1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Native lamdpod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Reason Choice Media. 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome home, as we say on Native LAMPOD. 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: I am your host, Angela Rai. It is Solo Pod 6 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: Day and I am thrilled to be joined today by 7 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: some extraordinary legal scholars to break down some very very 8 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: pressing news in this country right now. Many of y'all 9 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: have probably heard by now that the Supreme Court undermined 10 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: a black appointed judge who is a black woman in 11 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: California appointed by Joe Biden, who issued a stay in 12 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: a decision around ice invasion. Let's call it what it is. 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: Ice is invasion in Los Angeles. We know that Donald 14 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:55,319 Speaker 1: Trump has been targeting blue states and blue cities, and 15 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: in particular cities that are run by black people. So 16 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: of course the black mayor in Los Angeles is Karen Vass. 17 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: They saw it as a victory and put Ice at bay. 18 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: They put Ice on ice for just a little while. 19 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: But yesterday the Supreme Court, under the guidance of Brett Kavanaugh, 20 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: decided that the role of the court should not be 21 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: in law enforcement right and So today we are going 22 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: to be talking to some incredible people who I trust 23 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: in this space and in so many others, about what 24 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: ICE the new authority that ICE has because of the 25 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: Supreme Court continuing to cave to Donald Trump, we do 26 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: have some dissenters. Leading the descent in yesterday's decision was 27 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: Supreme Court Justice Sonya Sotomayor, and of course concurring was 28 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: Elena Kagan and our very own Katanji Brown Jackson. So 29 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: I do want to get into this. This case is 30 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: a Gnome versus Pedro Vasquez Perdomo, and I want us 31 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: to talk about what this means, not just for LA, 32 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: not just for DC, not just for Chicago where we're 33 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: starting to see some interference. And joining me today is 34 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: not a Jumfie, who, as you all will recall, is 35 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: the executive director of Black Alliance for Just Immigration and 36 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: also my favorite upcoming lawyer, A B. Tucker, who you 37 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: all will know from all things social media. She kills 38 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: it with great regularity, as she does it in common 39 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: sense terms. So you're gonna be like, y'all will be like, 40 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: what's a stay, what's a concurring opinion? What's a dissent? 41 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: What are all of these things? What do they mean? 42 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 2: And what does it have to do with me? 43 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: AB can break it down to the lowest common denominator 44 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: or like we say, break it down like fresh. So, ladies, 45 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: welcome and thank you so much for being here. Native 46 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: Lampard is always a home to you. What is going 47 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: on in these streets? And this got you? 48 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 2: What is happening? What is the Supreme Court do it? 49 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: Now? I want to start with you because you you 50 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: organizing us and getting us together and still show up 51 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: glowing with the anointing on you. So there must still 52 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: be hope somewhere. Thank you. Yes, there's hope somewhere. There's 53 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: hope with us. That's where the hope is the people. 54 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: So what is going on is that this regime and 55 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: its supporters in the Supreme Court are getting on all fours. 56 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: They have just decided that they're just going to be 57 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: who they are. They're going to revive the techniques of 58 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,119 Speaker 1: the crash units at LAPD, the jump out boys of NYPD, 59 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: we can go, you know, the torture the cops in Chicago, 60 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: and they're going to say that all of that is 61 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: okay because it's all right to racially profile people. It's 62 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: all right to profile people based upon the jobs that 63 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: they work at. It's all right to profile people based 64 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: upon whether or not they have an accent. And you know, 65 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: but also we're going to pretend that that's not racially 66 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: profiling people, right, And we understand this specifically as black people, 67 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: immigrant or citizen, because when we think about how our 68 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: children ended up on gang databases, hello, when we think 69 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: about the racial profile that had us being stopped left 70 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: and right, stopped and frisked, stopped in our cars. The 71 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: whole Black Lives Matter movement and movement for black lives 72 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: is about how people are Black people being racially profiled 73 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: and then ended up dead or injured. And this Supreme 74 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 1: Court has said, yes, that is fine, and it's also 75 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: don't worry Angela because you just have to carry a 76 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: pass or a passport around And so when they stop 77 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: you because they think that you're from the Caribbean, that 78 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: don't worry. You just got to pull out your passport. 79 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: When we know that we don't want our people to 80 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: be under that pass condition and we can't. We got 81 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: black folks that can't get a real ID. So who 82 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: are we really talking about here? And I think that 83 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: is just it. So I want to get into this 84 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: Supreme Court case in all of its meanings, particularly around profiling. 85 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: But I need y'all to put a pin in this 86 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: because so I don't forget. But I also want to 87 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: make sure we're clear about is that the Supreme Court 88 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: ain't trying to use race in no other space where 89 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: it's beneficial, but they do want to use it where 90 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: it could be harmful, right like they are. They're willing 91 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: to call out how many millions of people are here 92 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: in the United States illegally or in an undocumented way 93 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: at the very beginning of what they lay out as 94 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: facts in this decision, But they do not want to 95 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: talk about the benefits of using race and college admissions 96 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,679 Speaker 1: and using it in contracting and using it in hiring. 97 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: They don't want to talk about it anywhere else. So 98 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: I think that is anyway we need to get to 99 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: that too, because I think it is that there's a 100 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: way to tell people you don't belong without saying you 101 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: don't belong. So I definitely want to talk about that. 102 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: But Abe, let me come to you when you reflect 103 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: on what you understand to be the case for me 104 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: yesterday when you're breaking down sis. How do you how 105 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: do you tell the laymen how this applies to them, 106 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: especially the those who are like, well, I'm cool with 107 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: ice on these streets because they don't apply to me. 108 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: So how do you break this down to them? Okay, 109 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: if you. 110 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: Don't look white, then you should not be cool with 111 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: ice because they may not be cool with you. Right 112 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, the decision specifically said, 113 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: there's what ten percent of the population in Los Angeles 114 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: is allegedly illegal immigrants from Mexico and Central America. What 115 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 2: they said was is use your common sense. If I 116 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 2: look at you and you look Latino. If I look 117 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 2: at you and you're at home depot, right, and you Latino. 118 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 2: I look at you at home depot and Latino, and 119 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: you got paint on your shoes. I look at you. 120 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: Your look Latino, you're at home depot, you got paint 121 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 2: on your shoes, and your English is a little bit shiky. 122 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 2: Come on to get in the back of this paddywagon 123 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 2: real quick. Let me holler at you, right Like, that's 124 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 2: essentially what they're saying, and it has everything to do 125 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 2: with you, because even if it's not you today, it's 126 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 2: going to be you tomorrow. Right. It was us as 127 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: black people, as was mentioned, right when you think about 128 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 2: stopping for terry stops came from an officer stopping a 129 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 2: black man because a legend he looked, he looked suspicious, right, 130 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 2: And then they came up with this whole idea of 131 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 2: it's not really race, it's just you kind of look 132 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 2: a little funny because of where you're at. Right, So 133 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: it went from us as black people, and they was like, okay, 134 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 2: as cool as black people, and now it's a whole 135 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 2: nother population of people. But let's also talk about the 136 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 2: white people from Europe that are here who've overstayed their visa, right, 137 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 2: which you as well should be illegal. So do I 138 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: get to look at a white person in their face? Right? 139 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: As Elizabeth if she on the road right now, she said, 140 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go to the sea bass stops and look 141 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 2: at white people and stake out if you're a school shooter, right, Like, 142 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 2: is that what we're going? Is that what everybody's gonna 143 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: do at this point, because that's what it comes down to. 144 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 2: I look at you and I say, you don't look 145 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: like you belong here, and they're saying they don't think 146 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 2: we belong here. You just had a US senator from 147 00:07:54,720 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 2: Missouri who literally said this not y'all stuff. This was 148 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: for us. Our ancestors left it for us, and if 149 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 2: we have it for everybody, well then it ain't for. 150 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: Us no more. 151 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 2: So they're staying at out louds. So you could be 152 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: cool with ice until you're in the back of the 153 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: patty wagon. And I think, can I just add to that, yes, no, 154 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 2: go ahead, absolutely, because when we think about LA, for 155 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: any of you who have been in LA, there are 156 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 2: black immigrants here. You may not know they're black immigrants 157 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 2: until you know they get killed, and then it's like 158 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 2: nipsey hustle, What are these eritreans doing here? Right then 159 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: you find the information. But that's not going to be 160 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 2: the case in Chicago. That's not going to be the 161 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 2: case in New York. That's not going to be the 162 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 2: case in Baltimore. All of us are living together, and 163 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: all three of us right here could be black immigrants, 164 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 2: and that's at least what they're going to say. And 165 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 2: they have all the federal agencies working together. And if 166 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:50,079 Speaker 2: you look at Kavanaugh's opinion, he talks about people reasonable 167 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 2: suspicion for violating immigration law or federal law. We already 168 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,599 Speaker 2: see that playing out in New York, right, and the 169 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 2: mean in DC wherever they're using everybody to profile black people, 170 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: especially black youth. And that's what's going to come to 171 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: Chicago and to black folks wherever you are across this 172 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 2: country if this is allowed to stand. 173 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: So on this, let's get to kavanav for just a moment, 174 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: because Judge from pong I Hope I'm pronouncing her last name, right, 175 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 1: who made this initial ruling from the Central District of California, 176 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: again a Biden appointee, said that reasonable suspicion cannot rest 177 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: solely on any combination of four factors apparent race or ethnicity, 178 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: speaking in Spanish or accented English, being present at a 179 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: location where undocumented immigrants are quote known together, and working 180 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: at specific jobs such as landscaping or construction. So she 181 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: basically outlawed with her ruling racial profiling, right or immigrant 182 00:09:55,679 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: immigrant profiling, maybe not immigrant profile, racial profile. And let's 183 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: call it what it is because some of these people 184 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: that speak with these things, that are in these places 185 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: are not undocumented people. So what Judge Kavanaugh does is say, 186 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: hold up right to her ruling and say we're gonna 187 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 1: let this whole appeal play out. And while this appeal, 188 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 1: Trump's appeal is playing out, y'all can go on about 189 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: your business and keep doing what you're doing, which is 190 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: terrorizing community. Now, given the fact that you're in LA 191 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: right now, can you talk about some of what you've 192 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: seen as an outgrowth of some of this terror and 193 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: what you're preparing for as folks shift their attention to Chicago. 194 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: So just this morning I got noticed from some people 195 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: doing court watching Criminal Courts Building downtown La. You know 196 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:49,839 Speaker 1: that building, several people picked up just as they're walking 197 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: out of the building, they angela are already Just this 198 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: morning court started at eight thirty am, you know Pacific 199 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: eleven thirty Eastern Dome. They already picked depth, she said, 200 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: tens of people as they came out, not asking them questions, 201 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: not having warrants, just running grabbing folks that, as far 202 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: as they were concerned, fit the description right and taking them. 203 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: What this means and what people have seen and are 204 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 1: continuing to see, is it means that people are being 205 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: ripped out of, you know, their children's arms. People are 206 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: being chased like enslaved Africans trying to be free in 207 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: home depot down, the aisles of home depot down. You know, 208 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: people are being chased in these agricultural farms. People are 209 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: being having folks just show up wherever they think that 210 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: folks could be. So the swap meets those taco trucks, 211 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: like all the things actually that make LA kind of live. 212 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: People are being grabbed up African vendors, you know, those 213 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: vendors that are you know, selling their Louis Patan and 214 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: all of that. They are grabbing those folks, and some 215 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: of those folks that's the only way that our whole 216 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: crew is able to survive. So what we're seeing is tears. 217 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: We're also seeing defiance though, right, and we're seeing a 218 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: lot of people helping out people. You're minding people what 219 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: their rights are in that moment, trying to comfort people, 220 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: getting their information, community defense. But what Kavanaugh has done 221 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: because also to remember, when they do this type of 222 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: shadow docket thing, they don't have to say anything. They 223 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: could just say no. Kavanaugh purposefully did a concurrence so 224 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 1: that he could lay out the way in which racial 225 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 1: profiling should happen. And I don't think that it's a 226 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: coincidence that this happened right before they claim they're going 227 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 1: into Chicago and Baltimore. I do not angelatte A B. 228 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: I think this is to let them know you can 229 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: go after those Negroes the same way we've done god 230 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: after these immigrants over here. Let me ask y'all this 231 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: because this is an area that I've been honing in 232 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,599 Speaker 1: on watching some of the decisions come out of this 233 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. And it's a question y'all might not like 234 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: me for, but we sister, so we're gonna talk through it. 235 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: The question is on standing now. He did bring up 236 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: standing in this concurrence, and he said that the challengers 237 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: likely lack a legal right to suit known as standing, 238 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: because although they may have been stopped in the past, 239 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: they have no good basis to believe that law enforcement 240 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: will unlawfully stop them in future in the future based 241 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: on the prohibited factors. Now, y'all, the reason why I'm 242 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: bringing this up is because I do think that historically 243 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: we have been able to say we're gonna come at 244 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: this proactively and given that this type of person wouldn't 245 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: fit the mold, even based on what they've laid out 246 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: as reasons for racial profiling like they would fit the 247 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: mold because there's not an existing harm. This court ain't 248 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: full of with it. I'm watching them time after they 249 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: did it to AFG, so I'm like, why are we 250 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: not responding with somebody with actual standing? Now you could 251 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: say no, no, I can hear you all right. You 252 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: could say, well, Gerde would, but Rodney's behind bars right now, 253 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: get him. We need Rodney. We need Rodney. You know 254 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Why are we not learning this lesson? 255 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: Y'all might be mad at me. I'm telling the family business, 256 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: but I want us to get better, So y'all help me. 257 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: Why are we learning this lesson around standing? Who do 258 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: you want to say? Hey, you ready to catch me out? 259 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: Whoever feels I would say two things. I think I 260 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: would say. Part of it is that this is why 261 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: we have to have multiple lawsuits on things, because sometimes 262 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: there's a wax on and a wax off, right, I 263 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: think number one. I think number two, And I think 264 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 1: it's important because and this is why you gotta center 265 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: black people. If you notice there are no black orgs 266 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: in this thing, that's another conversation, Okay. In terms of 267 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: plaintifs filing et cetera. But we would bring in maybe 268 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: a different kind of understanding of the racial profiling piece 269 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: to be able to argue that a little bit better. 270 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: I will say that if I was in front of 271 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court now, one of the points I would 272 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: make is that your decision, Justice Kavanaugh, actually means that 273 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: all of us are in perpetual standing because you have 274 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: decided that these people can pick us up at any time. 275 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: So unless I'm in detention and deportation right now, I 276 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: have standing because you have put me as having standing. 277 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: Thank you so very much. Let us continue to the 278 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: next thing. That's good now, Nana. That's now, here's the 279 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: thing that is the case now that was not the 280 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: case when he issued the opinion. And that's what I'm saying, Like, 281 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 1: I think that is brilliant, and you should say that everywhere, 282 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: not just here on this podcast. Please go forth and 283 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: say it everywhere. And also we're going to do the 284 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: same thing. We might attribute it to you. We may not, 285 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: but because you know, the Supreme Court might allow us 286 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: to plagiarize. At this point, we don't know or we're going, 287 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: but this is a great point, Like now, your decision 288 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: makes it so that we all have standing. So now 289 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: it's going to be about a million of us as 290 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: plain on this next round, right, Like that's exact exactly, Yes, 291 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: then that's what we should do. I want to hear, 292 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: hayp what you got to fight me on it? 293 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 2: Lit's hear. I just feel like we've been here before, 294 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 2: which is why we know better, right, We've had to 295 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 2: have these type of cases before, which is why I 296 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 2: thought it was ironic to bring up the fact that 297 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 2: there are no black organizations on here. We used to 298 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 2: setting up a gameplay and having somebody ready to fight 299 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 2: this fight. Right, So when you think about Rosa Parks, 300 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 2: for example, we were brought up to think, oh, she 301 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: just was tired that day whole time. That was plotted 302 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 2: in the background because we knew what was coming. We 303 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: were two steps ahead. I think we're two steps ahead now. 304 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: It's just unfortunately it ain't our demographic per se, right 305 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: in terms of the language that they used in this 306 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 2: particular court case. Although we know that this applies to 307 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: broader right, the broader of us as a whole. So 308 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 2: that's my first thing. Second thing is I'm with you, 309 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: go get right right and pooky about the pan real quick. 310 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 2: Unless utilize this and do what we need to do 311 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 2: to fight this right here, right now, before they start 312 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 2: trying to find other things that beat us to the punch. 313 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 2: What happened to is he did Kavanaugh tried to beat 314 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 2: us to the punch and said, well, no, you don't 315 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 2: have stand up because of this. Not thinking that we 316 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 2: have the intellectual ability to think outside the box and 317 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,639 Speaker 2: go around your language. That's where you are losing. And 318 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 2: that's why y'all don't want us to be educated. But 319 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 2: it's too late, right you have three attorneys on the 320 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 2: panel right now. We know how to think outside of 321 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 2: your language. We were taught your language too, and now 322 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 2: you're not using it properly to be able to stop 323 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 2: us in this case, I too could be a plaintiff. 324 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 2: Guess what, sometimes my English and all the way great 325 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 2: off of comptent, I grew up around Latinos. Sometimes I 326 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 2: got a little Latino accent. Imagine me get stopped. You 327 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 2: get what I'm saying. So any of us at any 328 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 2: point could be that. And we do need to start 329 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 2: riding and getting ready to set up for that case, 330 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 2: because as soon as they get to Chicago, said matter 331 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 2: of fact, they already just landed in Chicago. Right then, 332 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 2: the article just come out that they just landed in Chicago. 333 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 2: We got about less than twenty four hours before we 334 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 2: actually have a case that we need to start defending. 335 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 2: We got standing now, yeah, and we need to stand 336 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 2: in the gap. Speaking of standing, I will say, you 337 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 2: know to this point, Abe, you take me back to 338 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 2: what Malcolm X said, Plymouth rock landed on us, and 339 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 2: since it did, we got to get this rock up 340 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 2: off us. 341 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: Nana. So let me ask you this. You have been 342 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: also engaged in how to prepare Chicago for what's coming. 343 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: So for those folks in Chicago who are watching or 344 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: listening to this show, how are you telling them to prepare? 345 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: How do they meet the moment? Given all that to ahead, 346 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,439 Speaker 1: So the first thing is to not be isolated. The 347 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: first thing when you're afraid is you feel like, Okay, 348 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: let me get into my little box or stay in 349 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: my house, or stay under the bed. No, there are 350 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: organizations that are doing such good work and working together. 351 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: Like I am so proud of Chicago and I ain't 352 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: even from Chicago, you know, I got relatives there, and 353 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: I'm trying to buy into that, buy into the Chicago world. 354 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: They have iSER, which is the Illinois Coalition for Immigrant 355 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: and Refugee Rights, working with groups like the Black Worker 356 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: Center out there. They have churches that are out there. 357 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,479 Speaker 1: I know that our good folks, but that's the Jamal 358 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: Bryant and Natasha Brown were out there right. So if 359 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: they have national people, they have local people. Jump into that. 360 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: Number two. If you go to Baji's website, if you 361 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: follow us at Instabaji, you can get information about knowing 362 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: your rights in various languages. Because again we know that 363 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,360 Speaker 1: there are black people, lots of black people. One out 364 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: of every five black people in this country is either 365 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: an immigrant or a child of immigrants. And so you 366 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: can't have twenty percent of your population vulnerable and it 367 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: doesn't mean something. Let alone mixed families, right, people that 368 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: are married to people, et cetera. And so we have information, 369 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: we have emergency preparedness information. All three of us right 370 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,479 Speaker 1: here should have a plan. If you reach out to 371 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: me and you can't find me, I should have a 372 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: plan for what happens next because I need Angela and 373 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: Ab to get into gear. I need you to call Judith, 374 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: and I need you to make sure that I'm covered right, 375 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: and people should be doing that in Chicago right now. 376 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: We are making sure that we're together, get in where 377 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: you fit in, because there's so much to be done 378 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: and they're so and I know that people are interested 379 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: in making sure to do it because we're going to 380 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: defend our communities. We're going to turn them back in Chicago, 381 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: just like we did at the beginning of this administration 382 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: when they went limping. The regime had to limp away 383 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: sadly with their tail between their legs because folks did 384 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: not let them come grab people up in Chicago like 385 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: they thought they would. I'm telling you. So here's the thing. 386 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: First of all, I love this podcast. Let me find 387 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 1: out that this is the best Coast podcast. But my 388 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: favorite moments are getting where you fit in and who 389 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: and we're gonna be who righting on ice. So I 390 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: love this because I feel right at home. This is 391 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: all my slang. I just you know, for everybody who's 392 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: home today, just know this is the best Coast podcast. 393 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: Let me just you know, go to doves up real quick. Okay, 394 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: I'm back on it. So I think that what I 395 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: wanted back into now is we know and we say 396 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: it all the time till we're buling the face. I'm 397 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: tired of it. Elections have consequences. One of the chief 398 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: consequences we've seen is what has happened with the Supreme Court. 399 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: When we look at the constitutional crisis, we're in the 400 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: fact that democracy and all of its things are at 401 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: stake where we need to know for black people at home, 402 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,719 Speaker 1: as that means we're on the front line, whether we 403 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: ask to be there or not. And so on this 404 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: when we think about the strides that we made in 405 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty around white people finally be like, oh my god, 406 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. 407 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 2: What books should I read? Write? 408 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: And can my organization write you a check? Yes, we'll 409 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: take the guilt. Money, will take the guilt reads. However, 410 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: the guilt didn't last very long. Trouble don't last our 411 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: ways unless you're black. So it did come back on that. 412 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: It is existing again in the Supreme Court. We know 413 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: they've been trying to tear up affirmative action policy for 414 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:13,479 Speaker 1: mini medi a year. They did it successfully last summer, 415 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: and now here we are with them saying, oh, actually 416 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: it's not colorblind. You can use race if you're targeting 417 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: someone to deport, right, So can we just for a moment, 418 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: not basking it because we are not at all excited 419 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: about it. But can we for a moment talk about 420 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: the hypocrisy and seeing race where it hurts but not 421 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 1: seeing race where it helps. 422 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 2: Well, they always see race when it hurts them, right, 423 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 2: So when you think about education and getting in school 424 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 2: and getting opportunities and jobs, right, it hurts them racially, 425 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 2: So then they see race, right, the white person right 426 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 2: when they talk about their birth rates are going down 427 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 2: and things like that. When race hurts them, they are 428 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 2: no longer color blind. But when it hurts others and 429 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: it's harm for the others, all of a sudden, it's 430 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: just no, it's just bad circumstances for people, and that's 431 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 2: that's not right. Like, and I think that's why I'm 432 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 2: so particular about talking about language, because I'm like, it's 433 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 2: all in language and not so much in their intent, 434 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 2: because their intent is to harm us. But they'll speak 435 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 2: to us like, no, that's not what we just want 436 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 2: to make it fair for everybody, okay, and this is 437 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 2: how we balance out fairness, right, this is how you 438 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 2: have equality, and you're refusing to do that. So quite frankly, 439 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 2: they full of it, and like you said, elections have consequences, 440 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 2: but they also have rewards. And I think that we 441 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 2: as black people should be rewarded with the opportunity now 442 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 2: to fight back and educate our communities and take our 443 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 2: power back, because we got lacks of days to go 444 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 2: for a little bit, right, and we thought everything was 445 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 2: cool when we was kumbaya and it looked like things 446 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 2: are progressing. But that's not when you stop the fight. 447 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 2: It's when you're starting to get that progress and things 448 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 2: are starting to move forward that you got to kick 449 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 2: up even more and you got to kick and hide 450 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: gear even more to get ahead. 451 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: Of the game. 452 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: And that's what we just didn't do. Right, Nobody to blame, 453 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 2: that's just what we didn't do. So now let's take 454 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 2: the reward of we have the ability to take collective action. 455 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 2: We've already seen this playbook before. We got the playbook 456 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 2: in nine hundred pages, right, we can split it up 457 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 2: and figure out how to combat that, and we should 458 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 2: take our communities back and take power in our communities. 459 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 2: You don't want to educate us properly, It's okay. We'll 460 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 2: educate them ourselves. And now we'll actually indoctrinate them as 461 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: y'all like to say with the real and the real 462 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 2: is these people are racist and it's all about race 463 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 2: when it comes to them. Everything our laws are written 464 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 2: with race in the center. So there's no way that 465 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 2: we will ever be a color find nation. I'll leave 466 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 2: it about that. 467 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would add to that. There's something that 468 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: I remember Miss Sherlyn Eiffel saying that struck me. Not 469 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,480 Speaker 1: that it's the only thing, but that struck me when 470 00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: they struck down affirmative action education, and she said, you 471 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 1: know what, that was our compromise, and we need to 472 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 1: go for what we actually want right. And I think 473 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: that is another opportunity that we're getting here, is that 474 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: one of the consequences of these elections has also been 475 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: that we've had to understand and remember what our power 476 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: is and what we actually want right and so do 477 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: we want DEI Actually that is a compromise that was 478 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: to keep them and their mediocre cells. I almost cussed. 479 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: Feel like they were giving us a space to be 480 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: it we should be in all this space. Actually, we 481 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: just want to be able to do what we need 482 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 1: to do at our highest, fullest potential. And if that 483 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: means that you all are not these other folks are 484 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: not able to keep up there. You know, Kavanaugh, I 485 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: drink beer, is not able to be on the Supreme Court. 486 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: So be it, because you don't need to be there actually, right, 487 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 1: And I think that on all of these fronts, in 488 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: the front of immigration, I shouldn't have to be a 489 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: citizen to live in this country. White people go they 490 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: live in Ghana and they just live there and they 491 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: have to become a citizen and they enjoy their lives 492 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: because they get to have The Earth is their turf, happen. 493 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: The earth be your turf. We were here first on 494 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: this planet. The earth is our turf. And so what 495 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: we want is a world in which you can live 496 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: wherever you need to live in order for you to thrive. 497 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 1: You only get one life, and you should be able 498 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: to thrive right with your communities and with your families. 499 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: And so that's what I would say. Yes, they say 500 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: that there's no race here, they always are thinking of race, 501 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: even when they say we're trying to be colorblind. As 502 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: ab just pointed out, that's always a lie. But I 503 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: think as we're pushing for what that means, we need 504 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: to push for what we actually want unapologetically unabashedly. We 505 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: want it all, brand new, socks, draws, pomp poms, everything, 506 00:26:55,160 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: we want it blank blank too. That's right, that's right. 507 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever heard socks, draws, and pom 508 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: poms together, but I'm here for it. Okay again, y'all, 509 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: this is the best Coast podcast. It ain't even Happy 510 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: Hour right now, but it is somewhere. We ain't drinking 511 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: on the clock. We were born like this. Okay, we 512 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,959 Speaker 1: come at it truth. We're that right there though. 513 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 2: That's it. 514 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: So I don't know if y'all have any parting words 515 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: for our folks. I'm gonna urge our people. We always 516 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: have a call to action at the end of our shows. 517 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna urge y'all to go back and read this decision. 518 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: I know that when you hear about a Supreme Court ruling, 519 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: there's something about that that may feel intimidating. I want 520 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: you to go back and read it, and I don't 521 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: want to start you off in anger. So I'm gonna 522 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 1: start you off with Sonya son on Myor's Descent. Read 523 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,640 Speaker 1: Brett Kavanaugh's concurring decision. Know that the rest of them 524 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: hosts just said, nah, we don't like it, just go 525 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: forth and do what you do. Ice. So there's nothing 526 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: really there, but that concurring decision is important. And what 527 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: Sonya Soda Mayors said is it also important because if 528 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: they don't start to pivot in the way that Justice 529 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 1: Soda Mayora and Justice Brown Jackson have suggested, we are 530 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 1: in more of a constitutional crisis and much closer to 531 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: authoritarianism than they would let on. So I would urge 532 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: you to do that. Ladies, I want to hear from you. 533 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: What do you want people to do at home? Go ahead, Aby. 534 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 2: Now. Honestly, my big push right now is vote on 535 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 2: November fourth in California Tribe District. Let's start there. But 536 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 2: aside from that, like, don't get discouraged by these things, right, 537 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 2: I think we did get this ruling and it does 538 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 2: seem bad. Un Let's remember that this is not a 539 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,239 Speaker 2: rulin on the merits right, which means it's not like 540 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 2: the meat and potatoes and the actual case. It is 541 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 2: just some bull crap ultimately, and it can be fearful. 542 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: But don't move. 543 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,479 Speaker 2: We shouldn't be moving with our hands down like, oh 544 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 2: we lost again, because I feel like the Trump administration 545 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 2: has lost more times in court than they want, right, 546 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 2: And the more pro octave and the more allowed, and 547 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 2: the more together we are, our truly do feel like 548 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 2: the more change we're able to make. It may be 549 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 2: small baby steps, but as long as we're taking those 550 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 2: atomic steps, we gonna get somewhere eventually, you know what 551 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 2: I'm saying. So we have to keep pushing back and 552 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 2: just not get discouraged by this. 553 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: I know it's a lot. 554 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 2: I know it's overwhelming, and I know a lot of 555 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 2: us don't even understand what's going on for us, so 556 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 2: it's easy for us to check out. But do your 557 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 2: best to just stay educated, stay in the know, right, 558 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 2: follow stuff like this the Native Land podcast where we're 559 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 2: speaking in y'all language and we're talking to you, right, like, 560 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 2: keep yourself involved and just don't get buggled down by 561 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 2: the bullcrap. Because we won before we could do it again. Absolutely, 562 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 2: And I'll remind us that we are alchemists, so we 563 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 2: actually never lose. We're like Naja, we never lose, Okay, 564 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 2: we take the things. Even when it's something like this. 565 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,719 Speaker 2: It's a reminder to us maybe some folks were think that, 566 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 2: oh we're safe. Maybe some folks are thinking Oh, it's 567 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 2: just gonna be damn. Now they remind us, oh, no, 568 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 2: this is how we actually think. This is how we're 569 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 2: actually moving. It wasn't just about the price of eggs. 570 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 2: It was about much more than that. 571 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: So that we can be more intentional about how we're 572 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 1: doing things together, right, got to ask folks to follow 573 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: at instabagie to get more information because there's so much 574 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: that we need to keep up with, and we try 575 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: to do so in a way that connects us as 576 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: a diaspora and black folks that are African American, black 577 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: folks that are black immigrant because what this is is 578 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: a white supremacist fascism that is targeting black people specifically. 579 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: But they can't deal with our technology, which is us. 580 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: That's why we always win. We're talking about a people 581 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: that don't know the difference. They can't understand how bad 582 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: could be good, you know what I mean. They can't 583 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,719 Speaker 1: understand how cool could be hot. They don't even have 584 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: the fought process to keep up with our language, let 585 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: alone to keep up with our moves, right, And so 586 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: we've got to know that and know that victory is 587 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: certain as long as we're moving together. Well, hey, b 588 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: I'm surprised you can plug your She's I am legally hype. 589 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: I am legally hype on social. Make sure that y'all 590 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: follow her. She breaks it down, I'm telling you, and 591 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,239 Speaker 1: not a jump fee. I love you so much. You 592 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: guys are the best, and I'm so grateful that Smith 593 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: is legal. It's not even a legal hour, a legal 594 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: half hour with some brilliant legal minds. We will be 595 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: back because y'all, you know it's gonna be somewhere nonsense, 596 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: So just get ready. We're gonna be the special legal panel, 597 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: break it all down, break it all down, all right, 598 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: love exactly, all right, y'all, thank you so much. Shout 599 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: out to Nana, ed to Abu. 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