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Speaker 1: day Break for Friday, March thirty. First coming up today.

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Speaker 1: For the first time ever, a former US president has

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Speaker 1: been indicted. Donald Trump could be arraigned on charges as

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Speaker 1: early as Tuesday. The former president calls it political persecution

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Speaker 1: and election interference, and we have complete team coverage. Straight ahead,

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Speaker 1: the NYPD searches for those responsible for drugging robbery victims,

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Speaker 1: straight ahead on Bloomberg day Break, The business news you

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Speaker 1: everywhere you get your podcasts. Good morning, I'm Nathan Hager

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Speaker 1: and I'm Cameron Moscow. Here are the stories we're following today.

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Speaker 1: It is a historic moment in American politics and law.

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Speaker 1: For the first time ever, a former US president is

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Speaker 1: facing criminal charges. A grand jury in Manhattan is going

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Speaker 1: ahead with a case against Donald Trump over hush payments

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Speaker 1: to a porn star during the twenty sixteen campaign. We

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Speaker 1: have team coverage for you this morning, beginning with Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: Politics contributor Jeanie she and Zano. She says this will

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Speaker 1: add fuel to a twenty twenty four campaign for Trump

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Speaker 1: that is already driven by grievance. His message has always

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Speaker 1: been not just that he's a victim, but that his

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Speaker 1: not just against him, but of them. And he always says,

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Speaker 1: to you. Bloomberg Politics contributor Geanie Sheanzano and former federal

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Speaker 1: prosecutor Robert Mintz says this is a big political gamble

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Speaker 1: for Manhattan's District Attorney Alvin Bragg. As a prosecutor, you

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Speaker 1: better have all your ducks lined up, all your facts,

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Speaker 1: all your witnesses that into place before you bring that indictment.

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, they are racing against the political

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Speaker 1: law firm McCarter in English. Former President Trump's lawyer says

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Speaker 1: his client could be arraigned as early as Tuesday. Well, Nathan,

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Speaker 1: just moments after the news broke, the former president came

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Speaker 1: details from Bloomberg's Jeff Bellinger. The former president came out

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Speaker 1: swinging when he learned of the indictment. Trump said Manhattan

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Speaker 1: District Attorney Alvin Bragg is behind a political witch hunt,

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Speaker 1: and he called the indictment quote political persecution and election

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Speaker 1: interference at the highest level in history. He went on

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Speaker 1: to say, quoting again, the American people realize exactly what

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Speaker 1: the radical left Democrats are doing here. Trump's attorney says

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Speaker 1: He has not been told about the specific charges. Jeff Bellinger,

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg day Break, Thank you, Jeff, And already Mike Pence

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Speaker 1: Penn says, Manhattan DA Alvin Bragg ran on prosecuting Donald

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Speaker 1: But I remember the old saying, you can indict a

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Speaker 1: ham Sandwich right the threshold. The burden of proof is

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Speaker 1: very low. Prosecutors make decisions, discretionary decisions about what they

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Speaker 1: six investigations in the next few days. In San Francisco,

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Speaker 1: we're also getting reaction from Capitol Hill as lawmakers worry

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Speaker 1: about the potential for violence in the wake of the indictment.

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Speaker 1: Amy Morris continues our coverage from the Bloomberg ninety nine

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Speaker 1: one newsroom in Washington. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer is

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Speaker 1: calling for peace by both Trump's critics and supporters. California

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Speaker 1: Democratic Congressman Eric Swalwell says the indictment is a somber

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Speaker 1: day for a Mary Erica and urged quote, let us

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Speaker 1: neither celebrate nor destroy Georgia. Republican Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene tweeted,

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Speaker 1: I'm Amy Morris Bloomberg Day Break. Thank you, Amy. So

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Speaker 1: now that this highly anticipated indictment has come down, what

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Speaker 1: our team coverage. In some respects, Trump will be treated

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Speaker 1: We spoke with former federal prosecutor Michael Zelden. Well, it'll

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Speaker 1: The numerous legal actions pending against the former president include

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Speaker 1: bar Good morning, Michael, Good morning, Nathan. The fallout continues

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Speaker 1: The twenty twenty four presidential race is now moving into

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Speaker 1: uncharted territory. For the first time, a former US president,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is facing a criminal indictment. Of course, Trump

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Speaker 1: the presidential race. Good morning, Nathan. Three points at the top. First,

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