mean, I'm the same stuff.
Speaker 1: Fact that it is with you, as with the fact
Speaker 1: that you're of us.
Speaker 2: You can get along with each other at work should
Speaker 2: not be something that's celebrated or made for me to
Speaker 2: feel uncomfortable. I'm happy you guys like each other in
Speaker 2: the office. We can it's a change. Celebrate each other
Speaker 2: in any way we win.
Speaker 1: It's a change. I appreciate it. How is it a
Speaker 1: change to you?
Speaker 2: The change you want to see in the world. You
Speaker 2: know who said that, Mike Tyson, Well, Greg has said it.
Speaker 3: Multi. Yes, we're just pushing back on a little narrative.
Speaker 2: But you're the you made the narrative. I'm happy you
Speaker 2: guys are falling in love and agree with you.
Speaker 4: Sound absolutely thrilled with the development.
Speaker 2: There's nothing better than a positive a podcast where everyone
Speaker 2: agrees with everyone at all times. And if I have
Speaker 2: to be the guy that slides into this little bond,
Speaker 2: I will Wow.
Speaker 3: What a setup.
Speaker 2: As Razor ramone one said, I'm the bad guy. If
Speaker 2: I must be, I will be for our listeners. And
Speaker 2: you know the referee in Detroit, let's hear him browning.
Speaker 6: Offense number seven.
Speaker 5: I'm talking to.
Speaker 2: America here, and that's cool. He's talking to America on
Speaker 2: this podcast. We talked to the world. So yes, at
Speaker 2: least zero. I think it's I think it's great. I
Speaker 2: think it's great that you guys have this bond in
Speaker 2: year eleven. That's hitting a level that we hadn't seen before.
Speaker 4: It's an international bond.
Speaker 1: Speaking of international, we'll have an announcement coming up soon.
Speaker 1: Leave it there, Leave it there.
Speaker 5: I feel like our listeners could guess the general gist,
Speaker 5: but there are specifics.
Speaker 1: Just leave it sometimes, just leave it right.
Speaker 3: Leave it.
Speaker 1: You did the same thing on the Thursday show when
Speaker 1: Mark and I were like laughing about that thing.
Speaker 3: I don't even remember what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: You know the thing?
Speaker 4: Remember people have they've inquired where the giggles came from,
Speaker 4: and it's likest just let you let the.
Speaker 2: Let the thing in the air, all right, Week two Sunday,
Speaker 2: lots of football. I think we just got to get
Speaker 2: to it. Greg, you ready to get to it? Please,
Speaker 2: let's do it. Starting where we must start the game
Speaker 2: is actually in the same building where that referee had
Speaker 2: that little America quip.
Speaker 1: I wish I knew his name. I actually typed the officials.
Speaker 2: I said, I can get that for you. I tried
Speaker 2: to good luck because it just said on Twitter. I
Speaker 2: typed it in X excuse me the quote waiting for
Speaker 2: one tweet saying who the what the man's name was?
Speaker 4: Did you try Google?
Speaker 3: Did he try to pick that game book?
Speaker 1: That's waiting?
Speaker 4: The effort became too much.
Speaker 1: It was it was a search.
Speaker 4: After the was it reliable? Landscape of X didn't provide
Speaker 4: what you needed.
Speaker 3: Come on, I'm seeing I'm seeing Alex Kemp lead official.
Speaker 3: I like Alex Kemp.
Speaker 1: Camper has got a good personality. Back to ford Field.
Speaker 7: Hutchinson's back in the game for the Lions. Gino from
Speaker 7: the shotgun with Walker beside him. Three wide receivers in
Speaker 7: the game. Gino is Yorking, Yorking. Now he throws fourth time,
Speaker 7: it's wucking. Does he reach the ball across.
Speaker 1: Over by.
Speaker 3: Seyhawks?
Speaker 7: Tyler Lockett bt a little pants out into the right
Speaker 7: side plan reaches.
Speaker 3: The ball across the pilon.
Speaker 1: He scores.
Speaker 3: They're gonna check to be sure.
Speaker 4: But all you gotta do is get the ball across.
Speaker 8: The top of the pylon.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, and he touches it.
Speaker 3: He did it. He's good for a face.
Speaker 1: He did. We got here room, Gary, my heroes. It
Speaker 1: was worth hanging in. Well, we don't need that. That's
Speaker 1: what I do. All right.
Speaker 2: Here we go Steve Rabel and Dave Lyman with the
Speaker 2: call k I r Oh. The Seahawks almost let it
Speaker 2: slip away at ford Field, blowing a ten point fourth
Speaker 2: quarter lead, but they won the overtime coin toss, then
Speaker 2: won the game when Gino connected with Tyler Lockett, all
Speaker 2: reliable who connected with the pylon. Final score Seahawks thirty seven,
Speaker 2: Lions thirty one, Greggy, great back and forth affair and
Speaker 2: a huge lift for Seattle after we one's disappointment.
Speaker 5: An awesome game between these two teams for the second
Speaker 5: straight year. Was forty eight to forty five last year,
Speaker 5: this one just as exciting. And as much as I
Speaker 5: want to honk about Gino and we can a little later,
Speaker 5: I just think Tyler Lockett's one of those guys that
Speaker 5: is gonna be a legend in Seattle for the rest
Speaker 5: of his life. What is this his tenth year in
Speaker 5: the league. That he's a bigger deal to his team
Speaker 5: than you can possibly imagine. And to me, this was
Speaker 5: such a classic Tyler Locket game. He drawed, he drew
Speaker 5: a PI that led to a TD early and then
Speaker 5: twenty four to twenty one fourth quarter early Seahawks trailing
Speaker 5: third and ten, Big Spot twenty I'm sorry they were
Speaker 5: trailing by four at the time. Trailing by four third
Speaker 5: and ten, Big Spot need that first down. Lockett creates
Speaker 5: so much separation, wins early in the route, gets open
Speaker 5: for genial gets the first down. Very next play gets
Speaker 5: open immediately for Gino who drops it in the bucket
Speaker 5: on a beautiful touchdown pass. And then fast forward to
Speaker 5: overtime win and he needs someone to get open and
Speaker 5: make a play. It's Tyler Lockett, and so he doesn't
Speaker 5: jump off the box score. But it was such a
Speaker 5: smart veteran game by Gino, Lockett and DK Metcalf who
Speaker 5: was fighting through an injury to survive without their two
Speaker 5: starting tackles against this Lions team.
Speaker 4: So it's such a such a Week two type performance
Speaker 4: in general with the NFL, where there's this bounce back
Speaker 4: and we saw from Seattle and Gino looks like it
Speaker 4: played great. Like I have a question because my takeaway
Speaker 4: from watching the Lions against the Chiefs and the opener was, Wow,
Speaker 4: this defense is transformed.
Speaker 1: It's different.
Speaker 4: It's changed the secondary especially, and I'm looking at the numbers,
Speaker 4: say it's like, what happened to Detroit's secondary?
Speaker 1: Well, let's let Dan Campbell start by maybe addressing some
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 9: You know, we had our opportunities there again, man, take
Speaker 9: the turnovers away all of a sudden. Man, we're in
Speaker 9: control of that game like we should be. But Ultimately,
Speaker 9: you know what, they got the ball out. We didn't,
Speaker 9: and we put a tremendous amount of stress on our defense.
Speaker 9: You know when you do that, and we did. We
Speaker 9: had some man, you know, we we had some really
Speaker 9: good opportunities that we just didn't capitalize fro him. And look,
Speaker 9: I know it stings, and those guys are disappointed. I'm disappointed.
Speaker 9: The staff is. But my gosh, man, this is this
Speaker 9: is good. You know, we'll get a little humble pie
Speaker 9: here and we got a real good opponent coming in
Speaker 9: next week. And you know they they run it is good,
Speaker 9: if not better than those guys, and they have better weapons.
Speaker 5: I usually think Jan Campbell's pretty straightforward. That was not
Speaker 5: being straightforward his defense.
Speaker 1: He said it was good.
Speaker 5: His defense was bad. I think he's doing the thing.
Speaker 5: It's the Parcels thing too, and he once played for
Speaker 5: Parcels where you pump him up a little bit like
Speaker 5: the people that really need to hear it the negative stuff.
Speaker 5: You don't say it to him after a loss. It
Speaker 5: was on their defense. Yes, the offense turned it over.
Speaker 5: That was the difference in the game, because otherwise I
Speaker 5: think the lines could have put up fifty today. But
Speaker 5: the defense had one quarterback hit the entire game. That
Speaker 5: came on a play where Geno Smith thought that he
Speaker 5: had to take a sack no matter what, and it
Speaker 5: would have been the play that people remember Gino on
Speaker 5: this game for he played like fifty perfect snaps and
Speaker 5: then ran around and took a seventeen yard loss because
Speaker 5: he didn't want to stop the clock even though it
Speaker 5: was the two minute warning right before they gave the
Speaker 5: ball back to the lines late in regulation. That was
Speaker 5: the only time anyone touched Gino the whole game. And yes,
Speaker 5: Gino did a great job navigating the pocket. He got
Speaker 5: rid of the ball pretty well, but their pass rush
Speaker 5: was pretty much absent. The only play Aiden Hutchinson made
Speaker 5: was like a screen pass that he tipped. I mean,
Speaker 5: the Seahawks out schemed them. They could have had more
Speaker 5: points in this game, too, So neither defense covered themselves
Speaker 5: in glory in the lines and make any plays on defense.
Speaker 2: Gino referred to as the adversity killer after this game.
Speaker 2: And by the way, the opponent coming up next is
Speaker 2: the Atlanta Falcons, as a team that obviously loves to
Speaker 2: run the football.
Speaker 5: Did he just say they had bet the Atlanta Falcons
Speaker 5: had better skill players than the Seahawks.
Speaker 3: Weird, little weird.
Speaker 2: It's DK Metcalf who called Gino the adversity killer. So yeah,
Speaker 2: that was after all that disappointment in Week one to
Speaker 2: be able to rally back the way they did it
Speaker 2: and on the line side of the ball.
Speaker 1: The end of this game, because they.
Speaker 2: Had a pick six Jared Goff, I understand in this game,
Speaker 2: and how did they get back into the game.
Speaker 1: Take me through that right.
Speaker 5: So they were up by four as I was mentioning
Speaker 5: twenty one to seventeen going into the fourth quarter. The
Speaker 5: Seahawks end up ripping off two touchdowns and short or
Speaker 5: to the first of the pass from Lockett and then
Speaker 5: Goff on a throw that Campbell said was more of
Speaker 5: a indecisive route by the running back, which was Jamir Gibbs.
Speaker 5: I didn't see that. But injuries really did affect the Lions.
Speaker 5: They were without their left tackle, Taylor Decker, and for
Speaker 5: the most part that was fine, and then they lost
Speaker 5: David Montgomery in the game, who had a costly fumble too,
Speaker 5: and the Montgomery injury did hurt him because they had
Speaker 5: a bad pass protection play right before Goff through that
Speaker 5: interception where he took a sack and then he seemed
Speaker 5: a little spooked and got rid of the ball a
Speaker 5: little too quickly even though pressure wasn't there, and they
Speaker 5: blamed it on Gibbs, but I don't know, it just
Speaker 5: looked like a bad throw and kind of one of
Speaker 5: those GoF gets spooked. After that long interception streak ended,
Speaker 5: so their injuries mattered, and they also lost vy Tie,
Speaker 5: their offensive lineman to what did not look like a
Speaker 5: good injury during the game.
Speaker 3: So that was a couple key losses.
Speaker 4: And that's who they are. I mean, their offensive line
Speaker 4: is the core of I think one of the huge
Speaker 4: reasons that you know, up until today Jared Goff was
Speaker 4: without an interception. That streak is broken. That was very costly.
Speaker 4: Like I thought, I was sort of expecting Gibbs to
Speaker 4: make a leap in this game or soon, and it's
Speaker 4: like seven carries for seventeen yards on the ground. Is
Speaker 4: he just not fully there yet?
Speaker 5: They Yeah, they didn't really do much on the ground
Speaker 5: in general, but you can kind of see why they
Speaker 5: Like Gibbs also busted up Seattle on a couple of
Speaker 5: nice choice routes, Like I'm not that worried about him,
Speaker 5: but you saw why he was underground.
Speaker 3: I do want to give Pete Carroll just a little
Speaker 3: bit of juice though.
Speaker 5: Goes goes for a fourth down on that drive in
Speaker 5: the middle of in the middle of the third quarter
Speaker 5: in his own end is a second straight week we've
Speaker 5: seen some of these old coaches, including Pete going for
Speaker 5: it on fourth down. I think he knew his offense
Speaker 5: had to carry him today and then they went for it.
Speaker 2: And give Pete also some juice. Men's in his seventies
Speaker 2: now that intentional grounding that led to the I'm talking
Speaker 2: to America line.
Speaker 4: He was on fire.
Speaker 2: He was on fire, terrible, terrible, like a man forty
Speaker 2: years as junior. So Pete, It's a never ending flow
Speaker 2: of optimism and energy, very vivacious, extremely and a very
Speaker 2: nice win for the Seahawks and a tough one for
Speaker 2: Detroit who fall to one and one.
Speaker 5: I do want to hear Jaron Reed just quickly for
Speaker 5: you guys who in the locker room after the game
Speaker 5: was wearing a blue ski mat Chauncey Gardner Johnson, who's
Speaker 5: trying to make the blue ski mask a thing in Detroit,
Speaker 5: and all these fans who were so loud greg OL's
Speaker 5: and said it might have been the loudest stadium he's
Speaker 5: ever been in, especially when they made that comeback. A
Speaker 5: lot of people show up with the blue ski mask,
Speaker 5: but Jaron Reid brings it out in the locker room.
Speaker 1: That's the risk for the listeners is a dance.
Speaker 2: There's a huge dance in the locker room and Jaren
Speaker 2: Reid's got the mask on.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I didn't like the premise of it, which was Gardner
Speaker 2: Johnson said, you know our defense, you know we're villains
Speaker 2: or something like that, so let's lean into it.
Speaker 1: I don't look at the.
Speaker 2: Lines of villains in any way, even if you want
Speaker 2: to be the bad boys. I like them as a heartwarming,
Speaker 2: lovable group, so I'm fine with the blue mask going away.
Speaker 1: It's not my thing.
Speaker 3: Today.
Speaker 4: They robbed their own offense, so that's not how crime works.
Speaker 4: If you're a smart criminal, well.
Speaker 1: You got to move on from there because there's no
Speaker 1: coming back.
Speaker 4: I think I should maybe, maybe I should move on
Speaker 4: from the whole evening After.
Speaker 2: That, Jim Nance had some howlers today where just some
Speaker 2: different play on words. Where Nance is I think he's
Speaker 2: just leaning into certain elements of his play by play.
Speaker 1: That just ground the Hotel cast to a halt.
Speaker 4: It's very concerning to me that the first place you
Speaker 4: went after my hideous comment was a jim Nance parallel.
Speaker 4: That's not a good trajectory.
Speaker 1: Let's head to Atlanta, then you'll like this better.
Speaker 10: Ball at the seven coup to try the field goal
Speaker 10: to give Atlanta the lead, and the crowd is cooing,
Speaker 10: which has become kind of the norm here in Atlanta.
Speaker 10: And this will be right at twenty six yards. He's
Speaker 10: hit already today from twenty four to thirty three and
Speaker 10: thirty nine. That's going to put it right on the fifteen,
Speaker 10: so it'll be twenty five yards. Pinion to hold McCullough
Speaker 10: to snap on the left, Ash young wife for the lead.
Speaker 3: Snap spot kick is.
Speaker 10: Up and it is perfect, and Atlanta's in front with
Speaker 10: fifty seven suckets left.
Speaker 1: Okay, West there with the call is ZGC.
Speaker 4: Try to contain yourself there on the radio call?
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe maybe okay.
Speaker 2: Bjon Robinson ripped off a seven yard run on fourth
Speaker 2: and one.
Speaker 1: That's set up who's twenty five.
Speaker 2: Yarder with less than a minute to play, and the
Speaker 2: Falcons rally for a twenty five to twenty four win
Speaker 2: over the undermanned Packer is at the big Benz. I
Speaker 2: call it that mark. It appears as if Bijeon or
Speaker 2: Beajean is the immediate difference maker. We all expected him
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 4: Looks great through the offense, having a lot of up
Speaker 4: and down moments over the last two weeks. It's not
Speaker 4: ever been anything but consistency from bejeon Robinson, and he
Speaker 4: is in. I think his role just grows weekly. It's
Speaker 4: inevitable that we see less of anyone else from the backfield.
Speaker 4: He's just that powerful. I mean, I want to mention
Speaker 4: how we got to that moment though that kick, because
Speaker 4: I thought the Falcons two thirds of the way through
Speaker 4: this game, I was sort of imagining this show and
Speaker 4: mentioned to Greg that I thought we probably gonna get
Speaker 4: Verbally last we.
Speaker 5: Were nervous in theory at about this Falcons. We were
Speaker 5: nervous about what big old mean bully Dan was gonna
Speaker 5: do to us, and there was reason for it.
Speaker 1: It's terrible. You guys have a bad attitude.
Speaker 4: Okay, that separate, separate of this this having this conversation again,
Speaker 4: separate oft that the Falcons were not looking like the
Speaker 4: hype machine that we had been discussing over the past
Speaker 4: couple of weeks. Desmond Rider really up and down, and
Speaker 4: it's just like they weren't the some of their parts.
Speaker 4: I thought they grew up today a little bit. They evolved,
Speaker 4: and it has a lot to do with Arthur Smith
Speaker 4: for me. They were down twelve points in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 4: They reel off thirteen consecutive scored on their final four possessions,
Speaker 4: and part of it is, you know, they're down twenty
Speaker 4: four to twenty two just before the two minute warning
Speaker 4: and they're at that fourth and inches situation, and a
Speaker 4: lesser coach might say, let's just co the go field
Speaker 4: goal here. Instead, Arthur Smith does not want to give
Speaker 4: the ball back to Green Bay on fourth and gency
Speaker 4: dials up that Bejon Robinson run. Previously in the game
Speaker 4: when they were down twenty four to twelve, they had
Speaker 4: a fourth and four from the Packers six. Again, he's like,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna trust my offense and on that play Desmond
Speaker 4: Ridder rolled out ran into the end zone for a score.
Speaker 4: So it's like Arthur Smith foot on the gas over
Speaker 4: and over, trusting his skilled position players to grow up,
Speaker 4: and that move to have Robinson do that milk that
Speaker 4: clock down, and it put Jordan Love, who have a
Speaker 4: really particularly great game today in general, into a tough spot.
Speaker 4: He laid about a minute to operate after that and
Speaker 4: looked lost like that. The Packers offense couldn't do anything
Speaker 4: at that point and Atlanta completed the comeback. And there's
Speaker 4: a lot to say about the Packers' young receivers, about
Speaker 4: the ups and downs with Desmond Ridder about in general,
Speaker 4: I think where this Falcons offense is, but I kind
Speaker 4: of love that. I think what Arthur Smith is building
Speaker 4: is coming into focus to some degree. This would have
Speaker 4: been an easy one had that final like twenty minutes
Speaker 4: of the game game gone differently to be like the
Speaker 4: Falcons are half baked. I think they grew today.
Speaker 5: This is the recipe. Now they should get this win
Speaker 5: at home when the Packers don't have David Baktiari, which
Speaker 5: is that was surprising, Aaron Jones not there, Christian Watson
Speaker 5: not there, Elton Jenkins leaves during the game. So you
Speaker 5: could argue that's their four best players on offense, unless
Speaker 5: you want to throw Jordan Levin as one of their
Speaker 5: best players on offense. But they also did exactly what
Speaker 5: the Falcons are supposed to do. They dominated this game
Speaker 5: in the line of screwers. Four hundred and forty six
Speaker 5: yards to two twenty four. That's the profile of a
Speaker 5: game that's not close. Seventy eight plays to forty seven.
Speaker 5: That's them wearing down. And so maybe it's not that surprising.
Speaker 5: They had a fourth quarter, so maybe this game shouldn't
Speaker 5: have been as close. But you still see what the
Speaker 5: Falcons is.
Speaker 4: Forty five carries, four point seven yards per rush.
Speaker 1: There's progress here.
Speaker 2: I thought it was kind of a bad game plan
Speaker 2: last week and Smith was defensive about it, and now
Speaker 2: it makes more sense. Here's Jean Robinson. He's leading the
Speaker 2: game and team and carries that make sense. He has
Speaker 2: twenty three touches. That's you're going in or twenty two touches.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, twenty three touches that's going in for one
Speaker 2: seventy two right direction. Kyle Pitts still lives somewhere, but
Speaker 2: not on this roster. But you've got Drake London more involved.
Speaker 2: The seven targets. He edded a touchdown. Just you know,
Speaker 2: I'll have to watch the game, but I know Ritter
Speaker 2: started very poorly and depending on you know, who's watching
Speaker 2: the game and how you want to see it. I
Speaker 2: was I was reading that there could have been many
Speaker 2: more potential turnovers for Ritter if the bounces go against Atlanta.
Speaker 1: But I'm not here to ran on the parade. You
Speaker 1: guys watch it. No, No, I.
Speaker 4: Think I think Ritter is the parade stopper. If you
Speaker 4: don't get he threw, you know, he threw his first
Speaker 4: career interception today. He also threw a pass right into
Speaker 4: the arms of quay Walker that like, quay Walker's gonna
Speaker 4: be thinking about that all week. He should not have
Speaker 4: dropped it. He should have had three picks. He is
Speaker 4: really inconsistent throwing the ball deep, but he did. They did.
Speaker 4: Arthur Smith kept trying and he had a couple of
Speaker 4: deep connections that made a difference in this game. But
Speaker 4: you're kind of riding that ridder wave. I'm not sort
Speaker 4: of selling him as the light bulb and this operation.
Speaker 2: This was nice though, I mean it's a it's a
Speaker 2: comeback victory. I think this team is built to play
Speaker 2: from ahead. All teams are, but this team especially. That
Speaker 2: would be my only concern around Atlanta because I think
Speaker 2: this running game, I think we all know is for
Speaker 2: real and if the defense can play at a certain level.
Speaker 2: I don't know if this was a real test in
Speaker 2: Week one in Week two because Green Bay was so
Speaker 2: banged up the Panthers in Week one, I don't know
Speaker 2: about their defense yet. But this has been a two
Speaker 2: and oh though. Yeah, you can't take that away. That's
Speaker 2: a you can't start any better.
Speaker 5: It's been a perfect setup to start this season. Two
Speaker 5: home games like this, where you get the Panthers the
Speaker 5: first week and then the Packers I think are a
Speaker 5: tough opponent, but with the injuries that they had.
Speaker 2: The David Bactiari situation for the Packers which has been
Speaker 2: ongoing for years now, literally years, and we were trying
Speaker 2: to decipher it Gregie at the end of the summer
Speaker 2: leading into the season, and then we thought maybe veteran
Speaker 2: rest days actually did mean that it was just a
Speaker 2: veteran restae because then he played last week this week
Speaker 2: not around and and now Lafloor adds a little more
Speaker 2: context to it, and you realize, really what the Packers
Speaker 2: are up against with one of their most important players.
Speaker 11: You're gonna know, I mean, we all know that Dave's
Speaker 11: been dealing with this and so no, so.
Speaker 9: It could just be a thing where he doesn't play anything.
Speaker 11: You guys, I'm not going to get into that, Mike.
Speaker 11: We all know this has been this is two years now,
Speaker 11: so I'm not going to get into it. It's probably
Speaker 11: gonna be like this from here on out.
Speaker 3: Mhm.
Speaker 1: He was.
Speaker 2: He was being asked if doctor doesn't play on artificial turf. Now,
Speaker 2: if that's going to be and maybe it's only at
Speaker 2: home games at Lambeau and road games on grass.
Speaker 1: We'll see.
Speaker 2: Obviously it's tender situation. Let's uh any other thoughts on
Speaker 2: the game. I would just say that when you're yes,
Speaker 2: you were without those guys. But Jaden Reid really nice
Speaker 2: game today, two touchdowns, Dontavian Wicks making big plays. It's
Speaker 2: like they're just so young that like David BAKTIERI feels
Speaker 2: from like eight years ago to me. I know he's
Speaker 2: so important to them, but it's like they are growing
Speaker 2: this young offense. And I thought that Jordan Love like
Speaker 2: after two games, I'm sold, like this guy can play.
Speaker 2: I mean, they they kind of fizzled out over the
Speaker 2: final three drives. That didn't That wasn't a great look.
Speaker 2: But like Jordan Love was making plays all over the place.
Speaker 2: I think we need to represent the Packers fan base
Speaker 2: here because behind the glass before we started, I was
Speaker 2: talking to Randy big Funk and.
Speaker 12: Yeah I was venting a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah he was pissed, and that's good. Tell me what
Speaker 2: you were What were you saying to me behind the glass.
Speaker 12: I said some things along the likes of Joe Barry
Speaker 12: should walk home, Yes, walk back to Wisconsin. There was
Speaker 12: a moment in the game that I think really stood
Speaker 12: out where Campbell are all pro linebacker lined up against
Speaker 12: John Robinson. It's like, you can't be making those kinds
Speaker 12: of calls that lay in the game against someone that explosive.
Speaker 12: And then also it was you know, it was really
Speaker 12: hard because A J. Dillon just he can't like go
Speaker 12: more than five yards or something without tripping somehow. And
Speaker 12: it's like, I get it. He's the big bruiser, he's
Speaker 12: the big truck.
Speaker 3: He's a good backup riding back.
Speaker 12: But yeah, but if he if he's try, if he's
Speaker 12: your truck, but your truck blows the tire every four yards,
Speaker 12: it's like it's frustrated.
Speaker 4: Got a problem, vehicle problem?
Speaker 12: You got a problem and the young guys look great,
Speaker 12: but and I mean it's that's that's saying one thing
Speaker 12: because everyone's young on that team. But I mean it
Speaker 12: was just it was tough man that and those two
Speaker 12: big interceptions that the guys they gotta get, you know, it's.
Speaker 4: The quay Walker one was just like that was tough
Speaker 4: sitting there.
Speaker 12: But Jai had a that a that's a touchdown, that's
Speaker 12: a pick six, And it's like, you can't if you're
Speaker 12: gonna talk all that and you're gonna you're gonna have
Speaker 12: that person you're gonna carry on the field, you gotta
Speaker 12: back it up. And it's i'mna be honest. He was
Speaker 12: getting cooked for a good part of this game by
Speaker 12: a lot of the receivers.
Speaker 5: Joe Berry is the potentially the off season sin though
Speaker 5: that sets this team back, because I was curious. This
Speaker 5: was like a early litmus test of is this Packers
Speaker 5: evens any different? Because they haven't stopped the run for
Speaker 5: three straight years. This is as tough a test as
Speaker 5: you can get, and in this game, no, they really
Speaker 5: weren't any different. They did not stop the run.
Speaker 2: Uh, let's head to the big Chlorian tank where the
Speaker 2: Chiefs are looking to get off the mat after a
Speaker 2: frustrating Week one loss.
Speaker 6: Third and three, Mahomes and the Chiefs at the Jaguar
Speaker 6: nine seven to six Kansas City eleven forty two to
Speaker 6: go third quarter, single back McKinnon in front of Mahomes
Speaker 6: this time snapped back to Mahomes rules to his right side,
Speaker 6: now throws.
Speaker 13: It for Kelsey wide opening the end zone.
Speaker 6: Touchdown Kansas City. The forty seventh time that Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 6: has found Travis Kelsey in the sweet nectar the end zone.
Speaker 6: That's an old time Kansas City Chiefs record quarterback to
Speaker 6: a pass catcher Kelsey's back.
Speaker 2: Bench Holdnis wdaf Kelsey caught that touchdwn pass. It was
Speaker 2: to go ahead and eventually game decide and score for
Speaker 2: the Chiefs, who don't really surge again for the second
Speaker 2: street wake on offense, but it was enough to take
Speaker 2: care of the Jacksonville Jaguar seventeen to nine in the
Speaker 2: rematch of the AFC Divisional playoffs last week. Boys, this game,
Speaker 2: I kept on waiting for it to achieve liftoff. Did
Speaker 2: it never really happened and Kansas City had three early
Speaker 2: turnovers in this game and the Jaguars had multiple opportunities
Speaker 2: on offense, including a first, first and goal situation where
Speaker 2: they couldn't punch it in, and in the end, it
Speaker 2: was one of those games where both head coaches are saying, man,
Speaker 2: I wish we would have played better, but one side
Speaker 2: gets to go home with the win, and it was
Speaker 2: the visitors from Kansas City.
Speaker 4: These Trevor Lawrence passes into the back of the end
Speaker 4: zone where Zay Jones like, you know, if you're half
Speaker 4: an inch two inches different in a different position, it's
Speaker 4: a touchdown. I think another one to Calvin Ridley's similar
Speaker 4: situations like this game came down to those plays. I
Speaker 4: thought for Jacksonville because I'm watching a Chiefs offense that
Speaker 4: is still waiting to get on track. It's nice to
Speaker 4: see sky Moore show up a little bit more. He
Speaker 4: played a ton of snaps las week and had zero production.
Speaker 4: Kadarius Tony caught all five targets. I guess that's a positive.
Speaker 4: Kelsey caught just four of nine, and he seems so
Speaker 4: steam during this game. They kept cutting a hint, just
Speaker 4: like freaking.
Speaker 1: Out on the flow.
Speaker 2: It should be said that everyone was steaming, because I
Speaker 2: believe it was around one hundred degrees kick off, saying
Speaker 2: more temperament right.
Speaker 1: Well, which could also lead to temperamate changes you.
Speaker 3: Want to Tokyo, it.
Speaker 2: Can really lead you to be more amped up and
Speaker 2: deal with frustrating. It's happened to us number our Draft
Speaker 2: live show. I mean, yeah, a lot of frustration on
Speaker 2: both sides of the ball. I want to point out
Speaker 2: also that the Chiefs, in addition to the three turnovers,
Speaker 2: had a ton of penalties in this game, twelve penalties
Speaker 2: for ninety four yards and a lot of players cramping
Speaker 2: on the field.
Speaker 1: I kind of hate that.
Speaker 2: Like you know, I grew up in the Northeast, Like
Speaker 2: football to me is the leaves falling and some crisp
Speaker 2: Christmas in the air.
Speaker 3: Also a week two that feels like it makes it
Speaker 3: even tougher.
Speaker 1: I think that.
Speaker 2: I think the weather and the element absolutely played it
Speaker 2: played it effect in these offenses struggling, and yeah, the
Speaker 2: Laurens side and the near misses, that's that's frustrating. On
Speaker 2: the positive side for one of the teams here, Chris
Speaker 2: Jones came back and had an immediate impact in this game,
Speaker 2: so you have you have him in the mix now.
Speaker 2: On the negative, side. For the Chiefs, you have Juwan Taylor,
Speaker 2: who started his career with the Jaguars. His homecoming was terrible.
Speaker 2: He was penalized five times bench t verse series, flagged
Speaker 2: twice for fall wow, once for an illegal formation, and
Speaker 2: twice for holding. So it's just it's just not even there.
Speaker 2: The whole game was a little bit like man like a.
Speaker 3: Tough spot for the number one overall picking our draft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, zeusters, I was I was waiting for this game
Speaker 2: to take off.
Speaker 1: It just couldn't couldn't get it.
Speaker 2: And even Iron Eagle, the normally dependable Iron Eagle, after
Speaker 2: the Kelsey touchdown, he is quote Kelsey finds a blank
Speaker 2: space for the score, referring to the Taylor Swiss. And
Speaker 2: I'm just like, at this point, it's already. I know
Speaker 2: there's a relations and ship versioning here. Go deeper in
Speaker 2: the catalog for me.
Speaker 1: I don't if you want to impress me, ah, go
Speaker 1: a little deeper.
Speaker 3: Than you want to. You want people to get the joke.
Speaker 1: No, you don't. You want to go so deep that
Speaker 1: only the real ones get. No, that's my take.
Speaker 4: I don't know if Iron Eagle would.
Speaker 1: Be the bad beat by Eagle. He's a swifty pot.
Speaker 4: He does well, he does very well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, And if Kelsey's knee is still bothering him,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't know because he punted the ball into the
Speaker 2: end from the end zone in celebration. He but only
Speaker 2: four catches on nine targets or twenty six yards.
Speaker 3: So missed opportunity.
Speaker 4: Is watching Chiefs games now, Sorry, Gregley.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I haven't really done the necessary deep dive if this
Speaker 2: is even a real thing.
Speaker 4: Okay, So I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't think anyone really knows. Even Jason Kelsey was
Speaker 5: asked about it and he was not going to be talking.
Speaker 3: It's a missed opportunity.
Speaker 5: Jaguars could have put the Chiefs head oz in two,
Speaker 5: could have had a tie breaker, could have been two
Speaker 5: games up on the Chiefs, and held the Chiefs to
Speaker 5: seventeen points. It's only seven times in the Mahomes era
Speaker 5: that they've scored seventeen points or less.
Speaker 3: And you don't even get a touchdown. You're an offensive team.
Speaker 2: It's a good ball, and it's in your building, and
Speaker 2: you circled it as a revenge game after the playoffs,
Speaker 2: and you have the Chiefs still finding themselves This is
Speaker 2: when you want to get to catch the Chiefs and
Speaker 2: you didn't. So yeah, not a good performance by the Jaguars,
Speaker 2: who only had two hundred and seventy one total yards
Speaker 2: in the game. All right, let's take a break and
Speaker 2: then we'll welcome in our weekly guest. All right, welcome back.
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Speaker 4: Pat mccards.
Speaker 14: Edwards to the backfield, Lamar Jackson under center, third down
Speaker 14: and three or third down and ball game.
Speaker 1: Give us to Edwards up the middle.
Speaker 4: He's got a hole, he's got a first down.
Speaker 10: I'm with one ten left of playing Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: He's in the barn. There it is, and the Ravens.
Speaker 10: Will pick up win number two in the twenty twenty
Speaker 10: three season. I think this isn't Eddy Bingals fans the
Speaker 10: hazes in the barn and they are going to find
Speaker 10: their horses.
Speaker 3: John Harbaugh was pumped on the sideline.
Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, Rod Woodson, and they are going find their horses.
Speaker 2: Jerry Sandusky and Woodson with a call Ravens Radio. Yes,
Speaker 2: the big first down conversion by Gus Edwards and Lamar
Speaker 2: Jackson again looking like the MVP the Ravens need him
Speaker 2: to be this season. He threw two touchdown passes, repeatedly
Speaker 2: extended drives with his legs, and Baltimore topped the still
Speaker 2: slumbering Bengals twenty seven to twenty four.
Speaker 1: Let's now welcome in.
Speaker 2: The great Nick Shook, who looks like a man that's
Speaker 2: as pumped up as John Harbaugh was on the sideline
Speaker 2: after that first down.
Speaker 4: There it is.
Speaker 15: I'm still trying to find my horse. Where is it?
Speaker 15: What kind of thoroughbread do I have? Is it an Arabian?
Speaker 15: Get a quarter horse?
Speaker 1: Horses?
Speaker 5: Apple Loosa in Rod Woodson like the head coach in
Speaker 5: one of those spring weeks year.
Speaker 2: I guess they're still doing that. Yeah, still doing Okay?
Speaker 2: What do you got, Nick? What were your thought? Let's
Speaker 2: start with Lamar who did not look very good in
Speaker 2: Week one. The offense was a little sleepy for Baltimore.
Speaker 2: But this was much more like it, wasn't it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 15: He looked better this week. This offense is starting to
Speaker 15: find its footing with him because you know, new offensive coordinator,
Speaker 15: new system and everything else. He had a couple of
Speaker 15: really nice passes downfield. He also had a couple of misses,
Speaker 15: but what I like most about him was that he
Speaker 15: was able to continue to extend drives, especially in key moments,
Speaker 15: and when he lost guys like Odell Beckham who exited
Speaker 15: the game, he went to Devin Duvernet. Well, he tried
Speaker 15: to go to Devin Dubernet, didn't actual complete a pass,
Speaker 15: but he did go to Nelson Agalor a lot. He
Speaker 15: actually ended up leading them in receipt in receptions with five.
Speaker 15: Spread it around. The offense moved well, the run game
Speaker 15: was balanced among their running backs. It just looked like
Speaker 15: an offense that's taking that next step under a new coordinator,
Speaker 15: and it was really nice to see. But conversely, the
Speaker 15: team they were playing, it took them six quarters the
Speaker 15: seventh quarter of the season to finally score touchdowns, so
Speaker 15: they were operating with a bit of an advantage in
Speaker 15: this game. But I was more impressed by the Ravens
Speaker 15: and Lamar Jackson this week certainly than I was last week.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're zero and two again. The Bengals. We were
Speaker 4: here a year ago, but a year ago they had
Speaker 4: five more points per game at this point, nearly one
Speaker 4: hundred more yards per game, they were far better on
Speaker 4: third down. Joe Burrow is averaging point five to six
Speaker 4: Fantasy points on vertical passes. Like I guess it's just like, Oh,
Speaker 4: they're the Bengals, just like the Bills and the Chiefs.
Speaker 4: They're a little funky right now, but they're gonna get
Speaker 4: right or is there real concern here? Are they even
Speaker 4: like the where would you rank him in the AFC North.
Speaker 15: Oh Man, Well, considering we haven't seen the Steelers in
Speaker 15: Brown's play this week yet, they're third, if not fourth.
Speaker 15: It's the offense just has not gotten out of first gear.
Speaker 15: And you could tell in the second half of this game,
Speaker 15: really the end of the first half and going to
Speaker 15: the second half that Zach Taylor realized, Look, I got
Speaker 15: to like start from the first step, from the ground
Speaker 15: level here. We're rebuilding this entire offense right now because
Speaker 15: we cannot do what we did well in the last
Speaker 15: week years. So we're just gonna dink and dunk. We're
Speaker 15: gonna get Joe Burrow into a rhythm, connect with some
Speaker 15: guys underneath, run some deep digs just beyond the sticks,
Speaker 15: and then maybe we can open it up. They never
Speaker 15: really opened it up because it was never there, and
Speaker 15: they just don't look comfortable as an offense and as
Speaker 15: a whole. I mean, fans are booing them in the
Speaker 15: first half of this game Sunday because at one point
Speaker 15: they had zero first downs, they'd run twelve plays, they
Speaker 15: were I think time of possession was four minutes early
Speaker 15: in the second quarter. Their only offensive touchdown prior to
Speaker 15: the second half was a punt return touch that was
Speaker 15: our first touchdown of year as a punt return. Kearlie
Speaker 15: Jones shut up perdue. So not not a good situation
Speaker 15: for them right now. They did get a little bit better.
Speaker 2: They got better and t Higgins got on the board
Speaker 2: with two touchdowns, so that's a start after getting shout
Speaker 2: out yesterday. But to me, the biggest storyline coming out
Speaker 2: of the game for the Bengals, even beyond the final score,
Speaker 2: is that Burrow limps off the field after their last
Speaker 2: possession with aggravated the same calf injury that took out
Speaker 2: his training camp.
Speaker 1: And now we're in the middle of it. We're we're
Speaker 1: in the middle of the season.
Speaker 2: Now we're they're gonna be entering week three zero and two,
Speaker 2: and Burrow's saying if they would have had a chance
Speaker 2: to get back on the field.
Speaker 1: I would have been out there.
Speaker 2: But this is a really big concern shook and we
Speaker 2: just saw a superstar quarterback below his achilles in week one.
Speaker 2: Like the fact that Burrow is dealing with a calf
Speaker 2: and going to try to play through it, it just
Speaker 2: gets you nervous.
Speaker 15: Yeah, and Rogers had a lot more time to heal
Speaker 15: from that calf injury than Burrow got. So it is
Speaker 15: without a doubt concerning and it's calves are kind of
Speaker 15: I'm not a doctor, but calves are kind of like hamstrings,
Speaker 15: and that they can be nagging and that they can
Speaker 15: be an issue throughout the season. If he's limping in
Speaker 15: week two, I'm not feeling great about that right now.
Speaker 15: And if that's part of what's wrong with this offense,
Speaker 15: then that kind of makes sense because they have too
Speaker 15: much talent to be operating this way. I do, though,
Speaker 15: feel a lot better about where they're headed based on
Speaker 15: what they played, how they played in the second half.
Speaker 15: Then I wasn't halftime today. But if this is injury's
Speaker 15: gonna be a consistent problem, then you have to lower
Speaker 15: your expectations for this team as a whole.
Speaker 4: Why he was in one of those theory guns on
Speaker 4: his calf there on the sideline.
Speaker 15: Yeah, kind of waiting it up there.
Speaker 5: I think his mobility was an issue last week, but
Speaker 5: you know, the rain maybe is part of that. I'll
Speaker 5: be anxious to watch it here because he's a different
Speaker 5: player if he can't move. I mean, he he's a
Speaker 5: guy who wants to get rid of the ball quickly.
Speaker 5: But his superpower is he's so good at that. Plus
Speaker 5: he can extend and make the players when he needs to.
Speaker 5: What fascinating me, And tell me if you can just
Speaker 5: see anything different here, shok is that Lamar got rid
Speaker 5: of the ball in two point six seconds so far,
Speaker 5: a career low through two games where he's getting the
Speaker 5: ball out faster. And I think it's telling that Agilar
Speaker 5: was like their fourth or fifth receiver, and then he
Speaker 5: comes in and is solid enough like in the previous
Speaker 5: years he would have been the first receiver.
Speaker 3: It just from the beginning.
Speaker 5: So they actually have guys that can come in that
Speaker 5: that are okay when they inevitably suffer Odell Beckham or
Speaker 5: their receiver injuries.
Speaker 15: Yeah, that's what I really like about this offense is
Speaker 15: they have surprising depth of receivers so much that when
Speaker 15: DeAndre Hopkins became available in the offseason and people try
Speaker 15: to pair him at the Ravens, I'm like, look at
Speaker 15: their death chart. They've got a lot of guys there already.
Speaker 15: I think it's a little crowded, and that crowded room
Speaker 15: benefited them today. But you know what really worked more
Speaker 15: than anything, Greg, was you talking about quick passes. It
Speaker 15: was everything over the middle. It was just crossers, underneath stuff.
Speaker 15: Just you wun't talk about getting somebody into a rhythm.
Speaker 15: That was Lamar Jackson. He was finding different guys over
Speaker 15: the middle of all game. He took some shots, but
Speaker 15: it wasn't super prevalent. He didn't even have to extend
Speaker 15: the play all that much, except in some key moments
Speaker 15: where he had to scramble away from the rush to
Speaker 15: pick up a first down. So I really like the
Speaker 15: rhythm they got into, and I think that they can
Speaker 15: be a better passing offense than they've been into Lamar
Speaker 15: Jackson arrow. I'm not saying that's a five thousand yard
Speaker 15: season for him, but it offers more potential than we've
Speaker 15: seen from them to this point in his career.
Speaker 2: And let me just throw it out there Odell Beckham, Yes,
Speaker 2: as we mentioned, did go out with an ankle.
Speaker 1: It's not believed to be serious.
Speaker 2: But again, he's a guy that's missed a lot of
Speaker 2: time in the last couple of years and it's something
Speaker 2: to watch. And Burrow said he'd have to see how
Speaker 2: his CAF feels over the next two days before knowing
Speaker 2: whether it will affect his availability. Yikes. That was the
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Speaker 1: Let's head to Mile High with shookey.
Speaker 16: Now Washee, you could still win the game right here,
Speaker 16: time o'clock. The Pros have to convert a two point
Speaker 16: conversion to send it to overtime drama.
Speaker 1: Sessler a fifty yard touchdown. Let's go. Maybe it will
Speaker 1: end differently than when I watched the.
Speaker 17: Snack play action steps up, throws towards the towards Cornland Sutton.
Speaker 18: Incomplete the Flags game over Washington.
Speaker 1: Wait thirty three should have been pleased.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, this was ald one.
Speaker 2: Well, the game itself, it's I trust our producer implicitly,
Speaker 2: but it's it's about the team.
Speaker 1: Did the team have the moment they needed.
Speaker 2: We're about to talk about it, Rad Weinstein, London Fletcher
Speaker 2: Wbig with the call Sessler's not about it. Russell Wilson
Speaker 2: connected on a Hail Mary touchdown to Brandon Johnson's time
Speaker 2: ran out. But that two point conversion type you just
Speaker 2: heard incomplete the crushing end for Denver and a heart
Speaker 2: stopping thirty five thirty three win for the Commanders at
Speaker 2: Mile High shook. I ask you as a fan, okay,
Speaker 2: and I know you're gonna be oh brownsed out tomorrow
Speaker 2: Monday night.
Speaker 1: I'm so bitter becaus my Monday night. What is wrong
Speaker 1: with you?
Speaker 2: Put yourself in the shoes of Broncos Nation. Would you
Speaker 2: rather convert that Hill Mary and then miss the two
Speaker 2: pointer with a missed DPI to boot brutal or never
Speaker 2: see it get to that moment at all?
Speaker 1: As a fan? What would you rather have there?
Speaker 15: Never see it get to that name? And I can
Speaker 15: totally with you, of course.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 15: The first example, since you you know you're gonna paint
Speaker 15: me to that Browns corner. I was at Browns Ravens
Speaker 15: twenty fifteen Monday Night football when they had their game
Speaker 15: winning field goal attempt returned for a touchdown.
Speaker 1: Ouchers, I remember that one.
Speaker 15: I've been there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, toughy, tough sitch your thoughts on this game. So yeah,
Speaker 2: the the the Broncos getting it to that point was
Speaker 2: a miracle because this is a game after a quick
Speaker 2: start for Denver, Washington had total control of before or
Speaker 2: when Mayhem trying to like break down like this game
Speaker 2: because it was kind of all over the place.
Speaker 15: Okay, So Russell Wilson and Sean Payton discovered that they
Speaker 15: could hit the deep ball, and Marvin Mims was their
Speaker 15: guy in this game. Sixty yard touchdown pass, just a majestic,
Speaker 15: beautiful throw, and I'm like, Russell Wilson's unlocked. They can't
Speaker 15: go deep. Everything's great. They fell in love with that
Speaker 15: deep ball. They were up twenty one to three, and
Speaker 15: it felt like Russell got a taste of just what
Speaker 15: is so delicious in scoring big play touchdowns and being
Speaker 15: the star and forgot how to operate the offense in
Speaker 15: the intermedia in short levels because also this processing slowed down.
Speaker 15: He didn't look like the market. This is not the
Speaker 15: defense that you necessarily want to try and take a
Speaker 15: million shots on because their front is so good, Like
Speaker 15: you have to give Washington a ton of credit two
Speaker 15: games in a row where they've done a great job
Speaker 15: up front, But I mean Russell Wilson was a different
Speaker 15: quarterback from half one to half two, and really quarter one,
Speaker 15: early quarter two into half two. They blew it, straight
Speaker 15: up blew this opportunity in my opinion, because of the
Speaker 15: way their offense just ground to a halt in the
Speaker 15: second half, and then they struggle in the red zone
Speaker 15: prior to that final possession which they hit that hail
Speaker 15: Mary and had to settle for three. I'm seeing shades
Speaker 15: and Nathaniel Hackett. And then finally on the two point conversion,
Speaker 15: you know what Russell Wilson did. He misses a crossing
Speaker 15: Jerry Judy open on the left side of the field,
Speaker 15: just like he missed a crossing kJ Handler in that
Speaker 15: game against the Colts in prime.
Speaker 2: Nathaniel Hackett, thanks, nice to see you out here.
Speaker 15: I not nice to see this offense.
Speaker 5: I'm defending the honor of the bongos here. If you
Speaker 5: give a game where one team is up twenty one
Speaker 5: to three, where Russell Wilson has multiple bombs, including one
Speaker 5: of the wildest hail mary's we've ever seen, I mean
Speaker 5: that thing was a rain maker, got batted up by
Speaker 5: like three or four different players, then goes in uh
Speaker 5: and then you lose on the two point conversion after
Speaker 5: you made an eleven point come back in the last
Speaker 5: five minutes and Sean Payton's zero and two at home
Speaker 5: and in Denver. That feels bongo worthy. That's just like bonkers.
Speaker 5: That's what bongos are all about. Ever, I would never
Speaker 5: doubt that emailed them.
Speaker 4: I'm not openly doubted them. I could just I know
Speaker 4: what kind of games I like where the bongos come out.
Speaker 15: In my opinion, I have an argument against this. Most
Speaker 15: of those comebacks that you just described are explosive. There
Speaker 15: are tons of fireworks. It's thrilling. This moved at a
Speaker 15: glacial pace. It was dreadful the last six minutes. The
Speaker 15: anxiety was just building, the dread that the Broncos fans
Speaker 15: were gonna have to go home and process the fact
Speaker 15: that they watched their team blow in eighteen point lead.
Speaker 15: It was there, it was I could feel it through
Speaker 15: the TV. And then all of a sudden hail Mary
Speaker 15: where everybody's like, let's just leave, let's just get this
Speaker 15: over with. Oh my god, he caught it, well, they're
Speaker 15: probably not going to get the two. And then they
Speaker 15: didn't get the two.
Speaker 4: And the look on Sean Payton's face set a lot
Speaker 4: to me throughout the second half of this game. It
Speaker 4: just like it was like how many lemons can you ingest?
Speaker 4: I would say though, flip side like Washington because the
Speaker 4: career of Eric Beeenemy in Kansas City, it's like whatever
Speaker 4: they achieved, it's like, well, it wasn't really you, it's
Speaker 4: Andy Reid. Like this Washington offense with a quarterback that
Speaker 4: was completely untested coming into the season. This was a
Speaker 4: pretty great performance by Eric enemy.
Speaker 15: Yeah, very solid balance between the run and the past.
Speaker 15: Brian Robinson had a very great day. And you know what, guys,
Speaker 15: I owe Sam Allen Ron Rivera an apology because as
Speaker 15: you guys probably remember, maybe not, you do a lot
Speaker 15: of shows. You probably know we don't. We once to
Speaker 15: did a segment what has you shook? And I was
Speaker 15: shook about the fact that he was gonna roll with
Speaker 15: Sam Howe. I see why, now I see it. I
Speaker 15: am sold. I love the way this kid battles. He's
Speaker 15: a gamer, he's decisive, he's got Yeah, so there's the
Speaker 15: bongo juice right there. If that's a thing, that.
Speaker 1: Was disgusting, but it's a thing now you've said it,
Speaker 1: so now it's out there.
Speaker 3: Russ was holding on to the ball for a while.
Speaker 5: And I hate to put this too much on the
Speaker 5: offense because the Broncos defense has really been a problem
Speaker 5: in both of these games. I know the score wasn't
Speaker 5: high last week, but per drive, the Raiders put it
Speaker 5: to them and they were the problem here. But Russ
Speaker 5: did get hit fourteen times, seven sacks, four times that
Speaker 5: the Commanders got their hands on the ball. In terms
Speaker 5: of past defense passes deflected rather and so that's too much.
Speaker 5: You know a lot of teams. We got Young and
Speaker 5: Sweaty back. It's back Dan Chase Young is a thing.
Speaker 5: Montes sweat is definitely a thing.
Speaker 1: They converged.
Speaker 2: There's a great moment and Washington fans have been waiting
Speaker 2: for this and we're expecting a lot more of it.
Speaker 2: Quite frankly, in the last couple of years where on
Speaker 2: that penultimate drive for Denver flamed out and ended with
Speaker 2: a field goal. Young and Sweaty meet at Russell Wilson
Speaker 2: and there was a great shot by Fox of Young
Speaker 2: and sweaty like screaming at each other in excitement after
Speaker 2: the sack. As you see Russell Wilson in the background
Speaker 2: kind of pill himself off the turf and walk away.
Speaker 2: And it's like, that's what the Washington commanders need for
Speaker 2: this defense to be special. Those two guys in concert.
Speaker 2: Now here's the ultimate test mark. And I said, I
Speaker 2: set it up this way shook. As we say goodbye,
Speaker 2: Broncos fans, I'm going to play you the Denver radio
Speaker 2: call of the Hail Mary from Dave Logan and Rick
Speaker 2: Lewis KOA. If you don't want to hear it, because
Speaker 2: you wish in reality it never happened, you're gonna need
Speaker 2: to fast forward. What about thirty to forty five seconds? Eric, Yes,
Speaker 2: hit the fast forward button three times to be safe
Speaker 2: if you don't want to hear this, because I understand
Speaker 2: it can be triggering.
Speaker 1: Here it comes three.
Speaker 19: Seconds to go from the fifty down eight trying to
Speaker 19: get a free snap.
Speaker 1: Commanders don't jump off, they rush four.
Speaker 19: Rust on the pocket now bounces around.
Speaker 2: The ball, deflected, touched defer friend to Johnson, Oh.
Speaker 13: My lord, good googa moga.
Speaker 15: Was worth deflected it ap.
Speaker 5: To three and it was a great catch by Johnson
Speaker 5: to himself, to himself.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's a shame. It's a shame. You gotta you
Speaker 3: lose a game with that.
Speaker 1: Good Google Muga. Indeed, Chooky, thank you, buddy.
Speaker 15: I'm getting that printed on my wall in my house.
Speaker 2: Playa bongo juice, Google Muga.
Speaker 1: What a sag?
Speaker 2: All right, Choky, till next week. Let's keep on moving
Speaker 2: on to Nashville.
Speaker 20: The AAF got him back into the NFL, and now he's.
Speaker 14: Going for his thirteenth time game winning kick.
Speaker 3: It was the XFL right way lost this job.
Speaker 1: He talks to Snake House to hold and a kick.
Speaker 6: Yes, Ma, yes, yes, yes, a redemption of Ryan Tannehill.
Speaker 1: On a Sunday. It started Sonny ended with rain I
Speaker 1: love it. I gotta know Mark what he's upset about.
Speaker 4: It is a huge moment for a Titans team that
Speaker 4: looked dead.
Speaker 5: We can oh, there was a fifteen I saw it,
Speaker 5: so he was seventeen seconds away from kicking it.
Speaker 4: So we're having a casual XFL career history chat in
Speaker 4: the middle of the game call.
Speaker 3: But he hadn't end and kicked it yet. We were
Speaker 3: waiting for the kick, so I cut it a little short.
Speaker 18: He actually brings up that he was selling real estate
Speaker 18: last year too before that, So there you go.
Speaker 1: Don't tell Mark that you've got to be even more mad.
Speaker 4: It's not a personal issue with the person you're discussing.
Speaker 4: It's just like, you know, the showmanship nature of like
Speaker 4: talking over the game call.
Speaker 2: Sorry Dad, Mike Keith with the call wgf X. Would
Speaker 2: this have anything to do with the lock of this game?
Speaker 1: Mark?
Speaker 4: Perhaps I have something to say about that.
Speaker 2: Nick Foll kicked the forty one yard field all and
Speaker 2: overtime in a downpour that broke out at at the
Speaker 2: wrong time.
Speaker 1: Titans fans like mott owen, what are we doing over here? God?
Speaker 2: And the Titans beat the Chargers twenty seven to twenty four, Markie,
Speaker 2: The Titans got a three and out to start overtime,
Speaker 2: then drove for the game winner. Was very nice, especially
Speaker 2: after a week one's brutal disappointment. And yes, Tannehill having
Speaker 2: a big bounce back is a part of that.
Speaker 4: It is you know you mentioned Dan and I didn't
Speaker 4: really agree with your Herbert comments in terms of like
Speaker 4: who he is and who I think he is, but
Speaker 4: you are right about the fact that we're kind of
Speaker 4: missing large justin Herbert moments. This We're not that deep
Speaker 4: into his career, but like it's hard to find them,
Speaker 4: and you have to point to like, oh, maybe it's
Speaker 4: a Peyton Manning thing where these playoff wins and all
Speaker 4: this other stuff's canna happen. Like when they went to overtime,
Speaker 4: this was he can He directed a field goal drive
Speaker 4: at the end that tied it and put it in overtime.
Speaker 4: They get the ball first, and it's like a great,
Speaker 4: a great chance to erase what happened a week ago
Speaker 4: where where the pass rush against the Dolphins snuffed him
Speaker 4: out and it wasn't all Herbert's fault, but the whole
Speaker 4: thing fell apart. It's like, how about the whole entire team? Chargers,
Speaker 4: Like this is a team that's a good Titans defense,
Speaker 4: but you have no business going on too with the
Speaker 4: roster you have. You're in overtime, you get the ball,
Speaker 4: You're justin Herbert. Three straight in completions. They looked totally lost,
Speaker 4: and they made some big plays on offense in this game.
Speaker 4: But it's like, then you hand the ball over to
Speaker 4: Ryan Tannehill, who a week ago looked like maybe the
Speaker 4: career was over, and Tannehill flamed this Brandon Staley defense
Speaker 4: for a number of big passes today and looked different
Speaker 4: than a week ago. He's like twenty for twenty four
Speaker 4: efficient playing behind a bad offensive line, You're not getting
Speaker 4: the same exact performance from Derreck Henry in the past.
Speaker 4: But Ryan Tannehill in overtime makes enough plays to go
Speaker 4: down and you're right that rain started to come thundering down.
Speaker 4: It was like kick this thing as quick as you can,
Speaker 4: or wait until it ends, because it's like the rain
Speaker 4: was going to impact this kick. But they go get
Speaker 4: it done. And it's like who would have put their
Speaker 4: money on the concept that it would be Ryan Tannehill,
Speaker 4: not justin Herbert, to get it done in overtime. And
Speaker 4: so as I was driving to work today, I was
Speaker 4: listening to this like preview show on the radio, and
Speaker 4: this one guy's like he was a from Vegas, one
Speaker 4: of these people, and he's like.
Speaker 5: I love that you you always love like the deep
Speaker 5: on the AM dial. Oh yeah, Vegas shows where they
Speaker 5: get If I got one for you now, I'll give
Speaker 5: you this one for free.
Speaker 3: But if you want my super duper lock.
Speaker 4: Of the week, you gotta call this, but you know
Speaker 4: what he said, he's the he and it kind of
Speaker 4: it kind of like it got in my head and
Speaker 4: then I got to work and you're trying to like
Speaker 4: forgot about it. He's like, I would never in my
Speaker 4: life touch the Chargers on any type of anything. And
Speaker 4: I was like, wait a minute, I just locked this team,
Speaker 4: and it's like, of course they're going to go into
Speaker 4: Tennessee and win, Like how can they? How can this
Speaker 4: team come out?
Speaker 15: Oh?
Speaker 4: And two I came out of this game being like,
Speaker 4: I will literally, for as long as I do this show,
Speaker 4: never touch the Los Angeles Chargers in a lock ever again,
Speaker 4: Well what a disaster.
Speaker 2: Let me let me just say this because I think
Speaker 2: it did get Perhaps we gotta remember someone remember this.
Speaker 2: It gets easily misconstrued when the three of us are
Speaker 2: just you know, babbling on and having honk attacks. But
Speaker 2: on Thursday show, I was not saying I don't believe
Speaker 2: in Justin Herbert or that he's not a great quarterback.
Speaker 2: I was simply saying that sometimes I need Justin Herbert
Speaker 2: to like, you know, just turn into Superman that we
Speaker 2: talk about him as.
Speaker 1: And it just so happens the way it worked out.
Speaker 1: Is this game?
Speaker 2: It perfectly was set up where they're down three points
Speaker 2: late in this game. And yes, like, obviously you give
Speaker 2: Herbert credit for marching a team into field goal range
Speaker 2: and getting that game to overtime, but I do have
Speaker 2: to I'm gonna pick some knits here and say it's
Speaker 2: first and ten at the Tennessee fourteen yard line in
Speaker 2: at the end of the fourth quarter, like, finish that
Speaker 2: drive off. Absolutely win the damn game. And then you
Speaker 2: win the coin toss, and again Herbert like, your team
Speaker 2: needs this. That was a bad, bad week one. And
Speaker 2: it's not just the quarterback. It's it's the blocking scheme.
Speaker 2: The receivers have to make the right reads and make plays.
Speaker 2: Three plays zero yards punted away and you lose. And
Speaker 2: it's just like, I know, Chargers ends might get mad
Speaker 2: at those any Herbert takes that they are like, well,
Speaker 2: maybe he's not as good as all the people say.
Speaker 2: But then a game like this happens and you look
Speaker 2: at the box score and you look at the actual
Speaker 2: the way the game played out, and it's like you
Speaker 2: just want a little bit more. And that separates the
Speaker 2: five hundred teams from the true contenders and right now
Speaker 2: the Chargers are a winless team.
Speaker 5: I think it's just somewhat reductive because I think he's
Speaker 5: had those moments. He's among the league leaders, and fourth
Speaker 5: quarter comebacks, game with you know, game winning drives since
Speaker 5: he's come into the league. We can think of ones
Speaker 5: where he did it, and then you can always do
Speaker 5: that like today's perfect you have Derek.
Speaker 4: Carr led that stat for a long right right.
Speaker 5: My point though, is that his his coach, is in
Speaker 5: the crosshairs more than anything, more than their offense, more
Speaker 5: in there in certainly their defense, and and just seems
Speaker 5: like who is Brandon Staley? Like there's a point in
Speaker 5: the first half where he punts on fourth and one
Speaker 5: in Titan's territory. I know the end it ended up
Speaker 5: working out well. They had a coffin you know, kicked
Speaker 5: them quarter kicked them whatever, and he ended up getting
Speaker 5: the ball back in score.
Speaker 3: It worked out well. But it's also just like who
Speaker 3: is Brandon Staley?
Speaker 2: Here is Brandon Staley who was not happy when a
Speaker 2: reporter referenced how their season ended last year. Of course
Speaker 2: the twenty seven to nothing playoff meltdown.
Speaker 1: Oo, hear is Staley?
Speaker 9: A lot of people who sort of wonder whether that
Speaker 9: Jacksonville lost food.
Speaker 21: I'm not worried about the jacksonvillete That Jacksonville loss hasn't
Speaker 21: carried on to the season whatsoever. If you've seen our
Speaker 21: training camp or you've seen the way we've played in
Speaker 21: the first two games, it hasn't had an impact on
Speaker 21: our team whatsoever. Our team is connected. Our team has
Speaker 21: played its hard out in two games, and we've lost
Speaker 21: two tough games, but has nothing to do with the
Speaker 21: Jacksonville game. And if you ask anyone in our locker room,
Speaker 21: it has nothing to do with the Jacksonville game. And
Speaker 21: that's just the truth. It's a convenience storyline for you
Speaker 21: and for everybody else, but it's not the truth. We've
Speaker 21: lost two tough games. But the guys in that locker room,
Speaker 21: the men in that locker room, they are finishers and
Speaker 21: they have what it takes, and we're excited to prove ourselves.
Speaker 2: Staley shown a little personality and fight, so I do
Speaker 2: want to hear more from him.
Speaker 21: Yeah, we just lost a game in overtime, Jeff. So
Speaker 21: how do you think the mood is. How do you
Speaker 21: think the mood is, How do you think it is
Speaker 21: it's tough, it's tough. It's a tough, it's tough group
Speaker 21: in there. There's a lot of pride in that room, Okay,
Speaker 21: and we put a lot into this and we got
Speaker 21: a good football team. And so we've lost two tough games.
Speaker 21: We got to bounce back, learn from our mistakes, and
Speaker 21: be ready for Minnesota.
Speaker 5: First of all, it's a clown question, Like it's such
Speaker 5: a weak question that I don't mind him getting mad,
Speaker 5: not because bringing it up, No, No, because he said
Speaker 5: a lot of people are saying and that's a I
Speaker 5: don't like that.
Speaker 1: It's a move.
Speaker 3: Any reporter that.
Speaker 5: Ever says that, that says a lot of people are
Speaker 5: saying or people are saying this and then brings up
Speaker 5: a tough question.
Speaker 3: Just you're a word you can't say on this show.
Speaker 5: You're you're just being a shallow weak person in that
Speaker 5: spot when you're.
Speaker 1: Just a little bit of there no shallow weak person.
Speaker 5: I think so, because if you're gonna have the if
Speaker 5: you're gonna say that in a public spot, you stand
Speaker 5: on it. You're getting on them for not you know,
Speaker 5: being tough and standing out and you are like exhibiting
Speaker 5: the worst sort of like secondhand I'm afraid to actually
Speaker 5: say this, but I'm gonna put it on a lot
Speaker 5: of people out there are saying it.
Speaker 3: You're there, just say it. It's fine.
Speaker 5: He'll respect you more for that too, Like it's not
Speaker 5: that big of a deal. He's frustrated because, like the
Speaker 5: NFL is brutal, it's a short season. These two Like
Speaker 5: have they played better than the Commanders on balance in
Speaker 5: their two games? Like, sure they have, but these games
Speaker 5: come down to the end, especially when they're the Chargers,
Speaker 5: and they usually end this way when they're the Chargers
Speaker 5: and he's the coache.
Speaker 2: I know what you're saying. We've talked about this before.
Speaker 2: I hate when reporters open a question that way. Say
Speaker 2: that's what you're saying, Yeah, that's all. Now this is
Speaker 2: where you could bring it up. I'll just to kind
Speaker 2: of extend that a little bit. A lot of people
Speaker 2: are saying that, not necessarily, that the end of last
Speaker 2: season is somehow carried a hangover, Because if that's what
Speaker 2: the reporter's question was exactly, I'm not sure what his
Speaker 2: true angle was, then I disagree. But a larger idea
Speaker 2: about the Chargers and an inability to ask them about
Speaker 2: that that's a good question, Like there's a better way
Speaker 2: to ask that question, and but overall there is it's
Speaker 2: fair to wonder whether the Brandon Staly Chargers are ever
Speaker 2: gonna figure it out or we're gonna just be in
Speaker 2: this purgatory.
Speaker 4: For right why, like we let's just isolate what the
Speaker 4: Brandon Staley Chargers are. He went on a long, you know,
Speaker 4: explanation a season plus ago, saying like whatever came before
Speaker 4: here is different. Now, it's not what we're gonna be.
Speaker 4: And that's fine. I liked that he said that back then.
Speaker 4: I liked that that's his mentality, and I think he's
Speaker 4: a smart, ingenius coach. But that's not been the case.
Speaker 4: The Chargers have been as chargery as any time before.
Speaker 4: And I think the one thing that bothers me today
Speaker 4: is that under Kellen Moore was like, we're gonna they
Speaker 4: didn't have Austin Eckler, but Kelly is still a good
Speaker 4: running back. You ran the ball for two point nine
Speaker 4: yards per Carrie six one yards. Tennessee is a good
Speaker 4: run front, one of the best in the league. But
Speaker 4: you didn't find a way around that. And on that
Speaker 4: was against the defense. Missing Christian Fulton missing Amar Hooker,
Speaker 4: Amani Hooker. I just think if you are on the
Speaker 4: flip side year three, Brandon Staley, like, what are you
Speaker 4: on defense? Like you WoT the Titans awoke on offense
Speaker 4: after looking very lost for six courts five plus quarters
Speaker 4: with deep downfield by Bosa, woke up today. You did
Speaker 4: get the rush going, but there is no identity to
Speaker 4: this Chargers defense other than we're probably gonna collapse at
Speaker 4: some point.
Speaker 2: Give the Titans from some flowers, mark because I could
Speaker 2: hear a grave digger getting upset.
Speaker 3: Well, he's right.
Speaker 5: This is such a classic Titans win versus the yeah Chargers.
Speaker 2: What did the Titans do here that they didn't do
Speaker 2: last week against the Saints?
Speaker 4: Well, a number one, you got an efficient Ryan Tannehill
Speaker 4: who wasn't destroyed. I mean he did in flick damage,
Speaker 4: but he looked more like Ryan Tannehill. And you are
Speaker 4: working with you know, Nick Westbrook, Aquina and like DeAndre Hopkins,
Speaker 4: had a little bit more to do today, but they
Speaker 4: got the their passing game made big plays when they
Speaker 4: needed to. And I thought that you know your run
Speaker 4: game made they converted it in key third down spots
Speaker 4: and like the version of we got a Tannahill a
Speaker 4: week ago. You're gonna go win four games all season.
Speaker 4: This Tannahill is the guy we've been watching.
Speaker 5: Derek Henry owners in fantasy might have a little bit
Speaker 5: of a Tije Bears problem.
Speaker 3: He's too good.
Speaker 5: You gotta keep them on the field, and he was
Speaker 5: on midfield though. Yeah, it's great for them, it's great
Speaker 5: for them. Let's head to your world.
Speaker 1: The four ball the left great Bob and the gun
Speaker 1: back is on his left.
Speaker 17: Snap goes back looking to his left, looking looking checks
Speaker 17: it down.
Speaker 1: We go.
Speaker 17: The one leans over the pylon touchdown, slip touchdown of
Speaker 17: the year. Jake Ferguson was not happy with him.
Speaker 20: Shown we're gonna bleep out, did not catch the ball
Speaker 20: and to show and we're we sell out on our
Speaker 20: own took the ball when they want the company any
Speaker 20: of these, we're part.
Speaker 1: Of it, right.
Speaker 5: You could have watched that play on NFL Plus. But
Speaker 5: we're not playing the sponsor on hell cowboys are.
Speaker 1: I'd love to drive a Toyota Highlander. I don't have one.
Speaker 1: It's not like they gave them to us.
Speaker 2: But you don't get that that's an idea. Brad Sham
Speaker 2: the sham god our friend with the call. Dak Prescott
Speaker 2: threw two touchdown passes, which is better than Zach Wilson,
Speaker 2: who threw three interceptions and his first start after Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers season ending well question mark Achilles tendon injury, and
Speaker 2: the Cowboys roll the Jets thirty to ten, and the
Speaker 2: talked about on Thursday, this was a buzzsaw situation for
Speaker 2: the Jets given where they are and the way the
Speaker 2: Cowboys look right now, and it was that way. But
Speaker 2: it's interesting watching this game how close it was to
Speaker 2: almost being a real game. It was Cowboys who really
Speaker 2: kind of bullied the Jets defense, which was a surprise.
Speaker 1: You didn't expect that, but that's what happened in this game.
Speaker 2: Up ten to nothing and the Jets offense doing less
Speaker 2: than zero until Zach Wilson plants his back foot and
Speaker 2: zips went into Garrett Wilson in man coverage and Garrett
Speaker 2: Wilson does, which Garrett Wilson does sixty seven yards to
Speaker 2: the house, and all of a sudden, it's ten to seven.
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott then drops back on the next drive and
Speaker 2: hangs one on the sideline. Sauce Gardner reads it perfectly
Speaker 2: breaks on the ball, jumps, the receiver's route drops what
Speaker 2: is a back pocket pick six. So you go from
Speaker 2: potentially fourteen ten Jets and a whole new ball game
Speaker 2: and Dak feeling that energy suck after all the turnovers
Speaker 2: last year, to new life. The Cowboys turned that second
Speaker 2: life into a touchdown helped on a very tick tech
Speaker 2: roughing the passer call and third down in the red zone.
Speaker 2: But it is what it is and they never look
Speaker 2: back from that point onward and Boys Zach Wilson. A
Speaker 2: lot of the storyline will be on the Jet side,
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson's three interceptions, which I don't think is totally
Speaker 2: fair for me. The storyline is more what the quarterback
Speaker 2: of the Jets was facing, which was a Cowboys front
Speaker 2: four and front seven led by Micah Parsons that looked
Speaker 2: unstoppable for the second straight week. And it's always a
Speaker 2: little bit different when it's your team playing player X
Speaker 2: that everyone rave is about. But Parsons has been putting
Speaker 2: on an on tape for years now. It was said
Speaker 2: in this telecast, who was it? It was Romo and Nance.
Speaker 2: Nance said that he thinks and he's called a lot
Speaker 2: of Cowboys game. That was the best Micah Parsons game ever.
Speaker 2: And he was a constant force and a nightmare for
Speaker 2: the Jets.
Speaker 4: He had that strip of Dalvin Cook and he raced
Speaker 4: to the house. Uh, you know, ruled down. Parsons was
Speaker 4: ruled down, but it was still a strip like that
Speaker 4: was like Defensive Player of the Year material, right, it
Speaker 4: was like MVP.
Speaker 1: Stuff the game. It's just the way he played.
Speaker 5: More quarterback hits, three tackles for last two sacks, a
Speaker 5: pass defense of forced fumble, and there.
Speaker 2: Was and you and we're a little young, even Mark
Speaker 2: is like a football fan in the mid eighties, you
Speaker 2: weren't really, I'm sure all there yet, Like when they
Speaker 2: talk about Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 4: I watched a lot. I was all there. Like in
Speaker 4: terms of Lawrence Taylor my television, Like every week LT,
Speaker 4: you were a boy genius. No, no, you could you.
Speaker 4: I would say that you could be a very dim
Speaker 4: witted individual. And see that LT made a difference.
Speaker 3: He was on NFL Plus back then breaking down the altar.
Speaker 2: But Lawrence Seller when you watch those old clips on
Speaker 2: NFL films, like the way the immediacy in which he
Speaker 2: got to the quarterback and how we made offensive lines
Speaker 2: looks silly. There's a on the first possession for the Jets.
Speaker 2: It ends with a Parson sack where he literally is
Speaker 2: in the backfield in less than two seconds and taking
Speaker 2: out the quarterback, and that just set the tone for
Speaker 2: the game. And like I said, if Sauce makes that
Speaker 2: play and it goes the other way, you never know.
Speaker 2: But overall, like this loss was not because Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 2: in Malibu right now with his state of the art
Speaker 2: surgery recuperation. It's because the Jets defense got its ass
Speaker 2: handed to it to them by a Cowboys offense that
Speaker 2: looks very good and a defense that looks otherworldly through
Speaker 2: two weeks.
Speaker 1: Look out.
Speaker 4: But I so I hear what you're saying. You can
Speaker 4: just pin it all on Wilson or X, Y and Z.
Speaker 4: But the uneven nature of this of this team right
Speaker 4: now and both sides of the ball is what freaks
Speaker 4: me out because we have to point to had this
Speaker 4: one play happened, they would have had a chance. The
Speaker 4: door would have still been slightly open. It's like you're
Speaker 4: waiting for a very improbable thing to occur, and it's
Speaker 4: typically gonna have to be the defense making some wizard
Speaker 4: play or scoring. The Cowboys had the ball for forty
Speaker 4: two minutes. Yes, the Cowboys had twenty six first downs,
Speaker 4: the Jets had twelve. The Jets were one for ten
Speaker 4: on third down, the Cowboys were nine for eighteen. The
Speaker 4: Cowboys had three hundred and eighty two total yards. The
Speaker 4: Jets had two hundred and fifteen. The Cowboys had eighty
Speaker 4: three offensive plays, the Jets had forty six. That's a
Speaker 4: non functioning offense. It has a lot to do with
Speaker 4: the Cowboys defense, but I'm not sure it has a
Speaker 4: lot to do with who they played next week either.
Speaker 4: It's like, you have a real problem here. And my
Speaker 4: concern is because it's such a likable, well coached team
Speaker 4: that you're gonna get a locker room schism because the
Speaker 4: defense is going to tire out and give up plays
Speaker 4: after a while. When you're out there for forty plus minutes.
Speaker 3: You gotta.
Speaker 1: Run the ball.
Speaker 5: If you're there's too many things to overcome if you
Speaker 5: don't have a running game and whatever Zach Wilson is
Speaker 5: gonna give you as a passer, and certainly in this match,
Speaker 5: their schedule stays brutal. I mean, it's not gonna say
Speaker 5: this brutal the whole season. It's a tough, tougher match.
Speaker 5: Tough matchup against the Patriots are not as tough as
Speaker 5: as this. But it's a concern when the main storyline
Speaker 5: coming out of the game is rich to me and
Speaker 5: he's saying, like the support this, the moot and locker
Speaker 5: room is really supportive. They came in there, Garrett Wilson's
Speaker 5: got his arm around him, the teaser that titands are
Speaker 5: there encouraging him. Wilson said, you know he's being encouraging.
Speaker 5: We got your back. The team's got his back. It's like,
Speaker 5: that's good. He's gonna They're gonna need to step up too.
Speaker 5: But I I do think that almost any team playing
Speaker 5: in Dallas right now is gonna run into this sort
Speaker 5: of bus set.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know I said it in the summer.
Speaker 2: It felt like a needless gambled by the Jets have
Speaker 2: Wilson is the number two quarterback. But you but that
Speaker 2: this is the reality, and because it was the Jets,
Speaker 2: the absolute worst case scenario immediately presented itself. Ow Dak
Speaker 2: look by the way, uh, I'll get to that in
Speaker 2: one second. Like, but he is not going anywhere and
Speaker 2: I'm like text threads that I'm getting I gotta bench him,
Speaker 2: gotta you gotta put in the third string Cord. No,
Speaker 2: Like they made their bed and now they have to
Speaker 2: find a way to make it work. With Wilson, who
Speaker 2: two of his interceptions were when the game was kind
Speaker 2: of decided, I didn't think he played as badly as
Speaker 2: the stat line looks. I'll let you guys decide on
Speaker 2: the On the Dak side, great, Dak look great again.
Speaker 2: He should have had a pick six hung on him,
Speaker 2: but other than that, he kind of did whatever he wanted.
Speaker 2: There were multiple times where the pass rush almost gets
Speaker 2: home to Dak and he hangs in there and delivers
Speaker 2: the pass. And even on a day where they try
Speaker 2: to run the ball and the especially once they were
Speaker 2: in control of the game, they run the ball forty
Speaker 2: four times but average three yards a clip and rushing
Speaker 2: Dak made enough big plays with Ceede Lamb who had
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty three yards that they just cruise.
Speaker 2: And I you know, if I'm the Eagles, and I
Speaker 2: know the Eagles are the team to beat in the NFC,
Speaker 2: A lot of people believe this.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say that Greg will call me a weak.
Speaker 3: Willed I mean all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I know not a lot of people are saying it.
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 5: But the Cowboys also though, like that's a big spot,
Speaker 5: like that's your fourth down decision that you're criticizing them,
Speaker 5: or that's your big moment and you.
Speaker 1: And you, I know where you're going from.
Speaker 2: The Cowboys and Niners to me, so far are the
Speaker 2: two best teams in the league. Let's move on, let's
Speaker 2: move on anything else.
Speaker 5: Just the NFC East hasn't lost the game yet outside
Speaker 5: the division?
Speaker 1: How many Homona Hamana seven.
Speaker 2: And oh, let's stick in the NFC East. Who this
Speaker 2: will be a thirty four yard or from the right
Speaker 2: hash kill in the hole, cried or the long snapper.
Speaker 1: Big whispers, not gonna like that, lew eight. You know
Speaker 1: it's anti whisper kick on its way twenty of length. Man,
Speaker 1: it is good.
Speaker 17: Ram Cano hits from thirty four yards out and with
Speaker 17: nineteen seconds to go in the game, the Giants lead.
Speaker 1: At thirty one twenty eight.
Speaker 2: O Bob Popo in the call w f An Grangano's
Speaker 2: field goal in the final seconds. The difference for the
Speaker 2: g Men, who wiped out a twenty one point second
Speaker 2: half deficit and a thirty one twenty eight win over
Speaker 2: the Cardinals in the Desert. Oh, Cardinals, if they're sitting
Speaker 2: on own thirteen in a couple of months.
Speaker 1: You're gonna kick yourself about this one.
Speaker 2: Really week one as well, or maybe they're not as bad,
Speaker 2: doesn't matter, we'll get to it later. Daniel Jones accounted
Speaker 2: for three touchdowns in the comeback, the Giant's largest.
Speaker 1: Since the nineteen fifty season Sizzler. It is indeed on
Speaker 1: in New York's hip.
Speaker 4: I was like that, dude, Yeah, that's a nice little
Speaker 4: like do what. No one asked her to sing it
Speaker 4: that way. She did it on like do what? What's
Speaker 4: your what may sit on? You're in, if you're if
Speaker 4: you fine yourself in New York City, you.
Speaker 1: Could do a lot of good follow up question what's on?
Speaker 4: It's a mysterious song. Uh like this stadium in Phoenix
Speaker 4: or Glendale sounded like, uh New York City, it was
Speaker 4: like sixty five. It's one of these stadiums where it's
Speaker 4: like just suddenly sixty five percent of the visiting team. Sure,
Speaker 4: I mean I Greg, I think I heard you say
Speaker 4: that you Uh, there was a part of you, and
Speaker 4: I know you're not the Giant's biggest fan of the planet.
Speaker 4: That when they were getting cooked heavily by a Cardinals
Speaker 4: team where like Josh Dobbs looked totally competent, They're making
Speaker 4: big plays, James Connor was fired up and shredding this
Speaker 4: Giant's defense. It looked completely lost. The offense looked loss.
Speaker 4: That there was a party who kind of wanted to,
Speaker 4: like had this holy anger to come on and just
Speaker 4: tear the Giants a new one on the show I'm I'm, I'm.
Speaker 2: Dance on the trip to San Francisco on Thursday night,
Speaker 2: you needed, I felt.
Speaker 4: Like you were more mad I was. I was furious
Speaker 4: at them. It was just like because I think the
Speaker 4: thing I thought that was consistent was like Brian table Obvio,
Speaker 4: I thought he deserved Coach of the Year. He was
Speaker 4: he he worked on so many different levels for me,
Speaker 4: and like through six quarters, they just looked poorly coached.
Speaker 4: There were all these terrible penalties. The offensive line couldn't
Speaker 4: get out of their own way, like Daniel Jones looked
Speaker 4: like one of the worst re signings UH of our
Speaker 4: podcast run.
Speaker 2: Can I quote the Twitter? The Twitter echo chamber out there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: doesn't like Daniel Jones. I saw a tweet that said,
Speaker 2: just a reminder that the Giants only have one year
Speaker 2: of guaranteed money left toward Daniel Jones. After this year,
Speaker 2: the great like the shovels were out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, g men tonight and then it just it, this
Speaker 4: just happens like it seems with these teams that start
Speaker 4: this way, like it's the Giants just completely changed and
Speaker 4: and everything started to come to life. It was a
Speaker 4: lot to do with rookie Jalen Hyatt who caught uh
Speaker 4: two big passes in this. Saquon Barkley got going, we
Speaker 4: got Darren Waller involved, and it was like Daniel Jones
Speaker 4: just looked like last year's Daryl Daniel Jones. And and
Speaker 4: Saquan who left late with a did not like that
Speaker 4: pretty nasty. Looked like a nasty ankle injury. Find out more.
Speaker 4: And they played Thursday night, so that's against San Francisco.
Speaker 4: So it's like it's it gets dark all over again.
Speaker 4: But this was this was what you were hoping from
Speaker 4: New York. And again it came against the Cardinals. Although
Speaker 4: the Cardinals, honestly, I like this was a massive collapse.
Speaker 4: There's no way around it. It is a disaster of
Speaker 4: a loss for for Gannon and friends because it's like
Speaker 4: this would have been a massive victory, and like I thought, Dobbs,
Speaker 4: like compared to last week, made some big plays. He's
Speaker 4: only been on this team for twenty five days. I'm
Speaker 4: not saying he's considered he's done well. Yeah, I would
Speaker 4: say that it's been or it's that's that I don't
Speaker 4: think anyone understands how hard it is to suddenly have
Speaker 4: to go do what he's had to do.
Speaker 2: He's a patch, he's a he's a placeholder. His thoughts
Speaker 2: app well, what does that mean he's been sent to
Speaker 2: be the fall guy?
Speaker 4: He wasn't playing fall guy today. And I honestly, like
Speaker 4: we talked a little about James Connor, like he just
Speaker 4: looks really good right now, and so I think the
Speaker 4: Cardinals are not to be taken that lightly. It's just
Speaker 4: that what happened today kind of is like where's the
Speaker 4: team's mentality after something like this? This was a massive collapse.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it'll it'll test Jonathan Gainon as a head coach,
Speaker 5: But that's such a massive victory for the Giants, Like
Speaker 5: you have to manage the season. Yes, okay, it's not
Speaker 5: gonna feel great if on Thursday night the forty nine
Speaker 5: Ers win that game easily. But these seasons are so long.
Speaker 5: We make these declarative statements early and they go like
Speaker 5: they go back and forth and back and forth and banking.
Speaker 5: This one where you didn't just get embarrassed when it
Speaker 5: was twenty to nothing at halftime, when it was twenty
Speaker 5: eight to seven midway through the third and you get
Speaker 5: that victory is just huge in every respect, and these
Speaker 5: twenty point comebacks are like nothing now, Like we don't
Speaker 5: even think twice that the Commanders came back from twenty
Speaker 5: one to three and this one was twenty eight to seven,
Speaker 5: and the Broncos came back eleven like halfway through the fourth.
Speaker 3: We just sort of like, oh, yeah, that's the NFL now,
Speaker 3: because that is the NF.
Speaker 1: Only this is the Giant's biggest comeback in seventy three.
Speaker 18: Wow.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, though.
Speaker 3: But it doesn't it used to be old.
Speaker 5: It doesn't feel like we're not leading the show with it,
Speaker 5: like what a historic comeback.
Speaker 4: The thing I like about it though, is there was
Speaker 4: no fluke element to it. It was second half drive chart, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown.
Speaker 3: Oh oh, well you get the.
Speaker 1: Better team figuring it out basically, Yeah.
Speaker 5: You get Waller and Saquon, the two best players on
Speaker 5: the offense, and Danielson's running the ball, like the three
Speaker 5: things you were hoping to build your offense around rolling together.
Speaker 2: That's encouraging and mega premature for me to say that
Speaker 2: Saquan's not playing Thursday. But you know these players in
Speaker 2: the body language. Sometimes he's helped off the field badly, limping,
Speaker 2: and then he throws his helmet down when he sits down.
Speaker 1: It had all the looks of a guy that just.
Speaker 2: Like you know, the the UH trainers, like, yeah, it
Speaker 2: looks like it might be a high ankle. Yeah, like
Speaker 2: throw the helmet down, because when you deal with an
Speaker 2: angle spran like that, it's gonna cost you time and
Speaker 2: maybe stick with you. I don't know if it's a
Speaker 2: high but the way he reacted made you think it wasn't.
Speaker 4: A love Yeah, we saw him and I never liked this,
Speaker 4: where like still in the ground, he just pounded the
Speaker 4: turf and it's like he knows more than we know.
Speaker 1: Well, I hope he's okay. And Giants fans.
Speaker 2: I told you we weren't gonna do this until they
Speaker 2: won a football game. And I don't know if you
Speaker 2: win a football game for a while after this. The
Speaker 2: schedule is pretty rough of the Giants too, and you
Speaker 2: take a look at it. But you got this one,
Speaker 2: so you get this one.
Speaker 1: Look yall that's.
Speaker 5: Coming on at the end of that for up, Well,
Speaker 5: he's had his heart ripped out by these Cardinals two weeks.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, there's a silver lining, you know, at the
Speaker 2: end of a long, painful road.
Speaker 1: Perhaps is there. I don't know. Let's head to so
Speaker 1: far across the sidewalk.
Speaker 22: Thirty under center back pedals throws for deepot back in
Speaker 22: the game. Jennings never made the block, but Tebo breaks
Speaker 22: a tackle.
Speaker 3: Tebo checks it on the way out of the collar.
Speaker 8: There he is, touchdown, said Francesco.
Speaker 14: Wow, they're loud at Levi's sorry, that is so Fie
Speaker 14: Freig Papa with the call knbr Deebo Samuel went over
Speaker 14: one hundred yards from scrimmage, scored that touchdown, gave the
Speaker 14: Niners breathing room and an eventual thirty twenty three.
Speaker 3: They got that extra three at the end.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll talk about that win over the rival Rams
Speaker 2: at Sofi Stadium, which yes, was completely overrun by Red
Speaker 2: Jerseys in that crowd.
Speaker 1: Greg brock Perty didn't have a touchdown pass in this game.
Speaker 2: I think it ended a streak of seven regular season
Speaker 2: games with at least two But Sam Frank can beat you.
Speaker 1: In so many ways.
Speaker 5: They can, and they just have players like Deebo that
Speaker 5: can make individual plays to beat you.
Speaker 3: Same thing with Fred Warner.
Speaker 5: But watching these two teams play, my biggest takeaway was like, Wow,
Speaker 5: these teams teams seem close in a way that they
Speaker 5: usually aren't when the Rams in the forty nine ers
Speaker 5: play even better Rams team. This is a ninth straight
Speaker 5: regular season win for the forty nine Ers over the Rams.
Speaker 5: Of course, the NFC championship would have matter the most.
Speaker 5: Rams got it done, but like yardage yards per play,
Speaker 5: the way the drives were going, it all felt very close.
Speaker 5: The difference was the Rams offense stopped in the second
Speaker 5: half when they had a couple misconnections where there was
Speaker 5: a couple drops. One Stafford's a little late on a throw,
Speaker 5: another a drop bounces in the air and turns into
Speaker 5: an interception, and then the killer was uh Stafford's second interception,
Speaker 5: which Mark Sanchez in the booth blamed on Van Jefferson
Speaker 5: for kind of rounding off and fading on the route.
Speaker 5: I don't know if I'm smart enough to totally blame
Speaker 5: it on Van Jefferson, but I can't.
Speaker 1: Eat you else Sessler would have been able to diagnose.
Speaker 3: He would have.
Speaker 5: I can't say that whenever Matthew Stafford throws it to
Speaker 5: basically anyone but Van Jefferson Pukuinakua to too. At well,
Speaker 5: like great things happen, and he trusts those guys much
Speaker 5: more than he trusts Van Jefferson through two weeks when
Speaker 5: bad things happened. But beyond that, it's like, these two
Speaker 5: teams look like division rivals that are both a little spicy,
Speaker 5: that are fun and an evenly played game.
Speaker 4: Puka Nakua, by the way, twenty five catches in the
Speaker 4: first two games is easily the most by any rookie.
Speaker 1: Going back to that, that solves one problem for the Rams.
Speaker 2: They're like, who was our new number two receiver when
Speaker 2: Cooper Cup hopefully gets back in a few weeks, You
Speaker 2: got a nice one two punch.
Speaker 4: I would say that I was singing during this game
Speaker 4: like I spent six months kind of unnecessarily totally discounting
Speaker 4: the Rams as a concept, and like I'm totally wrong.
Speaker 4: I know I'm not alone, but I'm doing the great
Speaker 4: thing I'm saying. I thought that and couldn't have been
Speaker 4: more far off. Watch I should never have spoken magnanimous, like.
Speaker 5: It's a long season, like things things could change negatively
Speaker 5: for the Rams in theory, but I just don't see
Speaker 5: it offensively. And I actually thought despite the score, Raheem
Speaker 5: Morris called up a nice play and got more punts
Speaker 5: than I would have expected. Now, this is a lot
Speaker 5: of like giving of the flowers to the team that lost.
Speaker 5: Let's give Kyle Sanan some credit because at the end
Speaker 5: of the first half, I thought, the absolute key sequence
Speaker 5: of the game is the Rams score to go up.
Speaker 5: What was it seventeen ten at the time, and the
Speaker 5: forty nine ers get the ball back with only one
Speaker 5: forty five to go, They go down the field, they're aggressive,
Speaker 5: they get a long pass interference called Purdy had a
Speaker 5: pretty much perfect game, as Kyle Shannon pointed out, except
Speaker 5: he missed two or three open deep shots.
Speaker 3: That wasn't one of them. That was a penalty.
Speaker 5: We missed two or three open deep shots, otherwise played great,
Speaker 5: great movement decision making. All that Shanahan doesn't get touchdowns
Speaker 5: on his first two tries basically from the one yard
Speaker 5: line on throws they didn't have any time outs left
Speaker 5: though they were thrown and I was like, you got
Speaker 5: to just run it. Of course, the forty nine ers
Speaker 5: can get one yard I don't care if you don't
Speaker 5: have a timeout or not. You could run it on first, second,
Speaker 5: or third. You're the freaking forty nine ers. And Kyle Shannan,
Speaker 5: who's been so conservative over the years with his fourth
Speaker 5: down decisions, went for a big one last week, went
Speaker 5: for a big one this week.
Speaker 3: He got it.
Speaker 5: It was seventeen all, and I just thought that was
Speaker 5: such a crucial moment because the Rams needed to get
Speaker 5: every break possible. They couldn't lose this turnover battle two
Speaker 5: to nothing and give up that touchdown.
Speaker 4: And I think this would have been over earlier though,
Speaker 4: because You're party is just very consistent and you know,
Speaker 4: totally believe in him. But like the two misses the
Speaker 4: Juan Jennings on third and seven when it was tied
Speaker 4: seventeen seventeen, and the deeper shot to Brandon Ayuk that
Speaker 4: would have I think the game would have maybe just
Speaker 4: been less dramatic and over earlier. Sure, those two incompletions been.
Speaker 3: Sure you could look at it both ways.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, But the Kyrin Williams, who looked great by the way,
Speaker 5: cam Akers was benched for this game, why a like inactive.
Speaker 1: I can't do it anymore. I can't.
Speaker 4: It's this is not this.
Speaker 2: I have a note on that because I was watching
Speaker 2: the beginning of this telecast.
Speaker 5: I think I think at this point though he's not
Speaker 5: going to get his job back this year, I or
Speaker 5: I don't know why he would. Kiraen Williams to me
Speaker 5: looks like a nice ballplayer. This whole thing where I
Speaker 5: heard what they said if you were you got a paraphrase.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the sideline reporter for the Rams.
Speaker 2: I apologize to her for not having her name, but
Speaker 2: said that he was like adhering to the culture of
Speaker 2: the Rams.
Speaker 5: Yes, in terms of a count, he wasn't he And
Speaker 5: basically I think team attitude. I think he was upset
Speaker 5: because Kyron Williams played way more than he did UH
Speaker 5: a week ago, and that's the same reason why he
Speaker 5: was upset last year, he wasn't getting touches.
Speaker 3: It kind of slipped under the raider.
Speaker 5: But Kyrian Williams was the essentially the starter a week ago,
Speaker 5: even though he didn't start, and there was something to
Speaker 5: that effect. But it's like maybe just maybe just give
Speaker 5: up on him. But man, the things we thought that
Speaker 5: were good about the Rams week one, it wasn't a
Speaker 5: fluke to too out Well is actually more shocking to
Speaker 5: me that he's a real dude making contested catches. This
Speaker 5: little guy. I thought McVeigh was forcing him on the team.
Speaker 5: It was like mcveigh's pick. Everyone said it Now like
Speaker 5: thirteen catches one hundred and ninety six yards after two weeks.
Speaker 5: Who's that to too out Well Well? That the lightest
Speaker 5: player in the league, who did nothing through two years,
Speaker 5: And everyone including myself was wrong saying like he's only
Speaker 5: on this team because he's kind of fazed pet project.
Speaker 5: And here he is in the third season on time open,
Speaker 5: making really tough plays, like they have three receivers right
Speaker 5: now when they get cut back and Van Jefferson's gonna
Speaker 5: get the cam Akers treatment.
Speaker 2: I think to the point, well, you were saying too
Speaker 2: Mark that it's like Sean McVay knows what he's doing,
Speaker 2: so he's he's working through this. I get Nikua was
Speaker 2: targeted twenty times. Yeah, like twenty targets. That seems a
Speaker 2: little insane, but you know.
Speaker 4: Well, Williams have twenty eight catches in this game.
Speaker 5: I mean they were they were in deep catchup mode
Speaker 5: for a while in the fourth quarter, so that was
Speaker 5: part of it. But they were throwing, throwing early to
Speaker 5: Brandon Ayuk got a little shaken up in this game.
Speaker 5: That's something to watch. He played through it, but didn't
Speaker 5: seem as effective. And I think McCaffrey's is gonna like
Speaker 5: run for one hundred yards every single week.
Speaker 1: Stay healthy, kid, big journal energy here.
Speaker 2: Fox's Laura Akmen had that nugget on cam Akers not
Speaker 2: adhering to the culture. It's a good night games. Let's
Speaker 2: take a break and we'll continue on all right before
Speaker 2: we dive into the next game. I think it's important,
Speaker 2: Mark because it I think I know what angle you're going,
Speaker 2: but I just what is this. It's just it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be fun just to hear it. You said
Speaker 2: you were because you had lost your lock. You locked
Speaker 2: the chargers. Did you have something you wanted to share
Speaker 2: beyond frustration with just locking the chargers? Was there any
Speaker 2: any other comments you had? I can't remember if we
Speaker 2: didn't get to it or not.
Speaker 4: No, I basically said I'll never touch the charge was
Speaker 4: ever again for an okay? And I also have a
Speaker 4: strong feeling that I'm about to rip off like twelve
Speaker 4: to thirteen victories because this I was I maybe was
Speaker 4: dealing in, like in a pond of apathy to some
Speaker 4: degree about the lock things. It's just like, I don't know,
Speaker 4: it seems so impossible to pick these games. And now
Speaker 4: I'm irritated and I'm refocused on this.
Speaker 2: You sound like Aaron Rodgers saying, just doubt me. All
Speaker 2: the prognostications, give them, give them to me. I want
Speaker 2: them all. I welcome you to nice, I welcome us
Speaker 2: to move forward with the show.
Speaker 3: Real quick, guys.
Speaker 18: Yes, I forgot to cycle in a loser horn earlier
Speaker 18: in the segment during the Jets game, because if you
Speaker 18: guys recall, oh, yeah, the West Bros went a.
Speaker 1: Little West Bros, I'd say, bro hit the horn.
Speaker 2: The Cincinnati Zoo too is on fire. Big Westling completely rogue,
Speaker 2: and you know I love him for it.
Speaker 1: Because it's my team.
Speaker 2: But he locked up the jets, which was it led
Speaker 2: to some It got a little heated on the the
Speaker 2: Westling Brothers.
Speaker 1: Text thread that we're on.
Speaker 2: Understandably, one of the brothers said to the other that
Speaker 2: I wish that mother never conceived you.
Speaker 3: I mean it wasn't quite well.
Speaker 5: Phil said, just call it nicks picks, which seems fair. Yeah, brothers,
Speaker 5: it's got a little you know, sizzle to it.
Speaker 1: Next picks.
Speaker 3: But yes, I think I think Nick hit back hard
Speaker 3: that that.
Speaker 1: I wish you weren't born right something?
Speaker 5: He said that was the that was the conceit Well,
Speaker 5: Phil said, locket. Any team of Zach Wilson is irresponsible.
Speaker 5: Nick said your mom was irresponsible when she conceived you, which.
Speaker 3: Is funny because obviously it's his mom too.
Speaker 2: I think he wrote thanks, Well, yes we know, Greg,
Speaker 2: but I'm saying like that is.
Speaker 3: I mean, you just don't usually hear your response to brothers.
Speaker 2: And you have to know the Westling brothers to love them.
Speaker 2: To know them is to love them. His response to
Speaker 2: his brother was thanks, bro.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think the rest of the zoo have a
Speaker 4: like a very viable, you know beef with Nick, who's
Speaker 4: completely going on the rails to pick.
Speaker 2: That you don't know, I don't know how you know
Speaker 2: how it all works, and we're gonna there's gonna be
Speaker 2: an incredible theology podcast down the line, maybe our last podcast.
Speaker 2: But if Chris hustling, if it works where you're in
Speaker 2: the clouds and you just get to like watch what's
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 1: First of all, scary thought, but.
Speaker 2: Second of all, he would be cackling his ass off
Speaker 2: just reading that thread of just World War three.
Speaker 5: I think he is loving the Wesleyan Brothers being non
Speaker 5: competitive for a fifth grade year.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on.
Speaker 8: Trips right formation Digson Davis in a stack shack here
Speaker 8: inside of him, knocks on the left side, Cook to
Speaker 8: the left of Allen in the shotgun.
Speaker 4: Where's the snap?
Speaker 8: Has time gonna roll out to his right, Max Crossby
Speaker 8: in pursuit back across the field, complete the gape Davis
Speaker 8: for the touchdown fourth and gold, the jubior touchdown reception
Speaker 8: I gave Davis in traffic.
Speaker 2: Mercy, mercy like that Chris Brown with the call Bill's radio.
Speaker 2: The Josh Allen eulogies premature, I repeats Josh Allen death
Speaker 2: notices not necessary at this team at this time. Following
Speaker 2: a four turnover season opening dud via the Jets, Allen
Speaker 2: got back.
Speaker 1: Josh Allen got.
Speaker 2: His groove back almost perfect and a thirty eight to
Speaker 2: ten route of the Raiders in Orchard Park, perfect get
Speaker 2: right opponent for the Bills and setting for Buffalo. I
Speaker 2: counted boys just one capitol D capitol p dumb play
Speaker 2: for Josh, and this one it was a scramble, I believe,
Speaker 2: a second down scramble where he attempted to leap frog
Speaker 2: the entire Las Vegas defensive line for a touchdown, but
Speaker 2: he was at like the five yard line when he
Speaker 2: attempted it.
Speaker 3: He did the same thing.
Speaker 5: I mean, if you want to check out our special
Speaker 5: you know ex'es and know his breakdown of it on NFL.
Speaker 3: Yeslus, I'm sure that'll get you excited.
Speaker 1: Yes, he did it again.
Speaker 2: He didn't fumble though, and he didn't fumble last time
Speaker 2: either on that play, but no fumbles of any kind.
Speaker 2: He played very well, completed his first thirteen attempts. Kind
Speaker 2: of reined it in, but kind of how you would
Speaker 2: want as a Bills fan to rein it in, where
Speaker 2: he wasn't overly aggressive. He was or just insane like
Speaker 2: he was at the Meadowlands, but also was still Josh Allen.
Speaker 2: And that's his twenty first game of his career with
Speaker 2: at least three touchdown passes. So Buffalo dominated this game.
Speaker 2: They finished one hundred and eighty three yards rushing, even
Speaker 2: though Allen just had seven himself.
Speaker 1: James Cooko, I think it's looked really good.
Speaker 2: Looked great last week too, looked good against the Jets,
Speaker 2: and looked excellent here. One hundred and twenty three rushing yards,
Speaker 2: the most by a Bills running back since insert name
Speaker 2: here had one fifty six in December twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3: Fred No, Fred Jackson, Lashawn McCoy. Oh, that was way past.
Speaker 1: And the Bills cruise. So nice win for Buffalo.
Speaker 2: It didn't start great by the way the Raiders opening
Speaker 2: kickoff go right down the field for a touchdown, but
Speaker 2: the game changed pretty quickly after that, and I believe
Speaker 2: the Bills ran close to fifty plays in Vegas territory.
Speaker 1: In this game. Wow, that gives you an idea of Well.
Speaker 4: There's a couple of things that I that I love
Speaker 4: about this That McDermott was very aggressive on offense and
Speaker 4: went for a bunch of fourth downs and I think
Speaker 4: four of them, and I think that Allen and crew
Speaker 4: converted three. I like that the defense was nasty, and
Speaker 4: the one thing that is just jumping out of me
Speaker 4: is that if you are the Raiders and you're gonna
Speaker 4: try to sneak wins here and there, you cannot have
Speaker 4: Josh Jacobs running for negative two yards off nine carries.
Speaker 4: Had Trey Tucker a wide out not bolted out around
Speaker 4: the end for thirty four yards whatever that play was.
Speaker 4: They ran the ball for twenty twenty one yards today
Speaker 4: off of fourteen other attempts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get to that often struggles to run back.
Speaker 4: Like when they were effective last year, what was it?
Speaker 4: It was Josh Jacobs. A couple of games where they
Speaker 4: just hammered teams away. It's like, it's cool you held out.
Speaker 4: I'm sure you were working out. I don't know what
Speaker 4: you were doing. But it's like we have not gotten
Speaker 4: the verse of Josh Jacobs that they were hoping for, and.
Speaker 5: Especially not the run blocking because they have the same
Speaker 5: they have the same line back. I thought I was
Speaker 5: actually too quick to be hard on Jacobs when I
Speaker 5: rewatched that game last week. I thought he moved, while
Speaker 5: he did catch five for fifty one this week, but yeah,
Speaker 5: they're not going to exist unless they have a running game.
Speaker 3: And it's surprised.
Speaker 5: It was surprising when they brought back the exact same
Speaker 5: offensive line, but they also played one of the best
Speaker 5: teams in the NFL over the last three years, consistently
Speaker 5: as angry I think as they possibly could be, and
Speaker 5: played well.
Speaker 3: This was Yeah, remember four eight Get right game?
Speaker 2: Remember fours Whittaker in Fast Times the Regiment High after
Speaker 2: they jacked up his car, the rival high school. That's
Speaker 2: going to be one of his earliest roles too, and
Speaker 2: I get it, you know, poor standing up.
Speaker 3: That was before our time.
Speaker 2: To be fair, well, it was before our time, but
Speaker 2: it was on TV a lot because it was a
Speaker 2: classic of the genre.
Speaker 1: But that's beside the point.
Speaker 2: Whittaker was the star like he was like the Micaeh
Speaker 2: Parsons of their high school. And then after the rival
Speaker 2: high school jacks up his car, he just destroys the
Speaker 2: team and that kills everybody on the team. That's what
Speaker 2: I thought about the Bills in general. And Josh Jacobs, yes,
Speaker 2: negative two yards in this game according to Elias first
Speaker 2: time since the merger. That a defending rushing champion had
Speaker 2: negative yardage in a game.
Speaker 1: That's not good.
Speaker 2: And I know he didn't jump out in week one,
Speaker 2: but I would be curious like what the next gen
Speaker 2: yards over expected or whatever they call it would be
Speaker 2: for him there because there was nowhere to go. This
Speaker 2: game was a mad, angry Super Bowl contender that was
Speaker 2: getting right against an inferior opponent and you just saw that.
Speaker 2: So I think that there will be better days for
Speaker 2: the Raiders offense and this team, but they just I
Speaker 2: think ran into a buzzsaw in Buffalo.
Speaker 3: Not surprise the Bill's defense did it.
Speaker 5: I think it's a great sign even with the competition
Speaker 5: against the Raiders at the Bill's offense was that dominant
Speaker 5: after that first three and out, Like they've either scored
Speaker 5: a touchdown or reached the Vegas one on every single drive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's outrageous.
Speaker 5: That is pure domination until they ran out the clock
Speaker 5: at the end of the game. That is pure domination.
Speaker 5: And I'm curious what they're doing with Hunter Renfro, like
Speaker 5: he never plays for them anymore. And I know he
Speaker 5: didn't really more this yeah this week, but that he
Speaker 5: feels like a tree.
Speaker 4: After like months of speculation that he'd be moved.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Max Crosby, by the way, was totally taken out
Speaker 1: of this game. They missed the Raiders.
Speaker 2: Chandler Jones and we talked about that they have a
Speaker 2: lot of stars the Raiders, but the depths not there
Speaker 2: and you need some other people to step up.
Speaker 1: Although the only flying the ointment.
Speaker 2: That we were laughing at other people in our company
Speaker 2: that picked against Tamar Hamlin to be Comeback Player of
Speaker 2: the Year. So how could anyone even think to name
Speaker 2: another person the man that we rely died on the field.
Speaker 2: We laughed at you for being so foolish, not remembering
Speaker 2: recent NFL history. Is a healthy scratch for the second
Speaker 2: straight week. That could be the only way he doesn't
Speaker 2: get it. Well, it's got to play. He's got to
Speaker 2: be on the roster.
Speaker 4: There were whispers that like it was a tough thing,
Speaker 4: but maybe because they were deep it safety that maybe
Speaker 4: he doesn't make the team. But it's kind of like
Speaker 4: you can't do that, So maybe it's sort of that
Speaker 4: I think he's not He's not the top guy.
Speaker 5: If you look at the roster, it totally makes sense.
Speaker 5: It's their deepest position. I would say the deepest safety
Speaker 5: position in the league, and they probably weren't counting on
Speaker 5: him initially when they were building it. But based on
Speaker 5: the way he played last year as like a great
Speaker 5: filling starter and a like a plus special team or
Speaker 5: he'll play. He's just gonna need someone in front of him.
Speaker 5: Just say put it out. Someone has to get hurt
Speaker 5: and we.
Speaker 1: Need a couple of game day actives. That's all.
Speaker 4: That's a completely logical statement.
Speaker 1: Or maybe we don't.
Speaker 3: James Cook, he's gonna be the better Cook this year.
Speaker 2: Maybe ye, maybe Matt Mulano by the way, again, still
Speaker 2: another interception. He's just he does things in terms of
Speaker 2: playmaking ability that not many other linebackers can do. Let's
Speaker 2: move on. Let's head to our next location, which is Tampa.
Speaker 22: Bears an Orange. Don't give up the big play ball too.
Speaker 22: Lo hers to the left. People well number two DJ
Speaker 22: hole Fields takes the staff up of the God, looks
Speaker 22: up to you, throws.
Speaker 1: It all up. You picked off by Shack Parrot at
Speaker 1: the water. He's in for a touchdown. Touchdown, tapaway nursed
Speaker 1: the takeaway.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they tried to run.
Speaker 1: That screen again.
Speaker 7: Shack Parrett hung at the line of scrimmage and was able.
Speaker 3: To snatch it one handed, and I got.
Speaker 1: Some help from his buddies and pushed him in the
Speaker 1: end zone.
Speaker 23: Jdeggar off wf us Shaq Barrett exclamation point on the
Speaker 23: victory for the Bucks to take it twenty seven to seventeen.
Speaker 1: Over the troubled like a troubled team.
Speaker 2: Troubled Chicago Bears fall twenty seven to seventeen on a
Speaker 2: day where Greg Baker again was cooking here and taking
Speaker 2: advantage of a Bear's team that isn't really gonna stop
Speaker 2: anybody right.
Speaker 3: Now, They're not.
Speaker 5: Baker was the more consistent, comfortable, don't say it, decisive,
Speaker 5: Oh no quarterback in this game, making big time plays.
Speaker 3: I mean his life is yes.
Speaker 2: This is justin Fields year three. We can't be saying
Speaker 2: that anymore? Well, are we saying that?
Speaker 4: Going off in the news month.
Speaker 5: I was really enjoying Baker Mayfield's performance because I can't
Speaker 5: remember him playing so smart and composed a long time.
Speaker 5: You got to give Dave Kanalis, who was with Gino
Speaker 5: last year, some credit here, but to compare the two.
Speaker 5: If Fields was on the Bucks, I kind of have
Speaker 5: no real doubt that he would be outperforming Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 5: I mean justin Fields for the most part didn't. He
Speaker 5: was very He was up and down today, but they
Speaker 5: don't know. They don't have a consistent running game that
Speaker 5: they stuck with. The defense is a total shambles, and
Speaker 5: like there's nothing that makes sense consistently on that. He's
Speaker 5: getting it in his head that like, this is my game,
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna run and we're not gonna call any
Speaker 5: design runs. That doesn't make any sense either, and hes
Speaker 5: stuck in the bucket. He made some really bad plays,
Speaker 5: but that wasn't one of them. That was James Harrison
Speaker 5: in the Super Bowl burning Kurt wardon. That was a
Speaker 5: great play by Shaq Barrett, and the other interception came
Speaker 5: on a contested catch when they were down ten.
Speaker 3: In the final drive.
Speaker 5: He had ups and downs, but the sad thing about
Speaker 5: that was he was coming off by far his best
Speaker 5: drive of the year, where he got them to within
Speaker 5: three points, and then the Bucks got a little conservative
Speaker 5: the next drive and then it was like here we go,
Speaker 5: two plus minutes to go. Fields has to drive to
Speaker 5: tie the game, and that's the first play and it
Speaker 5: was just the air being let out of the balloon,
Speaker 5: and it just feels like this Bears season is cursed.
Speaker 3: Two games in.
Speaker 2: Twelfth consecutive a loss for the Bears dating back to
Speaker 2: last season. It's a proud organization that's been around since
Speaker 2: the very beginning.
Speaker 1: That's a franchise.
Speaker 3: Records what what what?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I saw people comparing like the Baker Mayfield Mike Evans
Speaker 4: chemistry to what Evans had with Johnny Manzel back in college.
Speaker 4: But but I'd say this though, it's like it's certainly well,
Speaker 4: it's like it's certainly better than what we saw with
Speaker 4: Tom Brady, a kind.
Speaker 5: Of undersized quarterback who's like athletic but not quite an
Speaker 5: NFL after.
Speaker 2: But do you remember how frustrating, like we don't need
Speaker 2: we don't need to do that, But how frustrating was
Speaker 2: the Mike Evans tom Brady connection a year ago?
Speaker 1: Last year disjointed?
Speaker 4: I mean, I gotta get big or some credit because
Speaker 4: two games in a row, like you're getting this. He's
Speaker 4: such a variance factor, like you're getting the better version
Speaker 4: of so it's like good coaching or like he's grown
Speaker 4: mentally and not making some of the same decisions he
Speaker 4: used to.
Speaker 5: I mean, it helps one hundred percent that he played
Speaker 5: the Bears this week and who did they play in
Speaker 5: the vikings a week ago? But yeah, despite that, he's
Speaker 5: made he's played two pretty perfect games.
Speaker 3: This one was even better.
Speaker 5: Like he had a throw where he's rolling to his
Speaker 5: left and throws it up to Evans's beautiful throw. The
Speaker 5: long Evans play was an arm strength type of thing
Speaker 5: that the ball got there so quick that they couldn't
Speaker 5: react to it. Evans does look better this year. He's dinner,
Speaker 5: he's he's moving great. He has six for one untrack
Speaker 5: one and then there was one and this is where
Speaker 5: he won't get her away with it every play, and
Speaker 5: it was like the most Baker play of the game
Speaker 5: where he throws it sidearm wall falling down like a
Speaker 5: half inch of his knee above the ground and he
Speaker 5: hits it to set up like a closer field goal.
Speaker 5: That's not gonna happen every week. But he really is
Speaker 5: playing smart.
Speaker 2: And he's on a cler he's on a heater, and
Speaker 2: that's what makes him fun to watch. When he's on
Speaker 2: these I guess it's screaming to me, small sample size
Speaker 2: and this is not going to continue all year. I'll
Speaker 2: be the first one, I guarantee you guys to admit it.
Speaker 2: If Baker's doing this a month from now, then I'll
Speaker 2: be like, I'm shocked, But I need to see it
Speaker 2: against other than the Vikings and today's opponents.
Speaker 5: I'm I've I think killed Baker more than anyone on
Speaker 5: this podcast and not really been impressed with how he
Speaker 5: plays football.
Speaker 3: I've just been pleasantly surprised.
Speaker 5: I'm with you, but it gives me hope that maybe
Speaker 5: there's a medium here where he can be a little
Speaker 5: closer to like where a Geno Smith was a year ago,
Speaker 5: and give this Bucks team a chance.
Speaker 1: They are hang around of the division. If if he
Speaker 1: could do that, they will.
Speaker 3: They are to tozer.
Speaker 5: And I do want to tell Rashad White, who we
Speaker 5: really got on for his expected yards just compared to
Speaker 5: replacement the Hooding seventeen for seventy three today. I haven't
Speaker 5: looked at the numbers, but I think he ran quite well.
Speaker 4: I did well Bear's defense.
Speaker 1: But yes, you checked the yards over it.
Speaker 15: OK.
Speaker 5: I gotta say I did rewatch that game last week
Speaker 5: with that with that in mind, and he did leave
Speaker 5: a lot of yards on the field.
Speaker 3: There was a lot There was a lot.
Speaker 4: You were going to have like roaming mobs of criminal
Speaker 4: children in Chicago if this continues like you there just
Speaker 4: can't continue.
Speaker 5: Jakwan Brisker got hurt in this game. He was in
Speaker 5: and out. Eddie Jackson got hurt in this game. He
Speaker 5: was gone, so like a bad secondary lost more players,
Speaker 5: so that that was bad.
Speaker 1: We don't need that. Chicago doesn't need roaming mobs of children.
Speaker 4: Criminal children, criminals, bad intentions towards anything labeled Chicago bear.
Speaker 1: Do you want to see up Todd ball?
Speaker 5: I would, because all these you guys laughing about Todd Bowles.
Speaker 5: He still got Shaq Barrett, there, Levante David making plays.
Speaker 5: Winfield had a great game, and then you have the
Speaker 5: spirit of Todd Bowles getting the whole city at Tampa
Speaker 5: excited after the game.
Speaker 1: Let's hear this.
Speaker 24: Stars played big. We did a good job holding the
Speaker 24: ball keeping them out there. Obviously would like to be
Speaker 24: better in the red zone, but the most part we
Speaker 24: were operating running past. Game was pretty balanced that way.
Speaker 24: We had a good time of possession. We just got
Speaker 24: to punch him. Man got a field goal block. That's
Speaker 24: not a good thing. It wasn't perfect. Start to jail
Speaker 24: and win while we're yelling for us.
Speaker 3: Let's go Tampa, Let's go. I couldn't listen to that
Speaker 3: for fifteen You.
Speaker 1: Could see them.
Speaker 4: What a rousing impath they have as head coach, Greg
Speaker 4: Why did you do that to all of us?
Speaker 3: I think it was fun.
Speaker 5: He went for another fourth down today, by the way,
Speaker 5: and he got it good new balls.
Speaker 2: That's just doing what other coaches should be doing. Let's
Speaker 2: close things out with the trip Houston.
Speaker 1: It's a fumble recovery for Indianapolis.
Speaker 22: The call in the field was overturned, so the Colts
Speaker 22: have a fumble recovery and they take over at the
Speaker 22: Houston fifteen.
Speaker 4: Yard line, and running right.
Speaker 1: Side is Anthony Richardson. Fake the reverse, turns the corner.
Speaker 3: He's in touchdown.
Speaker 1: Touchdown.
Speaker 16: Indeed, why three rushing touchdowns in the first two games
Speaker 16: for Anthony Richardson. He faked the reverse and then took
Speaker 16: it off right side into the end zone from.
Speaker 1: Fifteen yards out.
Speaker 16: And the Colts have two touchdowns on their first two
Speaker 16: drives of the game.
Speaker 2: Kit or sweet there, Matt Taylor, good call, w f
Speaker 2: n Y Anthony Richardson the rookie rush for two touchdowns. Fortunately,
Speaker 2: On that play they believe or it's possible and quite
Speaker 2: likely probable. When he gets knocked to the turf in
Speaker 2: the end zone, he bangs the back of his helmet,
Speaker 2: which leads to his inability to pass concussion protocol, so
Speaker 2: he exits in the second quarter, does not come back.
Speaker 2: Gardner Minshew through four hundred and seventy one yards and
Speaker 2: a touchdown and relief, and the Colts coast to a
Speaker 2: thirty one to twenty win over the Texans.
Speaker 1: That's the first victory for Shane.
Speaker 2: Steichen and I am in on the Colts early on
Speaker 2: this season. I like what Stikeen's brought to this offense,
Speaker 2: a lot of Henry in Philadelphia, although I thought they
Speaker 2: looked better on Thursday Night. Overall about what Steiken's presence
Speaker 2: or absence means there, but I certainly see a difference
Speaker 2: with the Colts and the richardson side of it. Now
Speaker 2: it is two games he's played electrifying plays in both games.
Speaker 1: Two games he's exited with an injury. So it's something
Speaker 1: to watch.
Speaker 2: But overall, if you're a Colts fan, you're loving the
Speaker 2: trajectory here because the team is compelling and watchable.
Speaker 4: Right now, they are but the one thing about Richardson
Speaker 4: in general, it's like we don't have a simple size
Speaker 4: from any real tier of his career, and I guess
Speaker 4: you wouldn't go past beyond college, but like his style
Speaker 4: of and I kind of hate these arguments because I think,
Speaker 4: like it's always like, oh, Lamar Jackson's your only running
Speaker 4: the ball too much? Yawn, But like, like it's it's
Speaker 4: like you don't know how durable Richardson's body is. He's
Speaker 4: a giant, guys, powerful, he's physical. Two NFL games in
Speaker 4: a row, like you leave the game concerned about his health.
Speaker 2: Near the goal line where he's kind of selling himself
Speaker 2: out to score. Yeah, I think he's six three to six,
Speaker 2: And it's like, so it's not an issue of him
Speaker 2: his body size wise not being able to take the hits,
Speaker 2: but he's gonna take licks.
Speaker 1: And it's just unfortunate.
Speaker 2: And hopefully this is just an outlier and he'll play
Speaker 2: this upcoming week and and you won't have to be
Speaker 2: talking about this every week, because really the best case
Speaker 2: scenario here for the Colts is Richardson stays healthy and stiking,
Speaker 2: and Richardson continue to grow something here, and hell, maybe
Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor comes back and you have something really cooking
Speaker 2: with this offense, which is had it had its way
Speaker 2: here with Houston, they only they had an eighteen point
Speaker 2: lead at halftime. They manage one field goal after after that,
Speaker 2: but it didn't matter because the game was.
Speaker 5: Over and Gardner Minshew came in and kept moving the
Speaker 5: ball with him. And that's why with a concussion and
Speaker 5: a rookie quarterback, like you don't need to push him
Speaker 5: to play next week. If he's coming off a concussion,
Speaker 5: you can. You just got to be thinking long term.
Speaker 5: Gardner Minshew's starting is just fine for a week. I
Speaker 5: thought you noted on Twitter Dan that Richardson self reported,
Speaker 5: which is concerning that that's even necessary because you know,
Speaker 5: he's a guy in a very highly visible play. It
Speaker 5: was head slams against the turf and did he stay
Speaker 5: in the game for a little longer self report?
Speaker 1: Did?
Speaker 5: I mean that's an NFL total failure, Like we spent
Speaker 5: a week on two a tongue of Iiloa because it
Speaker 5: was just more dramatic, but it's the exact same thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was I guess tricky because there was I'm trying
Speaker 2: to think there was something else going on immediately after
Speaker 2: the play. Maybe he's a scrum that that directed other
Speaker 2: people's attention away from it. And even after he hits
Speaker 2: his head on the turf, he pops straight up. He
Speaker 2: does like a backye crolling. He's got his arms up
Speaker 2: and he's jogging him back. But obviously there were cobwebs
Speaker 2: and some issues cognitively that that were building or sustained
Speaker 2: after that moment, So I get that. I also I
Speaker 2: think sometimes it's it's quick to just say, look at
Speaker 2: the system failed.
Speaker 1: There's supposed to.
Speaker 2: Be a spot her on the sideline, But you're also
Speaker 2: if he's not woozy, if if he's it doesn't appear
Speaker 2: that he took a bad shot, how do you really
Speaker 2: It's hard to know.
Speaker 1: It's it's always going to be difficult.
Speaker 5: And I think that because you see so many plays
Speaker 5: every game that someone's head slams on the ground. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's like you should be checking a lot of them,
Speaker 5: and they're they're not checking.
Speaker 1: Like Josh Allen got hit on a head to head.
Speaker 2: You saw it eric a scramble where he again he
Speaker 2: probably should have gotten down, but then a second guy
Speaker 2: came in and smoked him and they threw the flag
Speaker 2: on it, and that's a helmet to helmet shot, and
Speaker 2: you know where should the game stop down there?
Speaker 1: Like how do you play? How do you play this?
Speaker 3: Or just take him out?
Speaker 4: It's a lot of it. Let's be real, it's optics
Speaker 4: because head collisions and stuff like this is happening every
Speaker 4: play to different positions. But when it's quarterback and we
Speaker 4: see something visibly that looks wrong, and it's like we're saying,
Speaker 4: oh a lot, a lot happened after the play. That's
Speaker 4: that's fine if coaches didn't see it or someone else,
Speaker 4: but like they have people designated to look for this.
Speaker 4: What was going on there?
Speaker 1: Well, like I said, he was showing those outward signs initially,
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I think it's just it's a tough judgment call in general,
Speaker 4: but like I don't know part of it is. I
Speaker 4: think what happened with TWA last year was like it
Speaker 4: became this inflame scenario. So it's like over protecting the
Speaker 4: whole thing, and now it's like it's not a story
Speaker 4: right now, but it will be soon enough.
Speaker 5: Do you put much into Stroud hooking up Nico Collins
Speaker 5: for one forty eight six woods for seventy four and
Speaker 5: tanked out for seventy two.
Speaker 3: I mean, yes, I Fantasy day.
Speaker 1: I really think that uh Stroud looked good in this game.
Speaker 2: Now, a lot of that chunk yardage was occurring when
Speaker 2: the game was kind of at hand. But you know what,
Speaker 2: when you have a this is two twenty one year
Speaker 2: old quarterbacks in this game going at it like any
Speaker 2: type of you need them on the field to develop,
Speaker 2: like I saw real quick, like Will McDonald, the Jets
Speaker 2: first round pick, was a healthy inactive today, and I'm
Speaker 2: just like scratching my head thinking to myself, I understand
Speaker 2: they're deep at d line, but you when you have rookies,
Speaker 2: they need to play to develops. So that was giving
Speaker 2: me some issues over there, Like you're seeing him get
Speaker 2: these even in garbage time, the ability to have success
Speaker 2: and throw the ball build confidence.
Speaker 1: He went over three hundred yards in this game.
Speaker 2: So yes, I think if you're the Texans on offense,
Speaker 2: you're feeling bullish about Stroud's development. I think one of
Speaker 2: the things I'm over in terms of storylines in our league.
Speaker 2: You know, well the Vikings or the Texans, well they
Speaker 2: have Mike Flores or Demico Ryans now, so they're going
Speaker 2: to be better on defense, Well, you need the players
Speaker 2: and you need the time in terms of the scheme,
Speaker 2: and the Texans are not better on defense right now,
Speaker 2: and it's going to continue to be a major issue
Speaker 2: for them, at least early in the season.
Speaker 4: I would say one thing about like Stroud's performance, It
Speaker 4: wasn't just over three hundred it was almost four hundred yards.
Speaker 2: The last one fifty or so really was just very
Speaker 2: soft coverage. But I don't want to go too crazy
Speaker 2: about it, but also is nice, but look.
Speaker 4: At his environment compared to like rookies that are put
Speaker 4: into a better situation. You don't have Larry mt Tunzel today.
Speaker 4: Their offensive line is like battered and not effective. Damian
Speaker 4: Pierce two point one yards per carry, thirty one total yards.
Speaker 4: They barely ran the ball, and so it's all on
Speaker 4: Stroud and he's getting it done and like your second
Speaker 4: NFL game, and like the one thing that's always consistent
Speaker 4: about him is like he's gonna throw a couple passes
Speaker 4: every performance where it's like there aren't that many people
Speaker 4: that look like that throwing the ball. I think it's
Speaker 4: just like a I enjoy watching him, just throw the ball.
Speaker 3: The trick it.
Speaker 5: I would say, like it's as good as in an
Speaker 5: O two start where you're not competitive in any other game.
Speaker 5: Can feel because you feel like, Okay, I think we've
Speaker 5: got our quarterback, because plenty of quarterbacks don't light it
Speaker 5: up in garbage tim or make the type of throws
Speaker 5: he did a week ago. But they don't know on
Speaker 5: their first round pick this year, so it's not the
Speaker 5: best way to start the season.
Speaker 3: You want to win at home against the Colts. That's
Speaker 3: one of the games on.
Speaker 5: The schedule where you were favored coming into the week
Speaker 5: of the line was really close. It's like when you
Speaker 5: don't on your first pick, it's gotta start feeling very uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: If the if the loss is pilot.
Speaker 1: I mean pick up CJ.
Speaker 2: Stroud in fantasy because they're probably gonna be playing from
Speaker 2: hopelessly behind a lot this season. Last last note on
Speaker 2: this game. It's about the telecast. Robert Smith.
Speaker 1: Not my cup of tea.
Speaker 4: Okay, for what name can you give me? One season?
Speaker 4: Just not not driving with you. It's not a mass He's.
Speaker 3: Been back in the mix now for a few years.
Speaker 1: It's not for me, maybe for you.
Speaker 4: No, I think it's like you are, maybe for America,
Speaker 4: maybe the world, yep subjective. I have the beholder great
Speaker 4: running back to Sunday Night Football, where's.
Speaker 3: The Ted, Miami host the running back, the.
Speaker 1: Hold large hole, pira hate Boster. Hey just put that
Speaker 1: into fourth year real quickly and it was over.
Speaker 2: Oh little car talk for Rosenthal, like get under the
Speaker 2: hood in the garage.
Speaker 3: In his spare time Memrio man'sman, I don't know anything.
Speaker 2: About cars either, Greg and Dan taking this one home tonight,
Speaker 2: Jimmy Cefalo and Joe Rose on the call for WBGG.
Speaker 2: The Miami passing game was the star in week one
Speaker 2: and week two is a running game that had its
Speaker 2: way with an opponent, this time the Patriots, who could
Speaker 2: not stop Mostered on that game icing, not exactly game icing.
Speaker 2: We'll get to that moment. A touchdown run one hundred
Speaker 2: and forty five yards on the ground for Miami in
Speaker 2: a twenty four seventeen win over the Patriots. New England
Speaker 2: falls to zero to two in excruciating fashion in the
Speaker 2: the Dolphins two and zero leading the AFC East early
Speaker 2: on GREGI, so the game seems over at that point
Speaker 2: after the Mostard score and it isn't though, because after
Speaker 2: they go up twenty four to ten, the Patriots get
Speaker 2: a touchdown I believe off a turnover or a defensive stop,
Speaker 2: and then.
Speaker 1: They have the ball.
Speaker 2: They're going down the field gregy, and just like last week,
Speaker 2: it was the completion that wasn't where it's ruled the
Speaker 2: completion and then they say.
Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa stop the clocks.
Speaker 2: Let's look at this, and they rule it incomplete, turnover
Speaker 2: opponent's ball. Pats lose again a crazy completion to the
Speaker 2: tight end. They flip back to Cole Strange, the lineman
Speaker 2: who appeared to get the first down. First down was
Speaker 2: given on the field and the who whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 2: whoa whoa wo stop the clocks. It is overturned upon review.
Speaker 2: That one stings.
Speaker 5: I question whether you had the right angle to determine that, definitely,
Speaker 5: because if the the camera is at an angle, how
Speaker 5: can you say that? So surely, but this loss, as
Speaker 5: annoying as that ending was, is actually easier to take
Speaker 5: for me than a week ago, where I think they
Speaker 5: were the better team and they you know, to use
Speaker 5: like a tom kerranism on their leg. That was a
Speaker 5: game they should have won. This is a game they
Speaker 5: felt lucky to be in, and that was one of
Speaker 5: those like crazy throw it back to the Tom Brady era,
Speaker 5: sort of miracle plays that would only happen during the
Speaker 5: Tom Patriot Tom Brady Patriot era, except now when it happens,
Speaker 5: you come a half yard short or as a week ago,
Speaker 5: you review it and it's an incomplete pass and like
Speaker 5: every good bit of mojo they had for two decades
Speaker 5: was used up, and Mac Jones is suffering, you suffering.
Speaker 1: For the Patriots, like.
Speaker 5: Hunter Henry's catch that was overturned in that Vikings game.
Speaker 5: I remember though in the past, like the National like
Speaker 5: Cognizante being like, wow, the Patriots were kind of jobbed
Speaker 5: one to play that never used to happen, and now
Speaker 5: it's happening all the time.
Speaker 3: But they did not deserve to win this game. And
Speaker 3: we can get to the reasons.
Speaker 1: Why How does it feel to no longer have magic
Speaker 1: on your side?
Speaker 5: It's okay they we uh over indexed as fans. I
Speaker 5: would say, I'm using we in the fans version. I
Speaker 5: hear you on that multiple deck.
Speaker 1: You know who did pee down their leg.
Speaker 2: I thought, in this and don't worry, Dolviins fans, this
Speaker 2: is gonna be about you and positive soon enough. But
Speaker 2: the only reason the Patriots even had a chance here
Speaker 2: is I thought Mike McDaniel, who I like.
Speaker 1: I love the guy. He's a funny dude.
Speaker 2: After he gives his halftime interview, he's on national television
Speaker 2: with like, I don't know how.
Speaker 1: Many people watch these games.
Speaker 2: I don't know, twenty million, something like that, one thousand million,
Speaker 2: big number.
Speaker 1: He sprints away, just looking insane.
Speaker 2: It was. It was wonderful at halftime. But in this game,
Speaker 2: they have a fourth and three at the New England
Speaker 2: thirty seven yard line with two nineteen to play, and
Speaker 2: they are up seven. And your offense was historically great
Speaker 2: in week one, and you're running the ball down the
Speaker 2: throats to New England in game two and you send
Speaker 2: out Jason Sanders for a fifty five year kick and
Speaker 2: Jason Sanders cannot make fifty yarders. The data backs it up,
Speaker 2: and sure enough he misses it by a mile wide left,
Speaker 2: and that's set up the Pats.
Speaker 1: And I thought that that was a situation.
Speaker 2: Where McDaniel blinked and it gave the Patriots a second
Speaker 2: life and they got away with it. But this should
Speaker 2: have never gotten to that point, and yet it did.
Speaker 2: But on the positive side of things, Greg, like you said,
Speaker 2: the Dolphins controlled this game from the start.
Speaker 1: They were the better team.
Speaker 2: And when you can now say Raheem Moster's a guy
Speaker 2: that can pop off for one twenty when our passing
Speaker 2: game is being held down a little bit, it shows
Speaker 2: you how deep and dangerous this offense is.
Speaker 5: Right McDaniel gets a little knock for that. I'm with
Speaker 5: you as someone rooting for New England. I was like,
Speaker 5: thank you, thank you for the field goal attempt. They
Speaker 5: have a better chance at this than stopping a three
Speaker 5: yard play. The only reason they stopped the third and
Speaker 5: one is because to a tongue Iiloa and his center
Speaker 5: messed up the exchange for the umpty in time this season,
Speaker 5: who is it McGovern or Connor Williams? Rather I confuse
Speaker 5: the Connors with who can play multiple positions. It had
Speaker 5: a couple other bad snaps that led to bad plays
Speaker 5: in this game, But this is so Unpatriot and I
Speaker 5: will puke the next time I hear someone says like,
Speaker 5: well these are They're just making sloppy, Unpatriots like mistakes.
Speaker 5: So they're de playing mental errors. That's not like the Patriots,
Speaker 5: It's exactly who they've been since the very moment Tom
Speaker 5: Brady left. Like they get penalized a lot. They make
Speaker 5: mental errors, that's just part of it. But what they
Speaker 5: have done better usually is run the ball and stop
Speaker 5: the run. That's that's Bill Belichick wants to do that.
Speaker 5: They didn't stop the run on Sunday night. They didn't
Speaker 5: run the ball well. And even though TOUA numbers don't great,
Speaker 5: I think Belichick threw some things at him and he
Speaker 5: had that interception. Man, he made a couple beautiful plays.
Speaker 5: He mostly made really good decisions. I think the first
Speaker 5: third down of the game, he steps up in the pocket,
Speaker 5: makes the right read where he a lot's being thrown
Speaker 5: at him, processing wise, and I think he handled it,
Speaker 5: let's say, better than Jalen Hurts did a week ago.
Speaker 5: The drive at the end of the first half was
Speaker 5: beautiful where they only have a couple minutes and he
Speaker 5: just has to go down the field and has a
Speaker 5: great throw to Burrio.
Speaker 3: So he still was the better quarterback.
Speaker 5: In this game, certainly, even though Mac Jones is better
Speaker 5: and they had the better running game. They outgained him
Speaker 5: by one hundred. They're the better team at least through
Speaker 5: two weeks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was interesting and remarked on when
Speaker 2: we were watching in the film room that Mac Jones,
Speaker 2: who's you know, you don't hang him the loss on
Speaker 2: mac Jones, but it's a lot of hard work for
Speaker 2: mac Jones. And it's strange to me to see a
Speaker 2: quarterback in the league now that doesn't feel like he's
Speaker 2: a highly athletic player. And so I think they're just
Speaker 2: they're just earthbound offensively, not because of him, but he's
Speaker 2: a a part of it. And Ramrodra Stevenson, who's supposed
Speaker 2: to be the dog of this team, he has been
Speaker 2: pretty quiet through two weeks. He averaged three point three
Speaker 2: yards Carrie in this game. That's only after they did
Speaker 2: a little bit of work later on in the second half.
Speaker 2: For the most part, he was totally bottled up. Zeke
Speaker 2: is not really a part of this offense right now either.
Speaker 2: So there are issues obviously with New England and it's
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be a season long situation.
Speaker 1: It won't be as I think they can improve. I
Speaker 1: think listen.
Speaker 2: I think they can improve, but I think last year
Speaker 2: was an outlier that they were kind of laughed at
Speaker 2: for how out of sync they were and poorly coached
Speaker 2: on offense. But I think it's going to be a
Speaker 2: grind for this team to score points for most of
Speaker 2: the year.
Speaker 5: I mean, if it doesn't improve, I have my doubts
Speaker 5: about Bill Belichick's future, but we can talk about that
Speaker 5: throughout the course of the season. I think it will
Speaker 5: improve because it needs to improve. When they're third and three,
Speaker 5: third and four, they can pick that up. If it's
Speaker 5: anything longer, they can't pick up. They didn't have a
Speaker 5: play over fourteen yards. Their longest play of the game,
Speaker 5: Dan was that catch that set up the fourth down,
Speaker 5: which Mike Goseki caught with one hand and then the
Speaker 5: Dolphins quarterback cater Co who had it with one hand,
Speaker 5: and then it would look like Julian Edelman in the
Speaker 5: Super Bowl. That was their longest play and that.
Speaker 1: Was fourteen yards.
Speaker 5: Fourteen freaking yards that moster I do want to just
Speaker 5: point out a couple of little sequences. So another time,
Speaker 5: like they got the Christian Gonzales interception in the middle
Speaker 5: of the fourth quarter at that point, they're only down seven.
Speaker 5: You think the place is going crazy. You think, okay,
Speaker 5: this is where they have a chance to make a run.
Speaker 5: And their next three plays was throw to Juju, who
Speaker 5: has this I'm the new free agent wide receiver with
Speaker 5: the Patriots look to him, which is not a good
Speaker 5: sign because usually when it starts bad, it doesn't get better.
Speaker 5: Incomplete pass to him than Andrew Van Ginkle, who will
Speaker 5: sign a huge contract to be a New England Patriot
Speaker 5: in a year, forces them into a long yarded situation
Speaker 5: with a big sack and then they just throw a
Speaker 5: mac Jones hope ball on third down and there's a
Speaker 5: lot of mac Jones down the field hope balls. Van
Speaker 5: Yinko had a force fumble earlier in the game. That
Speaker 5: to me, that's such a helling sequence of where they're at.
Speaker 5: Even though they're making plays like the mac Jones touchdown
Speaker 5: at the end of the game, one of them was
Speaker 5: on a play that was totally improvised and was a
Speaker 5: busted play and probably should have been penalized on the Patriots.
Speaker 3: And they didn't get all the bricks.
Speaker 2: And they got you know, tough, tough scheduling Eagles Dolphins,
Speaker 2: but owing two at home to start the season, and now,
Speaker 2: and we'll get to it. Now, they're in a kind
Speaker 2: of a wounded animal deathmatch going to the Metalands to
Speaker 2: face the Jets, and god that that.
Speaker 5: Jets are one and one, so technically they don't qualify
Speaker 5: for your.
Speaker 1: No, they do not. They're not a wounded animal.
Speaker 2: But also there's there's a depressing vibe around that game
Speaker 2: because it might be very similar to last year's Patriots
Speaker 2: Jets games, or it's like very low scoring, big time
Speaker 2: slog fest.
Speaker 1: And we'll see how that game goes.
Speaker 2: They absolutely need the game, and the Dolphins and they
Speaker 2: get Now they welcome Denver into their building and they're
Speaker 2: two and oh. So you know, I think it's funny
Speaker 2: with it. We talked about it all summer, at least
Speaker 2: I said it a lot. I think Mark said something
Speaker 2: similar that everybody was hyping up the Dolphins Jets, and
Speaker 2: one of those teams was going to get picked off
Speaker 2: by either just the hype monster or some type of injury.
Speaker 1: Sadly was my team.
Speaker 2: The Dolphins, on the other hand, they're the team that
Speaker 2: looks like they could be set up for a nice
Speaker 2: season here. They need to not get picked off by
Speaker 2: the injury. We know what I'm talking about when I
Speaker 2: say that, But right now, so far, so good.
Speaker 5: From my I just love what Mike mcdane's doing. He's
Speaker 5: stacking these creative little wrinkles. He's had it all week.
Speaker 5: All anyone talked about is a short motion that Tyreek
Speaker 5: Hill was doing, you know, from from either kind of
Speaker 5: inside the tackles and what kind of challenges the presented.
Speaker 5: And for the most part, the Patriots did well, but
Speaker 5: then he was playing off of that. That moster run
Speaker 5: partly came because they were so distracted by what Tyreek
Speaker 5: Hill was doing in the backfield, and the wattle big
Speaker 5: play that he had down the field was partly because
Speaker 5: they were distracted by what Tyreek Kill was doing. So
Speaker 5: I love mcdane just stacking nice play calls on top
Speaker 5: of nice play calls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's impressive when Tua can throw for four to
Speaker 2: sixty and you can go for two hundred, But maybe
Speaker 2: more dangerous to the rest of the AFC when they
Speaker 2: can win a game when Tyreek has forty yards.
Speaker 5: Only one wounded animal game will be on the Week
Speaker 5: three state that's low.
Speaker 3: That's a little weird, but it's Wounded be Wounded.
Speaker 5: It's ultimate wounded animal game, Wounded Wounded Chargers, Vikings. I mean,
Speaker 5: that's that's it, that's wounded or franchises, Wounded Centuries.
Speaker 1: Is it possible that they both lose?
Speaker 3: I want that I want that game.
Speaker 2: I think it's in play all right. Big Sunday Show,
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