Speaker 1: Also media.
Speaker 2: Ah, thanks very thanks for coming in with me on
Speaker 2: that one, Jamie's that was really helpful. I think we really,
Speaker 2: I think we knocked it out of the park. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that wouldn't have worked without you, you know, just one
Speaker 2: person kind of a tonally going ah nothing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of you was great.
Speaker 2: One of us is great. And you know what's not great.
Speaker 2: Sophie has a dying squirrel on her property.
Speaker 3: We're gonna know, this is like ruined my entire Nay, Cannon.
Speaker 2: It's cannon. Now, Sophie, it's cannon.
Speaker 3: You're going to give it a name so it feels worse. No, sorry,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: How about Elizabeth Elizabeth the squirrel? Oh no, Elizabeth the
Speaker 2: terminally ill squirrel.
Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred per centuries dying, but he's stuff
Speaker 1: really not moving very much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's usually not a good sign for something like
Speaker 2: a squirrel.
Speaker 3: Elizabeth has a lot of unfinished business. This is really sad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she didn't get her will prepared.
Speaker 3: Robert, I just need you to come.
Speaker 1: I just need you to come over here and do
Speaker 1: the humane thing because I'm a wolf.
Speaker 2: I mean, kill it with a rock alleged. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean I don't know what else to do with, you know,
Speaker 2: suffering little animals. But yeah, when I lived, when I
Speaker 2: lived in the middle of nowhere, there would be lots
Speaker 2: of dead animals by or dying animals by the side
Speaker 2: of the road when I was on my runs, so
Speaker 2: I would have to be like usually, if I was
Speaker 2: doing a long enough run, I'd have to do at
Speaker 2: least one euthanasia on the way. It's like a fucking
Speaker 2: rabbit with its back legs crushed, should probably take care
Speaker 2: of this.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, that's an important part of her daily exercise regime.
Speaker 2: Take a life is yeah, euthanasia.
Speaker 3: When I was little, I had an outdoor cat, which
Speaker 3: we shouldn't have had. And here's why. There was one
Speaker 3: day I was like, something smelled weird in my yard
Speaker 3: and I found that my cat had like a massive
Speaker 3: like corpse pile, like he had symbol.
Speaker 2: He was making his own a bone temple like in
Speaker 2: the New twenty eight Years Later movie.
Speaker 3: I didn't understand at the time, but I was like, Wow,
Speaker 3: he just did that because he loved me so much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he loves you so much. He wanted you to
Speaker 2: have all of the corpses you need, you know, And
Speaker 2: that's not you know how many how many, how many
Speaker 2: guys will do that for you, right, you know that's why,
Speaker 2: that's why we have pets.
Speaker 3: That's the main problem. I haven't seen the movie yet.
Speaker 3: Is it like all I've seen is like clickbait about
Speaker 3: it being like zombies with their cocks out?
Speaker 2: Is that actually there's a lot of dicks? You know?
Speaker 2: When I heard that, I was like, we're probably gonna
Speaker 2: get one brief glimpse of a huge fucking monster hog.
Speaker 2: But no, they really there's a lot of cock in
Speaker 2: the New twenty eight movie.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that they didn't undersell it. Okay, no, well.
Speaker 2: No, no, there's there's a there's more more dick than
Speaker 2: you're expecting. That maybe less dick than I would have preferred,
Speaker 2: but more than you're expecting for sure.
Speaker 3: Okay, I will I will go. I haven't seen the
Speaker 3: first two, but I love coming in at movie three
Speaker 3: or four.
Speaker 2: It's okay, you're not gonna you know what a zombie
Speaker 2: movie is. It's set after a zombie apocalypse in England.
Speaker 2: That's all you need to know.
Speaker 3: Right, there's there's enough like a need for context in
Speaker 3: our day to day work. I'm like, I'm not trying
Speaker 3: to learn more for fun. No, I'm not.
Speaker 2: Showing other than I guess. In the twenty eight movies,
Speaker 2: the zombies aren't dead. They're just like people who have
Speaker 2: like a weird blood borne illness, so they're still alive.
Speaker 3: So there are people with their cocks out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're people with their cocks out, but it's okay.
Speaker 2: They had a child on set, so all the dicks
Speaker 2: are fake photo realistic with their fake I know, I
Speaker 2: don't know, but that's the way. That's the way movie
Speaker 2: law works. Apparently I was reading it because they were like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we had the main characters a kid, so there's always
Speaker 2: a kid on set, so we can't have any real
Speaker 2: dicks hag it out. But we can't have everyone wearing
Speaker 2: full time photorealistic penises that are faked.
Speaker 3: Why child stardom should be illegal?
Speaker 2: That is.
Speaker 3: Ever heard. Look, they're like, no, you can't, you can't. Actually,
Speaker 3: that can't have been a traumatizing thing for you. The
Speaker 3: dicks weren't real.
Speaker 2: Kids, dix weren't real. Didn't you guess that they were fake?
Speaker 2: Cot Like, it's so funny.
Speaker 3: It's just so like an actor try to like comfort
Speaker 3: a child actor to be like no, no, no, it's
Speaker 3: not real, and then pulling the fake dick off of
Speaker 3: your body, like how is it?
Speaker 2: It's so fad?
Speaker 3: How did we get here?
Speaker 1: I know I'm distracted by the dying squirrel, but what
Speaker 1: is happening?
Speaker 2: People were just talking about movies, Sophie, because we really
Speaker 2: don't want to talk about the subject of today's episodes.
Speaker 3: Oh no, okay.
Speaker 2: Peter he Seth, Okay, I could.
Speaker 3: Have taken a worse turn, a worse turn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd rather talk about zombie dicks than Pete egg Seth.
Speaker 3: That's true. I mean Pete had the keg Seth is bad.
Speaker 3: I was. I was worried that we were heading Teal.
Speaker 2: But uh no, no, we've done Teal, We've done.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was like, I was like, is there more?
Speaker 3: You're good at the Peter Teel addendum episode? Okay, yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: uh so yeah, let's let's let's get into it.
Speaker 2: I guess that's the cold open done. You're welcome for
Speaker 2: all the dick talk.
Speaker 3: We're back, okay, And well now I'm nice and warm
Speaker 3: to be made less horny than I've ever been in
Speaker 3: my entire life. Right, and a guy give any war
Speaker 3: crimes in real time. What a thrill.
Speaker 2: I'm going to give you me a kolpi here. I
Speaker 2: had initially planned for this to just be a book episode,
Speaker 2: reading Pete Hegseth's terrible fascist book American Crusade, which unfortunately
Speaker 2: people do need to be aware of because he's the
Speaker 2: Secretary of Defense now. But then I wound up needing
Speaker 2: to give extra context, and so there is My initial
Speaker 2: thing was like, he's not really interesting enough for two
Speaker 2: episodes on the Motherfucker just as a person. He's not
Speaker 2: that interesting. But anyway, I wound up it's kind of
Speaker 2: a hybrid book bTB episode, so you know, there's there's
Speaker 2: research here. There's also just a lot of chunks of
Speaker 2: his book that we'll be talking about because they matter.
Speaker 2: It's just a little bit of a weird episode, but
Speaker 2: I did it.
Speaker 3: Okay, when did the book come out?
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty? Okay, yeah, yeah, American Crusade was his like
Speaker 2: election tie in book. So one of the funny things
Speaker 2: that you repeatedly come across is his dire warnings that like,
Speaker 2: if the Republicans don't win in twenty twenty, the whole
Speaker 2: country's over, which like, yeah, I some of this is
Speaker 2: like not aged well, but it also it's also a
Speaker 2: very like fascist Christian nationalist book that makes it very
Speaker 2: clear what kind of country Pete Hegseeth wants to use
Speaker 2: his powers to his Secretary of Defense to further right,
Speaker 2: because that's.
Speaker 3: Published like about midway through his his run on Fox News.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, he starts in twenty fourteen, but he's just
Speaker 2: initially kind of a commentator. We'll talk about all that. So, okay,
Speaker 2: Pete Hegseth, our current secretary of Defense? Is it, you know, embarrassing? Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 2: And he writes in twenty twenty a manifesto slash book
Speaker 2: called American Crusade, which is one of those both like
Speaker 2: tie in, I'm trying to get more into politics. This
Speaker 2: is back when he was really fishing in the first
Speaker 2: Trump ad men to be made sec deaf and there
Speaker 2: were still too many adults in the room at that
Speaker 2: point for him to get made Secretary of Defense. Because
Speaker 2: as his backstory that I'm gonna give briefly will make clear,
Speaker 2: this is not a man who's ever been reliable in
Speaker 2: a position of power.
Speaker 3: Right, I guess it never occurred to me that he
Speaker 3: could be No, I guess he's held down a job technically,
Speaker 3: not even.
Speaker 2: Really, No, not even really actually unless you count Fox
Speaker 2: News as a job, but even that not really Okay.
Speaker 2: So Peter heg Seth was born on June sixth, nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Dad, Yes, yeah, he's.
Speaker 3: Already like old fascists. He's aging terribly.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, he looks like shit. Yes, that's kind
Speaker 2: of what happens when you drink the way Pete Hegseth drinks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough. Wow, I would have guessed he's at
Speaker 3: least ten years older. Yeah, I was like Jamie shocked
Speaker 3: at the video, but all.
Speaker 2: The Yeah, I mean, it doesn't it's not. He's not
Speaker 2: like the most obvious Minneapolis guy. But I'm not shocked
Speaker 2: to hear that he's from Minneapolis, right that.
Speaker 3: That was not the shock. It was that he's under fifty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's under fifty, much younger than you'd expect. His
Speaker 2: dad was a basketball coach for high school, which you know,
Speaker 2: he's got son of a fucking high school coach energy
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Mom, how many crimes could be prevented if you're
Speaker 3: if daddy didn't bench you, Daddy.
Speaker 2: Didn't bench you. Well, here's the other thing. What's the
Speaker 2: only thing that a parent could be that's worse than
Speaker 2: a high school sports coach? And it's his mom was
Speaker 2: an executive business coach even worse. Somehow they found a
Speaker 2: worst kind of coach to be.
Speaker 3: What does that even mean? That's like a made up That.
Speaker 2: Means that you get paid like a mid six figure
Speaker 2: income for sitting in a room and going, oh, that's
Speaker 2: a good idea. Uh, that's that's it.
Speaker 1: Basically does boss whom is girl off?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's a consultant, that's what she does.
Speaker 3: I love. Yeah, it's like the job we're at. Like
Speaker 3: at the turn of this century, you'd be like, hey,
Speaker 3: have you considered firing people and replacing more people?
Speaker 2: What if we outsourced? And now they're all saying what
Speaker 2: if AI? Right, Like it's it's just it's just people
Speaker 2: who come from good families that have connections but don't
Speaker 2: have any skills. That's the executive business coach community position,
Speaker 2: the consultant community. Right. So his family, they have money
Speaker 2: and they have very strong conservative bonafidees, right Like his
Speaker 2: mom and dad are both very strong Republicans and politically involved.
Speaker 2: Pete graduates from the Forest Lake Area High School in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine, is valedictorian. He is good at something.
Speaker 2: At one point in his life as an adult, he
Speaker 2: goes to Princeton where he helps to run and again
Speaker 2: family Money, where he helps to run the school's conservative newspaper.
Speaker 2: He becomes editor eventually of like the right wing paper
Speaker 2: on campus. As editor, he like publishes a promise that
Speaker 2: he will defend Western civilization from quote the distractions of diversity.
Speaker 3: So like, I know that they're everywhere, I'm aware that
Speaker 3: they're but I'm still so disturbed by like just the
Speaker 3: idea of a young, like a teenage Republican is such
Speaker 3: a bizarre image to me. It's like seeing a twin
Speaker 3: at age sixty. Yeah, you don't want to imagine them
Speaker 3: that young.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't want to, but you have to because
Speaker 2: they're there. And it's what Pete's going to He's going
Speaker 2: to try a couple of things later in life, Like
Speaker 2: he's initially kind of more on the Republican mainstream side
Speaker 2: of things that gets eaten up by Trump. So he
Speaker 2: has to a big part of this book we're going
Speaker 2: to read is him like giving his mea culpa of like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, I was a rhino. I was lost, and
Speaker 2: then I realized, you know, Donald Trump really was, you know,
Speaker 2: our brilliant savior and stuff. And one of the points
Speaker 2: that I think his backstory makes is that he was
Speaker 2: always pretty extreme conservative. Like the whole reason why he
Speaker 2: wouldn't have gotten behind Trump is that he didn't believe
Speaker 2: Trump was really a conservative until it became clear that
Speaker 2: Trump was going to win. But like the weird right
Speaker 2: wing stuff, the hatred of diversity that's been there his
Speaker 2: whole life. Like he talks about himself as if he'd
Speaker 2: been a political as a young man, but he never
Speaker 2: really was.
Speaker 3: Well no, yeah, if he's he's the editor of the
Speaker 3: conservative Princeton papers.
Speaker 2: Sure is, and yeah, that's just a bad group of
Speaker 2: people to exist under his guidance. The paper attacked halle
Speaker 2: Berry for accepting an oscar over her performance in Monsters
Speaker 2: Ball because it was racist, oh, against white people. I
Speaker 2: think I don't know, I didn't need to feel the
Speaker 2: need to go and read that article, but yeah, that's
Speaker 2: the kind of like conservative paper.
Speaker 1: This is.
Speaker 2: It's like it's time to go to war with halle
Speaker 2: Berry for her oscar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I imagine conservative papers there like that are just
Speaker 3: like ninety percent vaguely racist editorials.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah. During his time as editor, Hegseth published
Speaker 2: another student's commentary mocking the school's policy that sex with
Speaker 2: an unconscious partner should count as rape. An article for
Speaker 2: The New Yorkers cites jud Leghum's newsletter Popular Information when
Speaker 2: he summarized the article, and hegcest paper this way. The
Speaker 2: commentary claim that rape required both a failure to consent
Speaker 2: and duress, which a passed how woman couldn't experience So great, guy, Pete, Yeah,
Speaker 2: put a pin in that because we'll talk about some
Speaker 2: sex crimesies.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, I mean really he really walks the walk
Speaker 3: in that regard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, allegedly.
Speaker 3: Yeah sure. It's so like, I don't know, the fact
Speaker 3: that you're thinking about doing that so much that you
Speaker 3: publish like essentially intent is just like it's mind.
Speaker 2: Blowing, Yeah, the whole like, yeah, well, they can't be
Speaker 2: sad if they're unconscious. It's just like the darkest, evilest
Speaker 2: way to make that argument. It's somehow worse than like
Speaker 2: arguing like oh no, they they they wanted it secretly.
Speaker 2: It's just like they, oh, because they're unconscious. It doesn't.
Speaker 2: What the fuck man, how do you write that and
Speaker 2: not burst into flames? I mean, yeah, so I can
Speaker 2: like tattoo you if you pass out drunk, and that's legal,
Speaker 2: right because you're not aware of it.
Speaker 3: Because you're not right. That's it's just like, well if
Speaker 3: if you're quote unquote asleep, anything that happens, it's like
Speaker 3: the international waters of consent, like it's fucking crazy sane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you if you try to extend that anywhere else,
Speaker 2: it just becomes increasing like it's it's just nuts.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. And of course, like that rule wouldn't apply
Speaker 3: to him. If yeah, if.
Speaker 2: If you drew a dick on Pete heg'sa's face when
Speaker 2: he's passed out drunk in a Pentagon closet, you would
Speaker 2: get in trouble.
Speaker 3: Drone strike you, Yeah, drone strike your house.
Speaker 2: He would try to. So Pete is, in short, exactly
Speaker 2: the kind of right wing dipshit you'd expect him to
Speaker 2: be as a kid based on his current trajectory. He
Speaker 2: goes on to work in finance. He works for Bear
Speaker 2: that's his first job out of college, Just fucking Bear Stern,
Speaker 2: great stuff. And he volunteers for the National Guard because
Speaker 2: nine to eleven, and he winds up well, he gets
Speaker 2: into ROTC first when he's in college, but then he
Speaker 2: joins the National Guard as he's starting his fintech career,
Speaker 2: and after a year or so, I think his fintech
Speaker 2: career is interrupted when he deploys to Iraq, uh. So
Speaker 2: he does a tour there, which we will talk about later.
Speaker 2: This comes up in the book, so i'll talk a little.
Speaker 2: I'll talk more about Hegsat's military career in that portion.
Speaker 2: But after doing his tour, he winds up back in
Speaker 2: New York, where he's just kind of like, then, this
Speaker 2: is not an uncommon thing. He does seek combat a
Speaker 2: lot of combat vets when they come back, like the
Speaker 2: things really get bad for them, you know, not when
Speaker 2: they're over there and not when they're in the ship.
Speaker 2: When you wind up like just kind of locking yourself
Speaker 2: alone in an apartment, and yeah, he starts drinking very heavily. Again,
Speaker 2: not an uncommon story. He feels aimless and eventually solves
Speaker 2: this by taking a job. Initially, he's like volunteering as
Speaker 2: an assistant director at Vets for Freedom, which is a
Speaker 2: five oh one C four group that he ultimately comes
Speaker 2: to lead as the paid director of the organization.
Speaker 3: It's no good because while he was in New York,
Speaker 3: he could have just like gone to see Rent on Broadway.
Speaker 2: On Rent, he could have developed a fatal addiction to Heroin.
Speaker 3: You know, you you know, like he could have seen.
Speaker 2: Alone off Broadway, you know, just just finally slip away,
Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, he just.
Speaker 3: Go see Billy Elliott, you know, have a wine spritzer
Speaker 3: calling a day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yours is nicer than mine. But sure.
Speaker 2: So this is like a very political five oh one
Speaker 2: C four in like a shitty way. They spend millions
Speaker 2: of dollars doing a PR campaign to support the surge
Speaker 2: in Iraq. They spend another several million attacking Barack Obama's candidacy.
Speaker 2: So this is like a right wing vets org. And
Speaker 2: despite the fact that he winds up running it, he
Speaker 2: is awful at this job. It is a disaster for
Speaker 2: the VFF. He runs up massive debts, he takes them
Speaker 2: into the red by well, part of it is, you know,
Speaker 2: they're carrying out these massive PR campaigns, but part of
Speaker 2: it is that he treats the organization's bank account allegedly
Speaker 2: like a personal party fund, right like he's spending it,
Speaker 2: he's traveling, he's doing a lot of drinking, good partying.
Speaker 2: A lot of people are right. There's allegations and we'll
Speaker 2: hear more allegations about the next org that he's involved in.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this does not go well and he's kind
Speaker 2: of his tenure is disastrous for the VFF.
Speaker 3: Okay, So this is all in the mid two thousands.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the mid auts two thousand and eight is when
Speaker 2: he got married. In like tas and four and two
Speaker 2: thousand and eight, his first wife files for divorce after
Speaker 2: he admits to cheating on her repeatedly, once with a
Speaker 2: journalist he'd introduced to her. Yeah, so he gets left
Speaker 2: a couple of years later or forced out of VFF.
Speaker 2: You'll hear both things, either that he left or that
Speaker 2: he's forced out. Anyway, he's gone.
Speaker 3: From VFFA so sad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he attempts to run for Senate in Minnesota,
Speaker 2: which we will talk about later. It doesn't work, right,
Speaker 2: He's bad at this. So since he's failed at everything else,
Speaker 2: he volunteers for another tour in Afghanistan. He does another
Speaker 2: a tour in Afghanistan, he's promoted to major. He comes
Speaker 2: back to the US, and in twenty twelve, he forms
Speaker 2: a pack to help like minded conservative candidates. Per The
Speaker 2: New Yorker. According to a report by American Public Media,
Speaker 2: a third of the funds in Hegseth's pack were spent
Speaker 2: on parties for his friends and family, in less than
Speaker 2: half was spent on candidates.
Speaker 3: So he sucks because it was like, like, I'm not
Speaker 3: against this money being misused for parties.
Speaker 2: It's much better than if it's used appropriately, right, because
Speaker 2: it's a shitty organization, they both are, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like it should you know, it should be spent
Speaker 3: on fancy food and alcohol.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, it's also it's just extremely funny to me, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he now has a pattern and it's either start or
Speaker 2: get you know, promoted to leading a charitable organization and
Speaker 2: then spend its money getting hammered. Cool as hell. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So is he.
Speaker 3: Like is he so twenty twelve? Is this like tea
Speaker 3: party era? Like who is who is he running with?
Speaker 3: Who's his crowd?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah the tea party. Tea party has started
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago at this point. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: this is like that's all happening at this stage and
Speaker 2: he's when he loses his candidacy. It's to like the
Speaker 2: Ron Paul Organization backed candidate because he's like he's still
Speaker 2: too much establishment neocon. You know, he's a bush conservative
Speaker 2: at this point, which we used to see is extreme.
Speaker 2: But oh how the turn have table.
Speaker 3: Now they're just wittle guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just widow guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got look at it. I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I feel like some people not to put him in
Speaker 3: a box. Oh, but let's do it. Yeah, something about
Speaker 3: like guys that have like there it looks like their
Speaker 3: hair is just like welded to their head.
Speaker 2: You're like, I don't trust there on there.
Speaker 3: Like whatever product not. I mean, I know he by
Speaker 3: being a fascist honestly, but also you have to imagine
Speaker 3: some chemicals are seeping into the scalp there with that,
Speaker 3: what with the hair being welded directly.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, no, no, no, no, they're getting in. That's
Speaker 2: that's what happened to Rudy Giuliani, Right, He had the
Speaker 2: same haircare routine as Pete. Hegseth and a lot of
Speaker 2: it leaked out of him, you know, and when he
Speaker 2: lost his goo, that's when he started losing all those
Speaker 2: lawsuits the goo was what was protecting him from the lawsuits.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the goo is protecting him from being tricked into
Speaker 3: being in Borat two a loa in more ways than one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was load bearing goo, brutal Jesus Christ. I
Speaker 2: forgot that happened. Fucking Juliani.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, this bitch will do anything.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll need to do an episode on of him
Speaker 2: when it's time for us to, like when when everyone's
Speaker 2: morale is even lower and we really need we need
Speaker 2: to win, like a happy episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's just like no failure, Like there's
Speaker 3: it's fun. It's fun to do an episode where there's
Speaker 3: just no shortage of els sprinkled between their.
Speaker 2: Christ It's nothing but else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, who was he was?
Speaker 1: He the saddest person we saw at the He was
Speaker 1: He wasn't my pillow guy.
Speaker 2: He was my pillow guy. Was sadder because Juliani at least,
Speaker 2: like I had a nice fight with Rudy Giuliani, and
Speaker 2: like I did enjoy the fact that, like unlike every
Speaker 2: other major figure there that you would like try to engage,
Speaker 2: they were too pr trained and too smart to really
Speaker 2: want to get into it with some journalists. But Rudy
Speaker 2: was to me like, oh, yeah, let's fucking brawl. What
Speaker 2: did you fight with Rudy about Ukraine? We had like
Speaker 2: tished an episode it could happen here about it, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we had like a fucking ten or fifteen minute like.
Speaker 3: He was just hanging around the like radio because.
Speaker 2: He wasn't welcome in the real conviction because the art. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean, and he was bored as hell.
Speaker 3: God. They should do a sequel to the James Wood
Speaker 3: Rudy Giuliani movie.
Speaker 2: Oh god, I forgot that existed. Holy shit. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: know bag when he was America's mayor.
Speaker 3: Fuck me, yeah, I mean it's a very sincere movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sincerely stupid as shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, called America's mayor.
Speaker 2: No, I mean that's what we it might be, but
Speaker 2: that's what we call Rudy. Growing up as a conservative.
Speaker 3: Like that go around too. I like that city that's
Speaker 3: got a dog for mayor.
Speaker 2: I think, Yeah, I don't think mayor should be legal
Speaker 2: or I think we should. I think we should have,
Speaker 2: like you know, some of those cultures that would like
Speaker 2: ritualistically kill their leaders, that's what we should do to
Speaker 2: mayor's should be built into legal system that we had,
Speaker 2: like a Wickerman after every mayor's term.
Speaker 3: That's Santa University rules. At the end, get university rules.
Speaker 3: You get one year tenure of Santa and then you're
Speaker 3: publicly executed.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that we that's that's that's how we
Speaker 2: should that. That's like when we write our new constitution.
Speaker 2: That's how our elected leaders should work. Yeah, we're now
Speaker 2: doing a Wickerman for everybody.
Speaker 3: Oh you care, what are you willing to put on
Speaker 3: the line.
Speaker 2: You were a great alder man. Unfortunately your years up
Speaker 2: at every level, at every level, the fucking school board.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the comptroller and like, sorry, brother.
Speaker 2: Look, would it be a good system? No? Would it
Speaker 2: work better than our current system? Maybe?
Speaker 3: Look, I think it's worth a shot.
Speaker 2: Perhaps.
Speaker 3: I think it's worth a shot, and it would really
Speaker 3: bring people together for particular individuals.
Speaker 2: Speaking of things that bring people together, Jamie, the products
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Speaker 3: I love to gather around a good product or service
Speaker 3: with my loved ones.
Speaker 2: Gather around be warmed by it.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, just like the corpse of a squirrel.
Speaker 2: Like the corpse of a squirrel.
Speaker 1: Damn it, guy, we're back.
Speaker 2: Sophie is still not happy.
Speaker 3: No, can you see it from your window? No, not
Speaker 3: from not from where I am. But okay, but that's probably.
Speaker 3: But I can see it in here. Elizabeth the Squirrel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was a Fulbright scholar, Sophie Jesus fun.
Speaker 3: She had a huge future ahead of hers. I really sad.
Speaker 2: It's very tragic. Yeah, speaking of things that are tragic,
Speaker 2: the fact that Pete Hegseth exists.
Speaker 3: The fact that Pete hegg Seth sentence.
Speaker 2: In twenty fourteen, heg Seth started making appearances on Fox News,
Speaker 2: and he was initially usually like a pinch hitter, right,
Speaker 2: he was even't have a show. He would come and
Speaker 2: be a talking head on segments. Right, He's a veteran.
Speaker 2: He leads a veterans organizations to talk about this. Right.
Speaker 2: He's doing that for a while, off and on, and
Speaker 2: you know, he's he's he's got whatever Fox likes, right,
Speaker 2: He's he's enough like of a Okay, this this guy
Speaker 2: is what our audience considers like a straight laced looking
Speaker 2: military man. So yeah, we'll throw him in whenever we
Speaker 2: need somebody.
Speaker 3: The helmet hair. It's the I feel like everyone at
Speaker 3: Fox News has the same lukewarm soup they bring to lunch, Yes,
Speaker 3: lukeworm soup and brown alcohol.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's that's precisely right. And for Hegseth, it's
Speaker 2: basically all brown liquor. So he helps to lead. He
Speaker 2: also in this time he gets hired to lead another
Speaker 2: veterans organization CVA, or the Concerned Veterans for America. So
Speaker 2: here he exhibits the same kind of incompetence and corruption
Speaker 2: that had seen him pushed out of the VFF. He was,
Speaker 2: in fact, party is so bad, oh Jamie. Not just parties,
Speaker 2: it's there's so much about how bad he is at
Speaker 2: this job. There is an internal whistleblower report that's commissioned
Speaker 2: about his three year tenure leading the organization. I'm going
Speaker 2: to read a summary from an article in The New
Speaker 2: Yorker of like what this report reveals. The detailed seven
Speaker 2: page report, which was compiled by multiple formal CVA employees
Speaker 2: and sent to the organization's senior management in February twenty fifteen,
Speaker 2: states that at one point Hegseth had to be restrained
Speaker 2: while drunk, from joining the dancers on the stage of
Speaker 2: a Louisiana strip club where he had brought his team
Speaker 2: The report also says that Hegseth, who was married at
Speaker 2: the time, and other members of his management team sexually
Speaker 2: pursued the org organization's female staffers, who they divided into
Speaker 2: two groups, the party Girls and the not Party Girls.
Speaker 2: In addition, the report asserts that under Hegseth's leadership, the
Speaker 2: organization became a hostile workplace that ignored serious accusations of impropriety,
Speaker 2: including an allegation made by a female employee that another
Speaker 2: employee on Hegseth's staff had attempted to sexually assault her
Speaker 2: at the Louisiana Strip Club and a separate letter of
Speaker 2: complaint which was sent to the organization in late twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2: A different employee described Hegseth being at a bar in
Speaker 2: the early morning hours of May twenty ninth, twenty fifteen,
Speaker 2: while on an official tour through Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio, drunkenly
Speaker 2: chanting kill a Muslim.
Speaker 3: Oh cool guy, Wow, yes, shocking. He found time for
Speaker 3: all of that.
Speaker 2: First of all, I do. Most of that's not enjoyable,
Speaker 2: but it is funny to be How often the words
Speaker 2: Louisiana Strip club show up in this article on beat Hegsath.
Speaker 3: You didn't learn so much. I mean, and did he tip?
Speaker 3: That's something anything.
Speaker 2: Strip took away. There's no single way, so Jamie, sorry.
Speaker 3: One, it's an honor. It's an honor. We are one.
Speaker 3: Thank you, we are one. It's that's miserable. I mean, there,
Speaker 3: this is the way that a person acts when they
Speaker 3: can't live with themselves. Yeah, if nothing else, but there,
Speaker 3: I mean, there's just so many levels there because it's
Speaker 3: like in one way he's engaging in this very I
Speaker 3: don't know, like this very fraternity but also sorority behavior
Speaker 3: like the party girls versus non party girl sounds like
Speaker 3: some Regina George shit, Like that's just bizarre.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's just gross dude stuff,
Speaker 2: right Like we got the party girls that we hire
Speaker 2: because you know, you hire them because you would have
Speaker 2: fuck them, right Like. That's that's what's going on in
Speaker 2: this group right now. That's his management style, and.
Speaker 3: It's and it's rich that he thinks he could, like
Speaker 3: you know, weed out a competent employee from a non
Speaker 3: competent one, given the fact that he seems like unable
Speaker 3: to do a single job that he has no.
Speaker 2: No, no, Because again, it's all about just getting drunk
Speaker 2: and partying, right, and sexually harassing slash assaulting your colleagues
Speaker 2: and racism.
Speaker 3: Right, So he's he's a racist molester.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he gets he gets allegedly he gets kicked
Speaker 2: out in twenty sixteen. There are that we have in
Speaker 2: the record a bunch of celebratory emails from his former
Speaker 2: colleagues being like, thank god, that guy's out right. One
Speaker 2: of these messages includes the claim that he quote treated
Speaker 2: the organization funds like they were a personal expense account
Speaker 2: for partying, drinking, and using CVA events as little more
Speaker 2: than opportunities to hook up with women on the road.
Speaker 2: Who guy, So that's his third job, his third organization
Speaker 2: that he's been shitcanned from for massive corruption right through them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's just he's daring through these fucking things. I guess
Speaker 2: he doesn't get kicked out of the second because he
Speaker 2: starts in.
Speaker 3: Are these mostly like lateral moves? Is he like moving
Speaker 3: his way up the ranks in any way? Or is
Speaker 3: his Are these mostly just lateral?
Speaker 2: He's moved his way up at Fox's, he's getting more
Speaker 2: prominent within the conservative sphere because again, there's never any
Speaker 2: accountability to these guys. But like his former colleagues at
Speaker 2: these veterans organizations, even though they're all a lot conservative,
Speaker 2: are like this guy absolutely should never have any job
Speaker 2: with any responsibility. He's the worst.
Speaker 3: Well, Fox in twenty sixteen, it's all but like required
Speaker 3: that you have some priors at being sexy.
Speaker 2: Yes, you have the literal devil in your blood. Yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: In twenty seventeen, during a Flag Day event hosted by Fox,
Speaker 2: Hegseth threw an axe and accidentally hit an injuredy US
Speaker 2: Military Academy drummer, causing serious injuries. There's a lawsuit over this.
Speaker 2: He claims long term damage.
Speaker 3: Sorry, why was he throwing it? It's like there's like.
Speaker 2: Ax throwing going on, you know. It's like like the
Speaker 2: kind of hobby thing, and that he's just shit at
Speaker 2: it because he sucks at everything, and he hits this drummer.
Speaker 3: Boy, if you give an addict an axe.
Speaker 2: You know, so funny, it's so funny.
Speaker 3: God, did the drummer at least get a book deal?
Speaker 2: No? No, I think there's a settlement probably, but no,
Speaker 2: he doesn't get shit because again we don't as Americans. Look,
Speaker 2: you celebrate the person who throws axes. Not the person
Speaker 2: who's dumb enough to get hit by an axe because
Speaker 2: they happen to be doing their job and don't expect
Speaker 2: that the future Secretary of Defense will herald an axe
Speaker 2: at them.
Speaker 3: Wow, victim blaming our nation's great percussionists.
Speaker 2: How can you? Yeah, I'm always look, you know, this
Speaker 2: is the only time I'll be on Heckseth's side. But
Speaker 2: if the other thing is a band kid.
Speaker 3: I got okay, jealous jealous.
Speaker 2: Anti band kid ass.
Speaker 3: I pull up my obo case aarts shaking it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course it was an obo.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, away so high. No, he's Sophia. Unfortunately, he's right.
Speaker 3: I need to take that. I need to take No, No,
Speaker 3: you're right, you're right. I have to. Obo's are a
Speaker 3: big bisexual indicator. Historically, it's just true history. That's just
Speaker 3: that's history. Players sound off in the chest.
Speaker 2: There we go, There we go. The ob obon nation
Speaker 2: is going to fucking sound off.
Speaker 3: Is literally I think it's like Oba playing the Obo
Speaker 3: and like getting really into a series of unfortunate events
Speaker 3: or major millennial Yeah, bisexual indicators. Who can say why?
Speaker 2: Who can say saying that?
Speaker 3: Because those were your only off.
Speaker 2: Of us Yeah, there's gonna be a whole thread in
Speaker 2: the subreddit with like nine hundred replies about this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're unionizing as we speak.
Speaker 2: Everybody who felt weird reading the series of Unfortunate Event
Speaker 2: novels and yeah, played an obo or some kind of
Speaker 2: read instrument.
Speaker 3: So many crush options.
Speaker 2: Wow. So his career at Fox goes a lot better
Speaker 2: than his career leading you know, these organizations. He becomes
Speaker 2: an official co host in January of twenty seventeen, just
Speaker 2: as Trump begins his term, and he is able to
Speaker 2: get this job because he starts having sex with Initially,
Speaker 2: I think it's uh, I'm not sure. No, he would
Speaker 2: have been divorced by now. Anyway, he wounds up, winds
Speaker 2: up marrying the Fox producer Jennifer Roche keeps putting him
Speaker 2: on the air, and I think she's his third wife,
Speaker 2: maybe a second. He has three. He's been divorced like
Speaker 2: three times. So great guy. Anyway, he hooks up with
Speaker 2: this Fox producer who keeps putting him on the air,
Speaker 2: and so he bounces around a few different shows he's
Speaker 2: on regularly, and he kind of makes a point of
Speaker 2: just taking whatever is the most radical take that will
Speaker 2: learn him Trump's attention. It's just kind of like, I'm
Speaker 2: going to be a shameless boot licker on Fox because
Speaker 2: he watches Fox habitually, and so I want him to
Speaker 2: see me repeatedly being nice to him, right, And he's
Speaker 2: doing this to campaign to become the Secretary of Defense,
Speaker 2: which he can't manage during Trump's first term because Trump
Speaker 2: is still listening to a couple of adults a little
Speaker 2: too much who are like, I don't know, the guy
Speaker 2: who can't even run a fucking like in Goo without
Speaker 2: spinning all of the money on hookers and blow probably
Speaker 2: shouldn't be running the army. We have a lot more money.
Speaker 3: There's a lot better you like, So there's far better
Speaker 3: sex criminals to run.
Speaker 2: Ye, Yeah, we can find you sex criminals. Don't worry, you.
Speaker 3: Know, We're aware of what needs to happen.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah. So, as part of his ongoing attempt to
Speaker 2: both identify himself with the ascendant Christian nationalist movement and
Speaker 2: to force Trump to take note of him, in twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: he publishes the book American Crusade, right, which is what
Speaker 2: you know, kind of the core of our episodes this
Speaker 2: week are going to be about. So let's get into
Speaker 2: that wonderful book. American Crusade a nice innocuous title, so
Speaker 2: I suppose, first off, it's not surprising that this book
Speaker 2: starts off with a dedication to his family and his
Speaker 2: kids primarily. And his kids have his wives, really what
Speaker 2: I hear from him? They have the names you'd expect.
Speaker 2: You get a guess. Guess one of the names?
Speaker 1: I mean, before we start, should we show Jamie the
Speaker 1: fucking cover?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's show Jamie the cover? Why not? Why not? Jimi?
Speaker 2: You want to describe that to our listeners on who
Speaker 2: are listening because of a podcast, and you should watch
Speaker 2: it on video. Hello, video listeners, we love you.
Speaker 3: We love you so much. Stop looking at.
Speaker 2: Us, Stop looking at us, freaks.
Speaker 3: I'm guessing, Okay, I love you. Guess Uh Chase Griffin,
Speaker 3: uh Nathaniel.
Speaker 2: Damn Jamie. No, No, that's a bunch of big big l's. Yeah. No,
Speaker 2: first one which you should have gotten, Gunner, Okay.
Speaker 3: You should Havener Gunner Gunner Obama and.
Speaker 2: Gunner Jackson. Peter Boone. And that's the one he gives
Speaker 2: two names for us. I'm guessing his first name is
Speaker 2: Peter Boone. Kinsey, Luke, Rex and gwendolet and Little Nuke,
Speaker 2: Little Nuke, Gunner and Rex are released, sending me, Wow, Gunner,
Speaker 2: good stuff. Man, I'm surprised there's not a Hunter in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hunter, that's okay, that that I might have gotten
Speaker 3: to Hunter. This cover is is nuts. He can't be
Speaker 3: his body. That's not his body.
Speaker 2: He I mean, if he's on enough tested trend sure,
Speaker 2: I'm sure he's taken steroids.
Speaker 3: You know. I'm really struggling with like the neck to
Speaker 3: head ratio. Yes, that is.
Speaker 2: His shopping going down there. You can see a big
Speaker 2: WE the People tattoo on his forearm. He's like waving
Speaker 2: a flag. It's just like the dipshittiest cover.
Speaker 3: The angle of the WE the People tattoo only makes
Speaker 3: sense in the context of this picture. Like if he
Speaker 3: if this that was normally the ankle it was at,
Speaker 3: it would be crooked.
Speaker 1: But that's what But but this is clearly AI, this
Speaker 1: is this is this is not, this is this is
Speaker 1: not this is not his body. But there's there's things
Speaker 1: that we're done here.
Speaker 3: But I appreciate that. I would love to see him
Speaker 3: actually try to do this. At the top of it,
Speaker 3: it says and quote peoples. No punches with this book, yeah,
Speaker 3: Sean Hannity, Yeah, nice, No, it's always it's always fun
Speaker 3: with this stuff because you're like, there's no way Sean
Speaker 3: Hanndity wrote this book. But then in some ways there's
Speaker 3: no way that Pete Hegseth wrote this book. Do you
Speaker 3: think he could it was ghost written or do you
Speaker 3: think you wrote it? Let's let's let's let Robert and
Speaker 3: then he does.
Speaker 2: Right, you know, he's got this editorial position. He definitely
Speaker 2: writes some of it. I suspect it's a thing where
Speaker 2: it gets like, you know, massaged by a real writer,
Speaker 2: but there's a lot of it that seems very Pete right.
Speaker 2: In fact, the opening, after he lists his kids' names, uh,
Speaker 2: he gives a quote from Theodore Roosevelt. Right, Every chapter
Speaker 2: opens with a quote from a great American, usually Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: but this one's Theodore Roosevelt. There is not room in
Speaker 2: the country for any fifty to fifty American, nor can
Speaker 2: there be but one loyalty to the stars and stripes, right,
Speaker 2: which you know I might say that, well, if your
Speaker 2: loyalty is to your weird interpretation of Christianity over the Constitution,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe You're not one hundred anyway. Whatever, That's
Speaker 2: not how he sees it. So here's how the chapter opens,
Speaker 2: Our American Crusade. Chapter one, Take a moment to consider
Speaker 2: your part in the miracle of the twenty sixteen election,
Speaker 2: the history we made as sons and daughters of freedom.
Speaker 2: For the left, that humiliating defeat strengthened their resolve to
Speaker 2: achieve their ultimate goal, erasing America's soul, culture and institutions.
Speaker 2: We are the ones standing in their way and have
Speaker 2: been targeted for annihilation.
Speaker 3: Wow. I like that he adds it a little bit.
Speaker 3: He's like, on top of being a motherfucking piece of
Speaker 3: he's also kind of bitchy. He's like, I'm praying for
Speaker 3: my haters. I'm praying for all my haters on the left.
Speaker 2: Oh no, he's not praying for him.
Speaker 1: He is.
Speaker 2: This is a book about how we need to kill
Speaker 2: the left. Right that is his and like every allegation
Speaker 2: here is an admission. Right that Like, because he's constantly
Speaker 2: talking the left wants to kill us all though, they
Speaker 2: want to wipe us all out. That's why we have
Speaker 2: to have total victory against them. Right, It's like it's this,
Speaker 2: you know, they're as bad as we are, so we
Speaker 2: have to do to them what we wanted to do
Speaker 2: to him anyway. But we can pretend we're defending ourselves,
Speaker 2: right right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're even worse. We got to get him first.
Speaker 2: Yeah. He goes out a claim that we the people,
Speaker 2: we all feel that quote. The other side, the left
Speaker 2: is not our friend. We are not esteemed colleagues, nor
Speaker 2: mere political opponents. And I think this part is valuable.
Speaker 2: I think there's some of this that I really would
Speaker 2: like to shove in the hands of, like especially a
Speaker 2: lot of elected Democrats, because Hegseth very neatly sweeps away
Speaker 2: the claims that are made by guys like Biden that like,
Speaker 2: well there's good Republicans, we got to work with them.
Speaker 2: You know, we need a strong Republican party. It's just
Speaker 2: you know, some of this magas stuff. We got to
Speaker 2: dust off it. But like, it's good to have strong
Speaker 2: conservatives in government with us. And Hegseth is making the
Speaker 2: point that no, like there's no conservatives that you can
Speaker 2: trust because we the left, like we are not esteemed
Speaker 2: colleagues and we're not political opponents. We want to destroy you.
Speaker 2: You can't work with us. Right, and that's that is
Speaker 2: the truth about modern conservatism, about the Republican Party. You
Speaker 2: can't work with them, right, They've made it clear it
Speaker 2: should be obvious, but a lot of Mainstreammocrats refuse to
Speaker 2: fucking believe.
Speaker 3: I don't know, they're just so yeah. I mean, well,
Speaker 3: best of luck with that project, because it feels like
Speaker 3: if there's one thing mainstream Democrats aren't going to do,
Speaker 3: it's read a direct threat against them and take it seriously.
Speaker 2: Right, right, and there are direct threats in here. Hegxeth
Speaker 2: goes on to say, we are foes. Either we win
Speaker 2: or they win. We agree on nothing else. Okay, maybe
Speaker 2: treat them like that, guys, you know that's what they're saying.
Speaker 3: No, No, they just they we need to empathize, we
Speaker 3: need empathy with you.
Speaker 2: I yeah, I'm done with that. I was raised these guys.
Speaker 2: I don't have empathy for me when I was this
Speaker 2: kind of person, like I suck. So Pete goes on
Speaker 2: to brag that the US has the top economy and military,
Speaker 2: but that our cultural and educational institutions, America's soul have
Speaker 2: succumbed to leftist rot and even a once in a
Speaker 2: generation electoral miracle like twenty sixteen won't be enough to
Speaker 2: save us, which is funny considering how twenty twenty four
Speaker 2: went down. A lot of this book is like darkly
Speaker 2: funny in light of the fact that they won in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four and lost in twenty twenty. So Pete
Speaker 2: says that our future existence as sons and daughters of
Speaker 2: freedom can only happen if after the quote categorical defeat
Speaker 2: of the Left. Thus, this time in our history calls
Speaker 2: for an all caps American crusade. Yes, a holy war
Speaker 2: for the righteous cause of human freedom. Wow.
Speaker 3: Title drops title mentioned t mentioned good stuff. I like
Speaker 3: that to put it in caps, just in case it
Speaker 3: wasn't clear.
Speaker 2: You gotta put you gotta put it in caps. You
Speaker 2: gotta put in caps.
Speaker 3: I mean the rhetoric is like, I guess kind of
Speaker 3: what I would expect. Does he get specific? Is there?
Speaker 3: Does he is? The book about the plan?
Speaker 2: I mean kind of. Pete's not a great planning guy.
Speaker 2: He's not a great knowing how he's you know, not
Speaker 2: going to be a great war leader guy.
Speaker 3: For that reason, one allocate one third of the budget
Speaker 3: to parties for me.
Speaker 2: There's some of that, but it's mainly about getting It's
Speaker 2: mainly about like getting everybody like riled up for an
Speaker 2: existential battle that he believes twenty twenty was going to be,
Speaker 2: right like this, this crusade of you know, it's trying
Speaker 2: to get people on the side of extermination, right heg
Speaker 2: Seth then directly cites the First Crusade as his example
Speaker 2: of what we need to return to. He describes the
Speaker 2: First Crusade as happening a thousand years ago. After years
Speaker 2: of Christians, or of Europeans ceding land to Muslim hordes,
Speaker 2: the Pope finally got around to declaring a crusade in
Speaker 2: order to save Europe, and his nights march to war
Speaker 2: under the cry Deus volt or God wills it. Now
Speaker 2: I should interject here because Pete has a deis volt tattoo,
Speaker 2: and this is a meaningful term on the far right
Speaker 2: and the neo Nazi rite right to interject here. First off,
Speaker 2: all of the history here is nonsense, right, Like his
Speaker 2: history of the Crusades is not accurate. The Guardian interviewed pus.
Speaker 3: My question, I was like this does this doesn't sound.
Speaker 2: That that's we're gonna talk about that first?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: The Guardian interviewed Matthew Gabriel, who's a professor of medieval
Speaker 2: studies at Virginia Tech, and he pointed out there were
Speaker 2: absolutely no incursions to mainland Europe. If anything. Islam was
Speaker 2: kind of on the retreat in Iberia and other places
Speaker 2: as well, so there was no large geopolitical shift or
Speaker 2: any kind of immediate threat of Islam taking over Europe
Speaker 2: right like they were not, in fact on the defensive
Speaker 2: when the crusade started.
Speaker 3: Well, that doesn't sound good and it doesn't serve his point.
Speaker 3: This is just another reminder that in mainstream publishing, fact
Speaker 3: checking is not an allocated part of the budget.
Speaker 2: No, it's not you got to do that's not crazy.
Speaker 2: Today they don't give a shit anymore.
Speaker 3: You got to pay out a pocket if you want
Speaker 3: that shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, because there's no money and being accurate.
Speaker 3: Yeh, books wouldn't sell as well.
Speaker 2: So Pete is not at all alone in taking deis
Speaker 2: vault on as a rallying cry. White supremacists have used
Speaker 2: it as a catchphrase for years now, and he's mainly
Speaker 2: noteworthy for being the most prominent political figure in the
Speaker 2: country to do so. After the first Unite the Right
Speaker 2: rally in Charlottesville, which is the first time many reporters
Speaker 2: and regular Americans saw the phrase in use by Nazis
Speaker 2: and other white supremacist marchers. Outlets like NPR published interviews
Speaker 2: with experts like Medieval Academy of America had Lisa Davis,
Speaker 2: who pointed out that Europe during the Crusade period was
Speaker 2: not white, and that far right marchers at Charlottesville adorned
Speaker 2: themselves with symbols like that of Saint Maurice, who was
Speaker 2: regularly featured on Crusader livery and was himself an Egyptian man,
Speaker 2: right that, like even a lot of these things that
Speaker 2: they're like, we were all white, like this, this beautiful
Speaker 2: saint that the Crusader's march under mother father was born
Speaker 2: in Egypt, Like that is simply an African man.
Speaker 3: Like insid. I mean, I'm like, is this just like
Speaker 3: a group of I mean, obviously just brain dead people,
Speaker 3: But like I think about how many older movies and
Speaker 3: then also movies I grew up on that essentially portray
Speaker 3: Egyptian people as white or at best Italian looking.
Speaker 2: It's in part because like they're in Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: one one reality of it is that everyone in the
Speaker 2: Mediterranean basin looks more Mediterranean than like they do anything else, right,
Speaker 2: which you get right up to the like because there's
Speaker 2: a lot of interchange between those cultures, right. And the
Speaker 2: other thing is that at this period of time, whiteness
Speaker 2: doesn't exist as a concept. Right, if you were to
Speaker 2: go back, I think about it, go back to the
Speaker 2: Roman Empire and tell them, like, this guy is not
Speaker 2: as much of a person to you because of their
Speaker 2: skin color. They'd be like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: This guy's less of a person because he's not a
Speaker 2: Roman like that what matters.
Speaker 3: You're like, make no mistakes, is not a person to me,
Speaker 3: but not for the reasons you've got.
Speaker 2: For that reason, No, he's less human than me because
Speaker 2: he was born in a different place.
Speaker 3: It is fascinating watching, Yeah, just like how everything needs
Speaker 3: to serve like his thesis and it really doesn't matter, just.
Speaker 2: Doesn't None of it works out, And none of these
Speaker 2: people actually know anything about the Crusades.
Speaker 3: Right, And the problem is, yeah, like I'm glad that
Speaker 3: there were like medieval scholars that like corrected the record,
Speaker 3: but his followers don't care.
Speaker 2: No, and it doesn't matter. I'm doing this in part
Speaker 2: because like yeah, this is that's the kind of episode
Speaker 2: that this is. Right when you go through this and
Speaker 2: you're like, all right, what's accurate? What's not? But like
Speaker 2: this doesn't like no one listening to this was like
Speaker 2: coming in as a pete hegseth fan because of the
Speaker 2: crusade stuff, and it's going to be like Mike, he
Speaker 2: was wrong. Like that's just not the way any.
Speaker 3: Changes everything for me. I wonder if there's one person. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now, I should also note here that because he uses
Speaker 2: deis volt, he's got a tattooed on his body because
Speaker 2: he believes it was the rallying cry that crusaders marched
Speaker 2: to war under during the First Crusade. This is very
Speaker 2: likely to be untrue, right, This is actually the result
Speaker 2: of propaganda that came later. Marburg historian George Strack has
Speaker 2: pointed out to the Catholic News Agency that Pope Urban
Speaker 2: the Second, who declared the First Crusade, never used the
Speaker 2: phrase deis volt himself, and quote only one chronicle, that
Speaker 2: of Robert the Monk, which was written around ten years
Speaker 2: after the Pope's called a crusade at a synod in Clairemont, France,
Speaker 2: quotes the exclamation at all Strak explained, the author was
Speaker 2: aware from another chronicle that the Northern French crusaders used
Speaker 2: deis volt as a war cry or a sign of
Speaker 2: recognition among themselves. Robert's aim was to present the crusade
Speaker 2: as a vine and papally led project, which is why
Speaker 2: he claimed that Urban the second had heard the war
Speaker 2: cry deis Vault and Claremont and approved of it. From
Speaker 2: the historian's point of view, however, this is implausible. Even
Speaker 2: Robert's medieval can temporaries would have placed little trust in
Speaker 2: the chronicler. It was only under the humanists of the
Speaker 2: fifteenth century that the monks rhetoric received favorable attention. Again,
Speaker 2: they found Robert's chronicle plausible, and so the war cried
Speaker 2: dais Fold was quoted very frequently from then on, and
Speaker 2: soon the other reports about Urban's call from Claremont were forgotten,
Speaker 2: says Strack. So this is probably propaganda from the beginning
Speaker 2: that there's not much evidence of at the time, that
Speaker 2: no one would have taken very seriously at the time
Speaker 2: that five hundred years later, like you know, chuds adopt
Speaker 2: fifteen hundreds Chuds.
Speaker 3: Right, never trust a Robert. That's what I've never.
Speaker 2: Trust to Robert. That's that's war of history, of historiography,
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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, the sports betting people are honest. Right, you'll
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Speaker 3: They're like, but you'll have a great time doing it.
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Speaker 2: H drugs. Jesus, Robert, what we're back. So for the
Speaker 2: sake of morale, it might be good for us to
Speaker 2: recall here that the Crusades were not successes in the
Speaker 2: traditional military sense of the word. The First Crusade did
Speaker 2: have some initial victories and resulted in temporary Christian control
Speaker 2: of parts of the Holy Land, but this did not
Speaker 2: last long. By eleven eighty seven, less than one hundred years,
Speaker 2: the great general Saladin had surrounded Jerusalem. Right the long
Speaker 2: train of disasters for organized Christian militaries during the crusades
Speaker 2: led to a surgeon support from maniac cult leaders like
Speaker 2: Peter the Hermit, who gathered an army of starving hermits
Speaker 2: to march on the Holy Land. Andrew Curry writes quote
Speaker 2: Peter's success was cited over and over again in the
Speaker 2: years to come. The defeat suffered by better or organized
Speaker 2: crusades led many to believe that it was the humble
Speaker 2: who were destined to succeed, not the proud, rich military classes.
Speaker 2: In the end, these people's crusades ended in disaster too.
Speaker 2: None ever reached the Holy Land, and most of the
Speaker 2: peasant crusaders were either slaughtered as they plundered their way
Speaker 2: across Europe or disbanded before ever reaching a port. Without
Speaker 2: the resources to reach the Holy Land, most turned on
Speaker 2: more conventional targets, namely Europe's Jewish communities. Why are we
Speaker 2: going to seek out our profanity and to take vengeance
Speaker 2: on the ishmae lights for our Messiah when here are
Speaker 2: the Jews who murdered and crucified him, was the rationale,
Speaker 2: as recorded by a Jewish eyewitness. Again, most of the
Speaker 2: a large chunk of the real crusaders, and even Crusade.
Speaker 2: They just went and murdered juice right in Europe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, okay, do we think yeah, Pete Hegseth knows
Speaker 3: any of this. No, I don't think he really reads much,
Speaker 3: genuinely curious.
Speaker 2: I don't think it would matter. He would just wouldn't
Speaker 2: trust any account you told him if it's different from
Speaker 2: what he already believes.
Speaker 3: Right, that's I mean, I didn't. I don't know this
Speaker 3: about the Crusades. I'm not. I gotta say I'm not
Speaker 3: a crusade's head.
Speaker 2: Well, the gist of it, and this is a quote
Speaker 2: from medieval studies professor Matthew Gabriel, the Crusaders lost, they
Speaker 2: lost everything.
Speaker 3: An American crusade not a bad an idea.
Speaker 2: Watch the documentary Kingdom of Heaven for more still holds
Speaker 2: up banger of a film. So again, none of this
Speaker 2: stuff works as a gotcha, Right, you're not going to
Speaker 2: convince anyone to change their politics. But being like, actually
Speaker 2: the Crusades sucked, right, But I do think it's valuable
Speaker 2: to look at this history for our own like edification
Speaker 2: is a reminder that this too shall pass, and that
Speaker 2: these kinds of people never managed to win the way
Speaker 2: they think they will in the long run because they
Speaker 2: suck itt shit. But also the mere fact that they've
Speaker 2: doomed themselves doesn't mean that they won't cause even more
Speaker 2: suffering in their failures. Right. Those people's crusades were all disasters,
Speaker 2: but a lot of Jewish communities suffered as a result. Right, anyway,
Speaker 2: let's continue with Pete. He goes from the Crusades to
Speaker 2: the American Revolution, probably the only periods in history that
Speaker 2: he's taken a passing interest in. He notes that like
Speaker 2: crusaders and patriots passed, the red maga hat is a
Speaker 2: symbol for the need for violent action to secure liberty.
Speaker 2: Only by going on offense against a left that surrounds them.
Speaker 2: Conservatives survive. Now, the fact that this is written in
Speaker 2: the run up to twenty twenty, and the fact that
Speaker 2: that election went against them should say a few things
Speaker 2: to you. Right. We know now this was not the
Speaker 2: decisive or the last battle, but Hegseth writes as if
Speaker 2: it was, and that the left would cause total annihilation
Speaker 2: if they won in twenty twenty. He notes that while
Speaker 2: there are millions of patriots, the country also houses hordes
Speaker 2: of people who don't share their allegiance and that their
Speaker 2: ignorance and ideologies threaten national survival. Okay, so yeah, again,
Speaker 2: like the language here is very unsparing, and this is
Speaker 2: how most of them think. You can't. Again, it's just
Speaker 2: a important that Democrats understand you can't talk it out
Speaker 2: with someone like this. They're not willing to talk to.
Speaker 3: You, right, And I mean that's like they're that's their
Speaker 3: whole thing. It is interesting anytime you hear I mean,
Speaker 3: I guess you hear it basically every day now, but
Speaker 3: over time, I think in the last ten years where
Speaker 3: you just hear the US versus them in an increasingly
Speaker 3: upward line. Did the point where he's just like straightforwardly
Speaker 3: saying they're like, the people who agree with me are Americans? Yeah,
Speaker 3: they don't, aren't. Yeah, yeah, which is like, I mean,
Speaker 3: continued to Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the next section of his book is about the
Speaker 2: two Americas, which he describes as America and the Left,
Speaker 2: and in order to highlight this, he gives us the
Speaker 2: story of two different immigrants, both named Omar Samara. Omar
Speaker 2: who is in Iraqi who fought with Hegzeth. He was
Speaker 2: an interpreter after the US invasion and later immigrated to
Speaker 2: the US legally. The other Omar is, of course illan Omar,
Speaker 2: who he calls the Omar.
Speaker 3: Oh, we're out of it.
Speaker 2: Oh no, he's this is I mean, this is like
Speaker 2: peak Illin Omar brainworms period twenty twenty. Not that it's
Speaker 2: much less now.
Speaker 3: I feel like it's still got worse.
Speaker 2: It's still pretty bad. It's still bad. Like it's just
Speaker 2: there's it's more of a topic of discussion. I guess, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: maybe just just this way.
Speaker 3: Lord, it's nuts.
Speaker 2: His attitude is the common one you'll see on the right,
Speaker 2: that Illin was graciously led into this country and has
Speaker 2: done nothing but spit in its face. I don't think
Speaker 2: we really need to deal with this point, save to
Speaker 2: note that even in the America of twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: even someone like Pete's you know, interpreter Omar, who fought
Speaker 2: alongside US soldiers, aren't qualified to stay here. Earlier this year,
Speaker 2: the United States revoked special status to Afghan people who
Speaker 2: helped the United States and its war against the Taliban. PERMSNBC,
Speaker 2: the Trump administration told them, quote that they've got to
Speaker 2: self deport by May twentieth back to a Taliban controlled
Speaker 2: Afghanistan if America can't honor its word to those who
Speaker 2: bled for it. A retired US colonel told me, why
Speaker 2: would anyone trust us? Again, this isn't just immigration policy.
Speaker 2: It's a test of our moral credibility, and we're failing now, Jamie. Yes,
Speaker 2: I've seen the US in enough war zones and talk
Speaker 2: to enough people who believed in our promises to them
Speaker 2: when they fought alongside us that I can say there's
Speaker 2: no point in my lifetime or the lifetime of anyone
Speaker 2: listening to the show in which we had moral credibility
Speaker 2: or we're trustworthy friends. Right, It's like we're also recording
Speaker 2: this period of time you're talking about.
Speaker 3: We're also recording this at a time of where again,
Speaker 3: like both of his examples are people who could just
Speaker 3: get plucked off of the street and kidnapped by ice,
Speaker 3: Like the citizenship has nothing to do with it.
Speaker 2: Well, again, that's part of what's interesting about the timing
Speaker 2: this comes in is that in twenty twenty as even
Speaker 2: as like a Pete Haig Seth Republican, you still had
Speaker 2: to pretend that you were like okay with multiculturalism as
Speaker 2: long as they were pro American, Right that like, no,
Speaker 2: this Iraqi interpretive. Mine is a great American. He's fully integrated. Right,
Speaker 2: he gets to stay here because he did all the
Speaker 2: right things and as soon as they got into power, like, oh,
Speaker 2: actually no, we don't give a shit. All that matters
Speaker 2: is your skin color, right, Like that's and that's the
Speaker 2: reality right under the regime that has given Pete Hegseth power.
Speaker 2: But he spends a lot of his book talking about
Speaker 2: the Omar who fought with him, who he calls Texas
Speaker 2: Omar now because he successfully immigrated to the and integrated
Speaker 2: into the Houston suburbs. So we should talk a little
Speaker 2: bit here about Pete Hegseth's wartime experiences in Samara, which
Speaker 2: is less than about a hunt. I think it's like
Speaker 2: eighty miles or something northwest of Baghdad. At age twenty six,
Speaker 2: Pete was a lieutenant in the Army and National Guard
Speaker 2: when he joined the one hundred and first third Brigade
Speaker 2: Combat Team. He was deployed in two thousand and five.
Speaker 2: Prior to this, heg Seth had experienced which you might
Speaker 2: call an atypical Global War on Terror career. Again, he
Speaker 2: graduated from Princeton, he'd started working at Bear Stearns, and
Speaker 2: you know, the same time he'd got in a position
Speaker 2: with the doomed finance company. He enlisted in the National Guard,
Speaker 2: and he was first deployed after nine to eleven to
Speaker 2: Guantanamo Bay, before coming back and working in finance for
Speaker 2: a while and then volunteering to fight in Iraq, where
Speaker 2: he became a tune leader. He seems to have served
Speaker 2: like functionally, did the job reasonably. Well. There's not like shocking,
Speaker 2: you know, shocking reports or anything on it. He was
Speaker 2: kept away from liquor. Probably I s.
Speaker 3: Wood to say. I was like, what, why did he
Speaker 3: do that job competently?
Speaker 2: Although he hadn't really kept drinking it started drinking heavily.
Speaker 3: At this point, right, because that was after he got back.
Speaker 2: Okay, And there's a there's an interesting Washington Post article
Speaker 2: that quotes one of his fellow officers who was active duty.
Speaker 2: He was like, I was actually surprised to see a
Speaker 2: National Guard guy doing the things heg Seth was doing.
Speaker 2: And I just assumed that it was because he was
Speaker 2: planning for a political career and thought a combat tour
Speaker 2: would help. Right. Yeah, And you run into you if
Speaker 2: you've known people who were in like If you know
Speaker 2: enough military guys, they all have stories of like Yet
Speaker 2: his guy was definitely doing it because he was trying
Speaker 2: to like set up a career later down the line
Speaker 2: and wanted, you know, a combat action badge or something.
Speaker 3: It's like seeing an influencer at a volunteer event. I'm
Speaker 3: sure interesting.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to quote from the Post's article here.
Speaker 2: Charlie Company, numbering about a hunt ThReD and forty men,
Speaker 2: was considered the brigade's most aggressive unit, engaging threats with
Speaker 2: a bravado that would later draw scrutiny from senior leaders,
Speaker 2: said people familiar with the deployment. As recounted by The
Speaker 2: New Yorker in two thousand and nine, Charlie Company was
Speaker 2: nicknamed Kill Company and maintained a whiteboard listing confirmed kills,
Speaker 2: including civilians, that each platoon had notched. The former officer,
Speaker 2: who served in another company within the battalion said the
Speaker 2: behavior exhibited by Hegsat's Infantry company was viewed as a
Speaker 2: little bit strange by those on the outside. We joked
Speaker 2: sometimes that they were on their own crusade down there.
Speaker 3: Great stuff, okay, great stuff, good lord, Okay.
Speaker 2: Now what's interesting is when The New Yorker reports in
Speaker 2: this initially, Hegseth would claim that I actually complained about
Speaker 2: how aggressive we were to our company commander and its
Speaker 2: specifically that he complained about how they were ordered to
Speaker 2: have their weapons ready when they were entering targeted buildings
Speaker 2: because he believed that basically having fingers on the trigger
Speaker 2: would lead to higher civilian casualties, and that after making
Speaker 2: these complaints he was reassigned. I don't know how true
Speaker 2: this is, right, I looved That's something he made up
Speaker 2: when he thought it would sound better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, When was that interview conducted.
Speaker 2: I was like two thousand and nine that I knew.
Speaker 3: I wonder how I yeah today, so he.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't claim it at least, right, Yeah, But his old
Speaker 2: unit remained in the field after he got transferred, and
Speaker 2: as the insurgency hit a new peak of violence. They
Speaker 2: wound up as part of a raid on an island
Speaker 2: believed to be a training center for Abu Musabl's or
Speaker 2: Kawi's Aqy or al Qaida in Iraq. This is like
Speaker 2: the precursor organization to ISIS. A number of civilians are
Speaker 2: massacred during this attack. The soldiers who killed them claim
Speaker 2: initially that they're all military aged males, which is a
Speaker 2: term for we shot some fucking teenager, but like, look,
Speaker 2: he's pretty big. An army investigation revealed that the civilians
Speaker 2: had been detained and executed well detained, and that the
Speaker 2: killings had been covered up. Two soldiers ultimately pled guilty
Speaker 2: to murder and related charges and received eighteen year sentences.
Speaker 2: One soldier who testified was sentenced to nine months, and
Speaker 2: another who didn't was convicted of negligent homicide, which was
Speaker 2: overturned on appeal. Now there is speculation that heg Seth
Speaker 2: has since seized upon the issue of US troops being
Speaker 2: tried for war crimes. As a result of this, and
Speaker 2: for the entirety of his time in the political spotlight,
Speaker 2: he has since backed prosecuted soldiers, including war criminal Navy
Speaker 2: Seal Eddie Gallagher, claiming the rules of war unfairly tie
Speaker 2: the hands of men in the field. That Washington Post article,
Speaker 2: which interviewed a number of his colleagues, ends on this note.
Speaker 2: The former Army officer who served with Hegxeth in Iraq
Speaker 2: said he believes he has latched onto populous scenarios in
Speaker 2: a quest for personal gain. When news of Hegseth's potential
Speaker 2: nomination emerged, old acquaintances from those days got back in
Speaker 2: touch with one another, the former officer said. One text
Speaker 2: he received especially stood out. All it said was WTF
Speaker 2: question Mark, Yeah, stuff, all right, stuff.
Speaker 3: It's everything that leads to horrific war crimes in the
Speaker 3: modern age are deeply embarrassing, Like just really really lazy texting.
Speaker 3: And also the fact that in between his stints in
Speaker 3: the service that he found time time to work at
Speaker 3: bear Stearns, he found a little bit of time to
Speaker 3: the American economy. Like it's just it's you know, what
Speaker 3: a what a multi high phenate really, yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: this in your review, I mean this just seems like
Speaker 3: he's slowly, you know, working behind the scenes to justify
Speaker 3: civilian deaths so that he can ideally escalate to the job.
Speaker 3: He is now killing civilians with no consequences for anyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, so okay. The next chapter of this book,
Speaker 2: he compares, spent several pages comparing different statements by Illin
Speaker 2: Omar and his buddy Texas Omar in order to talk
Speaker 2: about how much it Illin hates the United States. One
Speaker 2: of his points is that his friend describes US helicopters
Speaker 2: as looking like angels because at one point he was
Speaker 2: under fire and he got rescued by a helicopter. And
Speaker 2: Illin describes them as looking like the devil because she
Speaker 2: was a civilian in Somalia and saw US helicopters kill civilians. Oh, like,
Speaker 2: no civilians were killed by Americans in the Battle of
Speaker 2: Mogadishu in nineteen ninety three, right, she describes as a
Speaker 2: heroic defensive action by US forces, And the reality is uglier. Well,
Speaker 2: we don't have perfect accounts for how many civilians died
Speaker 2: in the fighting. It was between three hundred and seven
Speaker 2: hundred people who died total, and at least two to
Speaker 2: three hundred of those were civilians. Right, And I'll personally
Speaker 2: note I have watched an Apache helicopter destroyed, like basically
Speaker 2: murder an apartment building, and yeah, it looks like the devil.
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen one of those things empty its
Speaker 2: entire payload? It's a fucking nightmare. It's very cherry.
Speaker 3: Yes, objectively, I mean it's like, not only is it
Speaker 3: obviously racist to have this like weird chart of two
Speaker 3: people with the same last name, but like to just
Speaker 3: present it with a total void of context. He just
Speaker 3: like doesn't even understand how war works that you'd be
Speaker 3: terrified of.
Speaker 2: The thing not on your side that is very deadly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're killing people around you, Okay, okay.
Speaker 2: It's one of those things like yeah, man, if you're
Speaker 2: like I get it, if you're completely surrounded by the
Speaker 2: enemy and then a chopper comes in and blows them
Speaker 2: all away, you'd be like that thing ripped. That think's cool.
Speaker 2: But people have just had experiences with helicopters, you know,
Speaker 2: like depending on whether or not they're being shot at
Speaker 2: by them.
Speaker 3: Not to come down too hard on the other, Omar,
Speaker 3: but like weird to call a helicopter at angel as
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, and I don't know. Again, we
Speaker 2: don't actually ever get to talk with that Omar. I
Speaker 2: haven't found any articles interviewing him. He doesn't like I've
Speaker 2: googled around trying to find anyone who talked to this guy.
Speaker 2: We only have Pete's recollection of him.
Speaker 3: How much do you want to met he bet he
Speaker 3: made up a guy.
Speaker 2: I don't know. He certainly if he's real, there's no
Speaker 2: way he's going to talk out and like correct the record.
Speaker 2: If Pete digit because then they'll get.
Speaker 3: Deported, right, yeah, stays far away from.
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I don't And the important part
Speaker 2: is that Pete does not bring in this Omar as
Speaker 2: a real person with a real story. He brings him
Speaker 2: in as a foil to his created image of a
Speaker 2: social justice warrior who never had to fight for anything. Right.
Speaker 2: Such people, he argues, take advantage of fifty to fifty
Speaker 2: Americans who lack grittiness and historical perspective. He describes these people,
Speaker 2: So you've got the evil leftists and they take advantage
Speaker 2: of these kind of like milk toast fifty to fifty
Speaker 2: Americans who call squishies right for their lack of rulingness.
Speaker 2: Does they call them Squishyes, because they're not willing to
Speaker 2: fight because they're not racist and violent, right, Like, they're
Speaker 2: too squishy, they're too they're not willing to kill the
Speaker 2: left right, they think we can coexist.
Speaker 3: I don't like that.
Speaker 2: It's him talking about like conservatives who are not like
Speaker 2: outright fascists, right that those are the squishies. Okay, so
Speaker 2: it's cool, it's good stuff.
Speaker 3: Okay, Sorry, apologies to the squishies. I love you guys.
Speaker 2: Sorry, squishies. Yeah, great stuff. And it's interesting, you know
Speaker 2: the thing he's trying to do here, because he has
Speaker 2: a whole bit in this about how like the people
Speaker 2: don't like to see themselves as political and that's a
Speaker 2: problem because like we're in a political war. His whole
Speaker 2: thing is he's trying he has to convince these people that, like,
Speaker 2: you need to become political in order to embrace the
Speaker 2: politics of defensive annihilation against the left. Right, and the
Speaker 2: left is everything but Trump, you know, Like that's what
Speaker 2: he's trying to convince these these like moderate Republicans to do. Quote.
Speaker 2: For me, awakening has been a progression over many years,
Speaker 2: informed by multiple iterations of learning and mostly failure. First
Speaker 2: I had to get informed. Then I denied the magnitude
Speaker 2: of the leftist problem. Next, being idealistic, even new to
Speaker 2: the political arena, I played within the confines of the
Speaker 2: status quo. Now, as I have some worldly success in
Speaker 2: a large family, protecting my nest is tempting, I understand
Speaker 2: what is required of one hundred percent American. The sacrifice,
Speaker 2: the struggle, the uncertainty, like the uncertainty of stealing from
Speaker 2: two different veterans organizations to get drunk, yes, the uncertainty
Speaker 2: of playing grab ass with all your secretaries, yes, sacrifice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, separating your employees by party and not party there. Look,
Speaker 3: these are the things ultimately that are going to protect Gunner.
Speaker 3: Heg seth.
Speaker 2: Yeah. These are who's finally finally Yes, Okay, we in
Speaker 2: the introduction the first chapter with a call to arms
Speaker 2: and follow it chapter that's chapter one, baby, and we
Speaker 2: follow it with two more quotes. These are both from
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, and I find them funnier than I should.
Speaker 2: Quote one, You're a sleez candidate Donald Trump to a
Speaker 2: reporter from ABC News twenty sixteen. You're a warrior, Pete,
Speaker 2: A fucking warrior, President Donald Trump, November twenty nineteen. What
Speaker 2: are those Why are those together? Why is it like?
Speaker 2: Why are you contracted? It's just contrasting him shit, talking
Speaker 2: ABC to him, saying nice things to him.
Speaker 3: He's telling a story.
Speaker 1: It's just so cool.
Speaker 2: It's like, wow, okay, Pete, we're all very impressed.
Speaker 3: As warrior is to me a smiley face.
Speaker 2: It's so funny. It's so funny. Yeah. Yeah, it's good stuff.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well we'll we'll talk about the next chapter.
Speaker 2: But I think it's probably time to end Part one
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