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Speaker 1: you Should Know from how Stuff Works dot com. Hey,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's Charles

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Speaker 1: w Chuck Bryant, There's Jerry. This is Stuff you Should

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Speaker 1: Know about the flu, which I have. Do you know

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Speaker 1: the flu? Do you? I don't know, man, I can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't. I've been on the planet for forty one years. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I still can't really tell the difference between a flu

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Speaker 1: And I don't get the flu much. You know, always

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Speaker 1: me feel like dog do do? Right, where's the cold?

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Speaker 1: So I guess I do have the flu. No, no joke, everybody. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm erecting the clear glass in between us. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: think that I've had it long enough now based on

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Speaker 1: else I would have called this off. So did you

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Speaker 1: those went pretty well? Yeah, I thought they were great. Alright,

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Speaker 1: so the flute, we won't reminisce about past victories. We'll

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Speaker 1: just talk about the flu instead. Yeah, how about a

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Speaker 1: stat right off the get go here? Um, the flu

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Speaker 1: and also, sorry everybody for the sniffling that's going to

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Speaker 1: ten in dirty cold Canada, right, I know. And normally

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00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: worst of it here in the United states and UM

425
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,719
Speaker 1: as we mentioned offices and schools, especially because children are

426
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: filthy monsters who just don't wash hands, and they breathe

427
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: on each other and touch each other, and they don't

428
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: cover their mouths when they call for sneeze. But it's

429
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: pretty cute when they hug each other. It's very cute. Actually,

430
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: it's worth it's worth all the sickness in the world.

431
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: It's pretty great. But um, that's the reason that kids

432
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: tend to spread it more because as much as you

433
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: try and teach them to cover their mouth and they

434
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: cough and sneeze and wash their hands a lot, it's

435
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 1: just not really on their radar like it is for adults,

436
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 1: you know, because they are dirty, dirty, dirty creatures. Uh.

437
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: And then you know, the kid then in turn brings

438
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: it home, and then the family gets infected pretty quickly

439
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 1: because tries you might. Um, there's just a lot of

440
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: close contact with kids that you can't avoid. And even

441
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: if you're washing your hands, uh, they will find a

442
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: way to infect you. Right. And if you go even

443
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: further back, there's an even earlier origin before kids picking

444
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: it up at daycare or preschool. UM. For the flu,

445
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: usually it comes from other animals we were finding, right,

446
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: that's frequently birds, like we were saying, right. And they

447
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: used to think that that for a human to catch

448
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: a flu from a bird, especially um, that flu had

449
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 1: to show up in a mixing vessel, usually a pig,

450
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 1: which was capable of taking it could be infected by

451
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 1: a bird flu and a human flu and flu viruses

452
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: have this amazing talent called reassortment, where a flu strain

453
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: and another flu strain can get together and be like, oh, hey,

454
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: you have eight proteins that make up your your RNA.

455
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: I do too, Let's mix and match and see what happens.

456
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: And they thought for a long time that this really

457
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: only took place in pigs, and then out would come

458
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: a new supervirus that no one had ever seen before

459
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: that humans could catch. But from Southeast Asia, people being

460
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: in close contact with infected birds, especially like in the

461
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: poultry industry or something. Um. There have been cases that

462
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: started in the nineties of avian flu coming directly from

463
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: birds to humans, so that that theory went out in

464
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: the window. UM, and that's what set off those fears

465
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: of a bird flu pandemic that we lived with for

466
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: many years. Yeah, that's right, as far as and you

467
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: know that a lot of that was just spread from

468
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: bird poop. Yeah, and it's scared people because that that

469
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: those bird flus are no joke. Like they have like

470
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: a sixty percent mortality rate. Sixty six out of ten

471
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: people who come down with H five N one bird

472
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: flu die. Right. Luckily, it's really really difficult to catch

473
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: it even when you are around sick birds. It doesn't

474
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 1: very frequently make the jump to humans, but it can,

475
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,719
Speaker 1: is they what they found. Yeah, as far as the

476
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: regular flu, the garden variety flu that we're talking about

477
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: mainly here, Uh, it spreads from uh well, like we said,

478
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: from from touching stuff, from coughing and sneezing. When you

479
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: cough and sneeze. Even even if you think you're covering

480
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: your mouth pretty well, um, there may be little little

481
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: fluids squirting out between your fingers up to a few feet.

482
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 1: It's in the air around you. Um, that stuff can travel,

483
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: you know. So if that lands on a door knob,

484
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: or if someone covers her mouth like a like a

485
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: normal and then opens a door or borrows a stapler

486
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: or whatever, it's gonna be on that door knob and

487
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,720
Speaker 1: then you touch it. And that's why I like handwashing

488
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: by the sick and by the non sick is so crucial.

489
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: And if you're like having an anxious day at work

490
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: and you're doing your normal thing of chewing on your

491
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: state are to relieve anxiety. And the guy who borrowed

492
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: it it was sick. Your toast. You are toast. And

493
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: as you mentioned earlier, it bears repeating. You can be

494
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: sick a day before symptoms, and you can or you

495
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: can be contagious a day before symptoms and still remain

496
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: contagious up to seven days after the symptoms start. Right,

497
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: So even if you feel better after day four, you

498
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: could still be spreading that junk around her a few

499
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: more days. Right. And they say that even after you

500
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: feel better, you should stay in bed an extra day

501
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: because again, your immune system is is compromised and you

502
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: are are like you can catch other stuff, so you

503
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: want to be careful. That extra day really pays off,

504
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: and that's when you just lay in bed and watch

505
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: Stranger Things too, Right, I haven't seen it yet? Is

506
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: it good? Yeah? We just finished it last night. Cool.

507
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: Did you see the first season? Oh? Yeah, yeah, that

508
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: was great. Season two is just as great, if not better.

509
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: I'm I'm glad to say that too. I was a

510
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: little nervous, you know, because it was something I loved

511
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh man, season two a lot of pressure. Well, yeah,

512
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: that's how it happens. The sophomore season is very frequently

513
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: like uh, every everyone's aware of the success of the

514
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: show and what people are saying about. They try to

515
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: adapt to the expectations rather than continuing on doing what

516
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: they were doing before. But good for you guys Stranger Things.

517
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: Yeah so great. I want to get those Duffer brothers

518
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: on the movie Crush. Oh yeah, it'd be cool. Those

519
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: guys be great. Um. Should we take a break, Yeah,

520
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: I think so. All right, we'll come back and talk

521
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: a little bit about pandemics alright, Chuck. So we were

522
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: talking about how seasonal flu has seasons. That's why it's

523
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: called seasonal flu. Right. Um, that's that's I guess one

524
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: classification of flus. There's also a pandemic flu, and the

525
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: same kind of flu virus can be a pandemic flu

526
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: or a seasonal flu. And I think usually the way

527
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: it happens is a new virus will emerge from say

528
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: like livestock or poultry or something like that. And infect humans,

529
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: and if it's totally novel where no human has ever

530
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: encountered a flu of this type before. It can just

531
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: lay waste to people, can kill a lot of people,

532
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: It can infect a lot of people that can spread

533
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: the world, and when that happens, it becomes classified as

534
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: a pandemic flu. After a couple of rounds around the world,

535
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: people will have started to develop an immunity to it,

536
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: but it will still be passed around and so for

537
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: the decade or so, it can be the predominant strain

538
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: of the flu, but it will be it'll have changed

539
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: overdue a seasonal type of flu. So it's almost like

540
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: the pandemic versus seasonal type flu. Describes how contagious it

541
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: is and the how how virulent it is. I think

542
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: that's the big distinction. Yeah. And I think also in

543
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: the pandemic, doesn't that mean it is left the country? Yeah,

544
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: I think that is kind of one of the indicators

545
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: of it too. Yeah. Uh, nineteen eighteen that was this.

546
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: These numbers are staggering. This is the worst flu pandemic

547
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: in world history in nineteen eighteen for I don't know

548
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: what months exactly, but nineteen eighteen and nineteen and it

549
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: killed more than twenty million people around the world, and

550
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: it killed most of those people actually in four months

551
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: from September to December. Isn't that crazy? More lives were

552
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: lost then all twenty century wars combined to to the flu. Yeah,

553
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: well you said twenty million, twenty million worldwide, about half

554
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: a million in the United States. I saw in many

555
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: reputable places. Fifty million people died in the world. It's

556
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,719
Speaker 1: just it's staggering. Yeah, And that was like right at

557
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: the end of World War One and just came out

558
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: of nowhere. And one of the other really noteworthy things

559
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: about it that just baffled people was it was killing

560
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: like healthy people under the age of like twenty two,

561
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: like just healthy young people killed by the flu, and

562
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: a lot of them died from pneumonia. And they finally

563
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: figured out that it was because it had been about

564
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: twenty something years since a flu resembling that type of

565
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: strain had made the rounds, So people undersay, like age

566
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: five had never been exposed to it, So it was

567
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: a novel flu which just leveled the people it was

568
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: exposed to. It never never encountered something like it before.

569
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: It's I mean, it's scared to think about. I mean,

570
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: surely that couldn't happen today, could it? Or could it? Man?

571
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: You think that we could had something like that off

572
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: these days? Um? Do you know like a third the

573
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: population of the world was infected with that flu that year? Wow?

574
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? I know that's hard to believe. Yeah,

575
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: that can totally happen. It's a it's a real concern, alright.

576
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 1: So as far as your risk of getting the flu. Uh,

577
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: if you're a kid, like there's different risk groups like

578
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: high risk, low risk, whatever, medium or average risk. But

579
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: if you're under two years old, your your little immune

580
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: system isn't quite smart enough yet to know how to

581
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: fight things off, so you're definitely more at risk. And

582
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,240
Speaker 1: as always, what affects the children also affect the elderly.

583
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: So if you're over sixty five, um seniors as elderly

584
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: wrong to say, I think elderly technically eighty one? Really

585
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: all right, so we'll go with seniors, seniors, active senior

586
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: adults who have decades left to ahead of him, that's right.

587
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: Who else? Anyone who has any kind of chronic like

588
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: I mentioned asthma or diabetes, any kind of chronic condition,

589
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: if you're pregnant, if you work in a hospital or

590
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: a doctor's office, yea, or nursing home. Nursing home is

591
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: not just people who work there, but the residents too

592
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: are in a really vulnerable position. Because they are in

593
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: the elderly age range. Their immune systems are pretty compromised.

594
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: If they're in a nursing home, they're probably ill already,

595
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: and then they're living in close quarters with other people

596
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: who are ill. That's that's a that's a recipe for

597
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,360
Speaker 1: a disaster. Yeah, sure is UM. It's also a recipe

598
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 1: for tapioca pudding. It is the best around UM remedy wise,

599
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: And we'll talk about vaccinations here in a minute, because

600
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of one of the most

601
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: interesting parts of this UM. But as far as remedies,

602
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 1: if you get the flu um, it's a it's a virus.

603
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: So you can't take anti biotics. Uh, you can't take

604
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: a pill that's gonna cure you. There are some anti

605
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: viral drugs, which I've never tried any of these of you. No, no, no,

606
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: I tried zy Cam last year or once. I think

607
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,959
Speaker 1: that's for colds. Yeah, I thought that was like that discredited. Well,

608
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: it I mean I had a few people say, oh,

609
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, you try zycam. It helps not got your

610
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: cold faster. It killed my sense of taste and smell.

611
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: Oh no, for several days, to the point where I

612
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: was scared. I don't remember that. I'll bet you were scared. Yeah,

613
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 1: And I looked it up and it's a thing. Oh

614
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: I do remember that. Actually, yeah, yeah, that's that's just

615
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: really unnerving, the idea of maybe it's permanent. Yeah it was.

616
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 1: It was pretty pretty freaky and super noticeable. It wasn't

617
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: like a subtle thing. You'd be like chilling. I miss you.

618
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: So that was my experience. I'm not making some sweeping

619
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: statement about that medication. Way to see you, amen. But

620
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: there are anti viral drugs called there's one called tama

621
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: flu relenza flumidine. Little woman knows if you ask me

622
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: flu stop well, any viral drug. They seem like a

623
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 1: good idea. But they seem like a good idea under

624
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: the premise that seasonal flu streams were used to think.

625
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: They used to think that they died out at the

626
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: end of the season. Right, Well, they started tracking them,

627
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: like our global monitoring system is really top notch, and

628
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: they can track flu around the world, and they've found

629
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: that seasonal flu at the end of the season in

630
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: North America, it just goes to South America. Um So,

631
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: since since that's the case, when you use anti virals

632
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: and you're exposing these flus that go on to survive,

633
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: you're also training them evolutionarily speaking, to adapt so that

634
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: those those antiviral drugs are useless against them for people

635
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,959
Speaker 1: who really need them. So, just like with antibiotics, using

636
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Speaker 1: anti virals just to to cure a common flu or

637
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: to shorten a common flu is probably a bad idea

638
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: when you're talking about the whole population. Yeah, and that's

639
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: what they do. They they what they try to do

640
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: is just keep the spread cellular spread from happening is

641
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: as much as it can. And that's sort of the

642
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: easiest way to say it. Yeah. Yeah, there's there's one

643
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: keeps them well to a pair of them, keep them

644
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Speaker 1: from replicating, and then another one traps them inside a cell.

645
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 1: Once they enter, it's like, oh God, I can't get

646
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Speaker 1: out the door is locked, and then death. And they're

647
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: all prescription drugs, right if I'm not mistaken. So vaccines

648
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: are like pretty hot. They're like the hot thing to

649
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: do on a Friday night is to go get a

650
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: flu vaccine. Right. Yeah, I didn't get I didn't get

651
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: flu shots for many, many, many many years until I

652
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: had a kid. Yeah, And they say like if you,

653
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Speaker 1: if you, especially if you have a baby under six

654
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Speaker 1: months of age, they can't be vaccinated. Um and so

655
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,959
Speaker 1: everyone around them should be vaccinated, is the recommended recommendation

656
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: from the CDC. Yeah, like our close family, the grand

657
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: grand in, the abbas all uh and the pop pops

658
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: and the papas and the poopas and the memangs and

659
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: the momos. That's all right. Yeah, uh yeah, Momo got

660
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Speaker 1: a flu shot. That was nice of her. She's very kind.

661
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: Uh So, yeah, we all got flu shots. And I

662
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: just wasn't you know, I never got the flu much.

663
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Speaker 1: I'd never I didn't have a disbelief in the flu vaccine.

664
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Speaker 1: I was just like, I don't I don't really need

665
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: to bother with that. Yeah, that's kind of do you

666
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: get them now though? Now is it a habit of yours? Now? Well? Yeah, now,

667
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: just they just sort of recommend it. When you have

668
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: kids up up until they're a certain age, you should

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Speaker 1: get vaccinated as a family, right, and when you have kids,

670
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Speaker 1: if you get them vaccinated, you um, once they're able

671
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Speaker 1: to be vaccinated again under six months, they say, no, no, no,

672
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Speaker 1: I don't do that. UM. When they're young though, and

673
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Speaker 1: you're getting them vaccinated, they need to be vaccinated twice,

674
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 1: like a month apart. Yes, And so with flu vaccines

675
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: in general, they recommend that you get it as early

676
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: in the season and as possible because it takes about

677
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: two weeks for that to take effect. So with a kid,

678
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: then I guess you would want to get UM so

679
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: that six weeks before the flu season. I don't know,

680
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Speaker 1: or is that there is that second one pretty much

681
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: like okay, now it's taking effect four weeks plus two weeks,

682
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Speaker 1: or just don't remember the schedule? Um, yeah, I don't

683
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: remember the schedule. Well ask your doctor. Okay, we're not doctors.

684
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: Stop pressure. They'll tell you, like when you go to

685
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: get your little kitty check ups, they say, you know,

686
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Speaker 1: come back at this month and get your flu shot

687
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Speaker 1: number one, and then flu shot number two, and so

688
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: for UM a while there they there were two kinds

689
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Speaker 1: of flu shots that the CDC recommended. One was an

690
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: actual shot the flu vaccine that was in a shot form,

691
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Speaker 1: and then there was another one that's called live attenuated

692
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: influenza virus UM, which came in the form of a

693
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Speaker 1: nasal spray, and that was usually recommended for kids. I

694
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Speaker 1: don't know if it's because kids are like needles or what,

695
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: but the CDC IS officially stopped recommending UM nasal flu vaccines. Yeah,

696
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Speaker 1: you don't do those right well. And when they were

697
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 1: doing it, when we say kids, you had to be

698
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: over five because it was a like you said, alive

699
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: alive virus, right, it was a live, weakend virus. Yeah,

700
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Speaker 1: And that's different. Like if you think, all right, I'm

701
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Speaker 1: gonna get a flu shot, so that means I'm gonna

702
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: get the flu virus shot into me, and so I

703
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: might feel like I have the flu, that's not really

704
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: the case. It's it's really kind of neat how they

705
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: do it. These the scientists and doctors, like you said,

706
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: track what's going on in the world of flu all

707
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: over the world, and they they sort of make up

708
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: they don't sort of. They very definitely make a prediction

709
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Speaker 1: and say, here's the flu strain specific to the United States.

710
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Speaker 1: Let's say that I think we're going to be faced

711
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Speaker 1: with this year, and they make their best scientific guests possible,

712
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: and that is the you get a a not live

713
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: version of that virus injected into your body. Your body sees, hey,

714
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: foreign invaders here, let me produce antibodies. Then if that

715
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: virus or if the real flu knocks on your door

716
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: later that winter, your body says, wait, I've met you before,

717
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: and I don't fight you. But it's pretty cool like

718
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 1: and it literally the effectiveness I looked up this year

719
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: and it's a year to year thing. It's on this

720
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: year's strain, and it it varies because it really just

721
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Speaker 1: depends on how well those scientists have predicted how much

722
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: they get it right right, because if if they get

723
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Speaker 1: all three wrong, well, then your toast when you encounter

724
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: the flu that's going around that season. But even when

725
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: they do get it right, it's kind of baffling that

726
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: sometimes the flu vaccine just doesn't bestow any kind of immunity.

727
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: Apparently Australia just came out of a really bad epidemic

728
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: flu season down there, and what didn't cause a lot

729
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: of deaths, but everybody was sick with the flu um

730
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: It was an H three type flu that went around

731
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Speaker 1: and even though that strange showed up in the vaccine

732
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: that was given out UM only like fent of people

733
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: who got vaccinated and were exposed to the flu were

734
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: immune to it. People who got flu vaccines and then

735
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: encounter the flu still got sick. That's a pretty bad

736
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 1: track record for a flu vaccine. And they're they're just

737
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: not sure why and what. One of the theories is.

738
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: So when they make um flu vaccines, they grow them

739
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: in egg protein, typically like eggs. That's the medium they

740
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 1: used to actually grow the viruses that they then kill UM.

741
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: One researcher pointed out that at least one kind of

742
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: flu virus mutates in the presence of egg protein, so

743
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: that this the virus that you put in to grow

744
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: in there is different from the one that comes out.

745
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: It's a mutated version, and so maybe that would would

746
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: prevent UM your body from recognizing the original one that

747
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: you're trying to introduce it to in the vaccine. So interesting,

748
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 1: it is pretty interesting. Well, and they say there's a

749
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Speaker 1: list of h people who should not receive the flu shot,

750
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: and one of the one of those qualifications is if

751
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: you are allergic to chicken eggs, then you shouldn't get

752
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: a flu shot. Yeah, there's like a couple of other

753
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: ways that they make flu shots UM flu vaccines, but

754
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: that chicken egg is the most predominant way to do it. Yeah,

755
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: if you're currently have a fever weight on your flu

756
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 1: shot under six months, of course, we said you cannot uh,

757
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: if you have had flu shots in the past and

758
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: you had a bad reaction, because like I said, it's

759
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: not gonna make you sick, but you might feel a

760
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: little achy or have sore muscles or something. But you

761
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: can have a bad reaction. And if that's the case,

762
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: and maybe flu shots aren't for you, right, and if

763
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: you're an anti vaxer, then you probably are decided that

764
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: flu shots aren't for you, correct, which we will never

765
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 1: do an episode on that vaccinations, right, Oh you don't

766
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: think so, I don't know, man. So the the idea

767
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: that of flu vaccine can you know, check all the

768
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: boxes but still just be wrong, wrong, wrong, or not

769
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 1: confer immunity. UM has some people looking for a universal

770
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: vaccine or one that lasts way longer than just a year. UM.

771
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: What they're targeting is so when you get a normal vaccine,

772
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: that vaccine is based on that h a protein, the

773
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: hima hema gluten. Yeah, um, And that's the most quickly

774
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: evolving part of any flu virus, right, So they're saying, well,

775
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: let's look at other parts of the flu virus that

776
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: don't evolve nearly as quickly and target that. And some

777
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: of those parts are even basically universal among all flu viruses.

778
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: So if you can find if you can create a

779
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: vaccine based on a stable part of a flu virus

780
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: that's a part of every flu virus, one vaccine could

781
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: confer ideally lifelong immunity from all influenza for anybody who

782
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:16,439
Speaker 1: takes the vaccine. One vaccine to cure them all exactly. Wow. Yeah,

783
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 1: So are you got anything else? No? I mean, I

784
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: guess we're not going to cover the boogie woogie flu.

785
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 1: I thought that was boogie woogie fever. No, it's the

786
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: rock and pneumonia and the boogie wiggie flue. Oh that's nice.

787
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: What's that from? Is that an Atlanta Rhythm Section song? No,

788
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: they're they're better than that. Okay, Uh, well, since I

789
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: said Atlanta Rhythm Section everybody, that means it's time for

790
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 1: a listener mail. Uh. Yeah, this is a Simpsons over

791
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: a looked overlook Simpson's bit from us and This is

792
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: not one of those. We got plenty of things where

793
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: people like, hell, could you not have mentioned this quote

794
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: or this episode? But the response was good. Then people

795
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: weren't necessarily poopooing it. No. And also I want to

796
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: say thank you to everybody who wrote in to just

797
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: say congratulations or to thank us. Um that was all.

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00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: Every single one of those emails or tweets or posts

799
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: were all well received. So thanks for those guys, totally.

800
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: But this is something we we failed to mention which

801
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: definitely deserves its own email. And this is from rich

802
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 1: our Man on Cape Cod As he says, Hey, guys,

803
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: was listening to The Simpsons two partter enjoyed it very much.

804
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: You explained how an episode came to be from conception

805
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: to animation, etcetera. And you paid respect to each portion.

806
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: But then you slide it off one of the most

807
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: important men in the franchise, you just said, and then

808
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 1: they slapped Danny Elpin score on it, and it's done well.

809
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: Is any true Simpsons officionada would know Danny Elfin has

810
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: never once written a score to the Simpsons. Uh, he wrote,

811
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: as we know, just the title or the theme, the

812
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: theme so on. So he says, uh, that job fell

813
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Speaker 1: to the immensely talented and recently terminated via email, Alf Clawson.

814
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 1: For twenty seven years, every score, every queue, every song

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Speaker 1: was composed, orchestrated and conducted by Clawson and his live orchestra.

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00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: He's won two Emmy's and seven Annie Awards for his work.

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00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: The reason this is such a painful site, uh, it

818
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 1: was because this omission has been happening for years. Clawson

819
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: has worked insane hours writing music for a live orchestra

820
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: to a company and animated show. He's always played second fiddle.

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00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 1: Nailed it, he said to all those who think Elfman

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Speaker 1: is any part of the show, after he penned the

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00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: main title. In fact, the main title theme song We

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Speaker 1: All Know and Love is actually Clawson's re orchestration of

825
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: Elfman's theme that took place uh mid season three with

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00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: a lusher, more crisp orchestration. I bet you anything. Rich

827
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: plays the oboe, Alf Clawson. I'm so sorry, I know,

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Speaker 1: he said, imire your podcast for bering liked information that

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00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: has been stuck lurking in the shadows. You always make

830
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: sure credit is given to those who sometimes went their

831
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: entire lives without getting a nod. They deserve this guy's

832
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Speaker 1: really turning the nine in our backs doesn't and I

833
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: feel you Oak Clausen that respect. So Alf Clausen for real.

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Speaker 1: And then he was a bit of a longer email.

835
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Speaker 1: He told the story of how he was recently fired

836
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: by email, which is not cool. No, it's definitely not Yes,

837
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: seven years of dedicated work man not cool, guys. So

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00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: that is a rich art man on Cape cod Well,

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Speaker 1: thanks a lot, rich, appreciate that. That was one of

840
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: the better emails I've heard in a while. I agreed.

841
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 1: If you want to try and top rich, let's see

842
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: what you got. You can tweet to us. You can

843
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: join us on Facebook, but you send us an email.

844
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,319
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