WEBVTT - Part One: Pete Hegseth's Fascist Book 'American Crusade'

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<v Speaker 1>Also media.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, thanks very thanks for coming in with me on

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<v Speaker 2>that one, Jamie's that was really helpful. I think we really,

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<v Speaker 2>I think we knocked it out of the park. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that wouldn't have worked without you, you know, just one

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<v Speaker 2>person kind of a tonally going ah nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, one of you was great.

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<v Speaker 2>One of us is great. And you know what's not great.

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<v Speaker 2>Sophie has a dying squirrel on her property.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna know, this is like ruined my entire Nay, Cannon.

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<v Speaker 2>It's cannon. Now, Sophie, it's cannon.

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<v Speaker 3>You're going to give it a name so it feels worse. No, sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>How about Elizabeth Elizabeth the squirrel? Oh no, Elizabeth the

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<v Speaker 2>terminally ill squirrel.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not one hundred per centuries dying, but he's stuff

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<v Speaker 1>really not moving very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's usually not a good sign for something like

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<v Speaker 2>a squirrel.

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<v Speaker 3>Elizabeth has a lot of unfinished business. This is really sad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she didn't get her will prepared.

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<v Speaker 3>Robert, I just need you to come.

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<v Speaker 1>I just need you to come over here and do

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<v Speaker 1>the humane thing because I'm a wolf.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, kill it with a rock alleged. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean I don't know what else to do with, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>suffering little animals. But yeah, when I lived, when I

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<v Speaker 2>lived in the middle of nowhere, there would be lots

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<v Speaker 2>of dead animals by or dying animals by the side

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<v Speaker 2>of the road when I was on my runs, so

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<v Speaker 2>I would have to be like usually, if I was

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<v Speaker 2>doing a long enough run, I'd have to do at

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<v Speaker 2>least one euthanasia on the way. It's like a fucking

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<v Speaker 2>rabbit with its back legs crushed, should probably take care

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<v Speaker 2>of this.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Yeah, that's an important part of her daily exercise regime.

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<v Speaker 2>Take a life is yeah, euthanasia.

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<v Speaker 3>When I was little, I had an outdoor cat, which

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<v Speaker 3>we shouldn't have had. And here's why. There was one

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<v Speaker 3>day I was like, something smelled weird in my yard

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<v Speaker 3>and I found that my cat had like a massive

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<v Speaker 3>like corpse pile, like he had symbol.

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<v Speaker 2>He was making his own a bone temple like in

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<v Speaker 2>the New twenty eight Years Later movie.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't understand at the time, but I was like, Wow,

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<v Speaker 3>he just did that because he loved me so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he loves you so much. He wanted you to

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<v Speaker 2>have all of the corpses you need, you know, And

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<v Speaker 2>that's not you know how many how many, how many

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<v Speaker 2>guys will do that for you, right, you know that's why,

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<v Speaker 2>that's why we have pets.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the main problem. I haven't seen the movie yet.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it like all I've seen is like clickbait about

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<v Speaker 3>it being like zombies with their cocks out?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that actually there's a lot of dicks? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>When I heard that, I was like, we're probably gonna

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<v Speaker 2>get one brief glimpse of a huge fucking monster hog.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, they really there's a lot of cock in

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<v Speaker 2>the New twenty eight movie.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate that they didn't undersell it. Okay, no, well.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, there's there's a there's more more dick than

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<v Speaker 2>you're expecting. That maybe less dick than I would have preferred,

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<v Speaker 2>but more than you're expecting for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I will I will go. I haven't seen the

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<v Speaker 3>first two, but I love coming in at movie three

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<v Speaker 3>or four.

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay, you're not gonna you know what a zombie

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<v Speaker 2>movie is. It's set after a zombie apocalypse in England.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all you need to know.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, there's there's enough like a need for context in

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<v Speaker 3>our day to day work. I'm like, I'm not trying

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<v Speaker 3>to learn more for fun. No, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>Showing other than I guess. In the twenty eight movies,

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<v Speaker 2>the zombies aren't dead. They're just like people who have

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<v Speaker 2>like a weird blood borne illness, so they're still alive.

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<v Speaker 3>So there are people with their cocks out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're people with their cocks out, but it's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>They had a child on set, so all the dicks

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<v Speaker 2>are fake photo realistic with their fake I know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, but that's the way. That's the way movie

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<v Speaker 2>law works. Apparently I was reading it because they were like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we had the main characters a kid, so there's always

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<v Speaker 2>a kid on set, so we can't have any real

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<v Speaker 2>dicks hag it out. But we can't have everyone wearing

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<v Speaker 2>full time photorealistic penises that are faked.

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<v Speaker 3>Why child stardom should be illegal?

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<v Speaker 2>That is.

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<v Speaker 3>Ever heard. Look, they're like, no, you can't, you can't. Actually,

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<v Speaker 3>that can't have been a traumatizing thing for you. The

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<v Speaker 3>dicks weren't real.

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<v Speaker 2>Kids, dix weren't real. Didn't you guess that they were fake?

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<v Speaker 2>Cot Like, it's so funny.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just so like an actor try to like comfort

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<v Speaker 3>a child actor to be like no, no, no, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not real, and then pulling the fake dick off of

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<v Speaker 3>your body, like how is it?

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<v Speaker 2>It's so fad?

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<v Speaker 3>How did we get here?

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<v Speaker 1>I know I'm distracted by the dying squirrel, but what

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<v Speaker 1>is happening?

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<v Speaker 2>People were just talking about movies, Sophie, because we really

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to talk about the subject of today's episodes.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Peter he Seth, Okay, I could.

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<v Speaker 3>Have taken a worse turn, a worse turn.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'd rather talk about zombie dicks than Pete egg Seth.

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<v Speaker 3>That's true. I mean Pete had the keg Seth is bad.

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<v Speaker 3>I was. I was worried that we were heading Teal.

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<v Speaker 2>But uh no, no, we've done Teal, We've done.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I was like, I was like, is there more?

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<v Speaker 3>You're good at the Peter Teel addendum episode? Okay, yeah, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>uh so yeah, let's let's let's get into it.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess that's the cold open done. You're welcome for

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<v Speaker 2>all the dick talk.

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<v Speaker 3>We're back, okay, And well now I'm nice and warm

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<v Speaker 3>to be made less horny than I've ever been in

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<v Speaker 3>my entire life. Right, and a guy give any war

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<v Speaker 3>crimes in real time. What a thrill.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to give you me a kolpi here. I

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<v Speaker 2>had initially planned for this to just be a book episode,

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<v Speaker 2>reading Pete Hegseth's terrible fascist book American Crusade, which unfortunately

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<v Speaker 2>people do need to be aware of because he's the

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<v Speaker 2>Secretary of Defense now. But then I wound up needing

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<v Speaker 2>to give extra context, and so there is My initial

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<v Speaker 2>thing was like, he's not really interesting enough for two

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<v Speaker 2>episodes on the Motherfucker just as a person. He's not

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<v Speaker 2>that interesting. But anyway, I wound up it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a hybrid book bTB episode, so you know, there's there's

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<v Speaker 2>research here. There's also just a lot of chunks of

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<v Speaker 2>his book that we'll be talking about because they matter.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a little bit of a weird episode, but

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<v Speaker 2>I did it.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, when did the book come out?

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty twenty? Okay, yeah, yeah, American Crusade was his like

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<v Speaker 2>election tie in book. So one of the funny things

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<v Speaker 2>that you repeatedly come across is his dire warnings that like,

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<v Speaker 2>if the Republicans don't win in twenty twenty, the whole

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<v Speaker 2>country's over, which like, yeah, I some of this is

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<v Speaker 2>like not aged well, but it also it's also a

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<v Speaker 2>very like fascist Christian nationalist book that makes it very

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<v Speaker 2>clear what kind of country Pete Hegseeth wants to use

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<v Speaker 2>his powers to his Secretary of Defense to further right,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's.

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<v Speaker 3>Published like about midway through his his run on Fox News.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, he starts in twenty fourteen, but he's just

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<v Speaker 2>initially kind of a commentator. We'll talk about all that. So, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Pete Hegseth, our current secretary of Defense? Is it, you know, embarrassing? Yeah? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And he writes in twenty twenty a manifesto slash book

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<v Speaker 2>called American Crusade, which is one of those both like

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<v Speaker 2>tie in, I'm trying to get more into politics. This

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<v Speaker 2>is back when he was really fishing in the first

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<v Speaker 2>Trump ad men to be made sec deaf and there

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<v Speaker 2>were still too many adults in the room at that

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<v Speaker 2>point for him to get made Secretary of Defense. Because

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<v Speaker 2>as his backstory that I'm gonna give briefly will make clear,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not a man who's ever been reliable in

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<v Speaker 2>a position of power.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, I guess it never occurred to me that he

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<v Speaker 3>could be No, I guess he's held down a job technically,

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<v Speaker 3>not even.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, No, not even really actually unless you count Fox

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<v Speaker 2>News as a job, but even that not really Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So Peter heg Seth was born on June sixth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Dad, Yes, yeah, he's.

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<v Speaker 3>Already like old fascists. He's aging terribly.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, no, he looks like shit. Yes, that's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of what happens when you drink the way Pete Hegseth drinks.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, fair enough. Wow, I would have guessed he's at

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<v Speaker 3>least ten years older. Yeah, I was like Jamie shocked

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<v Speaker 3>at the video, but all.

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<v Speaker 2>The Yeah, I mean, it doesn't it's not. He's not

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<v Speaker 2>like the most obvious Minneapolis guy. But I'm not shocked

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<v Speaker 2>to hear that he's from Minneapolis, right that.

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<v Speaker 3>That was not the shock. It was that he's under fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's under fifty, much younger than you'd expect. His

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<v Speaker 2>dad was a basketball coach for high school, which you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's got son of a fucking high school coach energy

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<v Speaker 2>for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Mom, how many crimes could be prevented if you're

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<v Speaker 3>if daddy didn't bench you, Daddy.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't bench you. Well, here's the other thing. What's the

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<v Speaker 2>only thing that a parent could be that's worse than

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<v Speaker 2>a high school sports coach? And it's his mom was

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<v Speaker 2>an executive business coach even worse. Somehow they found a

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<v Speaker 2>worst kind of coach to be.

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<v Speaker 3>What does that even mean? That's like a made up That.

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<v Speaker 2>Means that you get paid like a mid six figure

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<v Speaker 2>income for sitting in a room and going, oh, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a good idea. Uh, that's that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically does boss whom is girl off?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a consultant, that's what she does.

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<v Speaker 3>I love. Yeah, it's like the job we're at. Like

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<v Speaker 3>at the turn of this century, you'd be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>have you considered firing people and replacing more people?

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<v Speaker 2>What if we outsourced? And now they're all saying what

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<v Speaker 2>if AI? Right, Like it's it's just it's just people

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<v Speaker 2>who come from good families that have connections but don't

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<v Speaker 2>have any skills. That's the executive business coach community position,

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<v Speaker 2>the consultant community. Right. So his family, they have money

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<v Speaker 2>and they have very strong conservative bonafidees, right Like his

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<v Speaker 2>mom and dad are both very strong Republicans and politically involved.

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<v Speaker 2>Pete graduates from the Forest Lake Area High School in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety nine, is valedictorian. He is good at something.

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<v Speaker 2>At one point in his life as an adult, he

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<v Speaker 2>goes to Princeton where he helps to run and again

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<v Speaker 2>family Money, where he helps to run the school's conservative newspaper.

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<v Speaker 2>He becomes editor eventually of like the right wing paper

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<v Speaker 2>on campus. As editor, he like publishes a promise that

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<v Speaker 2>he will defend Western civilization from quote the distractions of diversity.

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<v Speaker 3>So like, I know that they're everywhere, I'm aware that

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<v Speaker 3>they're but I'm still so disturbed by like just the

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<v Speaker 3>idea of a young, like a teenage Republican is such

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<v Speaker 3>a bizarre image to me. It's like seeing a twin

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<v Speaker 3>at age sixty. Yeah, you don't want to imagine them

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<v Speaker 3>that young.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you don't want to, but you have to because

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<v Speaker 2>they're there. And it's what Pete's going to He's going

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<v Speaker 2>to try a couple of things later in life, Like

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<v Speaker 2>he's initially kind of more on the Republican mainstream side

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<v Speaker 2>of things that gets eaten up by Trump. So he

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<v Speaker 2>has to a big part of this book we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to read is him like giving his mea culpa of like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I was a rhino. I was lost, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I realized, you know, Donald Trump really was, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>our brilliant savior and stuff. And one of the points

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<v Speaker 2>that I think his backstory makes is that he was

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<v Speaker 2>always pretty extreme conservative. Like the whole reason why he

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have gotten behind Trump is that he didn't believe

0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Trump was really a conservative until it became clear that

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<v Speaker 2>Trump was going to win. But like the weird right

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<v Speaker 2>wing stuff, the hatred of diversity that's been there his

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<v Speaker 2>whole life. Like he talks about himself as if he'd

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<v Speaker 2>been a political as a young man, but he never

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<v Speaker 2>really was.

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<v Speaker 3>Well no, yeah, if he's he's the editor of the

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<v Speaker 3>conservative Princeton papers.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure is, and yeah, that's just a bad group of

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<v Speaker 2>people to exist under his guidance. The paper attacked halle

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<v Speaker 2>Berry for accepting an oscar over her performance in Monsters

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<v Speaker 2>Ball because it was racist, oh, against white people. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I don't know, I didn't need to feel the

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<v Speaker 2>need to go and read that article, but yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of like conservative paper.

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<v Speaker 1>This is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like it's time to go to war with halle

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<v Speaker 2>Berry for her oscar.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I imagine conservative papers there like that are just

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<v Speaker 3>like ninety percent vaguely racist editorials.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, yeah. During his time as editor, Hegseth published

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<v Speaker 2>another student's commentary mocking the school's policy that sex with

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<v Speaker 2>an unconscious partner should count as rape. An article for

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<v Speaker 2>The New Yorkers cites jud Leghum's newsletter Popular Information when

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<v Speaker 2>he summarized the article, and hegcest paper this way. The

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<v Speaker 2>commentary claim that rape required both a failure to consent

0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:25.840
<v Speaker 2>and duress, which a passed how woman couldn't experience So great, guy, Pete, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>put a pin in that because we'll talk about some

0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:28.800
<v Speaker 2>sex crimesies.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah no, I mean really he really walks the walk

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<v Speaker 3>in that regard.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, allegedly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah sure. It's so like, I don't know, the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that you're thinking about doing that so much that you

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<v Speaker 3>publish like essentially intent is just like it's mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Blowing, Yeah, the whole like, yeah, well, they can't be

0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:57.080
<v Speaker 2>sad if they're unconscious. It's just like the darkest, evilest

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<v Speaker 2>way to make that argument. It's somehow worse than like

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<v Speaker 2>arguing like oh no, they they they wanted it secretly.

0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.319
<v Speaker 2>It's just like they, oh, because they're unconscious. It doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>What the fuck man, how do you write that and

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<v Speaker 2>not burst into flames? I mean, yeah, so I can

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<v Speaker 2>like tattoo you if you pass out drunk, and that's legal,

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<v Speaker 2>right because you're not aware of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Because you're not right. That's it's just like, well if

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<v Speaker 3>if you're quote unquote asleep, anything that happens, it's like

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<v Speaker 3>the international waters of consent, like it's fucking crazy sane.

0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:32.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you if you try to extend that anywhere else,

0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:35.000
<v Speaker 2>it just becomes increasing like it's it's just nuts.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah. And of course, like that rule wouldn't apply

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<v Speaker 3>to him. If yeah, if.

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<v Speaker 2>If you drew a dick on Pete heg'sa's face when

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<v Speaker 2>he's passed out drunk in a Pentagon closet, you would

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<v Speaker 2>get in trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>Drone strike you, Yeah, drone strike your house.

0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:51.360
<v Speaker 2>He would try to. So Pete is, in short, exactly

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of right wing dipshit you'd expect him to

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<v Speaker 2>be as a kid based on his current trajectory. He

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<v Speaker 2>goes on to work in finance. He works for Bear

0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.560
<v Speaker 2>that's his first job out of college, Just fucking Bear Stern,

0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:10.360
<v Speaker 2>great stuff. And he volunteers for the National Guard because

0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:12.640
<v Speaker 2>nine to eleven, and he winds up well, he gets

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<v Speaker 2>into ROTC first when he's in college, but then he

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<v Speaker 2>joins the National Guard as he's starting his fintech career,

0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:19.920
<v Speaker 2>and after a year or so, I think his fintech

0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:24.760
<v Speaker 2>career is interrupted when he deploys to Iraq, uh. So

0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:27.800
<v Speaker 2>he does a tour there, which we will talk about later.

0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:29.520
<v Speaker 2>This comes up in the book, so i'll talk a little.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll talk more about Hegsat's military career in that portion.

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<v Speaker 2>But after doing his tour, he winds up back in

0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:36.720
<v Speaker 2>New York, where he's just kind of like, then, this

0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:39.000
<v Speaker 2>is not an uncommon thing. He does seek combat a

0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:41.960
<v Speaker 2>lot of combat vets when they come back, like the

0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.640
<v Speaker 2>things really get bad for them, you know, not when

0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:46.200
<v Speaker 2>they're over there and not when they're in the ship.

0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.440
<v Speaker 2>When you wind up like just kind of locking yourself

0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:52.760
<v Speaker 2>alone in an apartment, and yeah, he starts drinking very heavily. Again,

0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:56.520
<v Speaker 2>not an uncommon story. He feels aimless and eventually solves

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<v Speaker 2>this by taking a job. Initially, he's like volunteering as

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<v Speaker 2>an assistant director at Vets for Freedom, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>five oh one C four group that he ultimately comes

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<v Speaker 2>to lead as the paid director of the organization.

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<v Speaker 3>It's no good because while he was in New York,

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<v Speaker 3>he could have just like gone to see Rent on Broadway.

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<v Speaker 2>On Rent, he could have developed a fatal addiction to Heroin.

0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:20.680
<v Speaker 3>You know, you you know, like he could have seen.

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<v Speaker 2>Alone off Broadway, you know, just just finally slip away,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Yeah, he just.

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<v Speaker 3>Go see Billy Elliott, you know, have a wine spritzer

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<v Speaker 3>calling a day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean yours is nicer than mine. But sure.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is like a very political five oh one

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<v Speaker 2>C four in like a shitty way. They spend millions

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<v Speaker 2>of dollars doing a PR campaign to support the surge

0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:47.720
<v Speaker 2>in Iraq. They spend another several million attacking Barack Obama's candidacy.

0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:51.240
<v Speaker 2>So this is like a right wing vets org. And

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<v Speaker 2>despite the fact that he winds up running it, he

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<v Speaker 2>is awful at this job. It is a disaster for

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<v Speaker 2>the VFF. He runs up massive debts, he takes them

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<v Speaker 2>into the red by well, part of it is, you know,

0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:06.720
<v Speaker 2>they're carrying out these massive PR campaigns, but part of

0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:10.120
<v Speaker 2>it is that he treats the organization's bank account allegedly

0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:13.000
<v Speaker 2>like a personal party fund, right like he's spending it,

0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:15.680
<v Speaker 2>he's traveling, he's doing a lot of drinking, good partying.

0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.880
<v Speaker 2>A lot of people are right. There's allegations and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>hear more allegations about the next org that he's involved in.

0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:25.400
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, this does not go well and he's kind

0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:27.720
<v Speaker 2>of his tenure is disastrous for the VFF.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So this is all in the mid two thousands.

0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:32.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the mid auts two thousand and eight is when

0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:34.000
<v Speaker 2>he got married. In like tas and four and two

0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:36.480
<v Speaker 2>thousand and eight, his first wife files for divorce after

0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.240
<v Speaker 2>he admits to cheating on her repeatedly, once with a

0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:45.360
<v Speaker 2>journalist he'd introduced to her. Yeah, so he gets left

0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:47.960
<v Speaker 2>a couple of years later or forced out of VFF.

0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:50.040
<v Speaker 2>You'll hear both things, either that he left or that

0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:51.880
<v Speaker 2>he's forced out. Anyway, he's gone.

0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.480
<v Speaker 3>From VFFA so sad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he attempts to run for Senate in Minnesota,

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<v Speaker 2>which we will talk about later. It doesn't work, right,

0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:04.840
<v Speaker 2>He's bad at this. So since he's failed at everything else,

0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:08.000
<v Speaker 2>he volunteers for another tour in Afghanistan. He does another

0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:11.080
<v Speaker 2>a tour in Afghanistan, he's promoted to major. He comes

0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:14.119
<v Speaker 2>back to the US, and in twenty twelve, he forms

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<v Speaker 2>a pack to help like minded conservative candidates. Per The

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<v Speaker 2>New Yorker. According to a report by American Public Media,

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<v Speaker 2>a third of the funds in Hegseth's pack were spent

0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.080
<v Speaker 2>on parties for his friends and family, in less than

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<v Speaker 2>half was spent on candidates.

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<v Speaker 3>So he sucks because it was like, like, I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>against this money being misused for parties.

0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:37.280
<v Speaker 2>It's much better than if it's used appropriately, right, because

0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:40.120
<v Speaker 2>it's a shitty organization, they both are, right.

0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:43.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like it should you know, it should be spent

0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:45.320
<v Speaker 3>on fancy food and alcohol.

0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:50.920
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, yeah, it's also it's just extremely funny to me, Like, yeah,

0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:54.199
<v Speaker 2>he now has a pattern and it's either start or

0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:58.080
<v Speaker 2>get you know, promoted to leading a charitable organization and

0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:03.000
<v Speaker 2>then spend its money getting hammered. Cool as hell. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So is he.

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<v Speaker 3>Like is he so twenty twelve? Is this like tea

0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:08.480
<v Speaker 3>party era? Like who is who is he running with?

0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:09.280
<v Speaker 3>Who's his crowd?

0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:12.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, yeah the tea party. Tea party has started

0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:15.600
<v Speaker 2>a couple of years ago at this point. Yeah, so

0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:18.040
<v Speaker 2>this is like that's all happening at this stage and

0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.760
<v Speaker 2>he's when he loses his candidacy. It's to like the

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<v Speaker 2>Ron Paul Organization backed candidate because he's like he's still

0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:28.440
<v Speaker 2>too much establishment neocon. You know, he's a bush conservative

0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:30.600
<v Speaker 2>at this point, which we used to see is extreme.

0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:33.840
<v Speaker 2>But oh how the turn have table.

0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:35.880
<v Speaker 3>Now they're just wittle guys.

0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're just widow guys.

0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:41.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's got look at it. I mean, I don't know,

0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:44.399
<v Speaker 3>I feel like some people not to put him in

0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:49.480
<v Speaker 3>a box. Oh, but let's do it. Yeah, something about

0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:52.080
<v Speaker 3>like guys that have like there it looks like their

0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:53.760
<v Speaker 3>hair is just like welded to their head.

0:18:53.880 --> 0:18:57.159
<v Speaker 2>You're like, I don't trust there on there.

0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:00.400
<v Speaker 3>Like whatever product not. I mean, I know he by

0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:02.960
<v Speaker 3>being a fascist honestly, but also you have to imagine

0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:06.000
<v Speaker 3>some chemicals are seeping into the scalp there with that,

0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:07.879
<v Speaker 3>what with the hair being welded directly.

0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:09.879
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, no, no, no, no, they're getting in. That's

0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:12.600
<v Speaker 2>that's what happened to Rudy Giuliani, Right, He had the

0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:14.879
<v Speaker 2>same haircare routine as Pete. Hegseth and a lot of

0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.359
<v Speaker 2>it leaked out of him, you know, and when he

0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:19.640
<v Speaker 2>lost his goo, that's when he started losing all those

0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:22.480
<v Speaker 2>lawsuits the goo was what was protecting him from the lawsuits.

0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:24.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the goo is protecting him from being tricked into

0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:28.400
<v Speaker 3>being in Borat two a loa in more ways than one.

0:19:28.440 --> 0:19:31.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was load bearing goo, brutal Jesus Christ. I

0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:34.360
<v Speaker 2>forgot that happened. Fucking Juliani.

0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:38.080
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, this bitch will do anything.

0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, we'll need to do an episode on of him

0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:42.320
<v Speaker 2>when it's time for us to, like when when everyone's

0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:44.720
<v Speaker 2>morale is even lower and we really need we need

0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:46.640
<v Speaker 2>to win, like a happy episode.

0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:50.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean there's just like no failure, Like there's

0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:52.120
<v Speaker 3>it's fun. It's fun to do an episode where there's

0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:54.720
<v Speaker 3>just no shortage of els sprinkled between their.

0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:56.280
<v Speaker 2>Christ It's nothing but else.

0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:58.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, who was he was?

0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:01.560
<v Speaker 1>He the saddest person we saw at the He was

0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:02.680
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't my pillow guy.

0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:05.879
<v Speaker 2>He was my pillow guy. Was sadder because Juliani at least,

0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:08.359
<v Speaker 2>like I had a nice fight with Rudy Giuliani, and

0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:11.240
<v Speaker 2>like I did enjoy the fact that, like unlike every

0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:14.320
<v Speaker 2>other major figure there that you would like try to engage,

0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:16.960
<v Speaker 2>they were too pr trained and too smart to really

0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:19.520
<v Speaker 2>want to get into it with some journalists. But Rudy

0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:21.960
<v Speaker 2>was to me like, oh, yeah, let's fucking brawl. What

0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:24.600
<v Speaker 2>did you fight with Rudy about Ukraine? We had like

0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:27.920
<v Speaker 2>tished an episode it could happen here about it, but like, yeah,

0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:30.200
<v Speaker 2>we had like a fucking ten or fifteen minute like.

0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:33.960
<v Speaker 3>He was just hanging around the like radio because.

0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:37.760
<v Speaker 2>He wasn't welcome in the real conviction because the art. Yeah,

0:20:38.040 --> 0:20:40.040
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I mean, and he was bored as hell.

0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:43.960
<v Speaker 3>God. They should do a sequel to the James Wood

0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:46.679
<v Speaker 3>Rudy Giuliani movie.

0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, I forgot that existed. Holy shit. Yeah, I

0:20:51.359 --> 0:20:53.520
<v Speaker 2>know bag when he was America's mayor.

0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:57.240
<v Speaker 3>Fuck me, yeah, I mean it's a very sincere movie.

0:20:57.520 --> 0:20:59.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's sincerely stupid as shit.

0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:01.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, called America's mayor.

0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:04.439
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean that's what we it might be, but

0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:08.320
<v Speaker 2>that's what we call Rudy. Growing up as a conservative.

0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:11.640
<v Speaker 3>Like that go around too. I like that city that's

0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:12.960
<v Speaker 3>got a dog for mayor.

0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:17.000
<v Speaker 2>I think, Yeah, I don't think mayor should be legal

0:21:17.119 --> 0:21:18.840
<v Speaker 2>or I think we should. I think we should have,

0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:21.080
<v Speaker 2>like you know, some of those cultures that would like

0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:24.240
<v Speaker 2>ritualistically kill their leaders, that's what we should do to

0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:26.639
<v Speaker 2>mayor's should be built into legal system that we had,

0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:29.280
<v Speaker 2>like a Wickerman after every mayor's term.

0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:33.680
<v Speaker 3>That's Santa University rules. At the end, get university rules.

0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:35.920
<v Speaker 3>You get one year tenure of Santa and then you're

0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:37.119
<v Speaker 3>publicly executed.

0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:39.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think that we that's that's that's how we

0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:42.480
<v Speaker 2>should that. That's like when we write our new constitution.

0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:45.640
<v Speaker 2>That's how our elected leaders should work. Yeah, we're now

0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:48.639
<v Speaker 2>doing a Wickerman for everybody.

0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:51.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh you care, what are you willing to put on

0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:52.200
<v Speaker 3>the line.

0:21:52.320 --> 0:21:55.240
<v Speaker 2>You were a great alder man. Unfortunately your years up

0:21:55.880 --> 0:21:59.480
<v Speaker 2>at every level, at every level, the fucking school board.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is the comptroller and like, sorry, brother.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, would it be a good system? No? Would it

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<v Speaker 2>work better than our current system? Maybe?

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I think it's worth a shot.

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<v Speaker 2>Perhaps.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's worth a shot, and it would really

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<v Speaker 3>bring people together for particular individuals.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of things that bring people together, Jamie, the products

0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:23.160
<v Speaker 2>and services that support this podcast.

0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:26.000
<v Speaker 3>I love to gather around a good product or service

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<v Speaker 3>with my loved ones.

0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:28.840
<v Speaker 2>Gather around be warmed by it.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, just like the corpse of a squirrel.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the corpse of a squirrel.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn it, guy, we're back.

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<v Speaker 2>Sophie is still not happy.

0:22:44.920 --> 0:22:48.439
<v Speaker 3>No, can you see it from your window? No, not

0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:52.320
<v Speaker 3>from not from where I am. But okay, but that's probably.

0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:59.320
<v Speaker 3>But I can see it in here. Elizabeth the Squirrel.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she was a Fulbright scholar, Sophie Jesus fun.

0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:06.200
<v Speaker 3>She had a huge future ahead of hers. I really sad.

0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:10.360
<v Speaker 2>It's very tragic. Yeah, speaking of things that are tragic,

0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:12.720
<v Speaker 2>the fact that Pete Hegseth exists.

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<v Speaker 3>The fact that Pete hegg Seth sentence.

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<v Speaker 2>In twenty fourteen, heg Seth started making appearances on Fox News,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was initially usually like a pinch hitter, right,

0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:23.960
<v Speaker 2>he was even't have a show. He would come and

0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:26.359
<v Speaker 2>be a talking head on segments. Right, He's a veteran.

0:23:26.400 --> 0:23:31.080
<v Speaker 2>He leads a veterans organizations to talk about this. Right.

0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:33.600
<v Speaker 2>He's doing that for a while, off and on, and

0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:36.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, he's he's he's got whatever Fox likes, right,

0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:41.120
<v Speaker 2>He's he's enough like of a Okay, this this guy

0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:44.440
<v Speaker 2>is what our audience considers like a straight laced looking

0:23:44.480 --> 0:23:46.760
<v Speaker 2>military man. So yeah, we'll throw him in whenever we

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<v Speaker 2>need somebody.

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<v Speaker 3>The helmet hair. It's the I feel like everyone at

0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:54.560
<v Speaker 3>Fox News has the same lukewarm soup they bring to lunch, Yes,

0:23:54.640 --> 0:23:56.280
<v Speaker 3>lukeworm soup and brown alcohol.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, that's that's precisely right. And for Hegseth, it's

0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:05.679
<v Speaker 2>basically all brown liquor. So he helps to lead. He

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<v Speaker 2>also in this time he gets hired to lead another

0:24:08.359 --> 0:24:14.320
<v Speaker 2>veterans organization CVA, or the Concerned Veterans for America. So

0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:17.520
<v Speaker 2>here he exhibits the same kind of incompetence and corruption

0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:20.439
<v Speaker 2>that had seen him pushed out of the VFF. He was,

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<v Speaker 2>in fact, party is so bad, oh Jamie. Not just parties,

0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:26.439
<v Speaker 2>it's there's so much about how bad he is at

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<v Speaker 2>this job. There is an internal whistleblower report that's commissioned

0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:34.159
<v Speaker 2>about his three year tenure leading the organization. I'm going

0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:35.760
<v Speaker 2>to read a summary from an article in The New

0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:39.400
<v Speaker 2>Yorker of like what this report reveals. The detailed seven

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<v Speaker 2>page report, which was compiled by multiple formal CVA employees

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<v Speaker 2>and sent to the organization's senior management in February twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 2>states that at one point Hegseth had to be restrained

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<v Speaker 2>while drunk, from joining the dancers on the stage of

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<v Speaker 2>a Louisiana strip club where he had brought his team

0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:56.879
<v Speaker 2>The report also says that Hegseth, who was married at

0:24:56.880 --> 0:24:59.280
<v Speaker 2>the time, and other members of his management team sexually

0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:02.720
<v Speaker 2>pursued the org organization's female staffers, who they divided into

0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:05.840
<v Speaker 2>two groups, the party Girls and the not Party Girls.

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<v Speaker 2>In addition, the report asserts that under Hegseth's leadership, the

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<v Speaker 2>organization became a hostile workplace that ignored serious accusations of impropriety,

0:25:13.800 --> 0:25:16.640
<v Speaker 2>including an allegation made by a female employee that another

0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:19.920
<v Speaker 2>employee on Hegseth's staff had attempted to sexually assault her

0:25:19.920 --> 0:25:22.560
<v Speaker 2>at the Louisiana Strip Club and a separate letter of

0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:25.119
<v Speaker 2>complaint which was sent to the organization in late twenty fifteen.

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<v Speaker 2>A different employee described Hegseth being at a bar in

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<v Speaker 2>the early morning hours of May twenty ninth, twenty fifteen,

0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:34.080
<v Speaker 2>while on an official tour through Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio, drunkenly

0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:37.200
<v Speaker 2>chanting kill a Muslim.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh cool guy, Wow, yes, shocking. He found time for

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:42.479
<v Speaker 3>all of that.

0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:45.800
<v Speaker 2>First of all, I do. Most of that's not enjoyable,

0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:47.679
<v Speaker 2>but it is funny to be How often the words

0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Louisiana Strip club show up in this article on beat Hegsath.

0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:55.680
<v Speaker 3>You didn't learn so much. I mean, and did he tip?

0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:57.000
<v Speaker 3>That's something anything.

0:25:57.080 --> 0:26:02.080
<v Speaker 2>Strip took away. There's no single way, so Jamie, sorry.

0:26:02.280 --> 0:26:04.720
<v Speaker 3>One, it's an honor. It's an honor. We are one.

0:26:04.760 --> 0:26:08.640
<v Speaker 3>Thank you, we are one. It's that's miserable. I mean, there,

0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:10.920
<v Speaker 3>this is the way that a person acts when they

0:26:10.960 --> 0:26:14.720
<v Speaker 3>can't live with themselves. Yeah, if nothing else, but there,

0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:17.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's just so many levels there because it's

0:26:17.040 --> 0:26:20.399
<v Speaker 3>like in one way he's engaging in this very I

0:26:20.440 --> 0:26:24.919
<v Speaker 3>don't know, like this very fraternity but also sorority behavior

0:26:25.040 --> 0:26:27.639
<v Speaker 3>like the party girls versus non party girl sounds like

0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:30.200
<v Speaker 3>some Regina George shit, Like that's just bizarre.

0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:34.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's just gross dude stuff,

0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:36.960
<v Speaker 2>right Like we got the party girls that we hire

0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:38.480
<v Speaker 2>because you know, you hire them because you would have

0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:40.479
<v Speaker 2>fuck them, right Like. That's that's what's going on in

0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:43.240
<v Speaker 2>this group right now. That's his management style, and.

0:26:43.200 --> 0:26:45.679
<v Speaker 3>It's and it's rich that he thinks he could, like

0:26:45.920 --> 0:26:49.080
<v Speaker 3>you know, weed out a competent employee from a non

0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:51.760
<v Speaker 3>competent one, given the fact that he seems like unable

0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:54.600
<v Speaker 3>to do a single job that he has no.

0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:56.920
<v Speaker 2>No, no, Because again, it's all about just getting drunk

0:26:56.920 --> 0:27:00.560
<v Speaker 2>and partying, right, and sexually harassing slash assaulting your colleagues

0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:02.320
<v Speaker 2>and racism.

0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:04.280
<v Speaker 3>Right, So he's he's a racist molester.

0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:07.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he gets he gets allegedly he gets kicked

0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:10.719
<v Speaker 2>out in twenty sixteen. There are that we have in

0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:13.560
<v Speaker 2>the record a bunch of celebratory emails from his former

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:17.000
<v Speaker 2>colleagues being like, thank god, that guy's out right. One

0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:19.240
<v Speaker 2>of these messages includes the claim that he quote treated

0:27:19.280 --> 0:27:22.120
<v Speaker 2>the organization funds like they were a personal expense account

0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:24.639
<v Speaker 2>for partying, drinking, and using CVA events as little more

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:26.800
<v Speaker 2>than opportunities to hook up with women on the road.

0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:32.200
<v Speaker 2>Who guy, So that's his third job, his third organization

0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:37.360
<v Speaker 2>that he's been shitcanned from for massive corruption right through them. Yeah,

0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:40.320
<v Speaker 2>he's just he's daring through these fucking things. I guess

0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:42.000
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't get kicked out of the second because he

0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:42.520
<v Speaker 2>starts in.

0:27:42.800 --> 0:27:46.080
<v Speaker 3>Are these mostly like lateral moves? Is he like moving

0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:48.040
<v Speaker 3>his way up the ranks in any way? Or is

0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:49.920
<v Speaker 3>his Are these mostly just lateral?

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 2>He's moved his way up at Fox's, he's getting more

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:56.080
<v Speaker 2>prominent within the conservative sphere because again, there's never any

0:27:56.119 --> 0:27:59.040
<v Speaker 2>accountability to these guys. But like his former colleagues at

0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:02.199
<v Speaker 2>these veterans organizations, even though they're all a lot conservative,

0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:05.120
<v Speaker 2>are like this guy absolutely should never have any job

0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:07.120
<v Speaker 2>with any responsibility. He's the worst.

0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:10.719
<v Speaker 3>Well, Fox in twenty sixteen, it's all but like required

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:13.639
<v Speaker 3>that you have some priors at being sexy.

0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:16.400
<v Speaker 2>Yes, you have the literal devil in your blood. Yes.

0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:17.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:20.320
<v Speaker 2>In twenty seventeen, during a Flag Day event hosted by Fox,

0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 2>Hegseth threw an axe and accidentally hit an injuredy US

0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:27.560
<v Speaker 2>Military Academy drummer, causing serious injuries. There's a lawsuit over this.

0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:29.280
<v Speaker 2>He claims long term damage.

0:28:29.440 --> 0:28:31.600
<v Speaker 3>Sorry, why was he throwing it? It's like there's like.

0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:35.240
<v Speaker 2>Ax throwing going on, you know. It's like like the

0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:37.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of hobby thing, and that he's just shit at

0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:40.560
<v Speaker 2>it because he sucks at everything, and he hits this drummer.

0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:44.320
<v Speaker 3>Boy, if you give an addict an axe.

0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:46.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, so funny, it's so funny.

0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 3>God, did the drummer at least get a book deal?

0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:52.160
<v Speaker 2>No? No, I think there's a settlement probably, but no,

0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't get shit because again we don't as Americans. Look,

0:28:57.200 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 2>you celebrate the person who throws axes. Not the person

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:02.120
<v Speaker 2>who's dumb enough to get hit by an axe because

0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:04.280
<v Speaker 2>they happen to be doing their job and don't expect

0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:07.320
<v Speaker 2>that the future Secretary of Defense will herald an axe

0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:07.680
<v Speaker 2>at them.

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 3>Wow, victim blaming our nation's great percussionists.

0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:14.280
<v Speaker 2>How can you? Yeah, I'm always look, you know, this

0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:16.520
<v Speaker 2>is the only time I'll be on Heckseth's side. But

0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:18.560
<v Speaker 2>if the other thing is a band kid.

0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:23.840
<v Speaker 3>I got okay, jealous jealous.

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Anti band kid ass.

0:29:25.840 --> 0:29:27.960
<v Speaker 3>I pull up my obo case aarts shaking it.

0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:29.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course it was an obo.

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:38.160
<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, away so high. No, he's Sophia. Unfortunately, he's right.

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:43.920
<v Speaker 3>I need to take that. I need to take No, No,

0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:47.560
<v Speaker 3>you're right, you're right. I have to. Obo's are a

0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:56.280
<v Speaker 3>big bisexual indicator. Historically, it's just true history. That's just

0:29:56.440 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 3>that's history. Players sound off in the chest.

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:02.360
<v Speaker 2>There we go, There we go. The ob obon nation

0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:03.920
<v Speaker 2>is going to fucking sound off.

0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:06.640
<v Speaker 3>Is literally I think it's like Oba playing the Obo

0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:09.600
<v Speaker 3>and like getting really into a series of unfortunate events

0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:15.360
<v Speaker 3>or major millennial Yeah, bisexual indicators. Who can say why?

0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Who can say saying that?

0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:18.680
<v Speaker 3>Because those were your only off.

0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:26.320
<v Speaker 2>Of us Yeah, there's gonna be a whole thread in

0:30:26.360 --> 0:30:28.760
<v Speaker 2>the subreddit with like nine hundred replies about this.

0:30:28.960 --> 0:30:31.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're unionizing as we speak.

0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Everybody who felt weird reading the series of Unfortunate Event

0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:36.280
<v Speaker 2>novels and yeah, played an obo or some kind of

0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:37.160
<v Speaker 2>read instrument.

0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:38.840
<v Speaker 3>So many crush options.

0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Wow. So his career at Fox goes a lot better

0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:45.240
<v Speaker 2>than his career leading you know, these organizations. He becomes

0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:48.200
<v Speaker 2>an official co host in January of twenty seventeen, just

0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:50.800
<v Speaker 2>as Trump begins his term, and he is able to

0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:54.320
<v Speaker 2>get this job because he starts having sex with Initially,

0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:57.040
<v Speaker 2>I think it's uh, I'm not sure. No, he would

0:30:57.040 --> 0:30:59.120
<v Speaker 2>have been divorced by now. Anyway, he wounds up, winds

0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:02.959
<v Speaker 2>up marrying the Fox producer Jennifer Roche keeps putting him

0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:06.240
<v Speaker 2>on the air, and I think she's his third wife,

0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:08.600
<v Speaker 2>maybe a second. He has three. He's been divorced like

0:31:08.680 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 2>three times. So great guy. Anyway, he hooks up with

0:31:13.200 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 2>this Fox producer who keeps putting him on the air,

0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 2>and so he bounces around a few different shows he's

0:31:19.200 --> 0:31:21.520
<v Speaker 2>on regularly, and he kind of makes a point of

0:31:21.560 --> 0:31:24.120
<v Speaker 2>just taking whatever is the most radical take that will

0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:26.160
<v Speaker 2>learn him Trump's attention. It's just kind of like, I'm

0:31:26.200 --> 0:31:28.680
<v Speaker 2>going to be a shameless boot licker on Fox because

0:31:28.720 --> 0:31:31.600
<v Speaker 2>he watches Fox habitually, and so I want him to

0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:35.720
<v Speaker 2>see me repeatedly being nice to him, right, And he's

0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:38.080
<v Speaker 2>doing this to campaign to become the Secretary of Defense,

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:40.640
<v Speaker 2>which he can't manage during Trump's first term because Trump

0:31:40.680 --> 0:31:42.720
<v Speaker 2>is still listening to a couple of adults a little

0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:44.600
<v Speaker 2>too much who are like, I don't know, the guy

0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:49.400
<v Speaker 2>who can't even run a fucking like in Goo without

0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:51.560
<v Speaker 2>spinning all of the money on hookers and blow probably

0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:54.600
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't be running the army. We have a lot more money.

0:31:55.080 --> 0:31:58.440
<v Speaker 3>There's a lot better you like, So there's far better

0:31:58.520 --> 0:31:59.520
<v Speaker 3>sex criminals to run.

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:04.040
<v Speaker 2>Ye, Yeah, we can find you sex criminals. Don't worry, you.

0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:07.200
<v Speaker 3>Know, We're aware of what needs to happen.

0:32:07.240 --> 0:32:11.040
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah. So, as part of his ongoing attempt to

0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:14.960
<v Speaker 2>both identify himself with the ascendant Christian nationalist movement and

0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:17.800
<v Speaker 2>to force Trump to take note of him, in twenty twenty,

0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:22.320
<v Speaker 2>he publishes the book American Crusade, right, which is what

0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:25.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of the core of our episodes this

0:32:25.320 --> 0:32:28.440
<v Speaker 2>week are going to be about. So let's get into

0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:33.479
<v Speaker 2>that wonderful book. American Crusade a nice innocuous title, so

0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:35.760
<v Speaker 2>I suppose, first off, it's not surprising that this book

0:32:35.800 --> 0:32:38.800
<v Speaker 2>starts off with a dedication to his family and his

0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:42.200
<v Speaker 2>kids primarily. And his kids have his wives, really what

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:45.000
<v Speaker 2>I hear from him? They have the names you'd expect.

0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:48.200
<v Speaker 2>You get a guess. Guess one of the names?

0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, before we start, should we show Jamie the

0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:51.320
<v Speaker 1>fucking cover?

0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:56.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's show Jamie the cover? Why not? Why not? Jimi?

0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:58.760
<v Speaker 2>You want to describe that to our listeners on who

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:01.600
<v Speaker 2>are listening because of a podcast, and you should watch

0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:04.160
<v Speaker 2>it on video. Hello, video listeners, we love you.

0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:06.600
<v Speaker 3>We love you so much. Stop looking at.

0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Us, Stop looking at us, freaks.

0:33:09.600 --> 0:33:13.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm guessing, Okay, I love you. Guess Uh Chase Griffin,

0:33:15.040 --> 0:33:19.080
<v Speaker 3>uh Nathaniel.

0:33:19.840 --> 0:33:23.920
<v Speaker 2>Damn Jamie. No, No, that's a bunch of big big l's. Yeah. No,

0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:28.560
<v Speaker 2>first one which you should have gotten, Gunner, Okay.

0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:34.280
<v Speaker 3>You should Havener Gunner Gunner Obama and.

0:33:36.600 --> 0:33:40.280
<v Speaker 2>Gunner Jackson. Peter Boone. And that's the one he gives

0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 2>two names for us. I'm guessing his first name is

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:48.720
<v Speaker 2>Peter Boone. Kinsey, Luke, Rex and gwendolet and Little Nuke,

0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:54.720
<v Speaker 2>Little Nuke, Gunner and Rex are released, sending me, Wow, Gunner,

0:33:56.400 --> 0:33:59.360
<v Speaker 2>good stuff. Man, I'm surprised there's not a Hunter in there.

0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:03.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Hunter, that's okay, that that I might have gotten

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:07.960
<v Speaker 3>to Hunter. This cover is is nuts. He can't be

0:34:08.080 --> 0:34:09.800
<v Speaker 3>his body. That's not his body.

0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:13.279
<v Speaker 2>He I mean, if he's on enough tested trend sure,

0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:14.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he's taken steroids.

0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:19.399
<v Speaker 3>You know. I'm really struggling with like the neck to

0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:21.560
<v Speaker 3>head ratio. Yes, that is.

0:34:21.440 --> 0:34:23.680
<v Speaker 2>His shopping going down there. You can see a big

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:26.360
<v Speaker 2>WE the People tattoo on his forearm. He's like waving

0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:29.959
<v Speaker 2>a flag. It's just like the dipshittiest cover.

0:34:30.440 --> 0:34:33.239
<v Speaker 3>The angle of the WE the People tattoo only makes

0:34:33.239 --> 0:34:36.640
<v Speaker 3>sense in the context of this picture. Like if he

0:34:36.760 --> 0:34:39.160
<v Speaker 3>if this that was normally the ankle it was at,

0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:40.120
<v Speaker 3>it would be crooked.

0:34:40.920 --> 0:34:44.719
<v Speaker 1>But that's what But but this is clearly AI, this

0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 1>is this is this is not, this is this is

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:51.360
<v Speaker 1>not this is not his body. But there's there's things

0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:52.200
<v Speaker 1>that we're done here.

0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:54.640
<v Speaker 3>But I appreciate that. I would love to see him

0:34:54.680 --> 0:34:57.080
<v Speaker 3>actually try to do this. At the top of it,

0:34:57.080 --> 0:35:02.160
<v Speaker 3>it says and quote peoples. No punches with this book, yeah,

0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:06.640
<v Speaker 3>Sean Hannity, Yeah, nice, No, it's always it's always fun

0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:08.719
<v Speaker 3>with this stuff because you're like, there's no way Sean

0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:11.160
<v Speaker 3>Hanndity wrote this book. But then in some ways there's

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:13.360
<v Speaker 3>no way that Pete Hegseth wrote this book. Do you

0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:15.160
<v Speaker 3>think he could it was ghost written or do you

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:18.440
<v Speaker 3>think you wrote it? Let's let's let's let Robert and

0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:20.399
<v Speaker 3>then he does.

0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:23.200
<v Speaker 2>Right, you know, he's got this editorial position. He definitely

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:25.120
<v Speaker 2>writes some of it. I suspect it's a thing where

0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:28.560
<v Speaker 2>it gets like, you know, massaged by a real writer,

0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:31.839
<v Speaker 2>but there's a lot of it that seems very Pete right.

0:35:32.680 --> 0:35:36.080
<v Speaker 2>In fact, the opening, after he lists his kids' names, uh,

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:38.880
<v Speaker 2>he gives a quote from Theodore Roosevelt. Right, Every chapter

0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:41.920
<v Speaker 2>opens with a quote from a great American, usually Donald Trump,

0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:44.600
<v Speaker 2>but this one's Theodore Roosevelt. There is not room in

0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:47.160
<v Speaker 2>the country for any fifty to fifty American, nor can

0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:50.799
<v Speaker 2>there be but one loyalty to the stars and stripes, right,

0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:53.680
<v Speaker 2>which you know I might say that, well, if your

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:57.840
<v Speaker 2>loyalty is to your weird interpretation of Christianity over the Constitution,

0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:01.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe You're not one hundred anyway. Whatever, That's

0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:04.000
<v Speaker 2>not how he sees it. So here's how the chapter opens,

0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Our American Crusade. Chapter one, Take a moment to consider

0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:10.000
<v Speaker 2>your part in the miracle of the twenty sixteen election,

0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:12.520
<v Speaker 2>the history we made as sons and daughters of freedom.

0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:15.719
<v Speaker 2>For the left, that humiliating defeat strengthened their resolve to

0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:19.560
<v Speaker 2>achieve their ultimate goal, erasing America's soul, culture and institutions.

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:21.680
<v Speaker 2>We are the ones standing in their way and have

0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:23.200
<v Speaker 2>been targeted for annihilation.

0:36:24.080 --> 0:36:26.040
<v Speaker 3>Wow. I like that he adds it a little bit.

0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:29.120
<v Speaker 3>He's like, on top of being a motherfucking piece of

0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:31.960
<v Speaker 3>he's also kind of bitchy. He's like, I'm praying for

0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:35.000
<v Speaker 3>my haters. I'm praying for all my haters on the left.

0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, he's not praying for him.

0:36:36.520 --> 0:36:36.960
<v Speaker 1>He is.

0:36:37.000 --> 0:36:38.520
<v Speaker 2>This is a book about how we need to kill

0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:41.920
<v Speaker 2>the left. Right that is his and like every allegation

0:36:42.040 --> 0:36:45.160
<v Speaker 2>here is an admission. Right that Like, because he's constantly

0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:46.680
<v Speaker 2>talking the left wants to kill us all though, they

0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:48.200
<v Speaker 2>want to wipe us all out. That's why we have

0:36:48.280 --> 0:36:52.200
<v Speaker 2>to have total victory against them. Right, It's like it's this,

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:55.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, they're as bad as we are, so we

0:36:55.280 --> 0:36:57.319
<v Speaker 2>have to do to them what we wanted to do

0:36:57.400 --> 0:36:59.920
<v Speaker 2>to him anyway. But we can pretend we're defending ourselves,

0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:01.040
<v Speaker 2>right right.

0:37:01.000 --> 0:37:03.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're even worse. We got to get him first.

0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:05.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. He goes out a claim that we the people,

0:37:06.200 --> 0:37:09.000
<v Speaker 2>we all feel that quote. The other side, the left

0:37:09.120 --> 0:37:12.919
<v Speaker 2>is not our friend. We are not esteemed colleagues, nor

0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:17.200
<v Speaker 2>mere political opponents. And I think this part is valuable.

0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:18.680
<v Speaker 2>I think there's some of this that I really would

0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:21.040
<v Speaker 2>like to shove in the hands of, like especially a

0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:25.160
<v Speaker 2>lot of elected Democrats, because Hegseth very neatly sweeps away

0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:27.480
<v Speaker 2>the claims that are made by guys like Biden that like,

0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:29.560
<v Speaker 2>well there's good Republicans, we got to work with them.

0:37:29.600 --> 0:37:32.080
<v Speaker 2>You know, we need a strong Republican party. It's just

0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:33.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, some of this magas stuff. We got to

0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:35.600
<v Speaker 2>dust off it. But like, it's good to have strong

0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:38.840
<v Speaker 2>conservatives in government with us. And Hegseth is making the

0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:41.600
<v Speaker 2>point that no, like there's no conservatives that you can

0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:44.720
<v Speaker 2>trust because we the left, like we are not esteemed

0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:47.960
<v Speaker 2>colleagues and we're not political opponents. We want to destroy you.

0:37:47.960 --> 0:37:50.600
<v Speaker 2>You can't work with us. Right, and that's that is

0:37:50.640 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 2>the truth about modern conservatism, about the Republican Party. You

0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:56.480
<v Speaker 2>can't work with them, right, They've made it clear it

0:37:56.520 --> 0:38:00.840
<v Speaker 2>should be obvious, but a lot of Mainstreammocrats refuse to

0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:01.440
<v Speaker 2>fucking believe.

0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:03.800
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, they're just so yeah. I mean, well,

0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:07.000
<v Speaker 3>best of luck with that project, because it feels like

0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:09.400
<v Speaker 3>if there's one thing mainstream Democrats aren't going to do,

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:13.680
<v Speaker 3>it's read a direct threat against them and take it seriously.

0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Right, right, and there are direct threats in here. Hegxeth

0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:18.239
<v Speaker 2>goes on to say, we are foes. Either we win

0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:22.400
<v Speaker 2>or they win. We agree on nothing else. Okay, maybe

0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:25.160
<v Speaker 2>treat them like that, guys, you know that's what they're saying.

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:28.680
<v Speaker 3>No, No, they just they we need to empathize, we

0:38:28.719 --> 0:38:29.560
<v Speaker 3>need empathy with you.

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:33.560
<v Speaker 2>I yeah, I'm done with that. I was raised these guys.

0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:35.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't have empathy for me when I was this

0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:39.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of person, like I suck. So Pete goes on

0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:42.200
<v Speaker 2>to brag that the US has the top economy and military,

0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:46.839
<v Speaker 2>but that our cultural and educational institutions, America's soul have

0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:51.160
<v Speaker 2>succumbed to leftist rot and even a once in a

0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:54.680
<v Speaker 2>generation electoral miracle like twenty sixteen won't be enough to

0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:57.359
<v Speaker 2>save us, which is funny considering how twenty twenty four

0:38:57.400 --> 0:38:59.560
<v Speaker 2>went down. A lot of this book is like darkly

0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:02.000
<v Speaker 2>funny in light of the fact that they won in

0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:06.960
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four and lost in twenty twenty. So Pete

0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:09.400
<v Speaker 2>says that our future existence as sons and daughters of

0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:13.080
<v Speaker 2>freedom can only happen if after the quote categorical defeat

0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:16.320
<v Speaker 2>of the Left. Thus, this time in our history calls

0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:20.040
<v Speaker 2>for an all caps American crusade. Yes, a holy war

0:39:20.120 --> 0:39:22.839
<v Speaker 2>for the righteous cause of human freedom. Wow.

0:39:22.920 --> 0:39:26.719
<v Speaker 3>Title drops title mentioned t mentioned good stuff. I like

0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:28.200
<v Speaker 3>that to put it in caps, just in case it

0:39:28.239 --> 0:39:28.640
<v Speaker 3>wasn't clear.

0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:30.480
<v Speaker 2>You gotta put you gotta put it in caps. You

0:39:30.560 --> 0:39:31.560
<v Speaker 2>gotta put in caps.

0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:34.560
<v Speaker 3>I mean the rhetoric is like, I guess kind of

0:39:34.600 --> 0:39:38.560
<v Speaker 3>what I would expect. Does he get specific? Is there?

0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:40.480
<v Speaker 3>Does he is? The book about the plan?

0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:43.879
<v Speaker 2>I mean kind of. Pete's not a great planning guy.

0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:46.400
<v Speaker 2>He's not a great knowing how he's you know, not

0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:47.839
<v Speaker 2>going to be a great war leader guy.

0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:51.040
<v Speaker 3>For that reason, one allocate one third of the budget

0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:52.160
<v Speaker 3>to parties for me.

0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:55.640
<v Speaker 2>There's some of that, but it's mainly about getting It's

0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:59.239
<v Speaker 2>mainly about like getting everybody like riled up for an

0:39:59.280 --> 0:40:02.360
<v Speaker 2>existential battle that he believes twenty twenty was going to be,

0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:05.720
<v Speaker 2>right like this, this crusade of you know, it's trying

0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:09.520
<v Speaker 2>to get people on the side of extermination, right heg

0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Seth then directly cites the First Crusade as his example

0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:15.560
<v Speaker 2>of what we need to return to. He describes the

0:40:15.560 --> 0:40:18.279
<v Speaker 2>First Crusade as happening a thousand years ago. After years

0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:22.280
<v Speaker 2>of Christians, or of Europeans ceding land to Muslim hordes,

0:40:23.520 --> 0:40:25.719
<v Speaker 2>the Pope finally got around to declaring a crusade in

0:40:25.800 --> 0:40:28.200
<v Speaker 2>order to save Europe, and his nights march to war

0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:32.800
<v Speaker 2>under the cry Deus volt or God wills it. Now

0:40:33.080 --> 0:40:36.040
<v Speaker 2>I should interject here because Pete has a deis volt tattoo,

0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:38.879
<v Speaker 2>and this is a meaningful term on the far right

0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:42.879
<v Speaker 2>and the neo Nazi rite right to interject here. First off,

0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:45.120
<v Speaker 2>all of the history here is nonsense, right, Like his

0:40:45.320 --> 0:40:49.600
<v Speaker 2>history of the Crusades is not accurate. The Guardian interviewed pus.

0:40:49.480 --> 0:40:51.800
<v Speaker 3>My question, I was like this does this doesn't sound.

0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:53.480
<v Speaker 2>That that's we're gonna talk about that first?

0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:54.040
<v Speaker 3>Okay?

0:40:54.400 --> 0:40:57.400
<v Speaker 2>The Guardian interviewed Matthew Gabriel, who's a professor of medieval

0:40:57.440 --> 0:40:59.920
<v Speaker 2>studies at Virginia Tech, and he pointed out there were

0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:03.320
<v Speaker 2>absolutely no incursions to mainland Europe. If anything. Islam was

0:41:03.400 --> 0:41:05.640
<v Speaker 2>kind of on the retreat in Iberia and other places

0:41:05.680 --> 0:41:08.320
<v Speaker 2>as well, so there was no large geopolitical shift or

0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:11.040
<v Speaker 2>any kind of immediate threat of Islam taking over Europe

0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:13.560
<v Speaker 2>right like they were not, in fact on the defensive

0:41:14.000 --> 0:41:15.320
<v Speaker 2>when the crusade started.

0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:18.240
<v Speaker 3>Well, that doesn't sound good and it doesn't serve his point.

0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:22.440
<v Speaker 3>This is just another reminder that in mainstream publishing, fact

0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:25.120
<v Speaker 3>checking is not an allocated part of the budget.

0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:28.080
<v Speaker 2>No, it's not you got to do that's not crazy.

0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Today they don't give a shit anymore.

0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:32.320
<v Speaker 3>You got to pay out a pocket if you want

0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:32.719
<v Speaker 3>that shit.

0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:36.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, because there's no money and being accurate.

0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:38.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeh, books wouldn't sell as well.

0:41:38.160 --> 0:41:41.120
<v Speaker 2>So Pete is not at all alone in taking deis

0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:44.239
<v Speaker 2>vault on as a rallying cry. White supremacists have used

0:41:44.280 --> 0:41:47.000
<v Speaker 2>it as a catchphrase for years now, and he's mainly

0:41:47.040 --> 0:41:49.440
<v Speaker 2>noteworthy for being the most prominent political figure in the

0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:52.920
<v Speaker 2>country to do so. After the first Unite the Right

0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:55.280
<v Speaker 2>rally in Charlottesville, which is the first time many reporters

0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:58.280
<v Speaker 2>and regular Americans saw the phrase in use by Nazis

0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:01.880
<v Speaker 2>and other white supremacist marchers. Outlets like NPR published interviews

0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:05.120
<v Speaker 2>with experts like Medieval Academy of America had Lisa Davis,

0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:07.719
<v Speaker 2>who pointed out that Europe during the Crusade period was

0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:10.920
<v Speaker 2>not white, and that far right marchers at Charlottesville adorned

0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:13.200
<v Speaker 2>themselves with symbols like that of Saint Maurice, who was

0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:17.359
<v Speaker 2>regularly featured on Crusader livery and was himself an Egyptian man,

0:42:17.680 --> 0:42:19.279
<v Speaker 2>right that, like even a lot of these things that

0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:21.640
<v Speaker 2>they're like, we were all white, like this, this beautiful

0:42:21.680 --> 0:42:24.160
<v Speaker 2>saint that the Crusader's march under mother father was born

0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:26.920
<v Speaker 2>in Egypt, Like that is simply an African man.

0:42:27.160 --> 0:42:30.120
<v Speaker 3>Like insid. I mean, I'm like, is this just like

0:42:30.480 --> 0:42:32.800
<v Speaker 3>a group of I mean, obviously just brain dead people,

0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:35.680
<v Speaker 3>But like I think about how many older movies and

0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:38.080
<v Speaker 3>then also movies I grew up on that essentially portray

0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:43.360
<v Speaker 3>Egyptian people as white or at best Italian looking.

0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:45.960
<v Speaker 2>It's in part because like they're in Yeah, I mean,

0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:48.400
<v Speaker 2>one one reality of it is that everyone in the

0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:53.200
<v Speaker 2>Mediterranean basin looks more Mediterranean than like they do anything else, right,

0:42:53.239 --> 0:42:55.200
<v Speaker 2>which you get right up to the like because there's

0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:58.120
<v Speaker 2>a lot of interchange between those cultures, right. And the

0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:00.960
<v Speaker 2>other thing is that at this period of time, whiteness

0:43:01.000 --> 0:43:03.160
<v Speaker 2>doesn't exist as a concept. Right, if you were to

0:43:03.239 --> 0:43:04.640
<v Speaker 2>go back, I think about it, go back to the

0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:06.480
<v Speaker 2>Roman Empire and tell them, like, this guy is not

0:43:06.520 --> 0:43:08.080
<v Speaker 2>as much of a person to you because of their

0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:09.600
<v Speaker 2>skin color. They'd be like, what are you talking about?

0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:11.520
<v Speaker 2>This guy's less of a person because he's not a

0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:14.240
<v Speaker 2>Roman like that what matters.

0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:17.480
<v Speaker 3>You're like, make no mistakes, is not a person to me,

0:43:17.560 --> 0:43:18.799
<v Speaker 3>but not for the reasons you've got.

0:43:18.880 --> 0:43:21.600
<v Speaker 2>For that reason, No, he's less human than me because

0:43:21.640 --> 0:43:23.440
<v Speaker 2>he was born in a different place.

0:43:23.800 --> 0:43:28.840
<v Speaker 3>It is fascinating watching, Yeah, just like how everything needs

0:43:28.880 --> 0:43:32.560
<v Speaker 3>to serve like his thesis and it really doesn't matter, just.

0:43:32.560 --> 0:43:35.040
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't None of it works out, And none of these

0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:37.480
<v Speaker 2>people actually know anything about the Crusades.

0:43:37.000 --> 0:43:40.439
<v Speaker 3>Right, And the problem is, yeah, like I'm glad that

0:43:40.520 --> 0:43:43.440
<v Speaker 3>there were like medieval scholars that like corrected the record,

0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:44.759
<v Speaker 3>but his followers don't care.

0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:47.160
<v Speaker 2>No, and it doesn't matter. I'm doing this in part

0:43:47.200 --> 0:43:49.680
<v Speaker 2>because like yeah, this is that's the kind of episode

0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:51.120
<v Speaker 2>that this is. Right when you go through this and

0:43:51.120 --> 0:43:52.719
<v Speaker 2>you're like, all right, what's accurate? What's not? But like

0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:55.960
<v Speaker 2>this doesn't like no one listening to this was like

0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:58.440
<v Speaker 2>coming in as a pete hegseth fan because of the

0:43:58.480 --> 0:44:00.319
<v Speaker 2>crusade stuff, and it's going to be like Mike, he

0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:02.600
<v Speaker 2>was wrong. Like that's just not the way any.

0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:05.600
<v Speaker 3>Changes everything for me. I wonder if there's one person. Yeah.

0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Now, I should also note here that because he uses

0:44:08.400 --> 0:44:10.560
<v Speaker 2>deis volt, he's got a tattooed on his body because

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:13.200
<v Speaker 2>he believes it was the rallying cry that crusaders marched

0:44:13.239 --> 0:44:16.439
<v Speaker 2>to war under during the First Crusade. This is very

0:44:16.560 --> 0:44:19.240
<v Speaker 2>likely to be untrue, right, This is actually the result

0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:23.200
<v Speaker 2>of propaganda that came later. Marburg historian George Strack has

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<v Speaker 2>pointed out to the Catholic News Agency that Pope Urban

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<v Speaker 2>the Second, who declared the First Crusade, never used the

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<v Speaker 2>phrase deis volt himself, and quote only one chronicle, that

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<v Speaker 2>of Robert the Monk, which was written around ten years

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<v Speaker 2>after the Pope's called a crusade at a synod in Clairemont, France,

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<v Speaker 2>quotes the exclamation at all Strak explained, the author was

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<v Speaker 2>aware from another chronicle that the Northern French crusaders used

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<v Speaker 2>deis volt as a war cry or a sign of

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<v Speaker 2>recognition among themselves. Robert's aim was to present the crusade

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<v Speaker 2>as a vine and papally led project, which is why

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<v Speaker 2>he claimed that Urban the second had heard the war

0:44:53.280 --> 0:44:56.239
<v Speaker 2>cry deis Vault and Claremont and approved of it. From

0:44:56.239 --> 0:44:59.000
<v Speaker 2>the historian's point of view, however, this is implausible. Even

0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Robert's medieval can temporaries would have placed little trust in

0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:04.279
<v Speaker 2>the chronicler. It was only under the humanists of the

0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:07.640
<v Speaker 2>fifteenth century that the monks rhetoric received favorable attention. Again,

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:10.480
<v Speaker 2>they found Robert's chronicle plausible, and so the war cried

0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:13.319
<v Speaker 2>dais Fold was quoted very frequently from then on, and

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<v Speaker 2>soon the other reports about Urban's call from Claremont were forgotten,

0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:20.240
<v Speaker 2>says Strack. So this is probably propaganda from the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>that there's not much evidence of at the time, that

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<v Speaker 2>no one would have taken very seriously at the time

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<v Speaker 2>that five hundred years later, like you know, chuds adopt

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen hundreds Chuds.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, never trust a Robert. That's what I've never.

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<v Speaker 2>Trust to Robert. That's that's war of history, of historiography,

0:45:37.760 --> 0:45:41.840
<v Speaker 2>speaking of things that spew only lies. Just one of

0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:45.279
<v Speaker 2>our sponsors, the other sponsors completely trustworthy. One of our

0:45:45.320 --> 0:45:48.520
<v Speaker 2>sponsors tells nothing but lies, and we won't tell you which.

0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:51.160
<v Speaker 2>You know who you are, You know who you are.

0:45:51.360 --> 0:45:54.959
<v Speaker 3>Place your bets. It's gonna be your fucking sports better yet.

0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:57.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, the sports betting people are honest. Right, you'll

0:45:57.920 --> 0:45:59.520
<v Speaker 2>go broke, But they're honest.

0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:01.759
<v Speaker 3>They're like, but you'll have a great time doing it.

0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:03.920
<v Speaker 2>You'll have a great time doing it. We'll really tickle

0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:08.000
<v Speaker 2>those dopamine receptors. We've made it as addictive as drugs.

0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:22.160
<v Speaker 2>H drugs. Jesus, Robert, what we're back. So for the

0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:24.320
<v Speaker 2>sake of morale, it might be good for us to

0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:26.920
<v Speaker 2>recall here that the Crusades were not successes in the

0:46:26.920 --> 0:46:30.279
<v Speaker 2>traditional military sense of the word. The First Crusade did

0:46:30.400 --> 0:46:33.680
<v Speaker 2>have some initial victories and resulted in temporary Christian control

0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:35.640
<v Speaker 2>of parts of the Holy Land, but this did not

0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:39.200
<v Speaker 2>last long. By eleven eighty seven, less than one hundred years,

0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:43.520
<v Speaker 2>the great general Saladin had surrounded Jerusalem. Right the long

0:46:43.600 --> 0:46:47.000
<v Speaker 2>train of disasters for organized Christian militaries during the crusades

0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:49.680
<v Speaker 2>led to a surgeon support from maniac cult leaders like

0:46:49.719 --> 0:46:52.600
<v Speaker 2>Peter the Hermit, who gathered an army of starving hermits

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<v Speaker 2>to march on the Holy Land. Andrew Curry writes quote

0:46:55.520 --> 0:46:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Peter's success was cited over and over again in the

0:46:57.880 --> 0:47:00.400
<v Speaker 2>years to come. The defeat suffered by better or organized

0:47:00.400 --> 0:47:02.520
<v Speaker 2>crusades led many to believe that it was the humble

0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:05.680
<v Speaker 2>who were destined to succeed, not the proud, rich military classes.

0:47:05.920 --> 0:47:08.719
<v Speaker 2>In the end, these people's crusades ended in disaster too.

0:47:09.080 --> 0:47:11.040
<v Speaker 2>None ever reached the Holy Land, and most of the

0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:13.520
<v Speaker 2>peasant crusaders were either slaughtered as they plundered their way

0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:16.840
<v Speaker 2>across Europe or disbanded before ever reaching a port. Without

0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:19.239
<v Speaker 2>the resources to reach the Holy Land, most turned on

0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:23.239
<v Speaker 2>more conventional targets, namely Europe's Jewish communities. Why are we

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<v Speaker 2>going to seek out our profanity and to take vengeance

0:47:25.520 --> 0:47:27.759
<v Speaker 2>on the ishmae lights for our Messiah when here are

0:47:27.840 --> 0:47:30.560
<v Speaker 2>the Jews who murdered and crucified him, was the rationale,

0:47:30.600 --> 0:47:34.520
<v Speaker 2>as recorded by a Jewish eyewitness. Again, most of the

0:47:35.120 --> 0:47:38.200
<v Speaker 2>a large chunk of the real crusaders, and even Crusade.

0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:41.000
<v Speaker 2>They just went and murdered juice right in Europe.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, okay, do we think yeah, Pete Hegseth knows

0:47:47.400 --> 0:47:51.560
<v Speaker 3>any of this. No, I don't think he really reads much,

0:47:52.239 --> 0:47:53.120
<v Speaker 3>genuinely curious.

0:47:53.160 --> 0:47:55.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it would matter. He would just wouldn't

0:47:55.120 --> 0:47:57.600
<v Speaker 2>trust any account you told him if it's different from

0:47:57.640 --> 0:47:58.760
<v Speaker 2>what he already believes.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, that's I mean, I didn't. I don't know this

0:48:02.160 --> 0:48:04.319
<v Speaker 3>about the Crusades. I'm not. I gotta say I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>a crusade's head.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the gist of it, and this is a quote

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<v Speaker 2>from medieval studies professor Matthew Gabriel, the Crusaders lost, they

0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:12.400
<v Speaker 2>lost everything.

0:48:15.800 --> 0:48:17.720
<v Speaker 3>An American crusade not a bad an idea.

0:48:17.800 --> 0:48:22.799
<v Speaker 2>Watch the documentary Kingdom of Heaven for more still holds

0:48:22.880 --> 0:48:26.840
<v Speaker 2>up banger of a film. So again, none of this

0:48:26.840 --> 0:48:28.920
<v Speaker 2>stuff works as a gotcha, Right, you're not going to

0:48:28.960 --> 0:48:31.560
<v Speaker 2>convince anyone to change their politics. But being like, actually

0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:36.600
<v Speaker 2>the Crusades sucked, right, But I do think it's valuable

0:48:36.600 --> 0:48:39.640
<v Speaker 2>to look at this history for our own like edification

0:48:40.160 --> 0:48:43.040
<v Speaker 2>is a reminder that this too shall pass, and that

0:48:43.120 --> 0:48:45.600
<v Speaker 2>these kinds of people never managed to win the way

0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:48.000
<v Speaker 2>they think they will in the long run because they

0:48:48.080 --> 0:48:51.040
<v Speaker 2>suck itt shit. But also the mere fact that they've

0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:53.080
<v Speaker 2>doomed themselves doesn't mean that they won't cause even more

0:48:53.080 --> 0:48:56.480
<v Speaker 2>suffering in their failures. Right. Those people's crusades were all disasters,

0:48:56.480 --> 0:49:01.560
<v Speaker 2>but a lot of Jewish communities suffered as a result. Right, anyway,

0:49:02.239 --> 0:49:05.279
<v Speaker 2>let's continue with Pete. He goes from the Crusades to

0:49:05.320 --> 0:49:08.440
<v Speaker 2>the American Revolution, probably the only periods in history that

0:49:08.480 --> 0:49:11.239
<v Speaker 2>he's taken a passing interest in. He notes that like

0:49:11.320 --> 0:49:14.520
<v Speaker 2>crusaders and patriots passed, the red maga hat is a

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<v Speaker 2>symbol for the need for violent action to secure liberty.

0:49:17.840 --> 0:49:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Only by going on offense against a left that surrounds them.

0:49:21.640 --> 0:49:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Conservatives survive. Now, the fact that this is written in

0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:28.200
<v Speaker 2>the run up to twenty twenty, and the fact that

0:49:28.200 --> 0:49:30.680
<v Speaker 2>that election went against them should say a few things

0:49:30.680 --> 0:49:32.799
<v Speaker 2>to you. Right. We know now this was not the

0:49:32.840 --> 0:49:35.400
<v Speaker 2>decisive or the last battle, but Hegseth writes as if

0:49:35.440 --> 0:49:38.080
<v Speaker 2>it was, and that the left would cause total annihilation

0:49:38.280 --> 0:49:41.120
<v Speaker 2>if they won in twenty twenty. He notes that while

0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:43.960
<v Speaker 2>there are millions of patriots, the country also houses hordes

0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:46.959
<v Speaker 2>of people who don't share their allegiance and that their

0:49:47.000 --> 0:49:52.880
<v Speaker 2>ignorance and ideologies threaten national survival. Okay, so yeah, again,

0:49:53.040 --> 0:49:56.239
<v Speaker 2>like the language here is very unsparing, and this is

0:49:56.280 --> 0:49:59.800
<v Speaker 2>how most of them think. You can't. Again, it's just

0:49:59.840 --> 0:50:03.040
<v Speaker 2>a important that Democrats understand you can't talk it out

0:50:03.080 --> 0:50:05.480
<v Speaker 2>with someone like this. They're not willing to talk to.

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<v Speaker 3>You, right, And I mean that's like they're that's their

0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:12.239
<v Speaker 3>whole thing. It is interesting anytime you hear I mean,

0:50:12.239 --> 0:50:15.560
<v Speaker 3>I guess you hear it basically every day now, but

0:50:16.400 --> 0:50:18.560
<v Speaker 3>over time, I think in the last ten years where

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<v Speaker 3>you just hear the US versus them in an increasingly

0:50:22.400 --> 0:50:25.600
<v Speaker 3>upward line. Did the point where he's just like straightforwardly

0:50:25.680 --> 0:50:29.560
<v Speaker 3>saying they're like, the people who agree with me are Americans? Yeah,

0:50:30.360 --> 0:50:33.680
<v Speaker 3>they don't, aren't. Yeah, yeah, which is like, I mean,

0:50:34.360 --> 0:50:36.319
<v Speaker 3>continued to Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So the next section of his book is about the

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<v Speaker 2>two Americas, which he describes as America and the Left,

0:50:43.080 --> 0:50:44.880
<v Speaker 2>and in order to highlight this, he gives us the

0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:49.920
<v Speaker 2>story of two different immigrants, both named Omar Samara. Omar

0:50:50.000 --> 0:50:52.640
<v Speaker 2>who is in Iraqi who fought with Hegzeth. He was

0:50:52.680 --> 0:50:55.680
<v Speaker 2>an interpreter after the US invasion and later immigrated to

0:50:55.719 --> 0:50:58.840
<v Speaker 2>the US legally. The other Omar is, of course illan Omar,

0:50:58.960 --> 0:51:00.680
<v Speaker 2>who he calls the Omar.

0:51:00.840 --> 0:51:02.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh, we're out of it.

0:51:03.000 --> 0:51:05.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, he's this is I mean, this is like

0:51:05.719 --> 0:51:10.520
<v Speaker 2>peak Illin Omar brainworms period twenty twenty. Not that it's

0:51:10.600 --> 0:51:11.200
<v Speaker 2>much less now.

0:51:11.480 --> 0:51:13.000
<v Speaker 3>I feel like it's still got worse.

0:51:13.080 --> 0:51:15.440
<v Speaker 2>It's still pretty bad. It's still bad. Like it's just

0:51:15.719 --> 0:51:19.440
<v Speaker 2>there's it's more of a topic of discussion. I guess, yeah, okay,

0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:20.759
<v Speaker 2>maybe just just this way.

0:51:21.880 --> 0:51:22.960
<v Speaker 3>Lord, it's nuts.

0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:25.839
<v Speaker 2>His attitude is the common one you'll see on the right,

0:51:26.000 --> 0:51:28.480
<v Speaker 2>that Illin was graciously led into this country and has

0:51:28.520 --> 0:51:30.359
<v Speaker 2>done nothing but spit in its face. I don't think

0:51:30.360 --> 0:51:32.120
<v Speaker 2>we really need to deal with this point, save to

0:51:32.239 --> 0:51:34.680
<v Speaker 2>note that even in the America of twenty twenty five,

0:51:35.080 --> 0:51:38.479
<v Speaker 2>even someone like Pete's you know, interpreter Omar, who fought

0:51:38.520 --> 0:51:42.920
<v Speaker 2>alongside US soldiers, aren't qualified to stay here. Earlier this year,

0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:45.680
<v Speaker 2>the United States revoked special status to Afghan people who

0:51:45.719 --> 0:51:49.000
<v Speaker 2>helped the United States and its war against the Taliban. PERMSNBC,

0:51:49.160 --> 0:51:51.480
<v Speaker 2>the Trump administration told them, quote that they've got to

0:51:51.520 --> 0:51:54.320
<v Speaker 2>self deport by May twentieth back to a Taliban controlled

0:51:54.320 --> 0:51:57.239
<v Speaker 2>Afghanistan if America can't honor its word to those who

0:51:57.320 --> 0:51:59.400
<v Speaker 2>bled for it. A retired US colonel told me, why

0:51:59.440 --> 0:52:02.440
<v Speaker 2>would anyone trust us? Again, this isn't just immigration policy.

0:52:02.480 --> 0:52:07.959
<v Speaker 2>It's a test of our moral credibility, and we're failing now, Jamie. Yes,

0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:10.759
<v Speaker 2>I've seen the US in enough war zones and talk

0:52:10.840 --> 0:52:13.359
<v Speaker 2>to enough people who believed in our promises to them

0:52:13.440 --> 0:52:16.120
<v Speaker 2>when they fought alongside us that I can say there's

0:52:16.120 --> 0:52:18.279
<v Speaker 2>no point in my lifetime or the lifetime of anyone

0:52:18.320 --> 0:52:21.000
<v Speaker 2>listening to the show in which we had moral credibility

0:52:21.120 --> 0:52:23.960
<v Speaker 2>or we're trustworthy friends. Right, It's like we're also recording

0:52:24.040 --> 0:52:25.920
<v Speaker 2>this period of time you're talking about.

0:52:25.880 --> 0:52:28.719
<v Speaker 3>We're also recording this at a time of where again,

0:52:28.920 --> 0:52:31.719
<v Speaker 3>like both of his examples are people who could just

0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:34.120
<v Speaker 3>get plucked off of the street and kidnapped by ice,

0:52:34.239 --> 0:52:36.440
<v Speaker 3>Like the citizenship has nothing to do with it.

0:52:36.600 --> 0:52:38.560
<v Speaker 2>Well, again, that's part of what's interesting about the timing

0:52:38.640 --> 0:52:40.879
<v Speaker 2>this comes in is that in twenty twenty as even

0:52:40.920 --> 0:52:42.880
<v Speaker 2>as like a Pete Haig Seth Republican, you still had

0:52:42.880 --> 0:52:45.600
<v Speaker 2>to pretend that you were like okay with multiculturalism as

0:52:45.640 --> 0:52:47.440
<v Speaker 2>long as they were pro American, Right that like, no,

0:52:47.880 --> 0:52:51.480
<v Speaker 2>this Iraqi interpretive. Mine is a great American. He's fully integrated. Right,

0:52:51.560 --> 0:52:53.440
<v Speaker 2>he gets to stay here because he did all the

0:52:53.560 --> 0:52:57.239
<v Speaker 2>right things and as soon as they got into power, like, oh,

0:52:57.280 --> 0:52:58.839
<v Speaker 2>actually no, we don't give a shit. All that matters

0:52:58.920 --> 0:53:01.080
<v Speaker 2>is your skin color, right, Like that's and that's the

0:53:01.160 --> 0:53:04.680
<v Speaker 2>reality right under the regime that has given Pete Hegseth power.

0:53:05.600 --> 0:53:07.840
<v Speaker 2>But he spends a lot of his book talking about

0:53:08.840 --> 0:53:11.520
<v Speaker 2>the Omar who fought with him, who he calls Texas

0:53:11.600 --> 0:53:15.360
<v Speaker 2>Omar now because he successfully immigrated to the and integrated

0:53:15.400 --> 0:53:19.120
<v Speaker 2>into the Houston suburbs. So we should talk a little

0:53:19.160 --> 0:53:22.919
<v Speaker 2>bit here about Pete Hegseth's wartime experiences in Samara, which

0:53:22.960 --> 0:53:24.440
<v Speaker 2>is less than about a hunt. I think it's like

0:53:24.480 --> 0:53:28.279
<v Speaker 2>eighty miles or something northwest of Baghdad. At age twenty six,

0:53:28.440 --> 0:53:30.839
<v Speaker 2>Pete was a lieutenant in the Army and National Guard

0:53:30.960 --> 0:53:33.560
<v Speaker 2>when he joined the one hundred and first third Brigade

0:53:33.640 --> 0:53:36.399
<v Speaker 2>Combat Team. He was deployed in two thousand and five.

0:53:37.239 --> 0:53:39.560
<v Speaker 2>Prior to this, heg Seth had experienced which you might

0:53:39.640 --> 0:53:42.520
<v Speaker 2>call an atypical Global War on Terror career. Again, he

0:53:42.640 --> 0:53:46.480
<v Speaker 2>graduated from Princeton, he'd started working at Bear Stearns, and

0:53:46.880 --> 0:53:48.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, the same time he'd got in a position

0:53:48.880 --> 0:53:51.759
<v Speaker 2>with the doomed finance company. He enlisted in the National Guard,

0:53:51.840 --> 0:53:53.759
<v Speaker 2>and he was first deployed after nine to eleven to

0:53:53.840 --> 0:53:57.040
<v Speaker 2>Guantanamo Bay, before coming back and working in finance for

0:53:57.120 --> 0:53:59.279
<v Speaker 2>a while and then volunteering to fight in Iraq, where

0:53:59.280 --> 0:54:02.200
<v Speaker 2>he became a tune leader. He seems to have served

0:54:02.280 --> 0:54:05.960
<v Speaker 2>like functionally, did the job reasonably. Well. There's not like shocking,

0:54:06.280 --> 0:54:08.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, shocking reports or anything on it. He was

0:54:08.640 --> 0:54:10.680
<v Speaker 2>kept away from liquor. Probably I s.

0:54:10.680 --> 0:54:12.759
<v Speaker 3>Wood to say. I was like, what, why did he

0:54:12.880 --> 0:54:14.319
<v Speaker 3>do that job competently?

0:54:14.480 --> 0:54:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Although he hadn't really kept drinking it started drinking heavily.

0:54:17.440 --> 0:54:20.719
<v Speaker 3>At this point, right, because that was after he got back.

0:54:20.880 --> 0:54:23.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, And there's a there's an interesting Washington Post article

0:54:23.320 --> 0:54:25.719
<v Speaker 2>that quotes one of his fellow officers who was active duty.

0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:27.120
<v Speaker 2>He was like, I was actually surprised to see a

0:54:27.200 --> 0:54:29.759
<v Speaker 2>National Guard guy doing the things heg Seth was doing.

0:54:29.880 --> 0:54:31.560
<v Speaker 2>And I just assumed that it was because he was

0:54:31.600 --> 0:54:33.960
<v Speaker 2>planning for a political career and thought a combat tour

0:54:34.000 --> 0:54:38.799
<v Speaker 2>would help. Right. Yeah, And you run into you if

0:54:38.800 --> 0:54:40.680
<v Speaker 2>you've known people who were in like If you know

0:54:40.800 --> 0:54:42.920
<v Speaker 2>enough military guys, they all have stories of like Yet

0:54:42.960 --> 0:54:45.440
<v Speaker 2>his guy was definitely doing it because he was trying

0:54:45.480 --> 0:54:47.359
<v Speaker 2>to like set up a career later down the line

0:54:47.400 --> 0:54:50.040
<v Speaker 2>and wanted, you know, a combat action badge or something.

0:54:50.400 --> 0:54:54.640
<v Speaker 3>It's like seeing an influencer at a volunteer event. I'm

0:54:54.680 --> 0:54:55.440
<v Speaker 3>sure interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to quote from the Post's article here.

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<v Speaker 2>Charlie Company, numbering about a hunt ThReD and forty men,

0:55:00.760 --> 0:55:03.600
<v Speaker 2>was considered the brigade's most aggressive unit, engaging threats with

0:55:03.640 --> 0:55:06.160
<v Speaker 2>a bravado that would later draw scrutiny from senior leaders,

0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:08.920
<v Speaker 2>said people familiar with the deployment. As recounted by The

0:55:09.000 --> 0:55:11.000
<v Speaker 2>New Yorker in two thousand and nine, Charlie Company was

0:55:11.080 --> 0:55:14.360
<v Speaker 2>nicknamed Kill Company and maintained a whiteboard listing confirmed kills,

0:55:14.400 --> 0:55:18.240
<v Speaker 2>including civilians, that each platoon had notched. The former officer,

0:55:18.320 --> 0:55:20.560
<v Speaker 2>who served in another company within the battalion said the

0:55:20.600 --> 0:55:23.560
<v Speaker 2>behavior exhibited by Hegsat's Infantry company was viewed as a

0:55:23.640 --> 0:55:26.440
<v Speaker 2>little bit strange by those on the outside. We joked

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes that they were on their own crusade down there.

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<v Speaker 3>Great stuff, okay, great stuff, good lord, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Now what's interesting is when The New Yorker reports in

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<v Speaker 2>this initially, Hegseth would claim that I actually complained about

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<v Speaker 2>how aggressive we were to our company commander and its

0:55:41.840 --> 0:55:44.520
<v Speaker 2>specifically that he complained about how they were ordered to

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<v Speaker 2>have their weapons ready when they were entering targeted buildings

0:55:47.360 --> 0:55:49.680
<v Speaker 2>because he believed that basically having fingers on the trigger

0:55:49.760 --> 0:55:53.040
<v Speaker 2>would lead to higher civilian casualties, and that after making

0:55:53.080 --> 0:55:55.279
<v Speaker 2>these complaints he was reassigned. I don't know how true

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<v Speaker 2>this is, right, I looved That's something he made up

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<v Speaker 2>when he thought it would sound better.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, right, When was that interview conducted.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like two thousand and nine that I knew.

0:56:03.880 --> 0:56:07.920
<v Speaker 3>I wonder how I yeah today, so he.

0:56:07.880 --> 0:56:10.600
<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't claim it at least, right, Yeah, But his old

0:56:10.719 --> 0:56:12.880
<v Speaker 2>unit remained in the field after he got transferred, and

0:56:12.960 --> 0:56:15.600
<v Speaker 2>as the insurgency hit a new peak of violence. They

0:56:15.600 --> 0:56:17.480
<v Speaker 2>wound up as part of a raid on an island

0:56:17.600 --> 0:56:19.920
<v Speaker 2>believed to be a training center for Abu Musabl's or

0:56:20.000 --> 0:56:23.120
<v Speaker 2>Kawi's Aqy or al Qaida in Iraq. This is like

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<v Speaker 2>the precursor organization to ISIS. A number of civilians are

0:56:26.960 --> 0:56:29.960
<v Speaker 2>massacred during this attack. The soldiers who killed them claim

0:56:30.000 --> 0:56:32.560
<v Speaker 2>initially that they're all military aged males, which is a

0:56:32.640 --> 0:56:35.480
<v Speaker 2>term for we shot some fucking teenager, but like, look,

0:56:35.560 --> 0:56:40.160
<v Speaker 2>he's pretty big. An army investigation revealed that the civilians

0:56:40.200 --> 0:56:43.200
<v Speaker 2>had been detained and executed well detained, and that the

0:56:43.320 --> 0:56:46.680
<v Speaker 2>killings had been covered up. Two soldiers ultimately pled guilty

0:56:46.719 --> 0:56:49.760
<v Speaker 2>to murder and related charges and received eighteen year sentences.

0:56:50.160 --> 0:56:52.560
<v Speaker 2>One soldier who testified was sentenced to nine months, and

0:56:52.600 --> 0:56:55.320
<v Speaker 2>another who didn't was convicted of negligent homicide, which was

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<v Speaker 2>overturned on appeal. Now there is speculation that heg Seth

0:56:59.000 --> 0:57:01.400
<v Speaker 2>has since seized upon the issue of US troops being

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<v Speaker 2>tried for war crimes. As a result of this, and

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<v Speaker 2>for the entirety of his time in the political spotlight,

0:57:06.760 --> 0:57:10.279
<v Speaker 2>he has since backed prosecuted soldiers, including war criminal Navy

0:57:10.360 --> 0:57:13.520
<v Speaker 2>Seal Eddie Gallagher, claiming the rules of war unfairly tie

0:57:13.600 --> 0:57:16.680
<v Speaker 2>the hands of men in the field. That Washington Post article,

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<v Speaker 2>which interviewed a number of his colleagues, ends on this note.

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<v Speaker 2>The former Army officer who served with Hegxeth in Iraq

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<v Speaker 2>said he believes he has latched onto populous scenarios in

0:57:25.040 --> 0:57:27.760
<v Speaker 2>a quest for personal gain. When news of Hegseth's potential

0:57:27.840 --> 0:57:30.440
<v Speaker 2>nomination emerged, old acquaintances from those days got back in

0:57:30.520 --> 0:57:33.280
<v Speaker 2>touch with one another, the former officer said. One text

0:57:33.320 --> 0:57:36.680
<v Speaker 2>he received especially stood out. All it said was WTF

0:57:36.880 --> 0:57:41.760
<v Speaker 2>question Mark, Yeah, stuff, all right, stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>It's everything that leads to horrific war crimes in the

0:57:48.040 --> 0:57:53.520
<v Speaker 3>modern age are deeply embarrassing, Like just really really lazy texting.

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<v Speaker 3>And also the fact that in between his stints in

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<v Speaker 3>the service that he found time time to work at

0:58:01.440 --> 0:58:04.360
<v Speaker 3>bear Stearns, he found a little bit of time to

0:58:05.440 --> 0:58:09.520
<v Speaker 3>the American economy. Like it's just it's you know, what

0:58:09.680 --> 0:58:13.400
<v Speaker 3>a what a multi high phenate really, yeah, I mean

0:58:13.480 --> 0:58:17.040
<v Speaker 3>this in your review, I mean this just seems like

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<v Speaker 3>he's slowly, you know, working behind the scenes to justify

0:58:21.720 --> 0:58:25.320
<v Speaker 3>civilian deaths so that he can ideally escalate to the job.

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<v Speaker 3>He is now killing civilians with no consequences for anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yep, so okay. The next chapter of this book,

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<v Speaker 2>he compares, spent several pages comparing different statements by Illin

0:58:38.800 --> 0:58:43.040
<v Speaker 2>Omar and his buddy Texas Omar in order to talk

0:58:43.080 --> 0:58:45.680
<v Speaker 2>about how much it Illin hates the United States. One

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<v Speaker 2>of his points is that his friend describes US helicopters

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<v Speaker 2>as looking like angels because at one point he was

0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:55.240
<v Speaker 2>under fire and he got rescued by a helicopter. And

0:58:55.400 --> 0:58:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Illin describes them as looking like the devil because she

0:58:57.960 --> 0:59:03.640
<v Speaker 2>was a civilian in Somalia and saw US helicopters kill civilians. Oh, like,

0:59:04.200 --> 0:59:06.760
<v Speaker 2>no civilians were killed by Americans in the Battle of

0:59:06.840 --> 0:59:10.040
<v Speaker 2>Mogadishu in nineteen ninety three, right, she describes as a

0:59:10.120 --> 0:59:13.920
<v Speaker 2>heroic defensive action by US forces, And the reality is uglier. Well,

0:59:13.920 --> 0:59:16.000
<v Speaker 2>we don't have perfect accounts for how many civilians died

0:59:16.040 --> 0:59:18.200
<v Speaker 2>in the fighting. It was between three hundred and seven

0:59:18.280 --> 0:59:20.360
<v Speaker 2>hundred people who died total, and at least two to

0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:24.200
<v Speaker 2>three hundred of those were civilians. Right, And I'll personally

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<v Speaker 2>note I have watched an Apache helicopter destroyed, like basically

0:59:29.000 --> 0:59:32.560
<v Speaker 2>murder an apartment building, and yeah, it looks like the devil.

0:59:32.880 --> 0:59:34.720
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever seen one of those things empty its

0:59:34.920 --> 0:59:38.240
<v Speaker 2>entire payload? It's a fucking nightmare. It's very cherry.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, objectively, I mean it's like, not only is it

0:59:41.640 --> 0:59:45.400
<v Speaker 3>obviously racist to have this like weird chart of two

0:59:45.520 --> 0:59:48.200
<v Speaker 3>people with the same last name, but like to just

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<v Speaker 3>present it with a total void of context. He just

0:59:51.040 --> 0:59:53.800
<v Speaker 3>like doesn't even understand how war works that you'd be

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<v Speaker 3>terrified of.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing not on your side that is very deadly.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we're killing people around you, Okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of those things like yeah, man, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>like I get it, if you're completely surrounded by the

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<v Speaker 2>enemy and then a chopper comes in and blows them

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<v Speaker 2>all away, you'd be like that thing ripped. That think's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>But people have just had experiences with helicopters, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like depending on whether or not they're being shot at

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<v Speaker 2>by them.

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<v Speaker 3>Not to come down too hard on the other, Omar,

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<v Speaker 3>but like weird to call a helicopter at angel as

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<v Speaker 3>it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean, and I don't know. Again, we

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<v Speaker 2>don't actually ever get to talk with that Omar. I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't found any articles interviewing him. He doesn't like I've

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<v Speaker 2>googled around trying to find anyone who talked to this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>We only have Pete's recollection of him.

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<v Speaker 3>How much do you want to met he bet he

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<v Speaker 3>made up a guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. He certainly if he's real, there's no

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<v Speaker 2>way he's going to talk out and like correct the record.

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<v Speaker 2>If Pete digit because then they'll get.

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<v Speaker 3>Deported, right, yeah, stays far away from.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know. I don't And the important part

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<v Speaker 2>is that Pete does not bring in this Omar as

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<v Speaker 2>a real person with a real story. He brings him

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<v Speaker 2>in as a foil to his created image of a

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<v Speaker 2>social justice warrior who never had to fight for anything. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Such people, he argues, take advantage of fifty to fifty

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<v Speaker 2>Americans who lack grittiness and historical perspective. He describes these people,

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<v Speaker 2>So you've got the evil leftists and they take advantage

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<v Speaker 2>of these kind of like milk toast fifty to fifty

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<v Speaker 2>Americans who call squishies right for their lack of rulingness.

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<v Speaker 2>Does they call them Squishyes, because they're not willing to

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<v Speaker 2>fight because they're not racist and violent, right, Like, they're

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<v Speaker 2>too squishy, they're too they're not willing to kill the

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<v Speaker 2>left right, they think we can coexist.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's him talking about like conservatives who are not like

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<v Speaker 2>outright fascists, right that those are the squishies. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's cool, it's good stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Sorry, apologies to the squishies. I love you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, squishies. Yeah, great stuff. And it's interesting, you know

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<v Speaker 2>the thing he's trying to do here, because he has

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<v Speaker 2>a whole bit in this about how like the people

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<v Speaker 2>don't like to see themselves as political and that's a

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<v Speaker 2>problem because like we're in a political war. His whole

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<v Speaker 2>thing is he's trying he has to convince these people that, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to become political in order to embrace the

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<v Speaker 2>politics of defensive annihilation against the left. Right, and the

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<v Speaker 2>left is everything but Trump, you know, Like that's what

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<v Speaker 2>he's trying to convince these these like moderate Republicans to do. Quote.

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<v Speaker 2>For me, awakening has been a progression over many years,

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<v Speaker 2>informed by multiple iterations of learning and mostly failure. First

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<v Speaker 2>I had to get informed. Then I denied the magnitude

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<v Speaker 2>of the leftist problem. Next, being idealistic, even new to

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<v Speaker 2>the political arena, I played within the confines of the

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<v Speaker 2>status quo. Now, as I have some worldly success in

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<v Speaker 2>a large family, protecting my nest is tempting, I understand

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<v Speaker 2>what is required of one hundred percent American. The sacrifice,

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<v Speaker 2>the struggle, the uncertainty, like the uncertainty of stealing from

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<v Speaker 2>two different veterans organizations to get drunk, yes, the uncertainty

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<v Speaker 2>of playing grab ass with all your secretaries, yes, sacrifice.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, separating your employees by party and not party there. Look,

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<v Speaker 3>these are the things ultimately that are going to protect Gunner.

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<v Speaker 3>Heg seth.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. These are who's finally finally Yes, Okay, we in

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<v Speaker 2>the introduction the first chapter with a call to arms

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<v Speaker 2>and follow it chapter that's chapter one, baby, and we

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<v Speaker 2>follow it with two more quotes. These are both from

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump, and I find them funnier than I should.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote one, You're a sleez candidate Donald Trump to a

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<v Speaker 2>reporter from ABC News twenty sixteen. You're a warrior, Pete,

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<v Speaker 2>A fucking warrior, President Donald Trump, November twenty nineteen. What

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<v Speaker 2>are those Why are those together? Why is it like?

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<v Speaker 2>Why are you contracted? It's just contrasting him shit, talking

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<v Speaker 2>ABC to him, saying nice things to him.

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<v Speaker 3>He's telling a story.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, wow, okay, Pete, we're all very impressed.

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<v Speaker 3>As warrior is to me a smiley face.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so funny. It's so funny. Yeah. Yeah, it's good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, well we'll we'll talk about the next chapter.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think it's probably time to end Part one

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie Coftus. Yeah, yeah, Donna plug anything.

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