1 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: We have with us the most decorated detective in the 2 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: history of the NYPD, retired Detective Ralph Freeman, has over 3 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: two thousand arrests, six thousand assists. One hundred of those 4 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: arrests were off duty. He's been involved in fifteen shootouts. 5 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: He has protected the lives of innocent people eight separate times, four. 6 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:37,599 Speaker 2: Of them fatally. 7 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: He has been awarded two hundred and nineteen medals, y'all. 8 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: He's gained other awards and commendations and certificates. 9 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 2: I don't even know how many. 10 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: He was part of the Bronx for to one, for Apache, y'all. 11 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: Welcome to Zone seven. 12 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you for having me show. 13 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: When I watched the series Street Justice, the Bronx, I mean, 14 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: this is your career. These are your cases, your area, 15 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: your zone, your people, and it is unbelievable, not just 16 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: for Depache, but when everybody says, hey, you know he 17 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: worked in the murder capital at the time, he worked 18 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:29,559 Speaker 1: in a war zone, the toughest just area of New York, 19 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: a hellhole. Tell us just kind of a little bit 20 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: about how you got started and what your thoughts were 21 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: when you first rolled into the four to one. 22 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 3: Well, I never thought of becoming a police officer. It 23 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 3: was just a fluke in those years. Back in the 24 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 3: late sixties, there was a walking test. You didn't have 25 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 3: to file first or anything like that. And I was 26 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 3: out with a few friends on a Friday night and 27 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 3: they said, oh, what are you doing tomorrow And they said, oh, 28 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 3: we're taking the test police department. I said, you kidding me. 29 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 3: I never thought of it, had any interaction, had no 30 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 3: family that were police officers. And I said, well, knock 31 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 3: on my door. If I wake up, i'll go, and 32 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 3: they did knock on my door. I took the test, 33 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 3: I did well in it, and they called me a 34 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 3: few months later, and I was too young to become 35 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,279 Speaker 3: a cop, but I took the job as a civilian 36 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 3: police employee, working indoors for two years, and then I 37 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 3: graduated the police academy at the end of the two years. 38 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 3: It was a four month academy, and I got assigned 39 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 3: to the forty first Precinct, which had a really wild 40 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 3: reputation back then because, like as you said, it was 41 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 3: the murder capital of the world. It was the worst 42 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 3: precinct in the United States. And I had mixed feelings 43 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 3: because I was excited about coming on the job, and 44 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 3: I didn't want to go to a place where there 45 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 3: was action. Grew up in the Bronx, but not that 46 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: side of the Bronx, and it was when I got 47 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 3: on the streets to see the violence and the disregard 48 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 3: for human life, and the poverty and the drugs. It 49 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 3: was a rude awakening, you know, to say the least. 50 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 3: But I worked with the cops there are so seasoned 51 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 3: and so professional, and you learn so much on the street, 52 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 3: you know, other than what you learned in the academy. 53 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 3: And I just took a liking to it. I enjoyed 54 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 3: helping people and taking violent criminals off the street, and 55 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 3: it was just great. I enjoyed it, ate it up 56 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 3: and he gave me like an adrenaline rush that lasted 57 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 3: for fourteen years. 58 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: Speaking of adrenaline, even when you're working the front desk, 59 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: gunfire erupts inside the police station. 60 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a very sad story of a detective 61 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 3: lost his life there. I was doing station house security 62 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 3: as a rookie, and I was indoors in uniform that 63 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 3: night and I hear a gun shots. I race upstairs 64 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 3: and a suspect was being fingerprinted by a detective, and 65 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: somehow he managed to grab the detective's gun out of 66 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 3: his waist and shot the detective with it, and the 67 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 3: other detectives in the office responded by firing at the perpetrator, 68 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 3: killing him, but the detective lost his life. And I 69 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 3: knew the detective. He was very helpful and stuff. And 70 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 3: that was the first time I saw an officer shot 71 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 3: or killed, and it was terrible, and I did see 72 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 3: many more after that, but that was my indoctrination to it. 73 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 2: And it was your friend. 74 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I knew him. I knew he tried to help 75 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:58,679 Speaker 3: me a lot. He helped me a lot of times 76 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 3: when I came in with a you know, he was 77 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 3: one of the detectives that were very helpful to the 78 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 3: rookies and you know, explain to us, you know, how 79 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 3: to proceed with an arrest procedure. 80 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: And as a matter of fact, he was coming back 81 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: to you after you franker printed the perpetrator to help 82 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: you with some paperwork, right. 83 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was going to help me later. Also to note, 84 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 3: after that incident, it became a very strict rule that 85 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 3: no officer or a detective whatever process a prisoner with 86 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 3: a gun on you had a secure your weapon before processing. 87 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 3: But that was the incident that instituted that rule in 88 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 3: the police department, and I think it's in many other 89 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 3: police apartments also. 90 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 2: It's that way in my department right now today. 91 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, you see, I think it's spread across the whole country. 92 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 3: You know, when you're handling a prisoner, because you when 93 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 3: your fingerprinting or doing paperwork or on the phone, it 94 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 3: leaves you too vulnerable and this way the perpetrator has 95 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 3: no way of getting to your weapon. 96 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: Now, you did something brilliant when you moved into anti 97 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: crime working plane clothes. 98 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: You drove a cab. 99 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 3: We drove a lot of vehicles, but we were driving 100 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 3: a cab. We drove milk trucks, we used corn d trucks, 101 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 3: We took very unsuspecting vehicles out of the impound. We 102 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,919 Speaker 3: had a large array of vehicles we could use, plus 103 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 3: our own vehicles were authorized. 104 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 1: Well, I was getting to that because the thing about 105 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: the cab that I thought was just so genius. You 106 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: want to talk about blending in. I mean, nobody would 107 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 1: look at you twice, not even a tourist, not a 108 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: local nobody. 109 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 3: Well, that's why we use those kind of vehicles because 110 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 3: the unmarked apartment cause assigned to each precinct. After a while, 111 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 3: they get to be known, you know. So we had 112 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 3: we were lucky in those years to have access to 113 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 3: a lot of vehicles, and we really used vehicles that 114 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 3: were definitely blended in. I even at one point and 115 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 3: when I was a detective later on, I even used 116 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 3: my Holiy Davison motorcycle a couple of times. You know 117 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 3: it just you know, we just really want to blend 118 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 3: in and become part of the scenery so you could 119 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 3: see a crime in progress. That was our purpose, so 120 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 3: for obvious reasons. First we could interrupt the crime and 121 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 3: we have better witnesses and a victim, and we could 122 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 3: have a better chance of testifying better and putting a 123 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 3: perpetrator away for a longer time. 124 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: And you're right about the undercover cars being known on 125 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: the street pretty quick. My agency, we dropped a Bate 126 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: car once we thought it looked great. We thought they 127 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: were going to come and try to steal the car 128 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: and we're going to be able to catch them. They 129 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: took pictures of it and put it on social media. 130 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 3: Well they couldn't do that to us. His phones weren't 131 00:07:55,280 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 3: invented yet, right, I mean, well the technology that would 132 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:01,239 Speaker 3: be a problem. 133 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, word got out quick. 134 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 3: But we didn't even have cell phones yet or beepers, 135 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 3: computer is we had nothing back then. You only had 136 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 3: your gun, your nightstick, and your wits and. 137 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 2: Your wits right on. Now you talked about sometimes when 138 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 2: all the fool cars were taken, y'all might have to 139 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: use your own vehicle. 140 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, we always had our own vehicles registered for use 141 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 3: with the police department. They would authorize it if you 142 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 3: submitted the right paperwork, and that was another way of blending. 143 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: And also, well there was one night your partner y'all 144 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: took his VW bug and y'all were just patrolling. But 145 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: y'all got to call out and you were closer than 146 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: anybody else. 147 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 3: What happened there, Well, I was in court that day 148 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 3: and this other office of cal Unga he was in 149 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 3: court that day, and we got back early and we 150 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 3: were in the same unit, but we weren't direct partners. 151 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: But since we were both back at approximately the same time, 152 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 3: the boss at the time, the supervisor, put us together 153 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 3: and said, you work as a unit. So we went 154 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 3: out and we got this call as you said it 155 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 3: was a burglary in progress call, and we got there first. 156 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 3: We answered as we were going to back up the 157 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 3: uniform offices, and we got there first, and as we 158 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 3: were getting there, the call change from a burglary to 159 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 3: a girl calling for help. So now this is more 160 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 3: like a home invasion type of thing, or a burglary. 161 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 3: That a person is home makes it a little more serious. 162 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 3: So we get up there. It was a walk up. 163 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 3: We get up to the top floor and we saw 164 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 3: the door broken into and we hear a girl screaming inside. 165 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 3: So it was two o'clock in the afternoon, and we 166 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 3: proceeded into the apartment and it was pitch black. They 167 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 3: had curtains and call board and blankets covering windows and everything. 168 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 3: Couldn't see anything, even though it was two o'clock in 169 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 3: the afternoon and sunny out. So we proceed into the 170 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 3: apartment and we couldn't see our way, but we heard 171 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 3: the girl screaming from the rear, so we started proceeding 172 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 3: that way, and right when we got near the doorway, 173 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 3: it was like a living room, then a hallway and 174 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 3: a bedroom off to the right, which we later learned 175 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 3: a perpetrator male perpetrator jumped out of the back room, 176 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 3: was approximately three feet away from us and open fire 177 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 3: in this hallway, directly at us. My partner got hit 178 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 3: right away, and we were turning fire, and I see 179 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 3: my partner going down, and I see all the motor 180 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 3: flashes in front of me. We were shoulder and shoulder, 181 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 3: but the grace of God, I didn't get hit, and 182 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 3: I returned fire, and then the perpetrator ran into me, 183 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: and I still had one round left, and out of 184 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 3: the sixth round we had revolvers then and I fired 185 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 3: my last round. My gun pressed against him, killing him 186 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 3: right there, and then I ran to my pondners a 187 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 3: He was bleeding very bad, and by then the apartment 188 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 3: was being flooded my officers who were responding from their 189 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 3: first job. And I picked up the radio because my 190 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 3: pondner had it, and I called in an officer shot 191 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 3: ten thirteen, which means we have a problem, we need 192 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 3: help immediately, and I added that my pond was shot. 193 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 3: So the response was tremendous and we couldn't even wait 194 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 3: for an ambulance. We lifted and up, carried him down 195 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 3: the stairs, got him into a radio car, and they 196 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 3: erased him to the hospital. There was so many radio 197 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 3: cars on the scene in the Sall Street that when 198 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 3: they got him into the car, we couldn't get out. 199 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 3: I wasn't in the car. I had to stay on 200 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 3: the scene because bosses were responding and I had explained 201 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 3: to you know, supervisor, is what occurred, and they had 202 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 3: a jump into cars to push him out of their way. Meanwhile, 203 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 3: they were notifying highway patrol units to block every intersection 204 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 3: so the radio car could race through and get him 205 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 3: to the hospital, which saved his life because you know 206 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 3: me and moments he was losing so much blood. And 207 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 3: during the surgery he he was hit six times. Seven times. 208 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 3: Two were ricochets, one in his arm and one in 209 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 3: his back that were pulled out easy with tweezers because 210 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 3: of the ricochetes in this hallway. But he took five 211 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 3: direct hits and one was in the sack that holds 212 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 3: fluid under the heart. And he took seventy two pints 213 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 3: of blood in three hours, which was a medical record 214 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 3: at the time. 215 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 2: Right, And where did all that blood come from? 216 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 3: It was donated by the hospital. Had some blood on hand. 217 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 3: But when any time a police officer gets shot, some 218 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 3: hundreds and hundreds of officers respond to the hospital, and 219 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 3: they were all willing to eate blood immediately. Absolutely in 220 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 3: these in these cases back in the seventies and eighties, 221 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 3: even doctors and nurses would give blood, but officers would 222 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 3: line up. They couldn't even get a little blood. That 223 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 3: officers are. 224 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: Willing to give, And that, to me is such a 225 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: powerful part of the story because not only did all 226 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: of y'all show up, you just started rolling up your 227 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: sleeves whatever he needed. 228 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 3: Absolutely that still occurs today. You know, the camaraderie is tremendous. 229 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 3: And I can't really speak for other departments, but I'm 230 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 3: sure it's like that there too. I only worked in 231 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 3: the NYPD, but it's always been like that. You know, 232 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 3: every every month and year, all the time, you know, 233 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 3: go forbid any officer or a detective get shot. There's 234 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 3: hundreds and literally hundreds, because you know, the New York 235 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 3: City Police Apartment, there's thousands of guys working at one time, 236 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 3: and it's like a thirty five thousand member force, So 237 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 3: you'll get hundreds of officers ready to donate at any time. 238 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 3: That's one of the things I love about the police 239 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 3: department and the whole. You know, police community is the 240 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 3: camaraderie that there is in good times and bad times. 241 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 2: Agreed. 242 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: You know, I have a sister that's a Level one 243 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: trauma nurse at our largest hospital in Atlanta. But you 244 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: know that's something she always comments own if an officer 245 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: is shot the line of duty or injured, how many 246 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: police officers just converge on the hospital. 247 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, not only police officers, but we get you know, 248 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 3: other departments and agencies also, if there's any FEDS working 249 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 3: there or well now Homeland Security and Corrections and housing 250 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 3: and transit and every agency, they all respond. 251 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: In this incident, I tell you something that kind of 252 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: was wonderful, and it also kind of bothered me just 253 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: a little bit that here you're Russian. To save your 254 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: friend's life, y'all, don't even wait for an ambulance. 255 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 2: You have to stay on the scene. But as soon 256 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 2: as your cut loose, you head straight to the hospital. 257 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 2: That's right. 258 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: But somebody stops you because they want you to talk 259 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: to the media. 260 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 2: Who stopped you? 261 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 3: Well, I was in the hospital already, but then the 262 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 3: bosses said that the mayor in New York wanted to 263 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 3: speak to me because they've going to hold a press 264 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 3: conference in the hospital at the time. It was May 265 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 3: and Lindsay and they flew him by police helicopter and 266 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 3: they landed on the street outside the hospital and he 267 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 3: came up and spoke to me. Wanted to see how 268 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 3: I was and how my partner was, and he was 269 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 3: very sincere and asked if he could help and anything. 270 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 3: I just wanted to know how my partner was, and 271 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 3: he sent somebody to find out and he was very concerned. 272 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 2: How did you do I mean, was that your first 273 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 2: press conference? I know you gave. 274 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 3: First conference, but it was the second time I was 275 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 3: involved in a shooting. I that was the first time 276 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 3: I had to kill a perpetrator in the line of duty. 277 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 3: I went on to kill three more, but I shot 278 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 3: the guy before that, and I shot several guys after that. 279 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 3: You know, I was involved in fifteen shootings, thirteen of 280 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 3: them with perpetrators. Two I had to shoot attack dogs 281 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 3: at the time. But I wound up shooting eight people, 282 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 3: killing four of them in the line of duty. It's 283 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 3: not something you plan on. These are things that happened 284 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 3: in the flash of a second. And also the other 285 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 3: side of that coin, if I wasn't justified in doing that, 286 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 3: I'd be arrested. They investigated very thoroughly. And the other 287 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 3: side of the coin is that you're if you're taking 288 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 3: a life, you're definitely saving at least one life, you know, 289 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 3: either your own or your partners or civilians. But sometimes 290 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 3: these are actions that you have to take. These are 291 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 3: actions you're trained for and you're supposed to be ready 292 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 3: for while you're working, and you never know when it's 293 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 3: going to occur. And most of the time it's always 294 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 3: the perpetrator decides this, not the officer. It's their reaction. 295 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 3: It's their their actions that cause our reactions. You know, 296 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 3: if the guys, if I tell someone they're under arrest 297 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 3: and they go peacefully, they get coughed and processed. But 298 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 3: if they decide to fight me, I have to fight back. 299 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 3: If they try to stab me or shoot me, I 300 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 3: have to use deadly physical force to save myself or 301 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 3: my partner. It's really there. They make the decisions, we 302 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 3: only react. 303 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 2: Do you still carry the six shot? 304 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 3: Cold? Don't carry revolvers? Always a cult six shot, you know, 305 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 3: because the Yes and the Smith and Wessons are a 306 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 3: five shot. You know, it's the same frame, but you 307 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 3: got an extra shot. I never understood why somebody always 308 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 3: got the smith the Wessons, so I always went with 309 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 3: the colts that have the extra round. 310 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think of you every time I 311 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: hear somebody talk about it, you know, an ankle holster, 312 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,719 Speaker 1: because you know the old saying you're never off duty. 313 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 1: Well you proved that with all the arrest that you 314 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: made off duty. But I'm gonna tell you you're never retired. 315 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: Tell everybody you stop to stab in twenty years. 316 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 3: Ago, Yes, I did on the street. I was in 317 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 3: Manhattan and I saw a commotion across the street. I 318 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 3: go over and the guy was stabbing a guy, and 319 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 3: I pulled my weapon and stop them from killing the guy. 320 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 2: I mean, that's unbelievable. 321 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 3: Well, I would still take action to help somebody, not 322 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 3: like kind of a minor thing, but if it was 323 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 3: someone's life, I would definitely step in. You know, I 324 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 3: guess you know just built that way, or a train 325 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 3: that way, or the mindset that way that you know, 326 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 3: I couldn't let somebody, an innocent victim, get hurt if 327 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 3: I could prevent it or stop it from getting worse. 328 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: And you know, when you talk about legends, you give 329 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 1: some tricks of the trade, and you talk about when 330 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: you're taking cover behind a car, what should you always 331 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: make sure? 332 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 3: Well, if you can, the best thing to do is 333 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 3: go behind the wheel, because we had incidents in the 334 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 3: New York City Police Department where perpetrators fired under the car. 335 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 3: It with ricochet and hit offices in the ankles. You 336 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 3: know the BLA, which was the Black Black Liberation Army 337 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 3: back in the seventies. A couple of times they sprayed 338 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 3: machine gun fire on the cause. So we learned from 339 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 3: these experiences to try to get behind the wheel when 340 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 3: you go behind the car, because the wheel protect your 341 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 3: ankles and your feed. YEP. 342 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 2: I just want rookies to hear it. I want it 343 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 2: out there so they're aware. 344 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 3: Another thing I learned. I learned that when you see 345 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 3: on TV and in the movies all the time, offices 346 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 3: go into a a darkened area with a flashlight and 347 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 3: they hold it out in front of their gun. You know. 348 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 3: I never really understood that because I had an incident 349 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 3: where I went into a dark building by myself once 350 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 3: because I was with two other partners and we saw 351 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 3: three guys on the street and they looked suspicious and 352 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 3: everything and my partners. We got out of the car 353 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 3: and all three took off in different directions. So each 354 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 3: of my partners went after one guy. I went after another. 355 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 3: And my guy ran into a building right and I 356 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 3: was going in the building, and I had my flashlight 357 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 3: out to my left, but I had my arm extended, 358 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 3: not like you see in the movies, under the gun 359 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 3: in front of you. The guy fired at the flashlight, 360 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 3: and I heard the bullet whizz by me, but he 361 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 3: was aiming at the light. I saw the muzzle flash. 362 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 3: I fired at the muzzle flash and hit him, you know, 363 00:20:56,680 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 3: but he got away. Believe it or not, but be came. 364 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 3: The emergency service units responded. They lit up the place 365 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 3: like it was two o'clock on the sunny August day. 366 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 3: And when I shot him, there was a trail of 367 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 3: blood leading out, and we found the gun. He had 368 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 3: spent round and the gun was on the floor. But 369 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 3: he got away. Somehow. We never caught that guy. But 370 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 3: that was another trick, you know, with the gun extended out, 371 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 3: not under your gun in front of you. But I 372 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 3: think that saved my life. 373 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: You know, your book shows a side of you that 374 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: is not expected. With all the arrest and shootouts and 375 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 1: rapes and robberies and death that you have witnessed. Detective, 376 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: you are compassionate, You're Karen, you value life, and you're funny. 377 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 3: That's pretty fun. 378 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 2: But okay, yeah it's true. And I just want everybody 379 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 2: to know. 380 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 3: I just try my best, just like any other officer 381 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,520 Speaker 3: of offices out there, trying to do the right thing. 382 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 3: And I think they believe in the same way I do. 383 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 2: Agreed. 384 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 1: But the name of the book for everybody is Street Warrior, 385 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: the true story of NYPD's most decorated detective and the 386 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 1: era that created him. And in that book, when you're 387 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: talking about situational awareness, and you know, you give lots 388 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 1: of great examples, you tell lots of stories, but you 389 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: did not get out of this thing without injury yourself. 390 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: You have been stabbed, you have broken your hand twice, 391 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: You've had a fractured skull, you got smashed over the 392 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: head with a tire iron. 393 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's these things come with the territory. You know, 394 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 3: if you're going to be active, you're going to you know, 395 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 3: run into all course old types of things over the 396 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 3: course of the years. And the ironic thing about my 397 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 3: injuries last one, I broke twenty three bones. I shatted 398 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 3: my right hip, and I broke my pelvic left, right, 399 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 3: and upper and lower not counting things. I caught in 400 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 3: the hospital, wound up in the hospital for three months. 401 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 3: And the ironic thing about that was it was an accident, 402 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 3: but it was caused by the police department. I got hit. 403 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 3: I was in an unmarked car and I got hit 404 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 3: by a police car going to the same emergency. Oh gosh, 405 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 3: that was a real twist that ended my career. At 406 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 3: the time, I just got back from a motorcycle trip. 407 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 3: Because I used to do most of the driving in 408 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 3: the police car in the unmarked cars too, and because 409 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 3: I enjoyed driving. But I just got back from a 410 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 3: motorcycle trip in Virginia Beach. From Virginia Beach, and I 411 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,399 Speaker 3: was still like vibrating and stuff. So I told my 412 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 3: partner to drive, not that it was his fault, but 413 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 3: this is what happened, and we got a t bone 414 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 3: that I was in the passenger seat, and that ended 415 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 3: my career. You know, all the perpetrators that I faced 416 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 3: and fought and shot it out with, I wound up 417 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 3: getting hurt. You know, police crashed my police. 418 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: I want to talk about the most gangster thing you did. 419 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: And if you want me to cut this part, I'll 420 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: cut it. But it's the truth, y'all. 421 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: Listen to me. 422 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: At one time, the good detective here was dating eight 423 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: women at a time. 424 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 3: And it was seven. 425 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 2: Okay, it was seven. 426 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: And he gets hurt and he gets he's unconscious when 427 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: he comes to, all seven women are surrounding his bed 428 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: and tell him what you did. 429 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 3: I just made like I passed out again. I just 430 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 3: made like I passed out from the drums I was on. 431 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: I love that. 432 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 2: I love that. It makes me laugh. 433 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh every time I think about it. Just 434 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: the scene and you're again, even though you were on 435 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: some painkiller. 436 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 2: The quick thinking. Oh I'm passed out again. That was 437 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: quick thinking. Now. Is there any story. 438 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: That you want to tell that I have not talked 439 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: about or even new to ashk you. 440 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 3: Maybe I'll tell you. One time I was out on 441 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 3: patrol with my partner and we ran into what they 442 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 3: call a purse snatch, where a guy snatches a girl's 443 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 3: bag or a woman's bag runs away. 444 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 2: Uh. 445 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 3: It's on the border sometimes of a robbery or a 446 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 3: grand loss. It depending if she struggled and he fought 447 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 3: with her, but anyway we saw it, we chased the guy. 448 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 3: We caught the guy and locked him up, and I 449 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 3: was going to process the arrest and my partner went 450 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 3: home because it ran into the overtime. So it was 451 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 3: my arrest. So while I'm processing this, a CI of 452 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 3: mine comes in, a confidential informer, right, and he tells 453 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 3: me about there's a guy, bad guy in the neighborhood 454 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 3: and he's selling guns, and he told him he wanted 455 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 3: to sell him a gun. So I got this prisoner 456 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 3: and I leave him in the cell and I tell 457 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,959 Speaker 3: my supervisor the story. I said, I got a good 458 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 3: CI here, which is a confidential informer, you know, and 459 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 3: he says he's got a gun deal going down. So 460 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 3: we want to make this arrest. So the boss says, 461 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 3: I'll work with you, so I said, okay. So we 462 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 3: set up a whole thing with this guy, and he's 463 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 3: supposed to meet the guy on at a building on 464 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,719 Speaker 3: a roof. So we tell him, you know, we give 465 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 3: him buy money, and we tell him we're going to 466 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 3: go up down the block because all these roofs are connected. 467 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 3: So we tell him we'll go up on a roof 468 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 3: down the block, and we'll keep you under observation, and 469 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 3: you get the guy. You go up there and you 470 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 3: buy the and when it's in your hands, because even 471 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 3: though he's a CI, we trust him more than the perpetrator. 472 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 3: So once the gun's in his hands, so it's safe, 473 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,959 Speaker 3: and now we'll move in and make the arrest. So 474 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 3: we get into position. He goes and meets the guy. 475 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 3: He goes up on the roof right to meet the guy, 476 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 3: and now the scenario changes. The first thing we notice 477 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 3: is that there's not one perpetrator but two. Right, he 478 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 3: meets two guys up there. The next thing we notice 479 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 3: that it's not going to be a handgun. It was 480 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 3: a hunting rifle, a thirty yard six, a long, long, right, 481 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 3: So we still think we're going to stick to the plan. Right, 482 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 3: we'll see the gun change hands, and when the CI 483 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 3: gets it, we'll come running out. We'll jump across these roofs. 484 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 3: They're all connected. You just got to jump over something 485 00:27:54,720 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 3: that's about two maybe three feet high that you know, 486 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 3: divides the roofs. Right. So then all of a sudden, 487 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 3: the whole scenario changes. The guy perpetrator, who wants to 488 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 3: sell him the gun, decides He wants to show him 489 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 3: that the gun is operable, so he leans over the 490 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 3: roof and starts sniping at the public. 491 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 2: Oh god, so now all. 492 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 3: The plans are out the window, and me and my partner, 493 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 3: the supervisor, we both jump up, right, we jump up. 494 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 3: We start got the guns out. We start running towards 495 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 3: the guy screaming police freeze right, and the guy turns, 496 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 3: puts the gun on us and fires, so that we 497 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 3: start firing, and we hit the guy. I hit the 498 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 3: guy twice and he goes down. He drops the gun 499 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 3: that SI hits the ground. But the other guy, the 500 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 3: second perpetrator, he runs behind like a chimney, like a 501 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 3: poarapit on the roof. Calls a kiosk or something. It 502 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 3: looks like a chimny me and he hides behind there. 503 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 3: We can't see him. So we've both grown up. The 504 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 3: guy shot on the floor. The sea Eye's laying on 505 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 3: the floor, and I start to I just I ran 506 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 3: out of bullets on that sick shot. Pull out another gun, right, 507 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 3: and I start going around this chimney to look for 508 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 3: this perpetrator. And right when I get around the chimney, 509 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 3: the guy has a knife raised to stab me like 510 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 3: he has it in a downward motion above his head 511 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 3: to come down and stab me. I feel my finger 512 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 3: tightening on the trigger, and before I can pull the trigger, 513 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 3: and this is a fraction of a second, I hear 514 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 3: a shot, but I know I didn't pull the trigger. 515 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 3: Winds up. My partner went around the other side and 516 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 3: shot the guy in the back when he saw he 517 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 3: was going to stab me. Right So the guy falls 518 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 3: down and the boss says, get the gun, and get 519 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 3: the gun. So I start to cross the path of 520 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 3: the guy that my partner just shot, and the guy 521 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 3: starts to leap back up the knife and I turned 522 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 3: and shoot him in the stomach, killing him right there. 523 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 3: And then I run past them and retrieve the gun. 524 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 3: And that was a pretty wild story. Yeah, we didn't 525 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 3: expect two perpetrays. We didn't expect to shootout. I shot 526 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 3: one guy, killed another. 527 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Literally, I'm sitting there stunned, and this is. 528 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 3: All after my I'm in there with a you know, 529 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 3: with an arrest in the precinct story. 530 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, detective, I tell you what. 531 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 1: Thank you for your service, thank you for just who 532 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: you are, thank you for your willingness to come and 533 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: join us tonight and let everybody hear your stories. 534 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 3: My pleasure. Thank you for having me. 535 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: Oh, it is our pleasure and honor. Absolutely. It just 536 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: means the world to me and I appreciate you y'all. 537 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to end Zone seven that I always do 538 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: with a quote, the rush is worth a risk retired 539 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 1: Detective Ralph Freeman's back tattoo. 540 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 2: I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is Zone seven.