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Speaker 1: had a great Memorial Day weekend. Um. I saw the

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Speaker 1: And enough with the Memorial Day isn't like a day

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Speaker 1: Memorial Day to me. I don't care, Like it's cool

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Speaker 1: as long as people were not snowflakes. Yeah, as long

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Speaker 1: around Veterans Day and Memorial Day because of all these

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Speaker 1: which is to say that we had a very good

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Speaker 1: and photograph an air strip that had been recently built. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And they set off and on their way they were ambushed.

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00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: And as Captain Corn's UH told the story, cowboys sees

430
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: the b a r Brown. He had an automatic rifle

431
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: for the man who was carrying it. You know, fired

432
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 1: it from the hip, silenced the ambush and and set

433
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: the whole thing straight. And as they uh towards the border,

434
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 1: he took the camera from Capta corns Uh and apparently

435
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: picked out picked out the mintie wanted and went across

436
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: the frontier and came back with the photographs that were needed.

437
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: And you really have the impression that Cowboy was the

438
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: man running that operation, that he just took over. And

439
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: from what I saw of him, I believe that was possible. Yeah,

440
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he was the guy who understood the language,

441
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: the terrain, the culture, and Americans would kind of be

442
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: lost without that kind of local knowledge backing the MOP,

443
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: I would think. Jim Morris wrote an war story that

444
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: the madness of their six months deployment, where as he said,

445
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: you just spent two months getting your feet on the ground. No,

446
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 1: he's it's four months, and then two months of actually

447
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: doing something. I started figured it was probably too too

448
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: much getting ready in two months operating at full boar,

449
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: and there maybe too much thinking of you back at

450
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: your family in Okinawa, because most most of these men

451
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: were were married and their children, so they would think

452
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: of home. But but it was it was a crazy system.

453
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: Really even a year seemed seemed little. The c i A,

454
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: to its credit, just stick around for a while. I

455
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: think William Colby was in Tsigon three years. Uh, they

456
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: had a little more institutional memory. Then the army did

457
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: what ended up happening to Cowboy. I mean, right now

458
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: we're still talking about pretty early on in the in

459
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: the or um. Well, what happened after after Jim Morris

460
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: left um did he stayn continue to work with special forces?

461
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: He was he was working with several sides. Apparently I

462
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: didn't know about this at the time, but in August

463
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: sixty four there was uprising on Highlanders. Uh In Several

464
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: camps were overrun or she is seized by there there

465
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Speaker 1: by the strikers uh and in because some cases the

466
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: Vietnamese cadre were killed. Uh and in one case the

467
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: Americans were held hostage and Cowboys apparently was deeply involved

468
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: in all this though, and after it was over and

469
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: there was some compromise between the General and Saigon and

470
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: the the rebellious Highlanders, some some compromise offers were made,

471
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: and there was a meeting at Camp Holloway in in

472
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: play who. Camp Holloway was also where the Special Forces

473
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: B Team was located, and Uh Jerry uh Heckey, who

474
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: was a civilian anthropologists working for Rand Corporation and indirectly

475
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: for the Department of Defense, who had been in Vietnam

476
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: for years. I went to that meeting and he said

477
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: that the that Cowboy Philip Philip Uh was one of

478
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: the delicates there, and that the delicates wore Jackison ties,

479
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,719
Speaker 1: which which really amazed me. You know, I could easily

480
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: picture him in campies butt in the jack and tie

481
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: see in a bit of a stretch. And and one

482
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: of the few UH concessions that the Saigon government honored.

483
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: But the promises that they made was that Hylanders would

484
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: be allowed to become aspirants in in the Arvin the

485
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 1: Army of Suth Vietnam. UH an aspirant being a French

486
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: grade of sub lieutenant or cadet officer. Interesting and Cowboy

487
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: apparently became one of those. UH. But as the story

488
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: is only, he was never paid, which was always a

489
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: hazard if he were serving in the Vietnamese army. UH.

490
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: So he deserted and he went to the MIC Force

491
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: in a train and became an interpreter there. H And

492
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: what had happened to him after that, I'm not sure

493
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: by the time Jim Morris came back, and that would

494
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: be in sixties seven, Cowboy apparently had UH recruited his

495
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: own division, which sounds more like a regiment UH and

496
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: with the training center somewhere east of Bay to It

497
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: good towards the sea. And and and there's there's a

498
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: great sequence in in Jim Morris's war story about the

499
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: two of them getting into a cheap and heading out

500
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: to inspect this the Dan E Division. It's called of

501
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: commando paratroop, and Jim was very impressed by the soldiers there.

502
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: But when when they left the populated part of Bey

503
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: to It, UH images Uh racking a cartridge into the

504
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: chamber of his M sixteen and Cowboy looking over at

505
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: him and grinning, and the implication being that there's always

506
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: a possibility this is a set up and he's being

507
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: sold out to the North Vietnamese and the UH, we're

508
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: so professional, one of us could kill the other uh

509
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: and and not have no regrets. UH. In all of this,

510
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: you don't get it, really get a sense of awhereeness.

511
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: This this uh uh commando unit is located, but it

512
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: was somewhere somewhere east of Beamy to it and has

513
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: about three thousand men on board. Uh. And apparently Cowboy

514
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 1: rented rented out these battalions to anyone who needed them. I.

515
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if it included in the North Vietnamese,

516
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 1: but probably not, but there was always that possibility. And

517
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: he eventually got into so much trouble playing all sides,

518
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: uh the UH, the U S Army, perhaps the French intelligence,

519
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 1: perhaps the ner Vietnamese UH, that he became hunted by

520
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 1: his own side and Uh he in the end was

521
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: ambushed and it didn't didn't work out as easily it

522
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: never does. Apparently he was uh, it's going to be

523
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: taken down while he was at dinner H and I

524
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: see esca aped out the back and fled, fled out

525
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: to a Mike Force unit apparently who are Apparently most

526
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: of the men were his own soldiers, uh and scarved

527
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: up a lot of weaponry and two douce and a

528
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: half trucks and a three quarter ton truck to carry

529
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: the stuff off with. But it was it was eventually

530
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: captured by his own side by by the full Row

531
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: Highlander rebels and executed in January just before the tet

532
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: offensive and that that was that was the end of Cowboy.

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00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: It's pretty incredible. I mean, so he I mean, as

534
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: it says in the byeline of your book, I mean,

535
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: he basically did installed himself as a warlord and created

536
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: a mercenary army in South Vietnam. Jim Morris mentions that

537
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: he was told he when he went back, he wanted

538
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: of course the command and eight team, but as an

539
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: upcoming major, rising arising captain h he was stuck stuck

540
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: in the B team in play coup, and he was

541
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: told to open up a uh camp may have been

542
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: an abandoned camp near the Cambodian border, and he simply

543
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: asked Cowboy to produce the men, which Cowboy did, and

544
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: they were all, obviously, to a trained eye, experienced soldiers,

545
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: although they were wearing a loin cloths and cast cast

546
00:37:54,640 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: off uniforms. Uh. So that that may have been his fit.

547
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: And as the story was told, he, you know, he

548
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: was like an executive headhunter. He he charged uh three

549
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: months salary or something like this, your first three months

550
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: salary you rebated to Cowboy. He was an entrepreneurial minded person.

551
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: And of all of these apparently ten ten percent of

552
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: their salary of the of the Islanders and these strike

553
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: forces was supposed to go back to full rout to

554
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: support the their aspirations for independence. Uh. And he may

555
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: may have kept a lot of that back and UH

556
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: that may have been why they put the figure on

557
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: him at the end. That thought, I mean a fascinating story,

558
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: and I mean it seems like all too often, Um,

559
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: this is what ends up happening to our allies and

560
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: the people who help us out is Um, they end

561
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: up getting killed by their own people well or simply

562
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: left behind. Has happened to many of these full role fighters.

563
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: They kept on fighting after after the n and the

564
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: Highlanders were always badly treated by the Vietnamese. Uh. The

565
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: saying of Vietnam is that it's like a peasant carrying

566
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: two baskets of rice on a long, thin pole. One

567
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: basket is the Red River delta in the north, and

568
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 1: the other basket is the Makon River delta in the south,

569
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: and the pole is the shoreline of Vietnam, which is

570
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: where the ethnic Vietnamese settled. The Highlanders were the aboriginal inhabitants.

571
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: They were there for thousands of years. Uh. And we're

572
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: regarded as as savages. They were better treated by the

573
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: French and by the Americans, which is why they they

574
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: were so loyal to the foreigners as opposed to the

575
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: people in Saigon. And they're not Vietnamese. Of course, we're

576
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: no better or worse. Uh. Dave Nettle tells the story

577
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: of how is uh wife and daughter were treated in

578
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: April of nineteen when they north he has police or

579
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 1: now the Vietnamese police, Uh came to their home in

580
00:40:54,200 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: and beat our calm home to death and and injured

581
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: the daughter sufficiently that but she did recover in time

582
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: and came to the United States in time. But a

583
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: lot of the the fighters wound up in Cambodia as

584
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: recently as the nineties, and h were many were eventually

585
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: repatriots in the United States. Yeah, I mean that's something

586
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 1: um I should have asked Jim Morris, and I mean,

587
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: we'll have to have him back on again at some point.

588
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: But and some of the former Special Forces soldiers and

589
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: presumably others as well, played a pretty big role in UM,

590
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: you know, having some of these uh, the people who

591
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: helped us in Vietnam from the Central Highlands and helping

592
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: them immigrate to the United States, if I remember correctly,

593
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: a lot of Americans got got hooked on Vietnam. Uh.

594
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: You Morris of her one Mike byng in Mammy too.

595
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: It was another Huh. He was captured at ted. He

596
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: was a civilian, started out with the International Voluntary Service

597
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: and wound up working for us AID. He spent six

598
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: years in captivity, was flown out in ninety one of

599
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: the when they when the prisons were bought home. Uh.

600
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 1: Even when he was recovering, he went, he went went

601
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: back to Vietnam. Uh to work with him. Uh. Yeah,

602
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: they special special forces did or worked closely with bringing

603
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: those those refugees, the Montone Yard fighters back, uh after

604
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: twenty seven years of war. And so this is your

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Speaker 1: latest book, Daniel, Um, just for people who are interested

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607
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: became a soldier, a warlord, and one more casualty of

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Speaker 1: our war in Vietnam. Um. I we have a copy here.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna actually take this home and read it. UM.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry I haven't gotten to it before the interview. UM,

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Speaker 1: but this is really cool and I'm really glad that

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