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Speaker 1: I am your host, Angela Rai. It is Solo Pod
Speaker 1: Day and I am thrilled to be joined today by
Speaker 1: some extraordinary legal scholars to break down some very very
Speaker 1: pressing news in this country right now. Many of y'all
Speaker 1: have probably heard by now that the Supreme Court undermined
Speaker 1: a black appointed judge who is a black woman in
Speaker 1: California appointed by Joe Biden, who issued a stay in
Speaker 1: a decision around ice invasion. Let's call it what it is.
Speaker 1: Ice is invasion in Los Angeles. We know that Donald
Speaker 1: Trump has been targeting blue states and blue cities, and
Speaker 1: in particular cities that are run by black people. So
Speaker 1: of course the black mayor in Los Angeles is Karen Vass.
Speaker 1: They saw it as a victory and put Ice at bay.
Speaker 1: They put Ice on ice for just a little while.
Speaker 1: But yesterday the Supreme Court, under the guidance of Brett Kavanaugh,
Speaker 1: decided that the role of the court should not be
Speaker 1: in law enforcement right and So today we are going
Speaker 1: to be talking to some incredible people who I trust
Speaker 1: in this space and in so many others, about what
Speaker 1: ICE the new authority that ICE has because of the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court continuing to cave to Donald Trump, we do
Speaker 1: have some dissenters. Leading the descent in yesterday's decision was
Speaker 1: Supreme Court Justice Sonya Sotomayor, and of course concurring was
Speaker 1: Elena Kagan and our very own Katanji Brown Jackson. So
Speaker 1: I do want to get into this. This case is
Speaker 1: a Gnome versus Pedro Vasquez Perdomo, and I want us
Speaker 1: to talk about what this means, not just for LA,
Speaker 1: not just for DC, not just for Chicago where we're
Speaker 1: starting to see some interference. And joining me today is
Speaker 1: not a Jumfie, who, as you all will recall, is
Speaker 1: the executive director of Black Alliance for Just Immigration and
Speaker 1: also my favorite upcoming lawyer, A B. Tucker, who you
Speaker 1: all will know from all things social media. She kills
Speaker 1: it with great regularity, as she does it in common
Speaker 1: sense terms. So you're gonna be like, y'all will be like,
Speaker 1: what's a stay, what's a concurring opinion? What's a dissent?
Speaker 1: What are all of these things? What do they mean?
Speaker 2: And what does it have to do with me?
Speaker 1: AB can break it down to the lowest common denominator
Speaker 1: or like we say, break it down like fresh. So, ladies,
Speaker 1: welcome and thank you so much for being here. Native
Speaker 1: Lampard is always a home to you. What is going
Speaker 1: on in these streets? And this got you?
Speaker 2: What is happening? What is the Supreme Court do it?
Speaker 1: Now? I want to start with you because you you
Speaker 1: organizing us and getting us together and still show up
Speaker 1: glowing with the anointing on you. So there must still
Speaker 1: be hope somewhere. Thank you. Yes, there's hope somewhere. There's
Speaker 1: hope with us. That's where the hope is the people.
Speaker 1: So what is going on is that this regime and
Speaker 1: its supporters in the Supreme Court are getting on all fours.
Speaker 1: They have just decided that they're just going to be
Speaker 1: who they are. They're going to revive the techniques of
Speaker 1: the crash units at LAPD, the jump out boys of NYPD,
Speaker 1: we can go, you know, the torture the cops in Chicago,
Speaker 1: and they're going to say that all of that is
Speaker 1: okay because it's all right to racially profile people. It's
Speaker 1: all right to profile people based upon the jobs that
Speaker 1: they work at. It's all right to profile people based
Speaker 1: upon whether or not they have an accent. And you know,
Speaker 1: but also we're going to pretend that that's not racially
Speaker 1: profiling people, right, And we understand this specifically as black people,
Speaker 1: immigrant or citizen, because when we think about how our
Speaker 1: children ended up on gang databases, hello, when we think
Speaker 1: about the racial profile that had us being stopped left
Speaker 1: and right, stopped and frisked, stopped in our cars. The
Speaker 1: whole Black Lives Matter movement and movement for black lives
Speaker 1: is about how people are Black people being racially profiled
Speaker 1: and then ended up dead or injured. And this Supreme
Speaker 1: Court has said, yes, that is fine, and it's also
Speaker 1: don't worry Angela because you just have to carry a
Speaker 1: pass or a passport around And so when they stop
Speaker 1: you because they think that you're from the Caribbean, that
Speaker 1: don't worry. You just got to pull out your passport.
Speaker 1: When we know that we don't want our people to
Speaker 1: be under that pass condition and we can't. We got
Speaker 1: black folks that can't get a real ID. So who
Speaker 1: are we really talking about here? And I think that
Speaker 1: is just it. So I want to get into this
Speaker 1: Supreme Court case in all of its meanings, particularly around profiling.
Speaker 1: But I need y'all to put a pin in this
Speaker 1: because so I don't forget. But I also want to
Speaker 1: make sure we're clear about is that the Supreme Court
Speaker 1: ain't trying to use race in no other space where
Speaker 1: it's beneficial, but they do want to use it where
Speaker 1: it could be harmful, right like they are. They're willing
Speaker 1: to call out how many millions of people are here
Speaker 1: in the United States illegally or in an undocumented way
Speaker 1: at the very beginning of what they lay out as
Speaker 1: facts in this decision, But they do not want to
Speaker 1: talk about the benefits of using race and college admissions
Speaker 1: and using it in contracting and using it in hiring.
Speaker 1: They don't want to talk about it anywhere else. So
Speaker 1: I think that is anyway we need to get to
Speaker 1: that too, because I think it is that there's a
Speaker 1: way to tell people you don't belong without saying you
Speaker 1: don't belong. So I definitely want to talk about that.
Speaker 1: But Abe, let me come to you when you reflect
Speaker 1: on what you understand to be the case for me
Speaker 1: yesterday when you're breaking down sis. How do you how
Speaker 1: do you tell the laymen how this applies to them,
Speaker 1: especially the those who are like, well, I'm cool with
Speaker 1: ice on these streets because they don't apply to me.
Speaker 1: So how do you break this down to them? Okay,
Speaker 1: if you.
Speaker 2: Don't look white, then you should not be cool with
Speaker 2: ice because they may not be cool with you. Right
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, the decision specifically said,
Speaker 2: there's what ten percent of the population in Los Angeles
Speaker 2: is allegedly illegal immigrants from Mexico and Central America. What
Speaker 2: they said was is use your common sense. If I
Speaker 2: look at you and you look Latino. If I look
Speaker 2: at you and you're at home depot, right, and you Latino.
Speaker 2: I look at you at home depot and Latino, and
Speaker 2: you got paint on your shoes. I look at you.
Speaker 2: Your look Latino, you're at home depot, you got paint
Speaker 2: on your shoes, and your English is a little bit shiky.
Speaker 2: Come on to get in the back of this paddywagon
Speaker 2: real quick. Let me holler at you, right Like, that's
Speaker 2: essentially what they're saying, and it has everything to do
Speaker 2: with you, because even if it's not you today, it's
Speaker 2: going to be you tomorrow. Right. It was us as
Speaker 2: black people, as was mentioned, right when you think about
Speaker 2: stopping for terry stops came from an officer stopping a
Speaker 2: black man because a legend he looked, he looked suspicious, right,
Speaker 2: And then they came up with this whole idea of
Speaker 2: it's not really race, it's just you kind of look
Speaker 2: a little funny because of where you're at. Right, So
Speaker 2: it went from us as black people, and they was like, okay,
Speaker 2: as cool as black people, and now it's a whole
Speaker 2: nother population of people. But let's also talk about the
Speaker 2: white people from Europe that are here who've overstayed their visa, right,
Speaker 2: which you as well should be illegal. So do I
Speaker 2: get to look at a white person in their face? Right?
Speaker 2: As Elizabeth if she on the road right now, she said,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to the sea bass stops and look
Speaker 2: at white people and stake out if you're a school shooter, right, Like,
Speaker 2: is that what we're going? Is that what everybody's gonna
Speaker 2: do at this point, because that's what it comes down to.
Speaker 2: I look at you and I say, you don't look
Speaker 2: like you belong here, and they're saying they don't think
Speaker 2: we belong here. You just had a US senator from
Speaker 2: Missouri who literally said this not y'all stuff. This was
Speaker 2: for us. Our ancestors left it for us, and if
Speaker 2: we have it for everybody, well then it ain't for.
Speaker 1: Us no more.
Speaker 2: So they're staying at out louds. So you could be
Speaker 2: cool with ice until you're in the back of the
Speaker 2: patty wagon. And I think, can I just add to that, yes, no,
Speaker 2: go ahead, absolutely, because when we think about LA, for
Speaker 2: any of you who have been in LA, there are
Speaker 2: black immigrants here. You may not know they're black immigrants
Speaker 2: until you know they get killed, and then it's like
Speaker 2: nipsey hustle, What are these eritreans doing here? Right then
Speaker 2: you find the information. But that's not going to be
Speaker 2: the case in Chicago. That's not going to be the
Speaker 2: case in New York. That's not going to be the
Speaker 2: case in Baltimore. All of us are living together, and
Speaker 2: all three of us right here could be black immigrants,
Speaker 2: and that's at least what they're going to say. And
Speaker 2: they have all the federal agencies working together. And if
Speaker 2: you look at Kavanaugh's opinion, he talks about people reasonable
Speaker 2: suspicion for violating immigration law or federal law. We already
Speaker 2: see that playing out in New York, right, and the
Speaker 2: mean in DC wherever they're using everybody to profile black people,
Speaker 2: especially black youth. And that's what's going to come to
Speaker 2: Chicago and to black folks wherever you are across this
Speaker 2: country if this is allowed to stand.
Speaker 1: So on this, let's get to kavanav for just a moment,
Speaker 1: because Judge from pong I Hope I'm pronouncing her last name, right,
Speaker 1: who made this initial ruling from the Central District of California,
Speaker 1: again a Biden appointee, said that reasonable suspicion cannot rest
Speaker 1: solely on any combination of four factors apparent race or ethnicity,
Speaker 1: speaking in Spanish or accented English, being present at a
Speaker 1: location where undocumented immigrants are quote known together, and working
Speaker 1: at specific jobs such as landscaping or construction. So she
Speaker 1: basically outlawed with her ruling racial profiling, right or immigrant
Speaker 1: immigrant profiling, maybe not immigrant profile, racial profile. And let's
Speaker 1: call it what it is because some of these people
Speaker 1: that speak with these things, that are in these places
Speaker 1: are not undocumented people. So what Judge Kavanaugh does is say,
Speaker 1: hold up right to her ruling and say we're gonna
Speaker 1: let this whole appeal play out. And while this appeal,
Speaker 1: Trump's appeal is playing out, y'all can go on about
Speaker 1: your business and keep doing what you're doing, which is
Speaker 1: terrorizing community. Now, given the fact that you're in LA
Speaker 1: right now, can you talk about some of what you've
Speaker 1: seen as an outgrowth of some of this terror and
Speaker 1: what you're preparing for as folks shift their attention to Chicago.
Speaker 1: So just this morning I got noticed from some people
Speaker 1: doing court watching Criminal Courts Building downtown La. You know
Speaker 1: that building, several people picked up just as they're walking
Speaker 1: out of the building, they angela are already Just this
Speaker 1: morning court started at eight thirty am, you know Pacific
Speaker 1: eleven thirty Eastern Dome. They already picked depth, she said,
Speaker 1: tens of people as they came out, not asking them questions,
Speaker 1: not having warrants, just running grabbing folks that, as far
Speaker 1: as they were concerned, fit the description right and taking them.
Speaker 1: What this means and what people have seen and are
Speaker 1: continuing to see, is it means that people are being
Speaker 1: ripped out of, you know, their children's arms. People are
Speaker 1: being chased like enslaved Africans trying to be free in
Speaker 1: home depot down, the aisles of home depot down. You know,
Speaker 1: people are being chased in these agricultural farms. People are
Speaker 1: being having folks just show up wherever they think that
Speaker 1: folks could be. So the swap meets those taco trucks,
Speaker 1: like all the things actually that make LA kind of live.
Speaker 1: People are being grabbed up African vendors, you know, those
Speaker 1: vendors that are you know, selling their Louis Patan and
Speaker 1: all of that. They are grabbing those folks, and some
Speaker 1: of those folks that's the only way that our whole
Speaker 1: crew is able to survive. So what we're seeing is tears.
Speaker 1: We're also seeing defiance though, right, and we're seeing a
Speaker 1: lot of people helping out people. You're minding people what
Speaker 1: their rights are in that moment, trying to comfort people,
Speaker 1: getting their information, community defense. But what Kavanaugh has done
Speaker 1: because also to remember, when they do this type of
Speaker 1: shadow docket thing, they don't have to say anything. They
Speaker 1: could just say no. Kavanaugh purposefully did a concurrence so
Speaker 1: that he could lay out the way in which racial
Speaker 1: profiling should happen. And I don't think that it's a
Speaker 1: coincidence that this happened right before they claim they're going
Speaker 1: into Chicago and Baltimore. I do not angelatte A B.
Speaker 1: I think this is to let them know you can
Speaker 1: go after those Negroes the same way we've done god
Speaker 1: after these immigrants over here. Let me ask y'all this
Speaker 1: because this is an area that I've been honing in
Speaker 1: on watching some of the decisions come out of this
Speaker 1: Supreme Court. And it's a question y'all might not like
Speaker 1: me for, but we sister, so we're gonna talk through it.
Speaker 1: The question is on standing now. He did bring up
Speaker 1: standing in this concurrence, and he said that the challengers
Speaker 1: likely lack a legal right to suit known as standing,
Speaker 1: because although they may have been stopped in the past,
Speaker 1: they have no good basis to believe that law enforcement
Speaker 1: will unlawfully stop them in future in the future based
Speaker 1: on the prohibited factors. Now, y'all, the reason why I'm
Speaker 1: bringing this up is because I do think that historically
Speaker 1: we have been able to say we're gonna come at
Speaker 1: this proactively and given that this type of person wouldn't
Speaker 1: fit the mold, even based on what they've laid out
Speaker 1: as reasons for racial profiling like they would fit the
Speaker 1: mold because there's not an existing harm. This court ain't
Speaker 1: full of with it. I'm watching them time after they
Speaker 1: did it to AFG, so I'm like, why are we
Speaker 1: not responding with somebody with actual standing? Now you could
Speaker 1: say no, no, I can hear you all right. You
Speaker 1: could say, well, Gerde would, but Rodney's behind bars right now,
Speaker 1: get him. We need Rodney. We need Rodney. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Why are we not learning this lesson?
Speaker 1: Y'all might be mad at me. I'm telling the family business,
Speaker 1: but I want us to get better, So y'all help me.
Speaker 1: Why are we learning this lesson around standing? Who do
Speaker 1: you want to say? Hey, you ready to catch me out?
Speaker 1: Whoever feels I would say two things. I think I
Speaker 1: would say. Part of it is that this is why
Speaker 1: we have to have multiple lawsuits on things, because sometimes
Speaker 1: there's a wax on and a wax off, right, I
Speaker 1: think number one. I think number two, And I think
Speaker 1: it's important because and this is why you gotta center
Speaker 1: black people. If you notice there are no black orgs
Speaker 1: in this thing, that's another conversation, Okay. In terms of
Speaker 1: plaintifs filing et cetera. But we would bring in maybe
Speaker 1: a different kind of understanding of the racial profiling piece
Speaker 1: to be able to argue that a little bit better.
Speaker 1: I will say that if I was in front of
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court now, one of the points I would
Speaker 1: make is that your decision, Justice Kavanaugh, actually means that
Speaker 1: all of us are in perpetual standing because you have
Speaker 1: decided that these people can pick us up at any time.
Speaker 1: So unless I'm in detention and deportation right now, I
Speaker 1: have standing because you have put me as having standing.
Speaker 1: Thank you so very much. Let us continue to the
Speaker 1: next thing. That's good now, Nana. That's now, here's the
Speaker 1: thing that is the case now that was not the
Speaker 1: case when he issued the opinion. And that's what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: I think that is brilliant, and you should say that everywhere,
Speaker 1: not just here on this podcast. Please go forth and
Speaker 1: say it everywhere. And also we're going to do the
Speaker 1: same thing. We might attribute it to you. We may not,
Speaker 1: but because you know, the Supreme Court might allow us
Speaker 1: to plagiarize. At this point, we don't know or we're going,
Speaker 1: but this is a great point, Like now, your decision
Speaker 1: makes it so that we all have standing. So now
Speaker 1: it's going to be about a million of us as
Speaker 1: plain on this next round, right, Like that's exact exactly, Yes,
Speaker 1: then that's what we should do. I want to hear,
Speaker 1: hayp what you got to fight me on it?
Speaker 2: Lit's hear. I just feel like we've been here before,
Speaker 2: which is why we know better, right, We've had to
Speaker 2: have these type of cases before, which is why I
Speaker 2: thought it was ironic to bring up the fact that
Speaker 2: there are no black organizations on here. We used to
Speaker 2: setting up a gameplay and having somebody ready to fight
Speaker 2: this fight. Right, So when you think about Rosa Parks,
Speaker 2: for example, we were brought up to think, oh, she
Speaker 2: just was tired that day whole time. That was plotted
Speaker 2: in the background because we knew what was coming. We
Speaker 2: were two steps ahead. I think we're two steps ahead now.
Speaker 2: It's just unfortunately it ain't our demographic per se, right
Speaker 2: in terms of the language that they used in this
Speaker 2: particular court case. Although we know that this applies to
Speaker 2: broader right, the broader of us as a whole. So
Speaker 2: that's my first thing. Second thing is I'm with you,
Speaker 2: go get right right and pooky about the pan real quick.
Speaker 2: Unless utilize this and do what we need to do
Speaker 2: to fight this right here, right now, before they start
Speaker 2: trying to find other things that beat us to the punch.
Speaker 2: What happened to is he did Kavanaugh tried to beat
Speaker 2: us to the punch and said, well, no, you don't
Speaker 2: have stand up because of this. Not thinking that we
Speaker 2: have the intellectual ability to think outside the box and
Speaker 2: go around your language. That's where you are losing. And
Speaker 2: that's why y'all don't want us to be educated. But
Speaker 2: it's too late, right you have three attorneys on the
Speaker 2: panel right now. We know how to think outside of
Speaker 2: your language. We were taught your language too, and now
Speaker 2: you're not using it properly to be able to stop
Speaker 2: us in this case, I too could be a plaintiff.
Speaker 2: Guess what, sometimes my English and all the way great
Speaker 2: off of comptent, I grew up around Latinos. Sometimes I
Speaker 2: got a little Latino accent. Imagine me get stopped. You
Speaker 2: get what I'm saying. So any of us at any
Speaker 2: point could be that. And we do need to start
Speaker 2: riding and getting ready to set up for that case,
Speaker 2: because as soon as they get to Chicago, said matter
Speaker 2: of fact, they already just landed in Chicago. Right then,
Speaker 2: the article just come out that they just landed in Chicago.
Speaker 2: We got about less than twenty four hours before we
Speaker 2: actually have a case that we need to start defending.
Speaker 2: We got standing now, yeah, and we need to stand
Speaker 2: in the gap. Speaking of standing, I will say, you
Speaker 2: know to this point, Abe, you take me back to
Speaker 2: what Malcolm X said, Plymouth rock landed on us, and
Speaker 2: since it did, we got to get this rock up
Speaker 2: off us.
Speaker 1: Nana. So let me ask you this. You have been
Speaker 1: also engaged in how to prepare Chicago for what's coming.
Speaker 1: So for those folks in Chicago who are watching or
Speaker 1: listening to this show, how are you telling them to prepare?
Speaker 1: How do they meet the moment? Given all that to ahead,
Speaker 1: So the first thing is to not be isolated. The
Speaker 1: first thing when you're afraid is you feel like, Okay,
Speaker 1: let me get into my little box or stay in
Speaker 1: my house, or stay under the bed. No, there are
Speaker 1: organizations that are doing such good work and working together.
Speaker 1: Like I am so proud of Chicago and I ain't
Speaker 1: even from Chicago, you know, I got relatives there, and
Speaker 1: I'm trying to buy into that, buy into the Chicago world.
Speaker 1: They have iSER, which is the Illinois Coalition for Immigrant
Speaker 1: and Refugee Rights, working with groups like the Black Worker
Speaker 1: Center out there. They have churches that are out there.
Speaker 1: I know that our good folks, but that's the Jamal
Speaker 1: Bryant and Natasha Brown were out there right. So if
Speaker 1: they have national people, they have local people. Jump into that.
Speaker 1: Number two. If you go to Baji's website, if you
Speaker 1: follow us at Instabaji, you can get information about knowing
Speaker 1: your rights in various languages. Because again we know that
Speaker 1: there are black people, lots of black people. One out
Speaker 1: of every five black people in this country is either
Speaker 1: an immigrant or a child of immigrants. And so you
Speaker 1: can't have twenty percent of your population vulnerable and it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean something. Let alone mixed families, right, people that
Speaker 1: are married to people, et cetera. And so we have information,
Speaker 1: we have emergency preparedness information. All three of us right
Speaker 1: here should have a plan. If you reach out to
Speaker 1: me and you can't find me, I should have a
Speaker 1: plan for what happens next because I need Angela and
Speaker 1: Ab to get into gear. I need you to call Judith,
Speaker 1: and I need you to make sure that I'm covered right,
Speaker 1: and people should be doing that in Chicago right now.
Speaker 1: We are making sure that we're together, get in where
Speaker 1: you fit in, because there's so much to be done
Speaker 1: and they're so and I know that people are interested
Speaker 1: in making sure to do it because we're going to
Speaker 1: defend our communities. We're going to turn them back in Chicago,
Speaker 1: just like we did at the beginning of this administration
Speaker 1: when they went limping. The regime had to limp away
Speaker 1: sadly with their tail between their legs because folks did
Speaker 1: not let them come grab people up in Chicago like
Speaker 1: they thought they would. I'm telling you. So here's the thing.
Speaker 1: First of all, I love this podcast. Let me find
Speaker 1: out that this is the best Coast podcast. But my
Speaker 1: favorite moments are getting where you fit in and who
Speaker 1: and we're gonna be who righting on ice. So I
Speaker 1: love this because I feel right at home. This is
Speaker 1: all my slang. I just you know, for everybody who's
Speaker 1: home today, just know this is the best Coast podcast.
Speaker 1: Let me just you know, go to doves up real quick. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm back on it. So I think that what I
Speaker 1: wanted back into now is we know and we say
Speaker 1: it all the time till we're buling the face. I'm
Speaker 1: tired of it. Elections have consequences. One of the chief
Speaker 1: consequences we've seen is what has happened with the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1: When we look at the constitutional crisis, we're in the
Speaker 1: fact that democracy and all of its things are at
Speaker 1: stake where we need to know for black people at home,
Speaker 1: as that means we're on the front line, whether we
Speaker 1: ask to be there or not. And so on this
Speaker 1: when we think about the strides that we made in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty around white people finally be like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: What books should I read? Write?
Speaker 1: And can my organization write you a check? Yes, we'll
Speaker 1: take the guilt. Money, will take the guilt reads. However,
Speaker 1: the guilt didn't last very long. Trouble don't last our
Speaker 1: ways unless you're black. So it did come back on that.
Speaker 1: It is existing again in the Supreme Court. We know
Speaker 1: they've been trying to tear up affirmative action policy for
Speaker 1: mini medi a year. They did it successfully last summer,
Speaker 1: and now here we are with them saying, oh, actually
Speaker 1: it's not colorblind. You can use race if you're targeting
Speaker 1: someone to deport, right, So can we just for a moment,
Speaker 1: not basking it because we are not at all excited
Speaker 1: about it. But can we for a moment talk about
Speaker 1: the hypocrisy and seeing race where it hurts but not
Speaker 1: seeing race where it helps.
Speaker 2: Well, they always see race when it hurts them, right,
Speaker 2: So when you think about education and getting in school
Speaker 2: and getting opportunities and jobs, right, it hurts them racially,
Speaker 2: So then they see race, right, the white person right
Speaker 2: when they talk about their birth rates are going down
Speaker 2: and things like that. When race hurts them, they are
Speaker 2: no longer color blind. But when it hurts others and
Speaker 2: it's harm for the others, all of a sudden, it's
Speaker 2: just no, it's just bad circumstances for people, and that's
Speaker 2: that's not right. Like, and I think that's why I'm
Speaker 2: so particular about talking about language, because I'm like, it's
Speaker 2: all in language and not so much in their intent,
Speaker 2: because their intent is to harm us. But they'll speak
Speaker 2: to us like, no, that's not what we just want
Speaker 2: to make it fair for everybody, okay, and this is
Speaker 2: how we balance out fairness, right, this is how you
Speaker 2: have equality, and you're refusing to do that. So quite frankly,
Speaker 2: they full of it, and like you said, elections have consequences,
Speaker 2: but they also have rewards. And I think that we
Speaker 2: as black people should be rewarded with the opportunity now
Speaker 2: to fight back and educate our communities and take our
Speaker 2: power back, because we got lacks of days to go
Speaker 2: for a little bit, right, and we thought everything was
Speaker 2: cool when we was kumbaya and it looked like things
Speaker 2: are progressing. But that's not when you stop the fight.
Speaker 2: It's when you're starting to get that progress and things
Speaker 2: are starting to move forward that you got to kick
Speaker 2: up even more and you got to kick and hide
Speaker 2: gear even more to get ahead.
Speaker 1: Of the game.
Speaker 2: And that's what we just didn't do. Right, Nobody to blame,
Speaker 2: that's just what we didn't do. So now let's take
Speaker 2: the reward of we have the ability to take collective action.
Speaker 2: We've already seen this playbook before. We got the playbook
Speaker 2: in nine hundred pages, right, we can split it up
Speaker 2: and figure out how to combat that, and we should
Speaker 2: take our communities back and take power in our communities.
Speaker 2: You don't want to educate us properly, It's okay. We'll
Speaker 2: educate them ourselves. And now we'll actually indoctrinate them as
Speaker 2: y'all like to say with the real and the real
Speaker 2: is these people are racist and it's all about race
Speaker 2: when it comes to them. Everything our laws are written
Speaker 2: with race in the center. So there's no way that
Speaker 2: we will ever be a color find nation. I'll leave
Speaker 2: it about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would add to that. There's something that
Speaker 1: I remember Miss Sherlyn Eiffel saying that struck me. Not
Speaker 1: that it's the only thing, but that struck me when
Speaker 1: they struck down affirmative action education, and she said, you
Speaker 1: know what, that was our compromise, and we need to
Speaker 1: go for what we actually want right. And I think
Speaker 1: that is another opportunity that we're getting here, is that
Speaker 1: one of the consequences of these elections has also been
Speaker 1: that we've had to understand and remember what our power
Speaker 1: is and what we actually want right and so do
Speaker 1: we want DEI Actually that is a compromise that was
Speaker 1: to keep them and their mediocre cells. I almost cussed.
Speaker 1: Feel like they were giving us a space to be
Speaker 1: it we should be in all this space. Actually, we
Speaker 1: just want to be able to do what we need
Speaker 1: to do at our highest, fullest potential. And if that
Speaker 1: means that you all are not these other folks are
Speaker 1: not able to keep up there. You know, Kavanaugh, I
Speaker 1: drink beer, is not able to be on the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1: So be it, because you don't need to be there actually, right,
Speaker 1: And I think that on all of these fronts, in
Speaker 1: the front of immigration, I shouldn't have to be a
Speaker 1: citizen to live in this country. White people go they
Speaker 1: live in Ghana and they just live there and they
Speaker 1: have to become a citizen and they enjoy their lives
Speaker 1: because they get to have The Earth is their turf, happen.
Speaker 1: The earth be your turf. We were here first on
Speaker 1: this planet. The earth is our turf. And so what
Speaker 1: we want is a world in which you can live
Speaker 1: wherever you need to live in order for you to thrive.
Speaker 1: You only get one life, and you should be able
Speaker 1: to thrive right with your communities and with your families.
Speaker 1: And so that's what I would say. Yes, they say
Speaker 1: that there's no race here, they always are thinking of race,
Speaker 1: even when they say we're trying to be colorblind. As
Speaker 1: ab just pointed out, that's always a lie. But I
Speaker 1: think as we're pushing for what that means, we need
Speaker 1: to push for what we actually want unapologetically unabashedly. We
Speaker 1: want it all, brand new, socks, draws, pomp poms, everything,
Speaker 1: we want it blank blank too. That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever heard socks, draws, and pom
Speaker 1: poms together, but I'm here for it. Okay again, y'all,
Speaker 1: this is the best Coast podcast. It ain't even Happy
Speaker 1: Hour right now, but it is somewhere. We ain't drinking
Speaker 1: on the clock. We were born like this. Okay, we
Speaker 1: come at it truth. We're that right there though.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if y'all have any parting words
Speaker 1: for our folks. I'm gonna urge our people. We always
Speaker 1: have a call to action at the end of our shows.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna urge y'all to go back and read this decision.
Speaker 1: I know that when you hear about a Supreme Court ruling,
Speaker 1: there's something about that that may feel intimidating. I want
Speaker 1: you to go back and read it, and I don't
Speaker 1: want to start you off in anger. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: start you off with Sonya son on Myor's Descent. Read
Speaker 1: Brett Kavanaugh's concurring decision. Know that the rest of them
Speaker 1: hosts just said, nah, we don't like it, just go
Speaker 1: forth and do what you do. Ice. So there's nothing
Speaker 1: really there, but that concurring decision is important. And what
Speaker 1: Sonya Soda Mayors said is it also important because if
Speaker 1: they don't start to pivot in the way that Justice
Speaker 1: Soda Mayora and Justice Brown Jackson have suggested, we are
Speaker 1: in more of a constitutional crisis and much closer to
Speaker 1: authoritarianism than they would let on. So I would urge
Speaker 1: you to do that. Ladies, I want to hear from you.
Speaker 1: What do you want people to do at home? Go ahead, Aby.
Speaker 2: Now. Honestly, my big push right now is vote on
Speaker 2: November fourth in California Tribe District. Let's start there. But
Speaker 2: aside from that, like, don't get discouraged by these things, right,
Speaker 2: I think we did get this ruling and it does
Speaker 2: seem bad. Un Let's remember that this is not a
Speaker 2: rulin on the merits right, which means it's not like
Speaker 2: the meat and potatoes and the actual case. It is
Speaker 2: just some bull crap ultimately, and it can be fearful.
Speaker 1: But don't move.
Speaker 2: We shouldn't be moving with our hands down like, oh
Speaker 2: we lost again, because I feel like the Trump administration
Speaker 2: has lost more times in court than they want, right,
Speaker 2: And the more pro octave and the more allowed, and
Speaker 2: the more together we are, our truly do feel like
Speaker 2: the more change we're able to make. It may be
Speaker 2: small baby steps, but as long as we're taking those
Speaker 2: atomic steps, we gonna get somewhere eventually, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So we have to keep pushing back and
Speaker 2: just not get discouraged by this.
Speaker 1: I know it's a lot.
Speaker 2: I know it's overwhelming, and I know a lot of
Speaker 2: us don't even understand what's going on for us, so
Speaker 2: it's easy for us to check out. But do your
Speaker 2: best to just stay educated, stay in the know, right,
Speaker 2: follow stuff like this the Native Land podcast where we're
Speaker 2: speaking in y'all language and we're talking to you, right, like,
Speaker 2: keep yourself involved and just don't get buggled down by
Speaker 2: the bullcrap. Because we won before we could do it again. Absolutely,
Speaker 2: And I'll remind us that we are alchemists, so we
Speaker 2: actually never lose. We're like Naja, we never lose, Okay,
Speaker 2: we take the things. Even when it's something like this.
Speaker 2: It's a reminder to us maybe some folks were think that,
Speaker 2: oh we're safe. Maybe some folks are thinking Oh, it's
Speaker 2: just gonna be damn. Now they remind us, oh, no,
Speaker 2: this is how we actually think. This is how we're
Speaker 2: actually moving. It wasn't just about the price of eggs.
Speaker 2: It was about much more than that.
Speaker 1: So that we can be more intentional about how we're
Speaker 1: doing things together, right, got to ask folks to follow
Speaker 1: at instabagie to get more information because there's so much
Speaker 1: that we need to keep up with, and we try
Speaker 1: to do so in a way that connects us as
Speaker 1: a diaspora and black folks that are African American, black
Speaker 1: folks that are black immigrant because what this is is
Speaker 1: a white supremacist fascism that is targeting black people specifically.
Speaker 1: But they can't deal with our technology, which is us.
Speaker 1: That's why we always win. We're talking about a people
Speaker 1: that don't know the difference. They can't understand how bad
Speaker 1: could be good, you know what I mean. They can't
Speaker 1: understand how cool could be hot. They don't even have
Speaker 1: the fought process to keep up with our language, let
Speaker 1: alone to keep up with our moves, right, And so
Speaker 1: we've got to know that and know that victory is
Speaker 1: certain as long as we're moving together. Well, hey, b
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Speaker 1: I am legally hype on social. Make sure that y'all
Speaker 1: follow her. She breaks it down, I'm telling you, and
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Speaker 1: guys are the best, and I'm so grateful that Smith
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Speaker 1: half hour with some brilliant legal minds. We will be
Speaker 1: back because y'all, you know it's gonna be somewhere nonsense,
Speaker 1: So just get ready. We're gonna be the special legal panel,
Speaker 1: break it all down, break it all down, all right,
Speaker 1: love exactly, all right, y'all, thank you so much. Shout
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