Speaker 1: Forever. Look mad oh, I see you? Why why and
Speaker 1: look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, don
Speaker 1: lost culture. We have to just cut the tension a
Speaker 1: little bit. But when is a half an hour late?
Speaker 1: I it happens, It happens, not this late. What do
Speaker 1: you mean you've you've been you've ever been at half
Speaker 1: an hour later? Yes? You have? You absolutely, I have not. Well,
Speaker 1: if there were a way to pull up the receipt
Speaker 1: but there is no receipts. But unfortunately for you, I
Speaker 1: will we we've now the receipt for your lateness on
Speaker 1: this app is now is now on the pod and
Speaker 1: I'm looking over at the computer and I see the
Speaker 1: receipts forming usually usual. What happened today? My therapist kept
Speaker 1: me because not not for any like you know, crazy,
Speaker 1: crazy reason. We just had to talk about insurance stuff,
Speaker 1: the most boring reason in the world. And I'm so
Speaker 1: sorry to our gust. It couldn't even have been a
Speaker 1: good personal crisis. It wasn't. It was actually a great session,
Speaker 1: and I can talk about it. But first of all,
Speaker 1: I just have to say I was like already, like
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely and rush to get here because I was
Speaker 1: so excited for this episode. But then I was like,
Speaker 1: but then, this is the moment before I buzzed up
Speaker 1: the studio. I'm going to text from Matt in the
Speaker 1: last cultures group group text which has h p h
Speaker 1: P j um HP, m hp HP. If you're not
Speaker 1: on it, um HP, Tracy's on it. I'm just waiting.
Speaker 1: There's people on it. I'm waiting to be dragged. I
Speaker 1: get a text that goes, I mean from me, from you,
Speaker 1: because I mean half hours a long time. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: but yeah about insurance. If if it were reversed, I
Speaker 1: would be like, hey, just give it. Absolutely heard. No,
Speaker 1: that's the truly the funniest thing I ever heard, because
Speaker 1: I can literally bring a rest that you are the
Speaker 1: dumbest person in the car Ann Philbin episode of this podcast.
Speaker 1: I was I think fifteen maybe seventeen maybe eighteen minutes
Speaker 1: like and you for the first twenty five minutes of
Speaker 1: that episode where ice cold contrasts towards me. You were
Speaker 1: ice cold, like like like Emily Blunt in that film
Speaker 1: in Yes, you were Elsa the Great Great, which is
Speaker 1: actually rule of culture number forty nine. It's it's Elsa
Speaker 1: the Great. She's not the princess or the queen, she's
Speaker 1: the great great that makes her seem Russian. I don't
Speaker 1: like that. I don't like that either. Now, okay, so
Speaker 1: should I talk about therapy. Now we don't have to
Speaker 1: get well, we can, we can get into it, but
Speaker 1: I would like to basically post taste post taste. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I love her guest. I'm obsessed. I'm up.
Speaker 1: Whenever I see our guests, I was like, oh, thank god.
Speaker 1: Everyone else I've seen before today is and nobody. And
Speaker 1: then I see our guests and I'm like, thank god,
Speaker 1: there's a somebody, and she's somebody. She just finished directing
Speaker 1: a film I can't wait to get into. I can't
Speaker 1: wait to get and find out about the life of
Speaker 1: a filmmaker. The life of a filmmaker to someone who
Speaker 1: oversees the production, do you know how harder is to
Speaker 1: make a film? I think it's one of the hard truly,
Speaker 1: And I'm not even I'm not even making this like,
Speaker 1: you know, sarcastic, ironic. It's it has to be. It's
Speaker 1: the hardest thing you could possibly do. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of media about how harder is to make a film.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen the movie Nine? Yes, my husband
Speaker 1: makes movies. He leaves that kind of dream. You know what.
Speaker 1: I think. Our guest lives in a kind of dream,
Speaker 1: but in the best kind of dream. Yeah. And she's
Speaker 1: she's a Judy. Yeah, I love she's a Judy friendly
Speaker 1: from the jump. I'm telling you also great, I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey, so good. Don't think she started in
Speaker 1: many many cities, Brooklyn and Washington DC, Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: Our nation's capital, our nation's capital. And you have to
Speaker 1: admit that. And you have to admit that. I mean
Speaker 1: I I yes, I forgive you. Of course I forgot.
Speaker 1: I felt the victory, the animosity, the oh, the animosity.
Speaker 1: I would say this, I forgive. I never forget. It's
Speaker 1: actually real coaching number nine. I forgive, but I never forget.
Speaker 1: But I will never forget how much I love our guests.
Speaker 1: Our guest is unforgettable. So please welcome into your ears. Katie.
Speaker 1: Hello and daringly wearing a sundress. I'm not a sunny day.
Speaker 1: It felt like a little bit of false it didn't,
Speaker 1: you know what. Okay, today it was a day. We're
Speaker 1: walking around and I go, you forget we live on
Speaker 1: an island. Yeah, Manhattans and island number eleven. Manhattan is
Speaker 1: an island, and you're like, do you really see a seagull?
Speaker 1: And you're like what, And then you wait, we're on
Speaker 1: an island, right, The seagull still doesn't belong there, though.
Speaker 1: Where do you see a seagull in the city? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw a seagull in bed Star where I live.
Speaker 1: You gotta be a seagull from bed Star. And that's
Speaker 1: how you know the next film, well, your next film,
Speaker 1: that's how you know. Seagulls are so stupid. They shouldn't
Speaker 1: be there. A huge and they're big, they're so big,
Speaker 1: and I go float in the water somewhere. Have you
Speaker 1: heard about dan bird? No, So this is a new
Speaker 1: part of the culture. My mom was on the beach
Speaker 1: and she said I was. She texted me, I was
Speaker 1: eating a sandwich and then a seagull came up and
Speaker 1: stole my sandwich space exclamation point to spaces and then
Speaker 1: these words damn bird spelled d A M M damn.
Speaker 1: Remember that is like a beautiful, like ownership of her
Speaker 1: own language. I love it. So you might even say
Speaker 1: that the next time you see a bird that's not
Speaker 1: so great. You might even have to say damn bird,
Speaker 1: d B dam bird. Now you know what? Can I
Speaker 1: also say Matt and I had a nice time while
Speaker 1: you weren't here, and it was not there was not
Speaker 1: a I know, I'm not dropped. I'm not dropped, um,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like where is he? It's like bone
Speaker 1: will show up and shows up right now we're having
Speaker 1: our well were you guys? Actually this is a this
Speaker 1: is great. I don't think that's ever happened for it.
Speaker 1: Can you give me a peek into what that conversation was? Um?
Speaker 1: I recorded ads for this podcast, Yes, and I was
Speaker 1: sort of charging my phone. Whoa and Kitty Ruth Um
Speaker 1: offered me a pringle and I said, you go ahead. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a beautiful connection. Yeah. I love that you're wearing
Speaker 1: the hat. So you also came in like a sun hat? Yes,
Speaker 1: that on hat and then so Um, I have this
Speaker 1: beautiful pink sun hat that the top there's no top
Speaker 1: to it. It's sort of three thank you. And I
Speaker 1: actually got it the other week when I'm coming up
Speaker 1: the stairs of the subway and there's like a street stand.
Speaker 1: I'm headed to therapy and there's like a street stand
Speaker 1: and it's all I see like as I'm like walking up,
Speaker 1: is just this hat like hanging on a street stand
Speaker 1: and I was like kind of running late, but I
Speaker 1: had my wallet in my hand and it was like
Speaker 1: one of the most seamless things I've ever done. It's like,
Speaker 1: I see it, there's a little sign. It was like
Speaker 1: five dollars. I just pull out of five, grab it
Speaker 1: off the clip, hand it to the man, put it
Speaker 1: on my head, like choreographed to therapy, and my therapist goes,
Speaker 1: great hat. It's like and it's the most natural thing
Speaker 1: I've ever done. York is New York. That is New York.
Speaker 1: It was it was Yeah, I mean it was great hat.
Speaker 1: First first words that were said in therapy that session,
Speaker 1: and then always compliments my offits and well, so one
Speaker 1: thing we talk about in therapy is dressing and um
Speaker 1: base Yeah, yeah, I don't know therapy, and Bowen says
Speaker 1: he wants to share what happened in therapy. So it's
Speaker 1: interesting all I talk about in therapy. I wish I
Speaker 1: could talk about dressing. Um well, First of all, I
Speaker 1: want to say the reason I bring up a great
Speaker 1: hat is that my my therapist will never, ever, ever, ever,
Speaker 1: ever be the first to be the one to initiate
Speaker 1: the conversation. Ever, even just walking in Hello, Hello, silence
Speaker 1: from her until I say something interesting. And I can't
Speaker 1: be like you can't you can't try to like be
Speaker 1: any like conversational. You can't like you can't ease into
Speaker 1: you can't be like how are you? She should be
Speaker 1: like I'm okay. And then you have to be the
Speaker 1: one to bring up something I've never thought about. Um,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's very interesting. But today and therapy, it
Speaker 1: was about my needs being met because all I talked
Speaker 1: about in therapy is dating. So this, this this session
Speaker 1: was the last. Like the string of guys I've did
Speaker 1: in the last year, string has been cheese. That's how
Speaker 1: you know who we are. That's how you know cheese
Speaker 1: and together together and together we have a bunch of
Speaker 1: I was like, let me talk. I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like, um, what we landed on was that, like,
Speaker 1: like I have my needs need to be met. That's
Speaker 1: it because I've been in this I've been in this
Speaker 1: place where I'm like, let me take care of you,
Speaker 1: and it's it's never quite been reciprocated. Oh you are
Speaker 1: talking about in relationship, Yes, you cater to the other person, Yes,
Speaker 1: and why do you think that is? I'm now the therapist.
Speaker 1: You're not the therapist. I don't please. It's it's we
Speaker 1: haven't really drilled down into the why, but it's it's
Speaker 1: just that the awareness was the big like whoa step
Speaker 1: step one and I said, um, you know the last
Speaker 1: couple of guys I did. It's it's been me to
Speaker 1: I've been the one to be like, hey, let me
Speaker 1: like show you something cool, something you've been putting more
Speaker 1: than here, come comes come to this spot. I like
Speaker 1: to go come. You need them to show up at
Speaker 1: the that like halfway mark, Yes, I'm I'm sure paying
Speaker 1: them the whole way. And the thing that's tough is that, um,
Speaker 1: if you're anything like me or a people pleaser, and um,
Speaker 1: I can only go to speak for myself. But I
Speaker 1: do that a lot too, and I like I do
Speaker 1: like that. I like being like this is me, I'm
Speaker 1: showing you this stuff. I'm letting you in. But then
Speaker 1: you're halfway through the game and you're like, wait a second,
Speaker 1: if I just piggy, are you ride? And I'm just
Speaker 1: like taking you to what I like to do, and
Speaker 1: like I'm opening up my life to you. But is
Speaker 1: is it being reciprocated? Yes? Am I getting me fight
Speaker 1: back to your house? Right? And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: three for nine years and you haven't seen their home.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, you realize that they're living like really,
Speaker 1: you never knew before nine years and nine years in
Speaker 1: absolutely never even seen their homes. I've been dating this
Speaker 1: guy for like nine years now, and I think I'm
Speaker 1: going to go over to his place. We're hoping it
Speaker 1: works out. Are you seeing someone? I'm not. No, I'm
Speaker 1: still single. Do we love that? Love? I think we
Speaker 1: love that. We love that. Okay, here's the thing. Are
Speaker 1: the only one who calls me k A and love?
Speaker 1: I like it because it's such like a. It's like
Speaker 1: and it sounds like n right, and you know I'm
Speaker 1: gonna stop. I'm gonna stop. No one was thinking about
Speaker 1: now to be mad. I keep showing people the world
Speaker 1: the crazy rightfulest say kids like to have three names that,
Speaker 1: because I feel that must be very power. It rolls
Speaker 1: off the tongue for you that yeah, really, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. I I love it. But I will say
Speaker 1: um when I introduced myself, so I'll be like, hi,
Speaker 1: I'm Katie Ruth and then you'll go, I'm Matt Rogers,
Speaker 1: and I go, oh, you think I'm saying my full name?
Speaker 1: And I remember was being was I was being at
Speaker 1: a show, just being at a show, and they were
Speaker 1: like and tonight, like I have performances from Patrigan and
Speaker 1: Katie Ruth, Katie rood Man. I was like, okay, but
Speaker 1: but also like, who am I to be like say
Speaker 1: my last name, bitch? I don't know. I think that
Speaker 1: that's part of the part of the journey of getting
Speaker 1: your needs met. I'm sorry, excuse me. My name is
Speaker 1: Katie Ruth. As I've been here and I'm here and
Speaker 1: you must know and nine years, nine years. And also
Speaker 1: I want to find out where you live and go there. Yes,
Speaker 1: I feel it's my right. I don't need a key.
Speaker 1: I just want to tell me the address. Tell me
Speaker 1: the address. I want to see the honestly, okay. That
Speaker 1: is a point in a relationship, a new relationship. I
Speaker 1: feel like when you're having a little like Nertini with
Speaker 1: someone and then you're like, let me show you the
Speaker 1: Google street map of the house. Oh my god, I
Speaker 1: just did that with the guy. Such a moment. It's
Speaker 1: such a moment, you know what the thing is. But
Speaker 1: I didn't ask him to do this. He was just
Speaker 1: doing it. He showed, he showed, he asked me for
Speaker 1: my address that I grew up in, and then he
Speaker 1: looked at it. And then I was like, isn't that
Speaker 1: I'm scared for you. No, it wasn't like I can't
Speaker 1: believe he's doing this. He's doing what he's doing. No,
Speaker 1: it's such as And then like it's so funny because
Speaker 1: you just like do the three sixty and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's the car. My dad used to Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: that's it. Fine. Yeah, well it's weird too because I
Speaker 1: don't live there anymore. And so then I looked at
Speaker 1: it and also it's like you can go on Zillo here,
Speaker 1: been on z alone pictures at the inside of your
Speaker 1: old house. It's it's full. And then I got emotional
Speaker 1: because I was like, oh man, I love my old
Speaker 1: house that I grew up in so much. And then
Speaker 1: this is the gay You can see how much it
Speaker 1: like goes for if it were being sold, and I
Speaker 1: was like, that's crazy to think about your home because
Speaker 1: you always just think of it as your home and
Speaker 1: not as something to be bought and sold or having value.
Speaker 1: But it's just weird. And then I was like, looking especially,
Speaker 1: I think if you're especially like I grew up in
Speaker 1: the same home from like four till we moved out
Speaker 1: of it like three or four years ago. I wasn't
Speaker 1: moving around, you know, So then that way, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: this is just where I live. But then I wonder
Speaker 1: if you're someone who moves around a whole lot, you
Speaker 1: are just thinking of houses as like commodities, cash cash.
Speaker 1: It's all about cash cash, because I want to buy
Speaker 1: a house. Yeah, I've been watching the show Dead to
Speaker 1: Me and she's like a real estate. Um, that's what
Speaker 1: it is, a three name an estate. Actually that's Perfomantis
Speaker 1: from Katie's and real estate, but form and performances. It's
Speaker 1: like it's performances from and real estate. That is a band.
Speaker 1: I feel like she is it really yes, real culture? Um,
Speaker 1: so basically, um wait what was I saying? So she
Speaker 1: plays a real estate Asian on the show, and something
Speaker 1: that her character will do is she'll just knock on
Speaker 1: doors of houses that she'll like and she'll be like,
Speaker 1: are you thinking of selling? And it's like that because
Speaker 1: also so like I'm in bed Sty and then that
Speaker 1: is a neighborhood that's getting like rapidly gentrified, and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people who have owned the homes there
Speaker 1: for a very long time. And then there's like they
Speaker 1: have signs on their door that's saying this home is
Speaker 1: not for sale. Don't ask because I think people like
Speaker 1: developers come up there like how much? Yeah, which is crazy.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine? No? I really can. I mean that's
Speaker 1: not something I ever knew to be true. Crazy thing
Speaker 1: happened this morning. Okay, So, um, I woke up to
Speaker 1: someone knocking on my door. Really, I'll be like, I
Speaker 1: was awake, just like I was, um, And I look
Speaker 1: at the people and it's a cop and I opened
Speaker 1: the door. I have like the chain. I don't open
Speaker 1: all the way because I'm like what does this cop want? Um?
Speaker 1: And he's like did the woman across from you move out?
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, someone just moved in there
Speaker 1: this weekend. I also just moved in two weeks ago
Speaker 1: to this, so like, um, thank you, wow moment for me. Um.
Speaker 1: And they're like I was like, well someone just moved in,
Speaker 1: So I'm guessing someone just moved out, and then they're like,
Speaker 1: have you seen this man? It was a photo and
Speaker 1: I was like no, and then he was like okay,
Speaker 1: well thank you. And I was like, wait, is he
Speaker 1: dangerous like you? Yeah? And then they were like, so
Speaker 1: he's the nephew of the woman who used to live
Speaker 1: here and he is considered armed and dangerous and would
Speaker 1: sometimes come here, and they were just gonna leave, and
Speaker 1: I was like, but he's like, I guess the aunt
Speaker 1: doesn't live here anymore. And I was like, well, I like,
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I don't know. And then they're like,
Speaker 1: we'll call the cops if you see him. And it's
Speaker 1: truly the most like it first grainy as photo like
Speaker 1: security footage tangle of this West African man, and I'm
Speaker 1: just like no, like, first of all, like this is
Speaker 1: a try. You're trying to be like, call the cops
Speaker 1: if you I'm like, I can't see what this man
Speaker 1: looks like. I can't just call the cops on like
Speaker 1: any West African man. I see. That's crazy. And I
Speaker 1: just was like, no, goodbye, dangerous. It's so crazy that
Speaker 1: they were just going to come drop that information and
Speaker 1: then leave. And then and then you had to ask
Speaker 1: and should I be worried? Is he dangerous? And they
Speaker 1: not know. I guess she's not here. I wouldn't know that.
Speaker 1: It was such a it was a moment alone. Know.
Speaker 1: My roommate was there. My roommate was like, what was that?
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, maybe you should go see
Speaker 1: this guy's photo, even though it's a terrible photo. And
Speaker 1: she looked at it also, she like chased them out
Speaker 1: the street and was like, chase them out and I
Speaker 1: was like, let me see the photo because we're like
Speaker 1: but then like it's a it was a terrible photo,
Speaker 1: like print it out on compute. It was like an
Speaker 1: email print like mad head shot. Wait, actually not going
Speaker 1: to say the word head shot. Her eyes opened so wide,
Speaker 1: split her head, you know. Okay, I turned into like
Speaker 1: a little parakeet. Okay. One time I had to return
Speaker 1: some film equipment to the UCB Training Center and I
Speaker 1: had to go in through the freight entrance. There's a
Speaker 1: security guy down there, and that is where they have
Speaker 1: um all the people not allowed to enter the building
Speaker 1: because they're like they might be trying to get in
Speaker 1: through the back entrance and not through their I d
Speaker 1: with the front entrance and so it's like for the people, yeah,
Speaker 1: and there was their head shots, Oh my god, a
Speaker 1: bunch of like ub shot just literally like it was
Speaker 1: other floors. It's like Facebook profile photo. And then for
Speaker 1: UCB it's like there was one guy with a clown
Speaker 1: nose on and it sayn't do because but it's like yeah,
Speaker 1: because these people have given you to their head shots
Speaker 1: with them. They're like, do you have a photo? They're like, actually,
Speaker 1: we have their photo of their resume. Yeah. I haddle
Speaker 1: this film equipment and anyone I didn't know. I didn't
Speaker 1: recognize anyone, but I would have. I wish I had
Speaker 1: taken a photo of the equipment in my hand. And
Speaker 1: I was like going to the freight elevator, and I
Speaker 1: was just like, this is the funniest thing I've ever seen,
Speaker 1: just like a bunch of head shots on the undesirable,
Speaker 1: and that it was so funny. The culture is the
Speaker 1: funniest thing. In think it's absolutely funny what people think
Speaker 1: is a good picture of them when they post on Facebook,
Speaker 1: like which one of these five and all of them
Speaker 1: with the same like half smirk. And if you also
Speaker 1: like my head shots, shelf life is six months. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but not even that you like change your look, it's
Speaker 1: that you look back on it and you're just like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not that person. Um, I should apologize to people
Speaker 1: from my past. And the worst is like, don't I
Speaker 1: haven't updated my website in such a long time and
Speaker 1: at the time, like I put all my old head
Speaker 1: drops up there. So now whenever anything happens or it's
Speaker 1: like people find a picture of me to from a
Speaker 1: first show, it's always these like insane pictures of me
Speaker 1: with like a goatee and like like like have you
Speaker 1: changed your website at all? Glow in the dark green?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so bad. You have to take
Speaker 1: it down. I took my dot. You have to take
Speaker 1: yours down, your website down. Yeah. I was just like,
Speaker 1: or should I just take it all down and just
Speaker 1: put like tour dates up? Sure? She's honestly, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: do one picture because right now it's like bio with
Speaker 1: all these like insane bad jokes. Oh no, is it
Speaker 1: really embarrassing? I don't know, no, no, no no, no, no no,
Speaker 1: I haven't I don't remember the bad jokes. But it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but that is actually cut out. It's terrible, it is.
Speaker 1: But it's headshock culture and website culture. Oh god, kind
Speaker 1: of had the ugliest moment, like, yes, do you know
Speaker 1: I did this thing where I was looking through UM
Speaker 1: I downloaded my whole archive of my Facebook posts and
Speaker 1: like a ZIP file right in todition because I deleted
Speaker 1: it permanently. I did, like whatever, but I was looking
Speaker 1: for an old video of that. Matt and I are
Speaker 1: going to revitalize stay tuned, UM. But by the time
Speaker 1: this comes out, it's four nights. We're the original cast,
Speaker 1: original cast, and creative team behind the original locations and settings,
Speaker 1: original locations. UM. This is sort of related to that.
Speaker 1: Last night, I was having dinner with a friend who
Speaker 1: grew up in UM Celebration. Florida is like one of
Speaker 1: those Disney towns and all the and there's a bunch
Speaker 1: of tourists that come there all the time. And she
Speaker 1: was only there for like three years, she said, UM,
Speaker 1: and one time she was riding her bike and fell
Speaker 1: off the bike and Taurus started taking and he thought
Speaker 1: it was like a joke character bit. Yeah, isn't that anyway?
Speaker 1: Did they shoot? I don't know. I think it's I
Speaker 1: think it was like, oh no, but it's like the
Speaker 1: whole there's like a main street. You can't see me, reader,
Speaker 1: but I'm like quoting, and it's like it's supposed to
Speaker 1: be like a little Disney town, but a lot of
Speaker 1: Disney employees lived there. Yes, yes, it's central, it's close,
Speaker 1: it's right there. It's kissing me like celebration. Yes, they're
Speaker 1: all right there. Well you've ventured outside of Orlando. Whenever
Speaker 1: you guys go there, there's one lobster place which is amazing,
Speaker 1: which is all you can eat lobster buffet. And I
Speaker 1: have gone there, and one time, famously, my dad said
Speaker 1: when we were there for like the third year and around,
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, it's almost worth it to
Speaker 1: just fly down here for this. And my dad said,
Speaker 1: it's almost worth it to fly down here just for this.
Speaker 1: And I remember, like literally it was like something that
Speaker 1: we all were like, you're right, like like without knowledge,
Speaker 1: just like should we What were you saying about the
Speaker 1: zip file you downloaded? Why? I've just been looking at
Speaker 1: like it saves it saves all your videos from like
Speaker 1: the plastic MacBook era. Do you do you know what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about? Front decent camera like pix related as fuck,
Speaker 1: and like god, I looked so crazy back then, and
Speaker 1: like what counted is like funny videos to put on
Speaker 1: your friend's walls. Back then, it was like, it's truly
Speaker 1: like this, this is an example, but I had to
Speaker 1: turn it off immediately. It was I. It was me
Speaker 1: and Henry Gamble being in Billy donwin is bed in
Speaker 1: college and being like, hey, Billy, we're in your bed,
Speaker 1: and that was that surely horrible. It's a gay joke.
Speaker 1: It's no, it's it's not even no, no, no, it
Speaker 1: wasn't evenose receipts. Actually he is mad that you're late.
Speaker 1: It's like you're so mad at me. I can feel
Speaker 1: like it was it was. It's it's just like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, this counted is like interesting humor behavior about behavior.
Speaker 1: You would just come like yeah, you would just come,
Speaker 1: and things being like miss you, like see you soon, yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's like we all had text messaging what were
Speaker 1: we doing doing or like last night was fun. Two
Speaker 1: years from now, we're gonna listen back to this and
Speaker 1: be like this is the most embarrassing conversation somehow. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. I think this actually is
Speaker 1: the coolest thing ever. I think we I think we're
Speaker 1: gonna have that moment with Facebook store. Her name is
Speaker 1: just like wow, that person is just talking to their
Speaker 1: camera and their husband is out of like four ft away,
Speaker 1: like just on his phone scrolling, and she's like, today's
Speaker 1: been crazy, and I'm just like it's I just I
Speaker 1: feel crazy for me a little bit addressing I've done
Speaker 1: this before, so I'm reading myself too, but addressing your
Speaker 1: phone and being like hey guys, anything, yes, and having
Speaker 1: to like a moat you won't believe, and it's like
Speaker 1: you're in a room by your sell why are you moaning? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like what's just yeah, Oh my god, I've done it.
Speaker 1: I did it one time to Capital Last by Hailee Steinfeld,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I hope people know this is
Speaker 1: like ironic in a joke because when you watch it,
Speaker 1: there's it doesn't it can tell you to this morning
Speaker 1: because last to night I got I smoked weed and
Speaker 1: I thought about starting a Twitch channel and I was
Speaker 1: like absolutely not. Yeah, but I might still do it,
Speaker 1: but absolutely not at this That's something I have no
Speaker 1: interest in, was Twitch. It's it's the gaming streaming where
Speaker 1: you're playing a game and like you have a webcam
Speaker 1: on you and you're just like that is what being
Speaker 1: a girlfriend is. Just like watching a guy play video games,
Speaker 1: that's actually a real culture. Twitch is what being a
Speaker 1: girlfriend is. Yes, yeah, absolutely, it's Oh god, anyway, did
Speaker 1: your ex boyfriend like to play video game? I've never
Speaker 1: dated a real game, which I think that your character, yeah,
Speaker 1: or like if the game the game in their own time. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: that that is a need of mine. Where like I'm
Speaker 1: not going to spend time with you and you're just
Speaker 1: staring at your just following down a little path trying
Speaker 1: to get a little treasure Chester. You know what's interesting
Speaker 1: is when you when you start seeing someone or you're
Speaker 1: hanging out with someone and like that you have like
Speaker 1: who they've presented to you and like the sort of
Speaker 1: peacocking dating thing. Um, and then the hidden interests start
Speaker 1: to come out, you know what I mean, Like those
Speaker 1: little things like like whenever like okay, I'll just be
Speaker 1: I'll just reveal this whenever I go on my YouTube. Um,
Speaker 1: like you ever click on YouTube and there's yeah, it
Speaker 1: is who you are, it's who you are the cross
Speaker 1: section of what you like and so like I didn't
Speaker 1: do this with anyone I was dating, but I did
Speaker 1: do it with Greta Titleman and Abe Shorts who I
Speaker 1: was living with, Like one time they saw my YouTube
Speaker 1: like landing page or whatever, and it was it was
Speaker 1: like it was like clips from the view and construction
Speaker 1: videos from theme parts of like roller coasters and favorite
Speaker 1: protractions that they are building, and I had to turn
Speaker 1: to them because the whole wives would be like, oh,
Speaker 1: like I love Housewives, Like that's who you're presented. That's
Speaker 1: like your son sign and this is your moon, your
Speaker 1: moon signed like YouTube and do you want to know
Speaker 1: what's been appearing lately? This is so humiliating. There's a
Speaker 1: scene from Glee. It's like Gwyneth Paltrow's last scene ever
Speaker 1: that she was on on Glee where she just sang
Speaker 1: Turning Tables by Adele And then there's a scene where
Speaker 1: she says goodbye to Matthew Morrison a k a. Will
Speaker 1: Schuster because she got a new job as a substitute teacher.
Speaker 1: The whole, the whole bit of her character was she's
Speaker 1: a sub so she's never around very long and she
Speaker 1: like goes and hops from school to school and subs
Speaker 1: and it's fun and changed people's lives like a carpetbagger,
Speaker 1: and so she has she realizes that it's going to
Speaker 1: get serious with Matthew Morrison, sings turning tables and then
Speaker 1: test to him in the hallway, I got a new
Speaker 1: job subbing somewhere else. I'm gonna be teaching Spanish in um,
Speaker 1: Cleveland isn't that great? And they have this I got
Speaker 1: a new job somewhere and you can tell it was
Speaker 1: a joke, like I'm gonna be teaching Spanish and Cleveland
Speaker 1: isn't that great, but Gwyneth Paltrow just deliver. It's very
Speaker 1: mad and matter of factly, and you're like, okay, we're
Speaker 1: moving on. But um, so she she says to him
Speaker 1: like he's like, are you having any having any feelings
Speaker 1: at all about leaving? And she's like, no, I'm a
Speaker 1: substitute teacher, this is my life and allergic to commitment.
Speaker 1: And then they have this beautiful moment where she says
Speaker 1: to him like, you're in love with someone else and
Speaker 1: it's okay, and I'm I'm leaving so you can go
Speaker 1: to live your truth. And then she movie star walks away,
Speaker 1: turns around and is like and just so you know,
Speaker 1: she's totally into you. Too, and then she turns away
Speaker 1: again and she gets a second movie star turnaround moment,
Speaker 1: which is Matthew Morrison goes, Holly, you come back and visit,
Speaker 1: and she asked this moment where she turns around, tears
Speaker 1: in her eyes. She looks stunning her her beautiful hair
Speaker 1: is like back. She's in this beautiful or just black dress,
Speaker 1: and she goes, I thought you'd never and then she
Speaker 1: literally walks away into the black shadows and she looks
Speaker 1: so stunning, and you're like movie star first of all.
Speaker 1: So because I watched that, I'm now getting like these
Speaker 1: scenes from the later seasons of the recommending I watched
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, get these out of here. Um
Speaker 1: I I have had I've been rewatching ten things I
Speaker 1: Hate about you because I'm writing an essay on this
Speaker 1: one scene. Or Heath Ledger he's dropping off cat and
Speaker 1: because she's just been drinking at the party. Remember, he
Speaker 1: goes like, I can't pretend, I can't do an accent
Speaker 1: at all. But he's like, no offense. I know everyone's
Speaker 1: crazy about your sister, but she's without, and that is
Speaker 1: stuck with me. She's without? Is that from Shakespeare? Is
Speaker 1: that from taming the true I don't know, and then
Speaker 1: she does this sort of also like her head spins
Speaker 1: around like a little owl and like her mouth parts
Speaker 1: and it's like and then kind of smiles like I
Speaker 1: might just fall and like she like, let's face sets.
Speaker 1: She didn't say anything, like the face is like I
Speaker 1: think I can fall in love with you. You get
Speaker 1: at my sister like it's without but I'm with with
Speaker 1: And it's literally like, um cemented my entire sexuality of
Speaker 1: love life that it's so but I've been writing about
Speaker 1: it's just been like watching all of these clamps and
Speaker 1: my whole thing right now is just like Heath Ledger
Speaker 1: like slow mode, like sand like rest in Peace videos
Speaker 1: and him looking hot and the song is like ever
Speaker 1: living you make me so make me a want and
Speaker 1: drop you started to get and exactly Ken Burns down.
Speaker 1: Face two is like waste and you're like, okay, but
Speaker 1: those you know what I'm talking about, those fan videos
Speaker 1: that like little Girls make that are like sexually videos
Speaker 1: you make me absolutely? What's not on your YouTube page
Speaker 1: when you go on the home page, um this um
Speaker 1: a lot of cooking videos. I follow these two YouTube chefs.
Speaker 1: One of them is this Rachel Ray knockoff named Laura
Speaker 1: Tally and she lives in Jersey. She might have voted
Speaker 1: for Trump. Um, but she's lovely. She like makes the
Speaker 1: most basic food in the world, and it all looks delicious,
Speaker 1: Like it's the most delicious beefs she's ever seen. No,
Speaker 1: she's she's better than Antony. And she has a lot.
Speaker 1: She has some charisma. It's developed every time you go
Speaker 1: back and watch her first videos. And she's just like
Speaker 1: so uncomfortable and so nervous and doesn't know what to
Speaker 1: do and doesn't know like where to look and like
Speaker 1: you know what to say and how to like fill
Speaker 1: in the silence. And now she's like very season and
Speaker 1: she's she's very compelling to watch. Um. Then do you cook? No,
Speaker 1: don't's not even done. I don't okay, I was gonna
Speaker 1: ask give you, like make the recipe. Sometimes I do,
Speaker 1: Like I've made her green got a salad. It's really good.
Speaker 1: I've made I've made her beefs too. It's delicious. Um.
Speaker 1: And then and lately it's been a SMR because Natalie
Speaker 1: Walker recommended. Natalie Walker for some reason, knows so much
Speaker 1: about a SMR. And I've been getting into it. And
Speaker 1: Queen of Serene. Everyone please check out Queen of Serene.
Speaker 1: Queen of Serrene, she lives. She's this like hippie, dippy
Speaker 1: lady in Texas who does amazing handwork, like hand like
Speaker 1: A big part of the SMR is like the visual component,
Speaker 1: which is like moving the hands. And she's she started
Speaker 1: out just on her face and now she's moved away
Speaker 1: to just your hands because she has she went through
Speaker 1: the surgery where it's made her gain weight. And she's
Speaker 1: very self conscious about being on camera and she's very
Speaker 1: honest about that and it's very like and like it
Speaker 1: just makes you like her and like she just does
Speaker 1: a lot of hand movements. And she has this video
Speaker 1: that I think is phenomenal. It's one hour of her
Speaker 1: she went but you will absolutely watch this, both of you.
Speaker 1: She she goes to a thrift store. She went to
Speaker 1: a thrift store and bought a DVD and a VHS
Speaker 1: player for five dollars. And this is part of the video. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's in the lead up to the video,
Speaker 1: she's telling you about all in SMRs and not going
Speaker 1: to do it, but she's all on a no. Well,
Speaker 1: she she's so there's there's soft spoken and there's a
Speaker 1: whispering a smar so whispering asmrow is actual literal whispering,
Speaker 1: but spoken. It's like, so today I went to It's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's the point that she so she so,
Speaker 1: she'll she narrates. It's it's a top, it's an overhead
Speaker 1: camera over a beds sheet, and it's her backdrop for
Speaker 1: putting these VHS tapes of Disney movies that she just
Speaker 1: bought at the thrift store. She goes, I got these
Speaker 1: eight for eight for one dollar, and then she goes
Speaker 1: and then and then she says, you can't beat that price,
Speaker 1: and it's the most soothing doing voice in the world. Sweet.
Speaker 1: It's just like there's got to be like a like
Speaker 1: an extreme coupon ing and a SMR crossover. There has
Speaker 1: to be. But like that is her life that she
Speaker 1: like she does like Korean beauty halls and like all
Speaker 1: the stuff where she just she taps her nails on
Speaker 1: like all these products, but she taps her nails on
Speaker 1: these v these vhs as of Disney movies and then
Speaker 1: she just talks through them. And it's the most like
Speaker 1: basic rude of entry, like assessment of all these iconic
Speaker 1: Disney movies where she's just like the Little Mermaid. Oh no,
Speaker 1: because here's the thing is, it's like, it really doesn't
Speaker 1: matter what you talk about as long as you're doing exactly,
Speaker 1: which is cool, it's coo, but it's is it a
Speaker 1: sexual thing for me? It's not for me. It's because
Speaker 1: here's something everyone. So it doesn't work. It doesn't do
Speaker 1: anything work. It just makes me uncomfortable. Speak up, speak up,
Speaker 1: speak up. I can't hear you. Um. But everyone I asked,
Speaker 1: they're like, it's not sexual for me, but for some
Speaker 1: people that is. But like I've never met someone who's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's sexual. I get off to it. Well I did.
Speaker 1: I did seek out at one point male a SMR.
Speaker 1: And there's just one guy who looks just like Chris
Speaker 1: Hemsworth who like his whole thing is he's a rude
Speaker 1: Englishman and he'll be like he does like rule, he'll
Speaker 1: do like she'll be like rude restaurant, rude restaurant page.
Speaker 1: I hate this and people people love that. I hate this.
Speaker 1: So that was like I kind of got off on
Speaker 1: that and didn't literally get off on it, like like
Speaker 1: all this is like a fun little like studio boyfriend experience.
Speaker 1: But Natalie, Natalie and I talked about this where she's like,
Speaker 1: I don't she and I don't get down with the
Speaker 1: young girls who do it because that is like that's
Speaker 1: crazy because that feels like other like men are using
Speaker 1: them for no. No, no, no no. And that's my
Speaker 1: problem with the whole thing is it's like I feel
Speaker 1: like some people are doing it for one reason, and
Speaker 1: then people are consuming it for a whole reason. Yes,
Speaker 1: and it's dark and it's like why are what's going on? Well,
Speaker 1: So the Queen of Serene, So Queen of Serene is
Speaker 1: like very this is the shitty word to say, and
Speaker 1: like I don't mean for this to sound prejorative because
Speaker 1: it's not. But she's wholesome, like there's no like sexual.
Speaker 1: I mean it sounds like she's going to a thrift
Speaker 1: store by a VHS like she does, and it's wild.
Speaker 1: She has a series of what she calls hospitality baskets
Speaker 1: where she's like she like she'll show you baskets to
Speaker 1: leave in her guest room and things that she puts
Speaker 1: in them, like snacks and like like like razors and
Speaker 1: like shaving cream and like the shampoos and like she'll
Speaker 1: be like, I'm whipping up my little I guess you
Speaker 1: could call it a little box. I put it up
Speaker 1: off my toilet like loose razors. This one's really filthy.
Speaker 1: I should throw it out. Oh this is a pair
Speaker 1: of tweezers that are brown on. This is my daughter
Speaker 1: is a bitical co and here's just some brown water
Speaker 1: in the corner. Did an emergency C section? I think
Speaker 1: that you should do like a parody a smore. I
Speaker 1: caount yeah, anyway, I think I think you too should
Speaker 1: just dip your toes and talk to Natalie's I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I am not surprised to hear that Edalie Walker likes
Speaker 1: SMR because she could do it good SMR. I think
Speaker 1: she's like she's she's from the theater, so she can
Speaker 1: hit all yea. Now, all this talk about VHS takes
Speaker 1: me back. And so what I want to do with
Speaker 1: Katie ruth as I want to take her back? To
Speaker 1: take her back? And I would like to ask Katie
Speaker 1: Worth Ashcraft our guests today on this episode of Lost Culture,
Speaker 1: is this what was the culture that made you say
Speaker 1: culture is for you? And you guys look really excited.
Speaker 1: Your mouths are open, and I know I'm just so
Speaker 1: excited to answer this question. I also, I told you guys,
Speaker 1: I just moved, and so I when I was packing
Speaker 1: and unpacking, which was like a truly a three week process,
Speaker 1: I listened to so much of your guys so much,
Speaker 1: and I've listened to a few episodes. I literally listened
Speaker 1: to like all of it. I got this email being like,
Speaker 1: come beyond it, and I was like, I truly think
Speaker 1: I manifested anyways. But I was like, before I got
Speaker 1: the email, I was like, what would my answer be?
Speaker 1: And I was like, thinking about it, this couldn't have
Speaker 1: been better timing, my god. Um, but I have so
Speaker 1: many answers you can give them all the talking about
Speaker 1: them all. Okay, um, see what was the culture? Okay?
Speaker 1: I have a very distinct memory, so I am not like,
Speaker 1: even though I make films, I'm not a huge like
Speaker 1: movie buff. I feel like I missed out on so
Speaker 1: did I everything I hear. But I also like, I
Speaker 1: like what I like. You know, it's like, but that's
Speaker 1: as something's a problem with me, of like a problem
Speaker 1: with me, um, a problem with me? Remember that pieces
Speaker 1: of me, piece pieces pieces of me twice live. Anyways,
Speaker 1: I have this very distinct memory of being at the
Speaker 1: beach with um my cousins and then some family friends.
Speaker 1: We always went down to the outer Banks in North Carolina,
Speaker 1: and my cousin f from He was like, there's this
Speaker 1: movie that's so funny, everyone should watch, and it was
Speaker 1: drop dead gorgeous, and yes, thank god, thank god maybe
Speaker 1: but once before, but it was it wasn't someone else's culture.
Speaker 1: Anytime anyone answers to this question and they don't say
Speaker 1: drop dead gorgeous, I just go yeah. When it just
Speaker 1: came out on Hulu to so that I re entered
Speaker 1: the zeitgeist. That is a helpful culture Hulu. I think
Speaker 1: Ly four, which is so perfect, and I just remember
Speaker 1: watching that and being like the one, this is the
Speaker 1: absolute funnies thing I've ever seen in my whole entire life.
Speaker 1: And it also it was like women being so funny
Speaker 1: in reverent and like I I don't consider like myself
Speaker 1: a performer, but I consider myself very funny ya, which
Speaker 1: is a chill thing to say, but I do. And um,
Speaker 1: but it's so it was like I don't know, just
Speaker 1: like everything, so I don't know it I mean it
Speaker 1: was like this is everything that was so like the
Speaker 1: scene where the former pageant winner who has anorexi don't things,
Speaker 1: don't slips, don't go out loud. I'm being pushed around
Speaker 1: in a wheelchair just like not even like not even
Speaker 1: by today's standard, does not. I don't. I don't find
Speaker 1: like a non pc or like offensive. It's the irony,
Speaker 1: like just that image is so funny, yes, and that
Speaker 1: like um, just like that slice of culture and that
Speaker 1: being played like it was obviously for laughs, but then
Speaker 1: just seeing the audience like loving it. Like that's when
Speaker 1: I was like, this is the funniest thing I've ever
Speaker 1: seen in my whole That's so funny about that to
Speaker 1: me is the fact that that was her winning talent
Speaker 1: when who could Forget Loud by Melissa Manchester. And it's
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, the realization that that was
Speaker 1: what she had done. It was just like a reprise
Speaker 1: of her winning talent. The physicality of the actress and
Speaker 1: she has her arms like they're spinning her around in
Speaker 1: the wheels I mean, and then when when it's keeping
Speaker 1: just keep it inside learn that a cultural way. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I mean that was just the best thing
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my whole entire life. So that
Speaker 1: was such a moment for me. And I think that
Speaker 1: kind of like started me off on like, um, just
Speaker 1: like funny teenage girl movies. So that made way for
Speaker 1: well tend things that we hate about you Jawbreaker, Sugar
Speaker 1: and Spice, these movies for me. What was the other one?
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Dollhouse, which like it was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: girls being crazy is my favorite thing. And I think
Speaker 1: I mean like yeah, like not the conversation with like
Speaker 1: our women funny or whatever, because we're not. But it's
Speaker 1: like I just like locked in with that so much.
Speaker 1: And I think and when I was thinking about this
Speaker 1: question a lot of like, so, my mom comes from
Speaker 1: this big old Catholic family and there's five girls and
Speaker 1: one brother, and like her and her sisters are just
Speaker 1: like the funniest women in the whole entire world. And
Speaker 1: I come from these like matriarchal like my dad's families,
Speaker 1: like he was raised by his grandmother, and it's just
Speaker 1: like the women just like rule yes, and they were
Speaker 1: so fucking funny. And finally I was just like, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm seeing all these crazy women on TV, and I
Speaker 1: love it. Yes, it's like that thing we were saying
Speaker 1: we were saying on the on the episode we recently
Speaker 1: recorded where it's like with nex Twitter, something happens where
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily understand exactly why you it's hitting with
Speaker 1: you so hard, but it hits with you so so hard,
Speaker 1: and then maybe years later you'll figure it out why.
Speaker 1: But it's like I remember watching Drop Dead Gorgons and
Speaker 1: lots of those movies you just mentioned and being like,
Speaker 1: I know this is my sense of humor. I do
Speaker 1: not know why these like this like Midwestern town of
Speaker 1: that's like led by this all fame outcast. Like I
Speaker 1: think I did know why because it just was like
Speaker 1: I obviously just like gravitated more towards women, but it
Speaker 1: was yeah, totally. And like especially with Draptic Gorgeous, it's
Speaker 1: the pacing of it is so great, like carbonated, Like
Speaker 1: it's just there's so much happening, so it's fun the
Speaker 1: entire time. My god. Yes, my only complaint with that
Speaker 1: movie is that when it ends, I'm like I wanted
Speaker 1: to see that everything wanted. It almost feels like there's
Speaker 1: a third beat. It doesn't play. Yeah you know what
Speaker 1: I say. Okay, So you know what I say, You
Speaker 1: know what I say? You know what I say, You're wrong.
Speaker 1: Problem there is something What is so great is like
Speaker 1: because you're kind of just like living in this world
Speaker 1: and we're following along with the pageant and with these murders.
Speaker 1: But then what feels sort of dissatisfying is that like
Speaker 1: about that ending is that it sums up and they're
Speaker 1: like and then she went on to work with Diane Sawyer,
Speaker 1: which is wonderful and it's great, but it's not um
Speaker 1: the narrative strung sure of it. I feel like it
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like there should be an ending because it
Speaker 1: feels like you're kind of just in like a waiting
Speaker 1: anything there, which I do. I think that is a
Speaker 1: kind of comedy I love though, but you don't want
Speaker 1: to ever end? Yeah, I mean that's I think it's
Speaker 1: a comment on how great it is because when you
Speaker 1: remember feeling like it didn't have a third beat, but
Speaker 1: really the third the first beat is the preparation and
Speaker 1: then the real climax of that movie is the pageant
Speaker 1: in the town. Yeah, I mean, like, and also I remember, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how you guys feel, but I personally
Speaker 1: have and I don't know what this has about me,
Speaker 1: but when when people die in movies, I I don't
Speaker 1: know what this is, but I have I really get
Speaker 1: upset when people die in movies, like because I'm like,
Speaker 1: that was someone's life, and like when I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is, I'm literally crazy, Richards, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: because in this movie, I only thought it was funny,
Speaker 1: like it was so big and like when when the
Speaker 1: girl gets blown up on the tractor in the beginning,
Speaker 1: I'm like, these are it's like a funny. And maybe
Speaker 1: it's because I was young and like wasn't so cookie
Speaker 1: bananas and like didn't care so much. But it's like
Speaker 1: I think I have gotten older, I've become more sensitive
Speaker 1: and like when people die in movies, I'm like that's sad,
Speaker 1: like alive, and at this time with this movie is
Speaker 1: just like it's so cartoonish and and like so funny
Speaker 1: that every character that dies, like I'm just like there somehow,
Speaker 1: somehow Denise Denise's flow flowing up and seeing Kirsty Alley's
Speaker 1: character just gree just it's crazy, that's shocking, and like
Speaker 1: it is it is actually the first real moment of
Speaker 1: like pain and pathos that you feel that. I mean,
Speaker 1: Kirsty Alley gives a great everyone, I mean incredible, we
Speaker 1: got her, Denise Richards, Kirsten Done. I mean we've literally
Speaker 1: sung the praises of Kirston Done on this podcast so
Speaker 1: many times. Underrated makes it look easy one of the best. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was, I think that. Yeah, Like it does have
Speaker 1: this weird third act problem where just sort of evaporate
Speaker 1: at the end, where like the last is kind of
Speaker 1: just like the food poisoning at the Nationals. Yes, there's
Speaker 1: a heightening thing. That's what we're like waiting for so
Speaker 1: long about like what's happening and then we get the answer.
Speaker 1: But then yeah, I don't know, Like I don't hate it,
Speaker 1: but it's not good. Does that make I tell you
Speaker 1: that nowadays? Nowadays that is a series nowadays, like because
Speaker 1: there wasn't the I think space, Oh my god, maybe
Speaker 1: they should do this now, I mean talk about something
Speaker 1: that should be rebooted as a series, like really, have
Speaker 1: you guys rewatched it recently? It doesn't. It doesn't, but
Speaker 1: but I will say parts of it do well. A
Speaker 1: lot of it does. Parts of it that you could
Speaker 1: not do, like the references to the mentally challenged k. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the Japanese family even some pedophile humor is like yeah,
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of it that is like but
Speaker 1: you could redo it now in irresponsible to um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know it was very funny a few years ago,
Speaker 1: Like I showed it to an old boyfriend being like,
Speaker 1: this is the movie that raised me and I hadn't
Speaker 1: seen it a long time. Was I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: but the things I remember about like the little one
Speaker 1: liners like do you think you have them all? You
Speaker 1: think it in the park La of America with them all?
Speaker 1: I went to them all America and I said that, um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean it's it's absolutely brilliant, and then
Speaker 1: her a little like, uh, whether they can't tell you
Speaker 1: can't hold the wine like us? Just like yeah, also
Speaker 1: like truly, all the supporting performances are so good, like
Speaker 1: the two drunk ladies at the end who run the
Speaker 1: regional padget Yes, like so good like Allison Jenny and
Speaker 1: Ellen Barbar and together truly, I mean that is a
Speaker 1: duo we should cherish. Yeah that was oh my gosh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that that was one that like opened my eyes
Speaker 1: of just being like, oh, I'm finally seeing women as
Speaker 1: funny as I know they should be portrayed because it's
Speaker 1: like you really didn't. I remember on Stars at the time,
Speaker 1: there was that movie that played again and again and
Speaker 1: again and also bringing On, so it was like double
Speaker 1: dose Dunced and it was large female cast of really
Speaker 1: and what I liked about it is the characters were characters,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like really like Eliza dou
Speaker 1: was character and bringing On. That's like you never forget
Speaker 1: that character. It was well drawn, well performed, like Gabrielle
Speaker 1: Union was so like strong in that movie, and like
Speaker 1: such like every actress was playing it for everything it
Speaker 1: was worth. Even the little supporting characters like that didn't
Speaker 1: get anything, like there were choices made like it was
Speaker 1: fun and it was like it was camp be to
Speaker 1: use totally totally and there's and like not to like
Speaker 1: always more in something from like from the past. But
Speaker 1: like you like, it's weird that you don't get a
Speaker 1: small budget comedy with large female casts anymore. Besides, like
Speaker 1: I mean, you get you get like Bridesmaids, but those
Speaker 1: are but then right there's like a small budget thing
Speaker 1: with like a bunch of like great actors, but that
Speaker 1: kind of thing gets like shut it away at Netflix
Speaker 1: or its like or it gets buried in No one's
Speaker 1: gonna watch it and haveing like a big conversation, right
Speaker 1: maybe like someone great, someone I was gonna say, you
Speaker 1: know what, you get a lot nowadays, and this is
Speaker 1: not this is not to pooh pooh it. It's just like,
Speaker 1: I see there's a formula that we're following, and I
Speaker 1: think we should be cognizant of the fact that it
Speaker 1: could get a little road. You see a lot of
Speaker 1: like three diverse girls, you know, like one white girl,
Speaker 1: one Spanish girl, and one black girl, and it's just
Speaker 1: like look at them, and it's just like you guys,
Speaker 1: like I can feel you trying to to to cater
Speaker 1: to an audience. And it's like like because of the
Speaker 1: way they market it and because of like do you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, I get that, you know, like
Speaker 1: you know what I call them like Instagram story movies,
Speaker 1: Like it's a little like um yeah, and it's it's like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: showing me some fucking weird, show me some like you know,
Speaker 1: there's not I mean. And then there are movies like that,
Speaker 1: but it's like but they're far and few between. Um oh,
Speaker 1: I had a point I was going to say about
Speaker 1: Zoeel does um oh. But I think part of it
Speaker 1: is like with the reaction of like social media and stuff.
Speaker 1: I remember remember that short story that came out like
Speaker 1: two years ago, maybe cat Person, and I really liked that.
Speaker 1: I thought it was good and then um, but then
Speaker 1: there's like this backlash being like, um, actually it's not good.
Speaker 1: It's fat phobic, and it's like, well it can be,
Speaker 1: but the yeah, and it's like, well it's a piece
Speaker 1: of fiction, like people are fat phobic, like we can
Speaker 1: this girl is allowed, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like that doesn't make it a bad story. You
Speaker 1: don't that's a character you don't like. And people couldn't
Speaker 1: distinguish the two. And I thought it was an article
Speaker 1: because they were like this is like they were treating
Speaker 1: the treatment of it was like the conversation round. It
Speaker 1: was like, was that it was like a news story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like it's problematic and it's like, well, no,
Speaker 1: it's a story, Like I don't know it was. It
Speaker 1: was like kind of like they couldn't decipher. So I
Speaker 1: think some of these people are like we need these people,
Speaker 1: we super relate to and like and then it's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we know what if we have some one who like
Speaker 1: they're fat phobic or they're whatever, and I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: not a good trait in them, but like we're following
Speaker 1: their story and we don't have to be like rooting
Speaker 1: for them. And I do want to just go out
Speaker 1: on a women say that the people who we're calling
Speaker 1: cat person fat phobic were just the men, because it
Speaker 1: was like, you're making fun of she doesn't want to
Speaker 1: funk this dude who weighs like more than who has
Speaker 1: a weird b M. I like, whatever, weird, but you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, It's like it was that I
Speaker 1: distinctly remember that that being sort of pushed by Yeah,
Speaker 1: and when also like here's the thing, like there are
Speaker 1: women who are fat phobic, and there's women who are
Speaker 1: also Like that is like not being like I think
Speaker 1: somebodys we get a little caught up and being like
Speaker 1: that story deserves to be told, um, which like yes,
Speaker 1: that does like work in a lot of ways. But
Speaker 1: then also it's like, yeah, but like let's hear from
Speaker 1: these like you know, I guess like anti heroes a little.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the anti heroes like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't have to be like on the same page
Speaker 1: as the people were seeing their story, and it is
Speaker 1: there is a lot of sex as a minute too,
Speaker 1: because it's almost like when something like Breaking Bad or
Speaker 1: mad Men happens, it's like, you know, literally Donald Draper
Speaker 1: and Um Walter White become like almost like icons Donald
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, Donald Trump Um, but like they become like
Speaker 1: style icons, cultural icons and like you you you Don
Speaker 1: Draper is like a horrific person, but yet like he's
Speaker 1: like Don Draper and his cool and like but meanwhile,
Speaker 1: like and this is not to necessarily like super like whatever.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is like it happens to a show
Speaker 1: like Girls and like uh Hannah Horror Wrath does things
Speaker 1: that are like shitty, and it's like, well, Girls endorses
Speaker 1: this kind of person and Girls where it's like with
Speaker 1: all these shows that revolve around men, it's like just
Speaker 1: because mad Men is about a misogynist who's like, you know,
Speaker 1: like a cheater and like like an alcoholic and so
Speaker 1: many of those things, it does that like we we
Speaker 1: don't say, well mad Men endorses this kind of man. Yeah, interesting,
Speaker 1: like look at a complicated man well they get antihero
Speaker 1: and then and then it's only recently where like the
Speaker 1: anti heroine is embraced and we can't just see everyone
Speaker 1: as like anti hero you know what I mean. It's
Speaker 1: like these shows with women at the center or with
Speaker 1: female cast, it's like we hold them accountable for the
Speaker 1: behaviors are the characters, and it almost makes it impossible
Speaker 1: to see shades of gray and these kinds of people
Speaker 1: because I think it's like with cat person, it's like,
Speaker 1: well it's fat bobic, you know what I mean. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: well maybe it's just like about this type of person,
Speaker 1: and it's like you're saying it's a story, sure, yeah, exactly, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know what I miss. You know what I
Speaker 1: miss is that like I miss like a fucking villain,
Speaker 1: like someone that you're everyone is meant to hate and
Speaker 1: be on the same page about. At the same time,
Speaker 1: there's not fictionalized. There hasn't been a fictionalized villain on
Speaker 1: TV or in film that sticks out to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're you're you're still supposed to like there's still
Speaker 1: like this thing where like people feel like they need
Speaker 1: the creators need feel they need to round out these
Speaker 1: characters by like having you sympathize with them in some way,
Speaker 1: and it's like, sometimes give me the tropes, like give
Speaker 1: give me the stock characters. Like I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I like, yeah, maybe maybe that's like a
Speaker 1: weird unfounded claim that I'm making, But like I feel
Speaker 1: like we're massing, Like yes, like we're all like getting
Speaker 1: off on like complicated anti heroes or whatever. Even with
Speaker 1: the most famous villains like Maleficent, it's like, don't way
Speaker 1: to humanize her. And it's like she's a Maleficent. She
Speaker 1: turned into a dragon and test to kill villain. That
Speaker 1: that's she's iconically a villain. So let Angelina Jolie be
Speaker 1: the villain. That's why we bought the ticket. Actually, we
Speaker 1: don't need to actually actually number forty three. Let why
Speaker 1: we bought the ticket. Actually, um okay, really quickly, I
Speaker 1: just want to say it just you you're talking about
Speaker 1: dropped a gorgeous not while not holding up for some reason.
Speaker 1: Last night, I this is not quite the same thing.
Speaker 1: But last night I decided to I never watched Friends.
Speaker 1: I don't really care for it as a show, but
Speaker 1: I put on the Brad Pitt episode and I was like,
Speaker 1: I remember loving this when it when it when it aired,
Speaker 1: it was like eleven and like loving it, loving it,
Speaker 1: loving it. It was like the funniest thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: It was so cool. At such a moment, everyone was
Speaker 1: watching Brad Pitt Beyond Friends Um a terrible episode, terribly written,
Speaker 1: and I would say actor Brad Pitt sucks in it,
Speaker 1: like it was just about the novelty. But then like
Speaker 1: the whole storyline was like yeah, like Brad Pitt and
Speaker 1: like Brad's character and Ross starting this rumor in high
Speaker 1: school that rachel Um was intersex and that she was
Speaker 1: a hermaphrodite, and that was like such a like a
Speaker 1: cathartic laugh line of like, oh that show was number
Speaker 1: one for LGBT. Yes, yes, but it was also show
Speaker 1: that was on every night, every every night in my house.
Speaker 1: And it's one of those shows that where I've seen
Speaker 1: every episode, but like I couldn't tell you on every night.
Speaker 1: So there are there's some people and I don't and
Speaker 1: I don't understand these people, and I would love for
Speaker 1: to sit down over coffee and talk to talk to
Speaker 1: these people about this. It is a textureless show that
Speaker 1: is a smooth surface. I cannot tell you what happens
Speaker 1: in it. Well, I mean that was what comedy was then.
Speaker 1: It was like someone coming in and like Karen Walker
Speaker 1: being like all right, Mary, and then they listen Pam's
Speaker 1: just like it's like it is funny, but it's not.
Speaker 1: It's not a joke. Yeah. But then also those then
Speaker 1: also like they do do jokes on their shows in
Speaker 1: the most like joke way. Yeah, it's like this interesting
Speaker 1: thing where it's like, I don't know, Network TV in
Speaker 1: the nineties, just like truly, and then we're like, we
Speaker 1: gott to invent the Internet and like get us something
Speaker 1: else to do. We got it that the internet. We
Speaker 1: got it that the internet. We had show up to
Speaker 1: the office or they inventing the internet, Like, guys, we're
Speaker 1: pushing up the netline game Bad Friends is getting bad
Speaker 1: speaking like they are rolling out the red carpet for
Speaker 1: that once upon a time in Hollywood. Now have you
Speaker 1: heard anything about this? I heard about the trailer. As
Speaker 1: a filmmaker, what do you think of tarantine? Um? I mean,
Speaker 1: like I it's hard for me to have a super
Speaker 1: strong opinion about anything. I like, there's what is he
Speaker 1: made that I've liked um Um. I liked no, no, no,
Speaker 1: what's the one with pulp fiction? Um? Like I don't
Speaker 1: like worship at the Church of Him. It's a little
Speaker 1: like a Tarantino movie is a Tarantino movie. Um. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it just feels so like he's saying things no one
Speaker 1: else is saying, and like he's doing what anyone else
Speaker 1: dares to do. And I'm just like like, well, I
Speaker 1: don't know, like I don't think that's true. I think
Speaker 1: it's true. It's like a little like it's just that
Speaker 1: these people on pedestals and that's like what this issue is.
Speaker 1: Like we're just start of seeing the same things and
Speaker 1: it's like, yes, that's cool, but like let's get a
Speaker 1: few like yeah, I don't know. Somebody said like like
Speaker 1: circulating on Twitter years. The reason I bring it up
Speaker 1: is because it was like Brad Pitt and Leonardo DiCaprio
Speaker 1: and they asked them both like, so, what are you
Speaker 1: guys going to retire? Brad Pitt is fifty five and
Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio was forty four, So asking Leonardo Caprie he's
Speaker 1: gonna retire a to me is and and also it's
Speaker 1: just like what could we be more obsessed with you.
Speaker 1: He's forty four. But also the second thing happened where
Speaker 1: it was like there was this article that was like,
Speaker 1: Leonardo DiCaprio has bravely never done a sequel and never
Speaker 1: done a superhero movie. Someone and two year old Zoe
Speaker 1: because in posted something. She posted this article and then
Speaker 1: she wrote something I love, which was um. She she wrote,
Speaker 1: like do a movie with a female director for the
Speaker 1: first time in twenty years? Challenge? Yeah, I was honestly, yes,
Speaker 1: let's not. Let's what was the last movie he did
Speaker 1: with the female I don't know, but like it's been
Speaker 1: yere and it's like there hasn't been a lot that
Speaker 1: there hasn't been a lot of effort on Leonardo DiCaprio's
Speaker 1: part to involve like if you ever really think about it,
Speaker 1: every time Leo was in a movie, he does show
Speaker 1: and it's like really sort of masculine argro stuff, and
Speaker 1: it's like he comes from that, like so funny brad Packy,
Speaker 1: like it killed a Barry lived in it, like Man Man,
Speaker 1: Man Man, and it's like, yeah, he never did a
Speaker 1: sequel or like in a superhero movie. But Katie Rith
Speaker 1: is just like, yeah, Brayley dates like a twenty two
Speaker 1: year old. It's like, yeah, like he's the same like
Speaker 1: person as Dane Cook in essence. You know. It's like
Speaker 1: it's not like don't make him no, That's what I'm
Speaker 1: kind of saying. It's like, yeah, he's he's not like
Speaker 1: he's good, but like we kind of like elevate these
Speaker 1: people of like and it's sort of it's like but yeah,
Speaker 1: like actually like we're seeing art in such a like
Speaker 1: eight person little cesspool, and it's like, yeah, go with
Speaker 1: a female director exactly. Imagine a female director being like
Speaker 1: a bear is going to birthly truly, like like yeah,
Speaker 1: like vaginal metaphors, right right right, if they don't want to,
Speaker 1: if they don't want to, wait, what are your other
Speaker 1: answers if you have them, if you would like to offer,
Speaker 1: you know, okay, Well, so, so both of my parents
Speaker 1: are artists. So I grew up in a very like
Speaker 1: little arty household, but there are my mom's a printmaker
Speaker 1: and my dad's a sculptor. Um. But I yeah, that
Speaker 1: was cool. I know, it is it is, and so
Speaker 1: like I do feel like I was very one thing
Speaker 1: that has been so helpful, and it's something I only
Speaker 1: kind of been realizing recently because like being a creative person, um,
Speaker 1: your success gets very tight into like your popularity and UM.
Speaker 1: That is, believe it or not, something I've struggled with.
Speaker 1: And I think I'm the only one actually that's you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's a mean thing I'm working on in therapy. UM.
Speaker 1: But I will say one thing is like they're both
Speaker 1: incredibly talented and they're very respected in their fields, but
Speaker 1: they're not like famous artists, and um, that has been
Speaker 1: such a helpful thing for me to think about in
Speaker 1: terms of like growing up my whole life, like they're
Speaker 1: artists and as nothing tied in with like yeah exactly,
Speaker 1: And there's something that's been very helpful about that. And
Speaker 1: just like that this choice, I think that's been sort
Speaker 1: of recently, maybe in the last like two years from me.
Speaker 1: You're just being like, oh, I am a filmmaker, I
Speaker 1: am an artist and like um and just like deciding
Speaker 1: that and not waiting for approval. And I will say
Speaker 1: that sort of a mindset switch has helped me create
Speaker 1: like some of my best work. It's like you're just
Speaker 1: doing it, um, and it's not like you're not trying
Speaker 1: to find like you're not trying to tap into an
Speaker 1: energy that's already out there there or like in the zeitgeist.
Speaker 1: It's like you're just following what you want to be
Speaker 1: doing because like you have to trust yourself as a
Speaker 1: creative and as an artist. Um and yeah, so I
Speaker 1: think that was like incredibly helpful and incredibly like and
Speaker 1: also like I had like a normal child, people like
Speaker 1: artist Mui have been crazy and it's like no, like
Speaker 1: to church every Sunday, like you know, um, so cool
Speaker 1: and like like and that will be like a constant
Speaker 1: fixed point for you to like have I don't like
Speaker 1: to have like your parents come from that, like to
Speaker 1: have that lifetime of an experience totally And there's something
Speaker 1: just so I mean like and that is like a
Speaker 1: true privilege I come from of like me being like,
Speaker 1: oh I'm going to do comedy. I want to make
Speaker 1: films like I never had to like convince my parents
Speaker 1: or anything, which I consider myself very lucky. Um. But
Speaker 1: again it's also just been a very helpful role model
Speaker 1: of just like oh, they are both artists, like no
Speaker 1: matter where like the tide is on, what isn't is
Speaker 1: unpopular or if their work is in Vogue or not,
Speaker 1: and like seeing like when I was growing up my dad.
Speaker 1: My dad makes these very like conceptual like sculptures and
Speaker 1: artwork which is very neat and like he'd but I
Speaker 1: will say like as he's or as he's gotten older
Speaker 1: with me and my family, we've all gotten older. Um,
Speaker 1: he's become I feel like, more well known and his
Speaker 1: work as being recognized more. But it's so interesting because
Speaker 1: like he's been doing the same stuff as all my
Speaker 1: whole life. Um, and he didn't like change from that,
Speaker 1: and like it's cool just being like, oh, like you'll
Speaker 1: get recognized eventually or if you don't, like you're still
Speaker 1: doing the thing you want to do. And also the
Speaker 1: kind of thing of recognition as the goal, Like I
Speaker 1: feel like the longer you do this, you realize like
Speaker 1: that actually can't be camp you. You're reminded of people
Speaker 1: like that really pop off, like when they're truly in
Speaker 1: their fifties. Like I always think of like Anne Doubt
Speaker 1: and Melissa Leo as examples of like people that like
Speaker 1: popped off and ny like forty years old. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's like she's and she's, uh, you think she's been.
Speaker 1: He's the thing she had she had, she just wasn't
Speaker 1: on our TV screen, right, And I think that's part
Speaker 1: of it, is like you take yourself seriously as an
Speaker 1: artist and then when that like when you're not waiting
Speaker 1: for someone to like take your hand, and that's what
Speaker 1: was for me with this film. So I just finished
Speaker 1: shooting this film, Ramsey, which was incredibly fun and also
Speaker 1: like we were saying, early the hardest thing I've ever
Speaker 1: done to life, and I threw such a terrible note
Speaker 1: it is okay. I mean you were very missed. But
Speaker 1: Bone was supposed to be in it, but um he
Speaker 1: had something else. Yeah, we have something and that's and
Speaker 1: that happens, that's the biz. But we had an incredible gal,
Speaker 1: this girl Sophia Dobri Shin, who was actually a p
Speaker 1: A on the film, and she um ended up doing
Speaker 1: the part and knocked it out of the part. It
Speaker 1: was like I just finished a rough cut editing it
Speaker 1: like before I came here, and it was like, she's
Speaker 1: just like a little piece of candy. I love it,
Speaker 1: a piece of mean candy. So Oscar, I deserve the credit,
Speaker 1: and that's what I told her. What is the film? Okay?
Speaker 1: So it is a short, well really quickly before I
Speaker 1: get into that. What I was saying was like I
Speaker 1: was really getting a point where I was like, I
Speaker 1: want to make this film. I want to make films,
Speaker 1: but like I'm waiting for someone to like tell me
Speaker 1: it's okay to do it. And I had this phone
Speaker 1: call with Katie Skelltland, who is her. I just think
Speaker 1: she's one of the most talented people and she is
Speaker 1: a friend and maybe this would embarrass her, but like
Speaker 1: she I consider her like a mentor in some ways
Speaker 1: based on just like some phone calls we've had and
Speaker 1: like the opportunity she's given me, and like I've just
Speaker 1: had this phone call with her last like February, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I want to make a short, Like
Speaker 1: how where do I start? Like how do I do it?
Speaker 1: And She's like, you just start and it was like
Speaker 1: the best like anti advice ever. And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: what if I don't know what I'm doing. She's like,
Speaker 1: you aren't going to know what you're doing. You just
Speaker 1: like say you're doing it, and then people come out
Speaker 1: of the woodwork, and like so I started this film
Speaker 1: and then I cold emailed a DP this incredible girl,
Speaker 1: Charlotte Hornsby, who, um, it's just incredibly talented and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: look her up. Charlotte Hornsby. Um, I called emailed her
Speaker 1: with the script. She loved it. She came on board,
Speaker 1: and then I like started just assembling this team. And
Speaker 1: then people are like, oh, you keep talking about how
Speaker 1: you're doing it. And then this one guy who I
Speaker 1: was friends with was like, let me be your a D.
Speaker 1: So he comes on. Brian Flaherty comes on, is my
Speaker 1: a D? From an Instagram message? Wouldn't have happened without him,
Speaker 1: Like he brought it together. Elizabeth Scadden, this girl came
Speaker 1: out and was my producer. And it's just like, oh,
Speaker 1: like you just move forward and say you're doing it
Speaker 1: and like, I know that sounds very like woah, like
Speaker 1: the secret, but it is um and so it was.
Speaker 1: It was an incredibly affirming process because it was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: this didn't come from someone being like that's a great idea,
Speaker 1: you should do it. It just came from being like,
Speaker 1: you just decide you're doing it. Yeah. It's like I'm
Speaker 1: not to be like whatever this man even, but it
Speaker 1: is the secret, and it is, it works, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's an inertia thing. It's like you just you don't
Speaker 1: move until you start moving, and then when it's moving,
Speaker 1: you keep moving, yeah, exactly, and like yeah, and I
Speaker 1: was just like, oh, I'm going to make this. And
Speaker 1: then I was like, I've never fundraised before, and I
Speaker 1: raised like fourteen dollars for it, and I had money,
Speaker 1: um that, which is another thing I try to be
Speaker 1: like really transparent about. It's like, I had a great
Speaker 1: out and pass away and who unexpectedly left me some money.
Speaker 1: And because filmmakings like fucking expensive, I think that's a
Speaker 1: thing that should be talked about more like yeah, it's insane.
Speaker 1: And then so when she had passed away, I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: this is a good bump to like on top of this,
Speaker 1: I can raise money and get to where I need
Speaker 1: to get. So that I was gonna say, that's so
Speaker 1: lovely that you're that she left you some Yes, fran
Speaker 1: On fran if you're out there, you're up there. I
Speaker 1: love her on fran Um fran Liebman. She was born
Speaker 1: on in Columbus, France. So what part of the process
Speaker 1: are you in right now? Editing? So we just literally
Speaker 1: assembled the rough cut right before this, but so anyway
Speaker 1: to answer the question, it is sort of this like whimsical,
Speaker 1: surreal short comedy. It's going to be about like eleven
Speaker 1: to twelve minutes long, um, the perfect length. Um. And
Speaker 1: it's about this young gal Ramsey who's played by Naughtia Pinder,
Speaker 1: who's truly a fucking star. I looked her because when
Speaker 1: I thought and she's she's, Oh my god, she's the
Speaker 1: most delightful charismatic, Like you could just like watch her
Speaker 1: say the alphabet and you're like, I'm entertained. Um. And anyways,
Speaker 1: she's sort of at this point where she's hitting a
Speaker 1: bunch of like roadblocks, both of her own making and
Speaker 1: of other people, um like enforcing that upon her. Um.
Speaker 1: And then she's with a friend, this girl Rachel, who's
Speaker 1: one of my favorite characters, and it played by Eadie Monica.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you some clips of her app like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's just like I'm obsessed with her. Um. She's so incredible.
Speaker 1: She's so incredible in this movie. And then um, basically, um,
Speaker 1: Ramsey is in an antique shop. She breaks all of
Speaker 1: these dolls by accident, has to buy them, and then
Speaker 1: Eadie is like, what are these dolls? And then in
Speaker 1: a moment of like what are these dolls, Ramseys are like,
Speaker 1: they're my show. This is my show. And then it
Speaker 1: cuts to like her putting on a show with They're
Speaker 1: like she puts on a show with those broken dolls,
Speaker 1: and then eats manager comes to the show, is obsessed
Speaker 1: with the show, but then gives the dolls their own
Speaker 1: television show and not Ramsey, and then Ramsey has sort
Speaker 1: of like a um like we see the fault, the
Speaker 1: mental fallout of like watching these dolls become famous. It's
Speaker 1: it's very funny, it's very silly, but it was also
Speaker 1: very Yes, I wrote it, and it was very cathartic
Speaker 1: to write, and like, um, it's sort of just like
Speaker 1: no one's understanding her and a lot of people are
Speaker 1: like telling her things about herself that aren't true, and
Speaker 1: so she's this really great moment like that's this like
Speaker 1: climatic scene where she's yelling at this guy who's just
Speaker 1: at a taco shop with her, played by um Bartia
Speaker 1: Selini who's so great and um she's and he's like
Speaker 1: just yelling at her about stuff, and she's basically like
Speaker 1: like kind of mother, like fuck you, you can't actually
Speaker 1: I know exactly what's happened to me, and I know
Speaker 1: who I am, and it's a like really cathartic moment,
Speaker 1: and so it's fun. I can't wait to see. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. So we're finishing up and then we're
Speaker 1: going to be submitting the festivals and hopefully it'll be
Speaker 1: on NBC this fall. Hopefully. That's that's amazing. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't wait. Congratulations guys, such a huge Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: but it was really the hardest thing ever, Like the
Speaker 1: days leading up to it. You can ask um, my
Speaker 1: good friends at least Morales and that's who I are,
Speaker 1: the incredible but I was like, I'm calling them like
Speaker 1: my emotional support producers, like I was losing and they
Speaker 1: were so helpful. But I think they were also like,
Speaker 1: get this film out of her. That helps. That helps
Speaker 1: the process because everyone just wants you to be totally,
Speaker 1: totally and like the most like magnanimous way of just
Speaker 1: like just for everyone's well being, let's just make sure
Speaker 1: this goes to smoothing truly. Umm, but that sounds amazing.
Speaker 1: I cannot wait. When do we think? Do we don't
Speaker 1: know when is going to come out? Well, so I'm
Speaker 1: we're gonna you don't know, Well, let me let her
Speaker 1: finish tomorrow, just kidding. No, um, well we we don't
Speaker 1: know in the sense of like I'm going to try
Speaker 1: and get it into a few big festivals and then
Speaker 1: that will be the premiere, because they want you to
Speaker 1: be the ones you like to premiere the film, so
Speaker 1: you hold it back and so it's a stay tuned.
Speaker 1: It's it's a stay tun and now it's taking Yes,
Speaker 1: you can tune in for I don't Think so, honey,
Speaker 1: which is going to happen right now. So this is
Speaker 1: our one. Did you not know? No, No, I knew,
Speaker 1: but I but I'll be fine, very fine. But when
Speaker 1: I famously didn't I don't think so honey, tried to
Speaker 1: recite a poem and it, Oh my god, that was
Speaker 1: my favorite ever, just the second performance of the night. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but no, I loved that the poem eventually got out,
Speaker 1: got out boe and gave me the extra time, which
Speaker 1: was the most charitable thing anyone's ever done for me.
Speaker 1: There a charitable boy in the beginning of EPI, Um,
Speaker 1: I do okay, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: These time starts now I don't think so honey, you're
Speaker 1: saying you're not gonna see Cats. You are gonna see Cats.
Speaker 1: We're all gonna see Cats together in one huge and
Speaker 1: it will play the biggest theater in the world. Here's
Speaker 1: the thing. Cats is going to be a cultural moment,
Speaker 1: and I know I'm one to top because I don't
Speaker 1: see any scary movies. Like I won't see it too.
Speaker 1: I did not see us and like. But the thing
Speaker 1: is like when a cultural moment like Cats rolls around, like,
Speaker 1: I don't think, so honey, you're not gonna see it.
Speaker 1: I don't think, so honey, you're not watching the trailer
Speaker 1: and seeing Jennifer Hudson in any second drag, old cat
Speaker 1: drag in a world where we're supposed to accept that
Speaker 1: she's older than Judy dnn, she's the oldest cat. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna see that. I'm sorry, I don't think so honey,
Speaker 1: you're saying you're not gonna see Taylor Swift sprinkled cat
Speaker 1: nip in a can and with those on. I don't think, so, honey,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna see cats. I was sing lion King.
Speaker 1: The women next to me go, I know we're not
Speaker 1: gonna see I turned to them and I said, I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. I was like, you'll be there,
Speaker 1: I'll be there, and we'll all be there and we
Speaker 1: all have together because we all know we're going to
Speaker 1: see cats. I don't think so. That's absolutely we're going
Speaker 1: to see cats. It's unmissable. Are great, are great? Thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you, simple sneakers. But this is bowen yangs. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. And as time starts now, I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Fung schway bitch. It is the
Speaker 1: biggest Asian scam in the world and we're all falling
Speaker 1: for it. Lock stalk, barrel bitch. My mom comes and
Speaker 1: visits me in New York City and starts moving around
Speaker 1: my apartment. Go, mom, what do you do When she goes,
Speaker 1: you can't have the mirror facing the bed because that
Speaker 1: you invite evil spirits or some My mom is a
Speaker 1: merry and fucking Williams and all of a sudden and
Speaker 1: she's talking about spirits and energies and love and battlefields
Speaker 1: and no, Mom, let me put my plant next to
Speaker 1: my couch. It's my mom goes, you can't have a
Speaker 1: plant with a pointy spiky leave because it promotes violence
Speaker 1: and invites violence and your life. You need a wide,
Speaker 1: broad leave. And I go, mom, it's a leave and
Speaker 1: it will not do anything. And I'm doing okay for myself.
Speaker 1: For me putting my end table in that quarter of
Speaker 1: the room pointing west or where the sun sets is fine.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna kill me. I think, my mom five
Speaker 1: seconds better go to fucking school, to interior design school
Speaker 1: and not followed this ancient Chinese bullshit. That's one minute
Speaker 1: with that, with that request of your mother's, that's my best.
Speaker 1: And that was a very good I love any I
Speaker 1: don't think the moneymore from someone said afterwards that was
Speaker 1: one of my best, but you said that was you
Speaker 1: said that was one of my best HP today but
Speaker 1: in the past, if it didn't happen today, it never happened,
Speaker 1: never happened. And that's a rule. Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: that Asians, thank you one of my best. Okay, So
Speaker 1: is it time for Katie dash Craft en queen? I
Speaker 1: don't think so. When your time starts now, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is one that's been sort of brewing with me. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, Angelina Jolie, Okay, I you little,
Speaker 1: skinny faced, big lipped, not a lot going on. And
Speaker 1: here's the thing. If you put up anyone next to
Speaker 1: my favorite woman in the world, Jennifer Anison, it's going
Speaker 1: to be Jennifer Andison eleven times out of ten. All right.
Speaker 1: She is funny, she is charismatic. You've never made me laugh.
Speaker 1: Angelina Jolie, you're getting so serious and you're just collecting
Speaker 1: children from all over the world, which I think is weird.
Speaker 1: And also one time you were in a movie where
Speaker 1: you played a weather woman and it's the only movie
Speaker 1: I've ever rented. And then I turned it off and
Speaker 1: I had nothing else to do. And this is also
Speaker 1: before the internet, So I just sat at home and
Speaker 1: I just think that you knew um are sulking throughout
Speaker 1: the world and I don't appreciate it, and move, get
Speaker 1: leave France, Angelina and Charlie, I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: come back five seconds to America and face your fears.
Speaker 1: That's one minute. Honestly, movie was called life or something like.
Speaker 1: It was the worst movie I've ever seen. She had
Speaker 1: a blond wig. Oh it was so bad. Sulking around
Speaker 1: the world, that's what she does. She has dark energy
Speaker 1: for sure, and it's not and it's not fun energy.
Speaker 1: She was fun to me in one movie and that
Speaker 1: was Mr. And Mrs. Smith. She really was funny to
Speaker 1: me in that movie. She she has such dark energy
Speaker 1: and it's like not, it's not um like spooky fun.
Speaker 1: It's literally just like, oh, this kid's dying all over
Speaker 1: there and you're just like, Okay, Angelina, She's it's it's
Speaker 1: very apparent that like, oh, you grew up in in
Speaker 1: show biz, You're you have daddy issues, but your family
Speaker 1: is rich and and you're you're finding I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's yeah, she I never really loved stand Angelina, know.
Speaker 1: I just I'm such a gen girl. I've always been
Speaker 1: team and because here's the thing I think we want
Speaker 1: about her, But she's having fun. My thing with Jennifer
Speaker 1: Anderson is it always feel like she just had a
Speaker 1: glass and a half of wine. And I love that, Yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: And at any time she's had a glass and a
Speaker 1: half of Pinot Griggio and she is living in it.
Speaker 1: And she's also like always friends with people, like everyone's
Speaker 1: always like Jen's my good friend or like it's not
Speaker 1: founded on anything, but like I feel like she's just
Speaker 1: a friend, where I feel like Angelina is like not
Speaker 1: a friend. See, I've heard things about both of them,
Speaker 1: about people who have dealt with them personally. And I've
Speaker 1: heard that Jennifer Aniston can drink like a fucking tank
Speaker 1: good and she'll be changed smoking cigarettes and like talking
Speaker 1: to you about you. And I've heard that Angelia Jolie
Speaker 1: is legit like mom first, like it's not not seppic,
Speaker 1: and that she is a huge fan of Survivor and
Speaker 1: what you like and which I kind of love that
Speaker 1: she like stands this, But I feel like that's an
Speaker 1: alien coming down to Earth and being like what do
Speaker 1: humans and what is the reality shows here? Survivor? They
Speaker 1: must have lived on an island things and I can
Speaker 1: be a good mother. Yeah, she's iconic. I would say this.
Speaker 1: They're both iconic, and we don't have to compare them,
Speaker 1: but we do. I will say Angelina is an icon,
Speaker 1: but not a fun icon. It depends on what you
Speaker 1: find fun. If you find like car chases and like
Speaker 1: guns fun, then Angelina Jolie is like the person for
Speaker 1: you if you think Pinot Grigio is fun and someone
Speaker 1: like literally like hiding under a bed to get away from,
Speaker 1: like someone who comes into a bedroom and she shouldn't
Speaker 1: be there. That's Jennifer. Like, um, Angelina Jolie gives me
Speaker 1: like dark red fingernail energy girl who plays the violin,
Speaker 1: you know, and that the type of girl that people like.
Speaker 1: And I'm not that people. Honestly, it's kind of crazy
Speaker 1: because Jennifer Anison is the ted cheerleader and Angelina Jolie
Speaker 1: is the goth girl. But I feel that like mainstream
Speaker 1: America as kind of like really split and been like
Speaker 1: we like the goth girl, like the head cheerleader, which
Speaker 1: actually is a progression because ordinarily you just go right
Speaker 1: with the head cheer but Angelina Julie has like the dark.
Speaker 1: They truly are two sides of the same coin, which
Speaker 1: is what made that whole Brad Pitt thinks so crazy.
Speaker 1: It's very Jackie Maryland, very Jackie Maryland. But yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: but also reversed and that Jackie was the dark one,
Speaker 1: but the kind I think Marylyn is. I was going
Speaker 1: to say that Marylyn was the dark was the energy
Speaker 1: you tell me more. My Marilyn Monroe is av Levin
Speaker 1: and vice versa. The same, Yeah, the same thought here,
Speaker 1: the same thought. I think we should forget itis Asians
Speaker 1: out there. We got to forgive Avril for the hell
Speaker 1: of Kati video. No, we don't. It's time and it's
Speaker 1: time for us. Oh my god, because av little mama. Yes, Mama,
Speaker 1: Mama to people who are extinct, well, mama does have
Speaker 1: been fun fun line and that and that and that
Speaker 1: girlfriend remakes where she goes something something something. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: like Jennifer girls came out. I'm telling you, Jennifer, do
Speaker 1: you guys remember that Robin song? And she doesn't duet
Speaker 1: with um, you guys are just the Rabbit concert. She
Speaker 1: doesn't do it with um, Oh my gosh. Oh and
Speaker 1: it's like do do do? Do I actually the world's
Speaker 1: worst voice? That's no. Yes, Well we're gonna put it
Speaker 1: to the text in just a second. No, I get
Speaker 1: I can't remember the song. Whatever, Well it's out there somewhere.
Speaker 1: Look up. Robin duets everyone. Um, this was truly such
Speaker 1: a fun. This was this is really wonderful. Um. I
Speaker 1: just adore both of you and love you, and I
Speaker 1: feel like I should we just known each other for
Speaker 1: a we always we've loved I've loved something like the
Speaker 1: film with Christmas Scott Thomas. Yes, I do remember that.
Speaker 1: That was the French one. Yes, yes, And I saw
Speaker 1: that by myself in theaters back when I was seeing
Speaker 1: serious movies by myself and trying to be a serious
Speaker 1: little little boy. I was renting it from the library.
Speaker 1: I rent it from the way. Um it's Katie Ruth,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, and look out for Ramsey. Yes
Speaker 1: it's coming, and um we do end every episode with
Speaker 1: a song yeah, yeah, yeah, and now we can. This
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