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Speaker 1: of my interview with Connor, I spent two weeks catching

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Speaker 1: up on albums of his that are perennial favorites, or

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Speaker 1: albums that I missed, or albums and EPs I just

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Speaker 1: haven't heard in a long time, And in that two

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Speaker 1: Often his music gets pegged as being maybe only sad,

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Speaker 1: But Connor's music, whether it's with Bright Eyes, Deciparcidos, the

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Speaker 1: Mystic Valley Band, Monsters of Folk, Commander Venus, his solo works,

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Speaker 1: or his stuff with Phoebe Bridges, is not one dimensional.

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Speaker 1: It's dynamic. It's deeply smart, captivating, funny, sometimes biting, and

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Speaker 1: because it's a lovely blend of all these things, along

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Speaker 1: with yes, sometimes melancholy, it's above all joyful. His catalog

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Speaker 1: is also deceptively large, especially when considering it age, which

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Speaker 1: overwhelmed me a bit going into this conversation. Where do

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Speaker 1: you start with someone who's been making music and writing

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Speaker 1: songs at a high level since around nineteen ninety five?

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Speaker 1: And I guess the answer is you start at the beginning,

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Speaker 1: which is what we did. But I hope longtime fans,

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Speaker 1: new fans, and even people who've never given his music

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Speaker 1: a shot get a lot out of this episode. Connor's

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Speaker 1: a real force in music, and at the risk of

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Speaker 1: sounding trite all the way from his earliest records through

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Speaker 1: his latest five dices all threes, he's done it his way,

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Speaker 1: on his terms, and there's a lot to respect in that.

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Speaker 1: This is Broken Record liner notes for the digital age.

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Speaker 1: I'm justin Richmond. Here's my conversation with Connor Oberst and

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Speaker 1: to see the full video version of this episode, visit

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Speaker 1: YouTube dot com slash Broken Record Podcast or click the

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Speaker 1: link in the episode description. You spend more time in

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Speaker 1: la these days or more in Omaha?

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Speaker 2: Or it's probably half and half because we have the

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Speaker 2: studio here. I can't see you, but up through my

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Speaker 2: backyard there's a fence and Michael Mogus, who's in Bright

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Speaker 1: So and how long have you guys had that arrangement?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I guess it was like two thousand and six. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: almost twenty years.

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Speaker 1: What was the first stuff he recorded there? Do you remember?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think we recorded the tail end of Casadega,

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Speaker 3: I came out, I guess the next year two thousand seven.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of my favorite brid Eyes records. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I did see you on that tour though. Actually, now

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Speaker 2: I was the one we all had like the white

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Speaker 1: Felt like, yeah, these guys were up there kind of

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 1: You know, I been a fan of your output since

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Speaker 1: So after getting to the first couple of Bright Eyes Records,

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, he's like, this is live on Grass.

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Speaker 2: I was the guys. And then sure enough they put

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Speaker 2: So another reason not to ever you know, trust my rush.

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Speaker 3: So I actually all that stuff with like Grass and

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Speaker 2: We were like, I don't know, we just thought we

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Speaker 1: But you know, amount I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: like Jesus Christ, Like you know, it really is like

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00:24:12,196 --> 00:24:15,036
Speaker 1: listening to like Neil's Young's catalog or something like there's

436
00:24:15,076 --> 00:24:18,596
Speaker 1: shit that's like wildly different, but it's all kind of

437
00:24:18,716 --> 00:24:20,916
Speaker 1: a certain quality. None of it's like there's like a

438
00:24:20,916 --> 00:24:24,676
Speaker 1: baseline quality for everything. Nothing's like trash, you know, and

439
00:24:24,716 --> 00:24:27,156
Speaker 1: then there's some stuff that's just like like upside down Mountain.

440
00:24:27,196 --> 00:24:29,676
Speaker 1: It was just like a complete surprise, like I just

441
00:24:29,716 --> 00:24:32,316
Speaker 1: didn't know about it, and I didn't know. I don't

442
00:24:32,356 --> 00:24:34,276
Speaker 1: know what single thing about Jonathan Wilson, but I was

443
00:24:34,276 --> 00:24:36,556
Speaker 1: just kind of checking him out this week and because

444
00:24:36,636 --> 00:24:38,556
Speaker 1: I was just like that record blew me away.

445
00:24:39,276 --> 00:24:43,636
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you very much. That's uh Yeah, he's a

446
00:24:44,476 --> 00:24:48,476
Speaker 2: he's a magical man. He spent the last few years

447
00:24:48,476 --> 00:24:53,276
Speaker 2: playing in Roger Waters band and like the Big Crazy

448
00:24:53,356 --> 00:24:58,596
Speaker 2: World Tour and he uh he did uh David Gilmore's

449
00:24:58,636 --> 00:25:04,076
Speaker 2: like arts like sang the fucking like teenage dream come true.

450
00:25:04,116 --> 00:25:04,676
Speaker 3: For Wilson.

451
00:25:04,796 --> 00:25:09,516
Speaker 2: He was like in Pink Floyd for like that's insane. Yeah,

452
00:25:09,636 --> 00:25:12,556
Speaker 2: did you check the show out or you know, I'm

453
00:25:12,796 --> 00:25:15,436
Speaker 2: I regretted to this day he like I have like

454
00:25:15,476 --> 00:25:18,956
Speaker 2: a standing like come to any show, but like I

455
00:25:19,116 --> 00:25:21,476
Speaker 2: just I was never in like the right city when

456
00:25:21,476 --> 00:25:23,476
Speaker 2: it was happening. I should have just flown to do

457
00:25:23,596 --> 00:25:26,076
Speaker 2: it because everyone that saw I was like, oh, I know,

458
00:25:26,316 --> 00:25:31,076
Speaker 2: it's like the craziest thing. But I kind of blew it.

459
00:25:31,116 --> 00:25:35,836
Speaker 2: But yeah, I've heard a lot about stories about it.

460
00:25:36,116 --> 00:25:39,036
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just saw David Gilmour for the first

461
00:25:39,036 --> 00:25:41,876
Speaker 1: time a week ago, and uh, that kind of that

462
00:25:41,916 --> 00:25:43,956
Speaker 1: really blew me away. I wasn't expecting it to be

463
00:25:44,036 --> 00:25:47,196
Speaker 1: that that increase. It was really good. It was like,

464
00:25:47,356 --> 00:25:51,836
Speaker 1: really really good. Yeah, that's all. It's a strange thing

465
00:25:51,876 --> 00:25:55,436
Speaker 1: that they both tour and kind of play the same songs.

466
00:25:55,476 --> 00:25:58,036
Speaker 1: But yeah, and I think they're I think they hate

467
00:25:58,036 --> 00:25:59,836
Speaker 1: each other. I mean I have no, I don't. It's

468
00:25:59,876 --> 00:26:01,196
Speaker 1: not like I take a side. I just you know,

469
00:26:01,436 --> 00:26:03,036
Speaker 1: like he was around and actually had time, so I

470
00:26:03,076 --> 00:26:04,236
Speaker 1: was like, let me go to see what, you know,

471
00:26:04,316 --> 00:26:06,836
Speaker 1: what it's like, and it was. It was incredible. But yeah,

472
00:26:06,836 --> 00:26:08,556
Speaker 1: now I want to see Roger Waters and see without

473
00:26:08,596 --> 00:26:09,916
Speaker 1: you know, because I know, I don't even know if

474
00:26:09,916 --> 00:26:11,836
Speaker 1: he's going to do that anymore. But he was like

475
00:26:11,876 --> 00:26:14,476
Speaker 1: frying the pig out over the crack. The whole thing

476
00:26:14,636 --> 00:26:16,396
Speaker 1: was I want to say that, you know.

477
00:26:16,436 --> 00:26:22,676
Speaker 2: Yeah, they they're describing like the the well visual part

478
00:26:23,156 --> 00:26:26,916
Speaker 2: and like even like this, like the PA.

479
00:26:27,156 --> 00:26:29,436
Speaker 3: It was like something crazy like like.

480
00:26:29,436 --> 00:26:34,196
Speaker 2: The you know, biggest like most like high fi like

481
00:26:34,356 --> 00:26:38,476
Speaker 2: PA like ever like used kind of thing like he's

482
00:26:38,516 --> 00:26:41,716
Speaker 2: like you know, he's he's always been like I think,

483
00:26:41,756 --> 00:26:47,036
Speaker 2: into like technology and like the next thing. So I

484
00:26:47,076 --> 00:26:50,716
Speaker 2: think it. Yeah, now I'm just getting more sad that

485
00:26:50,796 --> 00:26:51,236
Speaker 2: I didn't go.

486
00:26:51,356 --> 00:26:54,676
Speaker 1: But man, sorry, would you would you do another record

487
00:26:54,716 --> 00:26:55,836
Speaker 1: with him?

488
00:26:56,076 --> 00:26:56,756
Speaker 3: Oh? For sure.

489
00:26:56,996 --> 00:27:01,876
Speaker 2: Yeah. He we used to actually be roommates in l A.

490
00:27:02,076 --> 00:27:08,156
Speaker 2: And then he he moved to Topanga and built like

491
00:27:08,236 --> 00:27:11,076
Speaker 2: a cool studio you out there, So I want to add,

492
00:27:12,076 --> 00:27:15,076
Speaker 2: great to go make a record there some time.

493
00:27:15,596 --> 00:27:20,756
Speaker 1: That's that's cool. The new record's really cool too. I

494
00:27:20,796 --> 00:27:23,036
Speaker 1: particularly love fell in love with the second half of it.

495
00:27:23,196 --> 00:27:24,596
Speaker 1: I kind of got stuck on a loop with the

496
00:27:24,596 --> 00:27:26,916
Speaker 1: first half of it when it first came out. Then

497
00:27:26,956 --> 00:27:29,036
Speaker 1: I graduated finally to the second half and I think,

498
00:27:29,196 --> 00:27:32,956
Speaker 1: like it just is like it's it's really good man.

499
00:27:33,556 --> 00:27:36,596
Speaker 1: Thank you listening back. You've collaborated with a lot of people.

500
00:27:37,156 --> 00:27:39,236
Speaker 1: I mean, you have Alex Orange, drink who you're co

501
00:27:39,276 --> 00:27:41,436
Speaker 1: writing a lot of record with. You haven't really done

502
00:27:41,436 --> 00:27:44,796
Speaker 1: a full album where you're co writing with someone on

503
00:27:44,796 --> 00:27:46,516
Speaker 1: a Bride Eyes record before.

504
00:27:46,876 --> 00:27:51,396
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, not on a not on a Bride Eye record.

505
00:27:51,836 --> 00:27:56,316
Speaker 2: I mean other than sometimes network musical stuff that Nate

506
00:27:56,436 --> 00:28:00,756
Speaker 2: and and Mogus do. But yeah, I mean I've been

507
00:28:00,796 --> 00:28:06,996
Speaker 2: in obviously like just Parcitos and like the Better Oblivion

508
00:28:07,156 --> 00:28:12,516
Speaker 2: Community Center with TV and Monsters of Folks, So I've

509
00:28:12,556 --> 00:28:16,996
Speaker 2: been in collaborations. But yeah, Bright Eyes for a long

510
00:28:17,036 --> 00:28:20,556
Speaker 2: time was just I just would bring the songs completed

511
00:28:20,676 --> 00:28:24,996
Speaker 2: and then we'd arrange them together. And yeah, this one

512
00:28:25,116 --> 00:28:28,516
Speaker 2: just it was kind of just happenstance, like Alex was

513
00:28:28,556 --> 00:28:32,756
Speaker 2: staying with me in LA and just I don't know,

514
00:28:33,076 --> 00:28:35,556
Speaker 2: I was kind of in a weird spot and wasn't

515
00:28:35,556 --> 00:28:40,036
Speaker 2: really writing, and he got the ball rolling and so yeah,

516
00:28:40,036 --> 00:28:43,036
Speaker 2: he's a big reason why the record got made.

517
00:28:43,076 --> 00:28:45,996
Speaker 1: You know, So were you even thinking about writing or

518
00:28:45,996 --> 00:28:47,556
Speaker 1: were you like trying to write and couldn't and then

519
00:28:47,556 --> 00:28:48,036
Speaker 1: that's how it.

520
00:28:48,636 --> 00:28:50,036
Speaker 3: I wasn't really thinking about it.

521
00:28:50,396 --> 00:28:53,156
Speaker 2: I was just like, I don't know, I go as

522
00:28:53,196 --> 00:28:56,916
Speaker 2: sometimes I go through well a lot of you know,

523
00:28:57,916 --> 00:29:04,516
Speaker 2: mental whatever ups and downs, and you know, I definitely

524
00:29:04,556 --> 00:29:10,476
Speaker 2: suffered from like what's the point of all this, like

525
00:29:10,516 --> 00:29:13,836
Speaker 2: not just music, like of everything, you know, so of

526
00:29:13,876 --> 00:29:17,556
Speaker 2: all life. Yeah, I mean basically. But I mean I've

527
00:29:17,556 --> 00:29:20,676
Speaker 2: always been like that, so it's not really anything new.

528
00:29:20,756 --> 00:29:26,156
Speaker 2: But sometimes yeah, I get a little paralyzed and you

529
00:29:26,236 --> 00:29:29,476
Speaker 2: gotta It's why it's good to have friends to shake

530
00:29:29,556 --> 00:29:32,716
Speaker 2: you out of it and you know, get back at it.

531
00:29:33,356 --> 00:29:36,796
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Does it still take you by surprise, like

532
00:29:36,836 --> 00:29:38,916
Speaker 1: when when that happens like that feeling?

533
00:29:40,316 --> 00:29:41,796
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean.

534
00:29:43,076 --> 00:29:46,596
Speaker 2: I think music is a to me. It's still like

535
00:29:46,636 --> 00:29:51,036
Speaker 2: a mystery because it's like if I could sit down

536
00:29:51,116 --> 00:29:53,836
Speaker 2: and write a great song that I was proud of,

537
00:29:53,916 --> 00:29:56,836
Speaker 2: like every day, I'd be doing it, you know, but

538
00:29:57,436 --> 00:30:00,116
Speaker 2: I just it's not it doesn't work that way. It's

539
00:30:00,196 --> 00:30:03,356
Speaker 2: kind of you got to like wait for like the

540
00:30:03,436 --> 00:30:07,516
Speaker 2: tide to come in and it's all like waves and

541
00:30:07,996 --> 00:30:12,396
Speaker 2: you know of it. I find that like I don't

542
00:30:12,396 --> 00:30:17,076
Speaker 2: really write if I'm having like a sort of heightened

543
00:30:17,316 --> 00:30:22,396
Speaker 2: emotional or like mental experience good or bad, I don't

544
00:30:22,436 --> 00:30:27,196
Speaker 2: really I don't feel like writing. It's more like in

545
00:30:27,276 --> 00:30:30,316
Speaker 2: like the ordinary times when I have the ability to

546
00:30:30,396 --> 00:30:34,276
Speaker 2: like look back at things and see it from a

547
00:30:34,356 --> 00:30:38,796
Speaker 2: more like objective state of mind. I like, I like

548
00:30:38,876 --> 00:30:43,556
Speaker 2: to write lyrics from that place because well, I just

549
00:30:43,596 --> 00:30:48,716
Speaker 2: think they're better. I mean I have written songs like

550
00:30:49,116 --> 00:30:53,916
Speaker 2: when in the height of whatever, being in despair or

551
00:30:53,916 --> 00:30:56,516
Speaker 2: like being in love or something, you know, but I

552
00:30:56,556 --> 00:30:59,316
Speaker 2: feel like I always in the like worse than the

553
00:30:59,356 --> 00:31:02,236
Speaker 2: ones that are a little more like I mean, not

554
00:31:02,316 --> 00:31:06,236
Speaker 2: like clinical, but just like have like a perspective that

555
00:31:07,716 --> 00:31:11,396
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know a little after the fact.

556
00:31:11,876 --> 00:31:15,236
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly are there are there songs that have made

557
00:31:15,356 --> 00:31:18,556
Speaker 1: records that have been written at the highest size or

558
00:31:18,556 --> 00:31:19,356
Speaker 1: lowest lowser.

559
00:31:20,876 --> 00:31:24,636
Speaker 2: Sure, I'm trying to think, like, well, I mean one

560
00:31:24,916 --> 00:31:30,196
Speaker 2: kind of obvious example is that when the president talks

561
00:31:30,236 --> 00:31:32,476
Speaker 2: to God, so like I just wrote that A is

562
00:31:32,556 --> 00:31:35,516
Speaker 2: like I was pissed off and it was like a

563
00:31:35,556 --> 00:31:37,876
Speaker 2: commercial for like a way of thinking. It's not a

564
00:31:37,916 --> 00:31:41,116
Speaker 2: good song at all. But it was like I was

565
00:31:41,156 --> 00:31:45,636
Speaker 2: booked on Jay Leno and I was like, I want

566
00:31:45,636 --> 00:31:49,236
Speaker 2: to do something. I don't want to just like play

567
00:31:50,516 --> 00:31:52,036
Speaker 2: first Day of my Life, you know what I mean.

568
00:31:52,156 --> 00:31:57,236
Speaker 2: I was like I thought things mattered and splaining like

569
00:31:57,556 --> 00:32:01,436
Speaker 2: political world. So yeah, I got my tour manager at

570
00:32:01,436 --> 00:32:03,356
Speaker 2: the time, Like I did the sound check for that

571
00:32:04,316 --> 00:32:07,956
Speaker 2: just like in my hoodie like normal like me. And

572
00:32:07,996 --> 00:32:10,236
Speaker 2: then in between me and that, in the shell, I

573
00:32:10,316 --> 00:32:13,356
Speaker 2: was like Bill, this guy Bill Sullivan was my tour

574
00:32:13,396 --> 00:32:16,036
Speaker 2: manager at the time. I was like, Bill, Man, I

575
00:32:16,036 --> 00:32:16,636
Speaker 2: don't know about this.

576
00:32:16,996 --> 00:32:19,476
Speaker 3: Can you give me like a Cowboys sudent?

577
00:32:20,196 --> 00:32:22,836
Speaker 2: And He's like like if we were in La so

578
00:32:22,916 --> 00:32:25,876
Speaker 2: he like, you know, it's easy to get order.

579
00:32:26,436 --> 00:32:26,636
Speaker 1: Yeah.

580
00:32:26,796 --> 00:32:31,396
Speaker 2: So I put on the Ryan Stones and went out there.

581
00:32:31,436 --> 00:32:35,076
Speaker 3: And my theory was like I'm singing this song.

582
00:32:35,116 --> 00:32:38,316
Speaker 2: It's like anti Bush song, and it'll be like some

583
00:32:38,396 --> 00:32:42,196
Speaker 2: guy in like the Midwest to the South, like kind

584
00:32:42,196 --> 00:32:42,956
Speaker 2: of half watching.

585
00:32:43,036 --> 00:32:46,596
Speaker 3: J Leno was like, you know it real quiet and

586
00:32:46,676 --> 00:32:47,836
Speaker 3: be like hey honey.

587
00:32:47,516 --> 00:32:49,956
Speaker 2: And like this Scott looks all right, turn this up.

588
00:32:52,476 --> 00:32:53,796
Speaker 3: So I don't know.

589
00:32:55,156 --> 00:32:57,276
Speaker 1: What was that. Do you remember what the reception to

590
00:32:57,316 --> 00:32:57,796
Speaker 1: that was.

591
00:32:58,476 --> 00:33:02,436
Speaker 2: I mean it was it was like, just like you

592
00:33:02,556 --> 00:33:07,316
Speaker 2: expect the people that were on that side of the

593
00:33:07,356 --> 00:33:14,756
Speaker 2: political divide, it was great. And everyone that wasn't, you know,

594
00:33:14,996 --> 00:33:19,236
Speaker 2: just tried their best to like make fun of me

595
00:33:19,636 --> 00:33:21,516
Speaker 2: and all.

596
00:33:21,316 --> 00:33:23,876
Speaker 3: That stuff, you know, And that was that.

597
00:33:24,076 --> 00:33:25,956
Speaker 2: I mean, that was right in the middle of kind

598
00:33:25,996 --> 00:33:30,756
Speaker 2: of like right away, so it was pretty There was

599
00:33:30,796 --> 00:33:33,556
Speaker 2: a lot of whatever, I guess.

600
00:33:34,836 --> 00:33:37,676
Speaker 3: People with opinions around that time.

601
00:33:39,836 --> 00:33:42,116
Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more from Connor Oberst after

602
00:33:42,116 --> 00:33:49,596
Speaker 1: the break. We're back with more from Connor Oberst. Do

603
00:33:49,676 --> 00:33:53,436
Speaker 1: you remember people saying like the second coming of Bob Dylan?

604
00:33:57,876 --> 00:34:02,836
Speaker 2: Yes, and you know, obviously we all know that that's

605
00:34:02,916 --> 00:34:07,236
Speaker 2: like a ridiculous thing to say about anyone, and then.

606
00:34:07,156 --> 00:34:08,876
Speaker 3: Said about a lot of people.

607
00:34:09,116 --> 00:34:12,516
Speaker 2: Actually, my booking agent, who's been my booking agent for

608
00:34:12,596 --> 00:34:15,436
Speaker 2: like twenty years, he gave me this. It was like

609
00:34:15,476 --> 00:34:17,676
Speaker 2: from the New York Post and it was like around

610
00:34:17,756 --> 00:34:20,196
Speaker 2: at the same time. It's like a framed article or

611
00:34:20,236 --> 00:34:22,876
Speaker 2: you put it in a frame like an article. You

612
00:34:23,036 --> 00:34:26,156
Speaker 2: just said, picture of me, and it's a Dylan wanna

613
00:34:26,236 --> 00:34:27,996
Speaker 2: be So I got that like framed.

614
00:34:30,156 --> 00:34:32,716
Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of those two, So that's cool.

615
00:34:34,796 --> 00:34:39,596
Speaker 2: But yeah, that guy's one of the crimes. I don't

616
00:34:39,636 --> 00:34:41,596
Speaker 2: think there's any worry about that.

617
00:34:42,436 --> 00:34:44,996
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I remember even just thinking like, wow,

618
00:34:45,156 --> 00:34:49,436
Speaker 1: how do you you know, like getting like the attention

619
00:34:50,356 --> 00:34:55,236
Speaker 1: the record was getting the critical and sort of the

620
00:34:55,236 --> 00:34:58,716
Speaker 1: polarizing opinion of like when the president talks to God,

621
00:34:58,756 --> 00:35:01,236
Speaker 1: and then like yeah, just being called the New Day,

622
00:35:01,276 --> 00:35:03,316
Speaker 1: it was just like wow, that is fucking nuts.

623
00:35:03,836 --> 00:35:07,236
Speaker 2: Yeah it was. It was definitely like, you know, a

624
00:35:07,396 --> 00:35:10,436
Speaker 2: mind fuck for sure, and just like I mean, I'm

625
00:35:10,556 --> 00:35:15,316
Speaker 2: kind of lucky, I feel like because what happened to

626
00:35:15,396 --> 00:35:19,196
Speaker 2: me was like every stage, it was very gradual, from

627
00:35:19,276 --> 00:35:22,316
Speaker 2: like you know, command evenings, high school all the way.

628
00:35:22,356 --> 00:35:26,676
Speaker 2: Everything kind of kept building and so it wasn't like

629
00:35:26,716 --> 00:35:29,236
Speaker 2: it was an overnight thing, because I think that's what

630
00:35:29,316 --> 00:35:33,236
Speaker 2: really makes people go crazy. Like I just every record

631
00:35:33,276 --> 00:35:35,716
Speaker 2: we put out, like feld a little more and the

632
00:35:35,836 --> 00:35:38,716
Speaker 2: two of the shows got a little bigger. So I

633
00:35:38,756 --> 00:35:42,716
Speaker 2: guess by the time that was happening, I was somewhat

634
00:35:42,956 --> 00:35:47,996
Speaker 2: prepared for it already, but it was still still very surreal.

635
00:35:48,316 --> 00:35:54,676
Speaker 2: And you know, also like that realization at some point

636
00:35:54,836 --> 00:35:59,356
Speaker 2: that it's like this is my livelihood. And it's like

637
00:35:59,436 --> 00:36:02,476
Speaker 2: also like you know, just some degree, it's a business.

638
00:36:02,516 --> 00:36:06,196
Speaker 2: Like a lot of people, you know, count on me

639
00:36:06,436 --> 00:36:12,356
Speaker 2: to make music because I make money that they need,

640
00:36:12,676 --> 00:36:15,476
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, yeah, and like it's like a weird

641
00:36:15,556 --> 00:36:17,996
Speaker 2: you know, you lose a lot of innocence and so

642
00:36:18,196 --> 00:36:22,396
Speaker 2: you it's like you gotta I try to like replenish

643
00:36:22,436 --> 00:36:24,716
Speaker 2: that somehow. How much do you.

644
00:36:24,636 --> 00:36:27,276
Speaker 1: Think about that, like the the I guess, just the

645
00:36:27,316 --> 00:36:29,836
Speaker 1: way that people might depend on you, the way people

646
00:36:29,876 --> 00:36:32,796
Speaker 1: would depend on a corporation for you know, it's like

647
00:36:32,836 --> 00:36:35,036
Speaker 1: not not that depends on you in a bad way,

648
00:36:35,116 --> 00:36:36,596
Speaker 1: but how often do you think about that like that?

649
00:36:36,636 --> 00:36:37,756
Speaker 1: There are people who.

650
00:36:38,636 --> 00:36:40,676
Speaker 3: I mean I think about it a lot.

651
00:36:40,876 --> 00:36:45,516
Speaker 2: You know, when we tour, it's like there's obviously the

652
00:36:45,596 --> 00:36:48,276
Speaker 2: band that there's all kinds of people that work on

653
00:36:48,356 --> 00:36:52,036
Speaker 2: the tours and the labels too. You know, I'm not

654
00:36:52,076 --> 00:36:54,396
Speaker 2: really like working for any kind of faceless thing that

655
00:36:54,476 --> 00:36:57,036
Speaker 2: I can be like, I don't care what happens to them,

656
00:36:57,436 --> 00:37:03,516
Speaker 2: you know, all like intertwined with my actual life. So yeah,

657
00:37:03,596 --> 00:37:07,756
Speaker 2: there's times when I would maybe not do something, but

658
00:37:08,836 --> 00:37:14,116
Speaker 2: I'd like people need like people need the money mogus.

659
00:37:14,596 --> 00:37:15,716
Speaker 2: There's always worried.

660
00:37:15,516 --> 00:37:20,956
Speaker 1: About mocuss things going on though, right Yeah.

661
00:37:20,676 --> 00:37:25,596
Speaker 2: No, yeah, those guys, those guys can I mean, they

662
00:37:25,596 --> 00:37:26,276
Speaker 2: don't need meat.

663
00:37:26,596 --> 00:37:27,156
Speaker 1: But uh.

664
00:37:28,676 --> 00:37:33,276
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like my dad's like been my business.

665
00:37:33,316 --> 00:37:35,476
Speaker 2: Like he used to work at Mutual Roma when I

666
00:37:35,516 --> 00:37:38,596
Speaker 2: was a kid, and then as soon as I got

667
00:37:38,916 --> 00:37:42,356
Speaker 2: enough stuff going on, because he already did.

668
00:37:42,236 --> 00:37:44,436
Speaker 3: My taxes just because he's like my dad, you know.

669
00:37:45,436 --> 00:37:49,036
Speaker 2: But I like, I was, like, everyone was like, you

670
00:37:49,036 --> 00:37:51,556
Speaker 2: need a business manager, and like, you know, there's people

671
00:37:51,556 --> 00:37:53,796
Speaker 2: that'll do that for like five percent of your income.

672
00:37:53,836 --> 00:37:54,796
Speaker 3: That's what most people do.

673
00:37:55,276 --> 00:37:58,076
Speaker 2: And I don't know if I want a stranger like

674
00:37:58,116 --> 00:38:01,836
Speaker 2: with all my bank passwords and all my stuff, you know,

675
00:38:02,116 --> 00:38:04,356
Speaker 2: like my mortgages and shit.

676
00:38:04,516 --> 00:38:04,756
Speaker 3: You know.

677
00:38:05,476 --> 00:38:10,196
Speaker 2: So I was like, Dad, you just help pay you salary,

678
00:38:11,036 --> 00:38:14,236
Speaker 2: you do this, and so quit his job. I mean

679
00:38:14,236 --> 00:38:18,956
Speaker 2: I was, I will like yeah around then two thousand

680
00:38:18,996 --> 00:38:21,196
Speaker 2: and four or five, you know, and he'd been going

681
00:38:21,956 --> 00:38:25,916
Speaker 2: to that same sad building for like my whole life.

682
00:38:25,956 --> 00:38:29,396
Speaker 2: So that's one thing I'm like proud of that. He

683
00:38:30,596 --> 00:38:33,876
Speaker 2: just gotta like, you know, deal with my stuff and

684
00:38:33,956 --> 00:38:38,436
Speaker 2: like have like more time to show. And he likes

685
00:38:38,556 --> 00:38:41,276
Speaker 2: being around, you know. He likes to know, like what's

686
00:38:41,356 --> 00:38:42,836
Speaker 2: up with the music and you.

687
00:38:42,796 --> 00:38:44,796
Speaker 1: Know your parents music people.

688
00:38:45,316 --> 00:38:47,676
Speaker 2: My dad was a musician. Yeah, he like played in

689
00:38:47,796 --> 00:38:52,276
Speaker 2: like I mean, I guess semi professionally because it was

690
00:38:52,316 --> 00:38:55,076
Speaker 2: like his side gig to his actual job.

691
00:38:55,156 --> 00:38:56,436
Speaker 3: But he would play.

692
00:38:56,356 --> 00:38:59,476
Speaker 2: Like in like wedding bands and you know it's like

693
00:38:59,596 --> 00:39:03,676
Speaker 2: cover bands. And my mom was not a musician, but

694
00:39:03,676 --> 00:39:06,076
Speaker 2: there was always music at my house and my oldest

695
00:39:06,076 --> 00:39:09,476
Speaker 2: brother played in bands. So I was lucky I didn't

696
00:39:09,476 --> 00:39:13,996
Speaker 2: have to like go you know search. You know, I

697
00:39:14,036 --> 00:39:15,996
Speaker 2: didn't like get my first guitar. There was just like

698
00:39:16,076 --> 00:39:19,516
Speaker 2: guitars in my house, like from when I was born.

699
00:39:19,676 --> 00:39:23,516
Speaker 1: So it did everyone have different music like your three

700
00:39:23,516 --> 00:39:25,516
Speaker 1: brothers and your mom and dad liked, everyone have their

701
00:39:25,516 --> 00:39:27,076
Speaker 1: own kind of thing that we're listening to.

702
00:39:27,916 --> 00:39:30,556
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean my mom and dad, you know, they

703
00:39:30,596 --> 00:39:35,396
Speaker 2: were fully like right there, like seventies for you know,

704
00:39:35,516 --> 00:39:40,436
Speaker 2: Jackson Brown, Joni Mitchell, Neil Young all that type of

705
00:39:40,476 --> 00:39:45,916
Speaker 2: thing and Dire Straits and Steely Dan. And my oldest brother,

706
00:39:46,116 --> 00:39:51,076
Speaker 2: Maddie was like into like, you know, I guess eighties

707
00:39:51,596 --> 00:39:58,396
Speaker 2: alternative you know, Rim Smith here whatever, all that kind

708
00:39:58,476 --> 00:40:03,116
Speaker 2: of like one hundred and twenty minutes like and that's so.

709
00:40:03,516 --> 00:40:07,516
Speaker 2: But he was like six years older than me. So

710
00:40:07,596 --> 00:40:11,476
Speaker 2: and then my brother justin real close in age. We

711
00:40:11,636 --> 00:40:15,196
Speaker 2: kind of liked all that stuff. But then we sort

712
00:40:15,236 --> 00:40:19,916
Speaker 2: of found like like the North Carolina stuff like Super

713
00:40:20,036 --> 00:40:24,556
Speaker 2: Chunk and like I meant, the DC stuff for Gauzi,

714
00:40:24,716 --> 00:40:28,156
Speaker 2: and I don't even remember all the all the things

715
00:40:28,156 --> 00:40:30,676
Speaker 2: but that was like the things we learned about at

716
00:40:30,716 --> 00:40:34,516
Speaker 2: the record store, and then also like older records like

717
00:40:34,556 --> 00:40:39,116
Speaker 2: getting into like Poundsman's Aunt and John Prime and Lennon Cohen,

718
00:40:39,356 --> 00:40:43,596
Speaker 2: you know, things that were of the time that my

719
00:40:43,636 --> 00:40:46,876
Speaker 2: parents would listen to, but they weren't really that hit,

720
00:40:47,476 --> 00:40:50,116
Speaker 2: you know, they kind of commercial stuff.

721
00:40:50,156 --> 00:40:52,596
Speaker 1: But right I don't want to let I want to

722
00:40:52,596 --> 00:40:54,436
Speaker 1: go I want to talk about some songs to the

723
00:40:54,476 --> 00:40:55,836
Speaker 1: new record, but I want to go back to that

724
00:40:55,836 --> 00:40:58,236
Speaker 1: feel like I let it drop. Did you write when

725
00:40:58,236 --> 00:41:01,916
Speaker 1: the President talks to God? For like that was specifically

726
00:41:01,956 --> 00:41:03,476
Speaker 1: for that I guess.

727
00:41:03,236 --> 00:41:07,036
Speaker 2: It wasn't for Leno, but it was after the election.

728
00:41:08,156 --> 00:41:14,756
Speaker 2: Actually went to Europe to to do press for like

729
00:41:14,796 --> 00:41:17,756
Speaker 2: the two records, Wide Awake and Visual Ash, Like it

730
00:41:17,876 --> 00:41:19,476
Speaker 2: was like a press tour, but I was playing like

731
00:41:19,556 --> 00:41:23,436
Speaker 2: little acoustics shows like as part of the press stuff.

732
00:41:24,436 --> 00:41:27,836
Speaker 2: I remember I wrote it like on a faery because

733
00:41:28,636 --> 00:41:31,716
Speaker 2: I wanted to play something that like acknowledged it because

734
00:41:32,556 --> 00:41:34,396
Speaker 2: like I don't know if you remember back then, but

735
00:41:35,556 --> 00:41:37,956
Speaker 2: there was a you know, I guess it's a good

736
00:41:38,036 --> 00:41:40,996
Speaker 2: lesson for right now. It definitely it felt like the

737
00:41:41,116 --> 00:41:42,916
Speaker 2: end of the world kind of like I had gone

738
00:41:42,916 --> 00:41:46,156
Speaker 2: on tour with like Springsteen and like rim like vote

739
00:41:46,156 --> 00:41:49,516
Speaker 2: for change. You know, we're going hard for like Carrie

740
00:41:49,596 --> 00:41:57,356
Speaker 2: if you can imagine that. But yeah, it was it

741
00:41:57,636 --> 00:42:01,596
Speaker 2: saw anyone wanted to talk about was like how crazy

742
00:42:01,636 --> 00:42:04,716
Speaker 2: it was that Bush got reelected, you know and now

743
00:42:04,756 --> 00:42:08,036
Speaker 2: we've just now you look back at Bush and you're like, oh,

744
00:42:08,236 --> 00:42:09,116
Speaker 2: the good old days.

745
00:42:09,796 --> 00:42:12,116
Speaker 1: I know it it's so point man, it's like what

746
00:42:12,156 --> 00:42:12,556
Speaker 1: the fuck?

747
00:42:13,756 --> 00:42:17,116
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then like Leen, I was like I'll be

748
00:42:17,156 --> 00:42:21,156
Speaker 2: like right, you know, close to when I got back.

749
00:42:21,316 --> 00:42:21,596
Speaker 1: It was.

750
00:42:21,636 --> 00:42:26,556
Speaker 3: It was definitely like the Wide Awake tour because I.

751
00:42:26,476 --> 00:42:29,796
Speaker 2: Remember because they were like, really want me to play

752
00:42:29,876 --> 00:42:32,116
Speaker 2: First Day of My Life? And I was like, no,

753
00:42:32,236 --> 00:42:34,036
Speaker 2: I want to play this song and they're like it's

754
00:42:34,076 --> 00:42:37,196
Speaker 2: not on a record, and and it kind of went.

755
00:42:37,076 --> 00:42:39,716
Speaker 3: Up the the.

756
00:42:39,196 --> 00:42:43,596
Speaker 2: Chain of command. But yeah, so it went up and

757
00:42:43,636 --> 00:42:47,556
Speaker 2: they cleared it. And I remember that night before the

758
00:42:47,676 --> 00:42:52,036
Speaker 2: show or before the paping, like Leno came and knocked

759
00:42:52,076 --> 00:42:54,996
Speaker 2: on the door and he was like very nice. He's like, yeah,

760
00:42:55,036 --> 00:42:57,076
Speaker 2: I heard the song you gonna play, and he's like

761
00:42:57,316 --> 00:43:00,916
Speaker 2: told me like a story about like him and stand

762
00:43:00,956 --> 00:43:05,476
Speaker 2: up comedians, like touring along the Canadian border during like

763
00:43:05,716 --> 00:43:08,796
Speaker 2: the Vietnam War and like all this stuff.

764
00:43:09,276 --> 00:43:11,916
Speaker 3: Damn all right, Jay, I.

765
00:43:11,916 --> 00:43:14,036
Speaker 1: Always remember me. I always heard that from people that

766
00:43:14,116 --> 00:43:16,076
Speaker 1: played that show that it was like or that and

767
00:43:16,116 --> 00:43:18,276
Speaker 1: then we play like Letterman and I was always like

768
00:43:18,276 --> 00:43:19,916
Speaker 1: a Letterman fan, but I always heard from people that

769
00:43:19,956 --> 00:43:21,716
Speaker 1: played the shows it was like Lena was like the

770
00:43:21,756 --> 00:43:23,476
Speaker 1: cool like drop in and like talk to you and

771
00:43:23,516 --> 00:43:26,836
Speaker 1: hang and like it was the opposite, you know, with Letterman.

772
00:43:27,156 --> 00:43:27,956
Speaker 1: I guess you expect.

773
00:43:28,716 --> 00:43:32,876
Speaker 2: Yeah, I played Letterman like many times and yeah, you

774
00:43:32,916 --> 00:43:35,316
Speaker 2: don't see him. He's only like says hi to you

775
00:43:35,396 --> 00:43:40,756
Speaker 2: on the stage. All those guys are, you know, different

776
00:43:40,836 --> 00:43:43,876
Speaker 2: levels of like engagement, I guess. I mean Conan is.

777
00:43:43,796 --> 00:43:46,076
Speaker 3: My favorite as like a person. He's just cool.

778
00:43:46,716 --> 00:43:49,796
Speaker 2: Yeah, Allen's really nice. I mean they're all nice. Kimmel's

779
00:43:49,876 --> 00:43:54,396
Speaker 2: n they're they're they're all good, great political answer.

780
00:43:56,156 --> 00:43:56,516
Speaker 1: Them all.

781
00:43:59,116 --> 00:44:01,836
Speaker 3: I like them if they like me, you know, yeah, exactly.

782
00:44:02,636 --> 00:44:04,956
Speaker 1: What was it like hanging with Springsteen on that Vote

783
00:44:05,036 --> 00:44:06,116
Speaker 1: for Change tour?

784
00:44:06,836 --> 00:44:10,076
Speaker 3: It was amazing, same kind of thing.

785
00:44:10,156 --> 00:44:14,476
Speaker 2: In the first show, we were super nervous and he

786
00:44:14,556 --> 00:44:17,236
Speaker 2: came to our dressing room. It was just like, so,

787
00:44:17,236 --> 00:44:18,876
Speaker 2: we're happy to have you here and he would go

788
00:44:18,956 --> 00:44:25,316
Speaker 2: out like because it was us Rim and then fucking

789
00:44:25,396 --> 00:44:29,676
Speaker 2: E Street bands like pretty crazy and we were was

790
00:44:29,756 --> 00:44:31,836
Speaker 2: part of this vote for chain, so we were doing

791
00:44:31,876 --> 00:44:35,236
Speaker 2: shows as like a three band thing, but they were

792
00:44:35,276 --> 00:44:37,796
Speaker 2: like Pearl Jam I think was like with like my

793
00:44:37,996 --> 00:44:40,036
Speaker 2: morning Jacket and like, I mean it was like a

794
00:44:40,116 --> 00:44:44,316
Speaker 2: whole wow, like all the all the tours were like

795
00:44:45,076 --> 00:44:47,396
Speaker 2: I mean, it was really organizing. People put a lot

796
00:44:47,396 --> 00:44:49,916
Speaker 2: of like blood, sweat and tears, you know, I mean

797
00:44:49,956 --> 00:44:53,196
Speaker 2: like di rap war and you know, it was like

798
00:44:53,316 --> 00:44:56,476
Speaker 2: it really did feel like we're making a stand. But

799
00:44:56,676 --> 00:44:59,156
Speaker 2: he came out and would introduce us, like before we

800
00:44:59,196 --> 00:45:02,516
Speaker 2: went on stage. He would be like go because he

801
00:45:02,596 --> 00:45:05,996
Speaker 2: usually doesn't only has a lot of opening people. Normally

802
00:45:06,636 --> 00:45:09,916
Speaker 2: he just plays for like four hours, but like special thing.

803
00:45:10,676 --> 00:45:13,356
Speaker 2: So but he's like talks to the audience. He's like

804
00:45:14,036 --> 00:45:16,556
Speaker 2: usually my friends from Nebraska and this is a no

805
00:45:17,076 --> 00:45:20,236
Speaker 2: brucing zone because I guess they yelled Bruce and it

806
00:45:20,276 --> 00:45:24,156
Speaker 2: sounds like the billing that's like You're like, Bruce, sounds

807
00:45:24,196 --> 00:45:32,116
Speaker 2: like a right. Oh he yeah. He was very very gracious.

808
00:45:32,196 --> 00:45:36,836
Speaker 2: That is like maybe the most gracious man in rock

809
00:45:36,876 --> 00:45:37,276
Speaker 2: and roll.

810
00:45:37,436 --> 00:45:40,316
Speaker 1: You know, did you get to talk about like like

811
00:45:40,436 --> 00:45:41,556
Speaker 1: did he listen to your records?

812
00:45:41,556 --> 00:45:44,596
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean I don't know how much he's

813
00:45:44,636 --> 00:45:47,676
Speaker 2: listened to our records, but I've seen him, you know

814
00:45:47,876 --> 00:45:54,356
Speaker 2: since then, like came through Omaha once and like invited

815
00:45:54,396 --> 00:45:57,836
Speaker 2: me down and like I sang a song with him

816
00:45:58,076 --> 00:46:00,596
Speaker 2: and like in Omahan and.

817
00:46:00,676 --> 00:46:04,516
Speaker 3: Like what did you sing uh on the road? And

818
00:46:04,916 --> 00:46:07,196
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my, he's like he's like, look

819
00:46:07,276 --> 00:46:08,316
Speaker 3: he showed me like they're.

820
00:46:08,476 --> 00:46:12,436
Speaker 2: Setlist, like like you know, like I like I loved

821
00:46:12,436 --> 00:46:15,316
Speaker 2: thunder Rug and I'm like, wow, there's a lot of words.

822
00:46:15,356 --> 00:46:18,996
Speaker 2: You know. I think it wasn't my finest hour. I'm like,

823
00:46:19,036 --> 00:46:20,516
Speaker 2: I should have picked Dance in the Dark.

824
00:46:23,396 --> 00:46:24,316
Speaker 1: Did your dad see that?

825
00:46:25,716 --> 00:46:25,916
Speaker 2: Yeah?

826
00:46:25,956 --> 00:46:26,396
Speaker 3: I think so.

827
00:46:26,596 --> 00:46:29,476
Speaker 1: Actually that's a probably pretty proud dad moment right there.

828
00:46:30,956 --> 00:46:33,396
Speaker 2: Yeah. And we also got to play a couple of

829
00:46:33,396 --> 00:46:36,956
Speaker 2: times the Bridge School the thing that Neil Young ship.

830
00:46:37,076 --> 00:46:39,396
Speaker 1: That's right. I saw monsters at Bridge School.

831
00:46:39,556 --> 00:46:44,236
Speaker 2: Like yeah, and you know that back then. I don't

832
00:46:44,236 --> 00:46:49,556
Speaker 2: even know if they do it anymore, but since pass

833
00:46:49,876 --> 00:46:54,316
Speaker 2: they don't. They don't do that anymore, sadly, But yeah,

834
00:46:54,396 --> 00:46:56,796
Speaker 2: the thing is you would go on Friday night. We

835
00:46:56,836 --> 00:47:00,036
Speaker 2: did it once Fridays and then did it Monster. But

836
00:47:00,116 --> 00:47:03,476
Speaker 2: you go on Friday night to the ranch and everyone

837
00:47:03,596 --> 00:47:06,716
Speaker 2: hangs out, and then Saturday and Sunday you play the

838
00:47:06,756 --> 00:47:09,556
Speaker 2: show as a way to kind of like deflate egos

839
00:47:09,596 --> 00:47:12,636
Speaker 2: and everyone, you know, so you're also just like hanging

840
00:47:12,676 --> 00:47:15,276
Speaker 2: out in Neil Young's house, you know, which is like

841
00:47:16,436 --> 00:47:18,756
Speaker 2: pretty cool. But one year, I think it was the

842
00:47:18,796 --> 00:47:21,636
Speaker 2: Monsters of Folk year, like my parents came out and

843
00:47:21,676 --> 00:47:25,476
Speaker 2: they gotta like go to Neil's house and like kick it.

844
00:47:25,556 --> 00:47:29,276
Speaker 2: So that was I got some some sun points for

845
00:47:29,316 --> 00:47:29,676
Speaker 2: that one.

846
00:47:29,716 --> 00:47:31,916
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. It's just it's kind of wild that,

847
00:47:32,716 --> 00:47:35,316
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, Neil Neil, Neil doesn't even tour

848
00:47:35,396 --> 00:47:38,076
Speaker 1: that much anymore. Just kind of it's like everyone's just

849
00:47:38,156 --> 00:47:38,796
Speaker 1: kind of like.

850
00:47:39,916 --> 00:47:42,796
Speaker 2: No, I mean in the way it's just like seems

851
00:47:42,836 --> 00:47:46,796
Speaker 2: like every day something else. Quincy Jones, I mean like

852
00:47:47,236 --> 00:47:49,596
Speaker 2: just like, I mean, I guess it makes sense all

853
00:47:49,676 --> 00:47:53,316
Speaker 2: that era is like getting into like eighties and nineties

854
00:47:53,356 --> 00:47:55,676
Speaker 2: and stuff. I mean, the John Prian one got me

855
00:47:55,756 --> 00:47:58,796
Speaker 2: pretty hard because I've done a bunch of shows with

856
00:47:58,916 --> 00:48:05,076
Speaker 2: Tan and he's like coolest guy. Wow, Like yeah, it's

857
00:48:05,076 --> 00:48:07,996
Speaker 2: like the whole pandemic there was there were everyone's drop

858
00:48:07,996 --> 00:48:08,396
Speaker 2: on my fly.

859
00:48:09,676 --> 00:48:11,156
Speaker 1: How did you survive the pandemic?

860
00:48:12,076 --> 00:48:17,436
Speaker 3: I was, well, took it very seriously.

861
00:48:17,556 --> 00:48:20,036
Speaker 2: I didn't at the time. I was like living with

862
00:48:20,076 --> 00:48:24,356
Speaker 2: my girlfriend in LA and we just we're like hold

863
00:48:24,556 --> 00:48:28,996
Speaker 2: up at the house, you know, like everyone ordering ordering

864
00:48:29,036 --> 00:48:33,796
Speaker 2: food and you could go like drive like right before,

865
00:48:33,876 --> 00:48:38,516
Speaker 2: like grocery stores would clothes. You know, it's like you know,

866
00:48:38,676 --> 00:48:41,156
Speaker 2: like right at the end and like run in and

867
00:48:41,436 --> 00:48:44,196
Speaker 2: grab stuff. And I mean it was just like it

868
00:48:44,236 --> 00:48:48,876
Speaker 2: was such a Yeah, I don't know, times are I

869
00:48:48,876 --> 00:48:50,716
Speaker 2: guess living in interesting times.

870
00:48:50,796 --> 00:48:53,556
Speaker 3: Someone I heard something it that way, It's for sure.

871
00:48:55,636 --> 00:48:57,156
Speaker 1: After the break, we'll be back with the rest of

872
00:48:57,156 --> 00:49:04,196
Speaker 1: my conversation with Connor Oberst. Here's the rest of my

873
00:49:04,236 --> 00:49:08,916
Speaker 1: conversation with Connor Oberst. I love your song. I hate

874
00:49:09,316 --> 00:49:15,596
Speaker 1: it's really that's a phenomenal song. It does something for

875
00:49:15,716 --> 00:49:18,076
Speaker 1: me that I don't know that many other songs that

876
00:49:18,116 --> 00:49:23,196
Speaker 1: sound like it. Do you know what? Uh can you

877
00:49:23,196 --> 00:49:24,396
Speaker 1: tell me about writing that song?

878
00:49:25,956 --> 00:49:29,556
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was one actually that started with a musical

879
00:49:29,596 --> 00:49:35,316
Speaker 2: idea from Nate Walcott and I kind of sat with

880
00:49:35,476 --> 00:49:40,356
Speaker 2: it and then yeah, I don't know, I started. I

881
00:49:40,436 --> 00:49:44,716
Speaker 2: had the first couple of lines and then I just thought,

882
00:49:45,596 --> 00:49:49,436
Speaker 2: you know, that's like a pretty I guess songwriting device,

883
00:49:49,556 --> 00:49:52,156
Speaker 2: you know, sort of start every line with the same

884
00:49:53,076 --> 00:49:54,516
Speaker 2: same word phrase.

885
00:49:55,276 --> 00:49:57,036
Speaker 3: It's actually kind of easy to write that way. It

886
00:49:57,076 --> 00:49:57,956
Speaker 3: was just a list of.

887
00:49:57,956 --> 00:50:04,756
Speaker 2: Things, you know. Yeah, but yeah, that was one that like.

888
00:50:04,836 --> 00:50:08,196
Speaker 1: Is this sincere? Like I mean, the first two lines,

889
00:50:08,236 --> 00:50:09,036
Speaker 1: I hate the.

890
00:50:13,436 --> 00:50:16,036
Speaker 3: I mean it is it is sincere.

891
00:50:16,236 --> 00:50:22,116
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess I'll like qualify it with you know,

892
00:50:22,956 --> 00:50:26,996
Speaker 2: everyone's beliefs if it takes them to a place that

893
00:50:27,836 --> 00:50:33,956
Speaker 2: creates more empathy or understanding or comfort. You know, I'm

894
00:50:33,956 --> 00:50:37,796
Speaker 2: not I don't mean to deride that, you know, I

895
00:50:37,836 --> 00:50:40,756
Speaker 2: think about like my grandma, like praying the Rosary and

896
00:50:40,796 --> 00:50:46,796
Speaker 2: stuff like that. But to me, like organized religion and

897
00:50:46,836 --> 00:50:50,556
Speaker 2: even like the pseudo religions, the cults, and I mean,

898
00:50:51,276 --> 00:50:58,076
Speaker 2: to me, it's just the some good versus evil to humanity.

899
00:50:58,476 --> 00:51:01,116
Speaker 2: Is It's pretty clear to me. I think that they

900
00:51:01,196 --> 00:51:06,996
Speaker 2: all just like just riddle the world with division and

901
00:51:07,116 --> 00:51:14,316
Speaker 2: ignorance and bigotry. And so yeah, I stand behind all that.

902
00:51:14,436 --> 00:51:17,356
Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's interesting that like it

903
00:51:17,436 --> 00:51:21,596
Speaker 2: seems like whenever someone like quote unquote like gets a

904
00:51:21,636 --> 00:51:27,196
Speaker 2: message from God, it's like God always says like, have

905
00:51:27,356 --> 00:51:31,156
Speaker 2: sex with all the women and children, take all the money,

906
00:51:32,036 --> 00:51:36,676
Speaker 2: and kill your enemies. You know. That's like God's like

907
00:51:36,836 --> 00:51:41,036
Speaker 2: same message, and it's like God's a twisted fuck, you.

908
00:51:40,996 --> 00:51:50,556
Speaker 1: Know, you know it's kind of true. Yeah, some wild ship.

909
00:51:50,476 --> 00:51:58,916
Speaker 2: Man like, yeah, it's a it's a strange thing. But yeah,

910
00:51:58,956 --> 00:52:02,476
Speaker 2: that was one that the label. There was two songs

911
00:52:03,276 --> 00:52:08,996
Speaker 2: that the label was like weird about. There was one song.

912
00:52:09,196 --> 00:52:14,716
Speaker 2: It's like it's like, actually like it a lot, and

913
00:52:14,756 --> 00:52:17,076
Speaker 2: I think it's catchy, but it's like it's like a

914
00:52:17,116 --> 00:52:17,756
Speaker 2: SKA song.

915
00:52:18,276 --> 00:52:19,716
Speaker 3: It's called First World Blues.

916
00:52:20,196 --> 00:52:21,196
Speaker 1: Oh make the record.

917
00:52:21,476 --> 00:52:24,676
Speaker 2: You didn't make the record because they were like, you

918
00:52:24,716 --> 00:52:28,116
Speaker 2: put this on the record. All anyone's gonna say is like, right,

919
00:52:28,156 --> 00:52:30,996
Speaker 2: I just you know, go scar or something. I don't

920
00:52:30,996 --> 00:52:34,636
Speaker 2: know what they but I was like and then hate

921
00:52:34,716 --> 00:52:37,876
Speaker 2: for like obvious reasons, I guess, like offending people or something.

922
00:52:37,916 --> 00:52:42,996
Speaker 2: But I I capitulated on the SKA one, and then

923
00:52:43,036 --> 00:52:45,716
Speaker 2: I was like, hate's going on the record up there,

924
00:52:46,556 --> 00:52:49,156
Speaker 2: so that's gotta that's gotta be there.

925
00:52:49,236 --> 00:52:51,676
Speaker 1: So yeah, bright Eyes ghost Scar might have been a

926
00:52:51,996 --> 00:52:56,516
Speaker 1: kind of an appealing line in a way, drawn some

927
00:52:56,796 --> 00:52:58,676
Speaker 1: drawn some listeners in I think with that one.

928
00:52:58,716 --> 00:53:01,036
Speaker 2: I mean, it's definitely gonna see the light of day

929
00:53:01,276 --> 00:53:02,276
Speaker 2: one of these days.

930
00:53:02,316 --> 00:53:06,356
Speaker 1: But in the form that it's in now or re recorded. Yeah, Okay,

931
00:53:06,436 --> 00:53:07,476
Speaker 1: you have like we.

932
00:53:07,476 --> 00:53:11,276
Speaker 2: Have like good like eight songs that we recorded that

933
00:53:11,436 --> 00:53:12,676
Speaker 2: like didn't make the record.

934
00:53:12,836 --> 00:53:16,076
Speaker 1: So so how often do you revisit stuff? Like you

935
00:53:16,076 --> 00:53:19,236
Speaker 1: were saying you had like many more songs for Casadega

936
00:53:19,276 --> 00:53:21,836
Speaker 1: and you know, Rick helped you little whittle that down,

937
00:53:21,876 --> 00:53:24,236
Speaker 1: Like did did those extras ever come out? Or are

938
00:53:24,276 --> 00:53:26,276
Speaker 1: they still somewhere tucked away?

939
00:53:28,876 --> 00:53:31,676
Speaker 2: I think like some of them did, some of them didn't.

940
00:53:31,916 --> 00:53:36,156
Speaker 2: Some of them are like promo for that record, but

941
00:53:36,676 --> 00:53:38,076
Speaker 2: I mean I guess you could find them on the

942
00:53:38,196 --> 00:53:42,196
Speaker 2: internet probably, but like like weird things like oh they

943
00:53:42,276 --> 00:53:45,076
Speaker 2: sent out a song to like the mailing list is

944
00:53:45,116 --> 00:53:47,836
Speaker 2: like a treat or something, you know. Yeah, yeah, I

945
00:53:47,876 --> 00:53:53,396
Speaker 2: don't know, Like but yeah, there's there's songs weighing around

946
00:53:53,756 --> 00:53:57,476
Speaker 2: for sure, but yeah, yeah, I don't know. I kind

947
00:53:57,476 --> 00:53:59,236
Speaker 2: of want to do I definitely want to do something

948
00:53:59,276 --> 00:54:02,956
Speaker 2: with the ones that didn't make this record, because I

949
00:54:02,956 --> 00:54:06,876
Speaker 2: think some of them are like like some of them,

950
00:54:06,996 --> 00:54:09,836
Speaker 2: like I don't know what the best they're ones I

951
00:54:09,916 --> 00:54:12,236
Speaker 2: like wow, So, yeahs, have.

952
00:54:12,156 --> 00:54:14,476
Speaker 1: You heard from anyone that is a fan of yours

953
00:54:14,476 --> 00:54:17,996
Speaker 1: that you've been surprised by?

954
00:54:18,116 --> 00:54:21,196
Speaker 3: That's a good question. I'm always surprised.

955
00:54:24,716 --> 00:54:26,916
Speaker 2: I don't know a lot of times like they'll be

956
00:54:27,356 --> 00:54:30,036
Speaker 2: I feel like you make like weird like too. Like

957
00:54:30,076 --> 00:54:31,516
Speaker 2: a lot of times, like when you're on these like

958
00:54:32,196 --> 00:54:35,356
Speaker 2: festival circuits, like eure Ape festival circuits, you end up

959
00:54:35,396 --> 00:54:40,556
Speaker 2: like like watching a band that you never would and

960
00:54:40,636 --> 00:54:42,596
Speaker 2: kind of like even like hang out. Like I remember

961
00:54:42,676 --> 00:54:46,476
Speaker 2: like one summer, like every place we played was like

962
00:54:46,756 --> 00:54:49,516
Speaker 2: incubisc was playing. I like never listened to Incubists, but

963
00:54:49,596 --> 00:54:54,396
Speaker 2: I'm like, they're really nice guys and they're like, you know, it's.

964
00:54:54,196 --> 00:54:54,716
Speaker 1: Like stuff like that.

965
00:54:54,796 --> 00:54:59,196
Speaker 2: It's the weird, weird like tour friendships. I feel like happened,

966
00:54:59,436 --> 00:54:59,716
Speaker 2: you know.

967
00:55:01,116 --> 00:55:04,076
Speaker 1: Bringing up Incabists reminded me that there's a some some

968
00:55:04,156 --> 00:55:07,276
Speaker 1: record scratches on the time I Have left. I'm pretty

969
00:55:07,276 --> 00:55:08,476
Speaker 1: sure is that at the end of the time I

970
00:55:08,476 --> 00:55:12,596
Speaker 1: have left, which was an unexpected touch.

971
00:55:13,236 --> 00:55:17,716
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's like that one and went out

972
00:55:17,836 --> 00:55:20,516
Speaker 2: and I think tiny suicides too.

973
00:55:20,596 --> 00:55:21,636
Speaker 3: But there's this guy.

974
00:55:23,596 --> 00:55:28,316
Speaker 2: Named ebabs uh okay Eric, but he's just he's like

975
00:55:28,356 --> 00:55:34,556
Speaker 2: a hip hop producer, DJ scratching guy here in Omaha,

976
00:55:35,916 --> 00:55:40,076
Speaker 2: works with like a lot of hip hop groups.

977
00:55:40,716 --> 00:55:42,116
Speaker 3: My friend Mars Black.

978
00:55:41,956 --> 00:55:47,556
Speaker 2: Is like one of like his main collaborators. But uh yeah,

979
00:55:47,596 --> 00:55:51,516
Speaker 2: he came in like worked on those songs and yeah

980
00:55:51,516 --> 00:55:54,676
Speaker 2: it's just something we hadn't tried before. And he's a

981
00:55:54,716 --> 00:55:57,716
Speaker 2: friend of ours. So I think he did it. Like

982
00:55:57,836 --> 00:56:00,996
Speaker 2: he took it super like seriously, and like like he

983
00:56:01,076 --> 00:56:03,356
Speaker 2: was in the studio for a whole couple of days

984
00:56:03,596 --> 00:56:05,796
Speaker 2: and he's still like I was like what he did?

985
00:56:05,796 --> 00:56:06,956
Speaker 3: I like, I thought sounding great.

986
00:56:06,996 --> 00:56:10,196
Speaker 2: I was like it's good, and he's like, you know,

987
00:56:10,356 --> 00:56:12,876
Speaker 2: just like take it home and like think about it

988
00:56:12,876 --> 00:56:13,436
Speaker 2: a little more.

989
00:56:13,516 --> 00:56:15,316
Speaker 3: Like like he took it super seriously.

990
00:56:15,436 --> 00:56:18,076
Speaker 2: So I mean it's like they're like subtle things, but

991
00:56:18,116 --> 00:56:21,316
Speaker 2: if you I think they add like just like a

992
00:56:21,356 --> 00:56:23,836
Speaker 2: cool different layer to it.

993
00:56:24,476 --> 00:56:26,996
Speaker 1: Like it really works and it's really it is super subtle.

994
00:56:27,156 --> 00:56:30,156
Speaker 1: Do you know what he was scratching? Because it is he.

995
00:56:30,196 --> 00:56:34,236
Speaker 2: Has this thing that he used that it's like a

996
00:56:34,356 --> 00:56:40,596
Speaker 2: digital you can basically load any sample into it and

997
00:56:40,676 --> 00:56:44,836
Speaker 2: it has like a essentially like a fake record on it.

998
00:56:44,876 --> 00:56:50,116
Speaker 2: I don't exactly know how it works. For that song,

999
00:56:50,276 --> 00:56:56,716
Speaker 2: like you know, he had Matt Berninger's separated vocal and

1000
00:56:56,756 --> 00:56:59,636
Speaker 2: he just ran it into the thing and then you

1001
00:56:59,676 --> 00:57:02,676
Speaker 2: know scratched it.

1002
00:57:00,836 --> 00:57:04,476
Speaker 1: And scratching Matt's vocal over Matt.

1003
00:57:04,636 --> 00:57:08,836
Speaker 3: Interesting, Yeah, I remember back for Lift.

1004
00:57:09,276 --> 00:57:16,556
Speaker 2: Did this is like so crazy that we were like this, well,

1005
00:57:16,556 --> 00:57:18,636
Speaker 2: there'd be way easier ways to do this now. But

1006
00:57:19,316 --> 00:57:24,916
Speaker 2: we heard that Portishead had thrust tracks of their record

1007
00:57:25,116 --> 00:57:28,996
Speaker 2: and then like like fucked up the record with like

1008
00:57:29,076 --> 00:57:32,516
Speaker 2: sandpaper and stuff and then like played it back into

1009
00:57:32,556 --> 00:57:35,476
Speaker 2: the tracks. Like that's how they made like some of

1010
00:57:35,476 --> 00:57:38,516
Speaker 2: those like classics, And so we did that. We got

1011
00:57:38,516 --> 00:57:41,956
Speaker 2: like tests you can get like test pressings made without

1012
00:57:41,996 --> 00:57:43,876
Speaker 2: press you know, without making a whole record. So we

1013
00:57:43,916 --> 00:57:48,516
Speaker 2: had like separate tracks and we got test pressings like

1014
00:57:48,636 --> 00:57:50,756
Speaker 2: records made, and like we did we.

1015
00:57:50,836 --> 00:57:52,836
Speaker 3: Just basically like stole that idea.

1016
00:57:52,956 --> 00:57:54,876
Speaker 2: And so like when you hear like if you listener

1017
00:57:54,916 --> 00:57:57,116
Speaker 2: Lifted and you hear like the pops and the crackles

1018
00:57:57,156 --> 00:58:01,876
Speaker 2: and like the drums on like Lover and stuff, Yeah,

1019
00:58:01,916 --> 00:58:07,356
Speaker 2: those are all onto a LP and then like recorded

1020
00:58:07,396 --> 00:58:08,556
Speaker 2: back into the tracks.

1021
00:58:08,716 --> 00:58:12,796
Speaker 1: Wow, the drums on Lover are fucking really good. Are

1022
00:58:12,916 --> 00:58:15,996
Speaker 1: really good that's that whole record.

1023
00:58:16,036 --> 00:58:19,756
Speaker 2: We had like a kind of a drum corps like

1024
00:58:20,676 --> 00:58:24,036
Speaker 2: approach where you had like three drummers and a marching

1025
00:58:24,076 --> 00:58:24,996
Speaker 2: band kind of style.

1026
00:58:26,956 --> 00:58:31,316
Speaker 3: Yeah, we like we're into some weird stuff.

1027
00:58:31,436 --> 00:58:35,076
Speaker 2: There's a Leonard Cohen album, Death of a Lady's Man

1028
00:58:35,156 --> 00:58:40,196
Speaker 2: that Phil Spector produced that we're trying to ammunilate that

1029
00:58:40,236 --> 00:58:44,116
Speaker 2: out as well. But like, but like I'm like, you know,

1030
00:58:44,156 --> 00:58:46,196
Speaker 2: they have like real stuff happening there, and you have

1031
00:58:46,276 --> 00:58:50,636
Speaker 2: like the you know, the equivalent of our like sixth

1032
00:58:50,676 --> 00:58:51,516
Speaker 2: grade orchestra.

1033
00:58:51,716 --> 00:58:55,396
Speaker 3: Back then, like like early bride as, it was like.

1034
00:58:55,916 --> 00:59:01,836
Speaker 2: Oh she owns a viola? Can you know? It was

1035
00:59:02,596 --> 00:59:04,676
Speaker 2: so yeah, it was kind of like if you had

1036
00:59:04,836 --> 00:59:09,236
Speaker 2: an instrument that was like interesting, we'd like record it.

1037
00:59:09,276 --> 00:59:12,156
Speaker 2: So it's cool. It sounds like kind of insane, but

1038
00:59:13,156 --> 00:59:16,676
Speaker 2: you know, later on, like when Nate joined the band,

1039
00:59:16,716 --> 00:59:19,636
Speaker 2: fully it kind of graduated to like go on to

1040
00:59:19,756 --> 00:59:23,676
Speaker 2: Capitol Studios and recording like actual orchestras.

1041
00:59:23,716 --> 00:59:26,476
Speaker 1: But yeah, you guys did a great approximation. I mean

1042
00:59:26,516 --> 00:59:29,956
Speaker 1: even you know, like cursive man, like some of the

1043
00:59:29,996 --> 00:59:34,036
Speaker 1: string arrangements and I don't know how arranged they actually were.

1044
00:59:34,356 --> 00:59:36,756
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, or not, but they sound like it.

1045
00:59:36,796 --> 00:59:39,436
Speaker 1: They're you know amazing, you know, yeah it would and

1046
00:59:39,596 --> 00:59:39,956
Speaker 1: like all that.

1047
00:59:40,116 --> 00:59:42,036
Speaker 2: I mean it's just like whoa, you know, yeah, the

1048
00:59:42,076 --> 00:59:45,276
Speaker 2: interplay between those guitars and the cello with like very

1049
00:59:45,956 --> 00:59:48,796
Speaker 2: kind of special special combo.

1050
00:59:49,116 --> 00:59:51,476
Speaker 1: I feel like that the Ugly Ugly organ. It's a

1051
00:59:51,516 --> 00:59:53,636
Speaker 1: record that doesn't get enough love, you know, it's a.

1052
00:59:55,396 --> 00:59:56,276
Speaker 3: That's a great one.

1053
00:59:56,556 --> 01:00:00,676
Speaker 2: I think my favorite is actually, uh Happy Hollow, which

1054
01:00:00,676 --> 01:00:02,436
Speaker 2: is like the next one after that.

1055
01:00:02,996 --> 01:00:06,076
Speaker 1: Yeah, are you still gonna tour in the new year?

1056
01:00:06,796 --> 01:00:10,476
Speaker 2: Yeah? Starting but januine I want to say sixteenth or

1057
01:00:10,476 --> 01:00:15,116
Speaker 2: something like that in Phoenix, and so it's like us

1058
01:00:15,636 --> 01:00:17,476
Speaker 2: were kind of the first half of the year and

1059
01:00:17,516 --> 01:00:23,356
Speaker 2: then go to Europe in summer. Yeah, kind of hit

1060
01:00:23,396 --> 01:00:27,916
Speaker 2: the hit the road and play play this new record

1061
01:00:27,996 --> 01:00:29,676
Speaker 2: for the people.

1062
01:00:30,116 --> 01:00:30,396
Speaker 3: Cool?

1063
01:00:30,756 --> 01:00:34,996
Speaker 1: Is there anything between like that tour ending and that starting?

1064
01:00:35,196 --> 01:00:37,596
Speaker 1: Like with your voice, I know you have like we're

1065
01:00:37,596 --> 01:00:39,956
Speaker 1: having some vocal issues, like are you having to do

1066
01:00:40,036 --> 01:00:42,716
Speaker 1: certain things or avoid certain things?

1067
01:00:43,276 --> 01:00:47,276
Speaker 2: Well, I like yeah, I mean, you know, this has

1068
01:00:47,276 --> 01:00:49,916
Speaker 2: actually been such a nice conversation. I was prepared for

1069
01:00:50,036 --> 01:00:55,796
Speaker 2: like doom and gloom with you know, the election and things.

1070
01:00:54,996 --> 01:00:56,636
Speaker 1: Like figure out how to avoid it, you know.

1071
01:00:56,756 --> 01:01:01,036
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like, well, like physically, I feel a

1072
01:01:01,076 --> 01:01:06,196
Speaker 2: lot better than I did a couple of months ago. Yeah,

1073
01:01:06,276 --> 01:01:10,996
Speaker 2: it was like it's I had like a problem with

1074
01:01:11,076 --> 01:01:16,116
Speaker 2: my esophagus and so I kind of see like into

1075
01:01:16,156 --> 01:01:21,516
Speaker 2: a lot of doctor's appointments and they stuck some robotic

1076
01:01:21,556 --> 01:01:24,076
Speaker 2: shit down my throat and so.

1077
01:01:24,116 --> 01:01:26,796
Speaker 3: I yeah, fingers crossed.

1078
01:01:26,836 --> 01:01:32,596
Speaker 2: But I've been just singing around here and it feels

1079
01:01:32,596 --> 01:01:34,716
Speaker 2: totally back to normal.

1080
01:01:34,836 --> 01:01:37,916
Speaker 3: So hopefully, yeah, we'll just get back out there.

1081
01:01:37,956 --> 01:01:41,276
Speaker 2: It was. It was definitely like a bummer that kind

1082
01:01:41,276 --> 01:01:44,916
Speaker 2: of coincided with like when the record was coming out,

1083
01:01:44,956 --> 01:01:48,156
Speaker 2: but really it was always meant to be. The shows

1084
01:01:48,156 --> 01:01:50,076
Speaker 2: in the fall were kind of I don't want to

1085
01:01:50,076 --> 01:01:51,436
Speaker 2: say promo, but they were.

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01:01:52,156 --> 01:01:52,476
Speaker 3: They were.

1087
01:01:52,596 --> 01:01:52,836
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:01:52,876 --> 01:01:57,596
Speaker 2: They were like yeah, like smaller venues and like sort

1089
01:01:57,636 --> 01:02:01,716
Speaker 2: of doing press for the record, and then the actual

1090
01:02:01,956 --> 01:02:06,076
Speaker 2: tour tour was always in twenty twenty five, so it

1091
01:02:06,156 --> 01:02:09,476
Speaker 2: was and we're gonna hopefully make up. We're gonna go to.

1092
01:02:09,436 --> 01:02:12,316
Speaker 3: All those cities again like that we missed.

1093
01:02:12,676 --> 01:02:15,756
Speaker 1: So cool. I haven't asked any questions about this Barcidos.

1094
01:02:15,876 --> 01:02:19,276
Speaker 1: I do want to ask about that, and I guess

1095
01:02:19,276 --> 01:02:22,556
Speaker 1: I'm curious. You know, those songs were very political in

1096
01:02:22,596 --> 01:02:25,556
Speaker 1: their way when the President talks to God political in

1097
01:02:25,596 --> 01:02:29,036
Speaker 1: its way. Did those songs sound like that when you

1098
01:02:29,076 --> 01:02:33,476
Speaker 1: first wrote them or were they like radically different when

1099
01:02:33,476 --> 01:02:36,556
Speaker 1: you initially wrote them before taking them to the band.

1100
01:02:37,676 --> 01:02:42,836
Speaker 2: No, like THEOS songs were like a different process, Like

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01:02:42,916 --> 01:02:47,196
Speaker 2: we we wrote them all. I mean I would maybe

1102
01:02:47,276 --> 01:02:50,116
Speaker 2: have a chord progression or Denver Dally who was the

1103
01:02:50,116 --> 01:02:53,676
Speaker 2: other guitar player, would have like some musical thing, But

1104
01:02:53,716 --> 01:02:55,956
Speaker 2: we wrote them all like in the band room, like

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01:02:56,276 --> 01:02:59,636
Speaker 2: loud so and I would I would have like a

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01:03:00,716 --> 01:03:02,716
Speaker 2: we'd make like I don't know, I guess the first

1107
01:03:02,716 --> 01:03:05,036
Speaker 2: record whatever we had at the time, like mini diss

1108
01:03:05,156 --> 01:03:08,836
Speaker 2: or some kind of recording device, and I would just

1109
01:03:08,916 --> 01:03:12,716
Speaker 2: kind of sing scream like gibberish to get like a melody,

1110
01:03:13,316 --> 01:03:15,996
Speaker 2: and then I, you know, write write the words to

1111
01:03:16,036 --> 01:03:20,716
Speaker 2: the melody. And yeah, it was always kind of and

1112
01:03:21,196 --> 01:03:24,316
Speaker 2: we knew what we wanted to sing about, you know,

1113
01:03:24,556 --> 01:03:30,396
Speaker 2: and kind of just I guess going towards that tradition

1114
01:03:30,596 --> 01:03:37,236
Speaker 2: of you know, political punk rock, pop punk, whatever you

1115
01:03:37,236 --> 01:03:38,556
Speaker 2: want to call it, hardcore.

1116
01:03:38,996 --> 01:03:41,636
Speaker 1: I guess it didn't feel so pop punk to me,

1117
01:03:41,716 --> 01:03:46,116
Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess whatever.

1118
01:03:46,196 --> 01:03:49,116
Speaker 3: That is the story of guitars and screaming.

1119
01:03:49,596 --> 01:03:55,516
Speaker 1: Maybe little little cap and jazz ish yeah in a way. Yeah.

1120
01:03:55,956 --> 01:03:58,556
Speaker 2: So but we had a trouble. We had trouble, like

1121
01:03:58,836 --> 01:04:01,956
Speaker 2: just stay in a band for very long. I think

1122
01:04:01,996 --> 01:04:05,396
Speaker 2: we were like a band for a couple of years

1123
01:04:05,436 --> 01:04:07,636
Speaker 2: at first, and then we kind of like broke up.

1124
01:04:07,676 --> 01:04:11,796
Speaker 2: And then we made another record only fifteen and right

1125
01:04:12,156 --> 01:04:15,996
Speaker 2: when we we like finished, we like mixed the record,

1126
01:04:16,716 --> 01:04:20,596
Speaker 2: and then like nine to eleven happened, and it was like, oh,

1127
01:04:20,636 --> 01:04:25,756
Speaker 2: we made this like slightly anti American, like anti capitalists.

1128
01:04:27,996 --> 01:04:28,396
Speaker 2: There was a.

1129
01:04:28,356 --> 01:04:32,196
Speaker 3: Flag on every house in the world, and like and on.

1130
01:04:32,716 --> 01:04:36,596
Speaker 2: Yeah, we went on tour, and I mean people that

1131
01:04:36,676 --> 01:04:39,556
Speaker 2: came to our shows were like, you know, I think

1132
01:04:39,756 --> 01:04:43,436
Speaker 2: on the same page to some degree. But yeah, doing

1133
01:04:43,476 --> 01:04:48,156
Speaker 2: interviews and things, it was it was like a classic

1134
01:04:48,236 --> 01:04:52,436
Speaker 2: classic bad timing but or maybe good timing. I always said,

1135
01:04:52,476 --> 01:04:55,196
Speaker 2: like I was like, well, the most American thing you

1136
01:04:55,236 --> 01:04:58,156
Speaker 2: can do is like descent, you know, so I think

1137
01:04:58,836 --> 01:05:03,556
Speaker 2: right in that sense, there's the right time. I just remember.

1138
01:05:03,596 --> 01:05:08,996
Speaker 2: After that it was things started getting really crazy and

1139
01:05:09,476 --> 01:05:12,116
Speaker 2: Bride Eyes World like moved to like touring on a

1140
01:05:12,156 --> 01:05:15,316
Speaker 2: bus and like playing like a lot of bigger shows.

1141
01:05:15,396 --> 01:05:17,676
Speaker 2: And I mean and to a certain degree, Discursus was

1142
01:05:17,716 --> 01:05:24,356
Speaker 2: always a side project because you know, I guess Bright

1143
01:05:24,396 --> 01:05:25,236
Speaker 2: Ass was just kind.

1144
01:05:25,116 --> 01:05:26,876
Speaker 3: Of my main thing.

1145
01:05:27,036 --> 01:05:29,796
Speaker 2: But I really did, like I still love like playing

1146
01:05:29,876 --> 01:05:32,076
Speaker 2: loud music and like screaming.

1147
01:05:32,116 --> 01:05:34,116
Speaker 3: I'm getting like a little too old for it, but.

1148
01:05:35,996 --> 01:05:38,476
Speaker 1: Yeah it's funny man. When Lifted came out, I just

1149
01:05:38,476 --> 01:05:41,476
Speaker 1: remember thinking like this is the most commercial fucking you know,

1150
01:05:41,636 --> 01:05:43,796
Speaker 1: not like the music, but just like the way the response.

1151
01:05:43,836 --> 01:05:46,396
Speaker 1: It felt like, holy fuck, this is a big record,

1152
01:05:46,676 --> 01:05:50,876
Speaker 1: you know, and like I don't even know how much

1153
01:05:51,196 --> 01:05:54,916
Speaker 1: I don't even know to which degree Bright Eyes fans

1154
01:05:54,916 --> 01:05:57,876
Speaker 1: even connect to that record or know that record. You know,

1155
01:05:57,916 --> 01:06:00,836
Speaker 1: there's so many sets, you know, but the time I

1156
01:06:00,876 --> 01:06:02,756
Speaker 1: was like, whove, you know, this is a this is

1157
01:06:02,756 --> 01:06:03,876
Speaker 1: a big record, you know.

1158
01:06:04,756 --> 01:06:07,116
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, it was definitely a change.

1159
01:06:07,196 --> 01:06:07,716
Speaker 3: It was like.

1160
01:06:09,436 --> 01:06:14,036
Speaker 2: You know, real like had a tour manager, had a

1161
01:06:14,076 --> 01:06:18,476
Speaker 2: sound person, had touring a bus, had a real booking agent.

1162
01:06:18,716 --> 01:06:22,316
Speaker 2: It was like we're moving out of the van and

1163
01:06:22,396 --> 01:06:29,036
Speaker 2: out of the truly like yeah, why space into like oh,

1164
01:06:29,116 --> 01:06:32,916
Speaker 2: we're like a band that's in magazines and yeah those

1165
01:06:33,036 --> 01:06:36,796
Speaker 2: real shows. Yeah, that was it.

1166
01:06:36,716 --> 01:06:39,516
Speaker 3: Was a transitional time.

1167
01:06:40,076 --> 01:06:43,556
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, pre I guess that area you were talking about,

1168
01:06:43,596 --> 01:06:46,836
Speaker 1: like that re election of Bush, there weren't many people

1169
01:06:47,316 --> 01:06:49,876
Speaker 1: voicing what you were on that right, you know, like

1170
01:06:50,076 --> 01:06:51,636
Speaker 1: I don't want to be ashamed to be American. I

1171
01:06:51,636 --> 01:06:54,476
Speaker 1: feel like being ashamed of an American was very common

1172
01:06:54,596 --> 01:06:57,396
Speaker 1: by like two thousand and five or six or seven,

1173
01:06:57,476 --> 01:07:03,476
Speaker 1: but you know, and the time an American idiot. Yeah, by

1174
01:07:03,516 --> 01:07:05,756
Speaker 1: the time of an American idiot, I feel like that

1175
01:07:05,916 --> 01:07:09,676
Speaker 1: was a very popular sentiment, but in like two thousand

1176
01:07:09,716 --> 01:07:11,476
Speaker 1: and two thousand and one, that did not feel very

1177
01:07:12,596 --> 01:07:16,396
Speaker 1: commonplace at all. You know. Yeah, well then very anticipatory

1178
01:07:16,396 --> 01:07:18,956
Speaker 1: in that way. I don't know, you know, yeah.

1179
01:07:18,796 --> 01:07:22,076
Speaker 3: I remember, well, I guess it kind of makes sense.

1180
01:07:22,116 --> 01:07:25,036
Speaker 2: I don't know. I remember being like all these like

1181
01:07:25,276 --> 01:07:30,916
Speaker 2: British journalists coming to interview us, like Uncut and Mojo

1182
01:07:31,196 --> 01:07:35,756
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. It's almost like they it made

1183
01:07:35,756 --> 01:07:40,316
Speaker 2: more sense to them, I think than like US press

1184
01:07:40,596 --> 01:07:43,316
Speaker 2: or something. Yeah, they were like into it, you know,

1185
01:07:43,436 --> 01:07:49,116
Speaker 2: They're like political punk is bad, you know, and I

1186
01:07:49,156 --> 01:07:53,236
Speaker 2: think here it was kind of just I don't know

1187
01:07:53,356 --> 01:07:57,396
Speaker 2: they I think people liked the music, but maybe weren't

1188
01:07:57,916 --> 01:07:59,996
Speaker 2: didn't care that much about the words, you know.

1189
01:08:00,476 --> 01:08:02,756
Speaker 1: Yeah, were you always a pretty political person?

1190
01:08:03,076 --> 01:08:07,636
Speaker 2: Like or not? Really? I would say no, I mean

1191
01:08:07,676 --> 01:08:12,316
Speaker 2: definitely not. I think that like my awareness of politics

1192
01:08:12,436 --> 01:08:16,076
Speaker 2: started really like right around two thousand.

1193
01:08:16,916 --> 01:08:19,556
Speaker 3: I remember being on tour when.

1194
01:08:19,356 --> 01:08:25,116
Speaker 2: The first Bush election happened, and you know, it's like

1195
01:08:25,236 --> 01:08:28,396
Speaker 2: weeks till we knew who the president was. I just

1196
01:08:28,436 --> 01:08:33,236
Speaker 2: remember being like, this is strange, Like something is like

1197
01:08:33,356 --> 01:08:34,596
Speaker 2: this should it be like this?

1198
01:08:34,756 --> 01:08:34,876
Speaker 3: Like?

1199
01:08:35,676 --> 01:08:38,556
Speaker 2: And so I started kind of paying attention. I mean

1200
01:08:38,596 --> 01:08:41,396
Speaker 2: I was only like twenty, and then like nine to

1201
01:08:41,436 --> 01:08:43,836
Speaker 2: eleven happened, and then it was like we were all

1202
01:08:44,116 --> 01:08:45,596
Speaker 2: in it, you know, I mean make.

1203
01:08:45,556 --> 01:08:49,836
Speaker 3: Sure remember just it was like it was like.

1204
01:08:50,796 --> 01:08:57,276
Speaker 2: Everything felt very different and very real and very terrifying.

1205
01:08:57,356 --> 01:09:02,356
Speaker 2: And started to think about, like, I don't know, have

1206
01:09:02,436 --> 01:09:05,156
Speaker 2: a more global perspective.

1207
01:09:06,476 --> 01:09:08,836
Speaker 3: And yeah, and.

1208
01:09:08,796 --> 01:09:11,396
Speaker 2: Then I got and I got kind of more and more,

1209
01:09:12,516 --> 01:09:15,636
Speaker 2: you know, became kind of a news junkie and all

1210
01:09:15,676 --> 01:09:19,276
Speaker 2: the rest of it. But you did, yeah, I mean

1211
01:09:19,876 --> 01:09:23,196
Speaker 2: for sure, like after I kind of just felt like

1212
01:09:23,236 --> 01:09:26,636
Speaker 2: I needed to understand like what was happening, you know.

1213
01:09:26,996 --> 01:09:30,756
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was all especially back then. I

1214
01:09:30,756 --> 01:09:34,036
Speaker 1: mean now everything feels anything that's happening feels more or

1215
01:09:34,156 --> 01:09:37,076
Speaker 1: less very central to the US, Like it's all kind

1216
01:09:37,076 --> 01:09:39,636
Speaker 1: of like what's happening here? And how do we figure

1217
01:09:39,676 --> 01:09:41,556
Speaker 1: it out? But yeah, then it was kind of like

1218
01:09:41,596 --> 01:09:44,676
Speaker 1: what like whoa like a Sunni and a Shia and

1219
01:09:45,116 --> 01:09:47,756
Speaker 1: you know, a bath and like it's like like what

1220
01:09:47,836 --> 01:09:51,156
Speaker 1: are these? You know? And I mean perhaps or should

1221
01:09:51,156 --> 01:09:53,236
Speaker 1: be ashamed, but yeah, who knew? You know, I barely

1222
01:09:53,316 --> 01:09:56,356
Speaker 1: knew what a Democrat and Republican? Was it that exactly

1223
01:09:56,716 --> 01:10:01,396
Speaker 1: know anything? But yeah, weird weird times you were talking

1224
01:10:01,396 --> 01:10:05,556
Speaker 1: about how you mentioned how you were cool. Yeah, we

1225
01:10:05,636 --> 01:10:10,276
Speaker 1: can wrap up. What do you What do you do

1226
01:10:10,356 --> 01:10:11,476
Speaker 1: to warm up? Vocally?

1227
01:10:12,036 --> 01:10:18,236
Speaker 2: Typically, I've never done I've been on tour with people

1228
01:10:18,236 --> 01:10:23,116
Speaker 2: that do the vocal you know that. No, no, Nony Noon.

1229
01:10:24,036 --> 01:10:26,916
Speaker 3: All like do it to like the tapes and stuff that,

1230
01:10:28,076 --> 01:10:31,116
Speaker 3: you know, never did that.

1231
01:10:31,596 --> 01:10:36,916
Speaker 2: I just I mean, my I don't really have any magic,

1232
01:10:37,436 --> 01:10:41,716
Speaker 2: magic tricks. It's like a lot of a lot of

1233
01:10:41,796 --> 01:10:45,236
Speaker 2: like tea and I mean I've tried all kinds of

1234
01:10:46,316 --> 01:10:52,076
Speaker 2: like things like various potions and singers, saving Grace and

1235
01:10:52,196 --> 01:10:56,316
Speaker 2: like low quad and all the stuff you can get

1236
01:10:56,396 --> 01:10:59,676
Speaker 2: at the health food store. And then if you're really

1237
01:10:59,716 --> 01:11:04,236
Speaker 2: desperate and you gotta play a big show, the secret

1238
01:11:04,396 --> 01:11:09,036
Speaker 2: is the rock doc. It will come to your show,

1239
01:11:10,036 --> 01:11:13,156
Speaker 2: depending on what city you're in and give you a

1240
01:11:13,276 --> 01:11:17,436
Speaker 2: cortizone shot and like a beach well shot in your ass,

1241
01:11:17,876 --> 01:11:21,396
Speaker 2: and then you can sing like you've never sang before.

1242
01:11:22,676 --> 01:11:26,076
Speaker 2: But the problem is when your voice gets sore, it's

1243
01:11:26,076 --> 01:11:28,716
Speaker 2: your body telling you to like rest it.

1244
01:11:29,756 --> 01:11:33,756
Speaker 3: And like if you get a steroid shot.

1245
01:11:32,996 --> 01:11:38,276
Speaker 2: You can sing loud and great, but you're just you're

1246
01:11:38,356 --> 01:11:42,356
Speaker 2: just you know, you're taking your your vocal cords and

1247
01:11:42,396 --> 01:11:45,596
Speaker 2: your throat and everything to like a place they shouldn't

1248
01:11:45,636 --> 01:11:49,436
Speaker 2: be taken to, just like physically speaking. So I've had

1249
01:11:49,556 --> 01:11:56,876
Speaker 2: like times where I'll like I'll resort to that and

1250
01:11:56,916 --> 01:12:00,996
Speaker 2: then you know, the next morning, I'm like, really, I

1251
01:12:01,036 --> 01:12:05,316
Speaker 2: can't talk, you know. So it's kind of a that's

1252
01:12:05,396 --> 01:12:08,796
Speaker 2: like a desperate desperate times situation. But you always hear

1253
01:12:08,876 --> 01:12:11,236
Speaker 2: like remembers about like there's some people that get one

1254
01:12:11,276 --> 01:12:16,116
Speaker 2: before like every show, you know, the older like Steven

1255
01:12:16,156 --> 01:12:17,076
Speaker 2: Tyler or something.

1256
01:12:17,156 --> 01:12:20,156
Speaker 1: You know, I remember walking in on someone one time

1257
01:12:20,556 --> 01:12:23,836
Speaker 1: was done it. It's like the first time.

1258
01:12:23,636 --> 01:12:25,596
Speaker 2: I was kind of like, oh ship, Yeah, it's it's

1259
01:12:25,716 --> 01:12:28,036
Speaker 2: it's really fun like the show you play on it

1260
01:12:28,076 --> 01:12:32,836
Speaker 2: because you're like all like, you know, roid it out

1261
01:12:31,636 --> 01:12:38,156
Speaker 2: and I feel, you know, you didn't rip your shirt

1262
01:12:38,156 --> 01:12:40,476
Speaker 2: off and scream your lad.

1263
01:12:40,396 --> 01:12:44,236
Speaker 1: And yeah, we're waiting for that era. Connor Oberst. Man

1264
01:12:44,316 --> 01:12:47,036
Speaker 1: like the jiu jitsu d.

1265
01:12:48,956 --> 01:12:54,596
Speaker 2: Connor Trent Reznor can lift weights? You know, I don't

1266
01:12:54,636 --> 01:12:55,396
Speaker 2: see why I can't.

1267
01:12:55,916 --> 01:13:00,516
Speaker 1: It's a great point. It's a great point, cool man.

1268
01:13:00,556 --> 01:13:02,556
Speaker 1: Thanks for thanks for indulging me.

1269
01:13:02,596 --> 01:13:02,756
Speaker 2: Man.

1270
01:13:02,756 --> 01:13:04,836
Speaker 1: I feel like I took little more time than I

1271
01:13:04,876 --> 01:13:07,316
Speaker 1: needed to, but just it was fun to talk to.

1272
01:13:07,276 --> 01:13:10,916
Speaker 2: You, and it's great talking to you the music, So

1273
01:13:10,956 --> 01:13:12,996
Speaker 2: thank you so much for doing it.

1274
01:13:16,236 --> 01:13:18,076
Speaker 1: Thanks to Connor Oberst for taking time out of his

1275
01:13:18,156 --> 01:13:20,396
Speaker 1: vocal rest to have a chat about his new album,

1276
01:13:20,476 --> 01:13:23,916
Speaker 1: Five Dices All Threes and to talk through his lengthy career.

1277
01:13:24,676 --> 01:13:26,476
Speaker 1: You can hear some of our favorite Connor Obersts and

1278
01:13:26,516 --> 01:13:29,476
Speaker 1: Saddle Creek songs on a playlist in the episode description,

1279
01:13:29,956 --> 01:13:32,036
Speaker 1: and be sure to follow us on Instagram at the

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01:13:32,036 --> 01:13:35,116
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01:13:35,236 --> 01:13:38,676
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1282
01:13:38,796 --> 01:13:42,236
Speaker 1: marketing help from Eric Sandler and Jordan McMillan. Our engineer

1283
01:13:42,436 --> 01:13:46,796
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01:13:47,196 --> 01:13:49,996
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