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Speaker 2: Hey, Hey, EMILYA Bodi Here.

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Speaker 3: You are listening to episode two hundred and forty five

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Speaker 3: of Hurdle, a wellness focused podcast where I talk to

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Speaker 3: inspirational people about everything from their highest ties and toughest

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Speaker 3: moments to essential tips on how to live a healthier, happier,

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Speaker 3: of hurdles. My goal through these discussions is to empower

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Speaker 3: of course have some fun along the way. For episode

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Speaker 3: She's a pro runner for books and made some big

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Speaker 3: Jess talks so beautifully about rediscovering the fun in running

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Speaker 3: the sport. Jess shares what it's like to work full

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Speaker 1: How are we doing, Jess, I'm doing so good. Thanks

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Speaker 4: Well, thank you, Jess. How are we doing?

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Speaker 1: sure get here, like before the thing I need it for,

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Speaker 1: and you have tracking, it's not going to get there.

444
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Speaker 1: So I finally just I caved and I'm like, I'll

445
00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,240
Speaker 1: just go and buy a pair of shoes and I'll

446
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:37,800
Speaker 1: have them as a backup worst case.

447
00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,879
Speaker 4: But ended up running in them and it was fine.

448
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,960
Speaker 3: It makes me so happy to hear that you found

449
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,800
Speaker 3: the joy again. And I do believe that that takeaway

450
00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,439
Speaker 3: that you shared about getting to a place where you

451
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:52,159
Speaker 3: really came to this realization that when I run for myself,

452
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,160
Speaker 3: when I do things for myself, when I'm not being

453
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:59,080
Speaker 3: performative in my execution, that's where the good is. And

454
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 3: of course we know that this is applicable to weigh

455
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,479
Speaker 3: more than just running. If you're talking about hobbies, if

456
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,360
Speaker 3: you're talking about your work, if you're talking about your relationships,

457
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 3: you want to feel fulfilled by the things that you do.

458
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Speaker 2: Would you say that that's.

459
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Speaker 3: A lesson that you have, since coming back to running,

460
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 3: been able to apply to other areas of your life.

461
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

462
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Speaker 1: I think I did learn a lot too. Once I

463
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 1: joined the corporate world, I learned a lot from that

464
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 1: as well. And I was in a job that I

465
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 1: did not love. I just did not feel like I

466
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,040
Speaker 1: was making a difference. I felt like a small cog

467
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 1: and a big machine. I was like, Oh, I'll just

468
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 1: make it to the next stock festing round and it's okay.

469
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,399
Speaker 1: Like by then it'll feel better and I'll be like happy,

470
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Speaker 1: and it's like, no, it never I was like, oh

471
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Speaker 1: my gosh, I can't. Like there are some people who

472
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 1: like stay at a job and they're miserable, and I

473
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,480
Speaker 1: just like could not do it for more than two years.

474
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 1: And I felt the same way, Like there were some

475
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Speaker 1: moments where I look back on the running career thing

476
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, my gosh, I probably should

477
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 1: have taken a step back or switch up what I

478
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,199
Speaker 1: was doing instead of staying in the same environment or

479
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 1: the same structure. Whatever it was for three or four

480
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 1: years and just expect it to get better. So yeah,

481
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 1: and a lot of it, you know, I run for

482
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Speaker 1: my joy and a lot of things that are going

483
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,360
Speaker 1: on upstairs in my head. But a lot of what

484
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,959
Speaker 1: makes it fun is you know, how you're tackling your

485
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 1: goals with other people. And I think syncing up with

486
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 1: my close friends now that i'm running with, like they

487
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 1: got me out of a huge hole. I was not

488
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: wanting to test myself or do things. But you know,

489
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 1: you'll get to the parking lot and pitch Black in

490
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 1: the summer and they're all talking about the workout you're

491
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 1: going to do and they're going to do, and I'm like, oh,

492
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 1: I'll just hop in for four hundred meters of your

493
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 1: eight hundred repeat, and then slowly but surely, it's like,

494
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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I'm doing my whole work out with

495
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: Rosie and doing this with Julia, and it's like it

496
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 1: stacks on top of each other, and working with other

497
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: people obviously makes it so fun, and having that synergy

498
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,439
Speaker 1: with others is great, So it's kind of like a

499
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Speaker 1: good combo both. But I've learned so much from running

500
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Speaker 1: over my twenty years of doing it, And I would say,

501
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 1: so much of what I've learned from my coaches and

502
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 1: past teammates and current teammates I've been able to apply

503
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: to life and work and things outside of the sport.

504
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Speaker 3: So interesting you say learn from my coaches, because yes,

505
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 3: you've had coaches in the past, But correct me if

506
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 3: I'm wrong.

507
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,360
Speaker 2: You're currently self coaching.

508
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: I was self coached up until about like the New

509
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: York Marathon, and in a roundabout way, got connected with

510
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,679
Speaker 1: David Roach. He's more on the trails. He's got a

511
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: long list of accolades. My husband had a trail race.

512
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Speaker 1: He signed up for a fifty k a week after

513
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Speaker 1: the New York Marathon, and while he was training for it,

514
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 1: like and we didn't really talk about it. He didn't

515
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,920
Speaker 1: really like ask me for advice because he would ask

516
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't take it, so I just stopped giving it.

517
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,239
Speaker 1: But trail super shoes would start showing up, and then

518
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: really specific kinds of gels and like all these things.

519
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, how is he learning about all this? And

520
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 1: it turns out he had found David's podcast, and then

521
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 1: we were listening to his podcast. On the way to Thanksgiving,

522
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 1: we went to see and diego, and I really liked

523
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: his vibe and it seems like he just has like

524
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 1: a fun, you know, like sense of play approach to

525
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 1: the sport, like diligent about what he does.

526
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Speaker 4: But I really liked his vibe.

527
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Speaker 1: If I was going to work with somebody again, I

528
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: didn't want it to add stress to my life. I

529
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,159
Speaker 1: wanted it to be very collaborative, like collaborative and adaptable

530
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 1: and iterative.

531
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Speaker 4: And that's exactly what it is. Like.

532
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: We work loosely and very well together. His workouts have

533
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: been awesome. There they've been things I've never I would

534
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 1: have never given those workouts to myself on paper building

535
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,479
Speaker 1: up for the track again this year, So it's it's

536
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: been great. But yeah, so it's been like two or

537
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 1: three months and working with somebody, But it took a

538
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: minute to get to the point where I fell ready

539
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Speaker 1: for that.

540
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Speaker 3: What does it feel like to have someone in your

541
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Speaker 3: corner like a coach when you were spending so much

542
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 3: time sorting this out for yourself previously.

543
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels great.

544
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: We didn't know each other prior to you know, connecting

545
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: on the phone, so it's not like there was this

546
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Speaker 1: It was going back with my college coach or high

547
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: school coach again, where it's like, oh my gosh, they've

548
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: known me since I was thirteen or you know, eighteen, But.

549
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 4: That almost makes it fun.

550
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm a different athlete now than I was

551
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: back then, and I think I have different needs now,

552
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 1: and he's got kids, and you know, he's doing things

553
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: outside of the sport too, and I think it's it's

554
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 1: just really cool to have somebody in your corner that

555
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: knows there's a lot more to learn about you, but

556
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: they're you know, super stoked about what they've been seeing

557
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: lately and know.

558
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 4: That there's so much potential to be tapped into.

559
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 1: And I got to the point where I'm like, Okay,

560
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: I know how to train myself for like the fun

561
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: things I like to do at the endurance strength based level,

562
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: but like, I don't know how to train myself for

563
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: a five k opener and then a half marathon and

564
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: then a k and then a marathon all in the

565
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: same build. So I just had to have a little

566
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: come to Jesus moment with myself and admit that I

567
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: needed some sort of help and guidance.

568
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 4: And he's been a great match. So it's been fun.

569
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 3: And that's such a relatable sentiment, can I tell you, Jess,

570
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 3: because so many of us are out here just trying

571
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 3: to do it all ourselves.

572
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,719
Speaker 2: And you know it too. You were doing it for

573
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 2: a while.

574
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 3: But to get to this point where you come clean

575
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 3: with yourself and you're saying, not only do I need help,

576
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 3: but I have goals that demands something greater. And it

577
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 3: goes back to this conversation of nothing changes. If nothing changes,

578
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 3: you were going to keep getting injured if you didn't

579
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 3: find the fun again. Just like now, as you excel

580
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,239
Speaker 3: in this new way, you're doing something differently now than

581
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 3: you were doing a year or two years ago, and

582
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 3: so you need to adapt and change.

583
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: With that super true, I think, yes, you have to

584
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: learn how to be adaptable, which I think is a

585
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: distance athlete is really hard. I think a lot of

586
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,479
Speaker 1: us like our routine and we're type A. You know,

587
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: the labels that are stamped on distance runners are sometimes true,

588
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: and I was that way. I needed to like eat

589
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: the same thing before every race or every workout, and

590
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: do the exact same thing and have it be at

591
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: the same time every day, and if the weather wasn't

592
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: perfect or this wasn't perfect, I would push it or

593
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: do it on the treadmill or like I think I

594
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: was like trying to live in like this protective bubble

595
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: and like keep that for myself. But it's like things

596
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: are gonna go wrong. And it's really helped me at

597
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: the marathon distance to just take what comes at you

598
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: and figure it out. Like I'm just so I'm so

599
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: much more chill than I used to be. And I

600
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: it sounds so cringey saying that, but I was so

601
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: wound tight and needed things a certain way to perform well.

602
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,919
Speaker 1: And now it's like, oh, I can you know, I

603
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 1: don't stress about a hotel room being loud or this

604
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: is happening or that happening, and a nicer way to live.

605
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: But it's it's learned the hard way. You can't change

606
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: what's going to happen, and you can only control what

607
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: you can control. So yeah, it's it's a hard lesson

608
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: to learn. But I mean there's still things that you know,

609
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: I'm neurotic about, but we're getting better.

610
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 3: Or how do you get to a place where you

611
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: are better with going with the flow, with embracing the

612
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 3: things that you have no control over?

613
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you can decide to go through things

614
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,160
Speaker 1: once and adapt to it and figure it out out,

615
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 1: or put yourself through things twice. Maybe, Like I used

616
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: to go through all these scenarios in my head, like

617
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: what if this happens, and then it ends up happening,

618
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: and it's like, Okay, I've literally thought through the first

619
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: like the worst thing that can happen, and then it

620
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: did happen, and I stressed about it maybe happening, and

621
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: then I stressed about it actually happening. So it's like

622
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: I've stressed about this longer than I needed to. I

623
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: don't know, I you know, I dabbled in mental health

624
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: therapy stuff in Seattle, and that was definitely helpful because

625
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: that was a really hard time in my life, you know,

626
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: just adjusting to that, just the injuries and all that

627
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: going on.

628
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 4: And then it just got to the.

629
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: Point where I it was more just like the people

630
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: around me noticing that I wasn't like Jess, you know,

631
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: it was just like kind of going through the motions

632
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: and running was the only thing that was making me

633
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: happy when it was going well. And I think it

634
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: honestly took a lot from the people around me to

635
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: just be like is this what you want to do

636
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: full time? You don't seem right, you don't seem healthy. Like, honestly,

637
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: it was the people around me that sat me out

638
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: of it, and I'm thankful for that, and they challenged

639
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: me to figure out, you know, what I wanted out

640
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: of the sport, and if not the sport, like what

641
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: do you want in life and what are your goals

642
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 1: and what makes you happy outside of running? I think

643
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: it was like the permission to be just outside of

644
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: running from others that I needed. But you also need

645
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: that from yourself, like you need to figure out too, Like, Okay,

646
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: I can't let my whole identity be wrapped up in

647
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: this thing that I do. I need to figure out

648
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: like who I am and what makes me happy. And

649
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: moving back to Arizona felt like I was waving the

650
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: white flag a little bit, but it was like, no,

651
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: being around my family like makes me happy. And I

652
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: reconnected with my awesome group of high school friends, and

653
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: then I found an awesome startup to join, and like

654
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: got to turn my marketing brain on and use my

655
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: degree from college. And you know, it was a lot

656
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: of good things happened when I moved back, but I

657
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: had to kind of like just let it, let it

658
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: all happen.

659
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 4: In hit ground zero and then there was nowhere but up.

660
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 3: So you were in a place where you had thought

661
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Speaker 3: or expected that it was going to be one way.

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Speaker 3: And as you're on the journey down the particular path,

663
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Speaker 3: you start to hit these hurdles and you start to realize, Okay,

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Speaker 3: this isn't feeling how I want to feel, So abandoning

665
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Speaker 3: the path that you're on is always going to be scary.

666
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Speaker 3: But when you get over that, start right, get over

667
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Speaker 3: the Okay, I'm going to accept that maybe it wasn't

668
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Speaker 3: for me. Then you open up all these other doors

669
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Speaker 3: on this new path. You start exploring what is it

670
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Speaker 3: along the way that could be exciting, that could be intriguing.

671
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Speaker 3: How can these new relationships serve me? How can this

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Speaker 3: different career serve me? And that is all such a

673
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Speaker 3: beautiful opportunity. Yeah, it was great.

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Speaker 1: I think I was really hoping it would all click

675
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Speaker 1: all at once, and it didn't. Like there were little

676
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Speaker 1: things like I'm like, okay, let's figure out the work thing.

677
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Speaker 1: I need to I need to like figure out how

678
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Speaker 1: to support myself. So like work needs to happen because

679
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Speaker 1: I need a place to live that's not with my parents.

680
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Speaker 1: So it's it's also like taking on things and like

681
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Speaker 1: setting goals that are sizeable, like little bite size pieces too,

682
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Speaker 1: like things that don't seem like this huge mountain you

683
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Speaker 1: have to climb right away, and I think, I you know,

684
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Speaker 1: when you move back, you feel like you have to

685
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Speaker 1: or you do hit ground zero, you feel like you

686
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Speaker 1: have to do all these things at once, and it's like, okay, no,

687
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: what can I fix? Or like what can I tackle

688
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: first that seems doable? And momentums everything. It's like little

689
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: winds are it's momentum building. And I feel like I

690
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: was doing little things that were setting myself up for success,

691
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: not in major ways, but like just getting my feet

692
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: back under me, and not even with running to start.

693
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Speaker 1: It was just like, Okay, I can finally be around

694
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Speaker 1: my family. I haven't been around my family in ten

695
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Speaker 1: plus years, and I can really like invest in those

696
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Speaker 1: relationships and really learn how to be a good friend again.

697
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Speaker 1: And oh my gosh, I can date now. I have

698
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Speaker 1: time to like maybe like meet people and enjoy that

699
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Speaker 1: part of life and not be on the road like

700
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Speaker 1: all the time. Like there were just things that were

701
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Speaker 1: fun and then you know, the running thing once everything

702
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Speaker 1: else felt okay and I felt like I was a

703
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Speaker 1: whole person. I just realized, man, like running does make

704
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Speaker 1: me who I am, and I really miss it. So

705
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Speaker 1: I figured out how to fold it back in. That

706
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: wasn't this big scary thing all at once, Like I

707
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: didn't get back with my coach, and I didn't, you know,

708
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Speaker 1: sign up for races. I literally took a hiatus for

709
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Speaker 1: a few years and found little ways to like stack

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Speaker 1: joy back.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, I'm glad it happened.

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Speaker 3: on the small steps, like you can't do it all

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Speaker 3: at once. You mentioned ground zero aka rock Bottom. It's

769
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 3: a place that so many of us have been at

770
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 3: so many different moments, right, going through so many troubling circumstances.

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Speaker 3: If you're okay sharing this, what did that experience look

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Speaker 3: like for you?

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Speaker 2: When did you know you needed to make a change.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was lining up for you know,

775
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 1: another outdoor championship hurt again, just trying to get myself

776
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 1: to the line piece together. I saw, you know, a

777
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Speaker 1: trusted sports guy that most everybody sees in this world,

778
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: luckily before the race, and it got me to the

779
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 1: point where I could like kind of run pain free.

780
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: But I ran a whole ten k on a half

781
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: like I think I had a stress reaction or stress

782
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: fracture in my shin and I'd gotten so used to

783
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: running on it, like on this injury. It was so frustrating,

784
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: and I'm in this race and I'm literally like, just

785
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Speaker 1: get to the finish line.

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Speaker 4: I just wanted it to be over so bad, and

787
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Speaker 4: it was.

788
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Speaker 1: And I remember I said, I'm gonna go cool down,

789
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: and instead I went to a set of bleachers like

790
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: way off in the distance in the dark, and I

791
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: just sat and I cried my eyes out, which I

792
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: feel like we all have moments like that, and I

793
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 1: literally was like, I never want to feel like this again.

794
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: Like I just I don't know what it's going to take.

795
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's like literally throwing the towel

796
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Speaker 1: in and quitting the sport or like taking a long

797
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: time away from it. But I that moment I just

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00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: recall so vividly. I was like, I just just felt

799
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: so done and defeated. And it ultimately led to, yeah,

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Speaker 1: the move home. And you know, it was when you

801
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: have poured your whole self into like one thing, you

802
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: just feel like it's like just sight like it's so

803
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: silent and it's alone, and you're you just feel so

804
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: lonely because you're like, oh man, I'm just you think

805
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: of all the years you've put into this and all

806
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: the you know, you also think of your younger self

807
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: who just dreamed of being and doing this, and you're like,

808
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: oh man, like you just felt like you let everybody

809
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: down and it sucked. But luckily, you know, I had

810
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: a good mix of like tough love and love for

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Speaker 1: my parents that parents give. If I'm very lucky, like

812
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: they took me back I was under their roof and

813
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: under their rules again. They'd be like, oh, we're what

814
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: time will you be home tonight. I'm like, I am

815
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Speaker 1: twenty six. I'm just going out with my friends. But

816
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 1: it was like so special also to have that time

817
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: to like move back in with them and you know,

818
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Speaker 1: have that time and figure my life out. I was

819
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: very fortunate that they were able to do that and

820
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: give me that opportunity. But yeah, I've hit that point

821
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: and many times, but like that was like the most

822
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 1: recent pivotal moment where I was like something like we

823
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: need to change this, Like this should not be the norm.

824
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: Like running broken is not that's not good.

825
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 3: And feeling broken isn't the norm, right, And I appreciate

826
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Speaker 3: what you said about how that experience led you to

827
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Speaker 3: moving back home. It also, ultimately, all of these years

828
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Speaker 3: later led you to the year that you had in

829
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty four and led you to finding so much

830
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Speaker 3: happiness and fulfillment. It is not until we go through

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Speaker 3: these difficult hurdle moments and emerge on the other side

832
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Speaker 3: to learn from them, that we can get to a

833
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Speaker 3: place where we can become whole again. Talk to us

834
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Speaker 3: a little bit about twenty twenty four. So many crediting

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Speaker 3: that year as your Oh my god, you were a

836
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Speaker 3: rocket to launch my girl, talk to me about twenty

837
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Speaker 3: twenty four and how you're feeling now when you look

838
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Speaker 3: back on that year.

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Speaker 4: It was really twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: I think that like set me up for twenty twenty

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00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: four obviously, but it was gosh. I just felt like

842
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: I got to the point where it's kind of when

843
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Speaker 1: you first open the podcast, you're like, how are you

844
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, I'm like wow, Everything's good.

845
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 4: Like it's just like this flow state.

846
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: Obviously, life happens all the time and little things creep up,

847
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: and you know, sad things happen.

848
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Speaker 4: You figure it out, but like, I just felt.

849
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Speaker 1: Like twenty twenty three was a year where I again

850
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: was having so much fun with running. It felt like

851
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: a science project with you know, Rosie and Julia and

852
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: my teammates of like, okay, what's gonna make us all happy?

853
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: And at the time, you know, Rosie's from the UK

854
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: and Julia was training for the trials too, so it

855
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: felt like this shared mission and it was just really

856
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: fun and everything just felt super unknown, and I think

857
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Speaker 1: I had done so much of the same thing for

858
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: so long in the sport, like the ten k, the

859
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: five k, the track, the road circuit, and the marathon

860
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: just seemed like this big question mark, Like I love

861
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: road racing because it's just it's about racing. It's not

862
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: about perfectly paced four hundreds and you know, splits being

863
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: yelled out to every two hundred meters or you know,

864
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: like pacers being in you know, in some cases are

865
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Speaker 1: our pacers, But like, the roads just felt like this

866
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: really fun experiment. And I think that's kind of how

867
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Speaker 1: it was like a metaphor for my life too, Like

868
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: I was just figuring out everything and it eventually clicked

869
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: and I met my husband and we got married. And honestly,

870
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Speaker 1: I think my advice to anybody is like, man, the

871
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: partner you pick for your life is like such an

872
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 1: important decision because I feel like he has just been

873
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: he's made this so fun, and he has made it

874
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: like our journey, which is really cool. So I think

875
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: with the marathon, it was a lot about like, oh yeah,

876
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: let's freakin side, let's freaking go for the Like I

877
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: ran Mesa and it was on a course that was

878
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 1: net down and didn't qualify me for the trial and

879
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: that wasn't the goal.

880
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 4: I was just doing it to have fun.

881
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: And then you know, I opened my Twitter and I

882
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: can't remember which accounts it where it was, but it

883
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: was like, oh, Jess McClain me Ton has run the

884
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 1: Masa Marathon in a time of this, but it doesn't

885
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: count because the course doesn't you know, it's not certified.

886
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 1: And I was like, gosh, dang it. I'm like, okay,

887
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: you know what, screw this, I'm going to go qualify

888
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 1: for real, which became fun and I did, and then

889
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: the trials was all about like I was just I

890
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: don't know, it was like the least nervous I've ever

891
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: been for a race, and I was just so happy

892
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: to have made it to the line because I couldn't

893
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, I got hurt, had to watch the

894
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: five k from the stands. At the track trials twenty twenty,

895
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: I was like so gung ho for the ten k

896
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: team trying to make that COVID happened. So I was

897
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: just like, let's just get there and then whatever happens.

898
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: Like I just relinquished all like like just control and

899
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: stress and just wanted to have fun out there and

900
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: I knew I trained in Phoenix for years, so like

901
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: the heat, if that was the thing, it would have

902
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: been fine. I just I got in the race and

903
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: it was just the most fun I've had racing ever.

904
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: And I think it showed I had a really strong

905
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: second half of the race, which is my whole goal.

906
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: And then you know you always wish, like, oh, if

907
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: only it was sixteen seconds longer, we could have made

908
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: that team. But like I think because I didn't go

909
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: in with this huge goal of like not even like

910
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: I did have a goal. I wanted to get top five,

911
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: but I wasn't like we're going to make this Olympic team,

912
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: like do or die. And that's how my mindset had

913
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: been all the way up until this point, like we

914
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: are always going to try and make a team, and

915
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: if we don't, like we're gonna get right back on

916
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: the hamster wheel. I didn't really think that way. I

917
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: was just like, whatever happens happens, and I just ran

918
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: my own race. I knew exactly what I needed to

919
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: do to like run well, and it just had fun

920
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: and I had fun out there, and then I did not.

921
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: I kind of in my mind had solidified it as

922
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: like a farewell tour. I was like, after this, I'll

923
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: move on the running thing will have felt fulfilled, like

924
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: maybe we'll have kids, maybe I'll do this with work

925
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 1: or like whatever. And then in the middle of the race,

926
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: I was like, I do not want this to be

927
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: over like this, this is what like the moment I've

928
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: been training for and like wanting for years and it

929
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: just felt so fun. So yeah, and then it just

930
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: kicked off a whole like year of nothing I thought

931
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: would happen. But I got back with Brooks and that

932
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 1: was amazing. I'm almost coming up with my one year

933
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: annie with Brooks again, which is awesome.

934
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 4: So yeah. And then from there it was just it

935
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 4: was all fun in twenty twenty four.

936
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 2: Finding the fun.

937
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 3: It's so special to see you talk about it and

938
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 3: how you light up. And I love that your process

939
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 3: and feeling goal like your goal going in was to

940
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 3: find the fun and enjoy yourself. And in executing on

941
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: your a goal, which is I want to have the fun,

942
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 3: you were able to accomplish things that maybe felt a

943
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 3: little bit bigger than you, that felt a little bit scary.

944
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 3: It's so funny when you said I didn't have a

945
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 3: big goal Okay, I wanted to place in the top five,

946
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 3: Like top five I have female American marathonors in like,

947
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 3: that's bananas.

948
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 2: That's so extraordinary.

949
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: But for you, it was very doable because you focused

950
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 3: on the good, right.

951
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'm a competitor and I'm a racer,

952
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: so I do. I do have goals going into races,

953
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: especially like world majors and anything on the national world stage.

954
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think you have to like you can't

955
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: hold everything so tightly, like you have to hold your

956
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 1: goals a little bit loose to like leave room for adaptability,

957
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: and like things happen and you have to learn how

958
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 1: to fail. Well, Like I think I just took failure

959
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: at face value and I'm like I literally suck, and

960
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 1: it's like, no, not every race can go one hundred

961
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: percent according to plan, And like last year, I would

962
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: have never thought I would line up on the track again.

963
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: I literally like, in talking to Brooks, I told them,

964
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: do not even talk to me about the track, like

965
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: I'm not getting on the track.

966
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah blah blah.

967
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: And then of course I'm like, Okay, the track will

968
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: make me a better marathonor and it scares me because

969
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: of everything that happened in the past, and it's good

970
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: for me. But like even with the track, like my

971
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: initial goal was like literally just line up on the

972
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 1: track and finish a race on the track, and it's

973
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: like do things that scare you like when you're when

974
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: you're ready for them. I think sometimes a lot of

975
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 1: what I did in the past was like doing things

976
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: a little bit too prematurely, and I almost wanted to

977
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 1: get to the point now where I'm like I'm itching

978
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: to do something or test myself instead of hopping in

979
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: a little bit too early. And it's Yeah, twenty twenty

980
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: four was really fun. I think I definitely did not

981
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: think I would be on the Olympic trial start line

982
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: at Hayward Field, but I'm really glad I did that,

983
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 1: and then getting forth twice, like it's it didn't shatter

984
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: my world, And I think that was the biggest takeaway

985
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: from twenty twenty four was like I could be so

986
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: close to making an Olympic team or not make a

987
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: team and still feel like so fulfilled and have these

988
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 1: great memories and great takeaways from a year where in

989
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: the past that would have totally shattered me, like I

990
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 1: probably would have retired for good if that happened to

991
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,359
Speaker 1: just like in twenty sixteen or twenty Yeah, And that's

992
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: kind of my mentality going into twenty twenty eight, like

993
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: I want to keep doing this through LA and I'm

994
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: going to try my hardest to make that team, but

995
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: it's not going to be at like do or die

996
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: all cost anymore.

997
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 3: What a what a special thing to hear you say,

998
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 3: knowing your history with dealing with failure in a way

999
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 3: that you do not deal with it anymore, letting go

1000
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,760
Speaker 3: of these things that you grip so tightly. It's really

1001
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 3: a lesson for all of us, right that there can

1002
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 3: be a light at the end of the tunnel. You

1003
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 3: just have to choose to seek it. For you being

1004
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 3: forth both in the marathon and then in the ten

1005
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 3: k twice over, do you feel as though there was

1006
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 3: any sort of gift that was given to you by

1007
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 3: coming in that place? Do you feel like that happened

1008
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 3: for you? Or do you hold frustration with that?

1009
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 4: No? I don't, I don't.

1010
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 1: I mean, of course you always think about like when

1011
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: you divide twenty six miles by fifteen seconds, you're like,

1012
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: oh my god, like that is so little time per

1013
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: mile or you know, one mile where I may have coasted,

1014
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: but like, no, I I feel like both of my

1015
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 1: interviews right after like you can't really hold back what

1016
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: you're actually feeling in those moments, like it's raw. It's

1017
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: like right after the finish line, like it was pretty

1018
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: much joy. I think it hit me a little bit

1019
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: at the marathon, like how much I wanted it on

1020
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: the roads, Like on the track, I just the track

1021
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: has been fine, but it's like I feel like I've

1022
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: found like my place on the roads. So I think

1023
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: with the marathon, I realized like, oh man, like I

1024
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: do really want this.

1025
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 4: But it wasn't like woe is me? Like why did

1026
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 4: I get forth?

1027
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: I was really happy, like I ran a lot faster

1028
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: than I ever thought I would in that heat and

1029
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: in the conditions. And then again it's like what I

1030
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: kind of just said, I feel like it was just

1031
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: really good perspective. I think it also taught me that

1032
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: I can decide to train as an alternate and you know,

1033
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: I said, like I would be ready if I needed

1034
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: if I needed to be, and I kind of committed

1035
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: to that because I sacrificed. I definitely sacrificed ten ten

1036
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 1: k sharpness, and I knew if the ten k went

1037
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: out slow, I was totally toast, like I could not

1038
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: I just like I knew I couldn't hang with Parker

1039
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: and Waney and Carissa if if it was going to

1040
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: be a slow, tactical race to start, and it was,

1041
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,479
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, we're racing for fourth again,

1042
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: Like this is.

1043
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 4: I know how to do that.

1044
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: I feel so much peace, And I think that was

1045
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 1: like the coolest thing coming out of last year, because

1046
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to go into twenty twenty eight like

1047
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: stressing about what if I get fourth again or what

1048
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: if I just barely miss a team, because there's so

1049
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: much other good that's happened, like getting top ten and

1050
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: a World major. When I was stressed and nervous out

1051
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: of my mind about it, like I was like a

1052
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: fish out of water in New York. I just was

1053
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: taking it all in. I did way too much before

1054
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: the race. I was so nervous, and it's still like

1055
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: once the gun went off, I knew exactly what to

1056
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,720
Speaker 1: do and my body like we were like, oh, okay,

1057
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: this is like this is what we were training for

1058
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: and this is what we're ready for. So I've learned

1059
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: how to race on the big stages, and I haven't

1060
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 1: up until this point, Like I barely ever made a team.

1061
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,479
Speaker 1: I made like one Knack Act team, which I don't

1062
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: really count, but I've never really run on the world stage.

1063
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 4: So I think a.

1064
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 1: Lot of twenty four was just like taking it as

1065
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: it came and just being grateful. Also like I've never

1066
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: had these experiences, and I feel like just trusting myself

1067
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: has gotten me here, So I just try to remind

1068
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: myself of that. But it gets hard when you're in

1069
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: those moments and everything seems so big, and you know

1070
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 1: you're in New York City and you're lining up against

1071
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: the best in the world, but it's so cool to

1072
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 1: be on that starting line.

1073
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 3: It can be a lot of and both, right, Like

1074
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 3: there can hundred percent a deep feeling of gratitude and

1075
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 3: appreciation for the opportunity, and also you could wish that

1076
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 3: maybe something was a little bit different and that doesn't

1077
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 3: make it any less special or great or on the

1078
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 3: flip side, like difficult or hard.

1079
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: Right.

1080
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 3: I have to ask, because you mentioned being in the

1081
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 3: stands of the twenty sixteen trials, would you liken being

1082
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 3: on the ground in Paris during the Olympic Marathon to

1083
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 3: being in the stands at the twenty sixteen Olympic Trials.

1084
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 4: Good question.

1085
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: No, I think the trials. I felt so defeated and

1086
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: I was hurt. I could barely walk, and somehow I

1087
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: thought in my mind I'd be able to get through

1088
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: two rounds of the five K. So I was just

1089
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: fully broken mentally physically in Eugene watching that. Paris was

1090
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: completely different, Like it was my choice to get on

1091
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: the plane and my choice to be there. I had

1092
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: family there, so we were like, worst case, we're going

1093
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: to make this like an awesome experience and enjoy and

1094
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 1: embrace the Olympics as a family, which was so cool.

1095
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 2: But no, I was.

1096
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 1: There like an alternate means that you're there to step

1097
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: in if you're needed, and then if you're not, you're

1098
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: there to be a gamer and a good teammate. And

1099
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 1: that's all I wanted to do. I had no other

1100
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 1: like goals that other than to line up if I

1101
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: needed to line up, and then if I wasn't, just

1102
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: you know, be a supportive in a supportive role of

1103
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: whatever that looked like.

1104
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 4: But no, Paris is great.

1105
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,720
Speaker 1: I I'm really glad I went and just put myself

1106
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: through like the international travel. I ran the course, I

1107
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: felt very like calm with you know, if I had

1108
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: to race, I felt like I could have. So I

1109
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: think I learned a lot just in terms of like

1110
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: again getting getting that worldly travel, the experience, et cetera,

1111
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 1: et cetera. So no, I totally different experiences.

1112
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, different experience Yeah yeah.

1113
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 3: What would you say that showing up looks like for

1114
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 3: yourself these days, now that you have different goals on

1115
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 3: the horizon, now that you found the joy in road

1116
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 3: racing again.

1117
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: Gosh, Emily with the questions, showing up for myself it

1118
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: looks different every day. You know, I obviously want the

1119
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: I want to be able to get the best out

1120
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: of myself every day, but it's it. It means different things.

1121
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: Like some days that's for work, some days that's you know,

1122
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: on the weekend, it's being it's being with Connor and

1123
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 1: being a good sister. Now, Aunt, I hang with my

1124
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: grandma this Sunday. But like with running, I think showing

1125
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: up for myself is like letting the easy days be easy,

1126
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 1: enjoying them, like I really use those days to like

1127
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: enjoy being outside at least why the weather finally in

1128
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: Phoenix is amazing for a while. And then you know,

1129
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: I when I do that, I feel like the hard

1130
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: day is like I get excited to show up for

1131
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: myself and like actually test myself and get the most

1132
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: out of myself on those hard days because they're you know,

1133
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,439
Speaker 1: they're only two or three times a week. I don't

1134
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 1: run a ton of mileage, and I I don't really

1135
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: ride that line anymore of you know, really getting maxing

1136
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: myself out. So I enjoy the days where I get

1137
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: to push myself a little bit more. But no, I

1138
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 1: think I think showing up for myself just means like

1139
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: taking care of myself. That can be like I love

1140
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: cooking and you know, taking care of my fueling and

1141
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: taking my dog for a walk and making my I

1142
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: look forward to my cup of coffee every single morning,

1143
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: just little things. I don't think it has to be

1144
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: like these big acts. But it's like, do do the

1145
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: little things in your day that you can prioritize it,

1146
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,439
Speaker 1: like you know, make you smile and get your days

1147
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 1: started off right or help it end well. And then

1148
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: in those moments where you can test yourself, like have

1149
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: fun with it and don't worry too much about the

1150
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: outcome and enjoy like the process of doing that. I

1151
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: think I've learned how to show up for myself more.

1152
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 1: But that's like such a good question.

1153
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. To you, Jess, showing up for yourself

1154
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,319
Speaker 3: is meeting yourself with where you're at, knowing that where

1155
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 3: you're at is going to be different on any given day.

1156
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 3: And something that always sticks with me is this concept

1157
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 3: that all it takes is all you've got. But sometimes

1158
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 3: today I might have a certain amount, and tomorrow I

1159
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 3: might have less, and then the next day I might

1160
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 3: have more. Right, So having the grace to ebb and

1161
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 3: flow with that. It sounds as though that's a level

1162
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 3: of grace that you have acknowledged and adopted over time.

1163
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1164
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: Yes, and you literally just said that so perfectly. I

1165
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: think meeting yourself where you're at and finding the people

1166
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: like to surround yourself with that can also do that

1167
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: is really important, Like everybody loves to be there when

1168
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: things go well. But it's also like I love a least.

1169
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: I'm just going to keep using her as a reference,

1170
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: but she always says, like even offline, like who are

1171
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: the people at your table? And it's so true, like

1172
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: you get to the point in life where you realize, yes,

1173
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: the seats at the table become a little bit less

1174
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: and less, but it's it's truly about like finding those

1175
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: people in your life that support you, who are there

1176
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 1: for you when you can't even be there for yourself.

1177
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: That's been super important too. Like for me, it's I've

1178
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: been picked up so quickly, effortlessly by the people around

1179
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: me over the last few years that have gotten me

1180
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: to this point where I just feel so supported and

1181
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: like I get to the line and it doesn't matter

1182
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: how I do, They're still going to love me and

1183
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: support me at the end of the day. And I

1184
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: think that's something too that's so important, is like just

1185
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: find the people that are there for you. Because you're

1186
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: Jess or you're Emily or you're you. You just don't

1187
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: you don't have time for people that are not going

1188
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: to fill your cup. So I think that's a huge

1189
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 1: part of it too.

1190
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, finding the people that make you feel excited to

1191
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 3: sit down at the table and not that you need

1192
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 3: to like eat really quickly and then run off with it.

1193
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, shove the food in your mouth and get out

1194
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 4: of there.

1195
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 2: Now.

1196
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 3: Someone comes to your Instagram page, they see a woman

1197
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 3: who is a pro runner with Brooks and going after

1198
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 3: some exciting goals, including the upcoming Boston Marathon. When you

1199
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 3: look in the mirror, Jess, what is it that you

1200
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 3: see looking back at you?

1201
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I see you know, I see a genuinely

1202
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: just good person. I think, I, oh gosh, this feels cringe.

1203
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: But this is a good exercise because this is something

1204
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: I've worked on. I'm like, I didn't want to just

1205
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: be just the I've said this before, Like I came

1206
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,720
Speaker 1: home and like you start to notice how people introduce

1207
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: you to other people, and it would always be like, oh,

1208
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: this is Jess the Stanford runner. Oh this is Jess,

1209
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 1: she runs professionally. This is Jess, she runs for Brooks.

1210
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 1: And then now it's like, oh, this is Jess and

1211
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: she does she's this to me, or like she does

1212
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 1: this or that. Like it's become so much more than

1213
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 1: just the running thing, which for me is like hasn't

1214
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: been something I've tried to like curate externally. But for me,

1215
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I'm so much more than just running.

1216
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: Like I've really tried to tried to make an effort

1217
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: to like show up for my friends at this stage

1218
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: in life, like it's been tough. Like you have friends

1219
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 1: going through, you know, fertility journeys and trying to start

1220
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: a family, and now our parents are getting older and

1221
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: they're experiencing loss, and it's like life gets hard. So

1222
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: I just have really tried to be there for my

1223
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 1: friends and obviously my family too. But yeah, I think

1224
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: I'm empathetic. I make myself laugh, which I think is important.

1225
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 1: I love my dog, so I think people know that.

1226
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,520
Speaker 1: Spend a lot of time with him out in the world. Yeah,

1227
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: I try to be a supportive wife. My husband is

1228
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: crazy and we do crazy things together, but we try

1229
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: to do things our way, and it's been really fun

1230
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: to like do scary things and tackle them together.

1231
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 4: I probably just a whole mix of kitchen sink.

1232
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1233
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 3: When you think about what's exciting you moving forward, what's

1234
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 3: on the horizon for you.

1235
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm definitely excited for Boston. I think I learned

1236
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: a lot at my first World Major, so really excited

1237
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: just to embrace the experience like as a whole now

1238
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: I know what goes into it. Be really excited too,

1239
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: to like connect with more of the running community at

1240
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: World majors like that is so fun to me. I

1241
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: think the roads are so cool and world majors and

1242
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 1: marathons are so cool because you have people lining up

1243
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: like from all over the world for different reasons, like

1244
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: this could be their freaking like twentieth Boston Marathon, it

1245
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: could be their first marathon ever. Like that is one

1246
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: of my favorite parts of the sport, and I think

1247
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: that's what Brooks does really well, is just the community

1248
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: support and focus that they have is really really cool.

1249
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: So I'm really excited for that. Yeah, I'm going to

1250
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: hop back on the track for a really fast ten

1251
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: k at the end.

1252
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 4: Of March, which will be fun.

1253
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: And then outside of running, I just had like my

1254
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: full first full year in the nonprofit world, and we're

1255
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: going to try and like tackle some really fun big

1256
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: events for foster kiddos and our dog rescue side. We

1257
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: do really big they're called Love Pup Family Fest events

1258
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: here in Phoenix, and we just had one this past

1259
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: year that had eight thousand people there, which was so cool.

1260
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: We're a team of four and we planned an event

1261
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: for eight thousand people. So we're trying to dream big

1262
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: for this year and it's like a big Adoption Festival.

1263
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: We have tons of rescues from all over the state

1264
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: come in and we just raise money and get donations

1265
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: for shelter prevention awareness in Phoenix. So yeah, I'm just

1266
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 1: excited to challenge myself again, hopefully do a fall marathon,

1267
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: just stay on that hamster wheel. It's been really fun,

1268
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: and then figure out other ways to challenge myself in

1269
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: the running realm, which still tends to be the track.

1270
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: So I'm sure all I'll on the gravel more time

1271
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 1: in the summer.

1272
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 4: But TBVD.

1273
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 3: Before I ask you the final question, you reference the

1274
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 3: hamster wheel. I feel like you know this is about running.

1275
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 3: It's not about running. There are so many things that

1276
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 3: we're doing in our day to day that we are

1277
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 3: kind of just simply going through the motions on despite

1278
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,439
Speaker 3: having a strong why, right, it can get a little

1279
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 3: bit difficult to keep putting in the work toward big goals.

1280
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 3: For you, what helps you stay diligent in the pursuit

1281
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 3: of things that excite you.

1282
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: I think I'm really I am pretty intrinsically motivated, which

1283
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: already like has gives me a good baseline. But I

1284
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: think I've I have a few people around me that

1285
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: hold me really accountable. I work with an amazing massage therapist,

1286
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: George Alex, who worked with John Ball, who is like

1287
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people were with John out of of Arizona,

1288
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: but George is now on his own and he literally

1289
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: puts ideas in my head and makes me go out

1290
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: of my comfort zone all the time.

1291
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 4: So that's been really really good for me. Yeah, I

1292
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 4: don't know.

1293
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: I think I'm just I'm really excited to get the

1294
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: best out of myself. And the shelf life thing used

1295
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: to scare me. I used to think like, oh, I

1296
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: only have X amount of years left to do this,

1297
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: Like I don't know if my body will hold up.

1298
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: I'm you know, there's all these like things out there

1299
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: that say you're old at a certain age and you

1300
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: age out blah blah blah. But now like that doesn't

1301
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: scare me anymore, and I feel like it's more of

1302
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: like a challenge, like how can I still get better

1303
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: at thirty three, at thirty four, at thirty six when

1304
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: I'll line up at the trials again. So I think

1305
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: it's just more about like being curious and it's not

1306
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: so much about like outcomes times places like most of

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Speaker 1: these races that I've had the most fun at and

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Speaker 1: have done the most Like, the best that I have

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Speaker 1: done are the races where I don't check the clock

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Speaker 1: and I don't know what place I'm at in the race.

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Speaker 1: I'm just racing and I'm enjoying it and I'm in

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Speaker 1: the moment. So yeah, just a lot of a lot

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Speaker 1: of that.

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Speaker 4: That was a long winded answer, But.

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Speaker 2: You're so fine. I love the sentiments about the shelf life.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if there's anything that the Eras and the

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Speaker 3: Diana Tarassi and Ali Krieger and Rappino, like all of

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Speaker 3: these great female athletes that are now that we're competing

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Speaker 3: well into their late thirties, early forties and beyond, if

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Speaker 3: there's anything that they're teaching us Shelly and Fraser Price,

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Speaker 3: it's that you can keep going after what excites you

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Speaker 3: and that age doesn't need.

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Speaker 2: To be your limiting factor.

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Speaker 3: Right now, Jess, you have an opportunity to offer yourself

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Speaker 3: a piece of advice looking back on the hurdle moment,

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Speaker 3: which was you realizing that you couldn't keep telling the

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Speaker 3: line injured, that you didn't want to be crying in

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Speaker 3: the bleachers anymore, and knowing what you know Now, what

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Speaker 3: would you tell that younger.

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Speaker 4: Jess when I was down bad, crying at the gym.

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Speaker 2: Taylor swith we've all have been there.

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Speaker 1: I would tell Jess that she's got it more figured

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Speaker 1: out than she thinks, and that you really do like

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Speaker 1: your gut is so it's like your true north compass.

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Speaker 4: And I always knew what I needed.

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Speaker 1: To do, but I was just so scared about I

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Speaker 1: was so scared to change things or mix things up.

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Speaker 1: But it's actually scarier to like stay stagnant or complacent,

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Speaker 1: like I was saying, like, just trust yourself is honestly

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Speaker 1: what I think I would tell myself. I used to

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Speaker 1: not even trust myself in races. I didn't even think

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Speaker 1: I had race instincts, so I would have to rely

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Speaker 1: on my coaches to tell me an exact race plan.

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Speaker 1: And when the race didn't go out that way, I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh, well, i'msol I have no idea what

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Speaker 1: to do now. But I've learned like I do innately

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Speaker 1: have really good just instincts in terms of racing, in

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Speaker 1: terms of knowing what's best for me, in terms of

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Speaker 1: knowing what's right to invest in and who to surround

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Speaker 1: myself with. So I would just tell her to like

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Speaker 1: take a deep breath and like just trust yourself and

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Speaker 1: it's going to work out.

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Speaker 2: It's going to work out. Jess McLean, I'm so happy

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Speaker 2: that we got to do this.

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Speaker 3: For those that don't fall along with you, just yet

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Speaker 3: give us your info so we can keep.

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Speaker 4: Up my info.

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Speaker 1: I am at just Ton t O n N on

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Speaker 1: Instagram and all the all the things I have not changed.

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Speaker 1: I'm still letting that maiden name live on, so.

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Speaker 2: Letting it ride out.

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Speaker 3: I'm over at emilya Bodi and at Hurdle Podcast another

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Speaker 3: Hurdle Conquered.

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Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time